I think this hand leans towards a fold on the river purely because you block the diamond draws and he overbet turn and river it's so rarely a bluff. Also I think bluffs on the river pairing the board are extremely rare. You could lean towards a call on the river if you had no diamonds but since the Hero does here I would fold in that spot it's too sick for your opponent to bluff there.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj I don't think that many do, but it's clearly not enough when there are so many hands like 99, 66, 22, A6, A9, and AK that all could be value betting. If hero didn't have the Ace of Diamonds, it still might be a fold. Holding the Ace of Diamonds makes it a clear fold.
@@gabrielrockman99 and A9 seem a bit of a stretch as flop raises? But either way 66, 22, A6 and AK are way more value than the rare A2s bluff so I think it’s a fold unless you’re up against a maniac.
I pre- flopped trapped vs this maniac in a 1/3 game this deep and lost AA to AKo. King on the flop and river. So gross, very very extremely tilting. One of those you never forget
Caller: “opponent would always 4-bet AK preflop, so therefore he cannot have it.” This is precisely why you should never think in absolutes in poker. Also why you should never model your opponent’s game off of your own.
All good points, and then most importantly what Bart touched on at the very beginning being incentivized to pot control when you're this deep since literally any playable hand has implied odds to call. It would be a disaster to 4bet AK and then get 5bet pre-flop
(After the flop action) Caller: “I’m certain he always has a weaker Ace than me here.” (After turn action) Caller: “Now I think I’m beat.” Lesson: In poker, never think in absolutes.
“I think Ace-King would always 4-bet preflop.” Caller thinking in absolutes again. In poker, you can make estimated guesses on what your opponent is doing. But to think “100% of the time, he’s never doing ______ here.” Is just a bad thought process.
What's a worse is hearing in absolutes. When someone says never they are simply discounting the probability. Any possibility has some probability. You don't get to make a generalized estimate of calling or folding, betting or checking. There are limited possibilities for the opponents holding 1300 unique combos. High probability sometimes gets expressed as always, low as never. Saying it doesn't equate the thinking it as an absolute. My opponent needs runner runner for exact two, in terms of putting money in, I'm always calling, he's never hitting. It is improper use of language that could imply an absolute but it is generally understood that the colloquial use of words is not absolute. Hearing something in the way you choose as opposed to the way intended is a failure of comprehension on the behalf of the listener. The opponent should never, is that better for someone so absolute on absolutes. Follow the rules of proper good play and you never play____ in __'__. I always never absolutely without exception don't not use absolutes. I'm very petty about it in a very broad way because I probably maybe dont dislike ambiguity even less if specific. What did you hear? Is it absolutely a bad method of thought to have absolutes when discussing poker and analysis. Are you absolutely sure in a poker forum, discussing the description of a poker hand. No absolutes in poker thought? Are you really sure that's your stance?
Clearly the caller was a recreational player, you can recognize that by his way of thinking. Local 1/3£ regs must have felt like in heaven having two rich arabs and this guy in the game sitting infinitely deep :)
I too can be blindsided by AK here; especially in the past 6-12 months. I do feel that some good players are flatting AK of late for this reason. I have added AK to my 3-bet flatting range about 30% of the time. Great call in.
Yeah I had the exact same situation come up Friday night and I did what Bart said and told them guy I'd give him his money back if he folded and he did. He was ahead and I can definitely see an argument for just folding, but if he's not giving me my money back and I have some equity, that's kind of bull. He made a big mistake and I'm all for a compromise where he doesn't get punished for it but also doesn't get rewarded for it.
@@Jermo484 personally there is no way I’m agreeing to that and I’m never folding so you are going to have to hit because you’re not going to win otherwise.
This whole talk of poker ethics is so funny when we say a "good game" is one with drunks and degenerates. What's human about letting an alcoholic punt off his stack?
@@srlim Yes poker is a selfish game obviously. I honestly find myself pointing that out a lot. It’s at best a selfish non-productive contribution to society. I don’t think it means you should just throw all morals out the window.
I started to feel early on that we did not have enough discussion of the villain. This seems quite player dependent to me. That said, what value hands do we beat here? Does this line rep AJ?? In my mind that would make the villain a maniac! What logical bluffs does villain have? Did he somehow get jiggy with 78dd & turn a combo draw?? In my mind villain is AK+ here for value and I struggle to find semi-bluffs. The diamond turn prevents me from folding on turn, but I'm done when I miss the river unless I think villain is a nutbar.
