Following them for some years now, as one day I got so fed up with some male techtesters showing closup shots of dirty, chewed off fingernails - I for some time preferred videos of female reviewers. And found Nada & her team (think it's her husband) to produce excellent reviews - esp for SSDs. And as fellow Europeans they also at least mention the energy aspect, which is more relevant with our higher energy costs (which luckily went back to an acceptable price by now). But they also go into other detailes like the fact, that the high-end NVidia cards have two video-decoders, which I only heared in Techtester's review. Good for the tech-community Nada stopped torturing people and became a tech-tester 😉
Paul nailed it; air cooling has gotten good enough to make liquid cooling unnecessary and not worth the downsides for most builds. As long as the CPU isn't thermal throttling, it's cool enough, and lowering the temperature of a CPU that isn't thermal throttling will not make it faster. OCing might make it faster, and that would benefit from liquid cooling, but with today's CPUs, you're better of leaving them stock. If you need more CPU performance, buy a better CPU. And a better air cooler.
The truth is, it isn't just that air coolers have gotten better. There's been a whole leap forwards in terms of cases with far better airflow to give CPU coolers a boost!
Air cooling has always been enough. Water was nothing but enthusiasts being enthusiasts- even over clocked there was never a massive difference bc just water cooling you can never hit lower than ambient anyways. Aios are just making it easier for consumers to spend extra hundreds of dollars
In theory, would this new Thermalright be able to keep up with a 7950x that is only running stock? The numbers make me thing yes, as long as you're not doing anything batsh*t crazy even though you're running stock, but everyone talking about air coolers this good still make it sound like a CPU like the 7950x wouldn't be able to survive without thermal throttling at stock setting.
@@UnderageBeerHere Finding out might be worth the modest price. I suspect it will be fine, and if it isn't, you buy an AIO and still have a very good backup for the day the AIO fails.
@@UnderageBeerHere I have the DeepCool AK620 on my 7950X. It thermal throttles on all-core workloads on a well ventilated case. The problem with AMD is their thick IHS. You really need close to ambient cold plates to reach those higher all-core boost clocks, which heat pipe air coolers cannot quite do since they rely on evaporation, even if the boiling point is very low in their vacuum environment.
the reason why i dont want to go back into the ofice is the toxic office culture, disgusting and vile managers that ridicule employees and hire girlfriends for themselves who spend all their lunch breaks with them and constantly suck up to them without doing any work but of course they get promoted every year. since we started working remote my creep manager has been looking worse and worse and is soon going to be let go. working from home is a blessing
@@bothellkenmore it's not great for the vast majority of people; and objective data & studies shows vast majority of people have a better quality of life and productivity with WFH
Radeon marketing department has been run by literal shitposters, like they can't be trying, they "can't" be this dumb, they must be trolls. Hope they get a grownup to supervise them in the near future.
To be fair to Radeon, I literally feel that's almost all marketing branches. The constant lying, belittling competition, etc. all of it comes across as childish
Just wanted to come back and thank you for suggesting the Phantom Spirit 120 EVO Air Cooler. Just got it installed and it definitely does a great job keeping my 5800X cool, idle temps are now around 39C when they used to be 68C. The one thing I would caution people is check your clearances, this just BARELY fits into my Cooler Master NR600 mid tower case. There is about 18cm from the motherboard to front glass panel, after adjusting the front fan up a bit to clear the RAM it sits at 17.8cm. I guess I could put the front fan on the back of the cooler since the VRM's are much lower, but not sure how efficient it would be pulling the air through the cooler instead of blowing it through. Thanks again for the suggestion, works great and was really easy to install.
Jokes aside, it's pretty obvious Rockstar is actually pushing return to office to get as many employees to quit as possible before doing layoffs. So, look forward to that.
The cooler I used for my first custom build was a Thermalright SK-7 with a Thermaltake SmartFan II. Always had a special place in my heart for Thermalright so its awesome to see their resurgence.
Was never a fan of liquid cooling stuff but I respect those who use one. I always just think silent fans are more practical than aio. The 4080 noctua gpu proves the technology is there. The only issue is gpu makers dont sell their gpus the same as cpu. In CPU you can easily buy and install the heat sinks and fans. It would be great if we can buy a GPU with a good heat sink included and no additional fans and casing designs. you can just easily place 3 Noctua fans on it and youre good to go. Currently you can mod the gpus but thats a different task and your warranty might be voided.
I never had a problem with sound from my aio but on the other hand the fan coolers are the loudest during the medium and hot summers even with headphones. They sound like jet engines when playing games. I'm never look back to them after I got my aio.
Yep, spot on Paul. i just built a new mini itx pC and plunked a $23 Thermal right cooler into it because it was black and fit my color scheme, it fit in the case (NR200P) and it runs great and is quiet. My last 4 pC builds i went with air coolers and will not look back. One of my computers that was 7 years old had a liquid cooler that finally gave up the ghost due to pump failure and i replaced it with an air cooler and it continues to run like a champ.
