I love this line. It feels so realistic. Whenever I see this cutscene, I feel somehow happy for being alive. Because life is not meaningless if you can find such touchable line in game.
I think Silent Hill shows you what you're hiding. The town itself isn't "evil," all the "evil" is what you bring with you. It also makes this scene so chilling because everyone sees Silent Hill differently. Harry and Henry see the worlds of dangerous people, whereas James, Heather, and Murphy see their own insecurities and shame. The fact that James is able to see what Angela's Silent Hill is means that he's on the same emotional wavelength as she is, which is some daunting foreshadowing if you get the suicide ending.
When she said "For me...It's always like this," I sat, speechless, for about 5 minutes. To me, she basically said that her entire life is a terrible burning hell. Chills ran down my spine because of this scene.
I like how she asks James if he could “save her, “ and not just give her advice or help her like he did, but actually take her pain away. James just looks down, realizing he couldn’t save Maria, Mary, or even himself in regret
It's intense how the camera changes into a POV kind of perspective, as if she's asking YOU, the player, but you're constrained by the shackles of dimensions and what the game allows you to do, so you can only hang your head, James' head, in shame as there is nothing you can do about that.
@@LaBerengenaAtomica god that's the worst(by worst I mean best) part. I want to help Angela I really do, but I realize I'd only be proving her point. So many people don't understand trauma and think they can just melt it away with love and care, and the victim in question will always be soft and submissive
@@shadowboy2818 I don't think it's james exclusively who can't help her many of us can feel pity for a person like that and want to help them but can we really love them as equals? I don't mean we don't feel pity because we do but something deep in the back of our minds wouldn't actually allow us to do something more than that we might try to help them from an outsiders point but in the end we wouldn't really love them. Not that I am saying a person who would love a person like angela doesn't exist but I am sure it's harder to help and love a person who is so broken even if you feel pity for them and if they realise you do it just to pity them it would be way worse(just like the way angela asks james to not pity her)
The opening lines come off a little stilted because the lines were recorded separately and later patched together. It's a wonder that it ends as powerfully as it does. This scene could have been even stronger if Donna and I been given the chance to play it together.
I never even noticed or would’ve known. I still can’t even believe that because of the grotesquely somber imagery, audio, symbolism and dialogue the scene has that the atmosphere writes itself anyway.
1:23 I'm surprised no one is talking about this. It switches to James' POV because Angela is now addressing the player directly. By this point we've all figured out what happened to her and she's telling us not to pity her while also mocking our desire to help her heal. We'd all like to imagine that we'd do things differently if we were the main character and this segment is here to remind us that we don't know what the hell we're talking about and that we're most likely full of crap despite our best intentions. It's a very subtle fourth wall break, one that I've only recently noticed after multiple playthroughs.
I agree. That's why nowadays I hate it when people say things like "if I were you/him/her/them, I'd do this/that etc etc." I'm not saying people don't mean well but you don't necessarily know what you would do if you were put in anybody's shoes, because you are not them. I think James and Angela don't wish each other harm. But deep down they know that they are in no position to help one another because they never really showed mutual empathy, and it's too late to start. And why would they? James didn't get called to town to save Angela; he is there to come to terms with his sins. Angela is there to face her troubled past and get a chance to overcome it; but she decides she is not strong enough and chooses death instead. It's not their responsibility to save each other.
@@ivnightclaw8663 Thanks for the kind words. This may be tl;tr, but I do believe that, while James isn't responsible for helping Angela and Eddie's journey of self discovery, it seems like the town is still using the other characters to possibly influence James' outcome, depending on the players action (and vice versa, though this all depends whether or not you believe the other characters are real). Eddie has decided that using murder is the best way to get the things he wants (mainly respect), and Silent Hill seems to use Eddie to tempt James into thinking the same. Almost like the town is subconsciously trying to tell James "it's OK, Mary was dying anyway, and she was a bitch to you, she had it coming!" And if you get the Maria ending, in a loose way, James agrees with Eddie. Same with Angela. Angela has decided she deserved what happened and will join her family in death, because she doesn't have the strength to keep living. It seems that Silent Hill is presenting the notion to James that he too, may not deserve to live, and suicide is an option he can take as an atonement. Although James can overcome these desires, depending on the players actions, of course. I read recently that in a way, James acts like Eddie's own Pyramid Head. Unlike James for most of the game, Eddie is very self aware of what he did and realizes a lot sooner as to why he was called to SH in the first place. However, Eddie doesn't get that while he was a victim, he became a monster by choice by shooting the dog, wounding his bully, and vowing to kill people who disrespect him in anyway (and I believe that, had Eddie lived, he would probably just kill totally uninvolved people too, he's too unhinged). SH uses James as an example to Eddie that, unless he totally faces up to his actions, he will live and die by the sword, which he ultimately does. Deep down I think James knows why he is in SH and wants punishment, but a part of him probably wants to skate on through for what he did. That is why Pyramid Head stalks him and kills Maria repeatedly. That's why clues are scattered about town that he killed his wife, yet he just doesn't get it until the hotel part. That's why it seems like he's suppressing his memories on the surface, but makes comments that indicate he knows what's going on ("Mary, did you really die three years ago? Are you really in this town, or is this your way of taking?").
@@billymarino4452 thank you very much for this very interesting to read i think James could have definitely been used as Eddies own pyramid head and when replaying and seeing cut scenes i het the feeling that James knows what he had done at least subconsciously and that subconscious ness takes over for some small instances but mostly he has blocked away what he had done i find it interesting that Eddie and especially Angela learn what has happened to them quite quickly it could be because they had been there longer than James as we see Eddie next to Laura in the intro and Angela was probably not there that much longer than James or maybe she was because she had been to town before the graveyard. I forgot to put punctuations sorry
I believe Angela was planning on killing her mother, just as she had killed her father and brother by burning down a house with them in it. Then she was going to kill herself in the very end, which is why she says "Now I can finally rest." when she thinks she has finally found her. I also think her mother blamed Angela for all the abuse she received from her father, I think this because she says "Even mama said it. I deserved what happened." People sympathize with her character so much because she's the epitome of victimization. The physical abuse of her father only matched by the mental abuse from her mother. Since Silent Hill feeds off guilt and other emotions, someone unstable as Angela.. her world must have been 10 times worse than anything James could have went through. I think she always sees fire because of the guilt she feels for burning down the house, constant flames that follow her around as a constant reminder of her sin. She finally ascends the staircase, ready to accept her fate. To burn in flames just as her brother and father did. To me, Angela's character is one of the most heart-wrenching concepts that I've ever seen.
Definitely. When you first encounter her in the graveyard, she says her father and brother should be in Silent Hill - and later we kill the monster that she saw as her father. Just as James had to watch Maria killed over and over again so that he could finally come to terms with what happened with Mary, it looks like the same thing was happening with Angela - the way she says "You're the only one left" suggests she killed some representation of her brother offscreen. But just like James "The Oppressor" (remember the prison?) stops Eddie from healing by killing him, he also dooms Angela by stopping her from reliving her father's death ("Thank you for saving me, but I wish you hadn't"). There's a bunch to Angela's character and story that the game sort of fast-forwards though. When the HD collection was first announced and people still had high hopes for it, I was really hoping we'd get an Angela subscenario in the vein of Born From A Wish.
Skythikon Hmm. If James is able to leave Silent Hill, that suggests that technically Angela or Eddie could have done so as well. It sounds tragically romantic to imagine Angela going up the stairs to burn forever with the corpse of the father and brother. But they aren't actually her father and brother. They are just representations. Unless she has three separate endings like James does as well. If she isn't dead already, eventually she will have to get on with her life. Seeing as she doesn't seem quite as pursued by monsters like James is, besides the obvious ones, what is she going to do, just lie there forever in the heat of the mental representation of her house burning? Silent Hill doesn't seem to be an ending. It seems more therapeutic especially as people have to face their fears and come to terms with what they did. of course it's very dangerous and you can end up dead like poor Eddie. or the person in the prison that eddie killed. I also wish she would have got a subscenario. all three, Eddie, Angela and Laura. It's funny how she never meets Laura. Even Eddie comes into contact with Laura, and she doesn't see him as a monster or anything. Perhaps another character going through Silent Hill would have met James endlessly going on about his wife.
I agree, although if the newspaper clipping in the labyrinth is anything to go by, she stabbed her father to death and kept the knife-that is, until she gave it to James.
that is right. She also has probably castrated her father while stabbing him to death. Masahiro Ito confirmed on Twitter that the frames on the staircase walls are both her father and brother, covered by human flesh sheets, with a bleeding crotch.
"Or maybe... you think you can save me? Will you love me? Take care of me? Heal all my pain? That's what I thought." That line means a lot to me. Some people have such strong savior complexes they think they can magically fix a depressed traumatized person. They mean well, but they don't realize it's not that simple. I've met plenty of them. And the line "For me, it's always like this." Chills. Every time. Another line that gets me is, "It's hot as hell in here." THE ENTIRE ROOM IS IN FLAMES, JAMES.
Each of the characters live their own hell. James' interpretation of the town is depressive and full of creatures that are a reflection of, mostly, his frustrated sexual needs and guilty in relation to Mary's sickness and subsequent death. Angela sees creatures too which she mentions in the beginning of the game, but they're probably different plus the hell she is in is not depressive but hellish like depicted here. The fat guy (sorry I forgot his name) sees the town the way it is when you fight him: cold like a freezer and full of animal bodies hanging around. If we played the whole game as Angela there'd be fire everywhere and the same concept goes for the fat guy.
I almost always cry when I watch this scene. It is so intense and powerful because it depicts the real life sitution and the horrors the victims of sexual abuse must feel all the time.
I hope that people who suffer in general can find some better place after their death. And be given the choice to not reincarnate if they don't want.I tend to be obsessed with death due to my OCDS and depression, as well as losing people I love in brutal circumstances, and most of people don't understand that if they have not lived it.I don't want to live until 80 years.
@@joueuravise2611 There is no guarantee for anything after death. People should not give up on finding a better place in life because they were driven into suicide from foolish ideas of an afterlife.