I agree with the caller… same thing happened to me, guy didn’t know I was still in the hand, I was going to bluff at the river having missed everything, the guy turns over one card (top pair), then I said hold on I’m still in the hand. The call the floor etc… then it’s on me … and I just mucked… not taking advantage of his mistake …
You can bluff catch like this when you're this deep, just have to use some serious card removal. Unblocking diamonds for starters would help. Also if you think your opponent is playing this polar you have to ask yourself what could he miss when we have the nut flush draw? The only thing he'd really be representing is a bluff or quads and that's just a little too narrow in my opinion
bart, what preflop raise sizes would you take here when the blinds are just for show? e.g., 1/3 when stacks are 3-5k deep. if he opens to $20, do you start thinking that this is a $5 game? if the open is to $30, do you start thinking it's a $10 game?
I would guess that AK is bottom of value range for villain. I think the biggest problem for hero is finding bluffs. Maybe 4d5d, 7d8d (if optimistic), and a counterfeit A2hh? With a turn and river overbet, villain is polar and only repping really strong and pure bluffs. So I think AQ is only a bluff catcher at best and AK might be too thin for the sizing as is. If it were me, I think I find a fold.
I have a pretty interesting hand. It is a 1/2 game with the $5 on every hand. It is a super good 1-2 game with tons of action. $300 max buy in and I’m about 5 hours into the session and $2200 deep. LJ is about $900 deep, HJ about $160. I have KQ suited in cutoff, LJ raises to $20, HJ calls, I squeeze $85, folds to LJ-call call. Flop KQJ rainbow. LJ check HJ jams a short stack $80, I call, HJ shows A10 off for nuts before LJ acts. LJ min clicks, I jam, he calls, he has A10 also lol. I don’t fill up. I lose. It was probably an ambitious jam, but after seeing A10 I discounted and almost eliminated that from LJ range and I thought JJ would have 4 bet a good portion of the time and potentially would consider laying it down anyhow. I block top and middle sets. Villain also 2-3 hands earlier called me down in a pretty big pot with AJ high after I 3 bet preflop and bet bet shoved with a bluff a few hands earlier on 469Q2 rainbow. My thought process was that I get a call from any k10 q10 j10 type hands and maybe KJ QJ or some pair plus gutter plus BD flush draws. If I don’t see HJ hand I don’t jam but also not sure I could have gotten away from it as runout was 7-2 no flush available.
Really? Only 5 percent of the times they are 3-bet, you think they are 4 bet? That seems a little low I would think. Something the caller said, about 4 betting AK in position… emphasizing the likely 4 bet in position. It’s actually more likely to be 4 bet from OUT of position. Speaking for myself personally. My 3 bet calls are far more frequent in position than from out with AK. Obviously to build a pot after the flop is tougher from out of position, so that’s one reason. Another is that I prefer to have the betting lead knowing that I’m going to miss the flop more often than not. If I don’t have the betting lead, a lot of check folding happens. Calling out of position after missing is nightmarish. Check raising too. You block AA and KK but it’s hard to “rep” them after flatting a 3 bet. That’s a sneaky play. Youre not repping them. So even though you block AA and KK, QQ and JJ are liking their hands as if they had AA or KK. QQ esp. Unless you have a very clear nut advantage, it’s really hard to check raise and tell that story.
The worst is the delayed check raise. When you plan on calling flop to check raise turn? A lot of the time they check behind if it’s someone who is well aware of who holds the nut advantage. Will check back turn to call river with their non nutted value. And the turn check induces a lot of bluffs on the river which they’re also aware of. I hate when they check back the turn. Gotta give up or bomb the river instead of the planned check raise lol.
Not to continue to harp on the previous call about the guy that pre-exposed his hand and got played but since it was brought up again at the beginning of this call I will add one more comment on the subject. This caller said that the villain in that hand had no equity. That is not true. He did have equity. It wasn't equity in his cards. But poker is not just a card game. It's an information/decision making game. So, when your opponent makes a mistake and gives you information - that is equity. The fact that the caller in that hand gained equity by mistake of the other player pre-exposing his cards is a distinction without a difference. Unless you're angling, it doesn't matter where the information comes from. Whatever information you have is fair game to help you make the decision that is in your best interest.
