The Reason Why Dads Don't Exist In Pokemon...
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- The Real Reason Why Fathers Don't Exist In Pokemon... Pokemon Adventures introduces us to a relationship dynamic unlike any other, the father and son relationship between Norman and Ruby, and Norman isn't the basic or goofy father that he is in either the games or anime, this version of Norman is ruthless, but he also is the best version of Norman we've ever seen. He's such a great father, that Pokemon will most likely never introduce another father figure into the series ever again. Here's the story of Ruby & Norman!
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Which of the Pokemon protagonists deserves a father like Norman?
Comment down below with "SHIP" if you do wanna see that Winonna & Wallace video!
@@HybridHero SHIP
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SHIP. Man, I loved the idea of Ruby 's and Sapphire's masters getting together.
YOU WANNA DIE FOR SOME RIBBONS?!
FINE! WHAT'S 11 MORE YEARS. I CAN ALWAYS START AGAIN. MAKE ANOTHER KID.
He actually probably couldn’t but good reference nonetheless 😂
@S1EEPLES5 THINK RUBY THINK! I really want to see art of that now.
@@HybridHero I started a reread of the manga up until oras, because I don't have oras and more, because of the red video, and seeing the panel of Norman looking down on Ruby gave my full Prowler theme vides instantly. WHY IS THE MANGA SO FRICKEN GOOD?! I plan to get oras after the reread, should I get any others after that if there are any?
WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER 500 CONTEST RIBBONS!?
The real reason why dads don't exist in pokemon: Norman puts them all to shame.
Actual factual
Anywhere else, yes. In the manga… (shudder)
Manga norman had his own demons he aint a bad father
Manga Norman literally die standing.
Plot twist: Norman is all of the there dads
In my opinion, Norman has a big case of keeping everything to himself without explaining anything to anyone. No wonder his actions are so misunderstood to the point where they start affecting his relationships like that.
You know what… That’s fair
Like father like son
Child abuse and domestic violence Yeah this Norman would likely get about 10 years in prison...
Probably not in the East, this would most likely be allowed
Unovan laws do not govern us Easterners.
@@HybridHero Oof...😣 Now that stung more than it should.😣
I mean if ur child is so selfish he would rather just do his contest then save all of the country and maybe even the world what would you do
Child abuse, domestic violence?
Let's run the facts here.
1) Ruby literally ran away from home
2) Ruby caused a giant havoc across 2 major areas; An abandoned ship and slateport.
Obviously Norman would need to discipline his kid. If my kid did that, *A punch is not what I would do*
They literally made Norman HIM
FOR REAL FOR REAL
GOATED Norman
Calling a child abuser him is insane 💀
To this day i still believe Ruby Sapphire is Pokemon Adventure at its peak, not only does it have a beautiful stories that depict the growth of the 2 main characters, but also makes side characters with barely any role in the game like Winona, Courtney, and especially Norman very compelling.
Also it managed to make Archie and Maxie, who is more often than not referred by the fandom as 2 idiots, absolute menaces along with Groudon and Kyogre.
Everything you said is absolutely factual
They also had the only canon ship in the entire franchise, loved the confession, shame that Ruby wanted to act Coy for all that time, boyo wasn't ready to commit yet
No matter how many pros this Norman gets, as somebody who suffered from domestic abuse myself, I can't commend this sort of behaviour. No matter the situation, a father - a parent - should never beat his child. So called "tough love" can easily destroy any sort of trust and understanding between a parent and a child, if not cripple a person mentally.
Norman from RSE/ORAS way better.
It's a hard thing to say;
The line between Discipline and abuse is very thin.
If you're too soft on them, they will get spoiled (feeling entitled), if you're too hard on them (they won't trust you).
I'm pretty sure that was at least partially the point of Normans character in the manga, his "tough love" isn't supposed to be a good thing, it's one of the reasons this entire misunderstanding between him and Ruby existed in the first place, their battle was the result of his lack of communicating with his son leading Ruby to distance himself and to ultimately run away, which enraged Norman. In the end, what mended their relationship wasn't Normans "tough love" (if anything the "tough love"-approach almost led to them both dying), but Norman speaking clearly and giving his son his support.