I allways feel like are descriptions of the afterlife are mere metaphors for somthing are human minds carnt comprehend on both extremes of the argument for and against
It's ''Even mama said it. I deserved what happened.'' for me. Victims of sexual abuse often deal with feelings of guilt over ''the part they take'' in their own abuse. Predators and sexual abusers tend to have a MO that includes shaming the victim for the abuse they're being inflcited upon, which is why a lot of people, like Angela, feel worthless and end up being promiscuous (as in ''my body is worth nothing'') or straight up killing themselves. It's a shitshow of a situation. Especially with the mother blaming the victim. You have no idea how fucking often you see spouses of sexual abusers/rapists protecting their shithead of a husband and even taking it out on the victim (often their own daughter/niece/etc.) via jealousy and victimizing them even further. That's why it's heartbreaking to see. All of Angela's family were a bunch of shitstain excuses for humans that belong in worse places than Silent Hill.
@@LaBerengenaAtomica Yeah. It always bothered me that we don’t really get any closure on this. We never see Angela again after this scene, so we never really know for sure what happened to her.
2:34 - I will forever go back to this line as an example of video games being able to do subtlety. The meaning of the sentence changes depending on which of the four words you emphasise: " *I'd* never kill myself" but I know people who would. "I'd *never* kill myself" I have too much to live for. "I'd never *kill* myself" but I have no problem with self harm And then there's the line read we get: "I'd never kill *myself* " but I am, on some level, aware I have killed others. It's brilliant and subtle and if you aren't paying attention you'd miss it like so many other things in this game, and I love it.
@bob to add on, I think it's off because at this point James is broken by the town, Mary and Angela. Angela crushes him in this scene to the point even in his defense his words hold no ground. She's dominant here and prove James' wrong with her "will you love me" line. If Angela had grabbed the knife from him in this scene, I don't think he'd stop her
I’ve hung on that line for near 20 years for that very reason (near bc I was only 7 when the game was released so I prob didn’t play it then) bc it’s a huge moment in James’ psyche. It actually subconsciously lays bare the selfish reasons that he killed Mary, as well as his the lack of consciousness for Eddie’s life. It shows that despite the fact that James is capable of being a good man, he is still a very concerning individual, a selfish and cold man, who is primarily concerned with his own life. Brilliantly done with just the emphasis on one word.
@J Slough you must have Depression to unterstand this.. You can have all you want everything still your bodys Switches of Pain every bone hurts, permanent Headache, always tired you want to do something but you cannot Every one around you is pissed and sad why cant you be happy I have a wife three kids every day is a battle for me I need all my power to get up in the morning and to act normal in work and family it is brutal.. To clean up i work 10 minutes Rest 10 minutes and so on because iam tired
@J Slough telling people with money and responsibilities to "suck it up" and don't be sad instead of showing comprehension and helping them to seek professional help is exactly the reason why male suicide rates are so high You aren't helping anyone this way Show some compassion for once in your lifetime
@@JohnSmith-294 no one knows the black hole named Depression that eats you slow alive till it bites you... All this jokes Pussy, lame donkey, loser.. All day while you try to stay up Depression means no feelings just empty... Inside you Money cars fame nothing fits into this place And how harder you fight the faster it takes you down
My two favorites are still in The Last of Us. The one where Ellie gets upset at Joel for wanting to leave her with Tommy and the one where Ellie is about to be killed by David and Joel comes in a saves her.
If this is the kind of thing you’re looking for in a game, might I suggest Heavy Rain? Easily the most heart-wrenching gaming experience I’ve ever had. I cried so many times.
@@ALocalClown Either you have terrible taste, or you’re a troll trying to get a rise out of people by hating on a good game because you’ve got nothing better to do. Either way, please see yourself out because I don’t have the patience to put up with you.
This hit me mostly because she hit the 4th wall and asked if I could save her but I knew I couldn't because the fire was there for her and not me. She walked off into the darkness because she gave into Silent Hill. I really wanted to save her :(
It's been 14 years since I played Silent Hill 2 for the first time, and for 14 years I have felt really sad for not being able to save Angela. This scene hits me right in my heart every time I see it. Somewhere inside my mind I keep imagining that she finally found peace sometime after this beautiful but yet heartbreaking scene was over. I'm sorry Angela, no one deserve what you went through.
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@@MathiasBelmont1 May God (Allah) guide everyone astray. Whoever searches the books knows very well that the Trinity, divinity, and humanity are not present in them, and there is no mention of them or of Christ’s confession that he is God, God forbid. They are all interpretations of priests, as if God needs explanations for the basis of his divinity. In all religions there are differences, but the origin is clear with regard to God, except for Christianity. God. There are throughout history conflicts over his divinity and identity. Christ himself was calling on God and asking Him like any human being. God guided everyone to His unity and satisfaction Whoever searches for answers to doubts about Islam will find them, but most people want what their priests allow
This is the most beautiful game... The soundtrack, the history...everything. The music makes me think though. I wish games still had beautiful parts in them, strong characters, and amazing soundtracks, so lets take the time and thank Team Silent, shall we?
+John “Soap” McTavish thank you, Team Silent. There will never be another game like this. I replay SH2 once a year just to reach this cutscene. It's cleansing and humbling.
Tyler Leon I do too,this scene is so sad and I love the music and the whole atmosphere the best part is that the story is scary but very beautiful, don't you think?
itachixg Not true. If he survived, it's very unlikely he'd come back to his father and his old life after what he did. It would be simply impossible and he'd have some serious explaining to do. In Leave, he adopts Laura and starts a new life someplace else. If you get In Water, Laura really has no place to go and her story has no conclusion. It was Mary's dying wish for James to adopt her, so I think it's a great conclusion to Laura's story instead of, well, nothing. And having overcome his inner demons, he can become a better person and live in peace.
@@VergilHiltsLT he adopted without his identification? This never could happen... And douglas, the detective from silent hill 3 says that he try to find a person on silent hill but never found it, it seems like he talk about james... As someone here already said, james father never saw him again, he disappeared with mary.
2:46 before James says, "It's hot as hell in here", he raises his right hand to his face. When the scene's camera angle is hacked, James is shown apparently wiping his eye. While it may be interpreted as James fidgeting; having something in his eye; or wiping sweat off of his brow from the heat, it is also possible that James may be weeping for Angela and wiping a tear away
What I see now with this scene is the key to her pain: "Even momma said it: I deserve what happened." Thats what was truly traumatic about this scene. If our parents who are supposed to be the one who nurtures and loves us tells us we deserve bad things to happen? That cuts deep.
Parents who blame children for being abused like what happened to Angela, should be placed in Silent Hill to be forever tormented for their sickly actions
You know, the remake scene is pretty cool, but i preffer this version for some reasons. 1. Angela here is way more provocative with her dialogues, wich makes her feel angrier and more genuine with her hatred 2. James denying that he would never take his life was a really good dialogue that sadly was not included, not only because makes it clear that's the purpose of the knfe, but because it relates to the in water ending.
there's something about the first person camera when she says "do you think you can take care of me? Heal all my pain?", that's definitely a choice missing from the remake
How the hell can the HD version screw up the looping of the music. IT LITERALLY MADE THIS SCENE WHAT IT IS. And they screwed it up by stopping it mid scene and replaying it. Unbelievable jackasses.
@@treadmill1383 Yeah, I know. Konami didn’t care enough about the project to give the devs a decent build of the game to work off of, and this is the result.
The first person perspective during the ''you cant save me'' part is a DIRECT kick to the nuts from the game to the player, makes it feel so real and personal
The most heartbreaking moment in this scene is the part where you finally take control of James, yet you can't progress up the stairs at all because of the fire. And the only thing that keeps you in the room is the silhouette of Angela still crawling upwards even after the cutscene, forcing you to stay and watch until her figure eventually dissolves into the fire. It was absolutely painful to watch.
its insane how one moment she can sound so childlike how an actual 19 year old girl would sound (when she thinks james is her mother) and then when she realises hes not she sounds mature way beyond her years
Wow. I'm just now getting around to playing the Silent Hill games, and I just saw this cutscene last night. The line "You see it too?... For me, it's always like this." left me so emotionally winded I just sat, stunned, in silence for 5 minutes processing what I just saw. Easily my favorite cutscene in the whole game, but, I haven't seen any of the cutscenes after this one yet. I really can't express enough how stunned I was by that line. It was so beautifully delivered by the voice actor.
thiefswiller It means that Angela is constantly surrounded by flames. Silent Hill messes with the psyche of whoever is in the town. So in Angela's case, she's constantly surrounded by fire, possibly because of her guilt from burning her family members alive. The reason this scene is so powerful is because now her anxiety is so intense that now even James can "see it too." Easily the best scene I've ever seen all round. Amazingly written, and the ambience is impeccable. Hopefully I've answered your question.
Icantdothatrightnow What caught me off guard is how Angela, sarcastically, asks James for help. His response is a silence no. It surprises me that people really want to help but cannot physically help the other person; this scene really deconstructs lip service, or likes in Facebook.
thiefswiller It means that she is constantly in a state of burning, of death. In other words, she is suffering and dying inside. Life is too much to bear for her.
This scene is one of the main reasons I love Silent Hill 2. It was dark, it didn't play around, it gave you the twisted truth. Angela was broken and you can see it in her janky face animations and hear it in her words. Chills. Every time
This scene is amazing in so many ways, but lately something has been digging at me with it. When Angela says "for me, it's always like this" implies that the entire time we have been playing the game, the entire area for Angela may have been on fire. When she's laying on the floor with the knife and James finds her, she's actually laying in the fire. The issue is that we only cross into Angela's silent hill during this staircase scene, which is why she mistakes James as her mom- he visibly was for a moment until both realities merge.
"No... don't pity me. I'm not worth it... Or maybe... you think you can save me. Will you love me...? Take care of me...? Heal all my pain...? Hmph... That's what I thought." So much sense in just one phrase. It's not hard to pity someone, in the same time so frequently we're not able to take care of another people. You can say "No, that's wrong", but it's almost nothing in compare of sharing true love. And that indifference is the most terrible evil that human being can ever do.
