Nice video, there's still plenty of people who can use it these days to keep these things running. Word of advice to anyone with a stock exhaust, there's only one welded clamp holding the exhaust on where the cats converge, might as well undo it to take the entire exhaust out, no stress with trying to work around the hanging muffler.
This was a great how to video for folks doing the fuel tank drop on a Gen4 camaro. I would removed the rust from and painted all the suspension parts that you took off. I amazed at all the Gen4 Camaro's on youtube that still have the original front and rear shocks, and they still work !
Thank you soooo much for this video. I have a 1997 Pontiac Firebird and the fuel pump died. This was my first attempt at repairing anything. So far, I have gotten the rear suspension completely dropped, and I am now going to start taking the fuel and brake lines loose. I could NOT have gotten this far without your wonderful video. I hope getting the fuel tank out will not be that bad, but I will always have your video to refer back to. I could not subscribe to your channel fast enough. You saved me about $1500. God bless you, sir.
One of the previous owners of my Camaro was kind enough to cut the hatch out for me. Unfortunately, you still need to get at the tank from underneath in order to unplug everything from the pump (or I do, at least). Also, if your car is killing fuel pumps, it might be a good idea to take the tank out and either clean or replace it. Also, try to keep at least 1/4 tank of gas in the car (maybe 1/2 tank in these cars), because the pumps use the fuel in the tank to keep cool. These F-bodies don't have the best rear suspension either, so doing this job would be a good opportunity to do some upgrades too, like lower control arms and panhard bar from BMR or UMI, or even a one-piece driveshaft and posi from a V8 if you have a V6 (which is what I'm gonna do). Finally, these cars were made in Canada. Everything on them is metric.
Huge thanks for making this video. I just replaced mine. #1 be sure to mark your hoses going to your canister that’s by the fuel neck and #2 drop the axel all of the way and remove your exhaust. Just a few tips I thought I’d share. About 8 hours from wheels off to wheels on for me
Daninator, you're the Maninator! Just dropped the tank out of our 4th gen Formula to replace the pump. Did shocks and sway bar links while we were at it. Lazy pricks cut holes, diy'ers fill roles!
I was gonna cut an acess hole. But screw it. I've already pulled the engine and tranny and did a swap, your video convinced me to just pull the tank instead. it can't be any harder than pulling the engine out!
You can just cut the exhast off and the tank will come right out. Slide the new tank in and then get u an exhaust coupler and brackets and reconnect it. That easy
I've been debating on cutting the trapdoor or dropping the tank. My rear diff went bad so I got to swap it out anyway so I'm just going to drop the tank. Thanks a lot for the video it was very helpful
I can do one of these in 2 hours by cutting an access panel. No way will the bolts come out easy on this one due to rust and corrosion, so I really have no other choice. Thanks for your video though. Showed me how hard it would be the conventional way.
@@smokymountainconcealment5356 no mechanic, how smart or dumb are not structural engineers. Uni-body cars are build that all the folds , bends and welds construct one solid frame. Cutting a big hole is no different then it having a big rusty hole , it dont pass either. Thats what it has to do with safety certification. Cars that started to put an access hole have done so with structural engineering in mind not to compromise the original structures strength
@@buffystclair9042 if done correctly there’s absolutely no structural safety concerns. If your to say there’s no mechanics that are structural engineers then for one to deem it unsafe he must be a structural engineer as well. we don’t have bs laws that require that type of certification here where I live. If it’s over 28 years old you don’t even need general inspection. Freedom
Thanks for this informative video on doing this job the correct way. Cutting an access panel may be easier, but there's always something to be said about doing it right. I'm about to do this on a 95 Z28 convertible for a client. And I'm not scared to do it right. Afterall, it is just nuts and bolts. Jobs like this seperate the true enthusiast from the average hacker. Taking the shortcut, meaningless. Doing it right, Priceless!
If the goal was to keep the car in mint condition without any modifications i could see doing it this way. But they really should have put an access to the top ov the tank so i don't blame people for taking the shotcut. I would say if you're going to cut a hole at least go the extra mile and make a proper access that can be closed again with seals and hinges. Just leaving a hole in the trunk seems trashy to be sure lol.
@@N3CR0C1D3 Jewish Motors wants you to be forced to take your car to the dealership so they can charge you countless hours at 120 an hr. They don't want guys doing it themself.
I just started doing the replacement on my camaro too. So far it’s looking good. Ill let you know if I end up finishing it . Thanks for the video man. All these other videos are about cutting a trap door on it and it just makes it look bad
its all metric sizes man, none of the bolts should be standard size. and I believe that the bar running across is the Panhard bar. i think if I ever re-do my exhaust im going to have it un-boltable under the rear end if at all possible.
Was convinced also just cut a hole. Glad I didn’t do it since I have an aftermarket exhaust and won’t have to drop the rear end. I have also replaced all my suspension components and have and aftermarket adjustable pan hard rod so I’m thinking everything will be easy to take off
Never understood why the engineers at GM when they were developing the 82-02 f body didn't provide a access panel for the fuel pump it would have made life a lot easier for us.
This is about cost. Creating a fuel access door would have cost materials and time to do. In addition, they want the dealerships doing the repairs and not customers. They also don't want cars to be too cheap and too easy to maintain over the long haul so you'll buy a new car every few years when labor to do simple jobs becomes cost prohibitive.
