They may have only released two full-length albuns, but Joy Division completely changed music. Without them there's no U2, Radiohead or the majority of 80's pop.
i’d argue the fact that U2 came about from them is the most tragic thing about Joy Division. on a serious note, despite the fact you can listen to every song they wrote un about 4 hours, the amount of depth in their catalogue is incredible.
I heard about Joy Division but sadly didn’t discover their music til I was in my 40s. Now I’m obsessed with them. They have so many good songs but my favorite is Disorder.
@@JaEDLanc yes dead souls is another good one. In the 90s I bought the Crow soundtrack and first heard that song there where NIN covered it. I had no idea that was a JD song until about 5 years ago when I discovered JD.
When Ian Curtis took his own life in 1980, i was an eight year old girl in the GDR. Seven years later i heard a Joy Division song on the Radio for the first time. My heart was racing and i ran to the recorder and i was able to record two or three Songs of the a - side of Closer. A week later the b- side of the Album was played in the GDR youth channel DT64. Since then i've fallen Ian Curtis, his voice, his music. Shortly after the wall fell, i realized that i can now buy all the music in the world that i like. The first LP's were from Joy Divisionen. I have epilepsy. I only found out that Ian Curtis was an epiletic when the film "Control" came in the cinemas. I feel a deep connection to him...
What treatment are you getting for it? & remember Ian had Mental illness Bipolar most of lyrics came from his illness Love Will Keep.us apart is from his affair His mental illness he wanted both & his illness with everything he wanted his daughter when he got it He thought he wanted more only because of his illness its what it does however much you get in your life you want its Still like it's nothing at all its a terrible illness
I’m 76 and grew up with classic 60s rock But also 70s/80s, I didn’t know about Joy Division until I saw new order live, even then I didn’t know who they were at first I got free tickets because I worked at a concert venue in Santa Barbara. But I danced a lot and still love them. Ian is so exactly like someone I know that works as my caretaker, looks like him and acts like him. Ian is so haunting , likewise, the whole situation. Ian has this quality that you want to reach out and mother him. Wish I could have, wish I could have helped. Someone should have helped him that could see through it. Perhaps people tried and it just didn’t work somehow. I can relate because I had my first seizure last week. If you start researching I would start with the book “shaking all over. “About seizures related to music and spirituality
discovered joy division 2 year ago, after hearing my dad talk about them all my life. Now i’ve got every record (some original pressing) posters all over my bedroom walls and i’ve seen new order and hooky and the light live. my absolute favourite band
I didn’t get into Joy Division until my early 40s after I saw the movie Control. I was so captivated by the band I named my son Ian. I took him to a signing when he was an infant where he met Peter Hook. As we approached the table Peter said ‘I had nothing to do with that baby!’ 😂 Now Ian can play Peters’ basslines. To this day, no band can touch Joy Division and Ian Curtis’ genius. I wish he had lived to see the impact he had on so many people.
Big shout out to Martin Hannett what a great sound engineer,he really helped produce a sound like in new territory that no one else had touched on and for Joy Division it worked ,two of the greatest albums ever.
I think he made the drums sound a lot worse on more than a few occasions. Peel sessions has their best versions of some of their songs, I think. Doing stuff in the studio that can't be replicated live... not so sure I think that's so great either.
Thanks for this history of Joy Division. Ian was such an amazing talent, he’s up there with John Keats. We are thankful for what you brought to us Ian, for what you left with us.
Love love love joy division. the power in there basslines && postpunk style always sat well with me. But then once you look into the legacy. It just hits you more, these were ordinary blokes who worshipped music && were waaay ahead of there time. Then there transition into new order just blows your mind. deff will always be a one of the best of the best
I've spent life under a rock. I've heard tons of different bands and genres since the 80s and never heard of Joy Division until I joined my current band in March. Our founder started out on bass because of Joy Division and speaks very highly of them.
welcome to the club my friend. i was introduced to Joy Division by a friend when we were roomies in Davis in 1982. I'm diggin' JD even more at age 63. :)
Fuck yeah! Joy Division is for sure a band that are lager than life. Their songs are still in me and some of them will take root in my grandchildren too.
A great listen about one of my favourite bands growing up in a dull and dreary late 1970's early 1980's Manchester. So many Manchester bands followed New Order who paved the way for the likes of The Smiths, Happy Mondays, The Fall, James, The Stone Roses to name but a few. I'd say some of the Liverpool bands were also inspired like Echo and the Bunneymen, The Farm, The La's, China Crisis and Frankie Goes to Hollywood again to name but a few. What a legacy that man Curtis has !.
A great video but I would say that there is a good way to end this. The band carried his memory and legacy into New Order. And that's why they became the groundbreaking band the were. Ian loved Kraftwerk. They even played Trans Europe Express at some of their gigs before they appeared on stage. Thank you for the video. Much love from Sunderland, UK.
It´s beyond sad and heartbreaking what happened to Ian and that no one really could reach him and help him out. J.D. sure changed modern music and N.O. carried on and took it even further but I can´t stop to think about the direction music would take if Ian was still alive...
do you by any chance know they called themselves Joy Division? it's a disturbing name and I'm just wondering if there was significance to this name. thanks
@@josie9325 Yes, i do, actually! It's a bit disturbing so reader discretion is advised. It's a reference to jewish women in german concentration camps, who were kept as women of pleasure for the officers and were mockingly called "Joy Divisions" by them. (as opposed to, for example "panzer divisions" or "infantry divisions"). The band chose this name because they were inspired by a novel from a holocaust survivor called House of Dolls (their song No Love Lost is a retelling of the book), and chose the name as a homage to the book (the band was originally called Warsaw). Although i believe they were in no way affiliated to the nazis or had nazi sympathies themselves, luckily.
