The Curious Case Of The A2D-1's Crazy Air AB 9.0 Battle Rating
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- In short, it's partly due to literally ignorant AB players at top tier, but I go over that and more in the video.
The A2D-1 has long been a beloved aircraft in War Thunder, where it can be great in air RB, ground RB, and even air AB. The problem is that, in air AB, it currently sits at 9.0BR, whereas it is a much lower 7.0BR in both RB settings and in Sim, which is the largest disparity between game modes in the whole of War Thunder. In this video, I go over exactly what has caused that change to occur in detail and from my experience. This is The Curious Case Of The A2D-1's Crazy Air AB Battle Rating.
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No matter the BR, in AB if you have 2+ engines you automatically become priority target for about half the enemy team.
true for the do 335 for me
I think it's mostly the wide wingspan that does it, they're just an easier target. Or maybe AB players are just that braindead, like moths to a flame
He-111 H1 makes this true for me
@@Rainersherwood AB players never really need to learn the fundamentals of energy fighting in order to succeed, especially at lower tiers. The UFO flight models levels the playing field, and stalling out enemies is a lot less effective in AB, although it obviously can still work well with enough energy. The he 100 is overpowered in that regard, given just how superior it is to the biplanes it often faces.
@@Rainersherwood doesn't the He-100 only have 7.7's?
I also wondered why it still is 9.0 in AB. It literally meets F104s!
Precisely
Good
@@MaticTheProto how is a turbo slow turbo prop meeting the fastest jets in the game good ?
@@eagerestcrab2030 He's mad he gets destroyed by a slow turbo-prop
@@MaticTheProto proto
don't forget the ki 84 is now 7.7 in air ab as well now so it can see the mig 21 f13 in air ab lol
That's more of an issue with the mig 21 being so low....
@@Cuteseals2 Yea, the MIG-21 needs to go up a little
air arcade br spread above 6.0 is a joke lol
air AB is a trip. from someone who has barely touched it since playing the yak-1 in 2017, going back is always a fever dream
Mig 21s at 7.7
@@spartanx9293 which perform as well as a 4.0
You are absolutely right. If you side climb and get to 25-30k ft without any interference, you can takeout 4 bases and a good chunk of the airfield. However, many times there will be a harrier, f-104 or mig-21waiting for an easy kill. I’ve had much better luck with the A2D than with the B-57 or the Vatour.
Yes the BR is crazy, but the problem is not players. The problem is Gaijin judging vehicle stats on player performance over the vehicles actual capabilities. Selling you a vehicle then altering it's BR unfavorably leaves a bad taste in my mouth & causes me to avoid giving the company any money at all.
@@Bobspineable 'performance' is measured in player stats. Obviously, moving it up BR will negatively affect its usefulness.. which is how I judge vehicles.
So glad I checked this video before buying anything. I am an air noob and am only reliably good using my 3.3 and 3.7 planes in GRB. I am improving at 7.3 with my SU jet but in test flight, this A2D-1 is quite stubborn to turning and maneuvering
The ki 84 in ab is 7.7 and the PFM is 8.7.
PFM?
@@fransbeckman5007 mig 21 PFM
Fuck me and I though RB was compressed
I mean, the ki-84 is arguably better.
the 262a1/u4 is 5.7 in ab
It's funny to me how often people spawn and die in this thing at 7.0 because they base rush when you can just climb to 30,000 feet and energy trap anything that contends you
there's one word for these kind of players: US mains.
@@kingghidorah8106 That's 2 words and typically German mains are the worse across the board
@@maxshell9465 German mains aren't bad, just that their aircraft are very mediocre and their teams are 90 percent useless bombers and attackers and MG151 has been tuned down a lot. I mean, when your plane goes at 650kmh at sea level and climbs at 24m/s and you face things that climb at 28m/s, retain as much as you and out dogfight your ass at any speed AND ARE 100KMH faster you can't do much (K4 vs F4U 4B) or your "super OP" MiG19S keeps breaking its zero load wings when dodging western 20G missiles and keeps missing the shots because no quick control responsiveness whatsoever, while Harriers can just disengage and throttle down and up as much as they want because unlike MiG19 and F100 their engines ain't temperate dependant to work. Or when you're in a fox1 meta and all you get are doodoo fart missiles that everyone can notch or flare away.