I had the fuel pump replaced in my 2001 Firebird to the tune of $1000 if it goes out again its the trap door method for me. I appreciate you doing the play by play video just to much time doing it the right way. Hope you changed the fuel filter.
A little late to the party, but is there a ground wire somewhere that's for the factory radio anywhere near the gas tank? I had a fuel pump replaced and now the radio does not work, I am thinking they forgot to re-connect a ground somewhere back there.
Hey quick question I noticed in your other views that you changed your fuel pressure regulator because of hard starting issue did you find out that the pump was actually the problem? I have a 98 and I’m having the same issue when it does crank it runs a little ruff replaced fuel injectors coil ignition module and pressure regulator no fix so I’m wondering did this fix the problem?
dunmate I replaced my pump after I replaced the fuel pressure regulator...a new pump didn’t fix it...turns out the regulator I put on was faulty. Got a different regulator...boom...problem solved.
I recently did this job too. Thank you for posting this video. I know Brother. I know. Getting that tank out is a little tedious and tough to do. I had a crazy idea. By any chance do they have a rubber hose type filler neck that gets clamped on both ends.? That would help
Can you tell me what the lines from the fuel pump are from Left to right from rear of car and where they plug in, I am interested in the far right line which I am sure is a vent but I cant find where it plugs in?
@@screenwritermax If you're still looking for a fuel pump, RockAuto has quite a few options. Be sure to check out both engine options too if you want to find a better deal, (like look at V6 fuel pumps and V8 fuel pumps) cuz their sorting isn't always 100% perfect and V6 and V8 pumps should be intercompatible. You can also decide if you want to get just the pump (cheaper) or the entire assembly (like what The Daninator got, which is like the most expensive one there is).
+The Daninator, This has to be one of the few times that I've seen a fuel pump that didn't require a special fuel pump locking collar ring tool, to use. I have a 2006 Volvo v70 which has separate access holes for the fuel pump & tank sender. Yet somehow, I still need a special ring collar tool to remove it.
I’m surprised you didn’t have to remove the headlights too!! Just joking. I’ve done this twice on an 86’ but didn’t do all of the stuff you did, just dropped the exhaust, remove tank straps and was able to wiggle it out and back in.
@@TheDaninator it's not necessarily loud but enough to where its noticeable if I dont have the radio on & cruising or even idling with the door open or window down...
Ok so my eyes suck and the screen I'm viewing on is small. I need to know if the fuel lines are steel, nylon or rubber? Im finishing up my LS swap in my 91 firebird and I'm trying to figure out what I need to finish the fuel line connectivity. Thanks in advance.
I've replaced about 10 camaro fuel pumps, cutting the door doesn't hurt the structural integrity of the car in anyway even if you cut a 4 x 3 hole instead of the 12 inch x 18 inch that's needed....ALSO everyone I've ever changed was only the $20 cylinder pump inside the white can. Even 50 bucks for a pump in the can, the connections and actual sending unit RARELY ever fail 99% of the time it's the pump not anything else in the sending unit
I just replaced that fuel pump in less than one hour opening a 10" x 18" hole from the top of the trunk. Seems like you spent at least four hours to get it done.
Hey I’m replacing the fuel pump on my 4th gen and I’m pretty close to putting the tank back in but I don’t remember which tube on the pump is for the return if anyone knows which one it is please let me know
Hi, just bought my daughter at 93 Camaro and now it's in the shop in what looks to be a problem with the fuel pump. Any idea on what the cost to fix would be? Live in the Kansas City area. Thanks
John Watkins I was quoted almost $900 by a local shop. I'm guessing $700 would be the least you'd pay...Just a guess. I spent $250 on the pump and a day doing the repair myself.
Possibly need an extra set of hands to help you wriggle it back into place properly. Perhaps there's something in the way on top of the tank, or the filler neck isn't routed just right? Hope you're able to get that puppy back in.
The Daninator figured it out, it was a full OEM GM official production pump but they make you splice the adapters now for the 98-02 cars and the splices didn’t hold. We soldered it and shrink wrapped it and now it runs perfectly
That looks like a real pain in the ass. My girlfriend has a 1999 Firebird formula that won't start and I have a suspicion that it might be the fuel pump and filter. Beside besides replacing them what else should I look for do you have any other suggestions?
If you turn the key to the on position, do you hear a hum from the tank (fuel pump priming)? Do you hear the relay kick? It's located down by driver's side kick panel under the dash.
udar para português My Camaro 93 did this same job of getting down all the suspension, but before climbing everything I cut the plate upstairs for next time to just tic the fuel pump.
That looks like the bumper/lower ground effects that came with the optional RS package which they started in 1996 I believe. It's been a long time since I thought about this so I could be a little off
Bet you wish you would have cut an access panel. I did this on a Gouger I had. Never again. My 2000 Camaro my need a pump. If If so, time to get the grinder out.