If 20 USD cooler is enough for you...then you never needed water cooling in the first place. Cause actually powerful air coolers are in same price range as cheap 360/240 AIO`s with superior cooling.
I am ditching my 280mm aio for the thermalright phantom spirit 120 se, because I don't have to worry about it eventually dying and it performs close to a 240mm/280mm aio
I prefer air cooling after many AIO solutions (I would never bother with a custom loop as I am far too lazy to maintain it). Air cooling is just so much simpler and in my case going back to air has been quieter than my AIO was and while my temps are higher I am happy to take that trade off
I have been VERY happy with air cooling, running a 5800X paired with a 3070 and the only time I had temp issues was right after my build before I had a chance to undervolt the CPU. I was getting swings over 90* under load. Once I undervolted I've been running for the most part in the 50*-70* range and under the heaviest loads CPU temp swings up to 83* (thermal throttle is 85*) so I run at a consistent 4.6-4.8 GHz. This is at ambient temps of 72*-82* F with a Scythe Fuma 2 Heat Sink and a Meshify C case with Noctua case fans. My 3070 is OC'd to just over 2 GHz and runs about 80*-81* under heavy load (thermal throttle is 83*).
where's the part the title refers to, referring to liquid cooling being dead? i just saw the tiny part about some reasonable air cooler releasing or something, but didn't explain how/why liquid cooling is dead or dying, or any numbers or opinions on that.
FRESH tech news Yet again. Big Girthy Aircoolers are always nice, but i really hope that mounting them doesnt SUCK. NH-D15 Is great, but its AM4 Installation is horribad.
Something fun I learned a few years ago is that a blower fan that plugs into the wall (Amazon "blower fan", used in workshops) will provide your PC with essentially unlimited cooling. The usual PC fans are very much limited by the small size and low voltage coming out of the power supply.
We hear so much about AI now because everything that ever had some sort of automation based on a script/program is now AI. Like those little robot vacuums are now ~AI~powered~!
That thermaltake slip, no no. Dont worry that wasnt a mistake, thermaltake will clone that cooler soon enough. Theyre more than capable and historically proven to copy designs.
Awesome job Steve and Joe! I agree that liquid cooling is not needed in the majority of systems built as air cooling has gotten so much more efficient over the years. As far as hand helds I just don't get this. Is this the 90's again? I use my phone to play what I want to play while waiting for whatever I'm waiting for. My pant pockets are not big enough to put a handheld into lmao. Thanks again for sharing and stay well guys!!
Most high performance "Air coolers" aren't really air coolers. They do use liquid for heat transfer too even though it's a small amount and going through a phase change and what not. Pumpless coolers?
I picked up a £45 240 liquid cooler last week on amazon. I have a very cramped case, with a 5600 non x and a 3 fan rx 6900 xt. Even at 1440p my cpu is usually still the bottle neck. Basically i have the same case and motherboard from when I originally built a Ryzen 1400, rx 570 system (good old am4). The 5600 was getting around 80 degrees and also causing the gpu temp to rise. So i replaced my cheap id cooling air cooler with an equally cheap random brand liquid cooler. So far my CPU temps dont exceed 65c with the 5600 oc'd to 4.7ghz. Fingers crossed it will last.
The mentality of every employer having to "get everyone back into the office" is stupid. People don't work better, or more productively when they have someone breathing down their neck, when they are micromanaged or when they lose another 10 hours of their life to commuting and even LESS money in their pockets. This is a management problem, and a trust problem, not a people problem. Yes this is general, it's never going to be a one size fits all, but I've seen it time and time again, AND experienced it myself. Through 2020 and 2021 lockdowns, I was able to still significantly grow business, get more leads, receive more orders, and do all of my necessary tasks remotely. Yet I was forced back into an office, a place where I was bullied, uncomfortable and only ever had my time wasted with stupid meetings. I'm no longer with that company, what a waste of the last 13 years of my life.
The only problem with air coolers (and I know from my latest build), is make darn certain that the cooler is rated to FIT on your motherboard, NOT just the CPU socket. I tried a DeepCool air cooler on an ASUS M/B and it just wouldn't fit. I had to go with an aio.
I can't wait to see how the next gen noctua NH-D15 compares in the air cooler product stack... Any news on its development? Last I heard it got delayed a few months
I look forward to going back to the office more than one day a week. Because then I can spend 50 minutes in the car instead of the same 50 minutes doing work with my 30 second commute at home. Or working off and on until 10:00 p.m. as when I'm off at my normal time. I come back and do a little bit more work here and there. Instead of spending 50 minutes driving home. CEOs are f****** idiots.
