Joy Division: The Poster Children Of Post-Punk | Amplified
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- This 70-minute documentary covers the entire career of Joy Division, one of Manchester and Post-Punks most respected bands. It charts the entire short lifespan of the group, from their origins in their days as Warsaw to the more well known incarnation of Joy Division. Features include rare musical performances, obscure footage of rare interviews and rarely seen photographs. Plus review, comment, criticism and insight from; Mick Middles, co-author of Torn Apart: The Life Of Ian Curtis; former NME and Melody Maker journalist, Barney Hoskyns; Ex-Mojo Magazine editor, Pat Gilbert; Manchester punk musician and author, John Robb; music journalist and author David Stubbs; and more.
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I saw JD once and was blown away by Ian’s voice, and by Stephen Morris’s drumming. I also saw one of the early New Order gigs, where they broke down, started crying and walked off after 45 minutes. The audience was also in tears.
Do you know which gig it was? Would like to find the video
I saw JD on Friday, February 8th, 1980 at London University. Killing Joke was the support band. Both acts were brilliant studies in icy brutality.
The original KJ bass player Youth wore an immaculate white suit, and Ian danced with demented abandon. He was gone four months later at the scant age of only 23.
Ian was a class act who left far too soon.
Thanks for the memories.
My dream gig.
@@unakennelly Una, you had to be there to believe it. Youth played such pulverizing bass patterns, I thought my ribcage would collapse. As for JD, they were in
another league entirely. For a very short time Joy Division was the best group on the planet. Stay safe.
Hey i seen killing joke as the opener for tool they were still good even now
You sir, are like a time machine, and very very lucky to have been there.
@@RuiLuz I still have the 7" single of "Transmission". JD was a great band, who made equally great music.
It bums me out how people don't learn that the people who joke and laugh the most tend to be the most internally, mentally stressed and unhappy people around
yes, the closer one gets to the edge the happier one seems
But when the laughter stops
I don’t think any had mistaken Ian for a happy person though.
I'm literally right here.
its because people in the end do not care about anyone but themselves.. The lonely few left that feel for others have to deal with that...
How he was able to write such lyrics in his early 20s is just amazing. Obviously, Ian was an avid reader and must have devoured books constantly.
Yeah, Curtis really knew how to make those book things work.
I was introduced to Joy Division when attending art school in '79. I will always remain in awe of their work. It truly was a pivotal time. I am happy to have experienced it.
It’s madness. Only a 2 year career and here I am still fascinated
Pistols were only around a few years and are still influencial now..great danny boyle series on London scene
Numan is awesome a lot of punk is tiresome
It's not Madness. It's Joy Division.
My dad introduced me to Joy Division as a kid we would play Chess and listen together. I have loved their music my whole life and have a tattoo of the Unknown Pleasures artwork however it is so bitter sweet to me now because my dad died last year in June in the same manner as Ian Curtis. Today is my first day listening to Joy Division again however, I don't think I will be able to watch the film Control for a very long time.
My condolences to you on your father's death by suicide. I hope that you have many happy memories of your father's life to sustain you in your time of mourning and seek out the company of friends, family and professional therapy. I would also suggest a bereavement group where you will find others in need of comfort.
I'm so sorry to read that. Good you shared that here though, among friends from afar
watch it babes xx
❤️
You were blessed 😇- Kudos to your dad to have that special connection in Joy Division.
Condolences 💐 to you for your dad. 🥰
Ian Curtis wanted to leave the band in April 1980 due to deteriorating epilepsy. Others convinced him to stay. But only on the understanding that they'd write & record new songs, work towards a 3rd album, but do minimal gigging until Ian's health improved. That was the deal. Mindful that even The Beatles stopped touring as early as 1965, well before their best songs, I believe Joy Division would've continued to create outstanding music. Ceremony & In a Lonely Place were evidence of that. So whoever organised the US Tour at that particular time (May 1980) screwed up VERY badly. That was certainly a factor leading to the early demise of a highly talented young man. Easily one of the best songwriters of any generation. To this day, Ian Curtis's death at age 23 still seems such a sad, terrible waste, but also an avoidable tragedy!
@@Tdub0911 Thanks for sharing your experience. That sounds very bad indeed. Very good points also. - We know Ian's epilepsy was deteriorating as more UK gigs were cancelled shortly before his death. So I can imagine how he felt privately about an American tour at that particular time. He'd be beset by increasing doubts, fears, insecurities, etc. With his personal/emotional life also in disarray, the collective pressures became intolerable. But I still sometimes wonder what might have been had they only stuck to the original plan of taking a longer break from touring & just focused on writing songs & more recording? They were an incredible band, despite their all-too-brief existence.