I feel this moreso because there is a girl who I know that I grew up with that rejected me and all I want to do is be there for her and support her she's been through some bad things not sexual abuse as far as I know she could have been she really could have been.
But man...she said it to James. Who already did all this before...and failed. Couldn't love Mary. Or take care of her. Heal her of her disease. It's a beautifully macabre way of saying that James is the least qualified to even begin to help Angela.
@@Darkmage1293 Yes, but James at least attempted taking care of Mary, and Angela said all this like James wouldn't ever try at all to really take care of Angela (she was right, besides). Besides, as far as I remember, Angela don't necessarily know about James' relationship with Mary, maybe Laura told her, but we don't know that for sure.
@@Darkmage1293 Yeah, you're so right - in the moment of playing this I tend to forget this. We act as if we were truly James, but we're really really not.
I never knew that! Sounds like the same singer for this one song in particular in Death Stranding. Haven’t finished the game yet so no spoilers please, but it’s this one featured in the announcement for the PC port that plays when they show it starring Norman Reedus & Mass Mikkelsen. The trailer itself is less than a minute long.
This is hands down the best cut scene in the entire game and that is saying a lot! This scene is so raw and emotional, it really hits you hard when you watch it.
it's sad that Angela ends up suffering a worse fate than James, considering how she has far fewer reasons to feel guilty than he does, but that's what makes this game's idea of Silent Hill far more impactful: Silent Hill is hell, but not the Christian idea of hell where it's a place designed to punish those deemed guilty by God; it's a special self-manifested hell designed to punish those who deem themselves guilty, and that is far more terrifying because it's so real
May God (Allah) guide everyone astray. Whoever searches the books knows very well that the Trinity, divinity, and humanity are not present in them, and there is no mention of them or of Christ’s confession that he is God, God forbid. They are all interpretations of priests, as if God needs explanations for the basis of his divinity. In all religions there are differences, but the origin is clear with regard to God, except for Christianity. God. There are throughout history conflicts over his divinity and identity. Christ himself was calling on God and asking Him like any human being. God guided everyone to His unity and satisfaction Whoever searches for answers to doubts about Islam will find them, but most people want what their priests allow
@@amany247 Muhammad was as much of a fraud as Christ was lmao (you're not going to convert anyone with your lazy couch-proselytizing. i'd be way more inclined to listen if you were screaming on a street corner, foam flecking your mouth and an unhinged look in your eye. shows conviction.)
@@amany247I see my country and I see yours. I see what we invented and what you destroy. One society certainly is a lot more "blessed" than the other. Better art, better creations, better inventions that help and save mankind and you import these very ideas and inventions gladly regardless of your demonization of it. Your society is incapable just like the other Abrahamic religion. Honestly, I'm not even making a religious argument, at this point.
I see my country and I see yours. I see what we invented and what you destroy. One society certainly is a lot more "blessed" than the other. Better art, better creations, better inventions that help and save mankind and you import these very ideas and inventions gladly regardless of your demonization of it. Only destroy. Just like that other Abrahamic religion. Honestly, I'm not even making a religious argument, at this point.
@@ulquiorraschiffer1956 which is not fiction I have encountered. Could you stop trying to tell me I'm wrong when I write about what I think on things I have experienced?
"No, I...I won't" Single greatest line uttered by James, Guy delivered it perfectly. It really nailed home to me just how broken James really was and yet he still, somehow, refuses to give in to Angela's desire for self-punishment. Powerful, powerful emotion that bled through and I can't commend Guy enough on that.
Its been 10 years since I first played this game, and I've always found myself coming back to this scene. I'm still blown away by how masterfully done it is. The burning building is such a great metaphor for how trauma from years of abuse feels, and It's like getting stabbed in the heart every tim she says, "For me, it's always like this."
i was almost convinced to buy the remake after seeing its reception, then i watched how they did this scene. nah i'm good. this game didn't need remaking.
@@rpemulisBasing wether or not you play the remake based on one scene is a little sad and silly tbh. Trust me I was Bloobers #1 hater and while I agree i think this specific scene is done better in the original, theres so much that the remake does just as well (if not better in some cases like the boss fights). Both have merit and there is so much to love about both of these interpretations. Even the creators of the original SH2 have been very vocal about their approval of the remake.
@@AzureShrike i'm glad people like it. i'm glad the SH2 creators like it. i do think that rocks. imo this is the most important scene in the game, its my favorite at least. to get me to want to devote 17 hours and 70$ to a remake of what i would consider an already perfect game, they really need to be doing something incredibly special. this scene in the remake made me feel nothing at all. if they remade 4, or 1 even, i'd definitely check it out. those games have a TON of unrealized potential.
The way I see it is this game is about guilt. Eddie feels no guilt at all and thinks his actions are justified, James just doesn't want to face up to his guilt and Angela has misplaced guilt (she believes she deserved what happened to her).
Eddie was abused just for the way he looked which driven him despaired and emotionally devestaded. Eddie like Angela believes he somehow deserved it and sides with his oppressors. He and James do feel heavy guilt but have build lies to cope, James overcomes it and faces the truth but Eddie is driven insane by justifying that which he knows is dispicable. He is a victim and deserving of pity.
“ that’s what I thought “ That line goes to show the impotence that one can feel knowing that we simply will not receive what we yearn for from those who with words try to help or show sympathy. Angela knows that neither James nor anyone will be able to heal her no matter how much James wants or anyone wants really.
I played this game YEARS ago in 2001 when it first came out...This part always stuck with me and made me tear up when I was a kid. Even now it still gives me chills... Angela's story is so sad.. and Jame's isnt much better.. To me this game is better than any silent hill that came after it and those god awful movies.
"Even Mama said it...I *deserved* what happened..." That part breaks my heart every damn time. It wasn't enough that Angela endured years of physical and s*xual abuse at the hands of her father and brother, she was psychologically abused by her mother who convinced her that she somehow was deserving of the abuse. To me, that's almost as evil as committing the abuse yourself; trying to convince a victim (especially a child victim) that they somehow drove their abuser to do what they did is just vile. Angela's mother was a total monster too but she still loved her even though her mother never loved her. Good lord, Angela deserved so much better. I often forget that she's just a fictional character but then I'm shattered by the realization that there's a lot of Angelas in the real world too. Also, while James may not be the greatest guy and definitely has his issues, I'm glad he tells her, "No, Angela! That's wrong!" For all his faults and even after she brutally insulted him prior to this, he still wanted her to know she didn't deserve what happened to her. That's what I love about this game, the characters have such an amazing complexity to them.
i think angela gaslights herself. in reality after she dealt with her father and brother she went too far and dealt with her innocent mom as well and then she just gaslit herself into thinking that her mom insulted her and just ran away. thats why sh tries to punish her.
@@muslimayupov "Innocent"? Didn't you hear what Angela told James? Her mother was fucking complicit to the abuse, she let it happen and even spitefully blamed Angela of having "provoked" this. What makes you think that she just made that up? In case you have lived in ignorance the whole time, there are sadly way too many mothers like Angela's in the real world who not just ignore but even encourage horrific abuse against their own children.
@@youtubestayatyourrootsforfsake knowing james' story it wasnt like that. he also lied to himself and the others mary died 3 years ago but he actually killed her. plus angela says "momma you're the only left. maybe now i can rest.", which sounded like she wanted to kill her. basically it sounds like she lies to herself that her mom is alive and falsely blames her to justify her murder.
@@muslimayupov And why do you think Angela wouldn't have a valid reason to kill her, if she indeed intended to do so? Because women are from your point of view inherently incapable of being despicable and evil? Plus, those scenes could be easily simply indicating how she's haunted by apparitions of her mother constanly mocking and guilt-tripping her since she seems to mainly relive memories of the abuse and her killing two of the three people responsible for this.
@youtubestayatyourrootsforfsake nah what i'm trying to say i need some evidence to support her claims. she wanted to kill her mom's manifestation as well. she is justified in killing her brothers but i dont think she tells james the truth about her mom..
This cutscene is so haunting and I often think of it, even though it's been more than 15 years since I last played and beat Silent Hill 2. Every line of dialogue spoken here has been permanently etched into my brain. I honestly hope the remake does this scene justice.
My favorite Silent Hill chapter! Wonderful music and beautiful story! This scene was certainly the one that moved me most of all. Even today looking at her, even when Angela thinks she is seeing her mother again, tears begin to fall. Thanks to a perfect combination of the beautiful musical track, a conversation with a poignant implication and a successful dubbing. A sequence that for me is pure poetry and has left me with a melancholy memory for more than 15 years. I am now replaying this chapter with my wife. I'm very close to this scene and can't wait to see her reaction.
Pay attention to the stairs at 1:50 , looks like a like Angela is not ascending is descending to hell, that means the pain she has being suffered, every single day of her life.
When I first played this game as a 14 year old back at release, the “for me, it’s always like this” never hit me as understandable until I became an adult. What an incredibly impactful line.
After playing Silent Hill 2 it touched me deeply. To this day it's one of my favorites. The music, the cut scenes. The whole game. They don't make them like that anymore.
I literally always love the first person view when she’s talking to James about trying to save her, love her and heal her pain when that’s also just her talking to us as well, cause I know damn well I wish I could save her. But as she’s stated, it just can’t happen, it’s not possible.
Whenever Angela age regresses, it just hurts my soul because of what it means. Her story and the psychology behind her behavior is so sad and poignantly true about many survivors. I can only imagine how cathartic and difficult being an actual SA survivor and playing this game would have been/is.
If only Angela could have let go of what her mother said and realizes that James killing her boss was her second chance. She could have definitely found her way out if it wasn't for her codependent habits. She loves and hates her mother. The love is from how she's holding on to her mother saying that she deserved it but the hatred that her mother was supposed to protect her. That's her downfall in a way. She could not face her own demons and in turn, they consumed her. Such a beautiful and underrated character. She deserved better. She really did.