I bought a thermalright $20 tower cooler for my i7-6700 and it's so overkill that I can't get the temp to go above 60 ever, even when stress testing for extended periods. it's so overkill but any cheaper and I would be in the "Offbrand intel cooler" range. only issue is that the fan died after a few months but I just got a new fan and it's good as new. I'm ngl I think tower coolers look better in larger systems
Only reason I wont go to aired cooling is the fact I like cleaning my system often and it makes it near impossible to remove the newer CHUNKY gpus without putting a pencil or something in there to hit the release clasp
I had to swap out a corsair AIO after overheating started to happen on my rig, gonna go noctua from now on, my 2nd gen i7 from 2012 is still going strong with its noctua cooler
What I like most about Paul's presentations, is that not only does he tell you what you WANT to know about what what's going on; but then goes on to tell you what you NEED to know about things you didn't know about : ALL in a thoroughly satisfying manner:) THUMBS UP!!
For my PC, the power draw peaks at 1100w with rog strix 4090 OC, i9 14900KF and asus rog thor 1600w titanium, when just doing the benchmarking. If they seriously crank up that performance that high with the next gen, I really hope it won't come with a huge increase in power draw to match it. I'm already afraid of hitting the limit of my fuses, since it's hard to find a fuse in the fuse box that's guaranteed to not cover more than just the computer. (The electrical details in the fuse box weren't exactly clear which fuse covers which outlet in most of the apartment.) Also, Asuka is the best. Red goes faster.
Using a DeepCool Assassin IV with my 14700K. Was using AIO for about 6 years before that. I forgot just how quiet air cooling is vs liquid. I'm not just super impressed with the noise level but also my temps. Idles around 35C and games rarely get as high as 65C. I was damn impressed. My last Corsair AIO had games in 80C easily and it was a 360mm....
7800x3D: 30-40 watts in game, it's so efficient even a stock wraith prism cooler would be enough. I got an AK620 which is very good value for the money and it's probably overkill. But there are a lot of great air coolers at really good prices right now, and you don't have to worry about a pump failing. Fan stops working after 5 years? Well, that's a $10 fix (or less).
A stock cooler with that CPU isn't enough in fact. But you're correct that a good air cooler, such as the Thermalright one mentioned, will do a good job with that CPU.
@@ObakuZenCenter I have a 7800X3D too. You're lying, or ignorant. This thing needs to be intentionally stressed to run at half of its TDP. A stock AMD spire/prism is rated to handle the actual wattages it uses. The thermalright coolers are beyond overkill. Under a CPU-heavy gaming workload that sort of cooling keeps mine at less than 140 at 2/3rd fan speed. This thing is rated for 192. Clearly you need to be educated in what a "fact" is.
Been saying that since I discovered chunks of aluminum work just as well, cost less and only have one failure point.. the fan! Which is easily replaced!
Tech News is probably the video where Paul does the most script writing. I for one appreciate all the jokes, asides, and callouts you put in. Thanks for the laughs and the info!
I love my Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE with the AMD 7800X3D. Performance is better than more expensive coolers. I've been a fan of theirs since the mid-2000s. They always seemed to make great performing coolers that also looked good.
Great video and exactly what i was looking for my dual xeon e5 2699 v3 as video encoder and 3d rendering farm. 90 bucks for 2x those Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO vs 400 bucks for 2x Corsair h150i and same performance while air Thermalright will be good for lifetime system and corsair until the water pump dies. P.S.: out of those RUclipsr marketitors with over 1 million subscribers - you are the number one in terms of value and then Nexus Gamers and then the rest garbage. Good job Paul - I officially recommend you.
...Why someone even buying this overpriced crap? Corsair AIO`s are not good in any way, you can get 5 cheap AIO`s for same price, that will do about as good, if not outright better.
As someone who still does lan parties, liquid coolers and gpu risers are a blessing. I can haul around my pc without the fear of motherboard damage due to weight hanging off of it.
I've never heard of an air cooler leaking liquid, but there are plenty of cases of liquid cooling making a mess like that. My brain doesn't want to go there. I think it is good to see tower coolers improve and of course it is good for the end user to see Noctua get a little competition.
Funny thing is that there's actually still liquid in just about any good "air" cooler, inside the copper heat pipes, there's just no pump, and everything is welded in, making it very unlikely to leak, and they don't really require any maintenance aside from being cleaned every once in a while, and having the fans replaced when they eventually fail, which could easily take more than a decade with good quality fans.
Air cooler gang! Only reason I down currently own a Thermalright is because when I built my latest system MicroCenter was out of stock, been happy with my DeepCool AK620 though. Have a Noctua in another system that's been running problem free for years now.
