To be absolutely honest, I hear resonance in the mid/high range of the id4,id44 and slightly in the id22. This could be completely based on the levels set when recording or the frequency range of the mic, but this is what I’m hearing.
I've owned audio interfaces beginning with a echoaudio darla24, echoaudio audiopre8, to a steinburg ur22 , tascam UH-7000 and I must say of the 18yrs. Of using and owning audio interfaces, the iD22 is the best audio interface I have ever owned. What brung me to the iD22 in the insert buss option. I have not seen any other audio interface on the market that has had this crucial option accept the echoaudio 'pre8' that I purchased in 2010.
I have an ID14 which is my first audio interface, so I don't know what to compare it to. But one thing it doesn't is sounding bad. I've had it for a couple of years now. I know that I will be switching to the ID44 one day. Not because of sound, but because I'll need more preamps. ID14 only supports up to 10 via adat. I'm gonna expand with a couple of ASP800 as well over time :)
@@SikBeatz You can connect up a multi-channel headphone amplifier to the headphone outputs and split the headphone output multiple ways. On iD22, you can use line output 3+4 to feed a separate headphone amplifier for your artist which also gives you the ability to create a separate foldback mix for the artist which can be useful.
3:59 This is at least the 4th time I'm coming back to this video and I still can't figure out why the ID44 has the cheaper and older AKM converters like the ID4. And why does the 880 and 800 has DIFFERENT Burr Brown converters? Why is better? What about the MKII that I got? Does it have the Same Burr Brown converters as the 880 or the 800? I really like my ID14 MKII but this is so confusing The console sounded the best and I can only hear it with my newish monitors.
I prefer the sound of the heritage edition console, but can't help thinking it might just be the best take, it's still surprising how close the others get, you're getting the same sound throughout all of your products, I have owned the iD22 since it came out. I also made a point of listening in wavelab at 96k on my most accurate mastering grade monitors in a good room.
@@devsadana Sorry, I don't know. Never tested the rode nt1 and at2020. But I can asure you, that the MK4 ist worth its money. I used to work as a soundman for film and as a speaker in the radio, and I don't regret having bought it
there's couple of variables here ... the console has the whole strip , in my limited experience I know that when I plug a mic into a Neve sounds one thing and a whole Neve mic and eq strip has a tighter and denser sounds due to 4 transformers ... I believe audience has a similar design to toft in the trans/less mic pres ? also running the console into the symphony is far different from using the ID44 ( I actually own this unit and love it as I also own an apogee thunderbolt element88 ) . the console sounded great and wide due to strips , mix bus and conversion ... the apogee tape like sheen and harmonic distortion really finishes it off ! I wish this had been done as console/interface pre out into an insert on an interface
Thanks for this informative and well-thought-out experiment! Just took the plunge and ordered the iD44 as my first-ever audio interface. Looking forward to giving it a whirl. Best regards, Seán
I listened to the sound samples and the interface that sounds the best is the iD22, it is especially noticeable on the acoustic guitar. More intimate sound, more to the front, as if you were really there. I listened with my AT m40x and JBL LSR305. Greetings from Argentina. I'm waiting for the iD22 mk2 to come out!
Thanks for the demo, they all sounded pretty good, but id44 sounded closest to the console which sounded best to me. the lower models seemed to have a sligher more sparkle that was less appealling, or inverted the 44 and console less bright. really wish you did an ID66 which was the same as the ID44 but with an extra 2 line ins on back and extra 2 line outs. the ID44 does not have a separate set of monitor outs, and when wanting to use external gear and make use of the JFET connections at same time, they knock one another out (as in you can't use outboard the same on channels 3 and 4 and can't use jfet on 3 and 4), that extra flexibility would really top it off, appreciate you don't want to knock out the usefulness of the asp800 and 880 but the other option would be to put send returns on all 4 channels and add an extra 2 outs for monitor outs and have it as the ID46. just some ideas I hope you can take onboard to create the ultimate product :) Thanks
Dear Audient, do you have plans in releasing a single channel Preamp? Dont get me wrong but you DO have one of the nicest sounding preamps in the market! It would be nice to have a single channel with a digital output as well that we could add to our arsenal!! PS. I love your products! Cheers
Actually Using Descent Headphones When you Adjust for the Drop in Volume for the ID44 Take, the ID44 Definitely Sounds Closest to the ASP8024 and the Asp 800 and asp 880 Stems Seem to Sound Almost Identical to the ID44 too..... which is amazing considering the differences in architecture and converters which make each of the models what they are in terms of feature sets and differences in converters and Subtle improvements in R & D..... So Really Wel Done for Keeping Consistency and Compatability almost Perfect within th eProduct Line...... Really Looking forward to mine Arriving.......Also Just a tip def make sure You turn Your ID off when Not in Use As Being Class A Audient Kit Does Produce a lot of Heat and the Power Supply Chip (DC Voltage regulator) Failed in my micro almost certainly due to my leaving it on for extended periods due to the lack of a on off switch..... Which ca be repaired by the way but only by Audient approved engineers.....SO really looking forward to reuniting the two when it's fixed......I must also mention that the same thing is happening to the main board of my Tascam Dm4800 to Be fair to Audient.... Who are doing such an Amazing Service in Selling the ID Series in this Price Range which also fortunately appears to be a kind of Goldylocks zone for them too....As there's no way You could get 4 channels of outboard press for this kind of money....and if your cleaver and have seriously expensive converters already plugged into your computer You could also route each of the present to outs 1234 individually and enjoy Headphone mixes as well which although a fiddle is also incredible for the money....... However for me personally with 3 Liquid Saffire 56's there's also no way that I could have justified the full cost had er....the id 44 mkii Not Just Been Released.... Although the fact that this is also my gateway to an M1 Mac mini at some point as the 56's are no longer supported by Focusrite for Big Sur etc which feels really good now that I can make that step when it comes to it....... Although even at full price 4 channels of stunning mic pre's Incredible DAC and ADC Now 3 Headphone Outs and Comprehensive monitor control and Talkback routing is Amazingly Affordable and therefore Accessible to we mortal Musicians and Engineers even at full Price of £500 and really quite a steal and sitting just on the edge of serious money for normal people....!!!!! Also I'm guessing the absence of a ID88 doesn't do the ASP 800 and 880 Sales any Harm either especially as they are existing products......However the thought of an ID88 with 8 Pre's and Outs and therefore an Even more Comprehensive Solution for Ourboard and Headphone mixes Would Be An Amazing thing.....!!!!! Thanks So much Audient For Making Such Professional Solutions Affordable and Accessible to Engineers and Musicians Alike.....!!!!!! Chris :)
first brand who talk about converters on desktop interfaces.. Or ? in my budget, It's the only brand who can make me give up on RME. Oh yeah: its also good to see young fresh people, tired of seeing a retirement house's lobby each time I am checking on studio gear. Future is ours !
Great video test. I'm noticing that AD converters are pretty similar but about DA converters? Which sounds better between ID22 and ID44? I'm thinking about purchasing one of these but i want to have the maximum clarity and pristine sound in my monitoring system. Thanks in advance!
In terms of specs, the iD44 is very slightly better than the iD22 but its very close and in real world use, you'll not really notice a big difference between the two. I would just decide based on what features and channel count works best for your setup.
Thanks for the comparison. I have the iD14 as my interface and the ASP 880 for an additional 8 preamps. Been very pleased with it so far but what's the risk there in terms of the different converters?
Glad that you are enjoying iD14 and ASP880, there is no problem or risk or anything wrong with using different converters. For the majority of the time people will have completely different converters when using different pieces of gear. Different converters can just offer a slightly different sound in theory.
