Fucking insane guitar. That's what a I love about Joy Division. It was never just about the lead singer. If any of the others died, it'd still be game over.
I never saw the line "the saints with their toys" to be taken in the lower literal mind, he is saying that he's gone beyond the limitation of time, so the saints with their toys is a beatific picture of what the saints were like as children, he got to see St. Francis as a child playing with his toys. Ian at least had a little of that old poet's gift of being mystical, like George Herbert or Novalis.
I remember when I first got into Joy Division...waiting for the middle school bus at the end of my street, bundling up in the gloves and hat my mom forced me wear, blasting "Wilderness" on repeat through my lame over-the-ear style headphones, and fulfilling all sorts of stereotypes about teenage angst. Now, ten years later, the song is still on repeat (though, fortunately, the other circumstances have changed--except for my awesome headphones. I stand by that choice.)
Although made a year ago I just wanted to let you know the Church teaches that aswell that no man is above the Lord even the Popes. Much love and respect to you Crowley
Authority is ritual of complexity, whereby the most complex ritual wins in a vast stepladder of awareness. Those under its powers are driven into lesser posts. The true meaning of life is the expression and establishment of one's authority until the entire stepladder of awareness is achieved.
@nobbilc It's because of the production; dark, "impenetrable," and a vast contrast to the more powerful and aggressive live sound they were pursuing at the time. Hooky has since come to appreciate it, though. I'm not sure about Bernard.
Martin Hannett was drug addict, he was able to understand Ian Curtis's pain and confusion he understood the pain and he was able to help meld it together into a claustrophobic soundscape of what its like to be inside a fucked up head. Hence creating some of the best rock n roll music EVER made.
He mustve listened to these lyrics over and over and if he was someone suffering I camt believe he never realised it with ian...the depth of his thoughts
Most successful lyricists use strategy to make their songs more enduring. The bigger the concept and more permanent the subject, the more enduring the song. Subjects like religion, engineering, and politics are pretty permanent in the world as are many of the vaster educational arguments.
One must not overlook the role drums played in Joy Division's music. Without their drummer, Joy Division's melodies would certainly be less interesting. what's amazing about this band is that despite an overt lack of technicality in their music, when each raw, individual style is put together with each other, it just works.
If knowledge is power and power corrupts then the truth is absolute corruption. If corruption is evil this means that good is only a lie. Depression and psychopathy are the Fundamentalism of the Occult of Post Modern and Goth music.
*The Esoteric Rulebooks* It’s impossible to play a game if you don’t know the rules. Many have tried to write the rule book, but when the game begins to actually make sense, you know you are doing something right. Many rules were written over 2,000 years ago, but people just assume they know the rules. This is folly. They began to recognize the dangers of sharing the rules with a general unknown humanity. That’s why even today the search for the rules is extremely difficult. The awful truth, firstly, is that the actual rules are Esoteric in nature, meaning they are related to witchcraft, mathematics, alchemy and mysticism, and Occultism. However, do to the nature of complexity and the realities of lesser consciousness they contended with political enemies and mostly covered up the rules due to political enemies of a lesser origin who sought to destroy and conquer for basic material goods or raised Christianity as a means to cover up and secretly own the rules themselves for personal gain. The rulebooks written by the esoteric leaders of the past were on the right track but largely incomplete in their nature and the rules of the game require too much subtlety of consciousness built very slowly over extended time to become relevant or useful to most. Most people resign to political law or engineering and science, leading horrible Hellish existences, unbeknownst of their origins or afterlives trapped in a world of food and laborious acts. It is no fault of mine or even the leaders of the past. It is due to the sweeping call of complexity communicated across the spiritual channels that ushers in the lesser forms of humanity alongside the greater perspectives who are often also tortured and killed out of spite because their rules are incomplete. The downward driving summation, gathering of mathematical clarity, implements that attract spirits for gain, divination for truthful accord, and energy of Earthly matter are all just the beginning of an even greater complexity and game. The lines were drawn for the entrance into a human body. Sometimes those lines can be redrawn or broken. -Will Phloam
does any1else think that Peter Hook doesnt get enough credit and praise?? he's over-shadowed by the genius of Ian Curtis, which if it was any other band Hook would be like God, unfair to a degree Joy Division= BEST band ever!