A bit excessive but Norman only beats his son that one time and it is because he is running away from home. May be it is the different in culture but in Asia, parent hit their child when they did something wrong is quite normal so I don't feel Norman's action is that wrong. Ruby really causes this parent sad and angry.
@@nguyenphuc306
In Asia, if your teenage child inconvenienced others; You would get a beating.
My friend literally got smacked down into the floor after getting caught smoking in elementary grade by his dad. And I've seen other kids get thrown into the river or lake for doing mischief.
I'm going to have to disagree with the initial statement that Ruby doesn't consider his mother's feelings at all before running away. Because there's a panel where he looks downstairs and sees her shortly before he leaves, and he silently apologizes to her with a sad look on his face (maybe it varies between translations, but I think all are important to consider details from). He is thinking of her and knows that this will probably hurt her, but he thinks it's the only way he'll be able to achieve his dream, especially since we know that Norman has been opposing it for a while and Ruby doesn't really have any reason to believe that he would suddenly change his mind out of the blue.
I know people get on Ruby's case a lot for not waiting for a few hours for Norman to come home and tell him, but if you really think about it...He already waited 5 years for that, and the moment never came until, from Ruby's limited perspective, it was convenient for Norman. We learn later that's not true, but I think people really forget that Ruby was never told jack squat (partially for good reason), so all he really has to go on are his own interpretations. Not to mention that Norman was against Ruby's desire to do contests when he wasn't around, which I honestly think would piss off anyone at any age, but it's especially prominent because he's a child. Ruby's selfishness in that regard at least partially stems from a certain feeling of "If I don't stand up for me, no one else will", (+ a hell of a lot of trauma avoidance) and while it may not be the most clear on a first readthrough, it's really not a surprise if you're paying attention.
Side Note: I really like the one translation of the manga where, when Ruby is opening up about the Salamence incident to Wallace, he says "I lost everything" instead of "I lost a friend". It implies that he also blames himself for the fact Norman left the family and part of his anger might stem from the fact that he might genuinely think his father hates him in that context, and his sadness might instead manifest as anger. It makes their relationship feel even more tragic because Norman ultimately couldn't protect him from the blame in every facet. It actually makes me wish they actually had more time to talk because imagine how much more impactful it would be if Norman temporarily died finally understanding his son's feelings and seeing why things happened in the present while Ruby comes to understand the past. Then his survival really gives you the feeling they can start down a path of healing rather than putting a skewed amount of the burden on solely Ruby.
Sorry for ranting. I just really like the Ruby-Sapphire arc and actually wish it went a little bit deeper into certain things on a psychological/emotional level because that's my bread and butter. This probably being my biggest example.
Bro is physically abusive to his son, the Manga really adds unexpected nuance.
Norman to May: oh dear gorgeous!
Norman to Brendan: you ducking Donkey!
You mean: You Duckling Mudsdale?
Fatherless behavior
Guess thats what it means to become the champion after all
Norman is crazy!!! He held his own child up in the air while it's thundering, like a lightning rod!!!
I like these manga vids. I may wanna read the hoenn and kalos mangas. If i had a manga, it’ll take place in galar and my partner is inteleon. Kinda like this one sinnoh manga which hareta. Greninja is for if i was in kalos
Haven’t read the Kalos manga yet!
8:32 The german version also made this line more tame. However, I believe that it is, while still beeing out of place, better/more fitting then what we got in the english version. "Was ist?!" "Willst du mir was was sagen?! Dann komm her!!" translates to "What is it?!" "Do you want to tell me something?! Then get ( up) here!!" and I think that this fits way better to Normans other lines in that fight.
For some reason, the german version also has him punch ruby.
What do you mean I ain’t got no daddy?! 🥲
Oh get outta here
Bruh what the heck i always heard bout norman treatment towards brendan in the manga was harsh but i never thought he was borderline abusve af
Amd he wasn't even that menacing in the game
I mean, everyone is edgy and more intense in the manga (in the good and the bad sense).
That's what I like about the GCs. You got NO parent in those!
Ruby was Norman favourite, he inherited his battle sense and genius. Heck, Ruby once aspire to become like his father.
Then ONE day, suddenly he turn 180°. I can see why Norman felt betrayed and disappointed, especially since Ruby (like his father) kept things to himself.
