When I went to China. Delivery was super convenient and quick. I knew that they were hard working but I did not know it was that bad 😢 hope for reform and new laws soon. They need to have a delivery worker union, so they do not need to compete against each other nor race to the bottom.
Workers union in China is not allowed. Wild competition is allowed. Excess regulation and workers right protection like in the Western countries have long term consequences.
In china there are no unions, no deals between corporations, nothing is allowed. You enter the rat race once you're born and leave it upon retirement or death
I worked as a delivery driver for 2 months then I quit, not just the company is scamming us, but also the customers, one time I had an order to take someone 5km, but i ended up driving her 12km, but she only had to pay for 5 since it's already in the system, while in another instance, a customer ordered me the transport a fricking fridge, on my motorcycle then proceeded to yell at me for refusing.
I live in Beijing. I finally worked out how to give tips to delivery drivers on Meituan last year. (I don'y speak Chinese 😏) You can see how many people have given tips to a driver and I was shocked at how low it is. It's maybe a couple of times a month. Why don't people at least tip? They must know how badly you are paid.
Same thing happen all over the world. The delivery company took WAY TOO MUCH share from their drivers. Making the amount they receive not worth it anymore.
I used to work full time as Uber in USA, although the disrespect is different, I fully understand the slow down and loss of income as well as there being too many delivery people flooding the market.
This way of doing gig work has been a major issue globally. We see the same in the US/EU and likely in most countries where Gig work has little to no protection. People are hired as individual contractors instead of employees putting all the risk with the worker while the company who really just operates the platform makes bank. Unionization is the only way to break out of this.
The algorithms for food delivery people in Indonesia is also equally dehumanising. It looks like our local companies modelled it after what's tormenting these guys. I always try to tip because with how cheap my subscription is & the crazy food discounts, you've got to wonder what they actually earn in the end?
Competition creates "innovations" but at the same time it can also lead to "exploitations". When the companies starts the pricing war, it is a win-win for the company and the consumers, but it is a "bad news" for the delivery men. This kind of competition is so cancerous. Any government on earth should do more on regulating the delivery apps to protect the livelihood of delivery men. Since all of them are economically vulnerable people, if any government wants to develop its own delivery app as part of their socialist platform, I don't think it is a bad idea at all.
I respect and sympathize with these people who bring convenience to our lives regardless of the scorching heat or the cold winter, day or night. I always feel that the delivery time requirements on their platform are too strict. In addition, if they want to deliver the goods to your door, they will inevitably have conflicts with the security personnel hired by the community. The government should formulate corresponding policies in this regard.
Unfortunately something similar also happens Indonesia. Gojek and Grab ride hauling apps at first pay their drivers quite well leading to many people becoming drivers. After many years, the companies are running out of investor's money and started increasing the amount they take for every payments and in some cases until 30-40% of every payment are taken to the companies instead of the drivers but the price stays low because they don't want to lose customers. Yet these companies still spend a lot of money paying famous people for advertising.
I am Chinese. There are multiple reasons causing this issue. Firstly, the main users who order delivery are still not wealthy enough. Although they are referred to as "middle-class," they have limited budgets and are price-sensitive. If platforms increase the delivery fees for riders, customers may choose other options. Secondly, customers are under the pressure of the "996 culture," leading to the fast-paced nature of society as a whole. Finally, there are insufficient decent job opportunities. According to statistics, among delivery riders nationwide, the proportion of those with an associate degree or higher is 30%(including about 10% with bachelor’s and master’s degrees), resulting in intense competition.
Everyone wants cheap delivery. Everyone wants to get paid the most for their time. Companies want to maximize profit. You can't have all three happening at once. The more people hear about getting paid more, the more people want to do it, and the less they get paid.
Dont do this job. It doesnt pay well. It operate as gig work under demand and supply principle. When more people do delivery work it also cause people who order foods to pay higher delivery charges as well in order to pay for the increased volume of people doing the delivery. Everyone end up miserable over it.
