One thing I could suggest it that after you've heated and bent the hook is to take a Q-tip dipped in alcohol or acetone and clean the hook shank then coat with a thin layer of head cement. This will prevent rust down the road.
any chance you could summarize the benefits of how this effects your streamers in the water? Love your videos and your takes on some of galloups flies!
Hi Josh, firstly love your channel! I fish only a few streamer patterns that I bend the hooks on. In New Zealand the Ahrex and Partridge streamer hooks are non- existent so I bend Temco's. The 8089 and 811S are my usual's. I have always bent them using my flyvise with good successand control. I however dont heat them first. Is what Im doing in your experience weakening the hook (not heating first)? I havent had any go on me yet? Cheers.
Thanks! I really appreciate it! I would say that your way would be much better honestly. I’ve tried it, but I’ve never had much luck, so I started heating them up prior to bending them. I haven’t had any that I’ve heated bust on me, but I was always concerned with the structural integrity after applying heat. I’d say if you have a good way to bend them without heat, that’d be the preferred method. Cheers!
@@varnersstreamers Great video, Josh. Regarding strength before and after, the heating process is called annealing, and it reduces tensile strength while increasing formability, changing the "failure mode" from brittle (breaks) to ductile ("yields", deforms "plastically"). So what you are doing is locally changing the failure mode and then creating an intentional ductile "failure". There should be no strength issues except for the loss of corrosion resistance noted elsewhere in comments (and possibly loss of fatigue strength over a great many loading cycles), because at worst the bend would deform under load, not break, since it still has many times more tensile strength than your tippet. You can test this by tying a piece of tippet material to the hook in the vise and applying tension to it in various directions simulating a fighting fish, to determine whether tippet or knot would likely fail before the hook would become ineffective. Tip: you can achieve the bend more easily if you reclamp in the vise closer to the desired bend location after heating. Now I'm going to go and try making jig hooks out of long shank straight ones, since I'm out of jig hooks at the moment and want to tie some perdigons. ;-> Update: After reading this article, I think I won't bother: troutbitten.com/2020/03/15/nymph-hook-inversion-and-the-myth-of-the-jig-hook/
That is some great information! I never really looked into the properties of the hook after the heating/bending process but this sure adds some great insight! I'd like to get a bench vise something a little heavier than our vises. I think that would allow for a lot more precise bends and overall consistency. Thanks again for the info, and I'll give that link a read.
Hi Josh nice tips. Which is more effective on bending hook eye with heat or without heat. Some of my friends here in India say if we heat hook inorder to bend so it's heat temperature would be distrubed and hook won't be strong. So kindly tell me which is more effective way to bend hook without weakening my hook.
If you have a smaller/light gauge wired hook, you can bend it without heat but the heavier hooks I always use heat. Some of the big hooks simply wont bend or will snap if bent cold. Because I'm typically bending the front 1/3 of the hook, I've never had a distribution issue. Thanks for the great question!
Hey Rudy, I have bent a few keel hooks, but not for saltwater. MFC makes keel hooks now, but I don't believe they're for salt. I think I bent one on video when I tied Kelly's Stacked Blonde (original video not Multi-Cam)
One thing I could suggest it that after you've heated and bent the hook is to take a Q-tip dipped in alcohol or acetone and clean the hook shank then coat with a thin layer of head cement. This will prevent rust down the road.
That’s a really good point Doug, I didn’t even think of that. Thanks!
When I get a rusty hook I just clip it and throw it in the water.
Thank you!
any chance you could summarize the benefits of how this effects your streamers in the water? Love your videos and your takes on some of galloups flies!
Once I get back to putting videos together, I will certainly go through my experience with that. Thanks for the input and support!
Would you need to reheat and the dip in oil to try and re-heat treat the hook?
Thank You
Anytime, glad ya enjoyed the video!
Hi Josh, firstly love your channel! I fish only a few streamer patterns that I bend the hooks on. In New Zealand the Ahrex and Partridge streamer hooks are non- existent so I bend Temco's. The 8089 and 811S are my usual's. I have always bent them using my flyvise with good successand control. I however dont heat them first. Is what Im doing in your experience weakening the hook (not heating first)? I havent had any go on me yet? Cheers.
Thanks! I really appreciate it! I would say that your way would be much better honestly. I’ve tried it, but I’ve never had much luck, so I started heating them up prior to bending them. I haven’t had any that I’ve heated bust on me, but I was always concerned with the structural integrity after applying heat. I’d say if you have a good way to bend them without heat, that’d be the preferred method. Cheers!
@@varnersstreamers Great video, Josh. Regarding strength before and after, the heating process is called annealing, and it reduces tensile strength while increasing formability, changing the "failure mode" from brittle (breaks) to ductile ("yields", deforms "plastically"). So what you are doing is locally changing the failure mode and then creating an intentional ductile "failure". There should be no strength issues except for the loss of corrosion resistance noted elsewhere in comments (and possibly loss of fatigue strength over a great many loading cycles), because at worst the bend would deform under load, not break, since it still has many times more tensile strength than your tippet. You can test this by tying a piece of tippet material to the hook in the vise and applying tension to it in various directions simulating a fighting fish, to determine whether tippet or knot would likely fail before the hook would become ineffective. Tip: you can achieve the bend more easily if you reclamp in the vise closer to the desired bend location after heating. Now I'm going to go and try making jig hooks out of long shank straight ones, since I'm out of jig hooks at the moment and want to tie some perdigons. ;-> Update: After reading this article, I think I won't bother: troutbitten.com/2020/03/15/nymph-hook-inversion-and-the-myth-of-the-jig-hook/
That is some great information! I never really looked into the properties of the hook after the heating/bending process but this sure adds some great insight! I'd like to get a bench vise something a little heavier than our vises. I think that would allow for a lot more precise bends and overall consistency. Thanks again for the info, and I'll give that link a read.
Hi Josh nice tips. Which is more effective on bending hook eye with heat or without heat. Some of my friends here in India say if we heat hook inorder to bend so it's heat temperature would be distrubed and hook won't be strong. So kindly tell me which is more effective way to bend hook without weakening my hook.
If you have a smaller/light gauge wired hook, you can bend it without heat but the heavier hooks I always use heat. Some of the big hooks simply wont bend or will snap if bent cold. Because I'm typically bending the front 1/3 of the hook, I've never had a distribution issue. Thanks for the great question!
@@varnersstreamers Thanks Josh, I have bigger and heavy gueg hook. So I ll heat it and then bend it and imidiately cool it into water.
I'm looking to bend saltwater hook into the old keel style not made anymore? Any experience with this.
Hey Rudy, I have bent a few keel hooks, but not for saltwater. MFC makes keel hooks now, but I don't believe they're for salt. I think I bent one on video when I tied Kelly's Stacked Blonde (original video not Multi-Cam)