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Why Does It Sound Wrong...?? Amp Sims, Interfaces & Impedance
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- Опубликовано: 13 авг 2024
- Why does this amp sim sound different on my computer?? If you have ever asked yourself that question then this video might help. Gabor is looking at different inputs on your audio interface and how they might change the sound quite drastically!
Intro 0:00
My Interface - Audient iD44 1:34
Hi-Z vs Lo-Z 3:16
Using a DI Box 5:47
External DI vs Internal DI 8:09
Different Pickups 9:52
Input Gain 11:00
Conclusion 12:44
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Thanks everyone!
This is, by far, the best video on RUclips discussing and demonstrating impedance mismatch for guitarists using audio interfaces. What's most telling if you use the wrong input type is the dramatic reduction and change in characteristics of the high frequency range, particularly since it can't really be compensated for.
I really wish plugin developers would provide reference information & reference patches, including audio soundbites, so that we can confirm all is well on this front when setting up the plugin for the first time.
@@ChrisM541 thank you very much!!
Nice video, one criticism: It's a lot easier to compare sounds if you cut them together with no break in the middle. In the visual domain this is called "change blindness", but you get the same effect when a comparison is interrupted in audio.
Awesome compare! Very easy to understand! Just to mention what really happends when you plug a High Impedance instrument into a Low Impedance Input as you mention is not only in low gain volume (that can be compensated ) but also an undesirable "filtered sound" due impedance mismatch ( High frequences are more affected than lower, so thats why sounds like narrow)
Very, very glad someone is covering this. Back when I got my first interface I was running guits at mic level, not instrument level. Very sort of muffly top end, certainly not clipping digitally which was nice, but wow. Fixed my mistake and it was like taking the earmuffs off my pickups. Chimy and loud and great.
Cheers
Absolutely...I’m a newcomer to all this stuff too...I only realised all this when I got my iD44 interface because it had the DI input in the front...makes such a difference
Use CL 1, 2 Cloudfilter. Problem would be fixed automatically.
@@HarvinderSingh-yy8th Can you elaborate more on this?
How will a cloudfilter fix the problem?
Also where in the signal path do you intend to use it?
Best practical instructional video ever on the Internet about DI + Audio Interface + Amp sims. ❤️❤️🎸🎸
Thank you very much!!!
Thanks for this. I'm trying to start recording, and stuff like this great. Sometimes, the amount of variables involved can be a bit intimidating.
It’s definitely difficult to keep your eye on all this stuff when you just want to plug in and go...I only really just learned about all this stuff too...
How.
Having pretty much all Amp Sims you can think of [Amp4, Amp5, Native, etc] this is one of those "Got To Know This" vids.
But there are other things to consider as well: Processing Power, Streaming alocation, etc. Some amp sims produce digital cliping even when using low-impedence due to PC specs. After building a PC that is completely dedicated to audio I noticed quite a change in their behaviour, though in some cases the digital cliping still occurs on high gain amps and pedals [love Muffs, but can't make the ones on Amp4/5 and Native work at all with all the digital clipping they produce].
That said, Amplitube is still my favorite Amp Sim for clean and Bass. Not so fond of the effects though. And the Leslies on Amp5 are yumm-yumm delicious.
If you run 192KHz project you’ll get rid of aliasing
Those Audient D.I.s are great. I have an ID44 as well and it’s my favorite interface of all time.
What you are demonstrating in the beginning of the video is of course right. The difference between a high impedance (Hi-Z) instrument input and a microphone input is however much bigger than the Hi-Z compared to a line level input. But you are adding another factor by extending the length of the guitar cable by the XLR cable from your patch bay to the rear of your audio interface. Just by adding a few meters of cable between a passive guitar and the input of a preamp you're changing the sound significantly. You should have plugged the guitar cable into the read input using a short adapter instead... But as I said: that doesn't change the main conclusion that you should use a high impedance input for passive instruments. For active guitars and bass guitars (with batteries inside) this is not an issue however...
Very good... On the high impedance it sounded kind of overdriven to me, on low importance at low gain in souded a lot warmer but then when the gain was turned up on low importance to match it it sounded overdriven but a bit less harsh. I prefer it through the Roland with the gain turned up personally
Hi! I just sort of want to clarify why this is happening. When the guitar's output signal is being run into the rear (Low-Z) input on the interface as opposed to the front (Hi-Z/instrument) input, ONLY TWO THINGS are actually changing: 1.) the level at which the DAW receives the signal, and 2.) there is some high frequency roll-off. The overdrive effect you're hearing more of in the Hi-Z/instrument input is only a consequence of that signal being received by the amp-sim as slightly louder, i.e. there is more DRIVE going into the amp-sim. Notice how when Gabor turns up the gain on the interface, the overdrive effect increases.