@@Tdub0911 honestly, I didn't know about the infrared light. my cousin's ex-wife had a "mild" seizure once when we were visiting and it scared the shit out of me. I cannot imagine having to go through that experience and the knowledge that it can hit you at any time is something else. hope you're doing better, mate.
One of my biggest "what if" questions I ponder is what if Joy Division had toured the U.S?
Would they have been ignored and returned deflated OR would they have been like The Ramones and seriously changed some heads; create a new wave or even just create more bands in influence?
@@TheBalloonHoax I’m not sure how American audiences might have reacted to any band if a charismatic singer lasted only a few songs during some gigs, as happened in UK? In the UK we read reports of some fans rioting after Ian had to be taken off stage due to his epilepsy. But had Ian Curtis’s health held out, I think they’d have been a huge success in the U.S. I think this band was so good that their music would've had few problems breaking America. Not that they ever courted commercial success.
For sure!! Curtis definitely helped the rest of Joy Division in the direction they should take their music. Ceremony with Curtis singing was simply beautiful.
Fantastic documentary. I’ve seen everything about them and own everything I can think of by them. Even though I’m 56 now but every time I listen to them which is quite often I feel 14 again when I fist heard them. They’ve really helped me through a rough childhood that’s for sure and I am ever so appreciative. I always played them in my car to my young children and tried to expose them to such wonderful music and to this day when I think they don’t really remember they do very vividly and live their stuff. I recently asked my sons what song really resonated with them when they were young listening with me in the car. Surprisingly my oldest son just really loved Ice Age which kind of surprised me but even as a grown 25 year old man he just beams when he hears that song. My other son was Digital because it was kind of nursery rhymish and Shadowplay. My daughters never got too much into it like my sons did but I guess because it was special to dad it was special to them. I really hope they listen to them and appreciate them as mush as I did when I’m gone.
The crazy thing is Ian Curtis makes such good "lyrics" you can read them and still be transported. I put quotations around the word lyrics because I truly believe Ian was a poet. The sound of joy divison adds to Ian's words
Thanks for your Words... Cheers from Huntington Beach CA... I will always be that Deathrocker kid.. now ancient.. haha I'll be 49 this year.. peace
Spirit Son of Ian Curtis:
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@@dronniebrascowtf his lyrics were based on his life & especially his mental illness sadly.
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Two words: Martin Hannett. That man's contribution to Joy Division's rightful status as a legend is immeasurable and shamefully overlooked by the majority of the ignorant, great unwashed. Kudos for going some way to illustrating this masterful producer's input.
I doesn't take much effort to understand the weight of his influence.
After Hannett's demise, the bands that he produced went into a comatose state. They did not die but they did not flourish either.
Not to mention the massive, spectacular quality discrepancy between live and studio performances.
JD themselves would agree. Martin gave JD something very special...... The test of time.
Martin Hannett has tracks of his own with group his group «Tiny Girls « or like that around that time period. Tracks were on some compilation album.
You can only bring out that which is there, like a sculptor
So glad to see Joy Division and New Order get renewed media attention in recent years. True pioneers who pushed their music to transcend their influences and be that influence for future New Wave/synth rock and other genres like acid house. True legends!
Ian Curtis was punk's Edgar Allen Poe.
This was an awesome documentary, thank you so much for posting this. Joy Division was a landmark band and it's a shame they don't seem to get the proper credit they deserve. Look at how many Bands this group influenced. I think that is the true impact there, not the amount of records they sold or songs that charted. They sort of remind me of The Pixies in the way they impacted so many other bands. I think Ian Curtis was a great front man and musician, his suicide is the real tragedy. I also loved New Order.
Silly to say they don't get credit - they are recognised now far more than they were in 79-80
Joy Division was a perfect combination of ingredients. Ian’s songwriting, the band’s unique sound, Hannett’s production and the time and place of 70s Manchester.
Hooky was some bass player, leading the music where it went into.
Still is.
I’m going to his concert on May (if it happens. It was supposed to be May 2020)
First The Smiths and now Joy Division! You're getting all of my favorite bands! Do The Stone Roses or The Cure please!
No mate the sound and anything Adrian borland
This is one of a series of docs called "under review" made in the UK like 15+yrs ago. Many different artists were covered in this series. I watched the "under review" doc on velvet underground years ago.
This channel doesn't make these documentaries, but you can ask them to get permission from the original creator for more. There is one made about The Smiths, but sadly not The Cure or Stone Roses.
@@SaintMartins There is a doc about Stone Roses out there called Blood on the Turntables. All anyone has to do is search for the band on youtube with "documentary" and see what comes up. There are things about The Cure as well, out there.