Thank you TMN, Beautifully done. The history and also sharing the genius and sad pain of Ian as well as the creative influence of the rest of the band. Ian's voice and demand of emotion is so reminisent of Jim Morrison of the Doors. Personally having been in bands they truly become like a family and are influenced by the members ups and downs. At least so much of Sound Division's music was still able to be played though the demise of the original band happened so quickly. 🙏💔
Awesome video. That was beautiful. Joy Division is such an influential band. I like to wonder what their music would have sounded like had Ian Curtis not passed away. Anyone have a favorite Joy Division song? For some reason mine is Glass. I love the chaotic intro.
I really like some of their records, particularly the early records and singles, especially, "No Love Lost", "The Leaders of Men" & "Digital." I only like a few off of the LPs, like "Disorder" & "Isolation", but respect the artistry. Similarly, I still see the talent with New Order but can't listen to them at all. It's odd how the same group of musicians can cause such different reactions. The world would be better if Ian was still here, like many who have died young. His life was fleeting but powerful and mysterious.
Weird that there’s an advisory on watching the video at the beginning considering there’s nothing really absurd or outlandish that calls for it in the first place. Besides that. Great video and interesting overall story about this legendary group. RIP Sir Ian Curtis 🖤
I've been into them since 1986 to young to have been into them in 1979 , I remember the first time I ever knew about them was some older kids had a bag painted like we used to do with the unknown pleasures album , they were hard to find out stuff about them then but I borrowed a unknown pleasures album in 1986 and since then we're my favourite band I can't really put my finger on it but there sound is just perfect for me not really even the lyrics just the whole package.I often go on a musical pilgrimage to is graveside in Macclesfield and is house in Barton st ,if you go check out the local decent pubs and you definitely get some kind of vibes of Joy Division.
This might be long but at least it’s honest. I had never heard of Joy Division, I have heard of New World Order but never knew of the connection, it wasn’t till I read The Crow that I started to see them everywhere. At that time I was 17 and the year was 2002, and it was something special. I’m a straight man and there was a woman I worked with that would wear a Joy Division T shirt, I didn’t know the logo of the audio sound. It drove me deeper, there was many nights where I would put on Joy in a smoke hazed room to see who my people were. It’s hard in my late 30’s to not thank The Crow comic, after I read the comic I met someone that lit my life on fire, but something so terrible happened to cause us to fall apart. I still think about that time and the band that changed my life.
I was a kid when their first single hit here in the US, but never made the connection that this was Joy Division. My stupid ass thought it was the Cure. Still, I knew of New Order (didn't care for them), but didn't know of Joy Division until 2023 when I joined a band. Our bassist/founder was obsessed with them and made it his mission that I learn all about them and their music. It took some repeated listening to really dig in and resonate with their music. Now I have a new appreciation for a band that I missed out on because of age. 1980 was a shit year, musically speaking. I was 4. We lost Ian, we lost John Bonham and John Lennon among others I missed.
You have done a cracking job with this video Shawn..and in 20 minutes. There are some facts about the band here that I didn't know e.g. the RCA visit and the sequence of drummers and some great photos of the Joy Division band members together, which I hadn't seen before. The background music fits well to the content. Your own?
A good video, but feels incomplete without a mention of Deborah Curtis, Annik Honore or his daughter Natalie. Ian's complex relationships must've been a significant factor in his suicide
That's your version. I'm from Macc, and knew there were other factors, to this day, that I will not discuss, that might add to your docu. We are quite a tight ship!
Was he drinking a lot of alcohol or recreational drugs because they would have clashed with his meds for epilepsy . It is so sad that he could not take anymore of his illness . I am so glad that the rest of the band started up New Order . I love their music so much . RIP Ian and May the angels fly with you .
I remember planning on seeing JD in late May 1980 as they were slated to start their first North American tour. When I heard he had killed himself, I wasn't surprised....just didn't think he'd do it so soon. I had the original first pressing/packaging of the French 'Atmospheres' 7-inch record backed by 'Dead Souls'. Wish I had kept that.
Very few bands make “a feeling” they didn’t. Just write a few songs, they made music that stirred something inside.. you can’t listen to their music and not feel something quite deep.. that’s why they are one of the greatest bands ever to have existed.
🤍⛅️💛🙏💗Thank You the Music Narative 🤍 Really good visceral short descriptions of the Songs. So Affecting to this Day . Definitely very scary deep lyrics'. ALLLLPeaceLoveJoy Is ALLLLWays for Ian K Curtis | ALLLL🩷
I've heard them described as the first alternative band....I kinda like That. They didn't look punk, more alternative to me. But either way they were a unique band that would have had a bigger impact on music than what they did.
Well unfortunately I can’t correct them on this particular video. Too late for that. But I have since learned the proper pronunciations. It’s very easy to get things like that wrong. But hey, you live and you learn.