Sadly it's not always that easy. To save somebody from such an emotional trauma it's never simple as just defeating one demon that they have. As she stated what was he planning on doing loving her, taking care of her, healing all her pain it doesn't work like that. It's a one thing about suicide that a lot of people don't tend to notice. As someone who's been through abuse and emotional trauma even if you do resist the urge to end it all you're still left scarred simply eating one demon isn't going to heal everything and fix it.
Joey Wolf Yes. The voice acting was completely intentional. It makes the player feel isolated. You're always looking for something you can hold onto for sanity throughout the game, but it never delivers because they want you to feel anxious, afraid and alone like every character in this game. Silent hill 2 is one of the most genius games ever created. We don't see games like this anymore. I would give my life savings up to have the original silent hill team back together again.
the same reason why "ps1 monsters" is a thing. the monsters arent beautifully rendered masterpieces but very unclear, warpy and alien nightmares. this kind of dialogue feels like its a dream or even worse a true nightmare where the people for reason or another cant really express themselves
Imagine a SH game where you play as Angela and see everything from her perspective experiencing her version of burning SH and meeting James during these conversations where he is just a side character passing by.
Arethrid - CY if sh2 ever got a remaster or remake, then I'd imagine angela's story to be in dlc or if you got a certain ending to unlock in if not more than one.
it would be pretty epic if the next full game was planned with pokemon red blue yellow kind of context. dont make just short dlcs but make like 3 or 4 full games that tell different stories in the same world. and no its not that big work since the environments, most models and such is done once. but if one of the player characters fought against animals with firearms profiency, one character "fought" against suggestive monsters mostly be evading or using environment, one character fought shadows and darkness with light based items, one had martial arts skills and fought against mugger, addicts, seedy type of creatures etc. all the versions would be interesting
I just noticed during the part where the camera switches to Jame's perspective. Angela is never in center frame. She is always outside of it almost as if it dodges her. She moves around her head around, but is always away from the center as if James is avoiding eye contact. She is asking him if he would do all the things that would be expected as a husband, which slams him for doing none of it for his own wife. When it switches to another view you see james with his head hing low. If he can't fix his relationship with his wife how would he help her.
My favorite part is at the end when the game gives you back full control but you as a player are still unable to do anything but stand there and watch.
As someone who has had to learn to suppress their own savior complex, this hits very, VERY hard and close to home. The face she makes at 1:27 when she holds up her hand is so well animated it hurts.
It's a very difficult situation... you want to help that person, you know they're in a lot of pain you just want to do something that can ease their suffering. But some people are in too much of a pit for you to extend a hand. And worst of all is that they might drag you down with them. I wonder what's the threshold, when should you insist and when should you just leave things beyond your control be? People with this much trauma on their backs are unfathomable puzzles...
I think this scene in the remake is just directed differently. I honestly think the VAs in the remake knocked it out of the park, but I prefer the more surreal and dreamlike quality of the way the original scene is directed rather than the more realistic version that the remake goes for.
this scene, for some reason, always brings me to tears. Angela is a character that always breaks my heart to see her, because she is such an innocent it seems, corrupted by whats happened to her.
I never picked up on this while I was playing, but the way the camera moves to first person is really impactful. Because, in this sequence, Angela is no longer talking to James, she’s talking to the player. We are taught that, through the medium of gaming at least, that any problem can be fixed, that WE can fix every single problem…but here…we’re helpless to help her…and all the game allows us to do at this point…is watch this poor young girl burn into ash…right in front of our eyes.
After playing the remake I think we owe the original VAs an apology. The way she was able to shift her voice around down to the condescending "will you love me?" line is just levels above. The new VAs tried but these people poured their soul into this.
Seems you are being stunning and brave. Let's see what the thumbs up say about your view. Stunning and brave opinion, though, Well-rounded, like her face.
@@randomusernamedandrew7663boy you’re completely wrong. Angela’s VA IS SUPERIOR than her monotone ass who reads the damn script too fast in the remake especially in this scene. Angela’s VA is superior here because she sounds condescending to James telling him thanks for saving her and saying “Will you love me? Take care of me? Heal all my pain?” Just superior. If anyone prefers the remake for this scene you’re a shill
@@randomusernamedandrew7663 comparing this scene to the remake, the remake's Angela only has one tone and emotion. OG Angela is stellar and conveys 1) excitement to have found her "mama". 2)fear/shock when she finds out its james not her actual mama. 3)despair ascending the staircase. Remke's Angela has one tone, and 0 emotion throughout this entire scene. OG Angela did this character justice when you compare the two.
"You see it too? For me..it's always like this."
Saddest line in the whole franchise.
I think the whole letter from Mary is more sad
I love this line. It feels so realistic. Whenever I see this cutscene, I feel somehow happy for being alive. Because life is not meaningless if you can find such touchable line in game.
malek dumah As someone with major anxiety due to childhood abuse I never looked at this way Angela is a very painful character to witness
James never alluded to “seeing” anything. He just felt her pain as if Angela were bringing James into her universe.
Well her world in Silent Hill was different than James' that's why the monsters she saw were different.
She had done nothing wrong, yet she's the one burning in literal hell. This game is as brilliant as merciless.
Danny from New Orleans actually read somewhere she's in Heaven
She killed her father (an abusive lumber jack), though she probably didn't deserve this...
It's not that she did nothing wrong - like Eddie and James, what she did is way more complex than that.
This is why silent hill 2 has one of the best if not the best story out of all survival horror games
I think Silent Hill shows you what you're hiding. The town itself isn't "evil," all the "evil" is what you bring with you. It also makes this scene so chilling because everyone sees Silent Hill differently. Harry and Henry see the worlds of dangerous people, whereas James, Heather, and Murphy see their own insecurities and shame. The fact that James is able to see what Angela's Silent Hill is means that he's on the same emotional wavelength as she is, which is some daunting foreshadowing if you get the suicide ending.
When she said "For me...It's always like this," I sat, speechless, for about 5 minutes. To me, she basically said that her entire life is a terrible burning hell. Chills ran down my spine because of this scene.
Ho lee shit. I thoght just the same thing man.. that quote.. was made me speechless too.. u just said my mind man.
depression is ignorance and laziness its a delusion, angela is delusional
Fire-based Silent Hill when?
@Kaiser Zephan Source?
@@hallucy2215 the same way cancer is just a delusion. Stop generating too many cells you stupid idiot!
"You see it too? For me..it's always like this."
damn this game
@hostile blueberry I barely noticed that now, no wonder he doesn't say any thing about a fire
We need more games like this with depression and more emotions! No game has never done that except with silent hill!
This game’s portrayal of mental illness is one that really makes you feel both sympathetic and very disturbed
I like how she asks James if he could “save her, “ and not just give her advice or help her like he did, but actually take her pain away. James just looks down, realizing he couldn’t save Maria, Mary, or even himself in regret
I love that too mostly cause she cleverly proves her point to james. People like him can't help her even if they tried.
It's intense how the camera changes into a POV kind of perspective, as if she's asking YOU, the player, but you're constrained by the shackles of dimensions and what the game allows you to do, so you can only hang your head, James' head, in shame as there is nothing you can do about that.
@@LaBerengenaAtomica god that's the worst(by worst I mean best) part. I want to help Angela I really do, but I realize I'd only be proving her point. So many people don't understand trauma and think they can just melt it away with love and care, and the victim in question will always be soft and submissive
@@shadowboy2818 I don't think it's james exclusively who can't help her many of us can feel pity for a person like that and want to help them but can we really love them as equals? I don't mean we don't feel pity because we do but something deep in the back of our minds wouldn't actually allow us to do something more than that we might try to help them from an outsiders point but in the end we wouldn't really love them. Not that I am saying a person who would love a person like angela doesn't exist but I am sure it's harder to help and love a person who is so broken even if you feel pity for them and if they realise you do it just to pity them it would be way worse(just like the way angela asks james to not pity her)
You can't help others who refuse to help themselves.
The opening lines come off a little stilted because the lines were recorded separately and later patched together. It's a wonder that it ends as powerfully as it does. This scene could have been even stronger if Donna and I been given the chance to play it together.
GCNavigator beautiful work
GCNavigator Nice Work. !
Mr. Cihi, you did a great job.
Guy, may i just say that you are a gentleman and a scholar.
I never even noticed or would’ve known. I still can’t even believe that because of the grotesquely somber imagery, audio, symbolism and dialogue the scene has that the atmosphere writes itself anyway.
1:23 I'm surprised no one is talking about this.
It switches to James' POV because Angela is now addressing the player directly. By this point we've all figured out what happened to her and she's telling us not to pity her while also mocking our desire to help her heal. We'd all like to imagine that we'd do things differently if we were the main character and this segment is here to remind us that we don't know what the hell we're talking about and that we're most likely full of crap despite our best intentions.
It's a very subtle fourth wall break, one that I've only recently noticed after multiple playthroughs.
Yeah true i didn't notice that nice catch
I agree. That's why nowadays I hate it when people say things like "if I were you/him/her/them, I'd do this/that etc etc." I'm not saying people don't mean well but you don't necessarily know what you would do if you were put in anybody's shoes, because you are not them. I think James and Angela don't wish each other harm. But deep down they know that they are in no position to help one another because they never really showed mutual empathy, and it's too late to start. And why would they? James didn't get called to town to save Angela; he is there to come to terms with his sins. Angela is there to face her troubled past and get a chance to overcome it; but she decides she is not strong enough and chooses death instead. It's not their responsibility to save each other.