The only change in timbral quality is the aforementioned high frequency roll-off. This is just a consequence of the physical aspects of impedance, which is a whole other can of worms to dive into. Have you ever seen on like a Scarlett 2i2, the inputs have a switch on them that says "Line/Inst"? The reason for this is that line-level signals are low-impedance and thus come into the interface LOUDER, while instruments typically output a fraction of that level. If you get the chance to use something that has a switch like that, flip back and forth between the two settings and you'll be able to hear what I'm talking about! You can think of it almost as if the interface is compensating for these differences in levels :)
I think the sound of the front JFET input sounded best. It has a lot to do with impediance. It's the same with microphones. How they match each other, The input impediance of the preamp and the in-going impediance of the signal.
I remember when I asked a question at Gearslutz.
-Is it possible to build a box in which I can adjust the impediance input level before it reaches the input of a preamp. Line or mic level?
-With a multi winded transformer? Switchable?
Well, I didn't get a full answer then. I guess it is more compicated than I thought it would be.Or?
That would be a great box. Beacuse with such a thing you could be able to alter the sound in many ways.
It makes me laugh how many musicians/guitarist expect a pedal or piece of gear to sound the same as someone else they’ve heard, obviously everyone has very different gear/rigs (guitars/amps/pedals etc) with very different characteristics so it’s very unlikely it will sound how you expected or wanted it to from the off, you can’t just plug and expect awesomeness with most things, you have spend at least a bit of time editing & producing your desired sound/tone, to me that’s one of my favourite parts as you can learn so much and much more about the gear you use. Another informative video for people who may need it, cheers
The other thing I see so much from other musicians especially when trying to record they have input levels maxed out, FX levels / inputs / gain / drive etc on full and wonder why it sounds crap or not like they heard somewhere else.
Also as I work as I sound technician at a rehearsal / recording studio and play in a band in Manchester, England, the amount of bands I hear that when they start to play in rehearsal basically have everything maxed out and levels so fucking high! Guitarists obviously the worst for this! With my band we start at a pretty low level and then work up to slightly higher level as we play a few songs and to me the great thing about working this way our songs sound so much better dynamically when we build up for choruses / solos / crescendos / endings etc, or when we want to play softer it sounds much better, plus being the lead singer & guitarist in the band working like this really helps me vocally to sing well & in tune and not straining and trying to sing to loud all the time and then vox ends up sounding Shite! I’ve learnt to let the microphones do more of the work when needed instead of shouting or turning guitars etc up to No.11, on my guitar amps now I rarely go above 4 or 5 as that’s their sweet spot and sound great and if I sometimes need to be louder then I’ll mic up the guitar amps and bass amp, this works a treat for me and my band dynamically so everything nowadays is crystal clear and it doesn’t end up being a battle of the guitars against each other and then against the bass and drums and it all becomes a huge too loud mish mashed distorted mess!! But it did take quite along time for myself and the rest of the band to realise starting quieter and building to your desired levels as you go works much better.
Very useful, thanks! It explains a lot of the problems I’ve had, actually!
Thanks Wilfried...glad I could help!!
could I split the guitar output, have one high impedence and one low impedence input that I could mix together somehow, is that something I could do? that way I could get the benefits of both output sounds.
I have no idea if this is a stupid question. just a strange thought.
Do you ever compress or limit guitar DIs?
I'm in the middle of mixing a metal song with guitar DI I recorded. I just checked it against some DIs recorded by August Burns Red for one of the Nail The Mix sessions, and it looks markedly different to me. Almost looks as if it's been compressed or limited... much less dynamic range, no way higher peaks when hitting chords.
Is it common to limit peaks on DIs like this?
I've always been taught to never record so hot that the signal clips, and also that the input going into an amp sim should not reach the red.
Now I'm wondering if I should lower the gain on the hard-hitting chord parts, or just push the amp sim harder so that it sounds good throughout but goes red for some of the hard-hitting chord parts?
to me the line input in the back always sounds better when played by itself, but the Hi-z in the front sounds much better in a mix. Line is more full, but lacks the clarity of the front input.
THANK YOU! I've been trying to figure out this problem for a while. You answered it. SUBBED
Glad it helped!! And thanks for subscribing!!
I'm actually finding that the HiZ input DI on the Audient simply can't be turned down low enough for metal style (13k output pickups) when played hard. Looking into a DI with a better input impedence.
Did you find one?