Are combinations of 3d4d5d7d8d10d "combo" draws (6d seems too optimistic) reasonable here? Seems AQ is more a bluff catcher on the river and those are some range he could beat in addition to A2 suited. So 14+ bluffs he could beat and ~26 hands he cannot?
I threw in A9 suited. So that's 2 more. And that would be 15. I was thinking 99, A6 and A9 offsuit but you're right, that might be a bit too optimistic for the villian. What a masterpiece of a line by the villian though. Very impressive.
@@MistaSmart the 9 only comes on the turn so A9 and 99 are unlikely to raise the flop was my thinking for excluding those. That being said I think you were quite generous with the bluff combos too. I think even though V has quite a narrow range of value this spot is underbluffed generally.
@@MistaSmart I completely disagree. His line sets him up to be destroyed by a smarter player. if hero doesn't catch that diamond on the turn, that overbet is a pretty clear fold, a call is just pure ego and hero calling. There's no draws out there, and villain should be super polarized. So what hands is AK trying to get villain to call with/better hands to fold. Unless Villain just knew that hero is a calling station (which he might to be fair) I think it's way too aggressive of a line.
Nit roll?! What? He was contemplating a raise and the decision is difficult or at least a reasonable person might think so, it's not a nit roll at all! 😂❤
This caller clearly makes too many assumptions. I love it when people say “ I thought for sure AK would 3 or 4 bet “ … 🤣 it’s actually quite funny.. I put villain on 66, 22, A6 and AK but that would be the bottom of his range IMO. It’s a clear fold. A painful fold after picking up the flush draw on the turn. But it’s a fold 10/10 unless you’re up against a maniac.
I knew for a fact he had AK and only AK on the river. And it's all from that weird flop raise. I mean what's raising you on that flop? He easily puts you on an Ace is he really raising with AJ A10 A9? Not bloody likely. 2 pairs and sets would certainly raise but that 6 on the river heavily discounts those kinds of hands. You're now beating A2 and pocket 2s are unlikely from the preflop action so what then? Is he turning some lower pair (KKs, QQs) into a bluff? Doesn't make sense. AK is the only thing left really. Still I admit it's a really tough fold. You're always wondering "what if it's a stone cold bluff?"lol
Playing the 1/2 tables now for almost 2 decades, I have realized that there is absolutely no need to bluff on the lower stakes tables. If you play semi-tight aggressive, you can pretty much play your hand face up and you will be a profitable player. There are so many dumbasses out there that are willing to call you down with top pair, it's insane. There are so many players calling with Ax, just getting themselves in trouble. So many players chasing weak flush draws with a pair on the board. Live poker will never die. Granted this has nothing to do with a 1/3 deep stack game.
Villain single-raised the CO. So he has stuff like 66 (1 combo) and A6s (1 combo, hearts). 22 as well for 3 combos. So 5 thick value. Will he flat AK preflop, but go crazy post for value? What are his bluffs? Im not seeing obvious bluffs. I guess A2s that have value on the flop and river, and need to turn into a bluff on the river… (2 combos). I fold. [edit: AK doesn’t 4-bet all the time at all-it’s one of the most likely possibilities because it’s 8 combos… so 5 thick value, let’s say he has 1/2 his AK here, that’s 4 combos thin value, and 2 combos A2s that turn into a bluff… that’s 9-2. FOLD]
Yep. Honestly, I don't know what this guy was thinking. When you're this deep, the game is all about set-mining. The game is not about making massive 3-bets with AQ and then hanging on for dear life with top pair despite that you're clearly behind.
I don't like downbetting this flop, this spot. I think a lot of money is to be made simply by outkicking at showdown. If you size up and get raised on this dry board you can safely release and I don't think you're giving up much by folding. It doesn't even look like you're passing an ace, more like an underpair or missed broadway.
@@icems61 i disagree with you whole heartedly. I don't remember if hero even called the river and I don't mind getting it in OTT sometimes either in this spot. Regardless, my personal strategy is to size up cbets specifically in 3bet pots, especially when OOP.