My watercooling has been running for 17 years straight with almost no changes or maintenance and seen many cpus and gpus during that time. It is not dead and won't be in the near future.
i got me an AK620 digital by deepcool and its nice to see those listings you posted, seems its done really well for itself. Glad i picked a good one. I'm also on the RTX 2080 and still waiting for a decent upgrade option. I play at 1080p still, 165hz. so I'm not really sure if it is still worth upgrading from, because everything runs so well. maybe the 6000 series
I wouldn't say that liquid cooling is dead. Large air coolers do put a lot of weight on the motherboard, which matters to those who travel with their PCs, such as for LAN parties.
Can't argue with the price on the 120 EVO. However, I would like to see it vs a D15 with 2 fans. And I'd like to see the noise comparison between them.
wait a minute!! so are yall saying i need to take the corsair hyrdo 105 aio i got on a 5800x3d off?? but why wld i take it off? its outlived 6 different cpu's and 4 gpus. rip 1080ti, rx590,rx5700xt, and the most recent 7900xtx. as for cpu's its enjoying cooling an amd 1600x, 2700x, 3600, 3900x, 5600x, 5800x, and now its got a 5800x3d. most of which were on an asus x470 prime pro. longest mobo ive ever had, but the new x670e ahs been nice.
"Liquid cooling is dead"
"Btw. here is an ad on pc systems with liquid cooling. Buy now!"
ironic 😭
how dumb right
that one is a funny
Man u clicked? Yes . Then u know.
most pcs ship with liquid cooling because the weight on the motherboard tends to break things in shipping
Somewhere out there, Jayz2cents just felt a horrible chill run down his spine
Why?
@@Ladiozsomething about liquid cooling ? Havent see J2C for long.
Jay's thing is custom loops, not so much AIOs.
that happens to him every 6 months when he releases some form of misinformation
Funny thing is, he just did a review on a new Air Cooler not to long ago.
Nice little shout out to Techtesters. They consistently produce good content and deserve a far larger following than what they currently have.
Following them for some years now, as one day I got so fed up with some male techtesters showing closup shots of dirty, chewed off fingernails - I for some time preferred videos of female reviewers. And found Nada & her team (think it's her husband) to produce excellent reviews - esp for SSDs. And as fellow Europeans they also at least mention the energy aspect, which is more relevant with our higher energy costs (which luckily went back to an acceptable price by now). But they also go into other detailes like the fact, that the high-end NVidia cards have two video-decoders, which I only heared in Techtester's review.
Good for the tech-community Nada stopped torturing people and became a tech-tester 😉
Not to mention Nada is quite easy on the eye 😁
An invigorating Sunday morning poop while watching Tech News, life doesn't get much more satisfying
Very much the same 🤣👍
I’m actually watching this video while pooping, what a good Sunday indeed
Defecating to the tech news, downright glorious! -Johnny, Witcher 3.
This is so meta. The AI algorithm knows us well at this point.
I’m glad I’m not the only one
Paul nailed it; air cooling has gotten good enough to make liquid cooling unnecessary and not worth the downsides for most builds. As long as the CPU isn't thermal throttling, it's cool enough, and lowering the temperature of a CPU that isn't thermal throttling will not make it faster. OCing might make it faster, and that would benefit from liquid cooling, but with today's CPUs, you're better of leaving them stock. If you need more CPU performance, buy a better CPU. And a better air cooler.
The truth is, it isn't just that air coolers have gotten better. There's been a whole leap forwards in terms of cases with far better airflow to give CPU coolers a boost!
Air cooling has always been enough. Water was nothing but enthusiasts being enthusiasts- even over clocked there was never a massive difference bc just water cooling you can never hit lower than ambient anyways. Aios are just making it easier for consumers to spend extra hundreds of dollars
In theory, would this new Thermalright be able to keep up with a 7950x that is only running stock? The numbers make me thing yes, as long as you're not doing anything batsh*t crazy even though you're running stock, but everyone talking about air coolers this good still make it sound like a CPU like the 7950x wouldn't be able to survive without thermal throttling at stock setting.
@@UnderageBeerHere Finding out might be worth the modest price. I suspect it will be fine, and if it isn't, you buy an AIO and still have a very good backup for the day the AIO fails.
@@UnderageBeerHere I have the DeepCool AK620 on my 7950X. It thermal throttles on all-core workloads on a well ventilated case. The problem with AMD is their thick IHS.
You really need close to ambient cold plates to reach those higher all-core boost clocks, which heat pipe air coolers cannot quite do since they rely on evaporation, even if the boiling point is very low in their vacuum environment.
I took a nap for the Tech News. And now, I regret that nap but not the Tech News! Thanks again Joe & Paul!
I loved the garden hose analogy. It can be used in so many cases!
the reason why i dont want to go back into the ofice is the toxic office culture, disgusting and vile managers that ridicule employees and hire girlfriends for themselves who spend all their lunch breaks with them and constantly suck up to them without doing any work but of course they get promoted every year. since we started working remote my creep manager has been looking worse and worse and is soon going to be let go. working from home is a blessing
I’m curious. Where you are located?