Never knew the chips inside the different ID interfaces were different! I thought they were the same chips...just more of it in the higher models! Interesting stuff!
The iD22, iD44 and ASP880 seem to have better low-end representation than the iD4 and iD14 (if compared to the ASP8024-HE recording). With how good they sound, it's suprising that the iD22 and iD44 don't have the 192KHz sample rate available.
At first I thought exactly the same thing, but then I realized that you really don't need 192kHz. Many pros in the big studios around the world are still working with 48kHz. And while moving up to 96kHz might make a small difference, working in 192kHz only leads to an unnecessarily big workload on your computer. Even the highest sample frequency won't make a bad converter a better one. If manufacturers claim that their $99-interface can do 192kHz that's really just marketing (big numbers=good).
Dear Audient team, I am interested in purchasing the ID44 for my home studio, but I have a question regarding mic compatibility. I will be recording an acoustic guitar and wonder what small diaphragm condenser mic pair would be a better choice given that the AKM converters sound darker and have more low end (compared to id22 etc.). I am debating whether I should get AKG c 451 b (brighter) or an Aston Starlight (warmer) mic pair. I would appreciate your thoughts. Thank you! PS: I am looking for the more balanced sound that won't lack nighter low or high end.
The iD44's inputs have a very flat frequency response so there isn't a particular emphasis on the low end of the iD44 and I wouldn't reccomend basing your microphone choice on this. Ultimately, small changes in microphone postion are going to make much bigger differences in tone than the microphones themselves.
If you're trying to connect external pre-amps or DI boxes to an interface then you would simply need to take the output of the external device and connect that up to the Line inputs of the interface using a TRS jack. Then add any additional gain required using the gain control of the interface.
Sorry if we weren’t being fully clear, AKM is just the make of converters, the actual chip model that are used between iD4 and iD44 are different, so iD44 has better spec’d AKM converters than iD4, and has better spec’d converters compared to all the other products which use a Burr Brown make of converters.
Please help me to decide between id4 and Evo 4. Which has better preamp and overall quality? (There is no budget problem and I can manage with one preamp also)
it's crazy how much better the console sound than any of the others with the AKG414 (on the downloadable samples, don't even bother judging from the video by any means) I mean, there's so much room ambience there and everything is softer and pleasant that when you come back and listen even to the best rack unit it just bums you out. I wonder if it's the apogee symphony MK2 or the console preamps or did the mic position changed or weither the compressor was engaged there on the console (you said no processing but there's so much ambience!!). the rack units are obviously brighter and more detailed than the cheaper units. the id44 that I wanted to buy was absolutely dull and unmoving compared to everything above it in price. I don't even bother looking up apogee symphony MK2 comparisons cause it has only thunderbolt connectors and I only have USB on my laptop. ok so I'm gonna go and be really depressed. c you all.
It isn't possible to bypass the pre-amps on iD14 I'm afraid. However, you can simply connect your external pre-amps to the two line inputs of the iD14 and keep the gains of the pre-amps at minimum and this will still give you great sounding results.
Hello there, External outboards such as the SSL Fusion can be connected to the iD44's Line Inputs using a TRS jack. You could also use the Insert returns in order to bypass the pre-amp for a cleaner signal path.
if you listen to the WAV files, the ID14 and ID22 sound the same while the ID44 sounds like the console, the ID4 sounds like tape ripping off of a cardboard box... its harsh on the highs and not very clear with no depth
I have ID22 and ASP800. Great sounding products! What i need is more outs, do you plan to make ASP with DA and outs or something similar? There are no such devices (except ADA8200 that is lower quality and Clarett with not practical DB25)
hello guys, nice video very usefull! I have a question: I have downloaded the sample of the REC and looks like the ID44 has -4 db less compare to the other tracks! it is possible? why? sounds of ID44 looks like " no Fat" or very poor Low Frequency, it is right? I'm really interested to buy the ID44 that's why I'm asking that! thanks!
My concern is there have been a rather large amount of claims that their ID22 died on them within 2 or 3 years. Many saying due to them overheating or having potentially design flaws and cut corners. And with warranty’s usually running out before it happens leaving customers with paper weights that cost nearly half if not more of what they paid for it to get it fixed. Often times experiencing the same issues again. And this dates back a few years ago and to my knowledge nothing has ever been addressed or fixed in revisions. Which really pushes me away from confidently dropping money. Im more so looking at an ID14 but even then I am worried that the same thing will happen to me. Occasional components dying is one thing but it really seems that these have some serious problems. But again it could just be the 22. Is there anything you guys can assure me with regarding these issues? If not I’m probably going to look elsewhere. As I dont even make money off my music and cant afford to just be dropping money on new interfaces when these things should be backed with much more respectable warranties and much longer life spans.
@@ChrisKeyman I ended up buying a UAD Apollo Twin USB. I liked the options of being able to change the preamps and emulate hardware. Its not cheap though.
Is it normal when using a condenser mic like an AKG C-214 to have to have the input gain between 8-10? I can't get a good recording level into my DAW (Studio One V5 Professional) unless it is. All of my mics follow suit. I prefer and use the iD44.
The Audient Mic pre does have a non-linear gain taper due to the pre-amp's design which can result in you turning the gain control up higher than you might be used to on other interfaces. This is entirely normal on the Audient pre-amp however.
Hello, thanks for the comment. No each of the products shown in the video just used their internal preamps for the recordings so that we could give you a good idea of the sound of the Audient console preamp.
Gearslutz in a blind test all voted Behringer as the highest end neve in existance. That was voted by some pretty great producers whom worked for years in this industry. It doesn't surprise me that it all sounds the same here.
hi, might you be making an id14 MK2 with usb-c, on/off switch, 32bit float recording? (and maybe comes with loopback), 2 headphone out (with powerful amp for 250ohm)?
So the pre amps in the id14 and id22 are the same.............. but I wasn't exactly clear on the converters between those two?.... do the two of them have the same converters as well?
The Converters on iD14 and iD22 are slightly different because the iD22 runs off a 12V supply and the iD14 runs of 5V USB power so different converters had to be used to suit this. However, the differences in specs between the two is very slight.
I listened all tracks of all 4 interfaces without extensions. And I don't know why but iD4 and iD44 seems not so exciting than iD14 and especially iD22! iD14 definitely better quality than id4 when it comes to sound but I think that probably iD22 is the winner all in all. It seems like even if this is the same series of interfaces from the same company there's still some kind of differences in sound. Definitely I would add some money and buy iD14 instead iD4 but iD22 and iD44 seems like more flat than iD14. It sounds very nice for interfaces from about $200 - $500 price range. But new SSL2+ may be a game changer in this price range and definitely seems like you get more for the money with sound quality and additional software with SSL. Still there's some nuances but definitely dynamic, wide and flat response with great quality of sound is what many of us looking for. And if you can hear it so definitely you can't skip it when you decide for purchase. Btw. Did Tony Visconti heard your products? @Audient
I have recently upgraded my gear and I now use the ASP880 in combination with an iD14 (ADAT) for my piano recordings. I am satisfied with the recording quality, but unfortunately the number of simultaneously recorded mics is limited to 4 with ADAT when recording at 96k. So I can't get the full potential out of my ASP880 without upgrading to an iD44 :(
Hi ! thanks for the great video. i own a id22 ... will a id44 be a sensible step-up in terms of mic preamps and converters quality ? i do no need more than two channels. Thanks a lot, gino
You can connect an external mic pre to the iD4's Line input but you can still only have 1 mic input and one DI at any one time as the iD4 only has two channels of input.