@@billymarino4452 great Analysis
@@ivnightclaw8663 Thanks for the kind words. This may be tl;tr, but I do believe that, while James isn't responsible for helping Angela and Eddie's journey of self discovery, it seems like the town is still using the other characters to possibly influence James' outcome, depending on the players action (and vice versa, though this all depends whether or not you believe the other characters are real). Eddie has decided that using murder is the best way to get the things he wants (mainly respect), and Silent Hill seems to use Eddie to tempt James into thinking the same. Almost like the town is subconsciously trying to tell James "it's OK, Mary was dying anyway, and she was a bitch to you, she had it coming!" And if you get the Maria ending, in a loose way, James agrees with Eddie. Same with Angela. Angela has decided she deserved what happened and will join her family in death, because she doesn't have the strength to keep living. It seems that Silent Hill is presenting the notion to James that he too, may not deserve to live, and suicide is an option he can take as an atonement. Although James can overcome these desires, depending on the players actions, of course. I read recently that in a way, James acts like Eddie's own Pyramid Head. Unlike James for most of the game, Eddie is very self aware of what he did and realizes a lot sooner as to why he was called to SH in the first place. However, Eddie doesn't get that while he was a victim, he became a monster by choice by shooting the dog, wounding his bully, and vowing to kill people who disrespect him in anyway (and I believe that, had Eddie lived, he would probably just kill totally uninvolved people too, he's too unhinged). SH uses James as an example to Eddie that, unless he totally faces up to his actions, he will live and die by the sword, which he ultimately does. Deep down I think James knows why he is in SH and wants punishment, but a part of him probably wants to skate on through for what he did. That is why Pyramid Head stalks him and kills Maria repeatedly. That's why clues are scattered about town that he killed his wife, yet he just doesn't get it until the hotel part. That's why it seems like he's suppressing his memories on the surface, but makes comments that indicate he knows what's going on ("Mary, did you really die three years ago? Are you really in this town, or is this your way of taking?").
@@billymarino4452 thank you very much for this very interesting to read i think James could have definitely been used as Eddies own pyramid head and when replaying and seeing cut scenes i het the feeling that James knows what he had done at least subconsciously and that subconscious ness takes over for some small instances but mostly he has blocked away what he had done i find it interesting that Eddie and especially Angela learn what has happened to them quite quickly it could be because they had been there longer than James as we see Eddie next to Laura in the intro and Angela was probably not there that much longer than James or maybe she was because she had been to town before the graveyard. I forgot to put punctuations sorry
Get's heavier when you realize she's not talking about Silent Hill.
she's talking about pu$$y
@@youhavenoprivacyandownnoth8289 Yea
what does she mean?
@@Gadget-Walkmen 8 goddamn years. Goddamn.
She means her whole life's been like that.
@@CowboyxWayne still responded didn’t you so it doesn’t matter on much time passed.
I believe Angela was planning on killing her mother, just as she had killed her father and brother by burning down a house with them in it. Then she was going to kill herself in the very end, which is why she says "Now I can finally rest." when she thinks she has finally found her.
I also think her mother blamed Angela for all the abuse she received from her father, I think this because she says "Even mama said it. I deserved what happened."
People sympathize with her character so much because she's the epitome of victimization. The physical abuse of her father only matched by the mental abuse from her mother. Since Silent Hill feeds off guilt and other emotions, someone unstable as Angela.. her world must have been 10 times worse than anything James could have went through.
I think she always sees fire because of the guilt she feels for burning down the house, constant flames that follow her around as a constant reminder of her sin. She finally ascends the staircase, ready to accept her fate. To burn in flames just as her brother and father did.
To me, Angela's character is one of the most heart-wrenching concepts that I've ever seen.
Definitely. When you first encounter her in the graveyard, she says her father and brother should be in Silent Hill - and later we kill the monster that she saw as her father. Just as James had to watch Maria killed over and over again so that he could finally come to terms with what happened with Mary, it looks like the same thing was happening with Angela - the way she says "You're the only one left" suggests she killed some representation of her brother offscreen. But just like James "The Oppressor" (remember the prison?) stops Eddie from healing by killing him, he also dooms Angela by stopping her from reliving her father's death ("Thank you for saving me, but I wish you hadn't").
There's a bunch to Angela's character and story that the game sort of fast-forwards though. When the HD collection was first announced and people still had high hopes for it, I was really hoping we'd get an Angela subscenario in the vein of Born From A Wish.
Skythikon Hmm.
If James is able to leave Silent Hill, that suggests that technically Angela or Eddie could have done so as well. It sounds tragically romantic to imagine Angela going up the stairs to burn forever with the corpse of the father and brother. But they aren't actually her father and brother. They are just representations. Unless she has three separate endings like James does as well.
If she isn't dead already, eventually she will have to get on with her life. Seeing as she doesn't seem quite as pursued by monsters like James is, besides the obvious ones, what is she going to do, just lie there forever in the heat of the mental representation of her house burning?
Silent Hill doesn't seem to be an ending. It seems more therapeutic especially as people have to face their fears and come to terms with what they did. of course it's very dangerous and you can end up dead like poor Eddie. or the person in the prison that eddie killed.
I also wish she would have got a subscenario. all three, Eddie, Angela and Laura. It's funny how she never meets Laura. Even Eddie comes into contact with Laura, and she doesn't see him as a monster or anything.
Perhaps another character going through Silent Hill would have met James endlessly going on about his wife.
I agree, although if the newspaper clipping in the labyrinth is anything to go by, she stabbed her father to death and kept the knife-that is, until she gave it to James.
that is right. She also has probably castrated her father while stabbing him to death. Masahiro Ito confirmed on Twitter that the frames on the staircase walls are both her father and brother, covered by human flesh sheets, with a bleeding crotch.
I dont know who has the worst story, Angela or Lisa Garland that stay stuck in silent hill forever.
"Or maybe... you think you can save me? Will you love me? Take care of me? Heal all my pain? That's what I thought." That line means a lot to me. Some people have such strong savior complexes they think they can magically fix a depressed traumatized person. They mean well, but they don't realize it's not that simple. I've met plenty of them. And the line "For me, it's always like this." Chills. Every time.
Another line that gets me is, "It's hot as hell in here." THE ENTIRE ROOM IS IN FLAMES, JAMES.
Boo Hoo It's one of the best scenes in video gaming in my opinion for it's tone and delivery
Boo Hoo It's implied James merely feels the heat of the flames, but doesn't see them. Angela *assumes* he sees them.
or maybe it's just an euphemism, considering the tome he uses,or he actually doesnt acually see the flames but feel them
Each of the characters live their own hell. James' interpretation of the town is depressive and full of creatures that are a reflection of, mostly, his frustrated sexual needs and guilty in relation to Mary's sickness and subsequent death. Angela sees creatures too which she mentions in the beginning of the game, but they're probably different plus the hell she is in is not depressive but hellish like depicted here. The fat guy (sorry I forgot his name) sees the town the way it is when you fight him: cold like a freezer and full of animal bodies hanging around. If we played the whole game as Angela there'd be fire everywhere and the same concept goes for the fat guy.
Bruno Oliviera the other guy's name is Eddie
The way James hangs his head in shame breaks me every time.
Thats what breaks me every time. "Maybe you can save me? Will you love me? Take care of me? Heal all my pain?" .. and James just hangs his head low.
@@stefanbistrancin5862 Theres really nothing he could do for her. She’s a broken woman and he’s a broken man. Not even Silent Hill could save her.
I almost always cry when I watch this scene. It is so intense and powerful because it depicts the real life sitution and the horrors the victims of sexual abuse must feel all the time.
vlatko macanić and that's how it will always get its credit worth with the fans that remember this scene even after so many years since its debut
I hope that people who suffer in general can find some better place after their death. And be given the choice to not reincarnate if they don't want.I tend to be obsessed with death due to my OCDS and depression, as well as losing people I love in brutal circumstances, and most of people don't understand that if they have not lived it.I don't want to live until 80 years.
@@joueuravise2611 There is no guarantee for anything after death. People should not give up on finding a better place in life because they were driven into suicide from foolish ideas of an afterlife.
ミ Nova when you die your body become a corpse but your soul goes other place, many atheists are scared to believe in that
I allways feel like are descriptions of the afterlife are mere metaphors for somthing are human minds carnt comprehend on both extremes of the argument for and against
"For me, its always like this." That line has stuck with me ever since.
22 years. 22 years, and people still weep for Angela.
"For me, it's always like this"
Agreed
😢😭😭
It's the "this is fine" dog
It's ''Even mama said it. I deserved what happened.'' for me.
Victims of sexual abuse often deal with feelings of guilt over ''the part they take'' in their own abuse. Predators and sexual abusers tend to have a MO that includes shaming the victim for the abuse they're being inflcited upon, which is why a lot of people, like Angela, feel worthless and end up being promiscuous (as in ''my body is worth nothing'') or straight up killing themselves. It's a shitshow of a situation.
Especially with the mother blaming the victim. You have no idea how fucking often you see spouses of sexual abusers/rapists protecting their shithead of a husband and even taking it out on the victim (often their own daughter/niece/etc.) via jealousy and victimizing them even further.
That's why it's heartbreaking to see. All of Angela's family were a bunch of shitstain excuses for humans that belong in worse places than Silent Hill.
@@LaBerengenaAtomica Yeah. It always bothered me that we don’t really get any closure on this. We never see Angela again after this scene, so we never really know for sure what happened to her.
2:34 - I will forever go back to this line as an example of video games being able to do subtlety. The meaning of the sentence changes depending on which of the four words you emphasise:
" *I'd* never kill myself" but I know people who would.
"I'd *never* kill myself" I have too much to live for.
"I'd never *kill* myself" but I have no problem with self harm
And then there's the line read we get: "I'd never kill *myself* " but I am, on some level, aware I have killed others.
It's brilliant and subtle and if you aren't paying attention you'd miss it like so many other things in this game, and I love it.
@bob to add on, I think it's off because at this point James is broken by the town, Mary and Angela. Angela crushes him in this scene to the point even in his defense his words hold no ground. She's dominant here and prove James' wrong with her "will you love me" line.
If Angela had grabbed the knife from him in this scene, I don't think he'd stop her
I got the "In Water" ending and this scene, and specifically that line, became one of the greatest in video game history in my mind
Nice catch!!!
I’ve hung on that line for near 20 years for that very reason (near bc I was only 7 when the game was released so I prob didn’t play it then) bc it’s a huge moment in James’ psyche. It actually subconsciously lays bare the selfish reasons that he killed Mary, as well as his the lack of consciousness for Eddie’s life. It shows that despite the fact that James is capable of being a good man, he is still a very concerning individual, a selfish and cold man, who is primarily concerned with his own life. Brilliantly done with just the emphasis on one word.