@@j.ramsey8863 yeah bought a a warm audio active/passive DI box and it's great. Did eventually switch to an AxeFx though so I've needed to worry about amp sim gain staging for a bit
Hi! This is great! Ive always noticed the amp sims sounded better with less input, but now im wondering if i would run into any issues if i would want to reamp the DI signal (which would be quite weak). Would i simply turn up the trim level on a reamp box to compensate and it would be the same or would there be some noise issues?
I have an itrack sólo focusrite interface with 2 rca outputs I send left to an amp and right to another amp. I use bias fx 2 and AUM. I can hear the dry and wet signal together. Is deriving me nuts can’t figure out how to disable the monitoring. I know the intubas a switch and it’s off still bias fx or AUM si sending dry and wet together and I can’t just have the amp sound only I get the clean guitar sound and the distortion together. 😅😅😅😅 I’m going crazy with this. Can anyone help?
I have a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2. Do I need DI BOX for Guitar Input? Note: I'm not gonna re-amp. Plz help me. Thanks in advance.
Thank you man. This has been a problem for me for a while. The fix was pretty simple too!
Glad it was helpful!!
one comment - the general rule of thumb is to use an ACTIVE D.I. box with passive pickups and passive D.I. with active electronics. So one thing to keep in mind for sure.
I havent quite understood what is exactly in the signal chain when you connect the guitar to the patch bay? In both cases (batch bay and PRO DI) it ends up in the mic level input of the audio card so I guess in both cases there is impedance matching. Does the patch bay converts the signal to microphone level as well but in a different way that the Radial Pro DI does?
GREAT info thanks a ton! I have the id44 as well and love those front DI's
Thanks Adam
Really helpful. I did search for this info for a long time. Thanks!
Depending on active or passive guitar...easy to fix, buy a DI pedal/box , for active guitar passive DI as already low impedence...if passive guitar you will need an active DI with input buffer for your pedals to run at low impedence, then preamp/DI pedal with XLR .....you don't lose your top end & clarity liked you showed along with underpowered signal...helps bass players to...more gain, clarity, bottom end tightness etc...your Radial is a good DI...Noble if you can afford it & the 6 month wait but worth it if you've got the money as fantastic DI box for guitars/bass's/keyboards etc etc...
Thank u no one had shown this. Need it. Keep rocking.
Thanks rolo!!
My problem is that i play 7 sting (passive Humbucker) and I cant go over a 1/4 volume with the input gain on the Hi-z input without clipping. This makes the distortion I'm using through an amp sim sound weak and thin, which no one wants on any guitar, especially a 7 string. Through the line input I don't have this issue is it requires the dial slightly over half to get the same volume. I use the Audient Id4 mk2
Really…I use an Ormsby Hype GTR 7 with passive pickups quite a bit and I never had issues with the input gain…I’ll look into it!
@@TSFAHTPS Yes it just has a weak sound that even seems hard to be beef up with EQ and an amp sim. Not horrible, but just not very full to me. The line in sounds much more full and big, but the downside here is that it lacks clarity that the Hi-z has. It’s frustrating and makes me want to try a more interfaces.
Great video Gabor - thank YOU!!! Do you prefer recording electric guitar through the ID44 (I just bought one) or the Audient Sono guitar interface? Keep up the great videos.
Thanks for this video! I’m still using Amplitube, but soon it will be replaced by Strymon Iridium - and that’s the question: outputs from Iridium have to be plugged in DI (Hi-z) or in the instrument input?
My Interface doesn't have High Impedance, is there any way that input can be EQed instead of buying a DI box?
Man like the content ! Bout to go amp sim pedal straight to interface. Love beautiful chimy fendery tones no break at all for rnb/jazz/funk and as soon as I start to dig in it clips the hell out of it even with an audient ID4 mk2… should I get a DI then ? Thanks in advance.
The iD4 Mk2 has the DI input in the front...it should really just be a matter of getting your input signals right. Get the Id App up on your screen and play your guitar as hard you'd play it when you dig in. That should hopefully work
Only Pre EQ-ing and Post EQ-ing will make your sound better if you have cheap gears. Also check your electricity is whether grounded or not. And of course you need to adjust sample rate and buffer size for your DAW and use the right driver as well for PC. I have focusrite 2i2 solo 2nd gen with default focusrite driver. Sound really terrible using every amp sim plugins which already have IR. I tried change default focusrite driver to ASIO4all because recording or playback keeps crushing the DAW with focusrite driver. With that I solved the DAW crushing problem. Another problem might be EMI or EMF problem if your studio is not constructed by professional. DI box is for to keep dry signal of your guitar while you record with your effect paddles which can give you wide options like blending with amp sim to sound advance. Most interface include thier own DI. You may not need it.