Joy Division was the name of a prostitute wing of the Nazi death concentration camps and if you notice the album cover of the young blonde drummer boy is clearly inspired by the Nazi Hitler youth posters. With the previous name Warsaw too (where the Nazis did some of the most fierce fighting of WWII in Poland), there is definitely a Nazi vibe to the band. I wonder where that came from. I've had two Grand Mal seizures myself so I can sympathize with Ian Curtis. The second nearly killed me and left me without any working memory for several weeks. I can't imagine what Ian struggled with as front man of a band having regular seizure, especially having a seizure on stage. I think the excitement of performing and the lights probably made his condition worse. It's weird after a Grand Mal seizure you have no memory of the fits but your body feels like it's been thrown around a room and you often bite your tongue or bottom lip and suffer major back and limb pains. It's interesting how his manic 'dying fly' manic dancing style kinda mimics an epileptic fit slightly. I'm surprised his doctor didn't advise against that. Prolonged movement like that combined with a manic or over excited stimulated mental state can trigger a seizure if you have epilepsy. It's like he either wanted to have one, or was using it in his performance maybe defiantly. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but it is a rather strange dancing style that suggests mania. The look in his eyes is one of panic, confusion, disorientation..like he's running from something but unable and running on the spot. Exactly how you feel before and after a fit or during one, if you remain aware. It's like a fit, only standing up and having the humiliation of everyone watching! It's sad he hung himself alone after struggling with depression and a difficult marriage. It helped turn a fairly obscure band though into a cult band and thousands of fans still visit his grave every year. I've always been fascinated by Joy Division even long before they became popular again, due to how unusual the bands sound was, at times raw and other times almost hypnotic. Love Will Tear Us Apart became a big hit after Ian's death. I loved their beautifully done black and white videos which are quite artistic for the era and worked well for that time when like most families we still had a black and white television! There's a melancholy and bleakness in Joy Division's melodic songs but also a frantic energy in others from the punk rock influence on the band. The late 70's and early 80's was a pretty grim time in England with high unemployment and poverty. It was like living in a once glorious country where its best days had come and gone. The inner city urban areas looked dirty, tired and in a state of decay. The European leaders referred to UK as the 'Sick old man of Europe' in the EEC at the time. Joy Division just perfectly reflects that mood and time. Joy Division post Ian-Curtis went on to become New Order with a new singer and the addition of electronic music equipment. They still kept a slightly emotionaless monotone sounding voice..I remember hearing their debut Blue Monday for the first time. ."How, does it feel.." when I first heard that on the radio, the hairs on my neck stood up. It was like nothing I'd heard before a radically new clean electronic machine sound. There's hints of that machine sound in Joy Division which was looser and lacked the distinctive electronic synthesizer and electronic drum beat trademark sound of New Order. I was about 5 or 6 when punk rock emerged in England around 76-77 it was bizarre. The punks were anarchists they hated everything and everyone. They shaved their heads and some had mohegan hairstyles dyed bright colours. The girls were often just as bad as the guys. They often had safety pins through their noses. There was a lot of anger and violence around the punk scene. I remember one incident clearly. Right outside where I lived I saw a punk lad fight a Mod lad. It was around 1977-78. The Mod lad was wearing their trademark hooded long green coat and skinny fit trousers (now fashionable again!). The Mods and Punks would often clash. The skin head punk had a silly peroxide blonde bleached fringe.He arrived drinking a can of beer one Saturday morning. He put the can down, chased the Mod lad down the road and cornered him. I had seen the punk around before and he may have been the gang leader. He was a really nasty piece of work. He shouted insults and vulgar things to me one time before when he was with his punk girlfriend. . He had s swallow bird tattoo on his neck, bad teeth and the punks usual trademark green bomber zipper jacket, bleached skin tight jeans, and the usual long Doc Martin boots with yellow laces. The fight took place in a closed in area where we hung washing to dry outside which the Mod had unfortunately ran into. There was no way out except the way he went in, where the punk was menacingly standing. The Mod lad tried to climb over the wooden enclosure but was unable. What followed is etched in my mind. It was absolutely brutal. The punk decked the Mod lad in seconds who wouldn't or just couldn't fight. It started with the punk shoving him around hard demanding he fight and calling him a poofter/gay. He shoved him right across the enclosure space and finally up against the enclosure. He head butted him, causing him to fall down unconscious. The punk wasn't finished. He was only getting started. He begins to kick the poor lad with such rage, cursing him with each kick. This seemed to go on for what seemed like ages but was only a few minutes. People came out and told him to stop kicking the lad else he would kill him. It was like he didn't even notice them and carried on just kicking and kicking. The mod lad was absolutely covered in blood. I don't know if he was dead but it looked like it. I'd never seen such extreme violence. After he finished kicking the lad and was out of breath he began urinating on him when around this time or not long after the cops finally arrived. After a scuffle, three of them managed to cuff the thug and dragged him into the police van with their batons used a fair bit in the process and a lot of swearing. I watched the whole thing and saw the poor Mod guy close up lying in a pool of blood..he had blood coming out his mouth and his face busted up really bad. His lifeless body was taken out on a stretcher by ambulance guys. A policeman stood guard by the enclosure entrance. Everyone was trying to get a closer look at him out of morbid curiouslity or to figure out who he was. I'm pretty sure that poor guy was killed that day. For some family to lose their son or brother in such a senseless way, very sad. Those punks just looked scary and mean they were crazy and full of hate no-one was safe around them, not even the elderly, children or peoples pet animals. They were absolute evil thugs. No respect for anyone. You kept well away from in the street and on buses. Even looking at them too long would provoke the usual "What you lookin at cunt face?" remark or you getting spat on. Even as a 6 year old they would have a go at me. Everyday walking home from school I had to pass their gang that sat on a wall between my school and home just a short walk down the street. I dreaded it. They were terrifying. Black and Asian people had it much much worse. The punks were very racist towards them and would attack non white people routinely. I have memories of that. Our local Pakistani family corner shop got bricks through their window by them. And they would go in the shop and just help themselves to things and run off without paying calling the poor shop owner a nice man a 'Paki bastard'. Eventually the cops cracked down hard on the punks. Many probably ended up in prison. They all just disappeared which was a relief. In those days the police used to actively patrol the street in their black jackets with silver buttons and chained whistle. Policing was very different than today. The cops would arrive in van, run out the back of it and chase after the punks with their batons out. If they caught one, they gave the punks a taste of their own medicine with a beating in the back of the van, or back at the station in a cell. Swift police justice.Violence was the only language many understood.