@@joshgroban5291 to add to the dominance in this scene, the camera is shown from James' perspective with Angela towering over him
1:20 Angela's expressions , motion capture, and the voice actress is so good here
You’re kidding right?
@@josephfaifer This honestly seems like a bad play.
James: "I'd never kill myself"
Literally everyone: 🗿
This his how Depression kills you slow every single day ask Chester
@J Slough you must have Depression to unterstand this..
You can have all you want everything still your bodys Switches of
Pain every bone hurts, permanent Headache, always tired you want to do something but you cannot
Every one around you is pissed and sad why cant you be happy
I have a wife three kids every day is a battle for me
I need all my power to get up in the morning and to act normal in work and family it is brutal.. To clean up i work 10 minutes Rest 10 minutes and so on because iam tired
@J Slough telling people with money and responsibilities to "suck it up" and don't be sad instead of showing comprehension and helping them to seek professional help is exactly the reason why male suicide rates are so high
You aren't helping anyone this way
Show some compassion for once in your lifetime
@@JohnSmith-294 no one knows the black hole named Depression that eats you slow alive till it bites you...
All this jokes Pussy, lame donkey, loser.. All day while you try to stay up
Depression means no feelings just empty... Inside you
Money cars fame nothing fits into this place
And how harder you fight the faster it takes you down
In Water, James. In Water.
Easily the best cutscene in a videogame ever, or at least among the best the medium has to offer.
My two favorites are still in The Last of Us. The one where Ellie gets upset at Joel for wanting to leave her with Tommy and the one where Ellie is about to be killed by David and Joel comes in a saves her.
If this is the kind of thing you’re looking for in a game, might I suggest Heavy Rain? Easily the most heart-wrenching gaming experience I’ve ever had. I cried so many times.
@@beardalaxy Funny you mention TLoU because that game owes a lot to Silent Hill
@@ryanhutchinson4467 my guy, Heavy Rain is absolute shlock
@@ALocalClown Either you have terrible taste, or you’re a troll trying to get a rise out of people by hating on a good game because you’ve got nothing better to do. Either way, please see yourself out because I don’t have the patience to put up with you.
Just came here to compare, and.... yeah this one is indeed heartbreaking.
it is
This hit me mostly because she hit the 4th wall and asked if I could save her but I knew I couldn't because the fire was there for her and not me. She walked off into the darkness because she gave into Silent Hill. I really wanted to save her :(
Chris Loland if only there was to :/
Chris Loland me too haven't felt so sad since Lisa's death
Silent Hill. Teaching you that you can't save everyone since 99
Lisa
Angela
Harry
Cynthia
Alessa
Lillian
Harry (Again)
Frank
Drew Russell 😂🤣!
@dorothydreams oftornadoes
I dunno, I think it is. Notice how the POW changes.
For a moment their personal hells became one.
It's been 14 years since I played Silent Hill 2 for the first time, and for 14 years I have felt really sad for not being able to save Angela. This scene hits me right in my heart every time I see it.
Somewhere inside my mind I keep imagining that she finally found peace sometime after this beautiful but yet heartbreaking scene was over.
I'm sorry Angela, no one deserve what you went through.
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It doesn't stop people from blaming a survivor for the things they endured.
You wanted to marry her and take her virginity?
She probably would have felt a warm tinge in her heart if she'd heard those words. She'll be remembered, at least she's finally resting in peace.
@@MathiasBelmont1
May God (Allah) guide everyone astray. Whoever searches the books knows very well that the Trinity, divinity, and humanity are not present in them, and there is no mention of them or of Christ’s confession that he is God, God forbid.
They are all interpretations of priests, as if God needs explanations for the basis of his divinity. In all religions there are differences, but the origin is clear with regard to God, except for Christianity. God. There are throughout history conflicts over his divinity and identity.
Christ himself was calling on God and asking Him like any human being. God guided everyone to His unity and satisfaction
Whoever searches for answers to doubts about Islam will find them, but most people want what their priests allow
This is the most beautiful game... The soundtrack, the history...everything. The music makes me think though. I wish games still had beautiful parts in them, strong characters, and amazing soundtracks, so lets take the time and thank Team Silent, shall we?
+John “Soap” MacTavish Exactly!!!!
+John “Soap” McTavish thank you, Team Silent. There will never be another game like this. I replay SH2 once a year just to reach this cutscene. It's cleansing and humbling.
Tyler Leon I do too,this scene is so sad and I love the music and the whole atmosphere the best part is that the story is scary but very beautiful, don't you think?
Dead Space 2. It's not just pointless gore and violence, it's the story of a deeply traumatized person that just wanted to help people.
John MacTavish couldn’t have said it better myself.
Angela: James. Give me back that knife.
James: no
Angela: saving it for yourself?.
James. Me. I'd never kill myself
> gets in water ending :》
T Gardner James is a hypocrite. And Angela knew James is a hypocrite
true because his father never saw him again
itachixg Not true. If he survived, it's very unlikely he'd come back to his father and his old life after what he did. It would be simply impossible and he'd have some serious explaining to do. In Leave, he adopts Laura and starts a new life someplace else. If you get In Water, Laura really has no place to go and her story has no conclusion. It was Mary's dying wish for James to adopt her, so I think it's a great conclusion to Laura's story instead of, well, nothing. And having overcome his inner demons, he can become a better person and live in peace.
"Seems Legit"
@@VergilHiltsLT he adopted without his identification? This never could happen... And douglas, the detective from silent hill 3 says that he try to find a person on silent hill but never found it, it seems like he talk about james... As someone here already said, james father never saw him again, he disappeared with mary.
That "For me, it's always like this" stings you like a sharp edge.
2:46 before James says, "It's hot as hell in here", he raises his right hand to his face. When the scene's camera angle is hacked, James is shown apparently wiping his eye. While it may be interpreted as James fidgeting; having something in his eye; or wiping sweat off of his brow from the heat, it is also possible that James may be weeping for Angela and wiping a tear away
Pretty cool. Though, I don't really view James as an empathetic sort.
What I see now with this scene is the key to her pain:
"Even momma said it: I deserve what happened."
Thats what was truly traumatic about this scene.
If our parents who are supposed to be the one who nurtures and loves us tells us we deserve bad things to happen?
That cuts deep.
No child in this would should go through that
No, Angela, that's wrong
Parents who blame children for being abused like what happened to Angela, should be placed in Silent Hill to be forever tormented for their sickly actions
You know, the remake scene is pretty cool, but i preffer this version for some reasons.
1. Angela here is way more provocative with her dialogues, wich makes her feel angrier and more genuine with her hatred
2. James denying that he would never take his life was a really good dialogue that sadly was not included, not only because makes it clear that's the purpose of the knfe, but because it relates to the in water ending.
"You see it too? For me, it's always like this." That line is so... beautiful.
there's something about the first person camera when she says "do you think you can take care of me? Heal all my pain?", that's definitely a choice missing from the remake
Because she's talking directly to you, the player
How the hell can the HD version screw up the looping of the music. IT LITERALLY MADE THIS SCENE WHAT IT IS. And they screwed it up by stopping it mid scene and replaying it. Unbelievable jackasses.
It’s the only thing that saved the horrible voice acting
@@dreadlordhg360 But there’s no reason for that either. They should’ve just used the original lines. The re-recorded dialogue was god-awful.
@@ryanhutchinson4467 the HD collection was a early Beta of the game
@@treadmill1383 Yeah, I know. Konami didn’t care enough about the project to give the devs a decent build of the game to work off of, and this is the result.
@@ryanhutchinson4467 they should've got the peeps who made mgs HD collection
The first person perspective during the ''you cant save me'' part is a DIRECT kick to the nuts from the game to the player, makes it feel so real and personal
All these years and I only just realised James lightly touches Angela’s hand when he says ‘Angela no’ and she doesn’t freak out.
The most heartbreaking moment in this scene is the part where you finally take control of James, yet you can't progress up the stairs at all because of the fire.
And the only thing that keeps you in the room is the silhouette of Angela still crawling upwards even after the cutscene, forcing you to stay and watch until her figure eventually dissolves into the fire. It was absolutely painful to watch.
its insane how one moment she can sound so childlike how an actual 19 year old girl would sound (when she thinks james is her mother) and then when she realises hes not she sounds mature way beyond her years
2:13 I didn't notice that back then. Maybe it wasnt intentional. This change of tone, Is it in the remake too?
Wow. I'm just now getting around to playing the Silent Hill games, and I just saw this cutscene last night. The line "You see it too?... For me, it's always like this." left me so emotionally winded I just sat, stunned, in silence for 5 minutes processing what I just saw. Easily my favorite cutscene in the whole game, but, I haven't seen any of the cutscenes after this one yet.
I really can't express enough how stunned I was by that line. It was so beautifully delivered by the voice actor.
What does she mean when she says that?
thiefswiller It means that Angela is constantly surrounded by flames.
Silent Hill messes with the psyche of whoever is in the town. So in Angela's case, she's constantly surrounded by fire, possibly because of her guilt from burning her family members alive.
The reason this scene is so powerful is because now her anxiety is so intense that now even James can "see it too."
Easily the best scene I've ever seen all round. Amazingly written, and the ambience is impeccable. Hopefully I've answered your question.
Icantdothatrightnow What caught me off guard is how Angela, sarcastically, asks James for help. His response is a silence no. It surprises me that people really want to help but cannot physically help the other person; this scene really deconstructs lip service, or likes in Facebook.
thiefswiller It means that she is constantly in a state of burning, of death. In other words, she is suffering and dying inside. Life is too much to bear for her.
This scene is one of the main reasons I love Silent Hill 2. It was dark, it didn't play around, it gave you the twisted truth. Angela was broken and you can see it in her janky face animations and hear it in her words. Chills. Every time
This scene is amazing in so many ways, but lately something has been digging at me with it. When Angela says "for me, it's always like this" implies that the entire time we have been playing the game, the entire area for Angela may have been on fire. When she's laying on the floor with the knife and James finds her, she's actually laying in the fire. The issue is that we only cross into Angela's silent hill during this staircase scene, which is why she mistakes James as her mom- he visibly was for a moment until both realities merge.