My office experience was always great, sorry yours wasn't.
@@bothellkenmore it's not great for the vast majority of people; and objective data & studies shows vast majority of people have a better quality of life and productivity with WFH
@@bothellkenmore mine was good too, still don't wanna go back. not worth 1 hour drive every day.
Maybe consider getting a valued degree in a society and working for profitable companies. This kind of stuff rarely happens there.
Thanks for the video.
What did I learn from news today, how to take care of your hose. Thanks Paul.
Yeah I have a lot of Hose problems as well. My Hose always seems to Bulge really big when it gets heated up.
Also tends to elongate quite a bit .
settle down Beavis
Radeon marketing department has been run by literal shitposters, like they can't be trying, they "can't" be this dumb, they must be trolls. Hope they get a grownup to supervise them in the near future.
😆😂🤣🙃
that may be true, I don't know, but what about Intel's marketing department ? I'd love to hear what you think of them ...
To be fair to Radeon, I literally feel that's almost all marketing branches. The constant lying, belittling competition, etc. all of it comes across as childish
@@richardconway6425they do their job, as shown by the results lol. Intel is far and away more popular of a name than AMD. That's marketing, baby.
Ethical marketing is an oxymoron.
Just wanted to come back and thank you for suggesting the Phantom Spirit 120 EVO Air Cooler. Just got it installed and it definitely does a great job keeping my 5800X cool, idle temps are now around 39C when they used to be 68C. The one thing I would caution people is check your clearances, this just BARELY fits into my Cooler Master NR600 mid tower case. There is about 18cm from the motherboard to front glass panel, after adjusting the front fan up a bit to clear the RAM it sits at 17.8cm. I guess I could put the front fan on the back of the cooler since the VRM's are much lower, but not sure how efficient it would be pulling the air through the cooler instead of blowing it through. Thanks again for the suggestion, works great and was really easy to install.
Jokes aside, it's pretty obvious Rockstar is actually pushing return to office to get as many employees to quit as possible before doing layoffs. So, look forward to that.
The cooler I used for my first custom build was a Thermalright SK-7 with a Thermaltake SmartFan II. Always had a special place in my heart for Thermalright so its awesome to see their resurgence.
Was never a fan of liquid cooling stuff but I respect those who use one. I always just think silent fans are more practical than aio. The 4080 noctua gpu proves the technology is there. The only issue is gpu makers dont sell their gpus the same as cpu. In CPU you can easily buy and install the heat sinks and fans.
It would be great if we can buy a GPU with a good heat sink included and no additional fans and casing designs. you can just easily place 3 Noctua fans on it and youre good to go. Currently you can mod the gpus but thats a different task and your warranty might be voided.
I never had a problem with sound from my aio but on the other hand the fan coolers are the loudest during the medium and hot summers even with headphones. They sound like jet engines when playing games. I'm never look back to them after I got my aio.
Well done thanks. Your scripting is so well written, entertaining yet so informative.
Money can't buy happiness... but it can rent it by the hour...
IYKYK!😂
Yep, spot on Paul. i just built a new mini itx pC and plunked a $23 Thermal right cooler into it because it was black and fit my color scheme, it fit in the case (NR200P) and it runs great and is quiet. My last 4 pC builds i went with air coolers and will not look back. One of my computers that was 7 years old had a liquid cooler that finally gave up the ghost due to pump failure and i replaced it with an air cooler and it continues to run like a champ.
If 20 USD cooler is enough for you...then you never needed water cooling in the first place. Cause actually powerful air coolers are in same price range as cheap 360/240 AIO`s with superior cooling.
I am ditching my 280mm aio for the thermalright phantom spirit 120 se, because I don't have to worry about it eventually dying and it performs close to a 240mm/280mm aio
I prefer air cooling after many AIO solutions (I would never bother with a custom loop as I am far too lazy to maintain it). Air cooling is just so much simpler and in my case going back to air has been quieter than my AIO was and while my temps are higher I am happy to take that trade off
I have been VERY happy with air cooling, running a 5800X paired with a 3070 and the only time I had temp issues was right after my build before I had a chance to undervolt the CPU. I was getting swings over 90* under load. Once I undervolted I've been running for the most part in the 50*-70* range and under the heaviest loads CPU temp swings up to 83* (thermal throttle is 85*) so I run at a consistent 4.6-4.8 GHz. This is at ambient temps of 72*-82* F with a Scythe Fuma 2 Heat Sink and a Meshify C case with Noctua case fans. My 3070 is OC'd to just over 2 GHz and runs about 80*-81* under heavy load (thermal throttle is 83*).
