Perspective: If you can't enjoy the game because you have little time to play... your game's shit. I played vanilla 4 hours a week back when it came out. I enjoyed the heck out of every second.
Errr, you do realize that you could barely do any endgame content with 4hours per week, right? In fact, even just levelling, 4hours per week? It took you what, 1year to level one character? I'm sorry, but you're just BS'ing to seem cool. If you went around paying 13$ per month to play 4hours per week, then you were an idiot.
@@tiagomagalhaes7032 4 hrs/week is roughly $.70/hr of entertainment. Still the cheapest form of entertainment available. Also, a lot of ppl in vanilla never did any endgame content. Lots of ppl played the game just to play it. You are literally calling a guy an idiot bc he enjoyed something in a different way than you did. Why?
@@tiagomagalhaes7032 yeah. Took forever to reach Max level. Didn't even really do much endgame, cause then tbc came out. Didn't care. Just leveling was great. Interacting with people was great. Seeing the world was great. Endgame would've been great ofc but oh well.
@@tiagomagalhaes7032 if you’re that pressed about $13 a month and getting your full value out of those $13 then you’re to poor to even be talking in the comments kid. The overwhelming majority of ppl that played vanilla when it was a thing didn’t even hit max lvl. Then you go about persecuting the dude for enjoying the game the way he wants too. Ironically it’s ppl like you who talk the most shit while literally not having a single achievement worth a damn in the game.
What he misses is what this does to the game's design. With third-party gold sellers, Blizzard doesn't particularly care if people are buying gold. It doesn't substantially influence design decisions. With first-party gold sellers, it has massive effects. Wonder why they don't do something about the game's economy being dominated by carrying? Why don't they deal with party finder being flooded with carries? Because if people are buying WoW tokens for the gold to buy the carries, Blizzard is making money off of them! Got to exalted and you finally go to get your mount reward, only to discover it costs 100k gold too? How convenient - just buy a WoW token! What are you going to do, just give up? You already spent so much time farming the rep. C'mon, you can splurge on a WoW token, you earned it! Huh, those potions sure are expensive right at the beginning of the first raid tier of the expansion. Is your team going to skip mythic raiding? Or are you going to do hours upon hours of mindless gold farming? No - you're going to buy a WoW token. Only a few players buy BoEs, though they're often really expensive (read: bought with WoW tokens). But hey, now everyone needs a legendary, and almost everyone will be buying it with gold from the AH! Time for some WoW tokens to get your legendary! WoW tokens mean huge incentives for Blizzard to set gold prices to drive token sales. And to slow down farming. And to increase gold sinks. Even if some of these changes aren't purposeful, if you accidentally create a pinch on mythic raiders that's leading them all to buy WoW tokens to afford potions, you're probably not going to put fixing it at the top of your to-do list.
The whole legendary system is the most shameless facet of this and people still defend ot under the pretence of "well it's the community that is setting the price range, not blizzard's fault", as if you'd need to be some brainiac to guess what was gonna happen with sellable player power.
Statement is true, but if you reach that state of mind then the game itself has lost. It means you're a super casual now and there's no point in playing anymore - you're just staying because it's a habit. That's where I'm at and my game time's almost expired. I just traded all my TBC gold for tokens so that if I come back next time at least I'm not spending real money.
its not really pay to win because there is no win my gosh idiots who dont play a game thinks its sad Lmao better watching bald guy who never touched a game and thinks he is smart
I've always felt the introduction of MTX was the downfall of the MMO genre. Ever since it was first introduced, it has made these companies try and stick their hands in our wallets deeper and deeper every year.
The downfall of the MMO genre was mobile games. You can't compete with the cost-to-profit of a mobile game. They can be developed by a team of like, 4 people and a dog, yet still rake in hundreds of thousands a year. Candy Crush is Activision-Blizzard's fattest cash cow, by the way. Not WoW or CoD. Moving to MTX is one of the few ways to keep an MMORPG alive as it gets older and older. Especially when the level of content increases with each expansion, meaning more development costs. And you can't increase the price of a sub even years after release (note: say hello to inflation at this point), because that kills playerbase. Lower playerbase means less subscribers.
Funny thing is, there are still some completely delusional twitch WoW streamers who claim the game is not pay-to-win. You can quite literally reach the top PvE AND PvP has to offer by being semi-afk and pay for it with real money
I mean you can do it since classic and in every mmo available (yes ffxv too ). It dosnt make it pay to win in my book , i will still win against that guy in pvp and do better dps in pve
@@lolilol535 You mean to say that someone who doesn't have the proper skill is able to receive the same reward as someone who does through being able to pay real money to circumvent any skill required? Thereby making any skill requirement for the challenge useless?
Honestly you could say its been that way a while, things just sort of exploded late into BFA and into Shadowlands. Some guilds could net millions of gold easily with carries and selling rating and so forth. All that gold could be used for anything they wanted pretty much including buying gear.
Carries have been ramping up steadily for the entire history of the game. It existed back in MC, and it was *big* business at least as far back as WotLK. I made my first million doing 5 GDKP runs a week back in 2009. It's only gotten more prevalent since then. It *exploded* in popularity with the WoW token though.
@@marxman6896 It was odd, I quit early BFA and came back towards the end. The amount of boosting had probably doubled if not tripled since when I last played and it's basically normalized. I made a few mil in a short period at the start of Shadowlands selling RBG boosts myself, there were too many buyers to the point where we had to turn a lot of people down due to fear of being overloaded with customers.
@@ZeranZeranNo one I knew openly spoke about buying gold. I'm not aware of anyone in my guild that did buy gold back in 2007. I certainly was never given anything back then. I earned all my Mage crafted gear, all my consumables, and my epic flying. Maybe you were just playing with a bunch of lazy scumbags?
@@marxman6896 it was more "taboo" back then, also people were very afraid of bans since blizzard support and GM's were actually very active. Friends I played with told me later on they bought gold and now openly do and talk about it but they lied about it back then, well didn't "lie" they just didn't tell anyone.
There are so many players(myself included) that want to play Wow legitimately. But when the Wow token was released, the legitimate way was to buy a Wow token. That really killed the joy of it.
Don't pretend you've never been catfished or were the catfish yourself. It's a hilarious situation. Like when a drunk friend goes with a "hot lady" but then the hot lady turns out to be a Ricardo 2 meters tall and the biggest hands and adam's apple. You can probably even see his dick under the shiny sequins skirt.
Think about this… you have to pay for the retail copy, a monthly subscription, and it’s STILL pay to win. And littered with micro transactions. Where does blizz get the audacity to do this….
Wait what is pay to win? You can get your lego base item yeah, but what else? Curve or KSM or even CE mean nothing when bought, you just become a laughing stock for any decent player Also doesn't FFXIV have like a shitton of mounts in the cash shop, and boosts are common? But keep being a circlejerking goon bro, keep it up
@@maartenm.437 FF14 has an extensive free trial, doesn't sell in-game progression and doesn't need people defending it out of fear that the game is dying.
@@overlord8805 They actually do sell in-game progression. I'm new to the game and was checking out their optional item shop last night and saw you can boost the characters and skip expansions.
@@No_OneV But if ingame currency can't be used to actually win at the game, how is being able to buy in-game gold pay to win? Also you can (against ToS but still) buy in-game currency in FFXIV you circlejerking idiot
@@Lastninjaxoxoxoxox Well, all my friends reaaaaally want me to play FF with them but I just can't get into it. I don't want to leave them but at the same time I can only pretend to like something for so long.
Thing i learned about ff recently is if you buy gil, and then somewhere down the line buy a house. Square checks your transaction logs and if they see anything that looks like a gold sell scheme. You get a ban.
I love the chat calling Asmon delusional and out of touch for saying regular people spend obscene amounts of money on P2W using 70k as a basis, aka the median income, on a video discussing the known problem of random people who spend that kind of money on in-game bullshit. Like who's more tone deaf here. Asmon pointing out how the money some dudebro would spend on partying and alcohol, instead spends it on the cash shop? Or the people in chat, who think everyone's broke and can't afford to spend that money?!
@@Froggeh92 yeah, and like think of smokers. They spend on average, 2500-3000 on cigarettes alone, and we all know people who are poor as shit who smoke regularly. Convert that to wow tokens and it's not hard to see how someone can blow money on that with ease
True very true. That's what I've been telling my friends that spent alot of real money in dota and other games, tho most of it just purely cosmetic. I told them it doesn't matter since they have a job, they enjoy the game then why not. If they don't smoke or drink then that's a shit load of money saved. People spend it on things that entertains them, and if game is your main entertainment then why the fuck not. Only difference is that, you're not in a denial that WoW is pay-to-win while there's some here that for whatever reason there is, to deny that WoW is P2W. Like maplestory, almost everyone in the community know its P2W and no one is even trying to deny that fact. As long as non paying players could also achieve the same thing with the exchange of grinding and farm. Though, I gotta say i kinda despise the idea of subscription based game have the option of P2W. Imo, cash shop shouldn't even exist on subs game unless it's purely cosmetic with no distinct advantage. To be fair FF14 has the same shit as well, just that their cash shop is not as impactful but there's still a tiny bit element of P2W there. Thank god it's only limited to the extent of 4-seat mount. I have not much issue with WoW and FF14 having level boost, as there's not much point in boosting if you're super new to the game. It just make life harder instead. It caters well to players who have played and understand the game, but just don't have the time to play through all the levels. That really ain't too much of P2W in my book.
@@janyeen93 on XIV its a double edged sword. I believe the idea was actually for existing players wanting to play on different servers and not trying to play the game all over again. But that means the lazy can too
the whale mount was explained, and is one of the reasons I bought it. Since they could not hold fan feast this year, and everything was done online, this item and a few others where placed for sale to support the team in place of buying tickets you would normally do when going to these events. Wont lie, also got it because FFIV was my first and still favorite FF game. I am all for calling out "whale stuff" but here I think a little context was needed
lol, you are one of the people they are talking about, trying to justify the cash shop, they are making a lot of money from ff14 subs so why do they need to make even more on events and selling in cash shop? regardless if they called any events off, it doesnt make it ok to run a cash shop like they do. But sensitive snowflakes be melting, always context isnt there?