@@Andy0770 yeah of course rather than having people earning less than they can eat, we should pay more instead of seeing people beneath you begging and suffering
@@Andy0770 Should other people in my community be able to live a decent life when they work hard? BTW, a 'tipping culture' is not what's needed. Living wages and fair working conditions are what is needed. Otherwise China will be even more like America.
read tipping culture history to know why it literally is a cooperation scam. Go ahead and watch the cooperation guilt trip people into paying 50% tip sooner or later.
It's an easy entry level, easy to be replaced job. Now it's overcrowded. If you don't do it, others will. People rushed in like bee for honey. Surely the bubble will burst.
The problem is some baoan who think they’re superior than these drivers. In my xiao qu, one guy was asking where the building is and instead of answering he started yelling and ask him to look for it himself meanwhile the baoan is just smoking and watching douyin… as a daily user, i always try to give 5* review
When your spitting in your plate and you live in America or Europe,remember this thing : it can be bad but actually is the less worse of the choices you have.
This industry never provided these guys or Didi driver a stable income. These guys are super hard working and have always made a pittance. But the real issue is that if they are late or someone complains, however unfounded it is then they get fined by the platforms. Sometimes the fine is 10x what the amount they would have been for that delivery is. also the average they make per delivery including Shanghai is at most RMB5 per delivery.... The reality is that the platforms and businesses need to share more of their income with these guys and customers need to be nicer. till then yes there will be some meltdowns. But neither you or I would endure 1% of what these guys go through
This is what capitalism turns into. If the market is allowed to free reign, then employers will continue to exploit their workers until harm to workers and society occur. This is why pure capitalism doesn't work. In order to have a balance, there has to be a way to make sure that employers always think of avoidance of harm to humans and the environment. This is the role of the government. Thus, in this case, the government is to blame for a lack of regulation on the employers' greed and exploitation of their workers. The Wests love to demonize China for tyranny. However, this example shows why we need to demonize pure capitalism in China, and why China needs to go its own way in social governance.
Same garbage job in France, and I assume worldwide. Especially Deliveroo, pay went down about half or more in a few years. Uber is a little better, but when there are orders (can easily spend hours making 0, even during rush hour at times), and the self-employed status is also the worst possible one. It's a dumping system, I believe, and the end goal is being replaced by drones or autonomous vehicles once that will be allowed.
Chinese residents care too much about family, the anti-human idea that you can give everything for family will make so many people schizophrenic because of high-pressure work, and I've remained single all my life nobody dares to mess with me.
The situation may deteriorate further as, Chinese people aren't Confident about long term investment in the Economy after the Largest Real estate Scam & Tight Scrutinization of Financial markets. Moreover, the declining population is also making people anxious that their Long term Capital can sustain their value years after. But, instead of investing all this money into short term Capital people are saving it to later on flee from the Country. And,
Yeah this is kinda algorithm fault, but also it's just a competition like in any other market.. if you are a CEO of a company and you are competing with many other similar companies, usually you are extremely stressed as well, especially if you are barely surviving as a company, so this is a problem. Also, this is the kind of relatively boring and dangerous job that shouldn't even be done by a human and hopefully will be automated with AI self-driving deliveries in the future. But that will only mean that they will make even less money, so as I said.. it's the problem of competition, like when farmers were replaced by machinery. This can really happen in any type of job, just this one is especially painful, because of how difficult this job by itself can be.
They should migrate if they cant find hope in mainland china. Dont waste your best years living in despair. There are many countries facing low fertility turnover and ageing issues. They will welcome you all with open arms.
Stress is everywhere; it’s a part of life. If you want to earn more, you work hard; if you want a better work-life balance, you work less. It’s about making choices based on your priorities.
The Chinese are very poor. For example, China 🇨🇳 has 2 million members of the 50 Cent Army. They used to be paid 0.5 yuan, equivalent to USD 7 cents, per comment. But now the government only paid them 0.05 yuan, a tenth of the previous rate. LOL
We are back with Amazon workers problem again that still exist today. and the push of automaton delivery systems with robot and whatnot, been in the table, but that didn't resolve or change or improve the main problems. Human being will forget what actual "human beings need", what they do today is just "theoretical sales on the graph", which didn't exist. 3:00 Classic problem of making IRL video game quest system with score point. xd
If they have work hard when they are in school, they will have a better life. Computer engineers are still lacking, doctors, nurses, health care workers, etc. Instead, they rather work hard as an adult. Does this make sense at all. When I was doing my bachelor and master, I work 2 jobs paying for my education.