@RHutton2710 Don't mind, at least I would have gotten to listen to good music, gotten to see amazing bands like Joy Division and The Beatles live.I couldve been a hippy. I feel so sad that some many of the people my age don't listen to Radiohead or Grizzly Bear even. I mean I have no one to discuss my favourite music with. I would do anything to go back in time at least even to the 90s and be a radiohead fan from the beginning, it must be amazing to see your favourite band change through time.
@DallyWhitty True...I love the production on 'Ukn Pl' though....I prefer it to 'Closer'...It's gotta be more like a live sound than 'Closer' was ???? And surely more aggressive too ?? 'Closer's' more maudlin and a real miseryfest !! ; ) I do like it though...
nobbilc it’s really a combination of things...Ian’s poignant introspective lyrics and deep voice, Barney’s abrasive guitar, Hooky’s melodic bass, and Steve’s robot-like drumming
*I Traveled for the Witness* I live in the shadows unreachable, instilling on others the spiritual, transcending them with the meaning of life. I am the dry truth and definitions balking at all, the Material Plane, engineering workers, and sciences. I own the truth and the virgin parchment. I am the false conflict in all your lives, I am above our competitive drives. I sit above political parties. I am all life. I am the Sun and Moon. and, I am older than the Holy Grail. I covered it up, with stones anew, complexity calling the Celestials. First comes confusion, then the spiritual, then comes the love, and eventually death. I am immortal, in true Paradise. I witness Hell beside me, But, no, I never roll the dice. I am the electrified cross. I am the aspersion of the waters walked. I, the highest stars, the attraction of dust. -Horace I. Milford
Remember class: Rock and Roll lyrics are NOT poetry. Once they are put on paper they lose ALOT of their power. Poetry isn't designed to be sung. And rock and roll lyrics NEED to be sung. Then there's Ian.
*Religious argument is really based on two theories.* "Eat of the fruit in the center of the Garden and you shall be like the gods" -Satan 1. That the Inner World is the true way to understanding the Outer World, whereby one achieves clarity of mind and thus achieves the spiritual, and 2. The Occultist metaphor, whereby those who have not achieved the Inner World are driven out and away and into the Outer World through false interpretation and a lack of paradisiacal enjoyment in interpretation. This is because it was largely determined that individuals who looked to the Outer World tended to be extreme and dangerous on a whole. This goes back to the original path into becoming a god which was achieved through the copying of books and writing and handed by Thoth who preceded the development of monotheistic interpretations that happened alongside mathematical development of the Number One. Some rumors interpret the Bible as nothing but a dark joke book full of Occultist wit running the western world, but one must first own the keys to its dark humor to understand its passages. A clean mind would see the world (especially the water) as dirt laden and gross because it is aware of the spiritual interconnectedness. -Francis Blake
Fucking insane guitar. That's what a I love about Joy Division. It was never just about the lead singer. If any of the others died, it'd still be game over.
Same with the bass line in this song too
I'm obsessed by this song, this band, this kind of music...
Me too ♡♡♡♡
Moi aussi et j'ai 60 ans.Jusqu'a ma mort ce sera toujours mon groupe préféré.
Same
There is no “this kind”, there is only Joy Division and what followed…
The second photo of Ian when he's looking into the camera, smoking, is just so erie, or mysterious...
Ok..
Man, the riffs and lyrical poetry are just wonderful hallmarks of this band.
you are dead right man!
I never saw the line "the saints with their toys" to be taken in the lower literal mind, he is saying that he's gone beyond the limitation of time, so the saints with their toys is a beatific picture of what the saints were like as children, he got to see St. Francis as a child playing with his toys. Ian at least had a little of that old poet's gift of being mystical, like George Herbert or Novalis.
Dla mnie to jeden z najważniejszych zespołów w historii rocka.A Wilderness to jeden z najważniejszych utworów .Świetna muzyka i piękny tekst.Thanks.