So if the id4 and id44, the high and low ends of the id range, both use AKM converters, rather than Burr-Browns, what other factors are involved to make the 4 and 44 pres different from each other? Are AKMs considered better than Burr-Browns in the converter world? And please, no sales garbage or confusing BS in your answers. Straight-forward reply requested. Also, why only 96 and not 192 capabilities, as your competition in the Focusrite Clarett range has? Thanks.
Hello Robert, AKM is simply the manufacturer of the converters and the iD4 and iD44 use different chips from AKM based on the form factors of the two interfaces. The iD4 uses a AKM CODEC which combines the ADC's and the DAC's into a single chip which reduces the size and the power requirements for the Converters which is great as the iD4 is the smallest interface and is powered solely by 5V USB power, both of which make iD4 easily portable and easy to set up. On the other hand, the iD44 uses an 8 channel AKM ADC and a set of DAC's from another manufacturer called Cirrus Logic, although the DAC's won't come into play in this test. The 8 channel AKM ADC in the iD44 is larger and more power hungry but with the iD44 being bigger and powered from a 12v supply this isn't an issue. Using the 8 channel ADC allows us to use two channels of ADC's per input and using a technique called channel summation, we can start to decrease noise and therefore increase dynamic range. Burr-Brown and AKM are simply two different chip manufacturers so one isn't intrinsically better than another but both will produce a variety of chips to suit a variety of applications and it's down to our engineers to work out the best chips for our interfaces, whiter than be a Burr Brown, AKM or another manufacturer.
@@Audientworld Thanks for the response... But what about the sampling rate part of my question, stopping at 96, not going up to 192, as Focusrite and others have in their similar interfaces? What would be the reason for your decision about that part of my inquiry, as many in the home recording field are starting to record at the highest sample rates with hard disk space not as much of an issue today?
My apologies, I missed the read more button and didn't see that part of your question. We haven't included 4x sample rates such as 176.4kHz and 192kHz as this would have added both cost and complexity to the products without, and this is in our opinion, any real additional audio quality advantages. I completely agree that hard disk space is cheaper than ever so even if the files and sessions at these sample rates would take up more space, this isn't a real concern in the modern computing era. However, the computing overhead to run at these sample rates will still be a concern as there will be twice as many samples per second to process compared to 96kHZ and 4x as many samples compared to 48kHz meaning higher buffer sizes need to be used to compensate for this overhead and therefore potentially higher latency. This added computing strain would come at no real audio benefit as all sample rates above 44.1kHz are able to accurately sample and playback frequencies up to the threshold of human hearing (20kHz) as explained through nyquist theorem, 44.1kHz itself having a nyquist (maximum) frequency of 22.05kHz. The higher sample rates would only serve to increase this frequency further beyond the threshold of human hearing. The main benefit of higher sample rates would be that the filtering that takes place at the nyquist frequency to stop artifacts known as aliasing affecting the audio can be a lot less steep without affecting the audio range. Shallower filters tend to have less strange effects such as volume ripple or phase issues before the cut-off point so tend to be more desirable. However even at 48kHz, modern converter's anti-aliasing filters will have very little effect on the audio within the audible range so having higher and higher sample rates again, doesn't give a large amount of benefit. The only time that 192kHz would come in useful would be in cases where you are doing large amounts of time stretching as the extra samples give more room for stretching without artifacts showing up, but this is quite a niche situation for most users. Apologies for the wall of text, but just wanted to explain why 96kHz is the highest sample rate our interfaces support. If you did want to do more research on the best sample rates for audio, the following white paper from Lavry is a great starting point: www.lavryengineering.com/pdfs/lavry-white-paper-the_optimal_sample_rate_for_quality_audio.pdf -Audient
@@AiMR :) hehe that's what I record my voice over work in 44.1 @ 24bit sometimes 48khz anything above that is only making protools cry and yes hard disc space is cheaper now but the fidelity is only useful in time stretching as mentioned before. keep in mind what your destination requires(you can always ask the client/editor etc.).
So I have the id4 and I love it ! My question is are the preamps in my id4 equivalent to the id14 or id22 ? Thinking of upgraded but don’t know if it’s necessary? I just record vocals.
The iD4 has the exact same pre-amps as the iD14, iD22 and iD44. The only difference is that the bigger interfaces have more inputs and outputs so you would only need to upgrade if you needed to record more channels at the same time.
iD14 and iD22 have slightly different converters. Both of the Burr Brown type, but slightly different. From an audio standpoint the difference is negligible so it comes down to features, so yes iD22 has more connections, an extra set of outputs, the hardware inserts and an optical output.
Exactly, less connections for a smaller and more portable package. Different converters again, iD4's ones are AKM converters, but as before the specs and sound quality are very similar between the different products.
@@Audientworld OK, given that the id4's specs are a tiny bit lower, is it still a good audio interface for a top of the line mic, e.g., let's say, the TLM104? Is would that type of mic require the id14 or 22? Silly questions perhaps, but one has to ask ;-)
Yes iD4 will still be good for a mic like that, you are getting the proper console preamps and very good converters. It all depends on how important the on paper specs are for you and whether you consider the difference in specs (and features) to be worth the difference in price. If you follow the link in this video, you can download all the raw audio files from this session, and while it's by no means scientific in the way we did it, it might help you decide whether or not you can hear a difference and which you'd like to go with!
I have the iD44 and love it! I had a Motu 828mk3 before getting the Audient iD44. Now my question is what kind of wordclock is inside this unit cause I plan on clocking a external ad/da unit and just want to know how good the clock is.
The iD44 uses a high quality Quartz Crystal based wordclock which has very low levels of clock deviation and jitter. You should have problems at all clocking external devices to the iD44.
Is nice experiment but i think the best comparison maybe from my perspective is use only TWO Mics at the time in every case for exactly comparison between all the convertes, anyway great job and interface as my ID14 MKii i love it.
Bought the ID44 the other day, it sounds incredible on my Windows machine - however the ID mixer software runs very very slowly. Lags a lot, freezes too. I'm on a fairly powerful machine. Anyone have any ideas?
This can be caused by USB driver issues. Try connecting the device to a different USB port. If you're still having issues, please get in touch with us at support@audient.com
The main upgrade you'd get the from updating to a iD22 would be the larger number of inputs and outputs. Giving you more expandability to build your studio in the future. While the iD22 does have slightly higher specs in terms of ADC/DAC's, in the real world, both are going to give pristine recordings and any differences will be slight.
@@Audientworld I want to buy id44 but I am waiting because I hope that your company maybe will release a new interface with 8 mic inputs. Is there any chance????????????
An off-topic here: Do you think ID44 has better longevity than ID22? Mine died just a couple days ago after three years of service, so I now started to look for another interface...
jendzora Name I was on GearSlutz and there was a rather large post with tons of people all having issues with their ID22’s dying on them or having weird issues. It started with one and grew and grew to the point audient even stopped replying. Many people upset that their warranty ran out so quick and were expected to upfront the full cost to fix it when it didnt even last more than a couple years. Which is complete trash if it consistently breaks. I was hoping as that was back in like 2016 and 2017 that they had improved them but it doesnt look like it. Could just be that model. Im in between that and the ID14. More so the 14 but I cant confidently drop 300 bucks on something that isnt reliable. And Audient has not addressed any of this and done any improvements and new versions. Its ridiculous. Like they just brush it under the rug.
Hi! iD22 and iD44 use different converters, with iD22 using Burr Brown and ID44 using AKM converters. On paper iD44 has slightly better conversion specifications however they both sound great!