@@kingghidorah8106 That is by far the most generalising statement I think I have ever read. The climb rates you mention are utter bullshit, remember that stat cards in War Thunder are horribly inaccurate and in actual air RB matched Germany, Russia and Japan always have height advantage despite that their planes are less dependent on altitude advantage. At equal high energy states it is true that the F4U-4B out turns the K-4 however this cannot be maintained as the F4U-4B does not retain its energy as well as the K-4 nor does it accelerate as fast meaning an intelligent K-4 player will use an initial turn to drain the F4U-4B's energy and use its ability to regain energy to to disengage and re-engage while the F4U-4B struggles. This is also not mentioning that the K-4 has an airbrake which provides considerable advantage and can use it to force an overshoot or manage speed in a dive. Regardless of this it is a rare occurrence that both aircraft have an equal energy state. I do recognise that the F4U-4B is the superior aircraft but the battle rating reflects this. In terms of air battles I'd say that US and German players are of similar skill level, it's mainly in ground RB where the shit really hits the fan and German mains display their window licking capabilities
@@maxshell9465 since I've got all the main nations and Japanese researched til rank 6 I can devalue your statement. I don't follow stat cards, I sit my ass and compare each plane in test flights and calculate how much they climb at certain speeds, altitude, how much AOA they pull (not calculated just an eye and finger estimation) and how much they turn, how much time they take to turn and what's the radius of turn, the compression rate etc. If you can't out climb a K4 on a F4U 4B that's a fucking skill issue on your part. WT cards say the F4U 4B climbs at 18m/s, it actually climbs at 28m/s til 4000m when the second gear kicks in. It literally out climbs the K4 if both start with 20 minutes of fuel. The AM1 also has very good responsiveness at high speed and the Il-10 is atrocious at high speed. If you get your ass beaten with the slowest rank 4 attacker, it's another fucking skill issue in your part. You reek like muricrap main mate. The K4 has a prop airbrake that can get your engine dead if you don't know at which altitude you should input 100 percent pitch or less, while the F4U has an unbreakable gear that not only brakes better, it also helps turning. The K4 can get to 700 in straight lines, I've put the 4b on 750 level flight. F4U 4b even out turns a yak 3U in a slow speed fight, for fuck sake get good.
Also don’t forget AirAB when you only had one plane in the lineup, MM will auto lower 0.3 br
I tried grinding the Japanese Planes by doing that using the A6M6c and nothing else in the lineup.
@@winchesterchua3390 did it work?
@@alphaplayzz1381 i think we never know
@@alphaplayzz1381 idk if it works the same, but i use the sea harrier and nothing else, 4 kills every match and almost to nothing of xp
As an arcade battles player, I can say that while most have tunnel-vision, there is always a random hurricane or spitfire hunting the bomber like he will die if he doesn't. So there are some aware players, and not to stroke my ego but I'd say I'm one of them, but I do get tunnel-vision in fighters
Tell me. How the fuck do you manage to play that game mode honestly?
@@jaek__ Because Im still in school and cant be bothered to know where everythings weak spot is, the best sniping spot, and all that plus its better for me because Im a player that came from GTA dogfighting and ground fights, I just feel more at home, but low tier i do play rb for fun
@@stinkycat3137 I have school and a part time job, and I still have plenty of time to play, but I've also been playing for some 4 years or ever since jets were added, and I'm used to other games like DCS and such. Still I got everything down really quick and past literally the first plane you unlock in a tech tree I always play RB, I just can't stand games that makes it harder for a experienced player to do well against people worse than me, but that's just me.