She was the character i wanted to save the more, but it was not possible
"No... don't pity me. I'm not worth it... Or maybe... you think you can save me. Will you love me...? Take care of me...? Heal all my pain...? Hmph... That's what I thought."
So much sense in just one phrase. It's not hard to pity someone, in the same time so frequently we're not able to take care of another people. You can say "No, that's wrong", but it's almost nothing in compare of sharing true love. And that indifference is the most terrible evil that human being can ever do.
I feel this moreso because there is a girl who I know that I grew up with that rejected me and all I want to do is be there for her and support her she's been through some bad things not sexual abuse as far as I know she could have been she really could have been.
But man...she said it to James. Who already did all this before...and failed. Couldn't love Mary. Or take care of her. Heal her of her disease. It's a beautifully macabre way of saying that James is the least qualified to even begin to help Angela.
@@Darkmage1293 Yes, but James at least attempted taking care of Mary, and Angela said all this like James wouldn't ever try at all to really take care of Angela (she was right, besides). Besides, as far as I remember, Angela don't necessarily know about James' relationship with Mary, maybe Laura told her, but we don't know that for sure.
@@fakt7814 Intuition is a very real thing, might have been that, I can assure you.
@@Darkmage1293 Yeah, you're so right - in the moment of playing this I tend to forget this. We act as if we were truly James, but we're really really not.
So angelas silent hill is full of fire and violation... it's so sad and depressing :(
this is one of the most Kino scenes in any videogame.
This scene is trauma studies 101.
One of the most powerful and important pieces of artistic expression in interactive entertainment...
fun fact: her voice actor, Donna Burke, is the one who performed the song "Sins of the Father" from MGS V
No shit Sherlock
@@christosstamato527 most people don't know that.
@@Gadget-Walkmen Indeed lol. Looking back to this comment I made, it seems a bit rude of me lol
@@christosstamato527 At least you understood your mistake and fessed up to it. Kudos to you. 🙏
I never knew that! Sounds like the same singer for this one song in particular in Death Stranding. Haven’t finished the game yet so no spoilers please, but it’s this one featured in the announcement for the PC port that plays when they show it starring Norman Reedus & Mass Mikkelsen. The trailer itself is less than a minute long.
When Silent Hill was Silent Hill.
Thank You Team Silent
This is hands down the best cut scene in the entire game and that is saying a lot! This scene is so raw and emotional, it really hits you hard when you watch it.
I feel it's one of the best cutscenes in gaming history... but you see it too, right?
This scene and the one where the two pyramid heads stab Maria
This scenes so good. She also REALLY puts James in his place.
The face animation work on Angela at 1:23 is legitimately breathtaking and heartbreaking.
I watched this more than 20 times today. I’m 23 and I feel like crying every time I watch. This scene isn’t just a game, so tragic.
it's sad that Angela ends up suffering a worse fate than James, considering how she has far fewer reasons to feel guilty than he does, but that's what makes this game's idea of Silent Hill far more impactful: Silent Hill is hell, but not the Christian idea of hell where it's a place designed to punish those deemed guilty by God; it's a special self-manifested hell designed to punish those who deem themselves guilty, and that is far more terrifying because it's so real
May God (Allah) guide everyone astray. Whoever searches the books knows very well that the Trinity, divinity, and humanity are not present in them, and there is no mention of them or of Christ’s confession that he is God, God forbid.
They are all interpretations of priests, as if God needs explanations for the basis of his divinity. In all religions there are differences, but the origin is clear with regard to God, except for Christianity. God. There are throughout history conflicts over his divinity and identity.
Christ himself was calling on God and asking Him like any human being. God guided everyone to His unity and satisfaction
Whoever searches for answers to doubts about Islam will find them, but most people want what their priests allow
@@amany247 Muhammad was as much of a fraud as Christ was lmao
(you're not going to convert anyone with your lazy couch-proselytizing. i'd be way more inclined to listen if you were screaming on a street corner, foam flecking your mouth and an unhinged look in your eye. shows conviction.)
@@amany247I see my country and I see yours. I see what we invented and what you destroy.
One society certainly is a lot more "blessed" than the other. Better art, better creations, better inventions that help and save mankind and you import these very ideas and inventions gladly regardless of your demonization of it. Your society is incapable just like the other Abrahamic religion.
Honestly, I'm not even making a religious argument, at this point.
I see my country and I see yours. I see what we invented and what you destroy.
One society certainly is a lot more "blessed" than the other. Better art, better creations, better inventions that help and save mankind and you import these very ideas and inventions gladly regardless of your demonization of it. Only destroy. Just like that other Abrahamic religion.
Honestly, I'm not even making a religious argument, at this point.
"You see it too? For me, it's always like this." is such a dark, beautiful line.
Angela is just about the most tragic character in any piece of fiction I've ever encountered.
I’d say you’re wrong but it’s hard to think of a character that tops this.
Quite wrong. But her story is sad.
@@ulquiorraschiffer1956 I'm pretty sure that I'm the expert on MY OWN experiences
@@thegreenmanofnorwich I'd say Madoka Magica is far more depressing.
@@ulquiorraschiffer1956 which is not fiction I have encountered. Could you stop trying to tell me I'm wrong when I write about what I think on things I have experienced?
"No, I...I won't"
Single greatest line uttered by James, Guy delivered it perfectly. It really nailed home to me just how broken James really was and yet he still, somehow, refuses to give in to Angela's desire for self-punishment. Powerful, powerful emotion that bled through and I can't commend Guy enough on that.
2:10 arguably my favorite moment of the game. James’s delivery is just so spot on.
3 minutes and 18 seconds is all it took to heartbreakingly close one of the most tragic stories in video games.
She actually is real. In the intro for about a second, there is a scene where Angela is running, as if she is running away after killing her father.
"N-no. I'd never kill myself" ...... *gets in the water ending*
Its been 10 years since I first played this game, and I've always found myself coming back to this scene. I'm still blown away by how masterfully done it is. The burning building is such a great metaphor for how trauma from years of abuse feels, and It's like getting stabbed in the heart every tim she says, "For me, it's always like this."
0:38 5 year old me after realizing the woman I've been following around in the grocery store isn't my mother
Angela is so underrated. Amazing character. All of them are great characters. Love this game.
If a single word from this scene is changed in the remake my head will explode
Me too
I’m more worried about the delivery
Surely It's going to be different and have a new interpretation since it's not the same VA but I too wish she does the scene justice
Will be about Cheese burgers in the remake.
they removed the "i'd never kill myself" :(
Wanted to watch this after checking out the version from the remake.
Not even a contest. It's crazy how much better this is in comparison.
i was almost convinced to buy the remake after seeing its reception, then i watched how they did this scene. nah i'm good. this game didn't need remaking.
@@rpemulisBasing wether or not you play the remake based on one scene is a little sad and silly tbh. Trust me I was Bloobers #1 hater and while I agree i think this specific scene is done better in the original, theres so much that the remake does just as well (if not better in some cases like the boss fights). Both have merit and there is so much to love about both of these interpretations. Even the creators of the original SH2 have been very vocal about their approval of the remake.
@@AzureShrike i'm glad people like it. i'm glad the SH2 creators like it. i do think that rocks.
imo this is the most important scene in the game, its my favorite at least. to get me to want to devote 17 hours and 70$ to a remake of what i would consider an already perfect game, they really need to be doing something incredibly special. this scene in the remake made me feel nothing at all.
if they remade 4, or 1 even, i'd definitely check it out. those games have a TON of unrealized potential.
@@rpemulis
sorry, its just nostalgia, the new version is more realistic..
One of the most beautiful pieces of art ever produced. Silent Hill 2 is a masterpiece.
The way I see it is this game is about guilt. Eddie feels no guilt at all and thinks his actions are justified, James just doesn't want to face up to his guilt and Angela has misplaced guilt (she believes she deserved what happened to her).
Eddie was abused just for the way he looked which driven him despaired and emotionally devestaded. Eddie like Angela believes he somehow deserved it and sides with his oppressors. He and James do feel heavy guilt but have build lies to cope, James overcomes it and faces the truth but Eddie is driven insane by justifying that which he knows is dispicable. He is a victim and deserving of pity.
VonFreklstein in my memories Eddie is no way a victim, he is a murderer a dog killer, closer to be a psycopath than anything else
@@VenomBroly its just a dog lol
@@protocetus499 stfu
@@dijanamandic3559 I agreed.
“ that’s what I thought “
That line goes to show the impotence that one can feel knowing that we simply will not receive what we yearn for from those who with words try to help or show sympathy. Angela knows that neither James nor anyone will be able to heal her no matter how much James wants or anyone wants really.
Tecnically she didn't even died
When I watch this scene , I know that it can never be repeated.
I played this game YEARS ago in 2001 when it first came out...This part always stuck with me and made me tear up when I was a kid. Even now it still gives me chills... Angela's story is so sad.. and Jame's isnt much better.. To me this game is better than any silent hill that came after it and those god awful movies.
"Even Mama said it...I *deserved* what happened..."
That part breaks my heart every damn time. It wasn't enough that Angela endured years of physical and s*xual abuse at the hands of her father and brother, she was psychologically abused by her mother who convinced her that she somehow was deserving of the abuse. To me, that's almost as evil as committing the abuse yourself; trying to convince a victim (especially a child victim) that they somehow drove their abuser to do what they did is just vile. Angela's mother was a total monster too but she still loved her even though her mother never loved her. Good lord, Angela deserved so much better. I often forget that she's just a fictional character but then I'm shattered by the realization that there's a lot of Angelas in the real world too.