The 'Access Hole' method should be abbreviated down to the A. Hole method. I did the access hole method and I really regret it. Not only did I cut up my Camaro, but I wasn't able to clean my tank. If anyone reads this and is contemplating which method, please drop the tank AND clean the tank prior to replacing that pump! I am on my 4th pump with the A. Hole method. I've checked wiring, voltage drop, fuel filters, clogged lines, fuel pressure regulators, nothing was wrong yet the fuel pumps kept burning up. I stumbled across some media for professional mechanics recommending cleaning the tank as part of a complete job. At 270,000 miles on my 98 Camaro at 20 mpg that is 13,500 gallons of fuel that have gone through there! Think about how much grime is in there from all that fuel, pumps, tanker trucks, crud at the bottom of the in ground tanks. I bet in 20 years its going to be frustrating looking for a classic 4th gen that hasn't been operated on, and I'm ashamed that I am part of that problem. Good job Daninator for being brave enough to drop the tank and to post it on here amidst all the naysayers. I'll try to remember this every time I get tempted by taking a short cut from now on.
My 1982 Camaro's original tank Now has a 1/4 inch thick layer of Tar all over all the inside. it has 297K miles. What happens is the Ethanol in gasoline dissolves theTar from the "pre Ethanol days" roughly pre say 2000 to 2005. All that "goo" can muck up a pump. Often the brush area where it contracts the Pie shaped commutator wears more. Try taking you failed pumps apart as a CSI event. My original 1982 electric pump died in 1994 at 257k miles, all driven in the pre Ethanol gas era. The original 1982 pump I took apart in 1994 has a 8 sector commutator about size of a say a penny or dime. The 8 sectors are like a pizza cut into 8 slices 45 degrees each. The motor is really just a big DC slot car motor. It is cooled by the gasoline flowing thru it. If you run the tank really low and dry this can too shorten the pumps life. regards
Local shop charged me 1,048.00 to replace the fuel pump in my 95 camaro 3.8. They broke all the plastic lines replaced with rubber fuel line which I hear is a no no. Pump lasted 4 months and now the shop won’t make it right. So I’m gonna have to pay another shop .
I’m all for doing it the correct way but after looking at the camaro not really going to be worth any money in the future. Looks like a v6 from lack of rear ss or z28 badge. So I probably would of neatly cut a access hole and then made a new cover from a junkyard car just seems like to much of a possibility of having to replace more parts after taking them apart. Again just my two cents
The Chevy service center near my home wants $720+tax plus $580 for parts. I can buy the pump from auto part store for $370 but I want the genuine Chevy part. I am willing to pay more. I have never backed down from working on my own 2002 Z28 but this looks tough. I have never done work on my car to this extent and I am scared. I know I can take it apart but remembering where everything goes back is the hard part.
Jared Olson it’s a bit of a chore for sure. Advice I would give is take pictures along the way so you know how it was before you take it apart. Best of luck!
Yes, I had thought about video taping which would show steps and where parts go after removed. Thanks for the luck, I will need it. I have looked at videos of others grinding access panels into the floor but, no way! I love my Z28 enough to struggle working on it. And, at the same time learn something new. Great vid. Thanks for the upload!
The Chevy dealer in California charged me 400 bucks labor and parts back in 1982 and they were the lowest priced place. I had bought the car from them plus gave them several days to do the job to get a better price.
Wow, looks like a chore bro... I need my pump replaced... Thanks for shooting this. Why do you have drum brakes? That is a 4th gen Camaro, right? Anyway, good video.
Yep, it's a chore! Good tools, and an extra set of hands will make the job easier. I owned an '85 V6 coupe back in the day. It had drums in the back as well. I guess the V6 models came with that option.
+The Daninator Well I replace the pump - I decided to cut an access panel above the tank and I'm glad I did. I was very nervous about it but after watching many videos, using the right tools it didn't take but a couple hours. I sincerely appreciate your video I should've shot mine and push for others but I didn't so... Thx Again
Después de ver eso, me convencí de usar mi cortadora rotativa. En mi Fiero bajé el tanque de gasolina, pero si lo hiciera con mi Firebird, sabría que necesito un psiquiatra.
Ok, I see you skipped the most important part of the entire video -- how you got the damn tank over far enough to get the filler neck out I even disconnected the exhaust and I still can't get the tank over far enough because of the passenger side mount for the panhard bar, pushing the tank down, and then catching it on something on its way up to the fill port. I might end up having to remove the damn rear axle just to twist the tank so the fill port can come out. This is absurd. I'm going to remove the sway bar links, should let the axle drop the rest of the way down as long as the e-brake doesn't hold it up. Another guy who clearly cares a lot more about his car(Seriously, I can't believe you pulled on the mounted exhaust instead of removing the clamp) actually explained this issue here(Admittedly I was trying to see if the axle really needed to drop down that far, clearly it does). ruclips.net/video/21blWcfvDpo/видео.html
Great video. Thank you. GM should have made an access from the factory like they do on some other models. That is a ton of work but if you have a really nice low mileage original car, what do you do...... Darn junk ethanol gas goes bad even 91 octane
There was recently an incident in my community in which a lift failed and dropped a car on three people. I don't think my dad wants me under the car, non conventional way it is then.
Anie Guerrero I always use jack stands, and I always put somting else like two week under the jack stands or the jack just in case I never work under my car if it only has jack stands, most people work just lifting their cars, fir me thats a no no.
Yes that's the panel. Just a couple of screws and then pop it off. Should be held in with clips. The kick panel is one molded piece that also trims down the rocker panel in my '97.
@Vend Master ask all the guys with trap doors why they keep having pumps fail because they've got trash in the tank and should've pulled it, and never hardly change their fuel filters.