This is a bad habit of both of them, Norman doesn't give Ruby the chance to explain and Ruby doesn't want to explain.
Imagine this, you're a Pro Rugby player and your son is as talented as you, even aspire to become like you then one day decided he just want to become a yoga instructor even saying that violence is bad.
Red’s father is referenced in the Celedon Dpt Store’s electronics floor. “It’s a sports game. Dad might like this.” It looks like Red has the only father that’s a part of the protagonist’s life outside of the game’s plot.
Fun fact: the Italian version of the manga is COMPLETELY uncensored, we can enjoy the real pages like the Japanese
Why does norman looks like giovani in this manga?
Giovanni in the manga looks way more sinister than Norman
Cause Norman aged and his hairline went back
@@HybridHero being a pokemon trainer really took a tool on his hairline
I'm so glad the pokemon adventures is getting talked about more
Yeah i understand now why every protaganoist has no father
Keep it up on your work and this video and channel
I love this video and channel
Thanks you for your video and channel
I love Pokemon all franchise
Is it just a coincidence that Giovanni and Norman look so similar, and around the time Giovanni went on the run Norman showed up in Hoenn? Hmmm 🤔
Definitely related
Because only Norman is Chad enough to find milktank and return
8:40 in the french release of Kurokawa, they kept the original scene where Norman punches Ruby 👀
They have fathers I've seen them in so many games especially in Ruby and Sapphire I've even seen them in shows so I think you need to do more research
This is kinda weird to me because I only watch the anime and Norman is the father of max and may there
This was a good video Norman was a good dad all along.
Oh lord, even the adoptive fathers are bad.
Get. To. SCHOOL BOY!
I don’t get the reference
@@HybridHero Just a typical dad trying to make sure their kid goes to school.
13:40 I want 1 million bucks
Norman is a good father figure, trust 🙏
The GOAT
@HybridHero congratulations on making your first interesting video 👏 👏 👏
@@Mojaveknight17 have you even seen the other videos?
we might have completely different definitons of "interesting", but I assure this is far from being his first one :)
Oh yeah throw child down a flock stairs that wouldn't traumatize him for life yeah he's a great father figure..
Funny how Normal types get out classed and shined by other skilled types. . .And fighting, not forgetting that
Kinda like that it’s the strongest one here just because of that
@@HybridHero Would rather overlevel my team then take this guy on. Not risking being on top of a building
Norman's story kind of reminds me of my own story with my dad, I wasn't really close with my dad because he wasn't there for my childhood, when growing up my father was in the US while my family and I were in PR, from my understanding he had a very good job at a factory in CT where he manufactured aircraft parts or something, and as his job was very demanding he was usually working overtime and stuff and would only take time off like once a year for Xmas and stuff, and that was when he would get on a plane to be with us, and my interactions with the man were not very good because his hobbies included doing work as a handyman or mechanic, while my hobbies included mainly playing videogames or listening to music and stuff, and I was actually really bad at sports because I wasn't taught by my father to play anything, so that is why my interests started lining up with art related stuff such as music, and I actually learned to play a bunch of instruments, because the Music teacher looked after me during breaks and even during lunch, and he even told my mom that I had a knack for music and that the skill should be further developed by going to an art school, but this is where my dad didn't really understand any of it and did not believe in me, he wanted me to be an athlete like my brother or a math wiz like my other brother, and through his interactions with them I truly felt like he was proud of them while he mostly looked down on my interests and stuff, and as such I didn't go to an art school or did the things I liked, but I eventually did get into computers and became IT, mostly because my family were very bad with technology, and all sorts of stuff at home would break down with no money to repair things, so I kind of took it upon myself to take apart the stuff that broke and try to figure out how everything worked, and in some cases I did manage to repair some things, which is why I developed that skillset since I always had stuff to repair, and eventually I even got a job that I've been working at for about 8 years now, and it was only after my father was at his deathbed that he confessed his thoughts to me, apparently he was always proud of me and wanted to see me succeed at things, but the reason why he didn't let me pursue anything in art, was because he was afraid that I would be unable to make anything of myself, since he did see many family members that had gone through similar things but were leading awful lives due to having no steady income and stuff, and as such he didn't want me to struggle with such a life, which is why he was tough on me but he was actually real proud that I made something out of myself, and that I succeeded in becoming real good with IT and such, especially considering how bad he was with technology himself, where he barely even knew how to use his smartphone and would always come to me for stuff related to tech, and that was when I basically made peace with my old man, and I now miss him as he is no longer around.