@@shroomiestshroom3655 MMOs are a niche game for a niche audience. MMOs take way more development and money than any other game genre, because MMOs are designed with the intention of lasting forever, they also target a much smaller audience than other games. MMOs are the riskiest form of game you can develop nowadays. You have to design for longevity, and also make it fun while maintaining a gameplay that keeps people playing and paying. MMOs cannot be small, there has to be a large amount of content on release and every free update to keep people playing as much as possible until the next paid expansion. A company would never be happy with making a minimal profit. MMOs have a small audience that gets spread out more and more with every decent mmo that comes to market. So they make microtransactions to further milk their small audience so that they can impress their investors and keep the game alive. There are plenty of MMOs that shut down despite having an okay following (a following that might be profitable for a non MMO game) because they were not profitable enough to support the company and its investors. This is the reality of MMOs, Blizzard is the worst earner out of Activision's companies for a reason. IMO I look at it this way: if a game is fun and I don't feel like I'm losing or losing out by not buying from the microtransaction shop then I really don't care if there is one. When I played CoD (Not saying its an MMO, but it has microtransactions) I abhorred map packs, because they literally divided the playerbase and you couldn't play with everyone without having bought them. I quit WoW because the game was no longer fun, but I would buy a mount or pet from the microtransaction shop every once in a while when I felt the game was fun and kept me playing for hours every day without feeling like I was paying to work a second job.
@@shroomiestshroom3655 I am far from a whale, I got the mount for one because its something from FFXIV, and because it supported the team doing this years big event in leu of getting a ticket and going. FFXIV is one of the few that actually do a cash shop right, although I would agree the boost items should never have been there and need to be removed. Everything else is optional and cosmetic, and there is nothing wrong with that. Using the term "snowflake" it seems you just want to use what ever words you want to make some argument here.... and failing.
@@river7874 no, this is in Canada. In the US 25k cad would be more like 19k usd. Canada living costs are even higher. This is highly dependent on where you live ofc. Living in the city you can spend 40k where someone else could make 15k go just as far in a cheaper part of the country.
I get 16800 a year. --- Not gonna happen. US is apparently WAY better of than most other countries, more so than I thought; IDK why you guys claim to have such poverty when you don't even know that most of us live on a paycheck a month that is 1300 dollar.....
@@purplestuffs5237 Pre-big bang Maplestory before cubes got added as a whole was the best. Maplestory feels great to play now a days as an action RPG, but the sheer amount of microtransactions and p2w content is extremely off-putting. Really praying for a Classic Server for Maplestory.
My wife is actually a broker for one of those carry communities. She spams chat and plays Hearthstone. She has made MILLIONS in about a month and a half haha
@@godursolamehahaxd9909 for selling carries for gold? Even if WoW didn't sell gold via tokens, people would still buy carries for gold and those people would need a broker. It's a service that's been around since vanilla.
chat was really aggravating, asmon was making a totally sensible argument about how that amount of disposable income is nothing to a lot of people and chat was just berating him with things like "you cant understand what its like to be us, youre out of touch!" because he makes money now from streaming. HE WAS LITERALLY THE SAME AS THE REST OF US LIKE 3 YEARS AGO AND STILL LIVES THE SAME LIFESTYLE.
Depends where you are from m8 , asmon is still leaving in Texas , a country that pays better to be a mcdonald's employee then my country pays to be a great doctor.
@@Manicca Of course you are going to have different numbers in different countries. Every country has its average salary and average cost of living, he is talking from the place he knows, and if you know Asmon enough, you know his friends are just normal average people, and is probably even exagerrating a bit for the sake of it. I'm not here to defend Asmon though, I just want to point out how most of you are just even more shortsighted than what you're claiming him to be.
Missing info: the Lunar Whale is an 8 seater mount (hence the price of $42/33€), and is modeled after the vehicle that the player used to get to the moon in Final Fantasy 4, thus it being one of many homages to that game in FFXIV. That being said, SQEX did acknowledge that such a mount would be a "whale for whales", so they kind of embraced that notion when they introduced it.
Honestly though, I was not willing to spend a dime in the WoW cash shop, becasue the quality of the game didn't warrant extra rewards for the devs, especially not at the price they are sold for. In FFXIV on the other hand, the quality of the game makes me want to support the devs wherever I can, to the point where I gladly accept the title of "Whale" for it. As an added bonus, it's more or less half the price for double the quality compared to the WoW stuff.
@@shakeweller how is it not ok? are you being forced to use it? it's not even advertised with in-game banners being shoved into your face, like it is in WoW at every new addition to it. or would you have them make endlessly more stuff for the same amount of money? if you don't want the cash shop to be there, then just ignore it. they didn't make it hard, unlike others. but the amount of work that was put into the game with not money, but the players in mind DOES justify it for me. i undersrand why people have an issue with cash shops in a lot of other games i've played, and agree with them. but the people that are having an issue with FF14's cash shop are either generalizing out of ignorance, or think themselves entitled to get stuff for free.
The cash shop in FFXIV differs from most other MMOs in one specific way, the profits go towards game development. Yoshi-P made this clear when the cash shop was first introduced.
What does this mean? The money goes into paying the devs? Server Maintenance? I dont mean this as an objection, I think its admirable, if not neccessary, for cash shops to further actual game development, but I'd like to know more
Upgrading the new leggos is tough right now. I leveled up BS so I could do it myself for my warrior. Basically unless you run an army of alts, getting the leggo mats for the new higher ilvl is a terror
Post-WoD they increased the amount of gold you get from quests massively to compensate for the insane goldfarming that happened with garrisons. Legion has a ton of quests that just give you 20 gold and that's not even taking into account all the gray vendor trash that sells for 1-5 gold each. Dungeon greens from leveling can go for about 50 gold a pop at the AH. The economy is so massively fucked and I don't think it can really be fixed without removing the token and introducing some heavy gold sinks.
What you do is lets say Square Enix started a 3rd party company that sold gold in XIV. Then that 3rd party group basically sends info to Square Enix of who bought gold every 6 months and Square Enix just says yeah your character is now banned for breaking terms of service. Basically catfishing the buyers. Buyer would be like.. how did they know..? That would be the best way to combat rmt in the game period. Not punishing the rmt but the buyer. They could also say like we were contracted my the rmt group saying your charater reversed the credit card payments for the gold they were trying to sell you and they told us you were buying gold from them and there's the in game trade that happened that we can confirm you did get gold.
I remember coming back to pvp on wow when that aztec place came out, and seeing just towns of parties offering boosts. I had no idea what they where at first, luckily when trying to get into them I was under geared. I didn't have a clue till one person said you needed to pay and offered a link to a website. I was like na fam
So what if he still lives at home? He makes enough money to support himself and his mother, it's commendable and not too far off from the truth in his case.
You don't necessarily need to be rich to spend a lot of money in a game. I never got into buying premium currency, but there was one time I was really tempted to: I was playing Star Trek Online at the time. I was fairly new in the game, and spent a decent amount of time farming Dilithium (a premium currency in that game). There was one point where I got a call from work where I was asked if I could pick up a shift as they were shorthanded. I was making around $15 at the time. I was tempted to say no because I didn't really feel like it, but then it dawned on me that I was going to spend the day farming dilithium. If I went into work instead and just spent the money I made that day and make many times more dilithium. I went into work that day with the intent of using the money I made to buy the currency. By the time I got home I decided against it because I worried it was a rabbit hole I didn't want to go down, but I totally see how people with fairly modest incomes could end up spending a lot of cash based on the same mentality.
I had a horrible experience with this game, going back 10 or so years ago, and I really haven't been able to let it go... I poured my life into this game. And it broke my heart. You see I'd been playing for years when MOP came out. With a new season of PVP ahead, I saw an opportunity to try and finish a season with a high rating and get rewards and achievements only offered to the top PVP players... Things like exclusive mounts and stuff were on offer for finishing the season with a high rating, and this was no minor feat I was attempting to accomplish... I put together a guild, and had over 20 good players to assemble 2 Rated Battleground Teams... (RBGs) It was a hard road, with many lessons learned along the way, but we were progressing through persistence and pure will and making our way up the ranking system. I was not the greatest leader in the world, and I made a lot of mistakes, but the thing that tore my guild apart was nothing I had any control over... You see one day we joined a RBG and the other team didn't... It was odd, to say the least... This was a Rated Battleground, and we were the only ones in it... So, we capped the 3 flags and took the easy win and queued for the next one. You wouldn't believe our luck! The other team didn't join the battleground again! We capped all 5 nodes and took the easy win... Our rating was climbing fast, and we hadn't had to do a thing... I was a little concerned, and hoped this wasn't going to come back and bite... As we joined the next game... Half my team didn't join... On voice chat (Vent) the cries of "MY ACCOUNT IS SUSPENDED" started coming in... Half my team had just had their account suspended, and I only had 5 players in a rated battleground.... Needless to say we got stomped that game... This broke our guild momentum, instantly. People were scared to even join an RBG game now. So I opened a ticket to Blizzard GMs and explained everything I just told you above. The response I received from Blizzard? "We can not discuss other players account bans with you" I wrote back and asked again: "As a guild leader what should I do in the event of another team not joining an RBG?" They responded with "What do you mean they didn't join?" I opened ANOTHER ticket, again explained my issue... "Other team didn't show up, resulting in my guild members being banned from game" Blizzard: "We can't discuss other players account bans with you" And on and on it went like this... Each ticket taking longer and longer to get a response, and every single ticket being replied to from a diferent GM, who I felt I needed to explain my problem all over again to... Blizzard responses alternating between "What do you mean the other team didn't join" and "We can't discuss other plays account bans with you" No matter how many times I wrote back. rewording, and re explaining my issue over and over I only ever received those two responses from Blizzard.... The issue completely destroyed my guild and my two RBG teams that I had put my entire life on hold to make... My one shot at finishing a PVP season with a good rank, my one shot at leading a winning team, torn away from me and I had no way of fixing it... It totally destroyed my will to play the game ever again... I think there's a gritty black market that blizzard are aware of and profit from. You only have to open trade channel to see people selling carries for real money... I think there's a pay wall in PVP, and skill alone wont get you the gear you need to get to rating you need to get the gear you need to get the rating............. Without paying someone to carry you there, who already has that gear... And part of that system of carrying people's rating up is first "Tanking Down" their own rating by not joining games... Games which we joined and easily won... And Blizzard know and potentially profit from this black market, and this is why victims of this system (like myself) are subverted and ignored when they point out the side effects
I literally don't get the concept of buying items in classic. When i am full equip i quit the game. It's over. I did what i came for. Why would i buy myself out of the game?
*Why do people still try to defend BDO? It's blatant P2W. The more people try to defend P2W simply because it's their favorite game, the worse it gets.*
It's not that bad actually. And BDO is unique and nice game. Yeah, mtx sucks, but it's more pay 2 convince than win and i had way worse experience with this in TESO
@@lunamyself5000 2019 was one of their most profitable years in spite if the kickback they got for BFA. It's definitely working. Like the "Pareto rule" Asmongold alluded to: they only care about the "20%" of players (so-called whales) who will generate "80%" of their profits. Their only concern about player numbers is because a declining playerbase is the worse kind of negatIve marketing for an MMO.
Paying for an advantage over Simeone else used to be the definition of p2w. The player of wow has been p2w for so long they fight and nit pic on what p2w is🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@rickroll9705 Maybe it's just a consequence of the internet getting bigger. There's a huge market for buying advantages, and when sellers are more connected to their buyers it's harder to crack down on that industry.