When I went to China. Delivery was super convenient and quick. I knew that they were hard working but I did not know it was that bad 😢 hope for reform and new laws soon. They need to have a delivery worker union, so they do not need to compete against each other nor race to the bottom.
Workers union in China is not allowed.
Wild competition is allowed.
Excess regulation and workers right protection like in the Western countries have long term consequences.
"nope, not gonna happen. we have a working system that is working perfectly fine for us"
-china government
In china there are no unions, no deals between corporations, nothing is allowed. You enter the rat race once you're born and leave it upon retirement or death
Your comment is the true reality. Best on here @@Wolffjaeger
工会那是不可能的😂
I worked as a delivery driver for 2 months then I quit, not just the company is scamming us, but also the customers, one time I had an order to take someone 5km, but i ended up driving her 12km, but she only had to pay for 5 since it's already in the system, while in another instance, a customer ordered me the transport a fricking fridge, on my motorcycle then proceeded to yell at me for refusing.
I live in Beijing. I finally worked out how to give tips to delivery drivers on Meituan last year. (I don'y speak Chinese 😏) You can see how many people have given tips to a driver and I was shocked at how low it is. It's maybe a couple of times a month. Why don't people at least tip? They must know how badly you are paid.
@@bugsygoo If you haven't noticed, people care more about money than lives.
Same thing happen all over the world.
The delivery company took WAY TOO MUCH share from their drivers.
Making the amount they receive not worth it anymore.
You have to consider the fuel, insurance fee for the bike.
"it doesn't take into account the human side"
No kidding.
Meanwhile the bosses behind leeching these poor delivery folks
I used to work full time as Uber in USA, although the disrespect is different, I fully understand the slow down and loss of income as well as there being too many delivery people flooding the market.
This way of doing gig work has been a major issue globally. We see the same in the US/EU and likely in most countries where Gig work has little to no protection. People are hired as individual contractors instead of employees putting all the risk with the worker while the company who really just operates the platform makes bank. Unionization is the only way to break out of this.
Sad to see young delivery boy going through nervous breakdown in street .😢
The algorithms for food delivery people in Indonesia is also equally dehumanising. It looks like our local companies modelled it after what's tormenting these guys. I always try to tip because with how cheap my subscription is & the crazy food discounts, you've got to wonder what they actually earn in the end?
Competition creates "innovations" but at the same time it can also lead to "exploitations". When the companies starts the pricing war, it is a win-win for the company and the consumers, but it is a "bad news" for the delivery men. This kind of competition is so cancerous. Any government on earth should do more on regulating the delivery apps to protect the livelihood of delivery men. Since all of them are economically vulnerable people, if any government wants to develop its own delivery app as part of their socialist platform, I don't think it is a bad idea at all.
So, this is happening all over the world. It's definitely a luxury made affordable by drivers suffering. Not worth it.
while our delivery drivers look at us with a side eye or worse if we don't tip them enough
great reporting. Food delivery companies need to be accountable.
I respect and sympathize with these people who bring convenience to our lives regardless of the scorching heat or the cold winter, day or night. I always feel that the delivery time requirements on their platform are too strict. In addition, if they want to deliver the goods to your door, they will inevitably have conflicts with the security personnel hired by the community. The government should formulate corresponding policies in this regard.
Unfortunately something similar also happens Indonesia. Gojek and Grab ride hauling apps at first pay their drivers quite well leading to many people becoming drivers. After many years, the companies are running out of investor's money and started increasing the amount they take for every payments and in some cases until 30-40% of every payment are taken to the companies instead of the drivers but the price stays low because they don't want to lose customers. Yet these companies still spend a lot of money paying famous people for advertising.
Here in Cambodia there is more passapp driver than the people who ride them and their income keep drop
I am Chinese. There are multiple reasons causing this issue.
Firstly, the main users who order delivery are still not wealthy enough. Although they are referred to as "middle-class," they have limited budgets and are price-sensitive. If platforms increase the delivery fees for riders, customers may choose other options.