@@dkindig Why use Celsius for CPU temps then switch to using the most idiotic temperature scale known to man - fahrenheit, for ambient temps.
@@mikehawk6918I live in the US, Celsius is relatable in terms of CPU temps but not so much in any other way.
where's the part the title refers to, referring to liquid cooling being dead? i just saw the tiny part about some reasonable air cooler releasing or something, but didn't explain how/why liquid cooling is dead or dying, or any numbers or opinions on that.
FRESH tech news Yet again. Big Girthy Aircoolers are always nice, but i really hope that mounting them doesnt SUCK. NH-D15 Is great, but its AM4 Installation is horribad.
Really great show, Paul. Your cadence was spot ON....
Something fun I learned a few years ago is that a blower fan that plugs into the wall (Amazon "blower fan", used in workshops) will provide your PC with essentially unlimited cooling. The usual PC fans are very much limited by the small size and low voltage coming out of the power supply.
Sunday morning Paul & Joe will sure cure my weekend cold and runny nose 😊
Does the longer hose reduce the likelihood of pump failure?
We hear so much about AI now because everything that ever had some sort of automation based on a script/program is now AI. Like those little robot vacuums are now ~AI~powered~!
Calling every program AI is like saying everything is racist, it has lost its meaning.
Good stuff as always Mr. Paul and Mr. Joe!
Excellent point.
That thermaltake slip, no no. Dont worry that wasnt a mistake, thermaltake will clone that cooler soon enough.
Theyre more than capable and historically proven to copy designs.
Awesome job Steve and Joe!
I agree that liquid cooling is not needed in the majority of systems built as air cooling has gotten so much more efficient over the years.
As far as hand helds I just don't get this. Is this the 90's again? I use my phone to play what I want to play while waiting for whatever I'm waiting for. My pant pockets are not big enough to put a handheld into lmao.
Thanks again for sharing and stay well guys!!
Why people keep setting up radiators with the hoses in-out on the top of the radiator, when mounted vertically ?
Sad to have missed the tech briefs
Most high performance "Air coolers" aren't really air coolers. They do use liquid for heat transfer too even though it's a small amount and going through a phase change and what not. Pumpless coolers?
Good point.
So did you just say "actually heat pipes have liquid"?
@@bothellkenmore yeah, a few drops of liquid are in there.
Definitely need to clear my calendar and get some shit done
So if I do not liquid cool what should I used today?
I like the hose analogy.
GPU speed isn’t the real limit right now, the DisplayPort or HDMI interface is. That hypothetical 5090 must have DP 2.1.
I picked up a £45 240 liquid cooler last week on amazon. I have a very cramped case, with a 5600 non x and a 3 fan rx 6900 xt. Even at 1440p my cpu is usually still the bottle neck. Basically i have the same case and motherboard from when I originally built a Ryzen 1400, rx 570 system (good old am4). The 5600 was getting around 80 degrees and also causing the gpu temp to rise. So i replaced my cheap id cooling air cooler with an equally cheap random brand liquid cooler. So far my CPU temps dont exceed 65c with the 5600 oc'd to 4.7ghz. Fingers crossed it will last.
The right side can house up to 420mm aio radiators?
The mentality of every employer having to "get everyone back into the office" is stupid. People don't work better, or more productively when they have someone breathing down their neck, when they are micromanaged or when they lose another 10 hours of their life to commuting and even LESS money in their pockets. This is a management problem, and a trust problem, not a people problem. Yes this is general, it's never going to be a one size fits all, but I've seen it time and time again, AND experienced it myself. Through 2020 and 2021 lockdowns, I was able to still significantly grow business, get more leads, receive more orders, and do all of my necessary tasks remotely. Yet I was forced back into an office, a place where I was bullied, uncomfortable and only ever had my time wasted with stupid meetings. I'm no longer with that company, what a waste of the last 13 years of my life.
The only thing I'll say is your girlfriend or wife finds a man who goes into the office more attractive. Other than that all your points stand
The only problem with air coolers (and I know from my latest build), is make darn certain that the cooler is rated to FIT on your motherboard, NOT just the CPU socket. I tried a DeepCool air cooler on an ASUS M/B and it just wouldn't fit. I had to go with an aio.
And make sure it will fit your case, too. That Noctua is like 160mm (6.3 in) tall.
Its never sat right with me haveing an aio sitting above a 4090.
I can't wait to see how the next gen noctua NH-D15 compares in the air cooler product stack...
Any news on its development? Last I heard it got delayed a few months
Excellent video. Thank you.
I look forward to going back to the office more than one day a week. Because then I can spend 50 minutes in the car instead of the same 50 minutes doing work with my 30 second commute at home. Or working off and on until 10:00 p.m. as when I'm off at my normal time. I come back and do a little bit more work here and there. Instead of spending 50 minutes driving home. CEOs are f****** idiots.