@@jaek__ I am also just now on my 1st year of WT on console and I've only been on my console for 5 years lol, plus I don't like trying too hard at stuff that is supposed to be fun for me so to each their own. :)
@@jaek__ i dont understand what the problem is with all of you people and AB, let the people play what they want and just continue with their day.
I for one play AB because imo its just so much faster to get alot of kills in a short time especially with stuff like the xp55 or A36 with tracer belts and gunpods. That thing should be illegal
How refreshing to hear AB discussed. The invisible game mode on RUclips. Thank you Sir!
I saw this plane on the tech tree and was very confused why a prop was so much higher than low tier Jets. Came here to find out
This lmao
Pretty thought-provoking reasoning and the way you presented it with curiosity and momentum was comfortably appealing.
I remember one time on a brand new map I got a match while using it that had literally zero players. Every other plane in that match was an AI
quite the interesting video; well done!
It started off at 6.7 in air rb.
.3
The 2+ engine bomber meme is so true and SO funny to see someone finally talk about. It's actual comedy gold how literally brain dead they are.
This thing was a my go to plane at 6.7 when it came out. For both ground and air RB
It completely erases entire groups of tanks trying to cap and helped clutch many a game
Too bad it's now 7.0 in RB and gets slaughtered by a downtiered gepard every two seconds to the point its not worth to take out
Usually just better to take out the f-89B and brrrt your way to victory
I must admit that I ignore this plane every time I see it. Especially when there's a bomber. I will charge a bomber if I see it. I can't stop myself.
Kinda weird how you think AB and RB players are different. I play RB at top tier because it's faster than AB. I play AB at mid and low tier for the same reason. I hate slow planes.
Great!
Now I want it!
Thanks to this video, I now have an "Air Grind" setup for every nation (except japan and sweden) with just one Strike Fighter with bombs for use in AB.
Tried it with the Wyvern, just climb to 6000m and cruise around and drop bombs all day... great for maps with bases, sucks for airfield captures.
I was wondering how the hell you bomb without a bombsight from 5k. Shows how much I play arcade...
Just angle it, you get good at predicting bomb trajectory, or dive bomb
This might be a longer rant but maybe theres something worth it in here.
The point you made about the rank 4 issue is exactly something I thought of. If its 9.0 while the f89s are 7.7 max at a higher rank, why not make the A2D1 a higher rank? I'll admit I suck at air RB because I haven't had much practice and using the A2D1 is what got me where I am in planes because of bombing in arcade. Im more of a tanker myself but since I have every US tank unlocked except for the new m1 and AA vehicle, I wanted a plane to go with it so I've been practicing more in RB planes.
Anyway I don't think its really fair to judge a plane based on how others view it especially if its a premium vehicle and you paid to have it. I know wot gets a lot of flak whenever they change a premium vehicle and I'm surprised the same negativity isn't in this game. Event vehicles like the EBR are one thing but paying ~$42 buck for 6900 GE is different imo.
Maybe I just have bad luck with it because whenever I'm in a 9.0-10.0 match in AB, I get chased at high altitudes and have missiles sent after me and they're not just aim 9bs but better ones. The the American demon is 9.3 in AB (I think) and has radar missiles while I have no flares or warning systems.
I don't really think its a lack of tunnel vision from the players but more of a lack of time or a lack of knowledge to what the plane is since it's premium. I've had games where a bomber has been absolutely destroying our bases and not only was I not able to see where he was, but when I could he was significantly higher than me so I'd have to spend a lot of time climbing up just to reach him. When you try to climb, you are putting your team at a disadvantage especially when theres only 7 people per team in higher ranks of AB.
As for the lack of knowledge, its a premium plane so if you have it, you'll play it more often. People who finally get their first 8.0 plane might not know what it is and not realize what its doing. I know there are planes for me that I don't even know what they're capable of and have been playing for 3 years, just not as planes. Anyway if you have unlocked the mig 23 or some other high ranking plane, you probably are going to play that over the mig 21 or most people will. Once you realize what the plane is and how to counter it, you probably will be at higher planes and not see them as often unlike newer players to the rank 8.0-9.0 range.