Secondly, customers are under the pressure of the "996 culture," leading to the fast-paced nature of society as a whole.
Finally, there are insufficient decent job opportunities. According to statistics, among delivery riders nationwide, the proportion of those with an associate degree or higher is 30%(including about 10% with bachelor’s and master’s degrees), resulting in intense competition.
Everyone wants cheap delivery. Everyone wants to get paid the most for their time. Companies want to maximize profit. You can't have all three happening at once. The more people hear about getting paid more, the more people want to do it, and the less they get paid.
No wonder they all drive like mad men and so often end up in accidents on the roads.
Times are tough.
Everyone have to share.
stable income never, EVER go together with gig work.
Just like minimum wage and economy crisis. It NEVER liveable
Dont do this job. It doesnt pay well. It operate as gig work under demand and supply principle. When more people do delivery work it also cause people who order foods to pay higher delivery charges as well in order to pay for the increased volume of people doing the delivery.
Everyone end up miserable over it.
Why doesn't the chinese government officials intervene to curb malpractices.
They are the reason for the malpractice.
10% percent decrease? BS, that desperate man would not reach his breaking point over a 10-20% decrease. You cut their income more than that...
China doesn’t have tipping culture which makes it even worse
Do you ready to pay higher food price?
@@Andy0770 yeah of course rather than having people earning less than they can eat, we should pay more instead of seeing people beneath you begging and suffering
@@Andy0770 Should other people in my community be able to live a decent life when they work hard? BTW, a 'tipping culture' is not what's needed. Living wages and fair working conditions are what is needed. Otherwise China will be even more like America.
Add tips so companies reduce their wages, using tipping as an excuse? Know where it's like this? The USA
read tipping culture history to know why it literally is a cooperation scam. Go ahead and watch the cooperation guilt trip people into paying 50% tip sooner or later.
Sad to see this
They finally figured it out
Even the Chinese apps are trapped in a cycle of involution like the Chinese!
It's an easy entry level, easy to be replaced job. Now it's overcrowded. If you don't do it, others will. People rushed in like bee for honey. Surely the bubble will burst.
The problem is some baoan who think they’re superior than these drivers. In my xiao qu, one guy was asking where the building is and instead of answering he started yelling and ask him to look for it himself meanwhile the baoan is just smoking and watching douyin… as a daily user, i always try to give 5* review
NO LOWER CLASS.
NO UPPER CLASS.
DON'T ENRICH THE ALREADY RICH.
MORE FOR THEM LESS FOR YOU.
5:10 I thought this was a ''China digital expert", not an economy professor/sociologist that also has Nostradamus abilities.
When your spitting in your plate and you live in America or Europe,remember this thing : it can be bad but actually is the less worse of the choices you have.
Time to go back to jobs that are productive.👍
Because they don't accept tips like in USA. They suffered underpaid like Boeing employees
This industry never provided these guys or Didi driver a stable income. These guys are super hard working and have always made a pittance. But the real issue is that if they are late or someone complains, however unfounded it is then they get fined by the platforms. Sometimes the fine is 10x what the amount they would have been for that delivery is. also the average they make per delivery including Shanghai is at most RMB5 per delivery.... The reality is that the platforms and businesses need to share more of their income with these guys and customers need to be nicer. till then yes there will be some meltdowns. But neither you or I would endure 1% of what these guys go through
This is what capitalism turns into. If the market is allowed to free reign, then employers will continue to exploit their workers until harm to workers and society occur. This is why pure capitalism doesn't work. In order to have a balance, there has to be a way to make sure that employers always think of avoidance of harm to humans and the environment. This is the role of the government. Thus, in this case, the government is to blame for a lack of regulation on the employers' greed and exploitation of their workers. The Wests love to demonize China for tyranny. However, this example shows why we need to demonize pure capitalism in China, and why China needs to go its own way in social governance.
It happens worldwide
seems like Indonesia too, it seems the pay scheme also follow from CN
These guys are PvPing IRL....
Same garbage job in France, and I assume worldwide. Especially Deliveroo, pay went down about half or more in a few years. Uber is a little better, but when there are orders (can easily spend hours making 0, even during rush hour at times), and the self-employed status is also the worst possible one. It's a dumping system, I believe, and the end goal is being replaced by drones or autonomous vehicles once that will be allowed.