Hello friend. I also have focusrite scarlett solo 2nd gen and pretty much every plugin sounds crap. I thought something is wrong with the focusrite so I purchased expensive Babyface Pro FS. But I get same crap results. I thought the problem might be in grounding in my apartment as it's an old apartment. So I dug up 25 feets and inserted a pure copper rod into earth and connected only my computer to this grounding rod so that no other device/appliance can interfere with the ground loop issue. Only my PC is connected to this grounding rod and nothing else. Also the PC is not connected it to any other equipment so as to avoid ground loop. Result is still the same crap sound.
I thought something might be wrong with electricity, so I purchased a Online UPS which basically gives a constant pure output electricity signal. But yet, still the same crap sound.
Finally I thought to try a different PC. So I purchased a new windows 11 laptop. Yet he same crap sound. It sounds the same on any interface, PC. Muddy, dead and very weird. I'm out of options now. Not sure what's wrong.
Were you able to figure out your issue?
@@ratedrsuperstarthega What amp sim do you use? I used guitar rig 5 and 6, helix native and bias fx. They sound very crappy. Now I'm using neural dsp archetype plini which is the best match to my cheap guitar and sounding great. I think the problem we got is adjusting the right sample rate. Almost everyone record everything with 44.1 kHz. But they mix and master with 48 kHz or above. At first my DSP sound really crappy while listening my playback with 44 khz. Then I switch to 48 kHz and sound become a little bit better. But it give more latency which recording. But you can record with 48 kHz if you don't use too many plug-in too get few latency. My advice is that you have to record with 44.1 kHz first. It may sound crappy. Then export the track and then put it back to 48. Try this instead. I will be keep in touch. Then we will talk about adjusting EQ. I'm didn't know much about audio engineering. But I'll help you as I can.
@@ShalomPhone Hello sir!
I have actually use ALL the plugins out there, haha!
Yes guitar rig 5, 6, helix native, amplitube, bias, everything sucks FOR ME. Strange fact, even all the neural DSP plugins suck for me. Somehow only overloud works just a little in the ballpark of an acceptable tone. I'd still prefer it to sound much better. But overloud is only plugin I can play through sounding 10% of how it must sound.
I've tried playing with 44.1hz, 48khz, 96khz, 196khz, I think 196khz sounds little bit better for maybe just 2minutes initially and then maybe it sounds the same to other frequencies. Some of the plugins don't support more than 48khz, so I keep my default settings on 48khz or 96khz these days. I am mainly trying to get a guitar playing tone right now and not looking to record guitar atleast for next few months. But it just doesn't sounds alright like we hear in other youtube videos.
@@ratedrsuperstarthega My problem is when I put distortion sound crappy. Clean tone works fine. I doubt about IR loader too. DSP and helix have built-in IR loader. So, I stick to these plugins.
This is an AWESOME video!! THANK YOU for the info - VERY well done!
Thanks Bill!!
Hi, very informative review. Kudos.
I have a question regarding impedance with headphones. I set my eyes on iD14MKII and just learned that it has pretty high headphone-out impedance of 20 Ohms. I have Beyerdynamic DT-700 Pro X headphones with 48 Ohms impedance so would iD14MKII impose any distortion or any kind of problems when paired with DT700 Pro X.
The iD14MKII manual says this: "The headphone output can comfortably drive a wide range of headphone impedances meaning that you will get great sounding audio no matter what model of headphones you have"
Thank you in advance.
Why do amp sims sound blocky and not harmonic in the mid range when a chord is played? It's good for single string stuff like Metal but sounds harsh and digital when you use more than 2 strings
My Tascam 1820 had 750k impedance for the instrument input. This results in a loss of high end. A DI box gave a more proper response. An AXE I/O with variable impedance gave more flexibility.
Amplitube 5 through a Quantum2626 is giving me the opposite issue. Over accentuated high end. B and E string on a SC strat are overly bright, and any previous girth has gone missing. Hoping its just an impedance issue. Specs are >1Meg. I've yet to measure, but its acting like when you change the impedance too much on the axeIO. 1meg is about the sweet spot. Going a little lower softens the high end- too low(750k) and its a wet blanket. Too high? A treble thin mess. (Sounds like going from higher output pickups to VERY weak pick ups).
Not sure if this is an Amplitube5 issue, or a DAW issue, at the moment. Hoping its the DAW, because THAT? You can fix.
Hey did you fix the problem?
@@jorgeguitar2540 DI box. Then a better interface.
does the guitar ramck plugin come free with audient id mkii?
No idea…sorry
Excellent demonstration !!
Have you used/reviewed the IK AXE I/O interface?
Thank you very much!