Again I don't think its fair to judge a plane like that unless its given something else like a higher rank for researching better vehicles. The f105D could technically be put in matches with the A2D1 (Just using it and no other vehicles makes it a 10.0) which is significantly faster than the prop plane and could easily out preform it in every way. Its not really fair how a group of really good players purposely skew stats of vehicles by performing worse solely to lower the BRs and I don't really think its fair to judge the planes on players not wanting to spend a large chunk of the game climbing to its height. I personally don't want to climb 8km to catch it as I've flown that high with it before. Even 6km is pretty time consuming in jets without after burners.
This issue is probably related to a much bigger issue of judging vehicle stats on player performance over the vehicles themselves but some parts still apply.
Im glad that this has been pointed out before. It honestly rubs me the wrong way personally because not only is it my most used and liked aircraft, I paid for it back when it was 6.7 and it helped me get to where I am in the plane tree now. Its just not what I paid for anymore
“Might be a longer rant”
Okay I read ur message, I agree with ur rant
@@OumuamuaOumuamua I didn't mean for it to be that long lol
Hello!
How long you waited in lobby for the 9.0 AB? It sounds fun, but when i tryed it few times, i waited up to 10 minutes and was never succesful.
I would really like to see some ab maps in rb
Theyre too small for that, unless theyre only gonna be for 2.0 and below tbh
No.
I'm absolutely in love with this things profile and kinda stubby look. It's just so chonky. Considering getting it on sale but I am nowhere near good enough at Air RB to warrant getting it. I've been practicing with my SU-11 in ARB but this thing is obviously a bit less maneuverable. I think i'll get a ground vehicle or a lower BR plane instead. Please reply if you have any experiencr using this aircraft
perfectly balanced, as all things should be
i like your videos, but you and i are obviously playing different AB... have been playing almost exclusively AB for past 6 or 7 years and very many players are very much aware of their surroundings which regularly pisses me off when flying bombers and getting shot before even being able to bomb a single base... the same with attackers... but maybe i am just very unlucky... this BR disparity is just too much and only means Gaijin does not know how to balance planes... anyway, would like to see a reasoning for ki-84 being 7.7 while facing mig-21s in AB
And now remember, it was supposed to be 4.7... and on the dev serv it had an engine twice as powerful for some reasons ....
same for the Ki 84 hei being 7.7 in AB but 6.3 in RB
I used to use this to do events all the time 20tons of bombs is pretty easily done in 1 match with this thing
I use the with the a 10 and I just preferred this over the a10 it’s to slow but the a2 can climb so dang fast and get all bases so fast it’s surprising
low tier players do dumb stuff due to lack of experience, high tier players do dumb stuff due to the long grind to top tier make them lost their sanity
or just someone from low tier buy a premium jet
You bring up a lot of good points here, but I still find that you missed something.
Actually quite a major difference between it and heavy bombers, like the B57B is that it can turn and dogfight. And that is why it had to be raised in ab. Because at lower br's, it could easily get up to high altitude and end the match there, all while being impossible to take down unless you're at a higher or equal altitude as it is, nevermind the fact that you had to catch it after. That basically meant that if you didn't manage to catch it while it's climbing (which could be difficult, as A2D playes like sideclimbing), you lost the match. Especially if you already lost all your fast jets.
TLDR: Space bombers have been a huge problem in ab for a long time, so it's no surprise that making a bomber that can both dogfight and climb incredibly fast, while retaining a good bomb load basically broke whatever br it was put into.
It can't dogfight it looses all speed when turning and everything outurns you
@@Leopard-2A6.. In rb it does. In ab, iirc it could dogfight well enough when it had an energy advantage.
I played the a2d when it was 6.3 both in RB and AB people were very idiots inn games against it letting us climb and bomb. i feel the aircraft should have been put at 8.3 in AB not 9.0. as Tankenstein said it is very similar to the B57B so why is a very similar air craft getting a .7 BR increase if their similar. Also i tend to play the F4E in air AB if im feed up with RB and you can do the same thing with the a7d in AB and people don't care.