@@icems61 again how is it results oriented when I don't know the result? My post is regarding cbet strategy in 3bet pots and potential showdown value with good aces.
Back to the previous video of the guy that saw the other players hand, how is that scummy? The other player showed his hand. The man has money in the pot. The player who fucked up offered him no relief to get his money back. So the guy continued to play the game. Not scummy at all. The player made a mistake and it cost him. That's how mistakes work. Bart's solution of take your bet back and award the other guy the pot was a good compromise.
Being this deep, we do A LOT of checking on the flop. Our goal is to realize a lot of our equity and then put the money in. It’s not uncommon to see solvers check flop and turn only to 10x shove the river when dumb deep
Forget about his hand man. Your hand had the Queen and golden rule as I feel is never play AQ all in due to the AK outcomes…..Your better off with two lower cards suited
Yum yum... hero is NEVER folding top pair in this spot no matter the sizing and won't ever know better. Fish filet for lowstakes regulars. I would be more interested how he ran up his stack from 5k to 12k prior to this hand. Arabian gifts I presume?
2 over bets with AK in this boards is insanely stupid, I dont blame hero at all for calling down, in my mind this was either full house or better or a bluff.
I think this hand leans towards a fold on the river purely because you block the diamond draws and he overbet turn and river it's so rarely a bluff. Also I think bluffs on the river pairing the board are extremely rare. You could lean towards a call on the river if you had no diamonds but since the Hero does here I would fold in that spot it's too sick for your opponent to bluff there.
Agreed, I think if you really want to find a call w/ AQ here you have to chose the ones where you unblock flush draws
Nailed it.
12:40 “really what it changes is the set of sixes”
It also counterfeits A2hh and A2ss which might raise flop and bet big on the turn.
Since the hero has the Ace of Diamonds, that leaves A-2 suited as the only hand that villain could be turning into a bluff on the river.
@@gabrielrockmanyeah A2s seems to be the only bluffs. But how many villains pull the trigger on that bluff?
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj I don't think that many do, but it's clearly not enough when there are so many hands like 99, 66, 22, A6, A9, and AK that all could be value betting. If hero didn't have the Ace of Diamonds, it still might be a fold. Holding the Ace of Diamonds makes it a clear fold.
@@gabrielrockman99 and A9 seem a bit of a stretch as flop raises?
But either way 66, 22, A6 and AK are way more value than the rare A2s bluff so I think it’s a fold unless you’re up against a maniac.
jesus christ playing 1/3 5k deep is wild
Tell me about it I’m like how u 5k deep
I pre- flopped trapped vs this maniac in a 1/3 game this deep and lost AA to AKo. King on the flop and river. So gross, very very extremely tilting. One of those you never forget
Come to Vegas and play 1-2 uncapped at MGM or the nugget. You could sit down with 50k 😂
I’ve had over 4k stack in a 300 max buy more than once
😂😂 you should come to Houston Texas.
Caller: “opponent would always 4-bet AK preflop, so therefore he cannot have it.” This is precisely why you should never think in absolutes in poker.
Also why you should never model your opponent’s game off of your own.
All good points, and then most importantly what Bart touched on at the very beginning being incentivized to pot control when you're this deep since literally any playable hand has implied odds to call. It would be a disaster to 4bet AK and then get 5bet pre-flop
The opponent was a very smart player, not bloating the pot while extremely deep.
He played it perfectly
Only a Sith deals in absolutes
Nailed it
Bart is right! Not a check raise situation when your trying to get to the river
(After the flop action) Caller: “I’m certain he always has a weaker Ace than me here.”
(After turn action) Caller: “Now I think I’m beat.”
Lesson: In poker, never think in absolutes.
“I think Ace-King would always 4-bet preflop.”
Caller thinking in absolutes again. In poker, you can make estimated guesses on what your opponent is doing. But to think “100% of the time, he’s never doing ______ here.” Is just a bad thought process.
What's a worse is hearing in absolutes. When someone says never they are simply discounting the probability. Any possibility has some probability. You don't get to make a generalized estimate of calling or folding, betting or checking. There are limited possibilities for the opponents holding 1300 unique combos. High probability sometimes gets expressed as always, low as never. Saying it doesn't equate the thinking it as an absolute.