Loving "One percenter" Paul. Needs to be a regular segment.
I bought a thermalright $20 tower cooler for my i7-6700 and it's so overkill that I can't get the temp to go above 60 ever, even when stress testing for extended periods. it's so overkill but any cheaper and I would be in the "Offbrand intel cooler" range. only issue is that the fan died after a few months but I just got a new fan and it's good as new.
I'm ngl I think tower coolers look better in larger systems
is liquid cooling still louder than air cooling? I'm building a pc and I want it to be quiet at idle.
Thermalright is doing really well with the coolers. Even the mirror aio is pretty good.
@2:16 cogent analogy!
Only reason I wont go to aired cooling is the fact I like cleaning my system often and it makes it near impossible to remove the newer CHUNKY gpus without putting a pencil or something in there to hit the release clasp
as a d15 user you're painfully right
@@bradhaines3142 like I know some newer boards have their release switch places elsewhere but it needs to become a standard across all board makers
Asus has a button that takes all that pain away on their Mobos.
I had to swap out a corsair AIO after overheating started to happen on my rig, gonna go noctua from now on, my 2nd gen i7 from 2012 is still going strong with its noctua cooler
What I like most about Paul's presentations, is that not only does he tell you what you WANT to know about what what's going on; but then goes on to tell you what you NEED to know about things you didn't know about : ALL in a thoroughly satisfying manner:) THUMBS UP!!
For my PC, the power draw peaks at 1100w with rog strix 4090 OC, i9 14900KF and asus rog thor 1600w titanium, when just doing the benchmarking. If they seriously crank up that performance that high with the next gen, I really hope it won't come with a huge increase in power draw to match it. I'm already afraid of hitting the limit of my fuses, since it's hard to find a fuse in the fuse box that's guaranteed to not cover more than just the computer. (The electrical details in the fuse box weren't exactly clear which fuse covers which outlet in most of the apartment.)
Also, Asuka is the best. Red goes faster.
Using a DeepCool Assassin IV with my 14700K. Was using AIO for about 6 years before that. I forgot just how quiet air cooling is vs liquid. I'm not just super impressed with the noise level but also my temps. Idles around 35C and games rarely get as high as 65C. I was damn impressed. My last Corsair AIO had games in 80C easily and it was a 360mm....
Case pb X
Why no GPU ?
14700 F, only 5% less fast as overclocked K
Not needing any fancy cooling solution.
@@lucasrem "less fast"... also known as "slower"
Next go around I'll get the biggest air cooler I can fit. I have a 9900k and a corsair 360mm aio. Gets too warm and too loud.
haha I had a corsair AIO, traded it last year for an air cooler, its cooler and quieter lol
@@MannElite thats corsair for you my nhd15 was shit compared to my aio.
7800x3D: 30-40 watts in game, it's so efficient even a stock wraith prism cooler would be enough. I got an AK620 which is very good value for the money and it's probably overkill. But there are a lot of great air coolers at really good prices right now, and you don't have to worry about a pump failing. Fan stops working after 5 years? Well, that's a $10 fix (or less).
I went the same with my 7800x3d..the AK620 is very much overkill. OCed stress test= gets up to~78 or so after 5 minutes.
A stock cooler with that CPU isn't enough in fact. But you're correct that a good air cooler, such as the Thermalright one mentioned, will do a good job with that CPU.
@@ObakuZenCenter I have a 7800X3D too. You're lying, or ignorant. This thing needs to be intentionally stressed to run at half of its TDP. A stock AMD spire/prism is rated to handle the actual wattages it uses. The thermalright coolers are beyond overkill. Under a CPU-heavy gaming workload that sort of cooling keeps mine at less than 140 at 2/3rd fan speed. This thing is rated for 192. Clearly you need to be educated in what a "fact" is.
IMO best episode in a while, altough tech news is always fun this one was even better than usual!
09:00 This entire segment was *cheff's kiss* 😆
Always has been, at least price to cooling power and reliability.
Thank you Paul!
What’s the projected 5090 release window?
What's stopping an exploit from simy blinding IBM's "eye"?
Been saying that since I discovered chunks of aluminum work just as well, cost less and only have one failure point.. the fan! Which is easily replaced!
Tech News is probably the video where Paul does the most script writing. I for one appreciate all the jokes, asides, and callouts you put in. Thanks for the laughs and the info!
i picked up the 120 evo, keeps my 5700x3d nice and cool. Highest temps ive seen is 55c.
It's not a Sunday without Paul's Tech News.
I love my Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE with the AMD 7800X3D. Performance is better than more expensive coolers. I've been a fan of theirs since the mid-2000s. They always seemed to make great performing coolers that also looked good.
Liquid cooling is dead.... PFFT. My custom loop will NEVER DIE.