I did an unboxing/first impressions video with the Axe I/O SOLO a little while ago and I have been using it for most plugin videos I have filmed lately! It’s great...works really well and was very easy to set up! I’ll try to get a full demo of it done soon!!
my problem is about the string squeak i hear when i play which is annoying an unnatural, and i'm not talking about low string action. it is soooo frustrating. how can i get rid of it?
Thanks for this video great work.
I have a problem when recording gibson explorer with passive T500 magnets, my signal clip though no matter how I set the gain pots. This is not the case when I record Harley Benton P bass.
Do you connect the guitar directly to the card or do you have some DI to reduce the input signal?
Do you have this experience with any of your guitars with passive electronics?
What pickups did you record with?
Sir amplitube sounds awesome in this video.
It sounds horribly woofy, muddy and wrong when I try the same default patch like in this video (or dial in any sound manually from scratch). I've tried RME Babyface Pro FS and Focusrite Scarlet 2nd gen. Both interface I've tried with high Z input (instrument level input). I've also tried a DI box between Guitar and interface using XLR mic pre on interface. No good results. As a third interface, I also tried my friend's boss GT 10 and Boss GT 100 used only as audio interface (no internal sound from those device). Again, same woofy sound which is full of much.
Tried multiple guitars with Dimarzio, Duncan JB, EMG 81, Strat single coil. Everything sounds woofy.
What you get here in this video just without dialing in anything and with default patch is super awesome sound.
I've tried it on two different Windows 10 PC. And just few days ago I got a new windows 11 laptop. Tried on that too. But everything sounds same, woofy and unusable.
I have no idea what the problem could be - maybe the speakers or headphones you are using?!? It seems to sound really good through every interface I have tried it with on my end. I am not doing any editing to the audio of the guitar…no eq, no compression…nothing…so no idea…sorry!!
I have the exact same problem, and it's driving me nuts. I have a Focusrite Solo. But I've managed to borrow high end souncards in the past and it made no difference. I get good tones with other peoples DI's. So it's clearly something in my signal chain that's not up to par.
@@Antelano I have tried 3 different interface.
Focusrite solo, latest RME BABYFACE PRO FS which is very expensive and Antelop. All 3 sound exactly same. Very very woofy and wrong.
Yes even I get nice tones from other people's DI when processed through same plugins.
Can you tell me about your computer's configuration?
Do you use windows PC or mac?
More detail would be appreciated.
@@ratedrsuperstarthegadid you find out the problem?
Good demonstration.
Thank you
Thank You! Can you Tell me what is clipping ans what it appelé on m'y pédal effect?
Hi I have a question in the case of having a quarter inch low impedance output it’s possible to connect too a quarter inch cable to the input of the interface wich has line/instrument option ? And with a low z quarter inch output is it better to use a trs cable or a ts will be the same ?
Hello ! thank you for the demo, it's more clear ! Please can you tell me the best option... I want to change my audio interface because it don't have W10 drivers... i love the Presonus Studio series and the software package but i don't know how it will handle a guitar input.... or i buy an Audient for the JFET D.I Inputs ? or as i love the Presonus offer, it's better for me to buy the presonus and a DI box ? ( your DI box make loose a bit of gain... :-/ ... ) . i'm a bit lost....
Also i have bought a BOSS KATANA AMP with and USB interface include.... so.... :-/ .... lost lost lost as an old recording home-studio user, but beginner guitar player... tank you !
I've never used a DAW or any other recording software (because I simply haven't had the time to learn how) but this was informative and useful nonetheless. I knew about impedance (or, as aficionados of "That Pedal Show" would say: The Impy Dance) but the issues one might face with interfaces are new to me. I have a Focusrite thing, still in the box. I'm sure this video will be helpful if & when I get around to using it.
I have faced some Impy Dance issues when going direct to fr fr P.A speakers via a mixing console.
Yeah it’s amazing how much of a difference all this stuff makes...and like you said it’s the same when going direct into a PA at a gig...amazing how much of a difference a DI makes
Very nice review..One question.How capable are the outputs of the headphone amp ?For example a 250ohm headphone you have to crank the volume over 12 o'Clock ?
Can you plug a guitar and multiple synths as well as mics and can I plug a phone in as well ? And can it record on to SD?
I’m new to your community, I found you by your Xtone video. The latency for the Xtone is what makes it so popular with guitarists. Is this still the case? You use an Audient, is the latency better than the Xtone. Thank you.
HI, I use Amplitude 5 as my AMp sim and am running a U-Phoria UMC404HD audio interface with the MiDas Pre-Amps. As far as I can tell, all 4 inputs are the same impedence type. I typically run on INstrument Level with the PAD engaged so I can crank the preamp. However, is it better to not use the Pad. Yes, I am A/B testing it but curious to hear what others do without a separate DI and this interface. Thanks!