Every song is a Freaking GEM!!!
Joy Division's Music is my Drug Of Choice, Can't Function Without IT!!!
Great bass and drum rythems here , guitar too..
Love the lyrics
Yeah it's like a drum n bass rhythm n I love it too. Happy mondays etc got their sound from songs like this
Ian Curtis, THE MAN! Rest in Peace!
What did you see there?
I saw the tears as they cried,
They had tears in their eyes
I really don't get how this song is so unpopular. I'd rate it 5th out of all JD songs
Rita Rita Has always baffled me as well
I'd probably rate it in their top 5 too, but who said that it was unpopular?
Probably the religious references. The music is a thumper, though.
esto es!!! lo mas grande¡¡¡¡'' que hubo y que hay ¡¡¡ joy division es lo mejor!!!
saludosssssssssssss hombres del pasado y del presente,,,,,,,
The drumming here is fabulous! Well... everything is fabulous!!!
ive seen them live seven times and this sounds best live.best song on unknown pleasures plus day of the lords
Phil Alderson agreed.
you probably get this a lot but you're fucking lucky :D
very lucky I guess
right time right place ha ha
Great lyrics funking awesome
WHY Did I have to been born in 1994?? AHHH it must have been so amazing to see this band and other great music live back in the 70s
I remember when I first got into Joy Division...waiting for the middle school bus at the end of my street, bundling up in the gloves and hat my mom forced me wear, blasting "Wilderness" on repeat through my lame over-the-ear style headphones, and fulfilling all sorts of stereotypes about teenage angst. Now, ten years later, the song is still on repeat (though, fortunately, the other circumstances have changed--except for my awesome headphones. I stand by that choice.)
Awesome bass line, ..........thanks for sharing.
Just Plain Awesome. Listen to the Instruments, then the clean Voice .
Thats the clue, the Clean voice of Ian Curtis.
this is the most underrated song that jd ever did. it runs chills up my spine
bassline is too killer.
And that drumbeat. Sorta like drum n bass.
Too much kill
speechless....
The best track on Unknown Pleasures by a mile!
All is wonderfull with Ian Curtis and Joy Division. Marvellous
Majestic. Always reminds me of Dante and Virgil in the divine comedy. Check out Gustave Dore - visions of hell.
One of the greatest band in UK
polishman 1972
For me, the greatest Joy Division song
Honestly one of my favourites
His lyrics were so powerful.
The base on this is fuuuuuuuuuucking awesome.
Although made a year ago I just wanted to let you know the Church teaches that aswell that no man is above the Lord even the Popes. Much love and respect to you Crowley
truly one of the greatest tracks of all time. many thanks for putting this together.
Hands down my favorite Joy Division bassline by Hook . Dead Souls comes in second and A means to an End makes it to the third place.
I miss this era when music was sincere❤
LEGEND .
from a distance seeing friends just washed up on the shore, a picture in my mind of what's to come before the storm.
Great, touching lyrics, wonderful music.
My favouritwe song EVER...
Superb video and superb song!
Powerful, Dark and simply PERFECT....Joy Division is my Addiction!!
fucking brilliant!!!
yes mam!
amo a joy son la mejor banda de post gotico ke escucharan mis oidos hasta la muerte, fuiste muy grande Ian
What did I see there? a brilliant band.
Hidden gem I recently discovered.
Love this song.
Next to Heart & Soul...my favorite Joy Division song. Great, great song.
Ian was the soul of the band, but he wasnt the whole band. Put more pictures about others, they are same important.
YOu made a beautiful video for this song by an unforgettable Singer and Poet
Authority is ritual of complexity, whereby the most complex ritual wins in a vast stepladder of awareness. Those under its powers are driven into lesser posts. The true meaning of life is the expression and establishment of one's authority until the entire stepladder of awareness is achieved.
@nobbilc It's because of the production; dark, "impenetrable," and a vast contrast to the more powerful and aggressive live sound they were pursuing at the time. Hooky has since come to appreciate it, though. I'm not sure about Bernard.