Super dark trivia: you can do the 'ding, fries are done' song to the terse music in the background
human being exploited by ai
3:17
Food delivery service is very bad for workers in the world 😢 give them money more ❤
Chinese residents care too much about family, the anti-human idea that you can give everything for family will make so many people schizophrenic because of high-pressure work, and I've remained single all my life nobody dares to mess with me.
What all this is calling for is a "New Global" economy, where people connecting to the Web, can make money..
The situation may deteriorate further as, Chinese people aren't Confident about long term investment in the Economy after the Largest Real estate Scam & Tight Scrutinization of Financial markets. Moreover, the declining population is also making people anxious that their Long term Capital can sustain their value years after. But, instead of investing all this money into short term Capital people are saving it to later on flee from the Country. And,
those delivery apps are bad in the west, so I bet the chinese ones are evil
lol just remove all of them.remove the booking app and go on your own..i buy my food my self.. and never ever installed any delivery app..
You are missing the point dude..
such wise logic 👏🏻👏🏻
Yeah this is kinda algorithm fault, but also it's just a competition like in any other market.. if you are a CEO of a company and you are competing with many other similar companies, usually you are extremely stressed as well, especially if you are barely surviving as a company, so this is a problem. Also, this is the kind of relatively boring and dangerous job that shouldn't even be done by a human and hopefully will be automated with AI self-driving deliveries in the future. But that will only mean that they will make even less money, so as I said.. it's the problem of competition, like when farmers were replaced by machinery. This can really happen in any type of job, just this one is especially painful, because of how difficult this job by itself can be.
Madmax in the making
I am so grateful to be born in Taiwan.
谢谢你们的报道😂😂，再去关注一下中国农民工的工作时间
These Bossess horrible conned their delivery drivers -idiots boss use others to get rich
I am worried those marginalized members will take vengeance on society to destabilize the existing stable law and order.
They should migrate if they cant find hope in mainland china. Dont waste your best years living in despair. There are many countries facing low fertility turnover and ageing issues. They will welcome you all with open arms.
Low fertility and aging ..that's China
The delivery drivers are XIJINGPINGs worker bees all dressed in yellow and black 😂😂😂😂
rainbow 🌈 at the end of the tunnel? nah, it’s an oncoming train 🚆
And ccp wondet why no one want to have kids.
This is really nothing. Come to my india if you want to see worse
It means you are not from india .. because india have better than this
@@LoyalHacketIndia is actually better
President Xi said arrest all young delivery drivers to Russia as cannon fodders as Putin's request. 🤣😂
Stress is everywhere; it’s a part of life. If you want to earn more, you work hard; if you want a better work-life balance, you work less. It’s about making choices based on your priorities.
The Chinese are very poor.
For example, China 🇨🇳 has 2 million members of the 50 Cent Army.
They used to be paid 0.5 yuan, equivalent to USD 7 cents, per comment.
But now the government only paid them 0.05 yuan, a tenth of the previous rate. LOL
Where is that army? I only see anti-China propaganda EVERYWHERE.
It´s the US government that destined $1.6 billions to promote anti-China propaganda.
南华早报我劝你善良
We are back with Amazon workers problem again that still exist today.
and the push of automaton delivery systems with robot and whatnot, been in the table, but that didn't resolve or change or improve the main problems.
Human being will forget what actual "human beings need", what they do today is just "theoretical sales on the graph", which didn't exist.
3:00 Classic problem of making IRL video game quest system with score point. xd
If they have work hard when they are in school, they will have a better life. Computer engineers are still lacking, doctors, nurses, health care workers, etc. Instead, they rather work hard as an adult. Does this make sense at all. When I was doing my bachelor and master, I work 2 jobs paying for my education.
But not in countries like China and India where supply of over- qualified workers is more than demand. You're lucky to live in a less crowded country.
If you don't like it, go to 🇮🇳 😂
Yes please come we have rich worshiping cult to soothe these problems
Look At Expanding Delivery Options,Fast Post Of Multiple Options,Think Outside Of The Square ✨🕊️ Instead Of Just Food 🍃BlessUps