I actually like to run around farming mats and put them on the auction house. I know it's sort of subpar to do it that way, but I just put on a RUclips video and zone out just farming and enjoy myself.
Wait wait wait, no, that's illegal, you are having fun in WoW !! Didn't you get the memo, you are supposed to hate it now, and play FFXIV, the super cool game where you can have cat ears and buy a house !!!
I would farm herbs for hours just going in circles while I watch youtube or twitch. Its so relaxing. Usually at the start of expansions I would do that.
Are you living in the US or Canada? I feel like that's more a EU and South America thing rather than a North America thing. Compare the WoW token prices for NA vs EU. The price difference in gold can only be explained with a higher demand on EU.
Who tf spends a thousand a WEEK?? I spent a thousand when I moved into an apartment with NO FURNITURE, my weekly budget is just over a hundred for everything.
@@Evija3000 I earn 1300. - They talk about spending 90% of my pay in ONE weekend, but doing that EVERY weekend, and saying they aren't delusional. If they said 100 dollar I'd be "fine", but they said 1000 dollar..... . . . . .. just no... They do not live in our world...
asmon is not out of touch here when he talks about people spending a K for drinking on one weekend. I know plenty of people who make less than 50k a year and will randomly spend more than a K on drinking and clubbing regularly
@@dushas9871 Most college graduates from first world countries find 50k achievable. The demographic of WoW most likely find 50k a year very achievable. We are talking about a game with an insane barrier to entry. You have to pay $60 for a new expansion AND $15 a month.
@@luiscastro6204 No. The entire world isn't US. Average paycheck a month here is 1300-2800 a month. He's saying spend 98% or 50% on that on ONE weekend. That's not going to happen. Sorry. Delusional and inconsiderate.
Just gotta say, someone who specializes farming gold paying someone who specializes in running m15s is good for the economy. Both players have value in what they're doing be it selling tmogs/rare mounts/reagents or clearing mythic Janna. As I'm sure mythic raiders get salty when a farmer pays for a run, the farmer is just as salty the raider makes money so easily. Now compare this to someone who buys a token and adds nothing to the economy/playerbase. All they're doing is adding X amount of raw gold to the economy which at this stage in WoW doesn't mean a damn thing. Also just a side note for the guys video you were watching. I can play WoW and still hate New World's shop. Just cause I play WoW doesn't mean I like the in game store. Mind blowing.
token doesn't add "raw gold in to the economy" in order for token to be sold for gold, someone has to buy it for gold. Token is irrelevant for ingame economy as it has zero effect on it. It might even have a positive effect, if the token sellers spends gained gold on gold-sink mounts and removes the gold from economy this way.
@@dushas9871 You are correct and I was mistaken. Not that it matters anyways. Even if it was adding raw gold to the economy WoW has more than enough in the market as is.
I never supported pay to win. I was never a perma-subscriber either. What is going on some peoples heads that they cannot live without WoW anymore? A part of me fears to know and even relate a bit. Hopefully I will never develop such a stockholm syndrom style of addiction to anything.
FFXIV cash shop most of it just cosmetic. UNLESS UNLESS you are a fantasia addict it can make your wallet empty or you are a Glamour end game player that bought every cosmetics. raid carry does exist in 14 too but these carries don't profit anything besides Gils since if you are omnicrafter getting rich in 14 is pretty easy. plus current savage tier raid cant be just easily carried because there's always 1 mechanics if 1 player dies, 2 or 4 or everybody dies.
One of the big problems here is the moment you think about converting in game money into real money. I often hear arguments along this: ,,I prefer to work for 5 hours more and buy this, than just play that, it will be the same and I save 10$" while in real you are comparing working in real life to playing a game which means, you don't get any fun from playing the game. And now gotta decide wheter its problem with you or with game
The sad part is that gaming was supposed to be used as an escape from real life. People nowdays are simply stupid. I am tired and sick of people that only watch series and movies if they are "realistic". Same goes for games. If you want realism, go outside
When I was playing retail I looked at Wow Tokens as "time" rather than money. I would rather use ~30min of my overtime at my job for that 171k wow token. No way was I making 171k farming in 30 minutes so it was a better "Value" for my time. Terrible way to look at it I'm sure
an easy solution to this would just be implementing something similar to ironman mode in OSRS, where when you first make a toon you could select ironman and then be locked from trading with other players forcing that character to farm their own gold. blizzard could learn a lot from jagex and the osrs community.
Not sure how implementing ironman would fix mtx and the ability to just purchase items. Jagex has also been allowing players to buy gold directly from them since bonds were put in the game.
My best pal is a booster (rated PvP and M+). He told me that there are 8 ppl on his team and that he alone received payments of ~$8,000 in total to his bank account in 5 months of playing. You do the math. And they still have 15+ gold capped characters idling on different accounts. Honestly it's crazy that so many players use boosting services, and how much real life money they're willing to pay for it... He also said that the trade chat "advertisers" receive 20-30% from the booster's earnings. Now you know why there are so many spammers...
Realistically this can never go away, its a thing of hour times, many people will pay money to get boosted, even if Blizz removes the token they will still buy a boost from a third party system.
Thats not a fair comparison eastern mobile games are free to play, while WoW have a box price on the expansions and a further $15 fee each month, being p2w while having a box price and a subscription fee is just insane.
@@alwaysangry2232 Well, then you don't have to. Those companies raking in money ain't technically hand-cuffing and forcing you to spend the real-life currencies.
@@fembert817 Yeah but that still doesn't mean you are going to be locked out of contents like majority of the eastern p2w models are in WOW. You can still grind, join guilds or play along with your buddies to enjoy casual raiding, M+, and so forth. I don't find it tasteful to spend a bag full of cash in games, but for the convenience and if I consider mu time being more valuable after weighing in the difference then so be it.
The problem with Quality of Life features in a cash shop is that the only reason you as the player need to pay for that QoL item is because the developer made the game in such a way that it was inconvenient. If they are going to go ahead and scrap the integrity of the game in order to sell QoL because "players will buy it from somebody anyway" or because they are worried about Bill and his 2 hours a week to play, then they COULD just as well just give away the QoL item for free. But no, they leave the inconvenience in (such as leveling or backpack space) and then sell you the solution. That's gross. And as for WoW being the same, it was once they added the WoW token. As asmon himself has pointed out in other videos, the difference before the WoW token is there was a risk of being scammed and in the original vanilla run of WoW and TBC, Blizzard had an army of GMs that would respond quickly to tickets and ban people. It was not perfect. But it created a threat of punishment for players that bought accounts or bought gold. They should've grown and expanded that service rather than abandoning it and going full scumlords themselves.
When people bring up comparisons with FF14 and WoW's microtransactions, one is mostly cosmetic(excluding retainers and story boosts), and the other is Pay2Win.
@@thevoxdeus Both those things don't give you a PvP or PVE advantage against other players. You suddenly aren't going to do better at raids etc. by level boosts and retainers. You won't have an advantage over other players whatsoever. Pay2Progress isnt really Pay2Win. You unlock new areas and story, that's about it. But its true that it's not all cosmetics, I will edit my comment.
@@MavihsLH there is not a single item in wow shop that would make you better at anything. You can buy wow token and sell it to players for gold. In ff14 you can buy boost and get Gil printed for you along with your purchase. Also what you weebs are forgetting is that wow allows purchase of token for gold, allowing going free-to-play if you're good at making gold.
@@dushas9871 Except buying gold and using that to receive better equipment than other players is a CLEAR advantage. Buying in game currency is fucked up and clearly Pay2Win. Because the whole game runs on that currency. Also level boosts just boost you to that specific level. You're not offered free gil on a platter. Instead you're just given the gil you would've received if you did the story missions. That means you're making the same amount of gil as a bloke who went through the story. Big difference lad.
"I need to start selling carries again" No no you dont....This is the point of the video; part of the issue with the game is boosting. And thats from someone who used to make 1 mill a month off selling M+ boosts.
There's a big difference that this friend has forgotten, if the system is the one that receives payment, that means there is an infinite amount of resources or gold to be sold, whereas if it is the player that sells gold or other resources it depends on this people limit amount, even if every single player has money to afford 198K gold it's impossible to the player sellers to be able to keep up with the demand. This means that a game which it's own system sells the resources have an elevated p2w / f2p ratio, and those with player-seller system is waaaaaayyyy lower, making it a lot more f2p friendly
I sold vision carries every week in BFA, each run would take 30 minutes for a 5 mask run and would net me about 250k. Just spent 2 mil of that gold to a PvP booster to help me from 2100 to 2400. The same guy that boosted me, has asked me to save +20 keys in M+ so he can unlock them all and will pay me. PvE and PvP boosters just passing gold back and forth while the plebs spend real money :shrug:
This is very real for people living in the nine states that do not have income tax. ie. Alaska, Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Washington and Wyoming. Other states have single digit income tax rates as well.
So I did know people with shit tons of gold in classic WoW who earned it legitimately. The person who bought that item for nearly 200k might have bought the gold with real money, but I knew people who would merch and flip items on the AH who had just as much gold in less than half a year after Classic came out. The other people I knew with that much gold were mages who did boosts all day. You make a lot of gold just running people from 55-60 through ZG, and it wasn’t that difficult to do. It was easier for me to farm ZG than it was to farm Mara of Cath, though I only ever did it to sell Bijous and specifically did not allow boosting. I had people whisper me asking for boosts and I would just let them in for free.
I never bought gold in any game. I never paid more than the game purchase and subscription. Yes that makes me better than anyone that did. Just saying :P
@@MeldinX2 That was exactly his point... he brought up sums that made no sense and he is smart enough to be able to articulate what he's thinking. If you watch the chat everybody goes NO... and he brings up his friends.
Even the pay to win just using the AH totally sucks because not all classes have proper gear in the AH at max level. Would be nice to buy ilvl 240 heroic armor on AH
the thing is 3rd party goldselling is not such a big deal, because alot of the "common" playerbase shy away from that, were as they are the first ones inline once its done by the company itself
1:50 Rather than get catfished by a guy I found an actual girl around my age (21). Although she ended up stalking me (I made the mistake of giving her my snapchat which had my full name and location on it) and having her guild harass me after I decided I no longer wanted to talk to her because she just tried to start fights 24/7. I sent Blizzard proof that this guild full of people were harassing me and making alts when I blocked them and they said that there was "nothing they could do", they ended up stopping on their own after about a month. This all happened at the end of BfA...good times :) Edit: Spelling.
If you want to get a friend or colleague into WoW you literally have to tell them to get 2 addons to fight the wts/sale spam and quit the trade chat due to how intrusive boosting advertisement has gotten. How is this the new norm? How is this acceptable?