The lyrics to this song are completely relevant to what’s coming/come to Europe and the uk in terms of immigration and religion.
Martin Hannett was drug addict, he was able to understand Ian Curtis's pain and confusion he understood the pain and he was able to help meld it together into a claustrophobic soundscape of what its like to be inside a fucked up head. Hence creating some of the best rock n roll music EVER made.
He mustve listened to these lyrics over and over and if he was someone suffering I camt believe he never realised it with ian...the depth of his thoughts
This is awesome!
Most successful lyricists use strategy to make their songs more enduring. The bigger the concept and more permanent the subject, the more enduring the song. Subjects like religion, engineering, and politics are pretty permanent in the world as are many of the vaster educational arguments.
amazing, awesome tune
One must not overlook the role drums played in Joy Division's music. Without their drummer, Joy Division's melodies would certainly be less interesting. what's amazing about this band is that despite an overt lack of technicality in their music, when each raw, individual style is put together with each other, it just works.
Deff liking thise song, only the 3rd one I've heard. I'm catching up here. ^^
Joy Division. Bardzo szkoda że Ian już nie żyje
sick track!
Very clever interpretation indeed, Robert.
the most nihilistic song ever. sad a bit, but totally genious!
Awesome!
my favourite song
awesome.
Лучшая песня на земле
Class.
i love you Ian.
mmm yummy! What a masterpiece!!!
COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL SONG !!!!
the guitarist is the best
Unmatched
If knowledge is power and power corrupts then the truth is absolute corruption. If corruption is evil this means that good is only a lie.
Depression and psychopathy are the Fundamentalism of the Occult of Post Modern and Goth music.
2:00 is a good picture
we are on the same page man. good vision
@ekulanders the bass is always kickass
*The Esoteric Rulebooks*
It’s impossible to play a game if you don’t know the rules. Many have tried to write the rule book, but when the game begins to actually make sense, you know you are doing something right. Many rules were written over 2,000 years ago, but people just assume they know the rules. This is folly. They began to recognize the dangers of sharing the rules with a general unknown humanity. That’s why even today the search for the rules is extremely difficult. The awful truth, firstly, is that the actual rules are Esoteric in nature, meaning they are related to witchcraft, mathematics, alchemy and mysticism, and Occultism. However, do to the nature of complexity and the realities of lesser consciousness they contended with political enemies and mostly covered up the rules due to political enemies of a lesser origin who sought to destroy and conquer for basic material goods or raised Christianity as a means to cover up and secretly own the rules themselves for personal gain. The rulebooks written by the esoteric leaders of the past were on the right track but largely incomplete in their nature and the rules of the game require too much subtlety of consciousness built very slowly over extended time to become relevant or useful to most. Most people resign to political law or engineering and science, leading horrible Hellish existences, unbeknownst of their origins or afterlives trapped in a world of food and laborious acts. It is no fault of mine or even the leaders of the past. It is due to the sweeping call of complexity communicated across the spiritual channels that ushers in the lesser forms of humanity alongside the greater perspectives who are often also tortured and killed out of spite because their rules are incomplete. The downward driving summation, gathering of mathematical clarity, implements that attract spirits for gain, divination for truthful accord, and energy of Earthly matter are all just the beginning of an even greater complexity and game. The lines were drawn for the entrance into a human body. Sometimes those lines can be redrawn or broken.
-Will Phloam
does any1else think that Peter Hook doesnt get enough credit and praise??
he's over-shadowed by the genius of Ian Curtis, which if it was any other band Hook would be like God, unfair to a degree
Joy Division= BEST band ever!
He's on many "Top Bassist of All Time" lists. Peter Hook is highly regarded - along with drummer Stephen Morris.
Unique...
@RHutton2710 Don't mind, at least I would have gotten to listen to good music, gotten to see amazing bands like Joy Division and The Beatles live.I couldve been a hippy. I feel so sad that some many of the people my age don't listen to Radiohead or Grizzly Bear even. I mean I have no one to discuss my favourite music with. I would do anything to go back in time at least even to the 90s and be a radiohead fan from the beginning, it must be amazing to see your favourite band change through time.