Listened to the full samples. The ASP880 sound not so good as the original console. It has not so clear tone, little muddy and we begin to loose clear high end. But the sound is ok, probably here the console works as exciter. ASP 800 really sounds not good. Very muddy, high end is not clear and it reminds me of cheap interfaces (. I now have ASP880 and think it's a great unit for the money. I originally planned to get ASP 800 and still prefer it's gain range and wat to get retro channels. My 800 unit probably was faulty (strange hum on condenser mikes) and I decided not to wait for the replacement 800 and got 880. Now I wonder is the difference in sound between 880 and 800 is only converters? Is there any tests where good (RME, UAD, Lynx ...) external ADC was used with both units?
hi Guys i came to this demo on the market to upgrade my Presonas 26 interface. i want top quality pre amps and top quality conversions ! so what interface that you suggest i buy from your range ? to upgrade or improve my quality unless you all think my Presonas 26 is as good? please be honest as i hear and read your products are of reputed quality, Thank you
Hey Stephen, thanks for the comment! Well we would of course recommend Audient, but it would be strange if we didn't! I would recommend comparing some of the tech specs found on the Presonus and Audient website for the different interfaces. Other than that, have a look at some of the reviews on Sweetwater or other dealers and see what other people think of our interfaces. In terms of which of our interfaces might suit you, our iD14 interface has similar connectivity to what you are used to with your current interface, but also allows you to expand your channel count digitally if you want to expand your setup in the future. Feel free to take a look on our website at some of the other cool features that iD14 has which might convince you!
They all sounded good but the console had a better representation as far as the over Freq range but that is probably do to the converters of the appogee. If a gun was held to my head for mixing those tracks, either of those would be with me to start with
I think id44 is the best but it's hard to decide the choice after 1 second of test... this isn't a reliable test because the human air will only hear the "attack" phase of the wave, the test is over before it adapts to test it... it's like showing 2 frames of different movie resolutions and expecting to see the difference, so "can you hear the difference" is actually a staged question here :/
Why this kind of testing isn't done with test signals in a consistent way? Is the difference so inaudible that the test would be no sense? Idk.. Just saying
Hey, Thanks for the comment! We know this experiment is less than scientific, when designing the products we do test them properly using test tones and things like that. We felt that for this video it would be more interesting for people to see the products in use and be able to hear how music sounds through them, as I imagine the majority of people would be using it for that purpose. We know it’s not exactly a fair test with the performance being slightly different each time, but you can still hear music being played through each product. Thanks Audient
@@Audientworld I understand the case and thanks for the reply. Maybe just leaving as a suggestion then.. would be interesting showing the "real" differences between the interfaces with some kind of spectrum analysis. :)
My question is for vocal is my case and anybody sounds just as same or have different quality i have id4 but but if the quality changes I buy the id22 please let me know
The difference will be pretty small. I'd buy the id22 if you also need more inputs and outputs and monitoring capability. If you don't need that upgrading your microphone might have a more noticeable impact, depending on what you're using now.
@@ChrisKeyman so I tried but is ok good preamp not pro pro right now I use the apollo twin USB version is fire🔥🔥 is the best interface you can buy professional 100%
Stay 5 seconds on one interface, not 1 second. But I did notice from id 14 to id 22 a increase in fullnes . Not evrryone will notice it, because you moved so fast- i know t was done with a purpose.
creative media if you want to compare between different products properly, you can download the full, uncompressed takes for each of the products by following the link in the description (RUclips tends to compress audio so it is more difficult to give people an accurate idea with the video alone)
We agree it's hardly a scientific test by any means, but we thought some people would find it interesting to hear the different units in a real world kind of environment.
The console sounds so warm and deep, and the id44 goes very close to the console, good job guys.
My ears are improving haha, I thought the same
Lol for me also console still console but at this price interfaces r pretty much close nd that's really a great deal for home studio owners 💎
Thanks for the explanation, but I was wondering what is the difference between
id44 & id44 mkii
To be absolutely honest, I hear resonance in the mid/high range of the id4,id44 and slightly in the id22. This could be completely based on the levels set when recording or the frequency range of the mic, but this is what I’m hearing.
I've owned audio interfaces beginning with a echoaudio darla24, echoaudio audiopre8, to a steinburg ur22 , tascam UH-7000 and I must say of the 18yrs. Of using and owning audio interfaces, the iD22 is the best audio interface I have ever owned. What brung me to the iD22 in the insert buss option. I have not seen any other audio interface on the market that has had this crucial option accept the echoaudio 'pre8' that I purchased in 2010.
Nice I have id 14 I always have wanted it , I use it all the time but its not even mine just that I keeping it everyday
saez waters I love my iD22. Best interface I’ve owned yet, and I’ve owned a few of them.
I have an ID14 which is my first audio interface, so I don't know what to compare it to. But one thing it doesn't is sounding bad. I've had it for a couple of years now. I know that I will be switching to the ID44 one day. Not because of sound, but because I'll need more preamps. ID14 only supports up to 10 via adat. I'm gonna expand with a couple of ASP800 as well over time :)
@@SikBeatz You can connect up a multi-channel headphone amplifier to the headphone outputs and split the headphone output multiple ways. On iD22, you can use line output 3+4 to feed a separate headphone amplifier for your artist which also gives you the ability to create a separate foldback mix for the artist which can be useful.
@@Audientworld thank you
3:59 This is at least the 4th time I'm coming back to this video and I still can't figure out why the ID44 has the cheaper and older AKM converters like the ID4.
And why does the 880 and 800 has DIFFERENT Burr Brown converters? Why is better?
What about the MKII that I got? Does it have the Same Burr Brown converters as the 880 or the 800? I really like my ID14 MKII but this is so confusing
The console sounded the best and I can only hear it with my newish monitors.
I prefer the sound of the heritage edition console, but can't help thinking it might just be the best take, it's still surprising how close the others get, you're getting the same sound throughout all of your products, I have owned the iD22 since it came out. I also made a point of listening in wavelab at 96k on my most accurate mastering grade monitors in a good room.
Thanks for the video. I bought a ID14 which I use in combination with a Sennheiser MK 4 for voice recordings. Totally happy with it!
bro how is MK4 compare to rode nt1 and at2020?
@@devsadana Sorry, I don't know. Never tested the rode nt1 and at2020. But I can asure you, that the MK4 ist worth its money. I used to work as a soundman for film and as a speaker in the radio, and I don't regret having bought it
@@norbertl5012 What do you think of audient id14? My need is max of 2 inputs ..I am confused between id14 and ssl2
it's almost scary how good a 57 can sound through a good chain with a good singer...
jack of all trades work horse
there is no way the little interfaces compare to the console. :/
there's couple of variables here ... the console has the whole strip , in my limited experience I know that when I plug a mic into a Neve sounds one thing and a whole Neve mic and eq strip has a tighter and denser sounds due to 4 transformers ... I believe audience has a similar design to toft in the trans/less mic pres ? also running the console into the symphony is far different from using the ID44 ( I actually own this unit and love it as I also own an apogee thunderbolt element88 ) . the console sounded great and wide due to strips , mix bus and conversion ... the apogee tape like sheen and harmonic distortion really finishes it off ! I wish this had been done as console/interface pre out into an insert on an interface
I was JUST about to purchase 2 channels of BAE 1073MP before watching this. I think I'll just stick with my ID44 and roll with it! :)
😁
Thanks for this informative and well-thought-out experiment! Just took the plunge and ordered the iD44 as my first-ever audio interface. Looking forward to giving it a whirl. Best regards, Seán
4:47 console
5:03 id 4
5:05 id 14
5:10 Id 44
I listened to the sound samples and the interface that sounds the best is the iD22, it is especially noticeable on the acoustic guitar. More intimate sound, more to the front, as if you were really there. I listened with my AT m40x and JBL LSR305. Greetings from Argentina. I'm waiting for the iD22 mk2 to come out!