TLDR All parents love their kids, its just that they have a hard time showing it sometimes, and for some they try to raise their kids with tough love, just to try and get them used to the hardships of reality, and the only way to truly know about this kind of stuff, is to just have a heart to heart with your folks, and closing them from your lives is just not the right answer unless they are actually toxic and bad people.
Such an engaging video! This is the first arc of the Adventures manga I've read from start to finish, it's so good!
I'm currently trying to work through it all (like I read odd volumes when I was younger but missed basically everything between vol 1 and vol 7 of the RBY arc) and I have no idea why it's taking me so long to get through that first arc when its actually great 😂 sitting down to read is just hard sometimes lol
Don’t forget Bianca’s father. I like him as he is probably the only parent in the Pokémon world that actually cares and wants to protect his kid.
I remember Red mentioning his father in Red/Blue/Yellow when you check out the games in Celadon City's Department Store. "An RPG game. Dad'll like that!"
“A *Sports* game! Dad’ll like that!”, is the actual quote.
Crazy I didn’t know
Too bad dad doesn’t exist eh
Norman's last name in this universe is totally Osborn.
You just got a new subscriber. As an anime and game only for Pokemon I never knew this much lore about the pokemon manga
So is that mean in emerald his name is brendan and in ruby his name is ruby
In the manga each protagonist have the name of the respective games, their totally different from the game versions
@@il3fortunato664 i see
Yeah, one of the things I don't like of the manga is that everyone is edgier and more intensefor no reason (in some cases). Like, attacking someone with your Pokémon as a hello is view as something normal, Lol
Your titles dont match your vids. I liked it at first but they progressively get worse.
I'll still watch for the content, but I just won't expect much for the titles.
I could say that with almost anyone, but… ah, I actually only dislike titles that contain an absolute. I won’t hate the video, but I just move on or lose interest. I feel like I replied to too much comments…
It’s not totally off, titles are always exaggerated to a certain degree but I find that my title and thumbnail combination still delivers on what’s promised
@@HybridHero Everything you did is amazing, I just have a heavy dislike to how you present the title as a question, but have a needlessly long buildup before it's answered.
I guess it's because you want your viewers to formulate their own answer based on the content, and you do end up answering your own question, but it could have also worked the other way around; just answering it, and then giving the reason as the content.
Again, your content is fire and I'm glad I found a poketuber like you that also covers the Pokemon Adventures manga.
I love that you brought up the truth behind the Lightning strike incident, it's like in gsc when they edited a hand to get rid of the notion of a mother slapping her child
I no longer feel sorry for kicking his ass in gen 3 what i do to his pokemon is nothing compaired to what my pokemon should do to him.
All bro had to do was read a note and he fumbled and got an ass beating, a kidnaping and multiple near death experiences instead 💀
Norman is probably the best father in pokemon
Not so hard when there's barely any fathers around
@@HybridHero they cooked so hard with Norman they said : I don't want to burn down another kitchen
@@HybridHeroor they’re Ghetsis
*Palmer:* Did you hear something?
*Koga:* (shakes head)
I would love to see more of the Pokemon Adventures manga! It is such an awesome series!
and Norman in the manga still manages to be a better father than Ghetsis, even before character development
He may as well be having a surname - Osborne.
Or Bates...
@@a-s-greig From?
@@ZZtheDark _"Psycho,"_ the Alfred Hitchcock movie.
Or _"Bates Motel,"_ the series it spawned, starring Freddie Highmore.
i'm not crying, you're crying...
i suddently have a gigantic urge to buy and read this manga, I might do it
Eh check back in an hour I’ll have my affiliate link there so you can purchase it!
I don’t care what anyone says, manga norman is THE menace. Only thing that could kill him was ozone poisoning
Actual insanity
those the next issue explain how tf he caught celebi??
I mean have you seen how many breedjects get released into the wild? Of course Pokemon dads are rough to deal with 😂
Bro brought out the super thanks, thank you bro 🙏🏾 But no way you called Ruby a breedject ☠️
Normans story in the manga is pure garbage
Pokemon adventures is do dang good.
