This Happened while Starting WHITE FREIGHTLINER W/Detroit Engine.We was WARNED !!
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- Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2023
- In this video we go back to the White cabover Freightliner that we only got going on ether and see if we can get it movin, and maybe even sell it.. Easier said than done so stick around and learn why you DontbeWily..
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The injector fuel rack in all the injectors are stuck. If you look straight down by where you were putting your vice grips, you'll see a little finger that goes into the rack that goes up to each injector. take some WD40 and spray up inside the injector where that rack goes into and take a screw driver and a small hammer and lightly tap the rack that goes into the injector until it moves. Gently tap it out then in until it moves freely. keep spraying WD40 into the injector where the rack goes into. If they loosen up and all move freely you can hook the governor rod back up on both sides with a new cotter pin. put a vise grip on each rack tube and go ahead and fire the engine again, with the valve covers off. They don't sling hardly any oil. if the little rods don't free up on each injector, you'll need to remove the injectors and replace them or work with them on a work bench using WD40. Good Luck!
Stuck injectors
You nailed it!
Yeah...what he said...lol.
Actually you can't get WD40 to the stuck part on the injector that way. The pumping plunger is what is stuck and that's way down in the innards of the injector. If you just had to spray something in it you would need to take the two fuel lines off the injector and squirt your favorite penetrant down the two holes and then cross your fingers Usually it's old varnished up fuel causing the problem. Acetone and other high octane petroleum products can cut the stuff loose.
@@jaygraham5407 He should have expected this.
Amazing to see that old truck start up, almost a runaway engine. You did a great job Wiley stoping that engine, i think its been a long time since it ran.
If your able to determine that a few comments are from older Detroit mechanics and there telling you to do certain things to check before starting the engine you want to listen a little.
I will heed to that suggestion
I wasn't trying to be a smart-aleck Mr Wily .
You could have unscrewed the fuel filter to get it to Lose prime. Old mud flap works good for blocking air intake. You have one or more stuck injectors holding the rack open. Need to pull the injectors out and lube them up until they all move freely.
I remember back in 1965 riding in the family station wagon watching scores of freightliner cabovers wondering where they were going and coming from......
Really don't see why it didn't runaway as it did level off. Anyway find the stuck injector. Bumping the engine over (WITH FUEL HOSE OFF) and find the injector plunger that stays down. Pry up and tap down till it frees up. NEVER> EVER bump a detroit over till the injector rack is free and hooked back up to the governor. Make sure the emergency flap works. A Detroit can start instantly with just one bump so be alert.
Thanks for that info
Don't beat yourself up Wiley
We've all done things like this and that's the way u learn and remember.
Had a tractor runaway and I about got excited to 🤪
😅 LOL
Good video to learn what NOT to do. Always check for a stuck injector on a Detroit.
Thats right I will next time
That's the first thing you check on Detroit are the racks lucky great video thanks Wylie and Jacob
Thanks and yes
Like Thomas said, work each injector and try to free them up.
Remove the rocker arms to get better access if needed.
Will do
Take a Blunt punch and hammer tap the top of each injector like you would a Stuck valve. Loose ones will spring back. stuck ones will not.
Spray your favorite bust rust, and with the help of a small hook bar pry the injector up and tap again. Repeat as necessary.
The fuel Gov. defaults to wide open on shut down.
Tom
Just make sure the rocker is all the way up when tapping it down, otherwise you might be beating the wrong injector.
Correct Should have mentioned that!@@mikegoodman447
Thanks for sharing
You might want to get yourself a battery operated pruner like the DeWalt DCPR320 for all the brush you guys have to get through. I have one and love it. Once you use one you'll never go without one again!
Thanks
It seems that everyone that plays with these Detroit's never seem to remember too check the emergency shut-off that will shut it down no matter what
I was guilty of that.
Not all of those old Detroits had the emergency shutdown flapper.