More difference with performance than in preamps here
when they swith to id22 that guitar played soft..maybe the downloadable sample will help me compare more detail..
Thanks for the demo, they all sounded pretty good, but id44 sounded closest to the console which sounded best to me. the lower models seemed to have a sligher more sparkle that was less appealling, or inverted the 44 and console less bright.
really wish you did an ID66 which was the same as the ID44 but with an extra 2 line ins on back and extra 2 line outs. the ID44 does not have a separate set of monitor outs, and when wanting to use external gear and make use of the JFET connections at same time, they knock one another out (as in you can't use outboard the same on channels 3 and 4 and can't use jfet on 3 and 4), that extra flexibility would really top it off, appreciate you don't want to knock out the usefulness of the asp800 and 880 but the other option would be to put send returns on all 4 channels and add an extra 2 outs for monitor outs and have it as the ID46. just some ideas I hope you can take onboard to create the ultimate product :) Thanks
What would be very cool is the evo line vs these. Be suprised how good those evo preamps are. Very close. Hard to tell for most
Guys u have to realize the console also was using apogee converters. Why the sound was colored a bit more. The others used their built in converters
Dear Audient, do you have plans in releasing a single channel Preamp? Dont get me wrong but you DO have one of the nicest sounding preamps in the market! It would be nice to have a single channel with a digital output as well that we could add to our arsenal!! PS. I love your products! Cheers
Thanks for your feedback, I'll pass it onto our team!
The iD4 is a single mic preamp (with a bonus Hi-Z input).
Now can you add the id44mk2 to this please
Actually Using Descent Headphones When you Adjust for the Drop in Volume for the ID44 Take, the ID44 Definitely Sounds Closest to the ASP8024 and the Asp 800 and asp 880 Stems Seem to Sound Almost Identical to the ID44 too..... which is amazing considering the differences in architecture and converters which make each of the models what they are in terms of feature sets and differences in converters and Subtle improvements in R & D..... So Really Wel Done for Keeping Consistency and Compatability almost Perfect within th eProduct Line...... Really Looking forward to mine Arriving.......Also Just a tip def make sure You turn Your ID off when Not in Use As Being Class A Audient Kit Does Produce a lot of Heat and the Power Supply Chip (DC Voltage regulator) Failed in my micro almost certainly due to my leaving it on for extended periods due to the lack of a on off switch..... Which ca be repaired by the way but only by Audient approved engineers.....SO really looking forward to reuniting the two when it's fixed......I must also mention that the same thing is happening to the main board of my Tascam Dm4800 to Be fair to Audient.... Who are doing such an Amazing Service in Selling the ID Series in this Price Range which also fortunately appears to be a kind of Goldylocks zone for them too....As there's no way You could get 4 channels of outboard press for this kind of money....and if your cleaver and have seriously expensive converters already plugged into your computer You could also route each of the present to outs 1234 individually and enjoy Headphone mixes as well which although a fiddle is also incredible for the money....... However for me personally with 3 Liquid Saffire 56's there's also no way that I could have justified the full cost had er....the id 44 mkii Not Just Been Released.... Although the fact that this is also my gateway to an M1 Mac mini at some point as the 56's are no longer supported by Focusrite for Big Sur etc which feels really good now that I can make that step when it comes to it....... Although even at full price 4 channels of stunning mic pre's Incredible DAC and ADC Now 3 Headphone Outs and Comprehensive monitor control and Talkback routing is Amazingly Affordable and therefore Accessible to we mortal Musicians and Engineers even at full Price of £500 and really quite a steal and sitting just on the edge of serious money for normal people....!!!!! Also I'm guessing the absence of a ID88 doesn't do the ASP 800 and 880 Sales any Harm either especially as they are existing products......However the thought of an ID88 with 8 Pre's and Outs and therefore an Even more Comprehensive Solution for Ourboard and Headphone mixes Would Be An Amazing thing.....!!!!! Thanks So much Audient For Making Such Professional Solutions Affordable and Accessible to Engineers and Musicians Alike.....!!!!!! Chris :)
Waiting and praying for ID22 MKII. Fingers cross guys
ASP880 is warmer and has more low end. I just got the new ID4 MK.II High Performance :)
Does Sono have the same mic pres and convertors?
The Sono has the same Audient Mic Pre and Converters as our iD range.
@@Audientworld are the convertors same as how you describe Burr Brown/Class Leading Convertors as found on iD22/iD44 respectively?
Yes, the Convertors are the same as found on the iD44 so you're still getting teh exact same audio quality on the Sono
Very articulate presentation - well designed comparison and well executed. You guys are pros.
crazy different
No difference
first brand who talk about converters on desktop interfaces.. Or ?
in my budget, It's the only brand who can make me give up on RME.
Oh yeah: its also good to see young fresh people, tired of seeing a retirement house's lobby each time I am checking on studio gear. Future is ours !
Great video test. I'm noticing that AD converters are pretty similar but about DA converters? Which sounds better between ID22 and ID44? I'm thinking about purchasing one of these but i want to have the maximum clarity and pristine sound in my monitoring system. Thanks in advance!
In terms of specs, the iD44 is very slightly better than the iD22 but its very close and in real world use, you'll not really notice a big difference between the two. I would just decide based on what features and channel count works best for your setup.
Thanks for the comparison. I have the iD14 as my interface and the ASP 880 for an additional 8 preamps. Been very pleased with it so far but what's the risk there in terms of the different converters?
Glad that you are enjoying iD14 and ASP880, there is no problem or risk or anything wrong with using different converters. For the majority of the time people will have completely different converters when using different pieces of gear. Different converters can just offer a slightly different sound in theory.
Why the ID44 sounds a little darker than ID22 and ID14 please?
converters are different in them.
There is no many audio samples of the MKH 40 on youtube. Here is one more.
I'm looking at setting up a home studio for voice over, but I also do Live streaming. Was wondering if you think the iD14 would be a good choice?
iD14 would give you a great Mic pre-amp for high quality voiceover as well as streaming so i think it would be a good choice.
Never knew the chips inside the different ID interfaces were different! I thought they were the same chips...just more of it in the higher models! Interesting stuff!
The iD22, iD44 and ASP880 seem to have better low-end representation than the iD4 and iD14 (if compared to the ASP8024-HE recording). With how good they sound, it's suprising that the iD22 and iD44 don't have the 192KHz sample rate available.
At first I thought exactly the same thing, but then I realized that you really don't need 192kHz. Many pros in the big studios around the world are still working with 48kHz. And while moving up to 96kHz might make a small difference, working in 192kHz only leads to an unnecessarily big workload on your computer. Even the highest sample frequency won't make a bad converter a better one. If manufacturers claim that their $99-interface can do 192kHz that's really just marketing (big numbers=good).
Heavymetalmixer, you show up everywhere. I love it.
They all have a great sound, but the real difference will be shown when you try them using the converters on each interface.
Dear Audient team, I am interested in purchasing the ID44 for my home studio, but I have a question regarding mic compatibility. I will be recording an acoustic guitar and wonder what small diaphragm condenser mic pair would be a better choice given that the AKM converters sound darker and have more low end (compared to id22 etc.). I am debating whether I should get AKG c 451 b (brighter) or an Aston Starlight (warmer) mic pair. I would appreciate your thoughts. Thank you! PS: I am looking for the more balanced sound that won't lack nighter low or high end.