The cure slaps harder than my dad
It’s crazy because they aren’t amazing musicians. Similar to the Ramones. Just a group of friends that loved playing together and learned along the way. It’s like they almost accidentally became incredibly influential and progressive. It’s raw, that’s why I think it’s so special.
I feel incredibly lucky as I saw the band 3 times, met them, and one of the 3 gigs was their last at Birmingham - all completely without any great effort to be there or do so, just through perople I knew. Great times!
I enjoyed this documentary, although some of the talking-head interview material is a bit fatuous (but it's better than some similar programmes). Those interviewed should have had name captions, as there's no clue as to how you should understand the context of their comments - and that really matters.
The talking heads have definitely gotten fat.
In Germany we recognized Unknown Pleasures immediately as an epigonal masterpiece opening a new chapter of music. After that many new Bands were formed. New Wave was born. Also Goth and Industrial.We had Amon Düül 2, Can, Kraftwerk and Neu! which influenced them like The Doors, Stooges, Velvet Underground ,Bowie and Sinatra.But this again was a totally new flavour.
A lot of very early Warsaw/Joy division bootlegs came out of Germany, I’ve got ten of them. They definitely had a massive following there.
Well its not in German so your lying.
Can Vitamin C is a tune and Radioactivity by Kraftwerk, Joy Division ➗ Joy Division Transmission RCA session 1978 is definitely inspired by Kraftwerk sound, worth a listen!
@Stefan Blue leave old blues eyes out of this
@@NeverOddOreveN1 always nice seeing other CAN fans
I couldn't believe Ian Curtis's speaking voice. I suppose he would have sounded like that but having only ever heard his stage/singing voice it was a bit of a surprise.
Yeah I was struck 2 a. So vulnerable, maybe.
I live and grew up in australia, grew up listening to sweet, marc bolan, david bowie, queen, sex pistols, joy division, too many to mention, long live english rock
'not particularly well educated?' as Grammar school children they were considered to be in the top 20%
Very well put together documentary. Well done Amplified.
They simply licensed it from somewhere, it says at the end it was made in 2006 by someone.
@@eboethrasher Correctamundo.
Who on this earth would call Joy Division " The Poster Children Of Post-Punk"...
I thought that> Poster Children?
Psychedelic Furs Rule!
The guy on the documentary probably just says that coz Joy Division are considered the best Post Punk band ever.
Absolutely love this band. Sadly I didn’t find them until I was in my 40s.
Had no clue who they were until I watched the movie '24 Hour Party People'.
Better late than never buddy!
Busy doin cat stuff man.
Same
Same here, maybe we are late but we are here. Much love
Ah, Joy Division. First heard them in the winter of 85/86 whilst living in W. Germany and omg...they literally changed my life. Fucking Godhead...Cheers!
I still own the original DVD of this. I really thought this´d be a new documentary but nevertheless thx, it´s always worth watchin´ it again.
I didnt really appreciate JD until I was in a band covering their songs. What makes them unique is the instrument structures in the songs. The guitar is the core of the song, the drums and guitar lock in. The bass leads the melody.
I'm a musician as well although solo without a band. I hear the bass diving into lead way more often than any band except for maybe the Canadian band forever known as Rush.
Joy Division blasted through the minds of mediocrity and left a dramatic life long impression on me and the kind of music I enjoy playing. As with alot of session musicians I can play virtually anything out there but when I'm playing Joy Division I feel that the layer upon layer of sound allows me to branch off and play with them as a compliment rather than simply mimicking what the mainstream hears.. I usually don't like to draw a whole lot of attention to myself but when it gets warm here in Los Angeles ingot to keep a window open or two inside my home studio. A friend of mine who is storing some of his possessions in my garage said that when I was playing Shadow play and 24 hours he observed several people walking by and stopping and listening even hearing someone who he estimated being in their 60s say thst sounds so inviting and so cool yet so familiar but could t seem to figure out what songs they were. Joy Division was truly a trailblazing force and has given me inspiration to create my own little Post punk Rock and Roll type atmosphere that for at least a short period of time make me a rock star as well.
What all of you don't know is that my music comes from simply playing the piano. I'm not a guitaris bassist or a drummer and don't have any formal training other than learning on my own over the last decade. Yet I can play to Joy Division songs and melodies and sport my own style thst makes people's heads turn and say wtf that's sounds so incredible so fresh and lively. Their music may be forgotten by the end of this century. But it's timeless influence has gotten me so dialed into my instrument and I will forever know that because of their influence on my expression of music has and will be the the most profound effect on my life.
Imagine being JD and creating a stone cold classic like Love Will Tear Us Apart and it's not even your best song. It's almost obscene.
This is a really good documentary, recommended.
I totally disagree NEW ORDER could never burn hot as Joy Division . Without Ian Curtis , how could it ?