I mostly wanted to focus on the trajectory of the band. I thought about mentioning more personal details relating to Ian but decided it wasn’t completely relevant to Joy Division
@@TheMusicNarrative hmmm… Loved the video but I somewhat disagree about it not being relevant to JD. His torment over his marriage and Annik is reflected in his lyrics. I have So This Is Permanence and read all of his lyrics.. they are all so personal and really told the story of his life. You did an amazing job with this. ♥️
@@djcoinlaundry hahahahahahahahahaha, that was lost. Agree though, you cannot even begin to quote Offspring as being as important as Joy Division. Now The Smith's would have been a better comparison but still climbing to get close to JD.
That drummer must have been really terrible to get kicked out of this band. After listening, is anyone at all surprised the first album only took a day to complete.
He got off on the wrong foot. It's not JOY DIVISION... ITS DIVISION OF SORROW. And MULTIPLICATION of JOY. At least thats what the Bible says when sharing yout sorrow and sharing your joy with a fellow Believer.
The name Joy Division was taken from areas in Nazi concentratIon camps where femaIe prIsoners were forced Into prostitution. Nothing to do with your stupid god.
Personally like music style of New Order much better than JD. Peter and Bernard have such an amazing chemistry combined with synth work of Gillian and Stephen. While JD lyrics are much better than New Order, I would play New Order song over Joy Division any day of the week.
if their so good then how come I can't find not even one song as good as love will year us apart that's it sorry just my opinion,,,not being mean at all
"Rob GreT-Ton", not "Rob Greh-en". "but" is not "buh", "tighT" is not "tighhh" ...... It's so easy to spot someone of the generation that was saturated listening to rap music.
What does any of that have to do with what generation I’m from and listening to rap music? Clearly if you take one look at my channel, your comment doesn’t hold much weight. It makes no sense to judge someone’s character based on something so insignificant. I don’t understand the negativity.
@@markcarey67 he also pronounced harrowing like har-rowing instead of hair-rowing. I think he just reads a lot and doesn’t hear these words in conversation or I don’t know why he’d pronounce all these words wrong.
They may have only released two full-length albuns, but Joy Division completely changed music. Without them there's no U2, Radiohead or the majority of 80's pop.
I like Radiohead's cover of Ceremony. 👍
I would agree regarding Radiohead but not u2 who started in 1976
I still cry to this day... i miss Ian
You say it like it’s a good thing.
i’d argue the fact that U2 came about from them is the most tragic thing about Joy Division.
on a serious note, despite the fact you can listen to every song they wrote un about 4 hours, the amount of depth in their catalogue is incredible.
I heard about Joy Division but sadly didn’t discover their music til I was in my 40s. Now I’m obsessed with them. They have so many good songs but my favorite is Disorder.
It's impossible not to love Disorder.
Disorder is a classic, but my favourite is The Only Mistake or The Kill - anything on Still is amazing
Never too late!!! My friend is 45 and just discovered them, she is obsessed now!
@@JaEDLanc yes dead souls is another good one. In the 90s I bought the Crow soundtrack and first heard that song there where NIN covered it. I had no idea that was a JD song until about 5 years ago when I discovered JD.
@@crazycatman5928 Same. 👍
When Ian Curtis took his own life in 1980, i was an eight year old girl in the GDR. Seven years later i heard a Joy Division song on the Radio for the first time. My heart was racing and i ran to the recorder and i was able to record two or three Songs of the a - side of Closer. A week later the b- side of the Album was played in the GDR youth channel DT64. Since then i've fallen Ian Curtis, his voice, his music. Shortly after the wall fell, i realized that i can now buy all the music in the world that i like. The first LP's were from Joy Divisionen.
I have epilepsy. I only found out that Ian Curtis was an epiletic when the film "Control" came in the cinemas.
I feel a deep connection to him...
Eat exclusively animal products for a few months if you want to get over epilepsy.
@@alxdava2004 Dont be so Stupid omg what a terrible sick twisted thing to say
What treatment are you getting for it? & remember Ian had Mental illness Bipolar most of lyrics came from his illness Love Will Keep.us apart is from his affair His mental illness he wanted both & his illness with everything he wanted his daughter when he got it He thought he wanted more only because of his illness its what it does however much you get in your life you want its Still like it's nothing at all its a terrible illness
@@alxdava2004don't be an idiot thats 100% wrong & especially Dairy is so bad
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I’m 76 and grew up with classic 60s rock But also 70s/80s, I didn’t know about Joy Division until I saw new order live, even then I didn’t know who they were at first I got free tickets because I worked at a concert venue in Santa Barbara. But I danced a lot and still love them. Ian is so exactly like someone I know that works as my caretaker, looks like him and acts like him. Ian is so haunting , likewise, the whole situation. Ian has this quality that you want to reach out and mother him. Wish I could have, wish I could have helped. Someone should have helped him that could see through it. Perhaps people tried and it just didn’t work somehow. I can relate because I had my first seizure last week. If you start researching I would start with the book “shaking all over. “About seizures related to music and spirituality
discovered joy division 2 year ago, after hearing my dad talk about them all my life. Now i’ve got every record (some original pressing) posters all over my bedroom walls and i’ve seen new order and hooky and the light live. my absolute favourite band
I didn’t get into Joy Division until my early 40s after I saw the movie Control. I was so captivated by the band I named my son Ian. I took him to a signing when he was an infant where he met Peter Hook. As we approached the table Peter said ‘I had nothing to do with that baby!’ 😂 Now Ian can play Peters’ basslines. To this day, no band can touch Joy Division and Ian Curtis’ genius. I wish he had lived to see the impact he had on so many people.