The iD44's inputs have a very flat frequency response so there isn't a particular emphasis on the low end of the iD44 and I wouldn't reccomend basing your microphone choice on this.
Ultimately, small changes in microphone postion are going to make much bigger differences in tone than the microphones themselves.
Very great guys and great track
Hi mate. Could you explain how to connect an external preamp for mic guitar and bass to the audient interface using a DI?
If you're trying to connect external pre-amps or DI boxes to an interface then you would simply need to take the output of the external device and connect that up to the Line inputs of the interface using a TRS jack. Then add any additional gain required using the gain control of the interface.
i dont get it, you said id44 have the same akm converters as the id4 and it is lower quality than id14 and id22?
Sorry if we weren’t being fully clear, AKM is just the make of converters, the actual chip model that are used between iD4 and iD44 are different, so iD44 has better spec’d AKM converters than iD4, and has better spec’d converters compared to all the other products which use a Burr Brown make of converters.
ok thanks for the swift reply. we just bought id44 for our studio and i cant tell how blessed we feel using it...
fuzzfizz id4 and id14 are about the same
@@fuzzfizz is it still working?
id4 and id14 sound quite different in at 2:06 but its not a scientific test as the way he was playing was slightly different
Please help me to decide between id4 and Evo 4. Which has better preamp and overall quality? (There is no budget problem and I can manage with one preamp also)
The iD4 MK2 has higher specs than the EVO 4. The iD4 is more suited to musical recording where as teh EVO is great for content creation and streaming.
it's crazy how much better the console sound than any of the others with the AKG414 (on the downloadable samples, don't even bother judging from the video by any means) I mean, there's so much room ambience there and everything is softer and pleasant that when you come back and listen even to the best rack unit it just bums you out. I wonder if it's the apogee symphony MK2 or the console preamps or did the mic position changed or weither the compressor was engaged there on the console (you said no processing but there's so much ambience!!).
the rack units are obviously brighter and more detailed than the cheaper units. the id44 that I wanted to buy was absolutely dull and unmoving compared to everything above it in price. I don't even bother looking up apogee symphony MK2 comparisons cause it has only thunderbolt connectors and I only have USB on my laptop. ok so I'm gonna go and be really depressed. c you all.
la id14 tambien tiene esos pre? suena muy muy bien . gracias por el video
Hi! The audient id44 is very best vs id 22?maybe id44+asp 880 y quality studio profesional sound ?
How can I bypass the preamp of id 14 for connecting external preamp, Thanks.
It isn't possible to bypass the pre-amps on iD14 I'm afraid. However, you can simply connect your external pre-amps to the two line inputs of the iD14 and keep the gains of the pre-amps at minimum and this will still give you great sounding results.
can I plug external hardware like a SSL fusion using the audient id44 line level input only
Hello there,
External outboards such as the SSL Fusion can be connected to the iD44's Line Inputs using a TRS jack. You could also use the Insert returns in order to bypass the pre-amp for a cleaner signal path.
if you listen to the WAV files, the ID14 and ID22 sound the same while the ID44 sounds like the console, the ID4 sounds like tape ripping off of a cardboard box... its harsh on the highs and not very clear with no depth
I have ID22 and ASP800. Great sounding products! What i need is more outs, do you plan to make ASP with DA and outs or something similar? There are no such devices (except ADA8200 that is lower quality and Clarett with not practical DB25)
hello guys, nice video very usefull! I have a question: I have downloaded the sample of the REC and looks like the ID44 has -4 db less compare to the other tracks! it is possible? why?
sounds of ID44 looks like " no Fat" or very poor Low Frequency, it is right?
I'm really interested to buy the ID44 that's why I'm asking that!
thanks!
Hi Andrew,
Can you please drop us an email at support@audient.com and we'll take a look at whats going on.
Thanks
@@Audientworld I've found this to be the case too. Any reason? In my daw side by side it's definitely -4db or thereabouts
como se llaman los PRE que estan en esa consola grande y en la audient id 14?? que bien.
My concern is there have been a rather large amount of claims that their ID22 died on them within 2 or 3 years. Many saying due to them overheating or having potentially design flaws and cut corners. And with warranty’s usually running out before it happens leaving customers with paper weights that cost nearly half if not more of what they paid for it to get it fixed. Often times experiencing the same issues again.
And this dates back a few years ago and to my knowledge nothing has ever been addressed or fixed in revisions. Which really pushes me away from confidently dropping money. Im more so looking at an ID14 but even then I am worried that the same thing will happen to me. Occasional components dying is one thing but it really seems that these have some serious problems. But again it could just be the 22. Is there anything you guys can assure me with regarding these issues? If not I’m probably going to look elsewhere. As I dont even make money off my music and cant afford to just be dropping money on new interfaces when these things should be backed with much more respectable warranties and much longer life spans.
@JAKE what did you do finally?
@@ChrisKeyman I ended up buying a UAD Apollo Twin USB. I liked the options of being able to change the preamps and emulate hardware. Its not cheap though.
@@ChrisKeyman I would recommend the 14 though. If you don’t need all the extra IO.
ASP8024-HE using Apogee Symphony Converters...nice.
I am using uphoria um2 with behringer C03 for song recording, which interface i should get to enhance my vocals soud quality
1:45 Console 2:06 Interfaces
Is it normal when using a condenser mic like an AKG C-214 to have to have the input gain between 8-10? I can't get a good recording level into my DAW (Studio One V5 Professional) unless it is. All of my mics follow suit. I prefer and use the iD44.
The Audient Mic pre does have a non-linear gain taper due to the pre-amp's design which can result in you turning the gain control up higher than you might be used to on other interfaces. This is entirely normal on the Audient pre-amp however.
i just wish that the id44 had that inclination that the id22 has
I was thinking about the same thing !!
the gain input on id44 when recording is -18 with peaks at -12? would those be the appropriate levels?
We usually reccomend to aim for a peak of around -12 to -10dB when tracking which gives you plenty of signal level but also a nice amount of headroom.
Was the id 4 and id 22 and 44 hooked up to a seperate preamp
Hello, thanks for the comment. No each of the products shown in the video just used their internal preamps for the recordings so that we could give you a good idea of the sound of the Audient console preamp.
@@Audientworld o ok just tryna get a pro sound with my id4
Great performance. You've got a new fan Zach! :-) I subscribed to your channel as well.
Gearslutz in a blind test all voted Behringer as the highest end neve in existance. That was voted by some pretty great producers whom worked for years in this industry.
It doesn't surprise me that it all sounds the same here.
can you post a link to that? evidence or it didn't happen.
It's somewhere on Gearslutz from 2 years ago in the shootout section.
lol ok I'll try and find it, I think I'll keep my neumann mics though for now and neve preamps.
Yes it happened few times. Once Behringer was voted best and another time mackie
hi, might you be making an id14 MK2 with usb-c, on/off switch, 32bit float recording? (and maybe comes with loopback), 2 headphone out (with powerful amp for 250ohm)?
DarkPa1adin please just tell me that my life will be glorious. You are future teller 😳😮
So the pre amps in the id14 and id22 are the same.............. but I wasn't exactly clear on the converters between those two?.... do the two of them have the same converters as well?
The Converters on iD14 and iD22 are slightly different because the iD22 runs off a 12V supply and the iD14 runs of 5V USB power so different converters had to be used to suit this. However, the differences in specs between the two is very slight.