I'm no mechanic, but I did replace the head gaskets on my '94 Trans Am... and honestly, this seems like it is actually harder. LOL (As I sit here hoping my fuel pump is fine.)
this is only good for 93-98, tanks are plastic 99-02 and have other differences. The 99-02 are easier as the filler neck comes out. Either way, the trap door is the best way to go. Almost any car made today has an access panel of some sort.
I need to know how the gas lines hook back up and you left that out of this video! This video was totally useless to me. Also you don't have to drop the rear end to get the tank out, i just cut the tail pipe and took off the two sway bars and it came out. Really wished you would have included how to hook the lines back up
@@chrisj197438 I drive a Honda while my 95 formula gets driven in the weekends. He’s right why would you do all that work for a car that’s not worth anything.
I would choose this method so I could empty the tank and rinse it out so it's clean what's the point of doing half ass shit then your new pump is going to suck up all that shit In there and take a shit
Cutting a panel is definitely the easiest way to do this repair, and I encourage anybody who needs to replace their fuel pump to go at it whichever way they feel most comfortable. I never said a person has to do it the way I did it. Hopefully this video is helpful to those that do the "drop tank" method.
Thank you for showing how you did this. I just put my car in the shop to do this, now that I watched you do it, I realized the shop that is performing the change is reasonable priced when it comes to doing the work because that is quite a task. Also, I would like to add that I also watched a fuel pump manufacturer's video on why these "brand new" fuel pumps fail they said most of the time the pump fails when it is new due to the tank not being cleaned out before installation of the new pump (a problem if you're just cutting a trap door). They said often there are "particles" that clog the screen and cause the pump to fail they recommend replacing the tank, if it is old and rusted or to clean the tank thoroughly with soap and water if there are no signs of tank damage before installation to prevent the screen from becoming clogged and prolong the life of the pump. This also would ensure not having to drop the tank more then necessary.
Nice video, there's still plenty of people who can use it these days to keep these things running. Word of advice to anyone with a stock exhaust, there's only one welded clamp holding the exhaust on where the cats converge, might as well undo it to take the entire exhaust out, no stress with trying to work around the hanging muffler.
This was a great how to video for folks doing the fuel tank drop on a Gen4 camaro. I would removed the rust from and painted all the suspension parts that you took off. I amazed at all the Gen4 Camaro's on youtube that still have the original front and rear shocks, and they still work !
Thank you soooo much for this video. I have a 1997 Pontiac Firebird and the fuel pump died. This was my first attempt at repairing anything. So far, I have gotten the rear suspension completely dropped, and I am now going to start taking the fuel and brake lines loose. I could NOT have gotten this far without your wonderful video. I hope getting the fuel tank out will not be that bad, but I will always have your video to refer back to. I could not subscribe to your channel fast enough. You saved me about $1500. God bless you, sir.
Thank you. Happy repairs!
One of the previous owners of my Camaro was kind enough to cut the hatch out for me. Unfortunately, you still need to get at the tank from underneath in order to unplug everything from the pump (or I do, at least).
Also, if your car is killing fuel pumps, it might be a good idea to take the tank out and either clean or replace it. Also, try to keep at least 1/4 tank of gas in the car (maybe 1/2 tank in these cars), because the pumps use the fuel in the tank to keep cool.
These F-bodies don't have the best rear suspension either, so doing this job would be a good opportunity to do some upgrades too, like lower control arms and panhard bar from BMR or UMI, or even a one-piece driveshaft and posi from a V8 if you have a V6 (which is what I'm gonna do).
Finally, these cars were made in Canada. Everything on them is metric.
Huge thanks for making this video. I just replaced mine. #1 be sure to mark your hoses going to your canister that’s by the fuel neck and #2 drop the axel all of the way and remove your exhaust. Just a few tips I thought I’d share. About 8 hours from wheels off to wheels on for me
I’m happy to see another video of somebody dropping the tank. With the exhaust out of the way the way this job should be a breeze.
Daninator, you're the Maninator! Just dropped the tank out of our 4th gen Formula to replace the pump. Did shocks and sway bar links while we were at it. Lazy pricks cut holes, diy'ers fill roles!
Riggs Homestead-fast LOL “Maninator” that’s pretty good right der!
Thats more invasive than what I wanna deal with so cut the hole in the top and call it a day. So much easier
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I was gonna cut an acess hole. But screw it. I've already pulled the engine and tranny and did a swap, your video convinced me to just pull the tank instead. it can't be any harder than pulling the engine out!
You can just cut the exhast off and the tank will come right out. Slide the new tank in and then get u an exhaust coupler and brackets and reconnect it. That easy
Wouldn’t all the other stuff still be in the way though?
I've been debating on cutting the trapdoor or dropping the tank. My rear diff went bad so I got to swap it out anyway so I'm just going to drop the tank. Thanks a lot for the video it was very helpful
Dude is DEDICATED
This video was a huge help while replacing this tank and pump on a firebird. Thanks!
Great job!! Lot of work! Some GM's have an access. They all should..
PhillLsx Ga. I agree.
The Daninator I have a 01 ws6 with the P0446 code so.. I hope I don't have to get into the tank...
Thanks for the video. Great job not cutting a hole!
I can do one of these in 2 hours by cutting an access panel. No way will the bolts come out easy on this one due to rust and corrosion, so I really have no other choice. Thanks for your video though. Showed me how hard it would be the conventional way.