Big shout out to Martin Hannett what a great sound engineer,he really helped produce a sound like in new territory that no one else had touched on and for Joy Division it worked ,two of the greatest albums ever.
Faster but slower
I think he made the drums sound a lot worse on more than a few occasions. Peel sessions has their best versions of some of their songs, I think.
Doing stuff in the studio that can't be replicated live... not so sure I think that's so great either.
I do think Martins input is underestimated
The ironic thing is the band hated his production
Those eyes. That stare. That dance. That voice. Love love & more love from USA
The eyes of a dead man
The stare of death
The dance of a corpse
@@sensualpotato fun at parties much.??
@@sensualpotatoCan I use your words for my song?
Thanks for this history of Joy Division. Ian was such an amazing talent, he’s up there with John Keats.
We are thankful for what you brought to us Ian, for what you left with us.
i have love will tear us apart tattooed across my chest. to say it’s my favorite song is an understatement
Have unknown pleasures tattoe on my right arm 🥲
Love love love joy division. the power in there basslines && postpunk style always sat well with me. But then once you look into the legacy. It just hits you more, these were ordinary blokes who worshipped music && were waaay ahead of there time. Then there transition into new order just blows your mind. deff will always be a one of the best of the best
This video is grossly underrated. This video is amazing! Great research, great topic, and great production level. You deserve more subs!
I've spent life under a rock. I've heard tons of different bands and genres since the 80s and never heard of Joy Division until I joined my current band in March. Our founder started out on bass because of Joy Division and speaks very highly of them.
welcome to the club my friend. i was introduced to Joy Division by a friend when we were roomies in Davis in 1982. I'm diggin' JD even more at age 63. :)
Fuck yeah! Joy Division is for sure a band that are lager than life. Their songs are still in me and some of them will take root in my grandchildren too.
This was a very well made documentary. I actually had a tear in my eye. Love Joy Division
A great listen about one of my favourite bands growing up in a dull and dreary late 1970's early 1980's Manchester. So many Manchester bands followed New Order who paved the way for the likes of The Smiths, Happy Mondays, The Fall, James, The Stone Roses to name but a few. I'd say some of the Liverpool bands were also inspired like Echo and the Bunneymen, The Farm, The La's, China Crisis and Frankie Goes to Hollywood again to name but a few.
What a legacy that man Curtis has !.
A great video but I would say that there is a good way to end this. The band carried his memory and legacy into New Order. And that's why they became the groundbreaking band the were. Ian loved Kraftwerk. They even played Trans Europe Express at some of their gigs before they appeared on stage. Thank you for the video. Much love from Sunderland, UK.
💌Thank you for this brotha. I'll never get tired of 🎧 about joy division💔
It´s beyond sad and heartbreaking what happened to Ian and that no one really could reach him and help him out. J.D. sure changed modern music and N.O. carried on and took it even further but I can´t stop to think about the direction music would take if Ian was still alive...
society didn't take mental health very seriously back then. society still has a ways to go.
@@yaddahaysmarmalite4059 I couldn’t agree more!
My brother is named after Bernard Sumner.
Excellent lil documentary. 👏 Well done sir...
Top tier video homie, keep these up!
Genius at work a true rare cool band 1 or two of us missed it back then ,
Ceremony and its B-side, In a Lonely Place, were written by Joy Division but released after Ian's death under New Order
It’s important to talk about his relationship with his wife and what was going on in their marriage when he passed..Love will tear us apart🤍
I can tell a lot of work went into this, great job and thank you for covering one of my favourite bands!
do you by any chance know they called themselves Joy Division? it's a disturbing name and I'm just wondering if there was significance to this name. thanks
@@josie9325 Yes, i do, actually! It's a bit disturbing so reader discretion is advised.
It's a reference to jewish women in german concentration camps, who were kept as women of pleasure for the officers and were mockingly called "Joy Divisions" by them. (as opposed to, for example "panzer divisions" or "infantry divisions"). The band chose this name because they were inspired by a novel from a holocaust survivor called House of Dolls (their song No Love Lost is a retelling of the book), and chose the name as a homage to the book (the band was originally called Warsaw). Although i believe they were in no way affiliated to the nazis or had nazi sympathies themselves, luckily.
Thank you TMN,
Beautifully done. The history and also sharing
the genius and sad pain of Ian as well as the
creative influence of the rest of the band. Ian's
voice and demand of emotion is so reminisent
of Jim Morrison of the Doors. Personally having
been in bands they truly become like a family and
are influenced by the members ups and downs. At
least so much of Sound Division's music was still
able to be played though the demise of the original
band happened so quickly. 🙏💔
Thank you for this!! I have been pretty obsessed with their albums and I find them inspiring!
I'll definitely dive in more into their discography❤
Loved this video! A beautiful way to pay homage.
Brilliantly observed this, well done.
Great video! With this kind of quality, it's shocking for me how could you have only this many views and subs. Thanks for the vid, enjoyed it a lot!
Awesome video. That was beautiful. Joy Division is such an influential band. I like to wonder what their music would have sounded like had Ian Curtis not passed away. Anyone have a favorite Joy Division song? For some reason mine is Glass. I love the chaotic intro.