@@frazzledudeevery one I have does on the supercharger I have seen one suck past the vane seals engine oil and run off that ! hands down the best way to kill one with out damage is have a big Co2 fire extinguisher with that horn to put over the intake on top of that blower I also first off put a quarter turn valve on the fuel line by the gear pump I have a shop full of them 2-53 to a 12V 92
Lesson learned.No harm no foul.😂😂😂 Wiley you moved like the Eveready bunny😂😂😂
Whew that was close. I believe you have some stuck injectors wily. Good luck.
That Detroit winds up and sounds nice. Can’t wait to hear it haul a big load up grade.
Wiley give Ol 2 Stroker a call he's the Detroit Guru. I think follow those Linkages to that Little box at the front of the Engine undo four screws and theres an Adjusting Nut I believe in there that will loosen those Linkages I think
I worked on many Detroit diesels while in the army and when they run away like that you do panic. I have taken fuel lines out of a fuel can and the engine started running off the engine oil till it blew a rod through the side. Suck the clipboard right through the intake
I heard a story of a guy sitting on one with one of his cheeks. Not sure thats true or not but if so. I bet he had a heck of a hicky
You need a list of things to bring on your truck start ups.
My grandfather drove a white freightliner just like that for AIRCO hauling liquid nitrogen. We have alot of pictures of it. Unfortunately a drunk hit him head on and wrecked the truck . My grandfather bailed out and survived. We have the pictures of the wrecked truck too.. After that he drove conventional semis for 25 years more
Thanks for sharing that story
Have a safe and wonderful Merry Christmas Wily. Keep up the great work.
Great job Wiley and Jacob!
Thank you
Remove pins out of the plunger of injector that secure it to the rack. This way, sometimes they can free up by not pulling injectors. Now, Find the one(s) that won't move in and out freely. Sometimes some penetrant on the plungers and some finessing in and out frees them up. Sometimes it don't and the injector need removed to be freed. Other times they're so stuck the injector needs rebuilt.
Thanks for sharing
That's why I love watching your videos wiley, full throttle all the time baby!!! Keep em roring wiley!!!😆😆
Thank you
Looks like some stuck injectors. Remove em and manually work the stuck unit while adding some penetrating oil to the fuel inlet and you should be able to unstick it
Thanks for sharing Wiley Appreciate you buddy 👍
Hey Wiley call Hank he can call Wes tell some bad jokes LOL the old Detroit sounded strong think you might drive it out maybe !!!! Good show Mate thanks
Kym
Adelaide
Lol
Thanks for watching
Sharp tool Jacob! Make checklist of essentials you will or might need B4 you leave your driveway. These rigs are too far off the beaten track to run to get supplies mid-project.
Yes
Gentry and sons needs this truck
for a old man you can move pretty quick in a panic haha love your videos
Lol
Thanks for watching
😅 moving like you were 25 again, cat like reflexes, great work ! And new subscriber here 👍
One thing for sure, once you have a Detroit runaway on you it probably won't ever happen again. You'll learn from that one time for sure.
Yes . I will know for sure where the emergency air intake is and if its working
awesome video ..and happy thanksgiving
awesome job wily take care and God bless
From near electrocution , snake fright, to run away engine it's more like the Adventures of Wily!
Lol. I think
To loosen the injectors take the screws out of the round rails to find out which one is stuck do one at time
Those have to be set in a particular way. Those shouldn't be removed. There is a pin that secures the rack to the plunger. That's what you remove
Lol Wiley that's why most old timers call those Detroits screaming Detroits. Here's a tip for you when your when your getting ready to try to start one take the air intake hose loose and if nothing else just put a Wal-Mart bag over it if it starts running away. I always keep about a foot long 1" X 6" board in the back of the truck just as something to put on the air intake to shut them down. I'm like you I'm surprised it didn't end up with a rod sticking through the side of the block. There is one thing for sure that engine has a lot of life in her by running that hard for so long. Check and see if you don't have some stuck injectors stuck. If they are a few stuck take a small hammer and tap on them to see if they won't free up. I'm not talking about beating them to death just tap on them some and see if you can't free them up like that. From watching you try to get the rack to move it looked like the rod wasn't stuck normally it an injector or two stuck because that's what the rack controls. If I was a betting man that's what your going to find. I've had the same problem so I'm speaking from experience. Love your channel and its so funny your Wiley is Jacob hahaha. Keep up the good work and God bless.