Hello. Thanks for the video. I don’t know if you will reply but I still need to try. I have an audient iD4 MKII and a charvel guitar with seymour duncan JB.
Using the JFET instrument input of the interface, even at 0 gain my bridge pickup (seymour duncan JB) is distorting. I cannot gain stage. At first I thought my interface is broken but with other guitars (including bass) its working fine. I tried to adjust pickup height of the bridge pickup but there are no differences. Any ideas what’s happening?
With the same guitar, the neck position and middle position aren’t distorting as bad as bridge position
Hi Aditya Bali…I’m not sure why that is happening? Did you try the iD app and see if you can turn the volume down more there? Or maybe try the rear mic input and see if that distorts your guitar too?!?
@@TSFAHTPS thanks for the response!
I tried the mic input in the back of the interface, ofcourse the tone became thin due to low impedance of the input but the output of the bridge pickup was still quite hot. I haven’t tried to adjust input gain at the software because i did not know that was possible. I’ll try and hope for it to work.
Do you recommend using a DI box work mic input to solve this output problem? Because right now my guitar sounds like it has a tubescreamer built inside it
@@adityabali1939hello did you solve the problem?
@@adityabali1939was the issue solved bro? I faced the exact issue with Cort 7 string that came with fishman fluence modern active pickups. Signal clips even at 0 gain on the steinberg interface. Absolutely unable to record anything without clipping. The line inputs sounded muddy and clipped as well. I finally did some research and installed jumper shunts on both pickups to lower the pickup output gain by 8db and then ran the guitar through a passive DI box into the audio interface. There has been a significant improvement after that. I can now raise The input gain knob on the interface till about 1 to 2 o clock without clipping the signal. Basically my understanding of this problem is that most budget interfaces in the market are not really designed to handle high impedance signals. There are some videos explaining how to increase the headroom of the preamps in audio interfaces by modding the guitar cable or adding some resistors to the interface. But eventually the di box is what is keeping me afloat. Problem solved at least by 80%
Hi Gabor,
Thanks for the video. Really helpful. Could you let me know what laptop/desktop you're running this into please? Thanks
Does the di’s signal react to your playing dynamics the same as a hiz input ? Does the amp sim react to the di signal the same as the hi z ? Thank you , great video btw .
Thanx dude. Very beneficial video. I have a problem with my scarlett solo 3 when playing my bass guitar. Now i know that i have to buy dibox or id44. I guess id44 much better than scarlett. Thx once more. And i have 1 question. DO i need to use dibox with id44? Or it isnt necessary?
I don’t think it’s necessary to buy an iD44...it’s a great interface but I’m sure you can get similar sounds out of any interface! Check if there is an instrument input on your interface or a switch to change it to instrument level...if not then a cheap DI will do the trick
@@TSFAHTPS ive bought id14 and it is fab) im happy so much) thanks alot)
@@proparket_officialhello what did you noticed with the upgrade?
Great video, very informational. I’m so glad I don’t have to use plug-Ins. Especially, inexpensive ones like amplitude, ha ha. Sounds terrible! 😝🤘🏻🎸🇺🇸
Thanks. Great stuff. The -10 db cut was active when you use your D. Box?. Maybe that can help. I prefer the sound of the D. Box.
hey dude,I downloaded the "free amplitube 5, yet it has the white hiss as its the free version,yet you dont have the noise,and you have many amps unlocked?
I have audient id22 interface and metal guitar with Seymour Duncan active pickups. Naturally I use DI input on interface, but I've been always interested in these analog DI boxes. Given that these interfaces already have an optimized DI inputs, is there any point of buying one of those analog boxes, if I always will record with VST plugins? Have you tried DI box into DI input routing? Does this produce way more compressed sound? Many questions :)
Nice question. I also want to know the answer)
Any particular answer?
Hey good vid. On that T-type guitar, what's the difference between changing the gain on the interface, verse changing the input gain in the amp-sim?
Hi Gabor helpful vid. I also notice in Amplitube one some of the amp sims they give the option of Hi or Low input impedance. Question for you. You mentioned near the end about low output pickups and being noisy (hiss) by contrast are high output pickups quiet? Or does it have to do with earthing?
Thanks for the video, I just bought this audio interface and noticed that I've had pretty low levels when recording my external digital piano through the mic/line inputs, I'm talking about 1/3 of the line level that I've got on my previous saffire souncard. To have a correct level I had to crank the gain knob too much, thus adding unwanted noise, do you think it is a conscient choice made by the manufacturer ?
I tried the DI inputs that can sound great, but sometimes I don't wanna have that colour on what I'm recording.
When you plugged it into the 2nd input, it sounded better, less fatiguing to the ears
Such a brilliant video, thank you for sharing
Thank you very much!!