Thank you! I personally think Transmission is my favorite, especially their live performance
My favorite Joy Division song is probably Atmosphere, but Disorder and New Dawn Fades are pretty great.
I would say ceremony is my favourite joy division song or isolation
Disorder or No Love Lost for me.
Atmosphere.
Excellent story, well done!
Love will Tear us apart is a great break up song...
I really like some of their records, particularly the early records and singles, especially, "No Love Lost", "The Leaders of Men" & "Digital." I only like a few off of the LPs, like "Disorder" & "Isolation", but respect the artistry. Similarly, I still see the talent with New Order but can't listen to them at all. It's odd how the same group of musicians can cause such different reactions. The world would be better if Ian was still here, like many who have died young. His life was fleeting but powerful and mysterious.
Great video! I watched this video after watching Control
Weird that there’s an advisory on watching the video at the beginning considering there’s nothing really absurd or outlandish that calls for it in the first place. Besides that. Great video and interesting overall story about this legendary group. RIP Sir Ian Curtis 🖤
so many of us got our start in punk. its like a necessary albeit awkward cleansing before you can move on and be true to yourself.
I've been into them since 1986 to young to have been into them in 1979 , I remember the first time I ever knew about them was some older kids had a bag painted like we used to do with the unknown pleasures album , they were hard to find out stuff about them then but I borrowed a unknown pleasures album in 1986 and since then we're my favourite band I can't really put my finger on it but there sound is just perfect for me not really even the lyrics just the whole package.I often go on a musical pilgrimage to is graveside in Macclesfield and is house in Barton st ,if you go check out the local decent pubs and you definitely get some kind of vibes of Joy Division.
great music, great lyrics... they say epilepsy and genius go together, in this case they certainly do... RIP Ian Curtis...
The best band of all time. Period!
Echo and the bunnymen
@@peternagy-im4be I liked them too, but IMO Joy Division were just the best.
Excellent documentary thank you so much my friend.
This might be long but at least it’s honest. I had never heard of Joy Division, I have heard of New World Order but never knew of the connection, it wasn’t till I read The Crow that I started to see them everywhere. At that time I was 17 and the year was 2002, and it was something special. I’m a straight man and there was a woman I worked with that would wear a Joy Division T shirt, I didn’t know the logo of the audio sound. It drove me deeper, there was many nights where I would put on Joy in a smoke hazed room to see who my people were. It’s hard in my late 30’s to not thank The Crow comic, after I read the comic I met someone that lit my life on fire, but something so terrible happened to cause us to fall apart. I still think about that time and the band that changed my life.
I was a kid when their first single hit here in the US, but never made the connection that this was Joy Division. My stupid ass thought it was the Cure.
Still, I knew of New Order (didn't care for them), but didn't know of Joy Division until 2023 when I joined a band. Our bassist/founder was obsessed with them and made it his mission that I learn all about them and their music.
It took some repeated listening to really dig in and resonate with their music. Now I have a new appreciation for a band that I missed out on because of age. 1980 was a shit year, musically speaking. I was 4. We lost Ian, we lost John Bonham and John Lennon among others I missed.
Great, and i mean GREAT video, thank you for your research
9:13 never knew Gillian was there for that, I’ve heard that she played a couple gigs with them
You have done a cracking job with this video Shawn..and in 20 minutes. There are some facts about the band here that I didn't know e.g. the RCA visit and the sequence of drummers and some great photos of the Joy Division band members together, which I hadn't seen before. The background music fits well to the content. Your own?
A good video, but feels incomplete without a mention of Deborah Curtis, Annik Honore or his daughter Natalie. Ian's complex relationships must've been a significant factor in his suicide
That's your version. I'm from Macc, and knew there were other factors, to this day, that I will not discuss, that might add to your docu. We are quite a tight ship!
@@Krislights1 The Macc Lads
Was he drinking a lot of alcohol or recreational drugs because they would have clashed with his meds for epilepsy . It is so sad that he could not take anymore of his illness . I am so glad that the rest of the band started up New Order . I love their music so much . RIP Ian and May the angels fly with you .
I remember planning on seeing JD in late May 1980 as they were slated to start their first North American tour.
When I heard he had killed himself, I wasn't surprised....just didn't think he'd do it so soon.
I had the original first pressing/packaging of the French 'Atmospheres' 7-inch record backed by 'Dead Souls'. Wish I had kept that.
Great video :D
Hannett's uber genius production was the second stage of the rock rocket that boosted JD into a sustained success orbit.
Ian Curtis was taken from us too soon, rest in piece.
Took himself too soon
peace
I just feel even more sad because he was just 23 years old. So young.
Very few bands make “a feeling” they didn’t. Just write a few songs, they made music that stirred something inside.. you can’t listen to their music and not feel something quite deep.. that’s why they are one of the greatest bands ever to have existed.
Thank you.
I looked this up b/c Keanu Reeves said his favorite song was Love Will Tear us Apart. 23. Wow.
Very nice!
thank you
great video
The rca Warsaw record is my favorite of their albums.
Best version of "They Walked In Line"
Totally agree.
That was the song that got me hooked on Joy Division in the 1st place.
Also ‘They Walked in Line’
Total burner
🤍⛅️💛🙏💗Thank You the Music Narative 🤍 Really good visceral short descriptions of the Songs. So Affecting to this Day .
Definitely very scary deep lyrics'.
ALLLLPeaceLoveJoy Is ALLLLWays
for Ian K Curtis | ALLLL🩷
Love them
If Ian didn't leave the way that he did I'm not sure that Joy division would have made such a big impact
RIP Ian
Odd how there is not a single Joy Division song in this video.
yeah, i wonder if the lawyers got involved
It’s called copyright
I've heard them described as the first alternative band....I kinda like That. They didn't look punk, more alternative to me. But either way they were a unique band that would have had a bigger impact on music than what they did.