Incredible band Ian Curtis what can you say. Love listening to Hooky in subsequent interviews.
Right. Hooky is such a decent bloke.
1:03:19- What a profoundly ignorant statement, I know a lot of American people, including myself, who were so fucked up over Ian's illness and death we wouldn't have minded joining him. New Order was exactly what I needed to keep going, they were the best possible outcome and I still listen to them and Joy Division several times a week.
Either this guy is totally?clueless or he's just a snob, either way he should have kept his mouth shut.
As an Australian who grew up just after this era, but who loves bands of the time, here's my take on that statement. Yes, JD were influenced by American bands like Velvet Underground, MC5, Iggy and the Stooges, but those bands never really broke in America, they only became widely known after they had broken up. But JD were also influenced by European and UK bands like Neu, Kraftwerk, Sex Pistols, perhaps T-Rex? All those bands did acheive a level of success in UK or Europe. So in 1980 a band influenced by all the bands I've listed went down well in the UK, Germany, etc. But their music was largely ignored in the USA, except by college radio which didn't have the influence then that it would gain later. So JD gigs in palces like The Netherlands sold out, but I can't see them playing full houses in large venues in the USA in 1980.
I loved Slaughter And The Dogs. Cranked Up Really High and The Bitch are essential listening for punk historians
When epilepsy is part of your young life you don't see how it could possibly end well. I love this band but it's hard to watch most anything on Ian Curtis knowing what he may have been thinking or at least having similar ugly thoughts. I hear the pain, but it's beautiful.
Feel so sorry what happened to Ian! The guy had some really dark demons that he could not overcome unfortunately and with it being a different world back then, people didn't really talk about their mental health like they do nowadays! So sad......
The best thing, that happened to Manchester, since sliced bread.
He said not well read 😂 Ian was a genius .....no one is even close since?
Their sound was minimalist but the best example of bass becoming the true heart and center of the sound. This was perfected by Bauhaus later, and nobody since has made the bass as powerful or interesting as these two bands.
nobody since? really?
@@BootsORiley -If you can name a band where the bass is as interesting I’m all ears.
Mostly bass went back to being as simple as possible. Mostly guitar and piano lead. In some hip hop you might get a riff. Nirvana had one good bassline on Bleach and I’m still waiting for a good bass centered band. I would love to be pleasantly surprised again. Where are the future Peter Hooks or David J’s?
Mike Watt is perhaps the greatest bass player America produced. The Velvet Underground and the Stooges were the first bands to use cool bass lines. Lady Godiva’s Operation by the Velvets or Dirt by the Stooges come to mind.
Mike Watt played some cool lines in FIREHOSE in late 80’s, but he got drafted in the Stooges reunion. His two bass band Dos with Kira was cool, but apart from that, bass went back to just filling the space between keys/guitar and the drums.
Flea plays a great bass, and yet I don’t hear him leading enough in RHCP to make him center of the song.
Tones on Tail had a few good lines and then came Love and Rockets and it all went away. David J now writes really great songs on acoustic guitar and piano and we are now in the future of no good bass lines. It’s making me want to go buy a bass and start tinkering like I used to. But, I might be the only one listening.
If Peter Hook & Davi J are the pinnacle of "interesting" bass, then there's really not a whole lot i could do to change your mind. "Interesting" is subjective, and your mind is set.
surely you are familiar with Victor Wooten? His work in the Flecktones?
Stuart Hamm?
if you aren't well versed with those two bassists, then you aren't adequately equipped with nearly enough knowledge on the subject, to be quite honest with you.
And if you are quite familiar and you claim to not find them and what they have done for the instrument "interesting", then i can only reduce that you are being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.
i will still spoon feed you decades of knowledge regardless. But, the truth is, currently, there are players on social media like Instagram and RUclips like Charles Berthoud who could legitimately hang with Victor Wooten and the greats. There are plenty of otherwordly bassists to this day. The torch got passed down after Joy Division, Owen.
As far as Krist N goes, he had a great bassline on Nevermind, too. On "Lounge Act". His acoustic work to serve the song on The Man Who Sold the World cover was excellent as well. He was rock solid, very under-appreciated bassist. There are *two* great licks fr Bleach, btw, "Blew", and "Love Buzz".Bleach held up incredibly well over time, in my opinion.