It's great seeing proper gain staging with amp sims, well done!
Everyone seems to just crank everything...
Anyway!
I watched you 've got the Leslies in Amplitube!
In Cubase I send a Mono DI signal through a Stereo Group, in which I use Amplitube Leslies as an insert, otherwise I can't get the Stereo Effect, but I would like to avoid that added track...
Any recommendations?
I am using Cubase AI and Amplitube Custom Shop (only for the Leslies).
I'm not a Cubase or Amplitube Sim user myself, but have you tried recording into a stereo track and running the insert on that? Maybe the amp sim will just register it as a mono signal and output accordingly. I'd definitely try that out, but keep in mind you may have to compensate on the amp sim's output by +6dB to combat volume loss due to mono summation
Thanks for explaining this. Very helpful.
Just curious what the latency is like? I suppose this would change based on the pc or Mac you use but I am using a FireWire interface which I have to replace due to audio starting to sound bad and FireWire isn’t a commonly offered anymore. The latency is good but the sound isn’t anymore. And I really don’t want noticeable increases in latency.
my guitar sound always clean probably ı cant connect the amp sim how can ı solve this
Good to know thanks for this video!
Thank you Nicolas
One thing to remember is there is compression on RUclips because it automatically tries to keep the audio of videos below a certain threshold. Nothing I’ve ever used sounds the same as it does in RUclips reviews. People may be expecting it to be identical to the video without realizing that.
Great content very informative video.
I have been wanting to record electric guitars for year and never got the quality I wanted to, I've wasted money on amp plugins amp Sims, microphones , I even bought a new guitar and amp 😂 .
Bias fx 2 does not work at all like it's advertised in the videos with my setup and yet no one really talks about it much. I think people should know what they are getting into and that it is very frustrating to buy something and not have it sound the way you want to.
Finally someone that explains it.
I have a cheap D.I the donner special-I and I am using the focusrite 2i2 2nd generation. Would you agree that in my case it is definitely the scarlett 2i2 that is the problem as it is a pretty cheap interface with cheap preamp.
Should I save up some money and get a decent interface like the one you have or maybe even go for appollo twin ???
Thank you for answers on this, this is a Topic I would like that everyone knows about and stop wasting money on stuff that will NOT give you a better tone.
Dude, trust me, I have been dealing with exact same issue since past several years. I've tried pretty much every plugin that exists out there including Bias, Amplitube, Neural DSP, ML sound, Overloud... You name it and I've tried them all. I too had focusrite scarlet 2nd gen. I thought it's the problem so I upgraded to more expensive RME Baby face Pro FS. It made absolutely NO difference. Sounds the same like focusrite. So $1000 wasted.
I've tried all different guitars with Seymour duncans, Dimarzio, Fluence, EMG...
Nothing ever sounds right. It's always muddy, horribly weird. Can't even explain in words. But you know it when it's not right.
Did you figure out what's wrong with your setup?
@@ratedrsuperstarthega yeahh actually I have , I made the switch to Universal Audio Appollo Twin . I m using a charvel with seymour duncans JB and 59 guitar straight to my pedal board , switch on the 808 and plug directly to the interface , its nice because they have tons of plugins and you can demo them for 14 days before actually buying them. I have to say after buying a wide variety of their amp sims they are awesome and as close you'll get to the real thing, about around 100 dollars US. Like I said you can try before you buy so thats awesome.
I was really blown away by the Suhr PT100 , its a very versatile amp and it sounds awesome. You will want some reverbs too , im using the capitol chambers or the ocean ways studios , its awesome really .
Combine that with delay EQ and compression to your tracks and it sounds Kiillllerrr honestly. Now I never want to stop playing .... but sure its very expensive.
@@ripperthecrooks6428 I bought RME Babyface Pro FS which is high end interface too. I didn't notice any difference between RME and Focusrite honestly. I can do A/B and not know which is which with blind test.
I'm glad you were finally able to get awesome tones from the plugins. But like you said, they were Apollo plugins.
Are you able to get good sound from Amplitube, bias, overloud, neural, stl or any of those plugins which don't particularly require a mandatory apollo device?
@@ratedrsuperstarthega I understand your concern , I was exactly like you asking myself and people around me the same questions. That made me waste a lot of money for what I wanted , people would usually not answer my concerns because it took too long or they trying to keep the secret to themselves. Well, here's the truth. I can get a pretty good tone out of Amplitube4 and Neural stuff , but they usually dont sound as perfect within the DAW , so there is a lot of gain staging involved here and also a lot of EQ work has to be done where as UAD stuff you can configure and then commit to the sound by recording it straight to your daw. Thanks to Unison Technology , it actually matches the impedance to one of a real amp, they sound really realistic. Maybe try to EQ the signal to get it as clear as possible then boost the volume with compression or gain knob. But overrall , if I knew first hand , I would still go with UAD stuff because it would save me a lot of hassle. Hope this helps you down the road , good luck
Trust me, I have RME Babyface Pro FS and it doesn't even remotely sounds anything like this.