Martin HANnett. Peter SAVille. Could you correct your mispronunciation of their names? Emphasis on the first syllable of their surnames.
Well unfortunately I can’t correct them on this particular video. Too late for that. But I have since learned the proper pronunciations. It’s very easy to get things like that wrong. But hey, you live and you learn.
7:40 is that a very young Peter Saville next to Tony Wilson?
Why did the announcer did not mention “Atmosphere“ during that last month of Ian Curtis existence?
Who's bernhard?
saw em 19 times
Top.
Who's "Bernaaard", it's pronounced "Bernud". Otherwise a good narrative.
Ian Curtis voted for Tatcher. Fuck it.
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Joy Division are hilarious!
SLAUGHTER AND THE DOGS were there
Joy Division was the name of a prostitute wing of the Nazi death concentration camps and if you notice the album cover of the young blonde drummer boy is clearly inspired by the Nazi Hitler youth posters. With the previous name Warsaw too (where the Nazis did some of the most fierce fighting of WWII in Poland), there is definitely a Nazi vibe to the band. I wonder where that came from.
I've had two Grand Mal seizures myself so I can sympathize with Ian Curtis. The second nearly killed me and left me without any working memory for several weeks. I can't imagine what Ian struggled with as front man of a band having regular seizure, especially having a seizure on stage. I think the excitement of performing and the lights probably made his condition worse. It's weird after a Grand Mal seizure you have no memory of the fits but your body feels like it's been thrown around a room and you often bite your tongue or bottom lip and suffer major back and limb pains.
It's interesting how his manic 'dying fly' manic dancing style kinda mimics an epileptic fit slightly. I'm surprised his doctor didn't advise against that. Prolonged movement like that combined with a manic or over excited stimulated mental state can trigger a seizure if you have epilepsy. It's like he either wanted to have one, or was using it in his performance maybe defiantly. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but it is a rather strange dancing style that suggests mania. The look in his eyes is one of panic, confusion, disorientation..like he's running from something but unable and running on the spot. Exactly how you feel before and after a fit or during one, if you remain aware. It's like a fit, only standing up and having the humiliation of everyone watching!
It's sad he hung himself alone after struggling with depression and a difficult marriage. It helped turn a fairly obscure band though into a cult band and thousands of fans still visit his grave every year.
I've always been fascinated by Joy Division even long before they became popular again, due to how unusual the bands sound was, at times raw and other times almost hypnotic. Love Will Tear Us Apart became a big hit after Ian's death. I loved their beautifully done black and white videos which are quite artistic for the era and worked well for that time when like most families we still had a black and white television! There's a melancholy and bleakness in Joy Division's melodic songs but also a frantic energy in others from the punk rock influence on the band. The late 70's and early 80's was a pretty grim time in England with high unemployment and poverty. It was like living in a once glorious country where its best days had come and gone. The inner city urban areas looked dirty, tired and in a state of decay. The European leaders referred to UK as the 'Sick old man of Europe' in the EEC at the time. Joy Division just perfectly reflects that mood and time.
Joy Division post Ian-Curtis went on to become New Order with a new singer and the addition of electronic music equipment. They still kept a slightly emotionaless monotone sounding voice..I remember hearing their debut Blue Monday for the first time. ."How, does it feel.." when I first heard that on the radio, the hairs on my neck stood up. It was like nothing I'd heard before a radically new clean electronic machine sound. There's hints of that machine sound in Joy Division which was looser and lacked the distinctive electronic synthesizer and electronic drum beat trademark sound of New Order.
I was about 5 or 6 when punk rock emerged in England around 76-77 it was bizarre. The punks were anarchists they hated everything and everyone. They shaved their heads and some had mohegan hairstyles dyed bright colours. The girls were often just as bad as the guys. They often had safety pins through their noses. There was a lot of anger and violence around the punk scene. I remember one incident clearly. Right outside where I lived I saw a punk lad fight a Mod lad. It was around 1977-78. The Mod lad was wearing their trademark hooded long green coat and skinny fit trousers (now fashionable again!). The Mods and Punks would often clash. The skin head punk had a silly peroxide blonde bleached fringe.He arrived drinking a can of beer one Saturday morning. He put the can down, chased the Mod lad down the road and cornered him. I had seen the punk around before and he may have been the gang leader. He was a really nasty piece of work. He shouted insults and vulgar things to me one time before when he was with his punk girlfriend. . He had s swallow bird tattoo on his neck, bad teeth and the punks usual trademark green bomber zipper jacket, bleached skin tight jeans, and the usual long Doc Martin boots with yellow laces. The fight took place in a closed in area where we hung washing to dry outside which the Mod had unfortunately ran into. There was no way out except the way he went in, where the punk was menacingly standing. The Mod lad tried to climb over the wooden enclosure but was unable. What followed is etched in my mind. It was absolutely brutal. The punk decked the Mod lad in seconds who wouldn't or just couldn't fight. It started with the punk shoving him around hard demanding he fight and calling him a poofter/gay. He shoved him right across the enclosure space and finally up against the enclosure. He head butted him, causing him to fall down unconscious. The punk wasn't finished. He was only getting started. He begins to kick the poor lad with such rage, cursing him with each kick. This seemed to go on for what seemed like ages but was only a few minutes. People came out and told him to stop kicking the lad else he would kill him. It was like he didn't even notice them and carried on just kicking and kicking. The mod lad was absolutely covered in blood. I don't know if he was dead
but it looked like it. I'd never seen such extreme violence. After he finished kicking the lad and was out of breath he began urinating on him when around this time or not long after the cops finally arrived. After a scuffle, three of them managed to cuff the thug and dragged him into the police van with their batons used a fair bit in the process and a lot of swearing. I watched the whole thing and saw the poor Mod guy close up lying in a pool of blood..he had blood coming out his mouth and his face busted up really bad. His lifeless body was taken out on a stretcher by ambulance guys. A policeman stood guard by the enclosure entrance. Everyone was trying to get a closer look at him out of morbid curiouslity or to figure out who he was. I'm pretty sure that poor guy was killed that day. For some family to lose their son or brother in such a senseless way, very sad.