Great video and exactly what i was looking for my dual xeon e5 2699 v3 as video encoder and 3d rendering farm. 90 bucks for 2x those Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO vs 400 bucks for 2x Corsair h150i and same performance while air Thermalright will be good for lifetime system and corsair until the water pump dies.
P.S.: out of those RUclipsr marketitors with over 1 million subscribers - you are the number one in terms of value and then Nexus Gamers and then the rest garbage. Good job Paul - I officially recommend you.
...Why someone even buying this overpriced crap? Corsair AIO`s are not good in any way, you can get 5 cheap AIO`s for same price, that will do about as good, if not outright better.
Some creepy feeling crawls down my spine and whispers to me that the 5090 die will be very much cut down to the percentage level of 4090D.
what happened to the 4060 w/the M.2 drive allocation?
i got a DeepCool AK620 on 13500, i havent seen CPU going above 49c, on cP2077 where it draws around 70-90w..
Paul, as a long-time subscriber of your channel, I really miss having "Tech News" posted somewhere in the video title.
As someone who still does lan parties, liquid coolers and gpu risers are a blessing.
I can haul around my pc without the fear of motherboard damage due to weight hanging off of it.
I've never heard of an air cooler leaking liquid, but there are plenty of cases of liquid cooling making a mess like that. My brain doesn't want to go there. I think it is good to see tower coolers improve and of course it is good for the end user to see Noctua get a little competition.
my d15 has been cooling my amd4 cpus since 2017. 1700,2700x,3900x,5900x and finally the 5800x3d.
Same and even beyond... My D15 did cool pre Ryzen my AM3+ FX8350 too...
I'm just slightly bummed that I didn't get to see the video of the hot dog getting hotter loop.
Good stuff, guys.
Tie??
Seeing the notification for Paul's tech news when I wake up Sunday is honestly the happiest RUclips makes me
Funny thing is that there's actually still liquid in just about any good "air" cooler, inside the copper heat pipes, there's just no pump, and everything is welded in, making it very unlikely to leak, and they don't really require any maintenance aside from being cleaned every once in a while, and having the fans replaced when they eventually fail, which could easily take more than a decade with good quality fans.
Thermalright: *releases a new air cooler*
Also Thermalright: "oh, you're approaching me?"
Air cooler gang! Only reason I down currently own a Thermalright is because when I built my latest system MicroCenter was out of stock, been happy with my DeepCool AK620 though. Have a Noctua in another system that's been running problem free for years now.
Haven't seen ya for a while. Best tech news out there
Cheers, Paul! 🍻
My watercooling has been running for 17 years straight with almost no changes or maintenance and seen many cpus and gpus during that time. It is not dead and won't be in the near future.
I've never felt the desire to add a liquid into my PC set up. My fans are so quiet I hardly know the PC is running.
Paul: Take Two/Rockstar is scummy.
Also Paul: Can't wait to reward them for it with my money.
Reading this while sitting on the toilet at take2/2kgames headquarters 🤷
The RX 7900 GRE is basically just an RX 7800 XTX.
This is my first watch on this channel. You're funny, I like you. Subbed.
I really enjoy getting my tech news here.
i got me an AK620 digital by deepcool and its nice to see those listings you posted, seems its done really well for itself. Glad i picked a good one. I'm also on the RTX 2080 and still waiting for a decent upgrade option. I play at 1080p still, 165hz. so I'm not really sure if it is still worth upgrading from, because everything runs so well. maybe the 6000 series
How exactly are you putting that cooler in an A4-H20?
It’s strange but I like how this man just doesn’t give a shit anymore and just goes through the motions
wut
Half the price of my Noctua D15, very nice. I have made a note of it.
I'm glad you appreciated my review of the Phantom Spirit 120 EVO.
I'm concerned they may put me out of a job if they keep releasing bangers like this
I wouldn't say that liquid cooling is dead. Large air coolers do put a lot of weight on the motherboard, which matters to those who travel with their PCs, such as for LAN parties.
I don’t believe a liquid cooler is any lighter with the rad and 2 fans.
@@techluvin7691
Are those mounted to the motherboard?
Cheer Paul and Joe, see ye next week.
Can't argue with the price on the 120 EVO. However, I would like to see it vs a D15 with 2 fans. And I'd like to see the noise comparison between them.
wait a minute!! so are yall saying i need to take the corsair hyrdo 105 aio i got on a 5800x3d off?? but why wld i take it off? its outlived 6 different cpu's and 4 gpus. rip 1080ti, rx590,rx5700xt, and the most recent 7900xtx. as for cpu's its enjoying cooling an amd 1600x, 2700x, 3600, 3900x, 5600x, 5800x, and now its got a 5800x3d. most of which were on an asus x470 prime pro. longest mobo ive ever had, but the new x670e ahs been nice.