@@bigbalticbox That you have to do this nowadays still sucks and helps 0,00 against the WTS/SALE spam in the groupfinder. (even though it's against the ToS but why would Blizzard care lmao). I search for kelthuzad/sylvanas groups once or twice a week and the WTS/SALE spam is depending on the day and time around 50-90% of all groups.
Printing more money doesn’t increase economic output - it only increases the amount of cash circulating in the economy. If more money is printed, consumers are able to demand more goods, but if firms have still the same amount of goods, they will respond by putting up prices. In a simplified model, printing money will just cause inflation. So the same amount of materials just start to cost more and more and more, so they print more and more money and prices go up. It's unsustainable. Gold sellers didn't print gold, the token does - a HUGE difference.
Old school private servers used to do this. Get a couple thousand players, tweak some files, add some new set with bonus stats and charge a $100 'donation' fee for the whole set as some 'backer reward' and they would play it up about going toward server upkeep, adding new servers, etc. Blizzard had these ideas sitting in the back of their heads, Activision heard them one day... Boom, WoW is WAY worse now than those old Private servers.
I farmed gold in the start of shadowlands when everyone wanted their shadowghast equip (I made the 230 rings from scratch, ore, essences and everything). I made about 1 mil in a month and then pressed [shop] and realised I just wasted 2 weeks when I could've worked a minimum wage job for 5 hours and bought tokens.
and this is why there has to be regulations, people pay more money for virtual bs, than for a super computer, some used cars, and about half a year of groceries. Its disgusting, i understand that its their money and they can do what they want with it, but some people cant stop themselves, and have no self control. Something has to be done, this is preying on those people.
When TBC came out back in the day me and my friend farmed up all the low level ore, bought out the auction house and resold it all at triple the price.
Every right of passage when meeting a girl in games as a kid was to give up all your shit. One girl down the street played webkinz and I was so in love I traded the mother fuckin crown of wonder and like 40 super beds. I got them from trading kids who had no idea what they were doing. If you don't know how rare the crown of wonder was, its a daily quest where you needed 30 unique gems. Some days you would get 0 gems, most of the time it was a duplicate. Took me YEARS to get that and I gave it away like it was nothing. The fucked up part is that she moved away later that year and nothing happened between us.
I don't even play WoW, but it seems that the problem is that farming gold is boring and no one likes doing it. Really, buying gold is literally saying "my day job is more fun than playing collecting gold in the game". Just fix the game so that it doesn't contain a needless chore.
its true tbh, i am a pretty average working class guy in the UK and ive bought MILLIONS of gold from wow tokens, not to buy boosts or anything, most of my gold normally went on legendaries, transmog items from the AH, flasks, pots etc because i never done any proffs in the game since they changed it. Its pretty annoying looking back at it whenever id see an item on the AH for like 150k and id just punch my details in and get a wow token -_-
at the start of Classic our guild leader had the only drop for the Lionheart Helm on the server for like 6 months and had 150k gold just from supplying the entire server with the helmet.
I don't understand what the QOL is regarding the wow token. I thought it was for the players who had enough gold in-game to buy their subs... but, if you can buy it for real money it makes no sense to even have it.
Hi, I'm Ted. I don't understand why I'm used to justify boosts. As a casual player with limited time, leveling and the other less prestigious parts of the game are the best part for me. I like the parts that are chill, not time bound, not on a schedule, etc. Paying to be level or dungeon or PvP boosted dramatically shortens the lifespan of the game for me, because if I know I won't have the time to commit to the harder and lengthier things.
This is 100% accurate. Even the Caravan Brutosaur isn't prestigious because SOOOO many people have one. I had 3 people in my guild that literally just bought WOW tokens to get their 5 million gold mount. I barely played in BFA other than pvp, but I did farm a lot and saved up money from Legion so I just bought mine outright. I don't feel cool riding around on it because it's essentially a store mount that costs several hundred dollars. ALSO...notice how WOW tokens went up drastically in price AFTER the Brutosaur was removed? Coincidence? Hell no...
the person that bought the 198k gold sword isn't using the sword, that's the gold seller, I bet the guild got their 40 players together and bought 5k gold each for their epic flying mounts in TBC and they needed a way to launder the gold that looked legit and unbannable
Well the truth is. The WoW community IS toxic. I am working at a psychiatric hospital and the peole who are threated there are LESS toxic than most people i have met in WoW in the last 3 years. I was more stressed out after one hour with WoW players in Discord than a whole shift at work.
@@Featheryfaith7 Yeah the patients at work are shouting at me sometimes, because they are ill or frustrated. The people in WoW are shouting because raging all the time is part of their "game experience".
Asmon is 100% correct. I was 22 making $35000 a year as an electrical apprentice, lived on my own and I could afford to spend 100$ a week on nhl 13 hut packs for 6 months untill nhl14 came out and I understood just how stupid I was and immediately stopped. Alot of people don't or CAN'T stop. Developers are well aware of this and its disgusting. Imagine how much fun games could actually be if the microtransactions where mechanical in the game and mot a cash trans action.
"If its a guy its a guy, if its a girl its a guy, if its a kid its the FBI." -rule of the internet
500 year old lollies be like: "I am invincible!"
@@lonefish8128 niin kuin
@@osku98 去
does this mean the FBI would play Lalafells?
I always go like this "Unless proven a female, he is a guy."
Can confirm an age when Asmon made his own gold. His gold guides were CLUTCH back in the day.
Perspective: If you can't enjoy the game because you have little time to play... your game's shit.
I played vanilla 4 hours a week back when it came out. I enjoyed the heck out of every second.
Errr, you do realize that you could barely do any endgame content with 4hours per week, right? In fact, even just levelling, 4hours per week? It took you what, 1year to level one character? I'm sorry, but you're just BS'ing to seem cool. If you went around paying 13$ per month to play 4hours per week, then you were an idiot.
@@tiagomagalhaes7032 4 hrs/week is roughly $.70/hr of entertainment. Still the cheapest form of entertainment available. Also, a lot of ppl in vanilla never did any endgame content. Lots of ppl played the game just to play it. You are literally calling a guy an idiot bc he enjoyed something in a different way than you did. Why?
@@tiagomagalhaes7032 yeah. Took forever to reach Max level. Didn't even really do much endgame, cause then tbc came out. Didn't care. Just leveling was great. Interacting with people was great. Seeing the world was great.
Endgame would've been great ofc but oh well.
Please dont curse my kid is in the room
@@tiagomagalhaes7032 if you’re that pressed about $13 a month and getting your full value out of those $13 then you’re to poor to even be talking in the comments kid. The overwhelming majority of ppl that played vanilla when it was a thing didn’t even hit max lvl. Then you go about persecuting the dude for enjoying the game the way he wants too. Ironically it’s ppl like you who talk the most shit while literally not having a single achievement worth a damn in the game.
What he misses is what this does to the game's design.
With third-party gold sellers, Blizzard doesn't particularly care if people are buying gold. It doesn't substantially influence design decisions.
With first-party gold sellers, it has massive effects.
Wonder why they don't do something about the game's economy being dominated by carrying? Why don't they deal with party finder being flooded with carries? Because if people are buying WoW tokens for the gold to buy the carries, Blizzard is making money off of them!
Got to exalted and you finally go to get your mount reward, only to discover it costs 100k gold too? How convenient - just buy a WoW token! What are you going to do, just give up? You already spent so much time farming the rep. C'mon, you can splurge on a WoW token, you earned it!
Huh, those potions sure are expensive right at the beginning of the first raid tier of the expansion. Is your team going to skip mythic raiding? Or are you going to do hours upon hours of mindless gold farming? No - you're going to buy a WoW token.
Only a few players buy BoEs, though they're often really expensive (read: bought with WoW tokens). But hey, now everyone needs a legendary, and almost everyone will be buying it with gold from the AH! Time for some WoW tokens to get your legendary!
WoW tokens mean huge incentives for Blizzard to set gold prices to drive token sales. And to slow down farming. And to increase gold sinks.
Even if some of these changes aren't purposeful, if you accidentally create a pinch on mythic raiders that's leading them all to buy WoW tokens to afford potions, you're probably not going to put fixing it at the top of your to-do list.
The whole legendary system is the most shameless facet of this and people still defend ot under the pretence of "well it's the community that is setting the price range, not blizzard's fault", as if you'd need to be some brainiac to guess what was gonna happen with sellable player power.
Very well said
Couldn't have explained that better if I'd tried.
its crazy to me that you can grind a rep all the way to exalted now and the rewards are all stupidly high prices that most people can't even afford.
Selling you a solution to a problem rather than fixing it yes.
"There can't be Pay to Win if there's nothing to win" - someone in the comments.
I do agree with that statement but WoW is all about winning. Even the story is fundamentally competitive.
These people wear oxygen masks filled with copium.
Only pay to regret, imo.
As someone who plays FF 14. I ask if it's pay to win, if there's nobody to win against?
Statement is true, but if you reach that state of mind then the game itself has lost. It means you're a super casual now and there's no point in playing anymore - you're just staying because it's a habit. That's where I'm at and my game time's almost expired. I just traded all my TBC gold for tokens so that if I come back next time at least I'm not spending real money.
imagine playing game with monthly sub that has repetitive gameplay and tons of microtransatiopns that make the game p2w lol
its not really pay to win because there is no win my gosh idiots who dont play a game thinks its sad Lmao better watching bald guy who never touched a game and thinks he is smart
@@Kameleeon0728 now that just sounds sad lmao
@@Kameleeon0728 actually true. if you still play this game in 2021 you're losing either way and you're a loser in life as well
@@OnlyInhuman90 this can be sais about literally ever online game.
@@OnlyInhuman90 pretty much like every other mmo then lmao
I've always felt the introduction of MTX was the downfall of the MMO genre. Ever since it was first introduced, it has made these companies try and stick their hands in our wallets deeper and deeper every year.
The downfall of the MMO genre was mobile games. You can't compete with the cost-to-profit of a mobile game. They can be developed by a team of like, 4 people and a dog, yet still rake in hundreds of thousands a year. Candy Crush is Activision-Blizzard's fattest cash cow, by the way. Not WoW or CoD.
Moving to MTX is one of the few ways to keep an MMORPG alive as it gets older and older. Especially when the level of content increases with each expansion, meaning more development costs. And you can't increase the price of a sub even years after release (note: say hello to inflation at this point), because that kills playerbase. Lower playerbase means less subscribers.
Why do we call them by the corporate buzzword "microtransaction". There is nothing micro about it, it's just a transaction.
@@Maccelerate macrotransaction
@Dustin X. this is extremely wrong
Fancy seeing Dustin in comment threads
Funny thing is, there are still some completely delusional twitch WoW streamers who claim the game is not pay-to-win. You can quite literally reach the top PvE AND PvP has to offer by being semi-afk and pay for it with real money
For those who can afford it and don’t like challenges, yes.