Les Claypool inspired countless people to pick up the bass, i of no exception, especially during his most explorative years (around '99 - '04). Like Primus during the Hallucino-Genetics Tour (2003), Oysterhead, a supergroup w Stewart Copeland and Trey Anastasio, his band with guitarist Buckethead - who is an absolute monster on the guitar - as well as Parliament Funkadelic synthesist Bernie Worrell, and also his band The Fearless Flying Frog Brigade, which was mostly centered around improvised jams. Check out: Oysterhead - Mister Oysterhead,
Frog Brigade: Thela Hun Ginjeet (it's a King Crimson cover, a band also revered for their interesting bassist who would end up inspiring Tool)
Ryan Martinie's work on L.D. 50 was groundbreaking bass guitar for the prog metal, math metal genre
We're not going to forget about the king of Jewish thump, Geddy Lee in Rush.
Eric Judy's playing in Modest Mouse might be the only thing you might find palpable. Him and Armistead Burwell Smith from Pinback. Maybe the playing on the Built To Spill records.
Mike Watt is a living legend, and he inspired Matt Freeman. check out: Rancid - Maxwell Murder. The rest of that album, ...And Out Come the Wolves, is a 10/10 punk rock album in my opinion, and it's absolutely dominated by that gritty, punchy, snarling sound that Mike was getting on that fIREHOSE project, as well as Freeman's diligence, carrying the album. You legit might like that if you like Mike Watt.
In the 80s, Hook wasn't the only European bloke playing the bass really well. Have you already forgotten Mark King from Level 42? Or is that echelon of bass playing while simultaneously singing really not "interesting" to you? Some would argue that Colin fr Radiohead, Geezer fr Sabbath, Ox fr The Who, Dino Paladino, Guy Pratt fr david Gilmour, Jonas Hellborg, and Justin fr Tool should be mentioned in the same breath as any other European bassists. If not pioneering (Geezer for heavy metal bass and influenced bassists like Cliff Burton who influenced countless others) or Colin (he shined on one of the 90s most groundbreaking records [OK Computer]), then surely Justin's syncopated, textured polyrhythms in 21/8 (in 7empest) might interest you? You can find him leading the charge throughout many of Tool's passages since their Lateralus record, very interesting use of odd time signature seamlessly blended with the processing side of his rig (sub octave envelope filters, parameter-controlled phase shifters via expression pedals, his new custom fuzz octave wah pedal, etc). The way he makes all of this work and work well within the confines of something as busy and mathematically demanding as Tool is an art within itself while pushing all of that air with his custom Wal bass and 18 inch speakers, while still allowing the guitarist to breathe, and the drummer to work his magic (consider to be the best in the world)
Marcus Miller - "Power"
Jaco Pastorius.
look, i could keep going on and on and on, but if Peter Hook is your idea of peak performance on the bass guitar, then i really should say no more.
@@BootsORiley - The way he wrote for Unknown Pleasures was to put the bass in the forefront melodically. It wasn’t about chops, it was about taking a background instrument and making it foreground.
Yes Tool is perhaps the greatest psych rock band and they are amazing, but it gets dark to the point for me I check out a bit. Primus is great, and all that is wonderful but it doesn’t have the same feel to me.
I appreciate all the artists you mentioned. I probably have to investigate further and I will based on any unfamiliar to me.
Really I am looking for hypnotic/ melodic lines more than the blistering assault of speed / prog/ death metal. I am always in favor of an acoustic double bass whenever possible. For me a line like “Step Right Up” by Tom Waits is entertaining as anything. My aesthetic leans towards the element of surprise more than just a heavy approach. David J was a surprisingly inventive player putting fretless electric bass through distortion. I love players like Fernando Saunders on Lou Reed’s The Blue Mask. That kind of playing gets my attention most.
My favorite kind of bass line would be The Lizard by Robyn Hitchcock. My thought is make it groove more than be punishing. So for that, I am on the hunt always.
Tracy Pew of Birthday party was cool. Barry Adamson is cool. Those kind of players are the ones I have a lot of love for.
@@owenwilberforce6138 “it was about taking a background instrument and making it foreground”
I’m grateful he did that, as it paved the way for other greats to shine. Ox and Jaco and many others came before him, but I’m glad Joy Division made room in its music for that. I will listen to Unknown Pleasure with more intent and single out Peter more - you do know what you’re talking about - although honing in on Justin from Tool seems alarming when I named (in my mind) far more interesting players.
Do you think that because I named Tool’s bassist that I’m drawn to brutal intense speed bass? Listen to how he supports the track on “Disposition”. He’s possibly the most versatile bassist I named, tbh.
Surely it’s not because I name checked Ryan Martinie? If so, you didn’t do enough investigating. I don’t listen to their playing because of speed or “punishing” bass lines. I prefer melody and intent and service to song. Mark King was speed and dexterity maybe, and not a great example, perhaps, and Marcus Miller may fall into that category. But to say they’re uninteresting players or didn’t do much for the instrument in the 80s along w Stanley Clarke would be extremely short sighted.
I saw Claypool play a set of Tom Waits song once. Very cool.