My opponent needs runner runner for exact two, in terms of putting money in, I'm always calling, he's never hitting.
It is improper use of language that could imply an absolute but it is generally understood that the colloquial use of words is not absolute. Hearing something in the way you choose as opposed to the way intended is a failure of comprehension on the behalf of the listener. The opponent should never, is that better for someone so absolute on absolutes. Follow the rules of proper good play and you never play____ in __'__.
I always never absolutely without exception don't not use absolutes. I'm very petty about it in a very broad way because I probably maybe dont dislike ambiguity even less if specific.
What did you hear?
Is it absolutely a bad method of thought to have absolutes when discussing poker and analysis. Are you absolutely sure in a poker forum, discussing the description of a poker hand. No absolutes in poker thought? Are you really sure that's your stance?
Clearly the caller was a recreational player, you can recognize that by his way of thinking. Local 1/3£ regs must have felt like in heaven having two rich arabs and this guy in the game sitting infinitely deep :)
I too can be blindsided by AK here; especially in the past 6-12 months. I do feel that some good players are flatting AK of late for this reason. I have added AK to my 3-bet flatting range about 30% of the time. Great call in.
i agree about that previous video. I know poker is about taking people’s money but you’re allowed to still be human while playing
Yeah I had the exact same situation come up Friday night and I did what Bart said and told them guy I'd give him his money back if he folded and he did. He was ahead and I can definitely see an argument for just folding, but if he's not giving me my money back and I have some equity, that's kind of bull. He made a big mistake and I'm all for a compromise where he doesn't get punished for it but also doesn't get rewarded for it.
@@Jermo484 personally there is no way I’m agreeing to that and I’m never folding so you are going to have to hit because you’re not going to win otherwise.
This whole talk of poker ethics is so funny when we say a "good game" is one with drunks and degenerates. What's human about letting an alcoholic punt off his stack?
Depend who did it. It is a fish? Then fold. It is a pro or a brash ass-hat? Then do what the caller did.
@@srlim Yes poker is a selfish game obviously. I honestly find myself pointing that out a lot. It’s at best a selfish non-productive contribution to society. I don’t think it means you should just throw all morals out the window.
Wow the logic of barts callers blow me away. Raise the turn??? Amazing
I started to feel early on that we did not have enough discussion of the villain. This seems quite player dependent to me. That said, what value hands do we beat here? Does this line rep AJ?? In my mind that would make the villain a maniac! What logical bluffs does villain have? Did he somehow get jiggy with 78dd & turn a combo draw?? In my mind villain is AK+ here for value and I struggle to find semi-bluffs. The diamond turn prevents me from folding on turn, but I'm done when I miss the river unless I think villain is a nutbar.
It's annoying when the caller doesn't follow the golden rule of not spoiling the end result.
I agree with the caller… same thing happened to me, guy didn’t know I was still in the hand, I was going to bluff at the river having missed everything, the guy turns over one card (top pair), then I said hold on I’m still in the hand. The call the floor etc… then it’s on me … and I just mucked… not taking advantage of his mistake …
Paused @9:05. The callers logic is comical to check raise lol
Sticking in 500bb’s on the river with one pair? I feel like that’s not solver approved…
Tom Dwan would disagree 😂
You can bluff catch like this when you're this deep, just have to use some serious card removal. Unblocking diamonds for starters would help. Also if you think your opponent is playing this polar you have to ask yourself what could he miss when we have the nut flush draw? The only thing he'd really be representing is a bluff or quads and that's just a little too narrow in my opinion
@@ticenits1926 You do not want to be blocking Diamonds… AQ of Hearts is a better call (if any call is a “better” call.. this is just a fold.)
@@mjriemen sorry i was using dictation and that was supposed to say "UNblocking diamonds"
the flop raise and 6 on the river narrows his range down to AK followed by 22…
bart, what preflop raise sizes would you take here when the blinds are just for show? e.g., 1/3 when stacks are 3-5k deep. if he opens to $20, do you start thinking that this is a $5 game? if the open is to $30, do you start thinking it's a $10 game?
I would guess that AK is bottom of value range for villain. I think the biggest problem for hero is finding bluffs. Maybe 4d5d, 7d8d (if optimistic), and a counterfeit A2hh? With a turn and river overbet, villain is polar and only repping really strong and pure bluffs. So I think AQ is only a bluff catcher at best and AK might be too thin for the sizing as is. If it were me, I think I find a fold.