Who really even does that though? 1% of the playerbase?
I mean you can do it since classic and in every mmo available (yes ffxv too ). It dosnt make it pay to win in my book , i will still win against that guy in pvp and do better dps in pve
And what do you do with this gold ? Buy carry ? So the dude still suck at the game
@@lolilol535
You mean to say that someone who doesn't have the proper skill is able to receive the same reward as someone who does through being able to pay real money to circumvent any skill required? Thereby making any skill requirement for the challenge useless?
Honestly you could say its been that way a while, things just sort of exploded late into BFA and into Shadowlands. Some guilds could net millions of gold easily with carries and selling rating and so forth. All that gold could be used for anything they wanted pretty much including buying gear.
Carries have been ramping up steadily for the entire history of the game. It existed back in MC, and it was *big* business at least as far back as WotLK. I made my first million doing 5 GDKP runs a week back in 2009. It's only gotten more prevalent since then.
It *exploded* in popularity with the WoW token though.
@@marxman6896 It was odd, I quit early BFA and came back towards the end. The amount of boosting had probably doubled if not tripled since when I last played and it's basically normalized. I made a few mil in a short period at the start of Shadowlands selling RBG boosts myself, there were too many buyers to the point where we had to turn a lot of people down due to fear of being overloaded with customers.
@@ZeranZeranNo one I knew openly spoke about buying gold. I'm not aware of anyone in my guild that did buy gold back in 2007. I certainly was never given anything back then. I earned all my Mage crafted gear, all my consumables, and my epic flying.
Maybe you were just playing with a bunch of lazy scumbags?
@@marxman6896 it was more "taboo" back then, also people were very afraid of bans since blizzard support and GM's were actually very active. Friends I played with told me later on they bought gold and now openly do and talk about it but they lied about it back then, well didn't "lie" they just didn't tell anyone.
Jaina boosts on 6 different characters every single week for 35k/run, good times
the Lunar Whale is for us 40 year olds that played the shit out of Final Fantasy 2 for SNES that have careers and can fart 45 bucks for nostalgia.
Should just be in the game for some ff2 related series of side quests. Kinda like how bismarc is a throw back to sin from ffx
FF4, not 2. International releases for the first six games weren't numbered correctly.
@@Aaronspark7 we are referring to its name when we played it.
@@mike4088 Or Bismark could be a reference to the final fantasy 6 esper: Bismark, not Sin. Sin is a reference to Bismark is more likely
@@Red-Arcadian You are so right!
There are so many players(myself included) that want to play Wow legitimately. But when the Wow token was released, the legitimate way was to buy a Wow token. That really killed the joy of it.
Whoever laughs at a man being catfished by a guy in an MMO from the 2000s is a heartless bastard
Don't pretend you've never been catfished or were the catfish yourself. It's a hilarious situation. Like when a drunk friend goes with a "hot lady" but then the hot lady turns out to be a Ricardo 2 meters tall and the biggest hands and adam's apple. You can probably even see his dick under the shiny sequins skirt.
cold blooded! I got catfished on a private server for Ragnarok Online back in like 2005
I always play female characters in MMO and once, Ibhad a guy simp over me, refusing to believe I was a guy.
T'was weird as fuck
Simps need to be laughed at.
Simping after someone in a MMO is enough reason to be laughed at.
get a grip ffs
Think about this… you have to pay for the retail copy, a monthly subscription, and it’s STILL pay to win. And littered with micro transactions. Where does blizz get the audacity to do this….
Wait what is pay to win? You can get your lego base item yeah, but what else? Curve or KSM or even CE mean nothing when bought, you just become a laughing stock for any decent player
Also doesn't FFXIV have like a shitton of mounts in the cash shop, and boosts are common? But keep being a circlejerking goon bro, keep it up
@@No_OneV and thanks to boost, you can buy items (raidcarry), pvp ranks and achievements
@@maartenm.437 FF14 has an extensive free trial, doesn't sell in-game progression and doesn't need people defending it out of fear that the game is dying.
@@overlord8805 They actually do sell in-game progression. I'm new to the game and was checking out their optional item shop last night and saw you can boost the characters and skip expansions.
@@No_OneV But if ingame currency can't be used to actually win at the game, how is being able to buy in-game gold pay to win?
Also you can (against ToS but still) buy in-game currency in FFXIV you circlejerking idiot
Anyone remember the floating orcs in orgrimmar advertising susanexpress lmao
I remember the dead bodies spelling it out in Stormwind. :)
Asmongold looks happier after he stopped playing WoW all day
He plays ffxiv now all day. Difference is one game makes you uplifted while the other makes u depressed
@@Lastninjaxoxoxoxox Both kind of make me depressed tbh. I'm thinking of quiting mmos.
@@RhadaGhast100 yea if u dont like it just quit. Dont fall for the sunk cost fallacy
@@Lastninjaxoxoxoxox Well, all my friends reaaaaally want me to play FF with them but I just can't get into it. I don't want to leave them but at the same time I can only pretend to like something for so long.
@@RhadaGhast100 dont force yourself. im an avid player of ffxiv but no game/mmo is for everyone- and it can definitely get stressful sometimes
Thing i learned about ff recently is if you buy gil, and then somewhere down the line buy a house. Square checks your transaction logs and if they see anything that looks like a gold sell scheme. You get a ban.
I love the chat calling Asmon delusional and out of touch for saying regular people spend obscene amounts of money on P2W using 70k as a basis, aka the median income, on a video discussing the known problem of random people who spend that kind of money on in-game bullshit.
Like who's more tone deaf here. Asmon pointing out how the money some dudebro would spend on partying and alcohol, instead spends it on the cash shop? Or the people in chat, who think everyone's broke and can't afford to spend that money?!
The chat. Im a dudebro that lives at home with 60k starting salary. I am the whale. I can pay all i want for games
@@Froggeh92 yeah, and like think of smokers. They spend on average, 2500-3000 on cigarettes alone, and we all know people who are poor as shit who smoke regularly. Convert that to wow tokens and it's not hard to see how someone can blow money on that with ease
No it's definitely chat lol.
True very true. That's what I've been telling my friends that spent alot of real money in dota and other games, tho most of it just purely cosmetic. I told them it doesn't matter since they have a job, they enjoy the game then why not. If they don't smoke or drink then that's a shit load of money saved. People spend it on things that entertains them, and if game is your main entertainment then why the fuck not.
Only difference is that, you're not in a denial that WoW is pay-to-win while there's some here that for whatever reason there is, to deny that WoW is P2W. Like maplestory, almost everyone in the community know its P2W and no one is even trying to deny that fact. As long as non paying players could also achieve the same thing with the exchange of grinding and farm.
Though, I gotta say i kinda despise the idea of subscription based game have the option of P2W. Imo, cash shop shouldn't even exist on subs game unless it's purely cosmetic with no distinct advantage. To be fair FF14 has the same shit as well, just that their cash shop is not as impactful but there's still a tiny bit element of P2W there. Thank god it's only limited to the extent of 4-seat mount.
I have not much issue with WoW and FF14 having level boost, as there's not much point in boosting if you're super new to the game. It just make life harder instead. It caters well to players who have played and understand the game, but just don't have the time to play through all the levels. That really ain't too much of P2W in my book.
@@janyeen93 on XIV its a double edged sword. I believe the idea was actually for existing players wanting to play on different servers and not trying to play the game all over again. But that means the lazy can too
the whale mount was explained, and is one of the reasons I bought it.
Since they could not hold fan feast this year, and everything was done online, this item and a few others where placed for sale to support the team in place of buying tickets you would normally do when going to these events. Wont lie, also got it because FFIV was my first and still favorite FF game.
I am all for calling out "whale stuff" but here I think a little context was needed
lol, you are one of the people they are talking about, trying to justify the cash shop, they are making a lot of money from ff14 subs so why do they need to make even more on events and selling in cash shop? regardless if they called any events off, it doesnt make it ok to run a cash shop like they do. But sensitive snowflakes be melting, always context isnt there?
@@shroomiestshroom3655 MMOs are a niche game for a niche audience. MMOs take way more development and money than any other game genre, because MMOs are designed with the intention of lasting forever, they also target a much smaller audience than other games. MMOs are the riskiest form of game you can develop nowadays. You have to design for longevity, and also make it fun while maintaining a gameplay that keeps people playing and paying. MMOs cannot be small, there has to be a large amount of content on release and every free update to keep people playing as much as possible until the next paid expansion. A company would never be happy with making a minimal profit. MMOs have a small audience that gets spread out more and more with every decent mmo that comes to market. So they make microtransactions to further milk their small audience so that they can impress their investors and keep the game alive. There are plenty of MMOs that shut down despite having an okay following (a following that might be profitable for a non MMO game) because they were not profitable enough to support the company and its investors. This is the reality of MMOs, Blizzard is the worst earner out of Activision's companies for a reason.
IMO I look at it this way: if a game is fun and I don't feel like I'm losing or losing out by not buying from the microtransaction shop then I really don't care if there is one. When I played CoD (Not saying its an MMO, but it has microtransactions) I abhorred map packs, because they literally divided the playerbase and you couldn't play with everyone without having bought them. I quit WoW because the game was no longer fun, but I would buy a mount or pet from the microtransaction shop every once in a while when I felt the game was fun and kept me playing for hours every day without feeling like I was paying to work a second job.
@@shroomiestshroom3655 I am far from a whale, I got the mount for one because its something from FFXIV, and because it supported the team doing this years big event in leu of getting a ticket and going. FFXIV is one of the few that actually do a cash shop right, although I would agree the boost items should never have been there and need to be removed. Everything else is optional and cosmetic, and there is nothing wrong with that. Using the term "snowflake" it seems you just want to use what ever words you want to make some argument here.... and failing.
@@shroomiestshroom3655 you've also just come on the page talking shit about ff14. Clearly not biased.
60-70k is rich people. I know people who make like 25k a year and they spend a bunch of money on games
Not in the US. That's not even enough to be considered middle class.
@@river7874 no, this is in Canada. In the US 25k cad would be more like 19k usd. Canada living costs are even higher. This is highly dependent on where you live ofc. Living in the city you can spend 40k where someone else could make 15k go just as far in a cheaper part of the country.
I get 16800 a year. --- Not gonna happen.
US is apparently WAY better of than most other countries, more so than I thought; IDK why you guys claim to have such poverty when you don't even know that most of us live on a paycheck a month that is 1300 dollar.....
I miss the times when the items were reserved for the GM/Officer Girlfriends...
@cattysplat
peak stfu, that guy made 2k$ for a ugly mount that's a diff color from the other ones i'd sell it for 100$ right now
“My first MMO was maplestory”
Me: Ooooh noooo, I’m so sorry
RuneScape ftw
MapleStory was fun especially back in the day before it got super popular and they got way greedy. I liked RuneScape too.