Ian Curtis was a holy man
silver .............. pure silver
A few tracks on this album have a guitar sound that 'Black Sabbath' could have been an influence...
F*cking awesome !
@Hurt646 I already am into literature, agreed a lot harder to find someone to discuss about.
Neo doesn't think he's 'the one' anymore.
Morpheus is listening in with all of us..that bassline just blew a fucking hole through the matrix.
My Profile has a different live performace of Love Will Tear Us Apart by Joy Division. Note this is not a cover by me, its the real deal.
it's so curious that there are more people wearing their t-shirts than actual views or playings on youtube or spotify it makes you cringe
@Z1lpE I can't understand why Hooky and Barney don't particularly like (especially Barney) 'Unknown Pleasures' and prefer 'Closer'...
Yeah that fucking bassline AND the snare sound does my swede
No! - Ian C. wrote the lyrics; the whole band did the music
@DallyWhitty True...I love the production on 'Ukn Pl' though....I prefer it to 'Closer'...It's gotta be more like a live sound than 'Closer' was ???? And surely more aggressive too ??
'Closer's' more maudlin and a real miseryfest !! ; ) I do like it though...
@glyanez
Trochę przypomina ten Nirvany np z Come as U are...:)
Man created god not the other way around, so no man or god is infallible.
@KnfRaw I think Joy Division'd be nothing without those lyrics...
Barney's guitar is pretty special though....
nobbilc it’s really a combination of things...Ian’s poignant introspective lyrics and deep voice, Barney’s abrasive guitar, Hooky’s melodic bass, and Steve’s robot-like drumming
*I Traveled for the Witness*
I live in the shadows
unreachable,
instilling on others
the spiritual,
transcending them
with the meaning of life.
I am the dry truth
and definitions
balking at all,
the Material Plane,
engineering workers,
and sciences.
I own the truth
and the virgin parchment.
I am the false conflict
in all your lives,
I am above
our competitive drives.
I sit above political parties.
I am all life.
I am the Sun and Moon.
and, I am older than the Holy Grail.
I covered it up, with stones anew,
complexity
calling the Celestials.
First comes confusion,
then the spiritual,
then comes the love,
and eventually death.
I am immortal,
in true Paradise.
I witness Hell beside me,
But, no, I never roll the dice.
I am the electrified cross.
I am the aspersion of the waters walked.
I, the highest stars,
the attraction of dust.
-Horace I. Milford
My birthday is 05/18 ,my 16th Birthday, Ian's Sucide, RIP
Remember class: Rock and Roll lyrics are NOT poetry. Once they are put on paper they lose ALOT of their power. Poetry isn't designed to be sung. And rock and roll lyrics NEED to be sung. Then there's Ian.
Haha... funny one ;) This is real, and I wonder if Britney ever even felt a natural emotion...
9 personas no tienen idea de lo que es música!
*Religious argument is really based on two theories.*
"Eat of the fruit in the center of the Garden and you shall be like the gods" -Satan
1. That the Inner World is the true way to understanding the Outer World, whereby one achieves clarity of mind and thus achieves the spiritual,
and 2. The Occultist metaphor, whereby those who have not achieved the Inner World are driven out and away and into the Outer World through false interpretation and a lack of paradisiacal enjoyment in interpretation. This is because it was largely determined that individuals who looked to the Outer World tended to be extreme and dangerous on a whole.
This goes back to the original path into becoming a god which was achieved through the copying of books and writing and handed by Thoth who preceded the development of monotheistic interpretations that happened alongside mathematical development of the Number One. Some rumors interpret the Bible as nothing but a dark joke book full of Occultist wit running the western world, but one must first own the keys to its dark humor to understand its passages. A clean mind would see the world (especially the water) as dirt laden and gross because it is aware of the spiritual interconnectedness.
-Francis Blake
Yoghurt seems strange, almost out of place
Searched hard for you and your special flavs
These days
These days
Wrong song pal.
Still funny though.