I have a pretty interesting hand. It is a 1/2 game with the $5 on every hand. It is a super good 1-2 game with tons of action. $300 max buy in and I’m about 5 hours into the session and $2200 deep. LJ is about $900 deep, HJ about $160. I have KQ suited in cutoff, LJ raises to $20, HJ calls, I squeeze $85, folds to LJ-call call. Flop KQJ rainbow. LJ check HJ jams a short stack $80, I call, HJ shows A10 off for nuts before LJ acts. LJ min clicks, I jam, he calls, he has A10 also lol. I don’t fill up. I lose.
It was probably an ambitious jam, but after seeing A10 I discounted and almost eliminated that from LJ range and I thought JJ would have 4 bet a good portion of the time and potentially would consider laying it down anyhow. I block top and middle sets. Villain also 2-3 hands earlier called me down in a pretty big pot with AJ high after I 3 bet preflop and bet bet shoved with a bluff a few hands earlier on 469Q2 rainbow. My thought process was that I get a call from any k10 q10 j10 type hands and maybe KJ QJ or some pair plus gutter plus BD flush draws. If I don’t see HJ hand I don’t jam but also not sure I could have gotten away from it as runout was 7-2 no flush available.
I didn’t add but is relevant - when HJ shows his A10 only I see it, LJ did not see it as HJ didn’t realize he was still in the pot
Was this at The Vic? I play there too.
A nit roll by definition means the caller was thinking about folding. Dwan was never folding.
No… a nit roll means he was never thinking about folding.
@@mjriemen I’m sorry that’s just not right. What you’re describing is called a slow roll.
What video is he talking about in the intro?
I get this isn’t the usual 1/3 game but how many 4 bets do you see 2/5 let alone 1/3. AKo probably gets 4 bet 5% of the time at my 2/5 game
Really? Only 5 percent of the times they are 3-bet, you think they are 4 bet? That seems a little low I would think.
Something the caller said, about 4 betting AK in position… emphasizing the likely 4 bet in position. It’s actually more likely to be 4 bet from OUT of position. Speaking for myself personally. My 3 bet calls are far more frequent in position than from out with AK. Obviously to build a pot after the flop is tougher from out of position, so that’s one reason. Another is that I prefer to have the betting lead knowing that I’m going to miss the flop more often than not. If I don’t have the betting lead, a lot of check folding happens. Calling out of position after missing is nightmarish. Check raising too. You block AA and KK but it’s hard to “rep” them after flatting a 3 bet. That’s a sneaky play. Youre not repping them. So even though you block AA and KK, QQ and JJ are liking their hands as if they had AA or KK. QQ esp. Unless you have a very clear nut advantage, it’s really hard to check raise and tell that story.
The worst is the delayed check raise.
When you plan on calling flop to check raise turn? A lot of the time they check behind if it’s someone who is well aware of who holds the nut advantage. Will check back turn to call river with their non nutted value. And the turn check induces a lot of bluffs on the river which they’re also aware of.
I hate when they check back the turn. Gotta give up or bomb the river instead of the planned check raise lol.
Really? Players will not only 4-bet, but stack off with AK at my 5/5 game. I stacked AQ for a 2.4k pot about 2 hours ago.
I've been seeing a lot of AQ and AK not opting to reraise in position lately.
Because they don't want to get five bet
I flat 3-bets on with AK and 30% of the time now for deception, especially against strong opponents. You are just not expected to do it.
I would fold the river for sure, because I dont beat very many hands.
Would you fold to an overbet every time you only have top pair strong kicker?
@@WillPage most of the time, especially if it's a jam
Not to continue to harp on the previous call about the guy that pre-exposed his hand and got played but since it was brought up again at the beginning of this call I will add one more comment on the subject.
This caller said that the villain in that hand had no equity. That is not true. He did have equity. It wasn't equity in his cards. But poker is not just a card game. It's an information/decision making game. So, when your opponent makes a mistake and gives you information - that is equity. The fact that the caller in that hand gained equity by mistake of the other player pre-exposing his cards is a distinction without a difference. Unless you're angling, it doesn't matter where the information comes from. Whatever information you have is fair game to help you make the decision that is in your best interest.