@@RobReith When Leafre was the final area is when Maplestory was the best lol
@@purplestuffs5237 Pre-big bang Maplestory before cubes got added as a whole was the best. Maplestory feels great to play now a days as an action RPG, but the sheer amount of microtransactions and p2w content is extremely off-putting. Really praying for a Classic Server for Maplestory.
“The truth behind”
This was a “front” for a while.
just waiting for asmongold to get bored of ff14 so he can finally realize his ultimate form of becoming the world's biggest Maplestory content creator
Nah, that's not even his final form. His final form would be a Fiesta Online streamer
Acktchually he’s gonna be a raids shadow legends player as his main
Old school Ragnarok online ✨
Hello Kitty Island here we go bois
Neopets!
My wife is actually a broker for one of those carry communities. She spams chat and plays Hearthstone. She has made MILLIONS in about a month and a half haha
Your wife should get banned
@@godursolamehahaxd9909 I mean blizzard allows it so this is the beast they created. Might as well profit from it
@@godursolamehahaxd9909 for selling carries for gold? Even if WoW didn't sell gold via tokens, people would still buy carries for gold and those people would need a broker.
It's a service that's been around since vanilla.
chat was really aggravating, asmon was making a totally sensible argument about how that amount of disposable income is nothing to a lot of people and chat was just berating him with things like "you cant understand what its like to be us, youre out of touch!" because he makes money now from streaming. HE WAS LITERALLY THE SAME AS THE REST OF US LIKE 3 YEARS AGO AND STILL LIVES THE SAME LIFESTYLE.
My dude don't waste your energy getting mad because Twitch chat is being dumb, its never going to change.
@@cattysplat normal people cannot afford to spend 1000 dollars on drinks every week...
Depends where you are from m8 , asmon is still leaving in Texas , a country that pays better to be a mcdonald's employee then my country pays to be a great doctor.
@@RyuSaarva Exactly. My entire monthly pay is 1300 dollar. (Im not from US). - It's so delusional to say "EVERYONE CAN AFFORD IT"......
@@Manicca Of course you are going to have different numbers in different countries. Every country has its average salary and average cost of living, he is talking from the place he knows, and if you know Asmon enough, you know his friends are just normal average people, and is probably even exagerrating a bit for the sake of it.
I'm not here to defend Asmon though, I just want to point out how most of you are just even more shortsighted than what you're claiming him to be.
Missing info: the Lunar Whale is an 8 seater mount (hence the price of $42/33€), and is modeled after the vehicle that the player used to get to the moon in Final Fantasy 4, thus it being one of many homages to that game in FFXIV. That being said, SQEX did acknowledge that such a mount would be a "whale for whales", so they kind of embraced that notion when they introduced it.
Honestly though, I was not willing to spend a dime in the WoW cash shop, becasue the quality of the game didn't warrant extra rewards for the devs, especially not at the price they are sold for. In FFXIV on the other hand, the quality of the game makes me want to support the devs wherever I can, to the point where I gladly accept the title of "Whale" for it. As an added bonus, it's more or less half the price for double the quality compared to the WoW stuff.
Extra lore doesn't justify a cash shop. I love FF14 but the cash shop is not ok.
@@shakeweller how is it not ok? are you being forced to use it? it's not even advertised with in-game banners being shoved into your face, like it is in WoW at every new addition to it. or would you have them make endlessly more stuff for the same amount of money? if you don't want the cash shop to be there, then just ignore it. they didn't make it hard, unlike others. but the amount of work that was put into the game with not money, but the players in mind DOES justify it for me. i undersrand why people have an issue with cash shops in a lot of other games i've played, and agree with them. but the people that are having an issue with FF14's cash shop are either generalizing out of ignorance, or think themselves entitled to get stuff for free.
@@Fraven85 are you really defending an ingame shop? lol that's how you know you are a complete shill and nothing you say can be taken seriously
The cash shop in FFXIV differs from most other MMOs in one specific way, the profits go towards game development. Yoshi-P made this clear when the cash shop was first introduced.
What does this mean? The money goes into paying the devs? Server Maintenance? I dont mean this as an objection, I think its admirable, if not neccessary, for cash shops to further actual game development, but I'd like to know more
@@CunkGungler it goes into actually making new game content unlike wow
It''s also completely invisible in game.
You have to go out of your way to find it.
This is literally what they all say. It means nothing.
It's because of profit made from the cash shop that Square Enix are able to create Oceanic servers for FFXIV.
Upgrading the new leggos is tough right now. I leveled up BS so I could do it myself for my warrior. Basically unless you run an army of alts, getting the leggo mats for the new higher ilvl is a terror
When he brought up it being alienating for casual players....I think you finally put it into words why I am struggling to get into the game anymore.
"I'm broke I only have 7000 gold"
Me, a casual who stopped playing early MoP: "The fuck?"
Post-WoD they increased the amount of gold you get from quests massively to compensate for the insane goldfarming that happened with garrisons. Legion has a ton of quests that just give you 20 gold and that's not even taking into account all the gray vendor trash that sells for 1-5 gold each. Dungeon greens from leveling can go for about 50 gold a pop at the AH.
The economy is so massively fucked and I don't think it can really be fixed without removing the token and introducing some heavy gold sinks.
Amazing isn't it, just add 1 layer of abstraction and millions of foolish players turn into whalish payers.
What you do is lets say Square Enix started a 3rd party company that sold gold in XIV. Then that 3rd party group basically sends info to Square Enix of who bought gold every 6 months and Square Enix just says yeah your character is now banned for breaking terms of service. Basically catfishing the buyers. Buyer would be like.. how did they know..?
That would be the best way to combat rmt in the game period. Not punishing the rmt but the buyer. They could also say like we were contracted my the rmt group saying your charater reversed the credit card payments for the gold they were trying to sell you and they told us you were buying gold from them and there's the in game trade that happened that we can confirm you did get gold.
I remember coming back to pvp on wow when that aztec place came out, and seeing just towns of parties offering boosts. I had no idea what they where at first, luckily when trying to get into them I was under geared. I didn't have a clue till one person said you needed to pay and offered a link to a website. I was like na fam
12:45 The moment you realize Asmongold still lives at home when he breaks down a living expense!
So what if he still lives at home? He makes enough money to support himself and his mother, it's commendable and not too far off from the truth in his case.
Where ppl should live if not homes? Hotels?
@@jannemakela8107 I think they meant that Asmon lives in his own home, many people are forced to rent.
@@jannemakela8107
When people say that someone "lives at home" they mean that they still live at the home of his or her parents.
@@Elora445 is this weird? It's kinda normal in SEA...
You don't necessarily need to be rich to spend a lot of money in a game. I never got into buying premium currency, but there was one time I was really tempted to:
I was playing Star Trek Online at the time. I was fairly new in the game, and spent a decent amount of time farming Dilithium (a premium currency in that game). There was one point where I got a call from work where I was asked if I could pick up a shift as they were shorthanded. I was making around $15 at the time. I was tempted to say no because I didn't really feel like it, but then it dawned on me that I was going to spend the day farming dilithium. If I went into work instead and just spent the money I made that day and make many times more dilithium. I went into work that day with the intent of using the money I made to buy the currency. By the time I got home I decided against it because I worried it was a rabbit hole I didn't want to go down, but I totally see how people with fairly modest incomes could end up spending a lot of cash based on the same mentality.
World of Warcraft franchise monetization:
1 - Game
2 - Montly Subscriptions
3 - Expansions (each ~= 2 years)
4 - WoW Tokens (in-game currency)
5 - Pets
6 - Mounts
7 - Books
8 - Clothing
9 - Action Figures
10 - Cosmetics
Did i miss something?
a movie,esport events
I had a horrible experience with this game, going back 10 or so years ago, and I really haven't been able to let it go... I poured my life into this game. And it broke my heart.
You see I'd been playing for years when MOP came out. With a new season of PVP ahead, I saw an opportunity to try and finish a season with a high rating and get rewards and achievements only offered to the top PVP players... Things like exclusive mounts and stuff were on offer for finishing the season with a high rating, and this was no minor feat I was attempting to accomplish...
I put together a guild, and had over 20 good players to assemble 2 Rated Battleground Teams... (RBGs)
It was a hard road, with many lessons learned along the way, but we were progressing through persistence and pure will and making our way up the ranking system.
I was not the greatest leader in the world, and I made a lot of mistakes, but the thing that tore my guild apart was nothing I had any control over...
You see one day we joined a RBG and the other team didn't...
It was odd, to say the least... This was a Rated Battleground, and we were the only ones in it... So, we capped the 3 flags and took the easy win and queued for the next one.
You wouldn't believe our luck! The other team didn't join the battleground again! We capped all 5 nodes and took the easy win...
Our rating was climbing fast, and we hadn't had to do a thing... I was a little concerned, and hoped this wasn't going to come back and bite...
As we joined the next game... Half my team didn't join... On voice chat (Vent) the cries of "MY ACCOUNT IS SUSPENDED" started coming in... Half my team had just had their account suspended, and I only had 5 players in a rated battleground....
Needless to say we got stomped that game...
This broke our guild momentum, instantly. People were scared to even join an RBG game now.
So I opened a ticket to Blizzard GMs and explained everything I just told you above.
The response I received from Blizzard?
"We can not discuss other players account bans with you"
I wrote back and asked again: "As a guild leader what should I do in the event of another team not joining an RBG?"
They responded with "What do you mean they didn't join?"
I opened ANOTHER ticket, again explained my issue... "Other team didn't show up, resulting in my guild members being banned from game"
Blizzard: "We can't discuss other players account bans with you"
And on and on it went like this... Each ticket taking longer and longer to get a response, and every single ticket being replied to from a diferent GM, who I felt I needed to explain my problem all over again to...
Blizzard responses alternating between "What do you mean the other team didn't join" and "We can't discuss other plays account bans with you"
No matter how many times I wrote back. rewording, and re explaining my issue over and over I only ever received those two responses from Blizzard....
The issue completely destroyed my guild and my two RBG teams that I had put my entire life on hold to make...
My one shot at finishing a PVP season with a good rank, my one shot at leading a winning team, torn away from me and I had no way of fixing it...
It totally destroyed my will to play the game ever again...
I think there's a gritty black market that blizzard are aware of and profit from. You only have to open trade channel to see people selling carries for real money... I think there's a pay wall in PVP, and skill alone wont get you the gear you need to get to rating you need to get the gear you need to get the rating............. Without paying someone to carry you there, who already has that gear... And part of that system of carrying people's rating up is first "Tanking Down" their own rating by not joining games... Games which we joined and easily won... And Blizzard know and potentially profit from this black market, and this is why victims of this system (like myself) are subverted and ignored when they point out the side effects
I literally don't get the concept of buying items in classic. When i am full equip i quit the game. It's over. I did what i came for. Why would i buy myself out of the game?