I know that feeling 😭 no dad too
nothing that a dig can't handle it
We need more of it!!
To represent and relate to the players of Pokémon
Oof
I WNT MOREEEEE!!!!!!
You know, the people that wanted to try and control the god of the skies. Look where this got you!
Wally at least proved that despite his condition, proved he can also be someone not bound
First
Bro you're quick with it
Ah c'mon!. You don't have to say that about Norman on the Thumbnail.. I understand His Life😊
(PLEASE i need help)
That’s Norman saying that to Ruby
@@HybridHero i know😁. But norman isn't bad... Or is it?
(Thanks for Replying too!!.. i loved that one video about The Sapphire and Ruby ship)
20:03 I was questioning where was the supposed scene with Salamance that gave Ruby a scar, here we go, I just thought it would have been in the beginning of the story
Giovanni actually was a pretty decent father. And he’s the bad guy.
i really liked the pokemon adventures manga pls make more!!!
Evey children needs a father-figure. Mother should've never left them.
Pokemon is fiction. Ain‘t no girl doing something positive without a father
SHIP
Was told Wallace & Winona video might be a flopper, gotta prove em wrong
@@HybridHero SHIP! Talk about these people-
yo dont forget about Ashy boy
What, what about that Ashy Boy 👀
@@HybridHero we knew about Ash having father but Shitpro never decided to show him in anime
Mudkip looks so confused here 2:59
Poor guy
we need more manga shipping videos.
Got Wallace and Winona next!
Unlike his Video Game and Anime counterparts Manga Norman is a abusive Bully
Next time we'll be hearing about Ilatsa and the rest of the Bharat Region?
Oooo I gotta work on that
@@HybridHero, Jesus bless all your hard work. I hope I didn't sound impatient, but it was just so interesting.
20:03 this part never made sense to me. Ruby was completely justified in defending himself against a wild Salamence--we saw what it did to him, and it could've for sure done worse. It's the Salamence's (Zinnia's) fault for attacking two random children and going for a rampage--no one here should've takem the 'blame'. Are you telling me he should've just sat there?
Really, makes what happened to Zinnia all the more justified.
Hmmm I don’t think him defending himself was the problem but sending it off like that without resolving things may have been?
Regardless he was 6 so can’t blame him one bit LOL
@@HybridHero Ruby did his best, and there was no way he could've predicted it was going to destroy the lab. This whole thing about Norman being banned for being a Gym Leader for 5 years just felt very forced.
And even if Ruby did nothing, it turns out in the ORAS arc that Salamence is from Zinnia's and was going to destroy the lab either way. It just felt like attacking them...for fun, I guess.
Having a facility containing a legendary pokemon treated as a god by some.
Not having enough security measures to deal with an injured Salamence.
How Rayquaza couldnt just escape by itself is beyond me. They should hold the facility responsible, not a dude who has nothing to do with it, and especially not a kid who just did self defense
Interesting video ❤
Thank you!
I read this and it felt sad for ruby
Ruby grows from it all dw
@@HybridHeroyeah I know but still
SHIP
Oh god I just realized you guys are commenting ship here I meant it as a reply to the comment 😅😂
@@HybridHero oh. Sorry. I'll comment on your reply.
We need more pls
Let’s see 👀
@@HybridHero yo dude just want to say that i just discovered you from your last vid and you make some fire content
Thanks bro, appreciate it! Be sure to share it with your friends so we get it movin!
@@HybridHero i domt have any friends that are into pokemon lile that
Norman is just a normal dad😂
For real
Thanks for exploring Norman as a character. It's annoying when I see a lot of people simply describe Norman as this very abusive father. Like, yeah his actions are quite extreme but that's a really one dimensional way of viewing him. They don't consider why Norman did certain things and mostly only look at the pannel where he punched Ruby once and deem him a monster.
I like the addendum of "being around" given that Giovanni is Silver's dad but he just isn't around.
While I don't agree with Norman slugging Ruby, his behaviour towards his son was totally valid, Ruby acted like a complete selfish jerk, he ran from home, disregarded his parents feelings and didn't say anything about what he was doing or where he was going.