When it got to winding up i got a little excited and could not find the emergency kill and was looking around for anything that i could use to smoother it out with but couldn’t find anything
I have since located the emergency kill and i will have something close to shut air off with.
Thanks for watching
Wily that was an amazing video just thank God the truck did not run away from u guys
Yes
I knew the cab would lay down flat
I hope part three is coming soon.
Very good job and God bless y'all
When the Cab went over it pulled the throttle. I had the same problem when I had a busted motor mount. Same problem except my pickup was in gear!
That's funny I did a 10ft Wheely into a tree!
All the military mechanic crew chiefs back in the day, always had a clip board to put over the intake.
Great idea
Good thing the truck didn't take off rolling Mr Wily would have been mess lol with the throttle wide open hope you and Jacob have a good week
Thank you and yes it would have been. Lol
18:40 well done!
all's well that ends well. wily these things happen. you got away with it. good for you ], you kept your head and avoided certain disaster. good for you
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Wiley i was scared for you. You did a good job getting it shut down. Glad you will be more careful in the future. The pucker factor had me on the edge of my seat. Take care and see you on the next video.
I got a little exited myself. Lesson learned
Wow now that was a major run away. Never seen one twist that high and long with out launching a rod. Good show Wily
You must not know who KT3406E IS ON RUclips!
@@George-dy3pt Now THAT guy can abuse a Detroit!! Still, incredible how long they run with no water and fuel jammed full open!
@@George-dy3pt YEAH, I unsubbed him over that hateful shit...
He's a good mechanic, a shame he has that set of crossed wires...
What a great project that truck would be.
There not crossed that's the only purpose for a Detroit anymore pure entertainment lol
#Wily Your a great guy for holding his cool. Things could have went bad very fast.
I think the low sulfur fuel is the problem ,. Back in the 70's never had a rack stick now if a Detroit sits for a year or two look out !!
I live in California, and that ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel has destroyed many engines and cost millions of dollars in damage throughout the state. It chemically attacks and disintegrates fuel system seals and O-rings made out of buna-n rubber. The replacement seals and O-rings are made of neoprene, and they seem to hold up okay. The other problem with the ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel is that is has very poor lubricating properties. Because of this, pumps and injectors using low sulfur fuel wear out quickly. Some of the good quality diesel fuel additives will increase the lubricity of the fuel and add some of the life back to fuel system components. All in all, I would advise truckers to avoid California. Over-the-road diesel fuel here costs $6.50 a gallon. And the state wants to ban the sale of all diesel powered trucks in favor of electric battery powered trucks. The state's regulations here are insane, and an independent trucker just can't make a living anymore.
Well what a rush glad it was ok
Thanks
Next time you're fixing to fire up a demontriot diesel, remove the valve covers first. Next, remove the clevis pins second. Next, check to see if the control rack sticks. If it has stuck injectors, it will have a stuck track. Bar the engine over by hand. Watch for plungers that won't pop back up. Remove those injectors. Spray liberally with acetone or other varnish removal. Get it into the fuel line holes. Hold it in your hand and strike the plunger top with a soft face deadblow hammer. Repeat until you see a mist firing out of the pin holes. Put it back in the engine, set the timing or injector height. Set your rack. Attach the governor control rod with the clevis pin. Prime the system. Fire it up.
Thanks for sharing and watching
*Scary stuff Wily!* 😦 Glad it finally shut off. Nice lookin ole rig 🔧
Thanks for watching
Saw a Bobcat engine run away running backwards! Couldn't block off the exhaust because it was a pipe in a pipe! Finally plugged the intake! Bobcat wanted that engine!