@Don’t look behind you optional time savers in a single player game are much different
flexing?
@@jecal2855 not really. Purposefully impeding progress in a single player game and selling people ways to remove those impediments is just as scummy.
@@charliekelly7024 they havent made the game any more grindy they just added ways to buy progress. Its deffinitly different
@@ninochandra8490 with what? Noone is even impressed by Thunderfury.
Maybe if at the end you bought full T3... MAYBE that was a flex
Asmon no longer gets catfished by guys on MMOs. Now he gets catgirled.
Catboys exist
Takes entire stock
@@DasHeino2010 And bunny bois are right around the corner
*Why do people still try to defend BDO? It's blatant P2W. The more people try to defend P2W simply because it's their favorite game, the worse it gets.*
True men
Exactly, now the meaning of the term P2W has changed as well because everyone accepted the scumminess of those games already
It's not that bad actually. And BDO is unique and nice game. Yeah, mtx sucks, but it's more pay 2 convince than win and i had way worse experience with this in TESO
@@ArnnFrost fangays love to move the goal post, without realizing how much they're hurting themselves.
Stockholm syndrome is beautiful.
@@baska- and you wrote that, ignoring the fact that this is a video about WoW being P2W. Get lost. Dragging BDO as if BDO is at fault for WoW sucking
Blizzard is too greedy and eager to apply mobile like income to desktop gaming and not understanding the different player types.
It is working tho
@@Voxavs is isnt tho lol
@@lunamyself5000 2019 was one of their most profitable years in spite if the kickback they got for BFA. It's definitely working.
Like the "Pareto rule" Asmongold alluded to: they only care about the "20%" of players (so-called whales) who will generate "80%" of their profits. Their only concern about player numbers is because a declining playerbase is the worse kind of negatIve marketing for an MMO.
there is no P2P game in mobile hence they applied P2W, but WOW both kekw
@@lunamyself5000 okay, I'll rephrase. It's making a shitton of money regardless of the state of the game.
Paying for an advantage over Simeone else used to be the definition of p2w.
The player of wow has been p2w for so long they fight and nit pic on what p2w is🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
basically every game is p2w then, you arent very brilliant lmao.
@@rickroll9705 Maybe it's just a consequence of the internet getting bigger. There's a huge market for buying advantages, and when sellers are more connected to their buyers it's harder to crack down on that industry.
@@rickroll9705 every game?wtf games are you playing lol
I actually like to run around farming mats and put them on the auction house. I know it's sort of subpar to do it that way, but I just put on a RUclips video and zone out just farming and enjoy myself.
Wait wait wait, no, that's illegal, you are having fun in WoW !! Didn't you get the memo, you are supposed to hate it now, and play FFXIV, the super cool game where you can have cat ears and buy a house !!!
I would farm herbs for hours just going in circles while I watch youtube or twitch. Its so relaxing. Usually at the start of expansions I would do that.
Are you living in the US or Canada? I feel like that's more a EU and South America thing rather than a North America thing. Compare the WoW token prices for NA vs EU. The price difference in gold can only be explained with a higher demand on EU.
@@leftnutrightnut2097 weebs are scum
@@leftnutrightnut2097 simp alert
Who tf spends a thousand a WEEK?? I spent a thousand when I moved into an apartment with NO FURNITURE, my weekly budget is just over a hundred for everything.
7,500 a month? Wow, I live in Mexico I have my own company and barely make a fifth of that xD
Yeah, those numbers are something special. I earn 1/10th of that and I'm not poor where I'm from (in Europe btw).
@@Evija3000 I earn 1300. - They talk about spending 90% of my pay in ONE weekend, but doing that EVERY weekend, and saying they aren't delusional.
If they said 100 dollar I'd be "fine", but they said 1000 dollar..... . . . . .. just no... They do not live in our world...
I make 1.2k€ per month wtf... I understand that US made lot of many after ww2 but 7.5k$ is pay of PM or something... lol sounds delusional.
asmon is not out of touch here when he talks about people spending a K for drinking on one weekend. I know plenty of people who make less than 50k a year and will randomly spend more than a K on drinking and clubbing regularly
50k a year is a crazy unachievable number for 90% of this planet population.
Those people need Jesus or some kind of hard drug equivalent.
Yeah honestly he was on point with that whole message.
@@dushas9871 Most college graduates from first world countries find 50k achievable. The demographic of WoW most likely find 50k a year very achievable. We are talking about a game with an insane barrier to entry. You have to pay $60 for a new expansion AND $15 a month.
@@luiscastro6204 No. The entire world isn't US. Average paycheck a month here is 1300-2800 a month. He's saying spend 98% or 50% on that on ONE weekend.
That's not going to happen. Sorry.
Delusional and inconsiderate.
Who is here in May 2023, after Blizz just added tokens to Classic? OMEGALUL
Just gotta say, someone who specializes farming gold paying someone who specializes in running m15s is good for the economy. Both players have value in what they're doing be it selling tmogs/rare mounts/reagents or clearing mythic Janna. As I'm sure mythic raiders get salty when a farmer pays for a run, the farmer is just as salty the raider makes money so easily. Now compare this to someone who buys a token and adds nothing to the economy/playerbase. All they're doing is adding X amount of raw gold to the economy which at this stage in WoW doesn't mean a damn thing.
Also just a side note for the guys video you were watching. I can play WoW and still hate New World's shop. Just cause I play WoW doesn't mean I like the in game store. Mind blowing.
token doesn't add "raw gold in to the economy" in order for token to be sold for gold, someone has to buy it for gold. Token is irrelevant for ingame economy as it has zero effect on it. It might even have a positive effect, if the token sellers spends gained gold on gold-sink mounts and removes the gold from economy this way.
@@dushas9871 You are correct and I was mistaken. Not that it matters anyways. Even if it was adding raw gold to the economy WoW has more than enough in the market as is.
I never supported pay to win. I was never a perma-subscriber either. What is going on some peoples heads that they cannot live without WoW anymore?
A part of me fears to know and even relate a bit. Hopefully I will never develop such a stockholm syndrom style of addiction to anything.
FFXIV cash shop most of it just cosmetic.
UNLESS
UNLESS you are a fantasia addict it can make your wallet empty
or you are a Glamour end game player that bought every cosmetics.
raid carry does exist in 14 too but these carries don't profit anything besides Gils since if you are omnicrafter getting rich in 14 is pretty easy.
plus current savage tier raid cant be just easily carried because there's always 1 mechanics if 1 player dies, 2 or 4 or everybody dies.
Literally it’s 2021, all games are pay to win. Every single game is like that. It’s the way gamers are nowadays
@@UltimateGamerCC new vegas>anything else
One of the big problems here is the moment you think about converting in game money into real money. I often hear arguments along this:
,,I prefer to work for 5 hours more and buy this, than just play that, it will be the same and I save 10$"
while in real you are comparing working in real life to playing a game which means, you don't get any fun from playing the game. And now gotta decide wheter its problem with you or with game
In other news, life is pay to win, and somehow that has crept into every faucet of gaming. Imagine that
damn this is unfortunately spot on
The sad part is that gaming was supposed to be used as an escape from real life. People nowdays are simply stupid. I am tired and sick of people that only watch series and movies if they are "realistic". Same goes for games. If you want realism, go outside
@@UltimateGamerCC this
It sucks. Takes the fun out of a game.
@@TheBrazilRules Couldn't have said it better myself
Miss when I could look in trade chat and find a homie to play with all day. Community’s broken, specially PvP.
When I was playing retail I looked at Wow Tokens as "time" rather than money. I would rather use ~30min of my overtime at my job for that 171k wow token. No way was I making 171k farming in 30 minutes so it was a better "Value" for my time. Terrible way to look at it I'm sure
The difference between wow and bdo is that other games sell you cosmetics, not upgrades and just flat out gold you can buy carries with.
an easy solution to this would just be implementing something similar to ironman mode in OSRS, where when you first make a toon you could select ironman and then be locked from trading with other players forcing that character to farm their own gold. blizzard could learn a lot from jagex and the osrs community.
Not sure how implementing ironman would fix mtx and the ability to just purchase items. Jagex has also been allowing players to buy gold directly from them since bonds were put in the game.
I cannot wait for D2R to come out! The top runes are going to go for crazy $.
My best pal is a booster (rated PvP and M+). He told me that there are 8 ppl on his team and that he alone received payments of ~$8,000 in total to his bank account in 5 months of playing. You do the math. And they still have 15+ gold capped characters idling on different accounts. Honestly it's crazy that so many players use boosting services, and how much real life money they're willing to pay for it...
He also said that the trade chat "advertisers" receive 20-30% from the booster's earnings. Now you know why there are so many spammers...
Realistically this can never go away, its a thing of hour times, many people will pay money to get boosted, even if Blizz removes the token they will still buy a boost from a third party system.
That’s the shittiest defense argument for Blizzard I’ve ever heard
You gotta be a bot
As an M+ booster, the idea that you cant buy 2k io is such a joke lol
Yup and we're already selling +20s for portals with no pilots
Westerners whining about WoW being P2W
All Eastern mobile games/mmo users : hold my soju, sake, beer, highball, any f-ing beverages.
Agreed lol.
well we want not being stupid brainless paypigs like those stupid weebs
Thats not a fair comparison eastern mobile games are free to play, while WoW have a box price on the expansions and a further $15 fee each month, being p2w while having a box price and a subscription fee is just insane.
@@alwaysangry2232 Well, then you don't have to. Those companies raking in money ain't technically hand-cuffing and forcing you to spend the real-life currencies.
@@fembert817 Yeah but that still doesn't mean you are going to be locked out of contents like majority of the eastern p2w models are in WOW.
You can still grind, join guilds or play along with your buddies to enjoy casual raiding, M+, and so forth. I don't find it tasteful to spend a bag full of cash in games, but for the convenience and if I consider mu time being more valuable after weighing in the difference then so be it.
The problem with Quality of Life features in a cash shop is that the only reason you as the player need to pay for that QoL item is because the developer made the game in such a way that it was inconvenient. If they are going to go ahead and scrap the integrity of the game in order to sell QoL because "players will buy it from somebody anyway" or because they are worried about Bill and his 2 hours a week to play, then they COULD just as well just give away the QoL item for free.
But no, they leave the inconvenience in (such as leveling or backpack space) and then sell you the solution. That's gross.
And as for WoW being the same, it was once they added the WoW token. As asmon himself has pointed out in other videos, the difference before the WoW token is there was a risk of being scammed and in the original vanilla run of WoW and TBC, Blizzard had an army of GMs that would respond quickly to tickets and ban people. It was not perfect. But it created a threat of punishment for players that bought accounts or bought gold. They should've grown and expanded that service rather than abandoning it and going full scumlords themselves.