I listened all tracks of all 4 interfaces without extensions. And I don't know why but iD4 and iD44 seems not so exciting than iD14 and especially iD22! iD14 definitely better quality than id4 when it comes to sound but I think that probably iD22 is the winner all in all. It seems like even if this is the same series of interfaces from the same company there's still some kind of differences in sound. Definitely I would add some money and buy iD14 instead iD4 but iD22 and iD44 seems like more flat than iD14. It sounds very nice for interfaces from about $200 - $500 price range. But new SSL2+ may be a game changer in this price range and definitely seems like you get more for the money with sound quality and additional software with SSL. Still there's some nuances but definitely dynamic, wide and flat response with great quality of sound is what many of us looking for. And if you can hear it so definitely you can't skip it when you decide for purchase. Btw. Did Tony Visconti heard your products? @Audient
I have recently upgraded my gear and I now use the ASP880 in combination with an iD14 (ADAT) for my piano recordings. I am satisfied with the recording quality, but unfortunately the number of simultaneously recorded mics is limited to 4 with ADAT when recording at 96k. So I can't get the full potential out of my ASP880 without upgrading to an iD44 :(
What do you think of audient id14? My need is max of 2 inputs ..I am confused between id14 and ssl2
the id44 have more round and warmth to it ! great 👍
but wait ! the burr converter are better in acoustic guitar !!!!! more clear !!! 😕
To my ears ID22 sounded best on the guitar too.
Hi ! thanks for the great video. i own a id22 ... will a id44 be a sensible step-up in terms of mic preamps and converters quality ? i do no need more than two channels. Thanks a lot, gino
On iD4 can i use an external preamp?
You can connect an external mic pre to the iD4's Line input but you can still only have 1 mic input and one DI at any one time as the iD4 only has two channels of input.
@@Audientworld Thanks a lot!
Make a rack version for 2019
Maybe there is an opportunity to bring the Audient preamp onto the market as a 500 series lunchbox module?
Audient props to you for putting console preamps in your audio interface range. ❤. Definitely will be looking at your interfaces when I upgrade.
So if the id4 and id44, the high and low ends of the id range, both use AKM converters, rather than Burr-Browns, what other factors are involved to make the 4 and 44 pres different from each other?
Are AKMs considered better than Burr-Browns in the converter world? And please, no sales garbage or confusing BS in your answers. Straight-forward reply requested.
Also, why only 96 and not 192 capabilities, as your competition in the Focusrite Clarett range has?
Thanks.
Hello Robert,
AKM is simply the manufacturer of the converters and the iD4 and iD44 use different chips from AKM based on the form factors of the two interfaces.
The iD4 uses a AKM CODEC which combines the ADC's and the DAC's into a single chip which reduces the size and the power requirements for the Converters which is great as the iD4 is the smallest interface and is powered solely by 5V USB power, both of which make iD4 easily portable and easy to set up.
On the other hand, the iD44 uses an 8 channel AKM ADC and a set of DAC's from another manufacturer called Cirrus Logic, although the DAC's won't come into play in this test. The 8 channel AKM ADC in the iD44 is larger and more power hungry but with the iD44 being bigger and powered from a 12v supply this isn't an issue. Using the 8 channel ADC allows us to use two channels of ADC's per input and using a technique called channel summation, we can start to decrease noise and therefore increase dynamic range.
Burr-Brown and AKM are simply two different chip manufacturers so one isn't intrinsically better than another but both will produce a variety of chips to suit a variety of applications and it's down to our engineers to work out the best chips for our interfaces, whiter than be a Burr Brown, AKM or another manufacturer.
@@Audientworld Thanks for the response... But what about the sampling rate part of my question, stopping at 96, not going up to 192, as Focusrite and others have in their similar interfaces?
What would be the reason for your decision about that part of my inquiry, as many in the home recording field are starting to record at the highest sample rates with hard disk space not as much of an issue today?
My apologies, I missed the read more button and didn't see that part of your question.
We haven't included 4x sample rates such as 176.4kHz and 192kHz as this would have added both cost and complexity to the products without, and this is in our opinion, any real additional audio quality advantages. I completely agree that hard disk space is cheaper than ever so even if the files and sessions at these sample rates would take up more space, this isn't a real concern in the modern computing era.
However, the computing overhead to run at these sample rates will still be a concern as there will be twice as many samples per second to process compared to 96kHZ and 4x as many samples compared to 48kHz meaning higher buffer sizes need to be used to compensate for this overhead and therefore potentially higher latency.
This added computing strain would come at no real audio benefit as all sample rates above 44.1kHz are able to accurately sample and playback frequencies up to the threshold of human hearing (20kHz) as explained through nyquist theorem, 44.1kHz itself having a nyquist (maximum) frequency of 22.05kHz. The higher sample rates would only serve to increase this frequency further beyond the threshold of human hearing.
The main benefit of higher sample rates would be that the filtering that takes place at the nyquist frequency to stop artifacts known as aliasing affecting the audio can be a lot less steep without affecting the audio range. Shallower filters tend to have less strange effects such as volume ripple or phase issues before the cut-off point so tend to be more desirable. However even at 48kHz, modern converter's anti-aliasing filters will have very little effect on the audio within the audible range so having higher and higher sample rates again, doesn't give a large amount of benefit.
The only time that 192kHz would come in useful would be in cases where you are doing large amounts of time stretching as the extra samples give more room for stretching without artifacts showing up, but this is quite a niche situation for most users.
Apologies for the wall of text, but just wanted to explain why 96kHz is the highest sample rate our interfaces support. If you did want to do more research on the best sample rates for audio, the following white paper from Lavry is a great starting point: www.lavryengineering.com/pdfs/lavry-white-paper-the_optimal_sample_rate_for_quality_audio.pdf
-Audient
@@Audientworld Agree completely. People 'in the know' are recording most everything 24bit @ 44.1khz. Not really any gains above that.
@@AiMR :) hehe that's what I record my voice over work in 44.1 @ 24bit sometimes 48khz anything above that is only making protools cry and yes hard disc space is cheaper now but the fidelity is only useful in time stretching as mentioned before. keep in mind what your destination requires(you can always ask the client/editor etc.).
So I have the id4 and I love it ! My question is are the preamps in my id4 equivalent to the id14 or id22 ? Thinking of upgraded but don’t know if it’s necessary? I just record vocals.
The iD4 has the exact same pre-amps as the iD14, iD22 and iD44. The only difference is that the bigger interfaces have more inputs and outputs so you would only need to upgrade if you needed to record more channels at the same time.
So id14 and 22 are the same but the latter has more connections, in principle?
iD14 and iD22 have slightly different converters. Both of the Burr Brown type, but slightly different. From an audio standpoint the difference is negligible so it comes down to features, so yes iD22 has more connections, an extra set of outputs, the hardware inserts and an optical output.
@@Audientworld Thx! And the id4 is, in principle, the same, but less connections?
Exactly, less connections for a smaller and more portable package. Different converters again, iD4's ones are AKM converters, but as before the specs and sound quality are very similar between the different products.
@@Audientworld OK, given that the id4's specs are a tiny bit lower, is it still a good audio interface for a top of the line mic, e.g., let's say, the TLM104? Is would that type of mic require the id14 or 22? Silly questions perhaps, but one has to ask ;-)
Yes iD4 will still be good for a mic like that, you are getting the proper console preamps and very good converters. It all depends on how important the on paper specs are for you and whether you consider the difference in specs (and features) to be worth the difference in price. If you follow the link in this video, you can download all the raw audio files from this session, and while it's by no means scientific in the way we did it, it might help you decide whether or not you can hear a difference and which you'd like to go with!