Thanks for sharing
I had a Detroit, and a Mack engine run backwards. They didn't run very fast and was able to shut them down quickly. Never seen one runaway backwards though.
@@bertgrau3934 LoL 🤣😆
It definitely was an exciting moment around the shop!
@@dans_Learning_Curve
Yes, I suppose that would have been exciting. At least you did get it shut off.
Dude stated that when they laid the cab over it threw the throttle wide open locked. He had stated that the rack was stuck, before he saw that. I have only a little experience with diesel engines, but I wouldn't mess with trying to start one that had been setting up, without, at least, having handy, a quick means of shutting the air and/or fuel off. We all have brain farts, I guess, sometimes disastrous ones, though. I have heard of engines being worn enough that they can pick up oil from the crankcase and run away. In that situation, I don't know if it would be possible for it to pull enough air through the crankcase vent, if the normal intake were plugged, but I guess it might be possible. There would not be much stopping that, unless a person could find and plug the vent with it threatening to blow apart.
Good job Lads and good save !!! The ol beast gets to live another day !!! 😉😎
Lol. We going to try it again
@@DontbeWily awesome!!!! I'm super keen to see how it goes 😉😎
The Detroit engines I have been around have a air flap cutoff built into the intake! Need to locate and be prepared to use in these situations.
Not on all of them...
@@charlesangell_bulmtl well this one has it I saw it later
I will for sure
WELL that was a fine reawakening 😁 😏 she sounded a bit ferocious ...It'll be fine, a runner👍
Subscribed to your channel, Wiley - not sure what took me so long, I thought I already had. Better late than never I guess! All the best from Pittsburgh, my friend.
Thank you for that and thanks for watching
love those old cabover white freightshakers
Me too.
Omg, when she revved up like that, I almost threw me phone , and ran out of the house, lol
But those things happen on diesel engines, not your fault Don😮😮😄😄👍👍🍮🍮
Lol 😂
I spent many a day in one like that only it was a twin screw.
Now yall be safe out there boys!
We will
Gm engine when working on them have a board to choke it out at the air cleaner if it over runs the engine as you said check it out before starting it .
I was worried that too much stress would crack the windshields. The grease in the hydraulic cylinder was interesting. I got a shot once siphoning JP4 out of a bomber.
You stayed cool under some noisy pressure. Nice work.
Thanks 👍
Wow. That looked like it was going to go boom.....
I had the same thought
I remember bending a couple of shifters on my 89' freightliner because I kept forgetting to make sure it was in neutral before I lowered the cab😢
Good old engine burning clean
I had a 71 White Freightliner that was a long straight truck. I wanted to move the axles back and make a tractor out of it. Sold it before I did anything with it. 350 small cam Cummins and 13 speed. 4:44 gears in the rears.
I had a 70 , had a 250 Cummins, 10 speed 4.64 gears. Slow, especially going uphill with a heavy load. It was dependable.
Probably the injectors are stuck Wily, I've seen them have to pull them to loosen them up.
That old Detroit had a lot to say when you woke it up!😂
IT'S FINE. NEVER SEEN YA RUN THAT FAST. THAT BEING SAID. YOU SHOWED HOW TO HANDLE THAT TYPE OF SITUTION IF ANYONE RUNS INTO IT AGAIN.
I'm not a diesel mechanic but maybe it has something to do with the governor. Stuck governor?? I'm not sure. I'll pass that off to someone who knows more than I do. That was definitely alarming. Be safe out there! Thanks for sharing, Wily!
Thank you for watching
I don't consider a stuck rack a runaway it's just full throttle. A runaway is when it runs on it's oil from the crankcase and is a real smoke show.
You are partially right,when the rack is stuck it is in full fuel the governor by design cannot pull the rack back! But yes when Detroit run off & suck oil past rings or blower seals that is a true runaway 👍
Thanks for sharing
The best Detroit mechanics that I have seen on u tube are ol2stroker and a mechanic thank God that you weren't hurt another one is a mechanic on countrylife
That guy on country life doesn't show much detail
Bus Grease Monkey. He knows Detroits inside and out. Probably rebuilt more of them than most of us have even seen!