I am ok with selling/buying carrys as long as there is a reward (titel, mount, cosmetics) for curve which cant be collected later on.
When people bring up comparisons with FF14 and WoW's microtransactions, one is mostly cosmetic(excluding retainers and story boosts), and the other is Pay2Win.
You can buy carries with gil though. At least square enix isnt selling out the currency.
both games have boosts
@@thevoxdeus Both those things don't give you a PvP or PVE advantage against other players. You suddenly aren't going to do better at raids etc. by level boosts and retainers. You won't have an advantage over other players whatsoever.
Pay2Progress isnt really Pay2Win. You unlock new areas and story, that's about it.
But its true that it's not all cosmetics, I will edit my comment.
@@MavihsLH there is not a single item in wow shop that would make you better at anything. You can buy wow token and sell it to players for gold. In ff14 you can buy boost and get Gil printed for you along with your purchase.
Also what you weebs are forgetting is that wow allows purchase of token for gold, allowing going free-to-play if you're good at making gold.
@@dushas9871
Except buying gold and using that to receive better equipment than other players is a CLEAR advantage.
Buying in game currency is fucked up and clearly Pay2Win. Because the whole game runs on that currency.
Also level boosts just boost you to that specific level. You're not offered free gil on a platter. Instead you're just given the gil you would've received if you did the story missions. That means you're making the same amount of gil as a bloke who went through the story.
Big difference lad.
"I need to start selling carries again" No no you dont....This is the point of the video; part of the issue with the game is boosting. And thats from someone who used to make 1 mill a month off selling M+ boosts.
Asmon: "...WoW Token and OnlyFans."
Me: "Please, dude. Don't give them any ideas."
There's a big difference that this friend has forgotten, if the system is the one that receives payment, that means there is an infinite amount of resources or gold to be sold, whereas if it is the player that sells gold or other resources it depends on this people limit amount, even if every single player has money to afford 198K gold it's impossible to the player sellers to be able to keep up with the demand. This means that a game which it's own system sells the resources have an elevated p2w / f2p ratio, and those with player-seller system is waaaaaayyyy lower, making it a lot more f2p friendly
I sold vision carries every week in BFA, each run would take 30 minutes for a 5 mask run and would net me about 250k. Just spent 2 mil of that gold to a PvP booster to help me from 2100 to 2400. The same guy that boosted me, has asked me to save +20 keys in M+ so he can unlock them all and will pay me. PvE and PvP boosters just passing gold back and forth while the plebs spend real money :shrug:
this is good proof of what could be healthy player trading / market / economy system can be
For anyone asking after taxes it's still around 16k-19k dollars of disposable income in the 300k salary example
This is very real for people living in the nine states that do not have income tax. ie. Alaska, Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Washington and Wyoming. Other states have single digit income tax rates as well.
So I did know people with shit tons of gold in classic WoW who earned it legitimately.
The person who bought that item for nearly 200k might have bought the gold with real money, but I knew people who would merch and flip items on the AH who had just as much gold in less than half a year after Classic came out. The other people I knew with that much gold were mages who did boosts all day. You make a lot of gold just running people from 55-60 through ZG, and it wasn’t that difficult to do. It was easier for me to farm ZG than it was to farm Mara of Cath, though I only ever did it to sell Bijous and specifically did not allow boosting. I had people whisper me asking for boosts and I would just let them in for free.
I never bought gold in any game. I never paid more than the game purchase and subscription.
Yes that makes me better than anyone that did. Just saying :P
You are rich dude... 7k - 25k a month? You're out of touch... and you have rich friends. Not judging but still...
@@MeldinX2 That was exactly his point... he brought up sums that made no sense and he is smart enough to be able to articulate what he's thinking. If you watch the chat everybody goes NO... and he brings up his friends.
Basically, Equality of Opportunity vs Equality of Outcome.
Even the pay to win just using the AH totally sucks because not all classes have proper gear in the AH at max level.
Would be nice to buy ilvl 240 heroic armor on AH
Completely out of touch.
who is?
Hahaha 90k a year. This dude doesn't live in reality. If he wasn't a streamer he would be making 35-40K tops.
@@MeldinX2 He also said 300k
the thing is 3rd party goldselling is not such a big deal, because alot of the "common" playerbase shy away from that, were as they are the first ones inline once its done by the company itself
1:50 Rather than get catfished by a guy I found an actual girl around my age (21). Although she ended up stalking me (I made the mistake of giving her my snapchat which had my full name and location on it) and having her guild harass me after I decided I no longer wanted to talk to her because she just tried to start fights 24/7. I sent Blizzard proof that this guild full of people were harassing me and making alts when I blocked them and they said that there was "nothing they could do", they ended up stopping on their own after about a month. This all happened at the end of BfA...good times :)
Edit: Spelling.
Yeeey new episode of my favorite show thank you Asmon Cat :) It must be you you were the best back before Asmongold TV
If you want to get a friend or colleague into WoW you literally have to tell them to get 2 addons to fight the wts/sale spam and quit the trade chat due to how intrusive boosting advertisement has gotten.
How is this the new norm? How is this acceptable?
No?
Just make a new chat tab and exclude the trade channel from it. Saves so much effort
@@bigbalticbox That you have to do this nowadays still sucks and helps 0,00 against the WTS/SALE spam in the groupfinder. (even though it's against the ToS but why would Blizzard care lmao).
I search for kelthuzad/sylvanas groups once or twice a week and the WTS/SALE spam is depending on the day and time around 50-90% of all groups.
Printing more money doesn’t increase economic output - it only increases the amount of cash circulating in the economy. If more money is printed, consumers are able to demand more goods, but if firms have still the same amount of goods, they will respond by putting up prices. In a simplified model, printing money will just cause inflation. So the same amount of materials just start to cost more and more and more, so they print more and more money and prices go up. It's unsustainable.
Gold sellers didn't print gold, the token does - a HUGE difference.
Old school private servers used to do this. Get a couple thousand players, tweak some files, add some new set with bonus stats and charge a $100 'donation' fee for the whole set as some 'backer reward' and they would play it up about going toward server upkeep, adding new servers, etc.
Blizzard had these ideas sitting in the back of their heads, Activision heard them one day... Boom, WoW is WAY worse now than those old Private servers.
I farmed gold in the start of shadowlands when everyone wanted their shadowghast equip (I made the 230 rings from scratch, ore, essences and everything). I made about 1 mil in a month and then pressed [shop] and realised I just wasted 2 weeks when I could've worked a minimum wage job for 5 hours and bought tokens.
Selling services in tbc, even as a healer could get 150-200g a run before I even stepped foot inside.
and this is why there has to be regulations, people pay more money for virtual bs, than for a super computer, some used cars, and about half a year of groceries. Its disgusting, i understand that its their money and they can do what they want with it, but some people cant stop themselves, and have no self control. Something has to be done, this is preying on those people.
When TBC came out back in the day me and my friend farmed up all the low level ore, bought out the auction house and resold it all at triple the price.
Every right of passage when meeting a girl in games as a kid was to give up all your shit.
One girl down the street played webkinz and I was so in love I traded the mother fuckin crown of wonder and like 40 super beds.
I got them from trading kids who had no idea what they were doing.
If you don't know how rare the crown of wonder was, its a daily quest where you needed 30 unique gems.
Some days you would get 0 gems, most of the time it was a duplicate.
Took me YEARS to get that and I gave it away like it was nothing.
The fucked up part is that she moved away later that year and nothing happened between us.
I don't even play WoW, but it seems that the problem is that farming gold is boring and no one likes doing it.
Really, buying gold is literally saying "my day job is more fun than playing collecting gold in the game". Just fix the game so that it doesn't contain a needless chore.
its true tbh, i am a pretty average working class guy in the UK and ive bought MILLIONS of gold from wow tokens, not to buy boosts or anything, most of my gold normally went on legendaries, transmog items from the AH, flasks, pots etc because i never done any proffs in the game since they changed it.
Its pretty annoying looking back at it whenever id see an item on the AH for like 150k and id just punch my details in and get a wow token -_-
It reminds me of the Diablo 3 real money auction house Blizzard ran for a while. It provides incentives for anti-consumer practice.
at the start of Classic our guild leader had the only drop for the Lionheart Helm on the server for like 6 months and had 150k gold just from supplying the entire server with the helmet.
You’re making 90k a year, divide that by 12, you’re making $75k a month.
I don't understand what the QOL is regarding the wow token. I thought it was for the players who had enough gold in-game to buy their subs... but, if you can buy it for real money it makes no sense to even have it.
Hi, I'm Ted. I don't understand why I'm used to justify boosts. As a casual player with limited time, leveling and the other less prestigious parts of the game are the best part for me. I like the parts that are chill, not time bound, not on a schedule, etc. Paying to be level or dungeon or PvP boosted dramatically shortens the lifespan of the game for me, because if I know I won't have the time to commit to the harder and lengthier things.
This is 100% accurate. Even the Caravan Brutosaur isn't prestigious because SOOOO many people have one. I had 3 people in my guild that literally just bought WOW tokens to get their 5 million gold mount. I barely played in BFA other than pvp, but I did farm a lot and saved up money from Legion so I just bought mine outright. I don't feel cool riding around on it because it's essentially a store mount that costs several hundred dollars. ALSO...notice how WOW tokens went up drastically in price AFTER the Brutosaur was removed? Coincidence? Hell no...
It costed only 5 mil, why would it be prestigious? I was making over a million gold a month from alchemy alone in BFA.
the person that bought the 198k gold sword isn't using the sword, that's the gold seller, I bet the guild got their 40 players together and bought 5k gold each for their epic flying mounts in TBC and they needed a way to launder the gold that looked legit and unbannable
Well the truth is. The WoW community IS toxic. I am working at a psychiatric hospital and the peole who are threated there are LESS toxic than most people i have met in WoW in the last 3 years. I was more stressed out after one hour with WoW players in Discord than a whole shift at work.
My mother, who works at a psyche unit, would agree with you.
@@Featheryfaith7 Yeah the patients at work are shouting at me sometimes, because they are ill or frustrated. The people in WoW are shouting because raging all the time is part of their "game experience".
@@Navinor My mother use to say to me," The patients are less mentally ill than the normal people. "
@@Featheryfaith7 Hahaha, this is so true 🤣
Asmon is 100% correct. I was 22 making $35000 a year as an electrical apprentice, lived on my own and I could afford to spend 100$ a week on nhl 13 hut packs for 6 months untill nhl14 came out and I understood just how stupid I was and immediately stopped. Alot of people don't or CAN'T stop. Developers are well aware of this and its disgusting. Imagine how much fun games could actually be if the microtransactions where mechanical in the game and mot a cash trans action.