That makes good sense! Thanks for watching.
Its a uni-body , now your car wont pass safety certification, at least not in my shop !
@@buffystclair9042 what’s a safety certification have to do with a trap door in the trunk?
@@smokymountainconcealment5356 no mechanic, how smart or dumb are not structural engineers. Uni-body cars are build that all the folds , bends and welds construct one solid frame. Cutting a big hole is no different then it having a big rusty hole , it dont pass either.
Thats what it has to do with safety certification. Cars that started to put an access hole have done so with structural engineering in mind not to compromise the original structures strength
@@buffystclair9042 if done correctly there’s absolutely no structural safety concerns. If your to say there’s no mechanics that are structural engineers then for one to deem it unsafe he must be a structural engineer as well.
we don’t have bs laws that require that type of certification here where I live. If it’s over 28 years old you don’t even need general inspection. Freedom
Thanks for this informative video on doing this job the correct way. Cutting an access panel may be easier, but there's always something to be said about doing it right. I'm about to do this on a 95 Z28 convertible for a client. And I'm not scared to do it right. Afterall, it is just nuts and bolts. Jobs like this seperate the true enthusiast from the average hacker. Taking the shortcut, meaningless. Doing it right, Priceless!
If the goal was to keep the car in mint condition without any modifications i could see doing it this way. But they really should have put an access to the top ov the tank so i don't blame people for taking the shotcut. I would say if you're going to cut a hole at least go the extra mile and make a proper access that can be closed again with seals and hinges. Just leaving a hole in the trunk seems trashy to be sure lol.
@@N3CR0C1D3 Jewish Motors wants you to be forced to take your car to the dealership so they can charge you countless hours at 120 an hr. They don't want guys doing it themself.
@@ryanstevens1855 True but not everything can be accessible
Thank you. I did it myself thanks to your excellent video.
I just started doing the replacement on my camaro too. So far it’s looking good. Ill let you know if I end up finishing it . Thanks for the video man. All these other videos are about cutting a trap door on it and it just makes it look bad
Definitely worth the $900. Good on you.
its all metric sizes man, none of the bolts should be standard size. and I believe that the bar running across is the Panhard bar. i think if I ever re-do my exhaust im going to have it un-boltable under the rear end if at all possible.
Thanks for making this. Helped out a lot and gave me more insight to what I'm about to get into
Was convinced also just cut a hole. Glad I didn’t do it since I have an aftermarket exhaust and won’t have to drop the rear end. I have also replaced all my suspension components and have and aftermarket adjustable pan hard rod so I’m thinking everything will be easy to take off
Lol I cut the link pins off because they seized. Watching this over lunch and realizing I could have just unbolted the bracket made me feel great lol.
Never understood why the engineers at GM when they were developing the 82-02 f body didn't provide a access panel for the fuel pump it would have made life a lot easier for us.
This is about cost. Creating a fuel access door would have cost materials and time to do. In addition, they want the dealerships doing the repairs and not customers. They also don't want cars to be too cheap and too easy to maintain over the long haul so you'll buy a new car every few years when labor to do simple jobs becomes cost prohibitive.
@@Spamsmoothie1701 I corrected what GM didn't do for us. Makes changing the fuel pump a 15 minute job!
I had the fuel pump replaced in my 2001 Firebird to the tune of $1000 if it goes out again its the trap door method for me.
I appreciate you doing the play by play video just to much time doing it the right way.
Hope you changed the fuel filter.
keith g w yes, it's a job for sure. Best if done with an extra set of hands.
Damm a friend of mine done mine for 150.00
This was an awesome video, great job! I have a 2001 camaro that I do all the work to.
A little late to the party, but is there a ground wire somewhere that's for the factory radio anywhere near the gas tank? I had a fuel pump replaced and now the radio does not work, I am thinking they forgot to re-connect a ground somewhere back there.
Hey quick question I noticed in your other views that you changed your fuel pressure regulator because of hard starting issue did you find out that the pump was actually the problem? I have a 98 and I’m having the same issue when it does crank it runs a little ruff replaced fuel injectors coil ignition module and pressure regulator no fix so I’m wondering did this fix the problem?
dunmate I replaced my pump after I replaced the fuel pressure regulator...a new pump didn’t fix it...turns out the regulator I put on was faulty. Got a different regulator...boom...problem solved.
I recently did this job too. Thank you for posting this video. I know Brother. I know. Getting that tank out is a little tedious and tough to do. I had a crazy idea. By any chance do they have a rubber hose type filler neck that gets clamped on both ends.? That would help
James Laiola I think the later fourth gens had a rubber hose filler neck
Can you tell me what the lines from the fuel pump are from Left to right from rear of car and where they plug in, I am interested in the far right line which I am sure is a vent but I cant find where it plugs in?
I dropped the tank on my 95 z28 last week!
What did you use for a fuel pump? I can’t seem to find an appropriate replacement since the MU1872 isn’t available anymore.
@@screenwritermax If you're still looking for a fuel pump, RockAuto has quite a few options. Be sure to check out both engine options too if you want to find a better deal, (like look at V6 fuel pumps and V8 fuel pumps) cuz their sorting isn't always 100% perfect and V6 and V8 pumps should be intercompatible. You can also decide if you want to get just the pump (cheaper) or the entire assembly (like what The Daninator got, which is like the most expensive one there is).