We listen to bass guitar for very different reasons, and that’s ok. There’s really nothing I could say to change your mind. I can’t force you to hear the bass like I do and vice versa.
If you were a teen at the time things were not particularly great. We always lived in the shadow of the Boomers. Still have all my original Joy Division records and we're still getting screwed by those boomers.
If you were a teen at the time then you are a boomer.
@@helenbartoszek243 I find it difficult to draw a rigid line in the classification of generations. If born in the mid 60's the relationship to the so called baby boomers is somewhat lacking. There are differing views on where the line is drawn. It is like a comparison of the two television series Happy Days and That 70's Show. Seemingly two shows about growing up in two eras roughly 20 years apart, which I think was no accident on the creator's intention of the later. The band of Billy Idol called Generation X was aptly named to relate to a certain disenchantment of feeling at the time along with the punk and post punk scene in general. If anything there is another term known as the doom generation that is perhaps a better description of youth that became of age in the time we are discussing.
If you were a teen at the time, you are a boomer.
@@sharksport01 Born in 63. I know there are differing opinions. Obviously the members of Joy Division are Boomers. Post WW2 born between 1946 and 1964 are considered Boomers. By the end of the cycle things had changed so much it's hard to compare the early to later individual reality. The nihilistic mentality of the Gen Xers was already creeping in. As apposed to the failed peace love movement of the Hippies.
I was a late teen at the time Joy Division became more widely popular, in part thanks to John Peel. The Nazi iconography and imagery was not unusual at the time, being a carry over from the punk era, and used as a shock device, an act of rebellion from their parents generation. Other bands of the time, like Manchester's 'A Certain Ratio' used similar imagery and references in songs. Also think of all the Nazi-sploitation movies of the time.
It was quite usual to see swastikas painted or drawn on walls and the like. For the vast majority it had little to do with far right politics or leanings, but was to appear 'edgy' or 'anti- establishment'.
Certainly different times and views from today.
You can try to twist it but I was there in the day in NorthWest England and it wasn't . We were then and still are "far right" as they call it.
Sid Vicious would usually wear a t-shirt with a swastika on it.
They hardly made much money as Joy Division. A few measly bloody quid a week treated like working stiffs
I’m always surprised at how short Peter Hook is in band photos. I always think he should be the tallest.
than you JOY DIVISION for your music.i m listening to you until now 2021....
At 60 years old I'm so glad that I was part of this era...best music around ever x
I lol when I heard him say that JD wouldn’t be accepted in America. Their music was the book of Psalms to all of us here in the states who’s lives where written n the lyrics of DM, the Cure, Yazoo, the Smiths, and NO.
We still weep and mourn the loss of Ian as much as MH.
MH?
@@sandgrownun66 Michael Hutchins INXS
@@JasonSavorn Michael Hutchence.
@@sandgrownun66 correct 👍 sorry 😞
In the top 10 of greatest English bands ever.
Fantastic band. Recall lining up outside record store in Auckland on release day for first UP then Closer. Must say these journos look a little young …
I'm such* a Huge Fan and I am so grateful for the Music 🎶 they did give Us, that I am saddened by the short(quick, seemingly pain-filled to the point of Ian being un*able to see a better way of life for himself, his band mates, his Young Family) and devastating end with his death.
I'm not thinking "Oh-what a shame they didn't make more Music", though I do get that.. it's more than that. I'm sad for his Family, and for*Ian Himself. I don't think people talked about their feelings at all- Men in particular, back then. I hope We learn how to help each other so that people don't have to feel So* all alone(even in a room full of people). God, Our Creator, and if it's Your will Lord, I pray for hope increased, faith strengthened, and more expression through Music, Dance and Art, and any other way that is a healthy channel and sometimes release of anger, sadness, confusion, frustration, etc.❤️🔥🎶.Amen 🙏
And King's Lead Hat is an anagram of Talking Heads. Thanks a lot, I'm here all week. Is this on?
I absolutely adore PUNK i just hate sex pistols i am really sorry. i LOVE JOY DIVISION. One of the greatest post punk band ever!❣
It's okay to not like something or someone but still love the genre. I love music but I can't stand opera or musicals. Shit happens!
Wouldn’t it have been interesting to see what sort of bloke Ian would have become. Very sad, obviously.
Still, incredible impact from such a short time - but without Joy Division we’d have had so many fewer bands we all love. Almost impossible to measure the number of bands these guys influenced over the years. New Order continued that same influence of course. Amazing stuff. Privileged to be alive through this time and enjoy so many bands who came about because of these men - and Gillian!
Also - as a mad U2 fan, there’s no U2 without Joy Division. Fact.