Also do you believe the B57 A should have the Same Br as its Armed B variant?
I always play my X-50 in 9-10br AB games because I can climb like a rocket powered double helicopter. And I can outrun most gets, getting 30k sl for god mode kills is just fantastic
would you recommend to buying it?
You're looking at this purely from a bomber/Strike fighter perspective.
This thing is an insane fighter in RB. The Power and energy retention of this plane, lets it outclimb most opponents and bully jets at lower altitudes. Using this for a strike fighter or bomber is a shame.
Honestly though. I bought an su-11 to help with expenses when grinding bolth American and the German tech tree. That thing just slaps me the second I go below 400mph
I really wish they were the same. Oh the shit storm it would cause in Naval ❤️
It isn't solely the in air reload, but the amount of bombs it can carry id be fine with its bomb load being cut off it meant I could use it at 6.7
Wish it was a 7.0 in ab. I use the am1 for naval ab and honestly would rather use this but ab score is too high
Interresting
I respect tankenstien, he is very logical and point, evidence explain
isn't the wyvern the exact same as an A2D-1 but British?
Not quite. The Wyvern has a similar engine setup, but is a much more traditional, less capable plane. Similar in that they're both turboprops, but the Wyvern can carry only 3000lbs of bombs to the Skyshark's 8000lb. Plus, the Skyshark is much faster and has a much better rate of climb.
i have both. i only used in in RB, so cant tell about ab.
wyvern is a speed fighter in its br, with bad low-speed climb (pretty good climb with high speeds and low AoA although), abysmal turnrate. it can be fun, cause u can handle it like a jet, and also go fight some fighters. but never turn with them, go fast, go 0-3000m and not higher. try hit enemy in one pass, if miss, go straight with small climb until u are free, then repeat. its not good against good players, as they easily dodge your weeapons, u work with unaware people.
a2d1 has climb rate. thats it. u beat ur opponents with climb and try stalling them out. it works against pretty much any plane, but it also only works against unaware players. good players just dont follow u up, and then theres not much to do for you.
wyvern is more a ground target striker, with good rocket payload, a2d1 can be a better schnellbomber as well, its rocket payload is just medicore, but it can carry a lot of bombs.
a2d1 isnt really fun, i dont have a lot of battles in it. wyvern is more fun, but still, there are way better planes out there, which u dont have to pay for.
i think a2d1 on the batle rating it is in AB because maybe there are planes which can match its climb or at least are so much better in energy retention, that they can catch a climbing a2d1 before it gets away. but if there are jets that can match its climb, then its basically of absolutely no use anymore, getting stripped of its only advantage.
I played the hell out of it in arcade before the BR change, now I have no use for it at all, first time I wanted a refund after a BR change lol.
I've never actually played arcade above 5.3
so i gues i am just an ignorant for using the bulldog past 8.7 in ground RB sucessfully? or is it meant for ignorant othe rplayers ignoring you? i didnt really get it.
its time for the jet bombers like the b-52 stratofortress or b1-lancer to be added ingame
or even the f-111 advaark
Yeah so they can sit at 20 thousand feet and be untouchables
@@Leopard-2A6.. There are still options like amraam, vympel and such to be added
in RB these A2D-1 will often ignore their surroundings to bomb the base, easy kill then.
PERFECTLY UNDERSTANDABLE people in AB in this contrarotating spinner just love go to space and due to the infinite AB ammo destroy every base and your airbase with bombs. If you don't destroy them quickly you are pretty sur that your team will lose.
So thats why the f84f attacker is at 9.0
Is there any way to turn off or hide the radar on this one??? It is super annoying:(
Yes, there is a way to turn of the radar.
Goto Controls
Mouse aim
_Switch Radar/IRST search on/off_ *Alt + R* (default setting)
Toggling *Alt + R* will control radar from appearing/not appearing on your screen.
@@4funrc11 I love you and I want to have your baby!