Was your gas gauge accurate after this? Mine wasn't
awwww, its minus 30 here Great descriptive video by the way !
+The Daninator, This has to be one of the few times that I've seen a fuel pump that didn't require a special fuel pump locking collar ring tool, to use. I have a 2006 Volvo v70 which has separate access holes for the fuel pump & tank sender. Yet somehow, I still need a special ring collar tool to remove it.
Interesting. I am glad there wasn't a special tool that I'd have to chase down.
Thanks for vid Daninator!Did my 94 Firebird pump today & it really gave me a heads up.So much cleaner than trap door,but alot of work
Awesome! Glad the video helped you out!
starting the DROP tomorrow with this video....thanks for posting it
Thanks for watching!
Holy fuck are you done yet? You better not go on commission as a mechanic.
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Rumor is that he’s still working on it
Does this wk for 2002 ls1 camaro as well?
John Salary it should. I think the gas tanks are a bit different but the concept is the same.
I’m surprised you didn’t have to remove the headlights too!! Just joking. I’ve done this twice on an 86’ but didn’t do all of the stuff you did, just dropped the exhaust, remove tank straps and was able to wiggle it out and back in.
Dan are loud humming fuel pumps common in these cars or does it mean that mine is going out?
David Muñoz my pump isn’t loud. An excessively loud pump is a sign of a worn out pump. My pick up is that way right now.
@@TheDaninator it's not necessarily loud but enough to where its noticeable if I dont have the radio on & cruising or even idling with the door open or window down...
Ok so my eyes suck and the screen I'm viewing on is small. I need to know if the fuel lines are steel, nylon or rubber? Im finishing up my LS swap in my 91 firebird and I'm trying to figure out what I need to finish the fuel line connectivity. Thanks in advance.
Hello, can you tell me where the 3 pipes that come out of the canister go?
I would test it before putting everything back on. I'm sure you did but didn't mention it. I have a 1991 Z28 to do. Should be similar.
I've replaced about 10 camaro fuel pumps, cutting the door doesn't hurt the structural integrity of the car in anyway even if you cut a 4 x 3 hole instead of the 12 inch x 18 inch that's needed....ALSO everyone I've ever changed was only the $20 cylinder pump inside the white can. Even 50 bucks for a pump in the can, the connections and actual sending unit RARELY ever fail 99% of the time it's the pump not anything else in the sending unit
i am taking mine out and the tank has nothing holding it and does not want to come out, am i missing a bolt
Good job !!! Thanks for the vid...very informative.
man, if only our cars here in Maine looked like that underneath...
I can only imagine
I just replaced that fuel pump in less than one hour opening a 10" x 18" hole from the top of the trunk. Seems like you spent at least four hours to get it done.
At least
Hola, me puedes decir donde van los 3 tubos que salen del canister?
Hey I’m replacing the fuel pump on my 4th gen and I’m pretty close to putting the tank back in but I don’t remember which tube on the pump is for the return if anyone knows which one it is please let me know
Está muy bien gracias por tu tiempo y enseñanza
I have a 1995 Pontiac Firebird formula and it looks exactly the same thing i just forgot which hoses goes to which can someone help me with that
Hi, just bought my daughter at 93 Camaro and now it's in the shop in what looks to be a problem with the fuel pump. Any idea on what the cost to fix would be? Live in the Kansas City area. Thanks
John Watkins I was quoted almost $900 by a local shop. I'm guessing $700 would be the least you'd pay...Just a guess. I spent $250 on the pump and a day doing the repair myself.
The Daninator Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.
Any tips for getting the gas tank back up? Im having trouble getting the straps to reach the bolt hole.. :/
Possibly need an extra set of hands to help you wriggle it back into place properly. Perhaps there's something in the way on top of the tank, or the filler neck isn't routed just right? Hope you're able to get that puppy back in.
Great job and great video! Thank you!
So I replaced my pump on my 2000 Trans Am and I went to crank the car but the pump doesn’t even start in the slightest, what could it be?
F-Body Garage ground wire, fuel pump relay, fuse, or faulty pump?
The Daninator figured it out, it was a full OEM GM official production pump but they make you splice the adapters now for the 98-02 cars and the splices didn’t hold. We soldered it and shrink wrapped it and now it runs perfectly
F-Body Garage awesome. I’m glad to hear you got it fixed!
So, if installed correctly (fingers crossed) and the engine still does not start, then what?
Cutting a trap door is so much easier. 30 to 40 minutes tops for the whole job
what is the white thing you disconnected at about 3:53 ? I broke the barbed end of it that holds it in that "little hole"
I believe it is for ventilation.
Need help figuring out the proper way to reconnect to the evap canister by the filler neck. Wish you would’ve involved that in the video
That looks like a real pain in the ass.
My girlfriend has a 1999 Firebird formula that won't start and I have a suspicion that it might be the fuel pump and filter. Beside besides replacing them what else should I look for do you have any other suggestions?
If you turn the key to the on position, do you hear a hum from the tank (fuel pump priming)? Do you hear the relay kick? It's located down by driver's side kick panel under the dash.
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My Camaro 93 did this same job of getting down all the suspension, but before climbing everything I cut the plate upstairs for next time to just tic the fuel pump.