Are combinations of 3d4d5d7d8d10d "combo" draws (6d seems too optimistic) reasonable here? Seems AQ is more a bluff catcher on the river and those are some range he could beat in addition to A2 suited. So 14+ bluffs he could beat and ~26 hands he cannot?
26 hands he can’t beat? That seems like way too many.
AK is 8. A6s is 1. 66 is 1. 22 is 3. So that’s 13 combos.
Where are you getting another 13 from?
I threw in A9 suited. So that's 2 more. And that would be 15. I was thinking 99, A6 and A9 offsuit but you're right, that might be a bit too optimistic for the villian.
What a masterpiece of a line by the villian though. Very impressive.
@@MistaSmart the 9 only comes on the turn so A9 and 99 are unlikely to raise the flop was my thinking for excluding those.
That being said I think you were quite generous with the bluff combos too.
I think even though V has quite a narrow range of value this spot is underbluffed generally.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj I was a bit more generous on ranges because of hero small c-bet on the flop.
@@MistaSmart I completely disagree. His line sets him up to be destroyed by a smarter player. if hero doesn't catch that diamond on the turn, that overbet is a pretty clear fold, a call is just pure ego and hero calling. There's no draws out there, and villain should be super polarized. So what hands is AK trying to get villain to call with/better hands to fold. Unless Villain just knew that hero is a calling station (which he might to be fair) I think it's way too aggressive of a line.
Nit roll?! What? He was contemplating a raise and the decision is difficult or at least a reasonable person might think so, it's not a nit roll at all! 😂❤
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I play at the Vic quite often and I feel like I’ve taken this caller’s money on multiple occasions…😂😂
what are the rules and regs for playing in the uk casinos? e.g tax on winnings etc
@@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511 No tax!
Honestly in position facing a 3 bet pre I'd flat with AK probably about half the time.
This caller clearly makes too many assumptions. I love it when people say “ I thought for sure AK would 3 or 4 bet “ … 🤣 it’s actually quite funny.. I put villain on 66, 22, A6 and AK but that would be the bottom of his range IMO. It’s a clear fold. A painful fold after picking up the flush draw on the turn. But it’s a fold 10/10 unless you’re up against a maniac.
I knew for a fact he had AK and only AK on the river. And it's all from that weird flop raise. I mean what's raising you on that flop? He easily puts you on an Ace is he really raising with AJ A10 A9? Not bloody likely. 2 pairs and sets would certainly raise but that 6 on the river heavily discounts those kinds of hands. You're now beating A2 and pocket 2s are unlikely from the preflop action so what then? Is he turning some lower pair (KKs, QQs) into a bluff? Doesn't make sense. AK is the only thing left really. Still I admit it's a really tough fold. You're always wondering "what if it's a stone cold bluff?"lol
Bart needs a mute button for when his callers try to interrupt him.
He needs to cap the callers at 3 minutes of talking. We’re here for the expert analysis, not what the callers think
8:00 it's a fold. (Haven't seen next street yet).
No reraise, no call.
Florida games need bigger caps/match the stack desperately. They play like texas but without the stack depth and it’s nuts😂🤣
what is MDF?
AK doesn’t 4 bet in position because AK doesn’t want all the Ax to fold pre flop
AK 4 bets extremely often my man. What are you talking about?
@@WillPage out of position yes but not in position.
Having 5K in a 1-3 table is un heard of. But calling that river eith AQ was a NoNo but he learned hopefully
Playing the 1/2 tables now for almost 2 decades, I have realized that there is absolutely no need to bluff on the lower stakes tables. If you play semi-tight aggressive, you can pretty much play your hand face up and you will be a profitable player. There are so many dumbasses out there that are willing to call you down with top pair, it's insane. There are so many players calling with Ax, just getting themselves in trouble. So many players chasing weak flush draws with a pair on the board. Live poker will never die. Granted this has nothing to do with a 1/3 deep stack game.
Villain single-raised the CO.
So he has stuff like 66 (1 combo) and A6s (1 combo, hearts). 22 as well for 3 combos. So 5 thick value. Will he flat AK preflop, but go crazy post for value?