Those punks just looked scary and mean they were crazy and full of hate no-one was safe around them, not even the elderly, children or peoples pet animals. They were absolute evil thugs. No respect for anyone. You kept well away from in the street and on buses. Even looking at them too long would provoke the usual "What you lookin at cunt face?" remark or you getting spat on. Even as a 6 year old they would have a go at me. Everyday walking home from school I had to pass their gang that sat on a wall between my school and home just a short walk down the street. I dreaded it. They were terrifying. Black and Asian people had it much much worse. The punks were very racist towards them and would attack non white people routinely. I have memories of that. Our local Pakistani family corner shop got bricks through their window by them. And they would go in the shop and just help themselves to things and run off without paying calling the poor shop owner a nice man a 'Paki bastard'. Eventually the cops cracked down hard on the punks. Many probably ended up in prison. They all just disappeared which was a relief. In those days the police used to actively patrol the street in their black jackets with silver buttons and chained whistle. Policing was very different than today. The cops would arrive in van, run out the back of it and chase after the punks with their batons out. If they caught one, they gave the punks a taste of their own medicine with a beating in the back of the van, or back at the station in a cell. Swift police justice.Violence was the only language many understood.
wow, thanks for sharing this
✌🏻😭
godfathers of new wave??
Also, nothing about his wife? His alleged mistress?
I mostly wanted to focus on the trajectory of the band. I thought about mentioning more personal details relating to Ian but decided it wasn’t completely relevant to Joy Division
@@TheMusicNarrative hmmm… Loved the video but I somewhat disagree about it not being relevant to JD. His torment over his marriage and Annik is reflected in his lyrics. I have So This Is Permanence and read all of his lyrics.. they are all so personal and really told the story of his life.
You did an amazing job with this. ♥️
NARRATOR: Curtis' failing marriage and breaking family are entirely relevant to Joy Division.
Well... at least we still have 'Control'
Any autopsy? brain scans? etc.
Story of WEEDEATER
the background music is so wrong.
Funny that the only two proper punks left alive are Rotten and Morrissey.
Mozzer a punk?
Joy division and the Offspring are two of the most iconic bands of all time.
Lol offspring is very derivative and unoriginal. Not iconic. In fact they are forgetful. Can’t mention them in the same sentence as joy division.
@@djcoinlaundry I don’t agree, check out smash and ignition they are amazing albums, maybe you haven’t heard them yet
@@kungpao-wp2sq are they pretty fly
@@djcoinlaundry yes they are amazing albums
@@djcoinlaundry hahahahahahahahahaha, that was lost. Agree though, you cannot even begin to quote Offspring as being as important as Joy Division. Now The Smith's would have been a better comparison but still climbing to get close to JD.
That drummer must have been really terrible to get kicked out of this band. After listening, is anyone at all surprised the first album only took a day to complete.
Steve Morris is legit good, on a level with Mick Fleetwood. They needed a drummer of that quality who could keep up with Hooky
Hyperbolic.
He got off on the wrong foot.
It's not JOY DIVISION...
ITS DIVISION OF SORROW.
And MULTIPLICATION of JOY.
At least thats what the Bible says when sharing yout sorrow and sharing your joy with a fellow Believer.
That's not where the name Joy Division came from.
The name Joy Division was taken from areas in Nazi concentratIon camps where femaIe prIsoners were forced Into prostitution. Nothing to do with your stupid god.
@@preston74 yeah, it came from the name of a group of nazi sex slaves.
Please stop pronouncing Bernard like that, its making me feel uneasy 😭
Beautiful presentation...thank you
Personally like music style of New Order much better than JD.
Peter and Bernard have such an amazing chemistry combined with synth work of Gillian and Stephen.
While JD lyrics are much better than New Order, I would play New Order song over Joy Division any day of the week.
The best? No, surely not, but the SADDEST voice in history, for sure.
Why do Americans think they invented punk?
if their so good then how come I can't find not even one song as good as love will year us apart that's it sorry just my opinion,,,not being mean at all
ru serious??
"None of them had much musical experience"
No shit. The crap sucked.
"Rob GreT-Ton", not "Rob Greh-en". "but" is not "buh", "tighT" is not "tighhh" ...... It's so easy to spot someone of the generation that was saturated listening to rap music.
What does any of that have to do with what generation I’m from and listening to rap music? Clearly if you take one look at my channel, your comment doesn’t hold much weight. It makes no sense to judge someone’s character based on something so insignificant. I don’t understand the negativity.
what the fuck are you on about?
@@TheMusicNarrative I didn't notice that one but you did mispronounce Martin Hannett's name
@@markcarey67 he also pronounced harrowing like har-rowing instead of hair-rowing. I think he just reads a lot and doesn’t hear these words in conversation or I don’t know why he’d pronounce all these words wrong.
excellent documentary ❤
A truly remarkable collection of music. Sadly, New Order is not.