What kind of front bumper is on this car? I like it...
That looks like the bumper/lower ground effects that came with the optional RS package which they started in 1996 I believe. It's been a long time since I thought about this so I could be a little off
Bet you wish you would have cut an access panel. I did this on a Gouger I had. Never again. My 2000 Camaro my need a pump. If If so, time to get the grinder out.
Not really. I'm happy with the repair the way I did it.
The 'Access Hole' method should be abbreviated down to the A. Hole method. I did the access hole method and I really regret it. Not only did I cut up my Camaro, but I wasn't able to clean my tank. If anyone reads this and is contemplating which method, please drop the tank AND clean the tank prior to replacing that pump! I am on my 4th pump with the A. Hole method. I've checked wiring, voltage drop, fuel filters, clogged lines, fuel pressure regulators, nothing was wrong yet the fuel pumps kept burning up. I stumbled across some media for professional mechanics recommending cleaning the tank as part of a complete job. At 270,000 miles on my 98 Camaro at 20 mpg that is 13,500 gallons of fuel that have gone through there! Think about how much grime is in there from all that fuel, pumps, tanker trucks, crud at the bottom of the in ground tanks. I bet in 20 years its going to be frustrating looking for a classic 4th gen that hasn't been operated on, and I'm ashamed that I am part of that problem. Good job Daninator for being brave enough to drop the tank and to post it on here amidst all the naysayers. I'll try to remember this every time I get tempted by taking a short cut from now on.
My 1982 Camaro's original tank Now has a 1/4 inch thick layer of Tar all over all the inside. it has 297K miles. What happens is the Ethanol in gasoline dissolves theTar from the "pre Ethanol days" roughly pre say 2000 to 2005. All that "goo" can muck up a pump. Often the brush area where it contracts the Pie shaped commutator wears more. Try taking you failed pumps apart as a CSI event. My original 1982 electric pump died in 1994 at 257k miles, all driven in the pre Ethanol gas era. The original 1982 pump I took apart in 1994 has a 8 sector commutator about size of a say a penny or dime. The 8 sectors are like a pizza cut into 8 slices 45 degrees each. The motor is really just a big DC slot car motor. It is cooled by the gasoline flowing thru it. If you run the tank really low and dry this can too shorten the pumps life. regards
Local shop charged me 1,048.00 to replace the fuel pump in my 95 camaro 3.8. They broke all the plastic lines replaced with rubber fuel line which I hear is a no no. Pump lasted 4 months and now the shop won’t make it right. So I’m gonna have to pay another shop .
brother i bet about the 2 min mark you was rethinking cutting access hole decision
I’m all for doing it the correct way but after looking at the camaro not really going to be worth any money in the future. Looks like a v6 from lack of rear ss or z28 badge. So I probably would of neatly cut a access hole and then made a new cover from a junkyard car just seems like to much of a possibility of having to replace more parts after taking them apart. Again just my two cents
Dude you have another video where you cut the trap door
@@ridethestorm6690 I do?
The Chevy service center near my home wants $720+tax plus $580 for parts. I can buy the pump from auto part store for $370 but I want the genuine Chevy part. I am willing to pay more. I have never backed down from working on my own 2002 Z28 but this looks tough. I have never done work on my car to this extent and I am scared. I know I can take it apart but remembering where everything goes back is the hard part.
Jared Olson it’s a bit of a chore for sure. Advice I would give is take pictures along the way so you know how it was before you take it apart. Best of luck!
Yes, I had thought about video taping which would show steps and where parts go after removed. Thanks for the luck, I will need it.
I have looked at videos of others grinding access panels into the floor but, no way! I love my Z28 enough to struggle working on it. And, at the same time learn something new.
Great vid. Thanks for the upload!
The Chevy dealer in California charged me 400 bucks labor and parts back in 1982 and they were the lowest priced place. I had bought the car from them plus gave them several days to do the job to get a better price.
3beltwesty
That pump would have been a mechanical on the engine. $400 was very steep.
im doing this in a few days.. good thing my exhaust is dumped before the axle lol
No exhaust makes it that much easier.
Nice, Well Done.
Wow, looks like a chore bro... I need my pump replaced... Thanks for shooting this.
Why do you have drum brakes? That is a 4th gen Camaro, right? Anyway, good video.
Yep, it's a chore! Good tools, and an extra set of hands will make the job easier. I owned an '85 V6 coupe back in the day. It had drums in the back as well. I guess the V6 models came with that option.
+The Daninator
Well I replace the pump - I decided to cut an access panel above the tank and I'm glad I did. I was very nervous about it but after watching many videos, using the right tools it didn't take but a couple hours. I sincerely appreciate your video I should've shot mine and push for others but I didn't so... Thx Again
+Kevin It's a wonder GM didn't include a factory access panel. Glad to hear you got it fixed!
I had a '94 V6 Camaro and it also had rear drum brakes.
Después de ver eso, me convencí de usar mi cortadora rotativa. En mi Fiero bajé el tanque de gasolina, pero si lo hiciera con mi Firebird, sabría que necesito un psiquiatra.
Ivan Arrache huh
Wat year is your Camaro
'97
Will that work for a 91
Ok, I see you skipped the most important part of the entire video -- how you got the damn tank over far enough to get the filler neck out
I even disconnected the exhaust and I still can't get the tank over far enough because of the passenger side mount for the panhard bar, pushing the tank down, and then catching it on something on its way up to the fill port. I might end up having to remove the damn rear axle just to twist the tank so the fill port can come out. This is absurd.