Pop the racks out make sure each injector actuates thru its whole range of motion smoothly whichever ones are stuck or real tight, loosen up the fingers on the rack and slack off the rocker for those injectors
I started out in a White Freightliner cabover exactly like that one. Mine didn't come with power steering or seat belts. This was in 1980.
Oh yeah. It’s a great lookin truck. Farm truck. Probably lots of raid miles then farmer bought it and kinda put it into retirement. Used it once in a while. Then parked it. But a great looking Freightliner.
Excellent video Wiley :) , Jacob :) that motor definitely is wild open scream Detroit V8 could and check out side linkage to also pedal in cab if not should be electric switch for Throttle Overtide in dash on switch need key ignition switch on postion also motor might need be in running mode started up ! What it Throttle Override switch is for Truckers in park mode turn on so go get stuff at Serivce Center like coffee so keep motor running 1000 RPM and when come to truck turn off back to low Idle of like 750 then driving off and when get back top gear to drive flick switch on so be like Cruise Control too ! If that help out Wiley 3 to higher tons truck in Desiel motor like Detroit, Cat , Cummings, Mack , Volvo, Freightliner, old Fords , Sterling , International trucks had it and also used Throttle Override was build up Air Pressure on truck plus trailers also air suspension and on cold weather or starts too ! Hope that helps out why and should be free on when motor shut off on heads agree to that and hope find why !
Thanks for sharing.
You need to take the rocker cover off ,,,every time you do a will it start on a 2 stroke Detroit 😂 that would of insured no stuck injections rods, lol thanks BigAl California
Wily in a tight spot you can use diesel fuel as a lube.. rag on a fuel checker stick will get ya some.. Good save on that runaway 👍👍👍👍
Thanks for sharing
You have to take a screwdriver on each injector to see which one is not moving the ones that aren’t moving or stuck. You have to try to get unstuck or replace.
I knew this would happen someday.
Yes. I was warned
There a type of wild hollie berry’s, Like watching your videos from central Florida Wiley!!!
Thank you for sharing
You gotta take the inspection plate off under the injectors right by the exhaust manifold
That was owsome old school yracktor
Wiley's Motto "It ain't mine come on turn it over" 😂
Lol. I was thinking at one time i might be buying this
Open fuel tank and jumper cables. An interesting combination!
It’s just diesel fuel, a few sparks ain’t gonna do anything
Hey Jeff, have you ever heard of wrenches instead of vice grips they work a little bit better that way you don’t round anything off but you as mechanics you would know that
Wiley, please don't ever mess with an old Screamin Demon w/o making sure the governor rack is free. You are just gonna find where it is stuck and free it up. Take rack apart and check and free up the sticky areas. That governor arm should move freely. Good job shutting her down. I'm really surprised that work.
Thank you and thanks for watching
You Think Hannibal stopped by with his bag o tricks lol
What did the oil look like? Pressure? That was tense!
You will figure it out
The injectors have rod mechanisms on them .They are all connected by the linkage when one injector is stuck the whole linkage jams all of the injectors in the same throttle positon
Thanks for sharing
Good jod Wylie! The old "super57trucker" is looking for a 6-51 Detroit, and long hood with good hinges for a 1969-1972 Chevy 900.
Thank you
There is a plunger on cab jack to pump cab back down.
Wow I am glad that didn't blow up the old screaming demon
Not just a will it run, but a will it run away!
Diesel Creek said when that happens it sounds like the gates of hell opening and he's right!
It was screaming
That’s why you should lube up and get the throttle working and make sure you can shut it down if you need too. Everyone is always in a hurry tho
Unfortunately I dont know how to unstuck a stuck rack there. I was thinkin maybe it jammed whenever that cab slammed down and nailed her wide open, but I mean it could be injectors, it dont look rusty or anything. Why else would it stick?
Old Gummed up fuel
I was not sure
this reply about gummed up fuel make sense ti me