I cant' watch this anymore, nobody mentions the fact that nobody cared enough to take care of the poor aspergers Ian Curtis. Not even in this documentary.. what a load of toss, you should be ashamed of yourselves..
1:03:19. - Don't forget The Doors. I hear TONS of Morrison influence in Curtis' vocals, especially live
The most innovative band since The Beatles
can't imagine the level of paralyzing anxiety ian felt on the eve of a tour of the us which would universally make or break them potentially, 23 with a marriage already on the rocks and a child he didn't feel he'd been involved enough with. seizures that were becoming more intensified. a lot of grief on his inexperienced shoulders. bless him.
I wish there was a documentary on the remaining 3 post Ian Curtis’ death and the way they had to pick up the pieces in 1980-1981 to the creation of NO. Without Ian’s death….there would be no New Order, no Electronic and their three albums, no Revenge, no The Other Two and NO’s extensive back catalogue.
Agreed, man. I've always thought that. There's definitely one hell of a story there..success pulled from the pits of disaster really I guess? I mean ppl usually have to write fictitious storylines lesser than that story..🤷♂️
New Order: Story exists. ruclips.net/video/DEXM30tuGN8/видео.html
I always wonder if they would’ve gone in a similar direction had Ian lived. I can’t really see him singing World In Motion with the England football team.
@@AW-kr9fl I’m trying my best to even picture that. 😂
Radio, live Transmission
Ian seemed and sounded old beyond his years . . .
Age isn’t so chronological sometimes, as attitudinal.
R.I.P. Ian Curtis
The Jam, The Pistols and Northern Soul All Nighters. Music was exciting once
It probably still is exciting if you're 14
Curtis 'not well read'!? Compared to what?
The band of course went onto becoming New Order after his death.. I was fans of both in the day. Punk influenced so many bands at the time. It was an exciting movement in music that can never copied. Great music came out of Europe and England during that time. Popular music today is very sterile for me.. I’m still waiting for a new movement in music to come.. This decade hasn’t really established itself with great music. I will not be completely negative , there are some of those influences in Modern Electronic and Indie music that I quite enjoy today.. Top 40 really just doesn’t interest me.. ( My opinion and comments )… These times are gone but never forgotten…
Thrilling documentary. Magnificent ✨
Joy Division had developed into a Velvet Underground clone during "Unknown Pleasures".
By "Closer", they had expanded into a much more balanced band. They would never had become New Order had Ian not died however, there would probably have been more development on the outskirts of the Cure and Siouxsie and the Banshees, in my opinion.
This is an excellent documentary about one of the most interesting and influential bands of all time.
Was lucky enough to see them as a support act in 1978
14:05 so true! Listen to Joy Division-even Ideal for Living-next to Skrewdriver (🎶"WHYT POWUR!!! HURR DURR"🎶🥴) and it's like filet mignon next to literal shite
I wish I hadn’t suddenly had this thought, but it’s quite plausible.
Were the Pistols, specifically John Lyden, cultivated in order to bring about desired social change in the youth of Britain?
Where did he come from?
Do we need to look harder at Malcolm Maclaren? Who were his most important influencers and perhaps sponsors?
Things that look random sometimes look like that deliberately. They’re not always random, the way we normies naturally think they are.
I mean, obviously a multigenerational conspiracy is mad, right? Could never happen.
Laurel Canyon is just coincidence.
I’m also asking questions about Tony Wilson. Who influenced him at Cambridge? Cambridge was heavily linked to the covert services in U.K., Russia and the US. It’s not without precedent that tutors shaped the thinking of their young charges. Because Wilson personally shaped Manchester in the post-punk era and the legacy of The Hacienda persists to this day.
Hannett loved working with them, he said 'It was great because they didn't know anything, so I could do what I wanted.'
Loved this band from the word go! Thirty years later, since I first heard them, man..….! Great musical broadsword holy cow!! I'm sorry I've not the proper words to say except wow..
This appears to be the same doc as "Joy Division: Under Review". (See link below)
ruclips.net/video/JfboxlfOvwo/видео.html
It really is a lot of clips from said doc, but because hes speaking over it it counts as transformative. (Although he seemed to give up talking for the end of it..lol) still a neatly packaged doc I guess..but the ads were wayyyy too much. I got 8 which is fuckin obscene. (Not a complaint just a statement)
It says at the end that it is copyright 2006, it seems like it was essentially lifted entirely from another special.
"Britain was about to be exposed to punk..." Yeah, first from The Ramones and later from the Sex Pistols.
The doctor could have given Ian anti-seizure medicine and also recommended that he wear protective lenses on stage.
one of my fav bands and this was just posted today. god bless
This band will never date or become forgotten.