Also, while James may not be the greatest guy and definitely has his issues, I'm glad he tells her, "No, Angela! That's wrong!" For all his faults and even after she brutally insulted him prior to this, he still wanted her to know she didn't deserve what happened to her. That's what I love about this game, the characters have such an amazing complexity to them.
i think angela gaslights herself. in reality after she dealt with her father and brother she went too far and dealt with her innocent mom as well and then she just gaslit herself into thinking that her mom insulted her and just ran away. thats why sh tries to punish her.
@@muslimayupov "Innocent"? Didn't you hear what Angela told James? Her mother was fucking complicit to the abuse, she let it happen and even spitefully blamed Angela of having "provoked" this. What makes you think that she just made that up? In case you have lived in ignorance the whole time, there are sadly way too many mothers like Angela's in the real world who not just ignore but even encourage horrific abuse against their own children.
@@youtubestayatyourrootsforfsake knowing james' story it wasnt like that. he also lied to himself and the others mary died 3 years ago but he actually killed her. plus angela says "momma you're the only left. maybe now i can rest.", which sounded like she wanted to kill her. basically it sounds like she lies to herself that her mom is alive and falsely blames her to justify her murder.
@@muslimayupov And why do you think Angela wouldn't have a valid reason to kill her, if she indeed intended to do so? Because women are from your point of view inherently incapable of being despicable and evil? Plus, those scenes could be easily simply indicating how she's haunted by apparitions of her mother constanly mocking and guilt-tripping her since she seems to mainly relive memories of the abuse and her killing two of the three people responsible for this.
@youtubestayatyourrootsforfsake nah what i'm trying to say i need some evidence to support her claims. she wanted to kill her mom's manifestation as well. she is justified in killing her brothers but i dont think she tells james the truth about her mom..
This cutscene is so haunting and I often think of it, even though it's been more than 15 years since I last played and beat Silent Hill 2. Every line of dialogue spoken here has been permanently etched into my brain. I honestly hope the remake does this scene justice.
My favorite Silent Hill chapter! Wonderful music and beautiful story! This scene was certainly the one that moved me most of all. Even today looking at her, even when Angela thinks she is seeing her mother again, tears begin to fall. Thanks to a perfect combination of the beautiful musical track, a conversation with a poignant implication and a successful dubbing. A sequence that for me is pure poetry and has left me with a melancholy memory for more than 15 years.
I am now replaying this chapter with my wife. I'm very close to this scene and can't wait to see her reaction.
Pay attention to the stairs at 1:50 , looks like a like Angela is not ascending is descending to hell, that means the pain she has being suffered, every single day of her life.
This game depicted psychological trauma in a way that no other art form ever have or will
No movie can compare
R.I.P for everyone who is still trying to find this song
Theme of Laura (reprise)
When I first played this game as a 14 year old back at release, the “for me, it’s always like this” never hit me as understandable until I became an adult.
What an incredibly impactful line.
Rewatching this scene, I think she killed her mom too. "Momma you're the only one left! Maybe then I can rest..."
The ending of this scene shows Angela ascending the staircase but is framed and angled in a way that shows her descending into Hell.
the way she walks throught the stairs
she's carring so much on her back
so much pain
heavy pain
After playing Silent Hill 2 it touched me deeply. To this day it's one of my favorites. The music, the cut scenes. The whole game. They don't make them like that anymore.
I literally always love the first person view when she’s talking to James about trying to save her, love her and heal her pain when that’s also just her talking to us as well, cause I know damn well I wish I could save her. But as she’s stated, it just can’t happen, it’s not possible.
I finished the game recently. This cutscene hit hard. Silent Hill 2 is a masterpiece.
Whenever Angela age regresses, it just hurts my soul because of what it means. Her story and the psychology behind her behavior is so sad and poignantly true about many survivors. I can only imagine how cathartic and difficult being an actual SA survivor and playing this game would have been/is.
If only Angela could have let go of what her mother said and realizes that James killing her boss was her second chance. She could have definitely found her way out if it wasn't for her codependent habits. She loves and hates her mother. The love is from how she's holding on to her mother saying that she deserved it but the hatred that her mother was supposed to protect her. That's her downfall in a way. She could not face her own demons and in turn, they consumed her.
Such a beautiful and underrated character. She deserved better. She really did.
Sadly it's not always that easy.
To save somebody from such an emotional trauma it's never simple as just defeating one demon that they have.
As she stated what was he planning on doing loving her, taking care of her, healing all her pain it doesn't work like that.
It's a one thing about suicide that a lot of people don't tend to notice.
As someone who's been through abuse and emotional trauma even if you do resist the urge to end it all you're still left scarred simply eating one demon isn't going to heal everything and fix it.
I can't tell if I want the voice acting to be better or to stay how it is. The weird awkward pauses make a surreal effect.
Joey Wolf Yes. The voice acting was completely intentional. It makes the player feel isolated. You're always looking for something you can hold onto for sanity throughout the game, but it never delivers because they want you to feel anxious, afraid and alone like every character in this game. Silent hill 2 is one of the most genius games ever created. We don't see games like this anymore. I would give my life savings up to have the original silent hill team back together again.
Well, you can try the HD collection if you want to see how much worse "good" voice acting makes SH2.
I thought the voice who played Angels was better than the James voice! James sound like a recording 🤷🏾♂️!
the same reason why "ps1 monsters" is a thing. the monsters arent beautifully rendered masterpieces but very unclear, warpy and alien nightmares. this kind of dialogue feels like its a dream or even worse a true nightmare where the people for reason or another cant really express themselves
"I'd never kill myself" later on that day Angel's Thanatos starts playing 😂
“For me it’s always like this”
yesss she is my favorite of the entire series. lisa being a close second.
ten years later.. and this scene still gets me
Does it still get you 20 years later ?
Imagine a SH game where you play as Angela and see everything from her perspective experiencing her version of burning SH and meeting James during these conversations where he is just a side character passing by.
Arethrid - CY if sh2 ever got a remaster or remake, then I'd imagine angela's story to be in dlc or if you got a certain ending to unlock in if not more than one.
it would be pretty epic if the next full game was planned with pokemon red blue yellow kind of context. dont make just short dlcs but make like 3 or 4 full games that tell different stories in the same world. and no its not that big work since the environments, most models and such is done once. but if one of the player characters fought against animals with firearms profiency, one character "fought" against suggestive monsters mostly be evading or using environment, one character fought shadows and darkness with light based items, one had martial arts skills and fought against mugger, addicts, seedy type of creatures etc. all the versions would be interesting
@@shadowboy2818 well we have our remake now 😂. Here's hoping a DLC will be on the way too
@@michael_krueger if so born from a wish should at least happen and it has to be worth it.
i don't know how many times i watched it. no one can help her, she knows that. and i know no one help me too. it sucks.
I just noticed during the part where the camera switches to Jame's perspective. Angela is never in center frame. She is always outside of it almost as if it dodges her. She moves around her head around, but is always away from the center as if James is avoiding eye contact. She is asking him if he would do all the things that would be expected as a husband, which slams him for doing none of it for his own wife. When it switches to another view you see james with his head hing low. If he can't fix his relationship with his wife how would he help her.
My favorite part is at the end when the game gives you back full control but you as a player are still unable to do anything but stand there and watch.
This always hits that deep spot inside me
"For me, it's always like this"
As someone who has had to learn to suppress their own savior complex, this hits very, VERY hard and close to home.
The face she makes at 1:27 when she holds up her hand is so well animated it hurts.
had the same complex and the way she seems to mock you when she says, "maybe you think you can save me," just hits hard..
It's a very difficult situation... you want to help that person, you know they're in a lot of pain you just want to do something that can ease their suffering. But some people are in too much of a pit for you to extend a hand. And worst of all is that they might drag you down with them. I wonder what's the threshold, when should you insist and when should you just leave things beyond your control be? People with this much trauma on their backs are unfathomable puzzles...
2001 and Konami had already nailed it. 2023 and other studios haven't managed get get facial animations down.
Honestly after watching the remake one I think this version is better still.
The original is better period ✊️
I think this scene in the remake is just directed differently. I honestly think the VAs in the remake knocked it out of the park, but I prefer the more surreal and dreamlike quality of the way the original scene is directed rather than the more realistic version that the remake goes for.
@@AzureShrikeremake VAs mainly blew ass
Don't fuck this up Bloober, my favorite scene
They will, but we will always have the original so it's fine
They fucked this up(
this scene, for some reason, always brings me to tears. Angela is a character that always breaks my heart to see her, because she is such an innocent it seems, corrupted by whats happened to her.
Goosebumps every time. No game has done emotion like this and that’s why this is one of the best! EVER
I never picked up on this while I was playing, but the way the camera moves to first person is really impactful. Because, in this sequence, Angela is no longer talking to James, she’s talking to the player. We are taught that, through the medium of gaming at least, that any problem can be fixed, that WE can fix every single problem…but here…we’re helpless to help her…and all the game allows us to do at this point…is watch this poor young girl burn into ash…right in front of our eyes.
After playing the remake I think we owe the original VAs an apology. The way she was able to shift her voice around down to the condescending "will you love me?" line is just levels above. The new VAs tried but these people poured their soul into this.
The new VA is way more emotional, convincing, broken, and genuine tbh, and yes, way more condescending so I don’t know what you’re getting at.
Seems you are being stunning and brave. Let's see what the thumbs up say about your view. Stunning and brave opinion, though, Well-rounded, like her face.
@@SerpentineDeity ok now you lost it .😂
@@randomusernamedandrew7663boy you’re completely wrong. Angela’s VA IS SUPERIOR than her monotone ass who reads the damn script too fast in the remake especially in this scene. Angela’s VA is superior here because she sounds condescending to James telling him thanks for saving her and saying “Will you love me? Take care of me? Heal all my pain?” Just superior. If anyone prefers the remake for this scene you’re a shill
@@randomusernamedandrew7663 comparing this scene to the remake, the remake's Angela only has one tone and emotion. OG Angela is stellar and conveys 1) excitement to have found her "mama". 2)fear/shock when she finds out its james not her actual mama. 3)despair ascending the staircase. Remke's Angela has one tone, and 0 emotion throughout this entire scene. OG Angela did this character justice when you compare the two.