Now, he is a kid, so he's naive and impulsive, but Norman just wanted the best for his son, and Ruby completely ignored it. This is why Norman is such a misunderstood character.
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The manga version of norman really is an awful father that doesn’t let his son do his own thing and look what that got his son.
To me, I don’t believe that ruby wasn’t a bad kid I believe his father is the main reason why ruby became the way he did and cause him to act the way he is in the manga.
All ruby wants is to do Pokémon contest while his father wanted him to do Pokémon battles instead to me norman wasn’t being reasonable and supportive to his son.
He was majorly over the top of him at the building incident and so far as to punch him and beat him up like that’s completely inhuman and abusive of norman to do that to him and ruby wasn’t at fault of all of this as well so…I do believe that both of them wasn’t at fault at all don’t get me wrong I do found the moment when he was beating up his kid wasn’t right at all and he should be arrested for child abuse but the true cause of the father and son unstableness is the Salamance is the blame that cause the sky hight Pokémon to escape and ruby at six years old at the time was trying to save his friend from said dragon-type Pokémon that cause the family mess in the first place.
And I didn’t read the gen 3 manga at all but all of this could have been avoided if that damn dragon-type Pokémon salamance didn’t break in to the Pokémon research center at the time like what was the salamance was doing exactly?😒
Eh did you watch the video? Neither of them are in the wrong and Norman is actually a great father LOL
Read ORAS. It's a treat-
I was confused with what you were trying to say till you clarified at the end that you didn't read the manga. Though you are still getting quite some things wrong (which frankly was stated in the videos clearly), but let me point this out anyways.
Ruby as a kid did not start out as someone who aspired to be a contest master. In fact, he loved battling and in his own words his training with his father was some of his best memorise. The reason he began to value beauty over battle was because of the Salamance incident where he realised his furious battling abilities scared Sapphire more than Salamance did which was made worse when the Pokemon Association forced Norman to look for Rayquaza for five years making what was actually a healthy relationship between a father and son distant.
Five years later Ruby had already made up his mind that he wants to do pokemon contest instead of battling and while it's true Norman still wanted Ruby to practice his battling, you have to understand that Ruby was still around the age of 10 which is sttill very young. Not only did Norman wanted to solve the sky pillar maze with his son, he also wanted Ruby to be strong enough to take care of himself. And saying Norman was not supportive of his son is just outright fault. In Ruby's 11th birthday he was going to allow Ruby to pursue his dream to partake in pokemon contest. In Norman's own words he still wanted Ruby to become a trainer and did not understood why Ruby is so fascinated by beauty but he also understood that Ruby is growing old enough to choose his own path and was supportive of it. Had Ruby actually waited till his 11th birthday celebration he would have been able to do what he wanted.
It's also important to note that Norman hasn't been able to give his time for his family because of the punishment the Pokemon Association imposed in him. So could not always be their personally to check on Ruby. Up until now Ruby and Norman's relationship has not been that of abuse but more so neglect. Something that was totally out of Norman's control.
As for the building sence, I think people react too much to the punch sence. Yes that was too extreme of Norman to do that and punching an 11 year old is quite uncalled for but that shouldn't just immediately paint Norman as the worse father. Moreover, he only punched him once and Ruby's decision of running away was very selfish which put his mother, someone who loved him his whole love, in this very worried state. Other than punch, most of what Norman did was scolding his for his reckless behavior. The other injuries they sustained was due to the Pokemon battle they had rather than abuse, something that is especially very common in the manga since battles there gets quite extreme even in official matches. But even after all that he let Ruby to continue his dream of partaking in pokemon contest. After that, every interaction between them have never been hostile. In fact, they only bonded more.
I feel people look into the punch a bit too much. Really, that's the only form of physical abuse Norman has directly inflicted on his own son. The rest done orally, which can only be described as a father scolding his son for his mistakes.
I am not saying Norman is the best father, neither was the fault untirely on Ruby. Despite how selfish his actions were, Ruby had his reasons for the way he behaved, just that his father was not the reason for those. Norman still cared for his son like taking the blame for Rayquaza's escape entirely on himself for example.
Idk why ppl saying hes a bad father yeah the punch was wild but when i read the manga all i though it was just tough love. Yah bro had his flaws
Daddy Wataru is there for Hibiki -////-