Plus you can turn it off in options so it is default off at the start of the game :o
This thing is 9.0 in arcade? I thought 8.0 was allready to much
Ki 84 7.7 😲😲😲
As an AB only player I have never understood why this plane is 9.0. I have bought pretty much every premium in the game and this is the only one I wish I could refund. I have played it in over 500 matches and have never lived past 1 min. The way too low BR MiG0s eat it every time.
It’s just like a better wyvern isn’t it? I picked the wyvern over it because 4.3 strike fighter in the British tree made the bomber grind VERY easy.
It should go back to 6.3 imo since it has a decent competition the ne262
Nah, 6.7 or just stay at 7.0
@@envygd4902 but it's ok to have the me264 at 5.7 6.0
I think they should stop messing with premium vehicles all together unless its small changes. 6.7->7.0 isnt a huge deal but 6.3->9.0 is probably the biggest increase of any vehicle in the game
I wish the me262 and kikka got reduced br cause at 7.0 they only face Cold War jets and NEVER face piston aircraft
@@sadlife8495 i mean, they aren't exactly balanced against piston aircraft lol
A-10 in air arcade
It’s at 9.7 now I believe
The A2D is a monster in Air RB and I think the BR suits it well, if you play like an idiot you'll be cleaned up quite easily but any good pilot can outperform mostly anything they'll encounter. Not to mention the 20mm guns on this thing snipe like nobody's business.
How do you play it in air RB??
@@nathanreeves3447 when not carrying bombs you can turn against Jets you can’t really catch up to them you can outturn most things at that br the only thing you have to worry about is the spitfire
👍. Yeah it’s pretty silly why this plane is at the br’s it s at. A prop facing jets all the time. I bet they haven’t bothered to increase its earnings for it br, I bet u will have another penalty when it comes to grinding.. I was going to get this plane, but I noticed it’s ridiculous br’s and looked at what other planes it will mostly be facing. Pretty dumb WT….. Plus just read their new br changes. Wow. They really don’t know what they are doing!
In ab it should definitely be at like 7br
mmm, yes, this plane that can barely pull 12g's against uptiers 90% of the time in ab or rb thats 300kmh slower than most planes while they have 2+ 10g missiles is completely ok.
also, i see the a2d1 every 20+ matches or so
that plane is weird bro, it's like a prop plane on steroids
Bruh...nobody is ignoring a fresh meet on the sky.,especially when you bring propellers in a jet fight...so tell people from Gaijin who hired you ...that we are not buy their lies...
According to 3yr-old vid by Bacon Gaming it began at 4.7 BR. 😲
Edited: Personally Gaijin has really screwed the BR of this plane; way too high!
👎 No surprise! 👎
they nerf it because no one wanted to climb
10:08 Do not doubt, even for a second, the dumb faith gaijin has in in StaTiSTcS.
I hate the F2D-1 and always try to kill it. I don’t know maybe I hate the fact that a prop plane can kill me when I am in a jet makes me look stupid.
In my 4.0 P-51 (the model with the 4x20mm hispanos) I've gotten amazing at killing jets, I have my friend drag me up to 7.3 and I get 2nd or 3rd place in RB with that P-51 almost every game, and I usually lead the team with air kills
It should be at 12.00
play SB you babies
This is just you saying the arcade players are dumb. You don't seem to notice that most players in AB stay below 5000 meters.
This plane is only good if the player climbs and bombs. Should the enemy always climb assuming that this is the way it will be played?
Now it meets mig 21s and a10as lmao what a joke
Had such good times spamming it out to complete events in literally just 2 matches every other day because AB players are 90% brainlets.
I mean it’s AB, he’s don’t matter as much cuz it’s not a single life mode. And it has great guns
Bro who tf cares about ab?
I do and so do a lot if players
AB players dont wanna chase most space climbing planes, unless they have a great climbing plane themselves. A2D always space climb while B57 usually dive bomb. I like to go after A2D players in my AV8A, its a free kill and missiles do lock.