I'm going to remove the sway bar links, should let the axle drop the rest of the way down as long as the e-brake doesn't hold it up. Another guy who clearly cares a lot more about his car(Seriously, I can't believe you pulled on the mounted exhaust instead of removing the clamp) actually explained this issue here(Admittedly I was trying to see if the axle really needed to drop down that far, clearly it does). ruclips.net/video/21blWcfvDpo/видео.html
Access cut out is the way to go, period
The only bad part of these tanks is the filler neck. Every other car I work on has a 2 peice neck and no need to drop the axle
Great video. Thank you. GM should have made an access from the factory like they do on some other models. That is a ton of work but if you have a really nice low mileage original car, what do you do......
Darn junk ethanol gas goes bad even 91 octane
There was recently an incident in my community in which a lift failed and dropped a car on three people. I don't think my dad wants me under the car, non conventional way it is then.
Anie Guerrero I always use jack stands, and I always put somting else like two week under the jack stands or the jack just in case I never work under my car if it only has jack stands, most people work just lifting their cars, fir me thats a no no.
I have 93, Z-28....Before I change fuel pump, where is the fuel pump relay...? It's not in either one of the fuse -relay blocks.........?
It is behind the kick plate panel under the dash on the driver's side, right next to your left foot as you sit in the car.
what is envolved to remove the panel.? I assume you mean the panel that has the hood release
Yes that's the panel. Just a couple of screws and then pop it off. Should be held in with clips. The kick panel is one molded piece that also trims down the rocker panel in my '97.
Thank you I'll let u know How I make out.....all of this started with a dead battery....I believe I'm on a ghost chase.
Nice vid
Thanks for not cutting your body like those lazy mofos 😎
@Vend Master ask all the guys with trap doors why they keep having pumps fail because they've got trash in the tank and should've pulled it, and never hardly change their fuel filters.
Te haorras mucho trabajo si le cortas arriba en dónde está la bomba
I'm no mechanic, but I did replace the head gaskets on my '94 Trans Am... and honestly, this seems like it is actually harder. LOL (As I sit here hoping my fuel pump is fine.)
thanks alot i can do this...
this is only good for 93-98, tanks are plastic 99-02 and have other differences. The 99-02 are easier as the filler neck comes out. Either way, the trap door is the best way to go. Almost any car made today has an access panel of some sort.
Cool. I didn't realize the late 4th gen's went to plastic tanks. Wish they'd have designed it that way sooner.
It made me rember why I traded my garbage SS for a Cobra 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Anyone who cuts an access hole is a hack and has no business working on vehicles. Do it right or pay someone to do it right.
I cut access holes in everything!
No
Damn that thing has rust might well cut the trap door
This dude is nuts. I will definitely cut it out tomorow
I need to know how the gas lines hook back up and you left that out of this video! This video was totally useless to me. Also you don't have to drop the rear end to get the tank out, i just cut the tail pipe and took off the two sway bars and it came out. Really wished you would have included how to hook the lines back up
Why didnt you pay attention when you tool them off?
That's a lot of work for a six popper no v8 ever came with drum brakes
Tim Sacco6g
You probably drive a Honda
Well it has the RS body kit.
@@chrisj197438 I drive a Honda while my 95 formula gets driven in the weekends. He’s right why would you do all that work for a car that’s not worth anything.
TRAP DOOR IS RIGHT WAY TO DO IT...EASY ACCESS ALL THE TIME...
MANY CORRECTLY MADE CARS HAVE IT, WHY I CANNOT ADD IT TO MY FIREBIRD?
its your car do what you want
Also, a12 bolt,Dana 60 &9 inch are readily available.
Also did fuel pump relay&filter .
What a fucking nightmare!
I would choose this method so I could empty the tank and rinse it out so it's clean what's the point of doing half ass shit then your new pump is going to suck up all that shit In there and take a shit
early base mods (V6)TA's&Formula's &later3.8's all got rear discs.
forget dropping tank way to much work, cutting access panel way better I don't care whatever he says why to do it this way
Cutting a panel is definitely the easiest way to do this repair, and I encourage anybody who needs to replace their fuel pump to go at it whichever way they feel most comfortable. I never said a person has to do it the way I did it. Hopefully this video is helpful to those that do the "drop tank" method.
Thank you for showing how you did this. I just put my car in the shop to do this, now that I watched you do it, I realized the shop that is performing the change is reasonable priced when it comes to doing the work because that is quite a task. Also, I would like to add that I also watched a fuel pump manufacturer's video on why these "brand new" fuel pumps fail they said most of the time the pump fails when it is new due to the tank not being cleaned out before installation of the new pump (a problem if you're just cutting a trap door). They said often there are "particles" that clog the screen and cause the pump to fail they recommend replacing the tank, if it is old and rusted or to clean the tank thoroughly with soap and water if there are no signs of tank damage before installation to prevent the screen from becoming clogged and prolong the life of the pump. This also would ensure not having to drop the tank more then necessary.
how much did they charge to drop the tank and replace the pump?
David abott yep I cut a hatch due to the unreliability of these pumps.
93-95's v6 rear drums