The only part of Joy Division I get is Ian. As a kid growing up in the 80's I was exposed to all kinds of music, but the sounds of JD were lost on me. But I get that Ian was effed up. So was I. We just never met up musically.
Really appreciated this documentary, I learned a lot.
1979 to now. Way ahead of the times.
"She's Lost Control perhaps the closest Ian Curtis got to portraying musically his debilitating epileptic condition", he didn't have epilepsy at that time it's about somebody he met through his work
Great documentary. However, I'm a bit disappointed there was no examination of "Ceremony" and how we'll never know the true lyrics Ian wrote for it.
"It was dark times....Thatcher had just got in...." What an absolute pillock.
I tend to agree with him, Thatcher was a horrible human being!
@@Pazuzu82 She almost single handedly dragged GB into the modern era, and helped to end fascist tyranny in Russia. Her anti-fascist stance is why she is hated by the reactionary left, a tiny but noisy demographic who adored the USSR and all the hate it stood for. Thatcher: modernisation of the UK and destruction of a brutal regime. The Left: 100 million murdered, oppression of 2 billion, and attempted downfall of democracy and freedom in the UK. No contest, really.
She was an absolute pillock - and her legacy is a whole generation of Tory pillocks in government.@@Pazuzu82
Ian is an genius
What tedious, joyless journalism. Terrible.
Outstanding documentary. The unique bass lines of Peter hook hit the cracks. Digital is by far, top of charts in my playlists. Joy Division 🔥
Reallly good. I went to Salford in 84 with my friend who was born there and bought JD records and bootlegs and went to the Hacienda
"We want to imagine what it would be like, without having to do it ourselves", oof.
I Like Joy division
Did any Factory Records acts hit it big in the US? Unless they had a good tie up with US promoters and distributors they would have needed a lot of time and word of mouth support to make any impact. Stage shows doesnt do it alone and Punk label didnt sell in those days. Tough business.....
today punk is new metal guitars played fast w emo vocals and very slick production even metal is emo how that happen?
I don't think you've heard Backslider, Su19B, Gas Chamber, and many other intense bands that mop the floor with whatever unnamed poser punk bands you're talking about.
@@corruptedhiker Those bands is brilliant sludge-infused powerviolence straight from hell it said
@@postworld1185 and I would agree!
Stupid comment, Post-punk is not a "modern" genre...
It always amazes me how Love Will Tear Us Apart has overshadowed Atmosphere...............simply no contest, in my opinion.
Totally agree. Absolutely beautiful record. Gonna have it played at my funeral.
Love Will Tear Us Apart has a much better melodic hook line that is radio friendly
24hourpartypeople is a masterpiece in itself if you know your world cinema
Yeah, great flick. Just a little bit 'iffy' with the truth! (Tony Wilson wouldn't have it any other way! "Never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn") but you're right. It's a great watch.
@@brazenlilhussy5975 yeah it's supposed to be a kind of exaggerated example of the whole sub scene
Brilliant band so talented way ahead of their time and everyone else!!! R.I.P Ian Curtis gone but not forgotten 🙏🙏⚒️⚒️
I never consider Joy Division to be post-punk. The death of Ian Curtis WAS the end of punk.
Amazing Band and Great video Well Done I'm jealous!
The CBC in Canada, late 80's, did a Top 100 Of All Human History and Recorded Time. Love Will Tear Us Apart was #1
Some of the comments by the journalist are bizzare opinion ,for a better view point the booklet that came with the box set Heart and Soul is far better, They Warsaw sounded like the Clash no more like Devoto era Buzzcocks or Wire ''77'' hard edged rock,they were not educated well Ian read a few books Ballard , Kafka etc
And some of his comments are completely at odds with what his wife Debbie wrote in "Touching from a distance".
Did you HAVE to use that TOTP performance of Blue Monday...?
PiL and The Slits were the first post-punk bands. Joy Division were hugely influenced the first PiL album, as well as by The Stooges and The Velvet Underground, of course. You can hear the influence of The Stooges' "Dirt" clearly on a track like "Autosuggestion".
I was at the first Futurama festival in Leeds (8-9/9/79), where PiL and JD were both on the bill on the Saturday. Unforgettable
I luv the structure of Autosuggestion how the tension slowly builds and builds!
It's only Atmosphere that really does it for me, it gets me every time I hear it.
direct6ed by Anton Corbijn, who also directed the JD film, Control..!
Not well read? Curtis was an arty bookworm. But very original and well talented
Mad thing to say that Curtis was not well read, his film music & book choices were all art house, he took a gig just to see William Burrow’s.
You don’t write joy division lyrics without an interest in literature.
I saw JD in Oct 79.. they were great but I thought it was totally unacceptable for the bassist to have a beard. anyone of my age will understand. Love the experts on IC... truth is you don't know..