I have the iD44 and love it! I had a Motu 828mk3 before getting the Audient iD44. Now my question is what kind of wordclock is inside this unit cause I plan on clocking a external ad/da unit and just want to know how good the clock is.
The iD44 uses a high quality Quartz Crystal based wordclock which has very low levels of clock deviation and jitter. You should have problems at all clocking external devices to the iD44.
@@Audientworld thx for your reply love the iD44!!
Id44,asp880, the console all three sound like the same preamp
Man the console 1st and then id44
Nice Song Zach and excellent video, very informative.
If i buy an audient sound card, will it still works in 4 years ??
Yes
I've read a lot of people having problems with the ID22. I'm having the same concerns as you do, because they sound amazing. i have my eye on the ID44
Is nice experiment but i think the best comparison maybe from my perspective is use only TWO Mics at the time in every case for exactly comparison between all the convertes, anyway great job and interface as my ID14 MKii i love it.
Bought the ID44 the other day, it sounds incredible on my Windows machine - however the ID mixer software runs very very slowly. Lags a lot, freezes too. I'm on a fairly powerful machine. Anyone have any ideas?
This can be caused by USB driver issues. Try connecting the device to a different USB port. If you're still having issues, please get in touch with us at support@audient.com
@@Audientworld how to fix USB driver issues?
i want to upgrade my id14 to id22. What you can say about that...It's a good deal? i want a better headphone amp and better sound from my monitors.
The main upgrade you'd get the from updating to a iD22 would be the larger number of inputs and outputs. Giving you more expandability to build your studio in the future. While the iD22 does have slightly higher specs in terms of ADC/DAC's, in the real world, both are going to give pristine recordings and any differences will be slight.
@@Audientworld I want to buy id44 but I am waiting because I hope that your company maybe will release a new interface with 8 mic inputs. Is there any chance????????????
An off-topic here: Do you think ID44 has better longevity than ID22? Mine died just a couple days ago after three years of service, so I now started to look for another interface...
jendzora Name I was on GearSlutz and there was a rather large post with tons of people all having issues with their ID22’s dying on them or having weird issues. It started with one and grew and grew to the point audient even stopped replying. Many people upset that their warranty ran out so quick and were expected to upfront the full cost to fix it when it didnt even last more than a couple years. Which is complete trash if it consistently breaks. I was hoping as that was back in like 2016 and 2017 that they had improved them but it doesnt look like it. Could just be that model. Im in between that and the ID14. More so the 14 but I cant confidently drop 300 bucks on something that isnt reliable. And Audient has not addressed any of this and done any improvements and new versions. Its ridiculous. Like they just brush it under the rug.
what mac do you use for this?
what is the name of the headphone used ?
Hi, they are Audio Technica ATH-M50X
@@Audientworld I meant the headphones that the guy who plays the guitar and sings has
Audient id22 and id44 have the exact same converters?
Hi! iD22 and iD44 use different converters, with iD22 using Burr Brown and ID44 using AKM converters. On paper iD44 has slightly better conversion specifications however they both sound great!
cool, thanks :) but it's more about a/d or d/a?
Sorry, not entirely sure what you are asking? A/D and D/A refers to the converters (e.g. analogue to digital converters)
Audient I know that :D so maybe in other words. The main difference between those devices are in terms of recording quality or playback quality also?
The recording and playback quality on iD44 will be slightly better, however the main difference is just in the features.
Listened to the full samples. The ASP880 sound not so good as the original console. It has not so clear tone, little muddy and we begin to loose clear high end. But the sound is ok, probably here the console works as exciter. ASP 800 really sounds not good. Very muddy, high end is not clear and it reminds me of cheap interfaces (.
I now have ASP880 and think it's a great unit for the money. I originally planned to get ASP 800 and still prefer it's gain range and wat to get retro channels. My 800 unit probably was faulty (strange hum on condenser mikes) and I decided not to wait for the replacement 800 and got 880.
Now I wonder is the difference in sound between 880 and 800 is only converters? Is there any tests where good (RME, UAD, Lynx ...) external ADC was used with both units?
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hi Guys i came to this demo on the market to upgrade my Presonas 26 interface. i want top quality pre amps and top quality conversions ! so what interface that you suggest i buy from your range ? to upgrade or improve my quality unless you all think my Presonas 26 is as good? please be honest as i hear and read your products are of reputed quality,
Thank you
Hey Stephen, thanks for the comment! Well we would of course recommend Audient, but it would be strange if we didn't! I would recommend comparing some of the tech specs found on the Presonus and Audient website for the different interfaces. Other than that, have a look at some of the reviews on Sweetwater or other dealers and see what other people think of our interfaces. In terms of which of our interfaces might suit you, our iD14 interface has similar connectivity to what you are used to with your current interface, but also allows you to expand your channel count digitally if you want to expand your setup in the future. Feel free to take a look on our website at some of the other cool features that iD14 has which might convince you!
They all sounded good but the console had a better representation as far as the over Freq range but that is probably do to the converters of the appogee. If a gun was held to my head for mixing those tracks, either of those would be with me to start with
Jack and Zack! Yay!
I think id44 is the best but it's hard to decide the choice after 1 second of test... this isn't a reliable test because the human air will only hear the "attack" phase of the wave, the test is over before it adapts to test it... it's like showing 2 frames of different movie resolutions and expecting to see the difference, so "can you hear the difference" is actually a staged question here :/
Why this kind of testing isn't done with test signals in a consistent way? Is the difference so inaudible that the test would be no sense? Idk.. Just saying
Hey,
Thanks for the comment! We know this experiment is less than scientific, when designing the products we do test them properly using test tones and things like that. We felt that for this video it would be more interesting for people to see the products in use and be able to hear how music sounds through them, as I imagine the majority of people would be using it for that purpose. We know it’s not exactly a fair test with the performance being slightly different each time, but you can still hear music being played through each product.
Thanks
Audient
@@Audientworld I understand the case and thanks for the reply. Maybe just leaving as a suggestion then.. would be interesting showing the "real" differences between the interfaces with some kind of spectrum analysis. :)
id44 for vocals, id22 for acoustic guitar.
Same. Guitar sounded more clear with ID22.
Great job!
My question is for vocal is my case and anybody sounds just as same or have different quality i have id4 but but if the quality changes I buy the id22 please let me know
The difference will be pretty small. I'd buy the id22 if you also need more inputs and outputs and monitoring capability. If you don't need that upgrading your microphone might have a more noticeable impact, depending on what you're using now.
@@pitchpolemusic3555 sound is good i buy the id22 next week quality is quality thanks
@@videntemusic2465 how you like the id22?
@@ChrisKeyman so I tried but is ok good preamp not pro pro right now I use the apollo twin USB version is fire🔥🔥 is the best interface you can buy professional 100%
Mic position and mic type is the reason make different between each interface !!!!!!!!!!
this was amazing.... i think the id44 is the purchase i'm making now.
Enjoy your iD44!
If there's any difference at all, I didn't notice it ;)
The apogee converters are the difference! the are more bass and deep
Stay 5 seconds on one interface, not 1 second. But I did notice from id 14 to id 22 a increase in fullnes . Not evrryone will notice it, because you moved so fast- i know t was done with a purpose.
creative media if you want to compare between different products properly, you can download the full, uncompressed takes for each of the products by following the link in the description (RUclips tends to compress audio so it is more difficult to give people an accurate idea with the video alone)
Console with Apogee sounds the best - but as an A/B test this is pretty useless...
We agree it's hardly a scientific test by any means, but we thought some people would find it interesting to hear the different units in a real world kind of environment.
Vvvv nice ❤❤❤