I plug Guitar -> High Z input -> Windows 10 PC.
Sounds really dull and lifeless.
I also tried with Focusrite scarlett solo 2nd gen, using the high Z instrument input. Unfortunately same disappointing results.
Want to know which guitar cables do you use?
Also windows 10 or Mac?
Desktop or Laptop?
You really have awesome tones.
Thanks a lot for this video.
Thank you very much. I’m not sure what I do differently...I’m running a Mac and Logic...I think the cable I was using in this video was a not very expensive Fender cable...there is no EQ or post processing...sorry but I’m not sure why it doesn’t seem to work for you!
maybe its the guitar? old strings? eletric wiring? did you solved man?
@@joaov7802 No it did not get solved yet. Guitar and strings are not problem because I've tried with multiple guitars. Regarding electric wiring, not sure what you mean.
Are you facing the same issue or everything seems to work fine with you regarding the tone?
@@ratedrsuperstarthega Hey, I am getting a terrible sound out of any amp sim, though I have a really good guitar and pickups. If you get some answer to our question about this, let me know please. I'll do the same.
@@Razor235G same here.. can you describe what you mean by terrible sound?
Are you using mac or Windows? Desktop or laptop? Also which audio interface?
why would one need a DI box (and put more noise on the sound path) when there is a HI Z input on the soudcard?
I think you misunderstood what I was saying...I was saying that you may want to try a DI if your interface does NOT have a Hi-Z or Instrument level input!
Also if you have a really good DI or possibly a Valve/Tube DI you may prefer the sound of that to the Hi-Z input on your interface...there is really no right or wrong here...just whatever works for you!
@@TSFAHTPS Ok, fair enough.....Then it is my bad, I m sorry. Thanks for your videos ;)
@@TSFAHTPS sure....ok mate ;)
great job.......
Thank you!!
it sounds million times better when you plug your guitar into the patch bay first. There's not much difference when you plug directly input into the interface and using DI box, sounds digital and flat.
Have you ever tried to use the ports 3 or 4 without a D.I. ? is there any difference? And honestly I don't catch the problem you're talking about, why don't you connect your preamp directly to the front D.I. port? you have 2 of them, aesthetic problem?
Ports 3 & 4 are the same as 1 & 2 without the DI.
You misunderstood what the video is about...it’s not about my interface and my DI inputs in the front...it’s about other peoples interfaces - I’ve had people message me and say that they tried plug-in amp sims but they didn’t sound anything like they did in my videos and that they sounded really dull and lifeless...and I’m hoping to help people by showing them that they most likely only need a DI to make it sound good
@@TSFAHTPS ok I wrote too fast probably :-) , yes the impedance is a topic not so known out there for beginners, I understand. Honestly I was wondering about a problem with a beautiful audio interface like that, that's my misunderstanding, and sorry for the stupid question, on the back I noticed ports 3 and 4 as line in input, but there is no jfet indication on the user manual for the rear ports actually. I own an id14 mkii and it works fine at the moment, and the jfet port works ok as well.
Ps: beautiful guitars!
How to avoid latency? help
Hi I have a Focusrite 3rd gen solo so would I need a DI?
No need, your Solo has an Instrument Hi-Z input (right input #2 on the front). 👍🏻
@@aleixdorca many thanks Alex
Probably worth noting, you plugged your unbalanced guitar lead into a balanced mic input.
That’s kinda the whole point of the video…
Don't impede my signal flow...bro! 😀
Sorry 😜
@@TSFAHTPS hehehe
They should teach this in music schools. For real
I'm the owner of the 1000th likes. I deserve one of your guitars 😆
Audient ID 14 or SSL 2 is better
I never had the chance to try either...I like my iD44...thats about as much as I can say...sorry!!
dude about the part where your signal sounds lower in volume you are talking about your studio setup this is not because of the interface directly is more technical and with many possible layers of problems mostly focused in studio setup than the interface itself Ask an engineer about such stuff comment section is not to explain all these but give it a try .I short this first has to do with signals with different impedance from various devices over a patch-bay ,with balanced unbalanced cables and with XLR'S to Line balanced/unbalanced ins/outs...++
The device with the input should have an impedence 10X higher than the device being inputted.
I automatically assumed hardware issues by reading the title. That's how I view the Audient brand now.