What are his bluffs? Im not seeing obvious bluffs. I guess A2s that have value on the flop and river, and need to turn into a bluff on the river… (2 combos). I fold.
[edit: AK doesn’t 4-bet all the time at all-it’s one of the most likely possibilities because it’s 8 combos… so 5 thick value, let’s say he has 1/2 his AK here, that’s 4 combos thin value, and 2 combos A2s that turn into a bluff… that’s 9-2. FOLD]
And that’s assuming V has the balls to turn A2s into a bluff on the river when hero’s hand looks so much like AK that won’t fold.
Easiest fold. Minimum AK there
Especially with caller blocking lots of diamond draws on the turn. You don’t want a diamond in your hand to make that call.
Yep. Honestly, I don't know what this guy was thinking. When you're this deep, the game is all about set-mining. The game is not about making massive 3-bets with AQ and then hanging on for dear life with top pair despite that you're clearly behind.
well played
How do you not fold AQ here what a creddy caller 5k deep in 1/3 and ur stacking off this light with someone
This is why I stay at 1-3. Yes I could move up but why make my life harder when players at 1-3 seem to be Alergic to their money. 😂
I don't like downbetting this flop, this spot. I think a lot of money is to be made simply by outkicking at showdown. If you size up and get raised on this dry board you can safely release and I don't think you're giving up much by folding. It doesn't even look like you're passing an ace, more like an underpair or missed broadway.
How so?
@@icems61 i disagree with you whole heartedly. I don't remember if hero even called the river and I don't mind getting it in OTT sometimes either in this spot. Regardless, my personal strategy is to size up cbets specifically in 3bet pots, especially when OOP.
My reasoning for sizing up flop is in my OP and worth another read
@@icems61 no, my thinking is value , not feigning weakness with a big bet. Please sir, read what I wrote at face value
@@icems61 again how is it results oriented when I don't know the result? My post is regarding cbet strategy in 3bet pots and potential showdown value with good aces.
If v is structuring bleffs than diamonds is bad combo to have. Mdf + blockers fold. Especially when he has AK for value
Back to the previous video of the guy that saw the other players hand, how is that scummy? The other player showed his hand. The man has money in the pot. The player who fucked up offered him no relief to get his money back. So the guy continued to play the game. Not scummy at all. The player made a mistake and it cost him. That's how mistakes work. Bart's solution of take your bet back and award the other guy the pot was a good compromise.
Being this deep, we do A LOT of checking on the flop. Our goal is to realize a lot of our equity and then put the money in. It’s not uncommon to see solvers check flop and turn only to 10x shove the river when dumb deep
Expecting a 4 Bet in 1-3 is level 1 thinking. Have to adapt to the player... you see a 4 bet in 1-3 when they have aces or kings.
Max value from opponent putting in 1250 bigs with one pair and getting called
At this level people almost never 4 bet, especially with AK
Forget about his hand man. Your hand had the Queen and golden rule as I feel is never play AQ all in due to the AK outcomes…..Your better off with two lower cards suited
Betting more than pot must be a UK thing
6x of diamonds also reasonable here
Yum yum... hero is NEVER folding top pair in this spot no matter the sizing and won't ever know better. Fish filet for lowstakes regulars.
I would be more interested how he ran up his stack from 5k to 12k prior to this hand. Arabian gifts I presume?
I don’t like his line with the Queen in his hand. Villain has worse case AK
This is 1 - 3 you have to fold . He has AK offs and all the 67 of Diamonds
AQ is almost never good here at this level.
Easy fold given villain line
AK never crossed my mind? What a donk. Bart stop saying it was a nit roll it was slow roll.
2 over bets with AK in this boards is insanely stupid, I dont blame hero at all for calling down, in my mind this was either full house or better or a bluff.
Villain is an animal
The scummiest part was showing the hand. The rest is kinda whatever, protect your cards and don’t turn them over preemptively
Eh. Protect your cards. If its a rec player I tell alert them if its a reg I will bust them. Its part of the game.
I think Hero has to jam here… opponent may have AK
they can have suited at or aj easy. of spades.
ak , i thin kowuld value more. lower river bet, but depend so n player.
its a1 hadnd pre flop and your the game organizer, just fold
easy
ak is betting 15500 on river not 2k
but yougot to pla the player.