MODERN FOREHAND WITH COACH ANDREW GU
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Thanks to Coach Andrew Gu and Coach Christopher Chien for showing and teaching us about the modern forehand.
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I love seeing “The Three Amigos” videos, you guys are super helpful, explain things well plus …. I am always waiting for some friendlyhazing or Dad jokes! A pleasure to watch. 😎
What's funny is that the swing Coach Gu teaches and his actual stroke is completely different. First, he plays with a slightly bent arm, but teaches straight arm forehand. Second, he says to "drop the wrist", but his wrist never drops that far down. Instead, he has a slight hitch during takeback with racquet face slightly closed.
That’s because coaches tend to exaggerate techniques while teaching because in a match/game situation that technique will always naturally reduce itself...
It's the same as when you teach the pronunciation of different languages.
Excellent video! Clear and to the point! Thanks.
never fail to impress ! keep it up tennisspin + andrew guuuu!! :')
I learned back in the 80’s. Really like teaching an old dog new tricks.
Wow!! I haven't heard patting the dog since the early 90s. Luv it
I still say it through!!
nadal plays with semi western and the "modified semi western" is the eastern grip the one federer uses
no he doesnt he uses a western grip same as djokovic
@@louiselouboutin9045 Nadal and Djokovic both use a semi-western grip, you can see it if you look the the footage
Good lesson and the results speak for itself in the beginning.
Top notch! Thanks guys!
Straightforward and informative. Do you have the same for a single handed backhand?
Great job!! Thanks 🎾🎾
Guys audio was really hard to hear. I see huge advantage in early preparedness. My issue is footwork they taught you (back in the day) to lean into the shot using momentum of your body to impart more inertia into your forehand. This new shot instinctively (fast windup) catches you flat footed (or worse tipping BACK) on your heels. So where is the inertia coming from, because this new forehand doesn't seem to move the body weight into the strike zone. Is it fast uncoiling the fast windup with that torquey semi-western and using speed of the opponent's ball ? Coach Chris I believe Jack Sock uses the full Western to great effect. I must be going deaf really struggled to hear you guys. Harry your older tennis coach has such an effortless swing I marvel where he gets the power, his body is so quiet during his swing! Thanks for the video I could watch the swing in slow mo for 2 minutes just to remember all the components of this very important shot.
where’s the SFO tennis jumper from and where can i get it ?
This modern forehand by using semi-western or full western grip was evolved in the mid late 80's. Most rookies at that time like Jimmy Arias and Aaron Krickstein were well recognized with their heavy topspin by using such grip. Interestingly, the better known player using a continental grib aka lazyman's grib for forehand was Stefan Edberg.
Great vid keep up the great work!!!
That's an interesting drill!
Next Gen forehand next please!
Your pointing finger nuckle on edge of 3rd bavel and covering the 4th bavel partially which is modern semi western grip.
Isn't that a Eastern grip?
what's the point of the cones drill? Why the closed angle etc ? thanks
Great explanation from coach Andrew! In my opinion, his forehand is just perfect! However, I watched the Nick Bolletieri's video and it was about forehand's petting a dog. Only this is not brushing at the moment of hitting the ball, but just lowering the racket down after turning the torso. This movement looks like petting a dog when the racquet is parallel to the court surface. Maybe it used to be called that and coach Andrew just didn't catch the time. Thank you for the video!!!
Great video! Very informative
Patting the dog is more about where your hand is positioned when you bring the racquet back. Your palm should be face-down, as if you were patting a dog on the head. Rick Maci explains this very well.
Shoulda included the eastern grip too :( otherwise great video
@Evan Carney I agree, I play with it too! such a fun grip
That’s my grip. It feels like a speed bump, so my grip would stop there. It’s hard for me to stay on a true semi or eastern because it feels flat or empty.
I use the same grip.
i always like eastern and semi western grip. i hit flatter
What stings you play with guys? Is it Solinco you got thete?
Hello, please do same video for backhand. Please, please, please!!!!
Very good♡♡♡ nice ♡♡♡♡♡♡
Pat the dog - > stroke the fur.
The point is to be gentle at impact, harnessing the large rotational force created by the top spin.
Coach Gu could keep elbow and racket closer to the body at take back for less strenuous and more flexible technique (the shoulder will be more relaxed and able to do any last second adjustment).
Set grip - > torque the body maintain relaxed shoulder - > move to the ball - > release rotational tension to create a linear impact zone -> back to Ready position.
"Follow through" is just an effect of the prior
Ok armchair coach
Thank you for sharing. Now is crystal clear.
I think, tapping the dog means sth else (it is kind of about pushing the racket away from you on the backswing to create accelaration) --> Rick Macci
But everyone has his own explaination style and I like your videos very much. Keep it up!
What rackets are the coaches using?
You don’t look old enough to have played with a wooden racquet. I was taught that forehand exactly as you demonstrated when I learned to play in 1980 with my Wilson Jack Kramer.
So Gu is using half way between eastern and semi western?
he has a "full eastern" grip
Rick Minda no, he has an in between E & semi western. Watch closely
any tips for the full western? I can't change now
does your wrist hurt after playing a match?
@@andresferrer9175 no never my grip is just a bit to extreme I find it
Is it Yonex v core 95 Andrew using does any one know ?
Eastern grip it is.
Overall good general info but to say Del Potro’s forehand is “old school” was disappointing. Anyone here would trade Del Porto’s forehand for coach Gu’s “modern” forehand? I agree with other commenters he shows one thing but his own forehand is not what he teaches. Dropping the head causes low level players to exaggerate that motion and shank balls left and right.
Did he answer that question, whats pat the dog?? Hehe!!!
We say "stroke/brush the fur", gently is the key :)
Gu mondays!
Isn't this a rerun?
Is it cold ? Everyone is wearing long sleeves
San Francisco. Hello!
i actually have the same grip as Coach Gu 😄
With all due respect to Coach Gu, there's a lot of misinformation in his explanation. Not knowing the grips is not a good look.
1) The first MAJOR complaint is the idea of dropping the wrist. That is horrible advice to give. It is NOT a wrist movement in the least, it is a shoulder movement (external to internal rotation of the shoulder). You are setting up a student for failure if you are advocating for wrist movement.
2) "Pat the Dog" is a phrase used when explaining the relationship between the hand and racquet before the forward swing. The racquet head should be above and to the outside of the hand. This will set up the ability to engage the shoulder properly to hit a "heavy" ball (a shot with both speed and spin) when you pull the hand forward to start the forward swing.
The modern forehand's major characteristics are:
a) a wide variety of grips can be used (eastern, semi-western or western). Continental grip is not advised.
b) compact swing - hand/racquet stay on the hitting side of the body.
c) racquet stays above the wrist and to the outside of the hand in the backswing, setting up the "flip" or sometimes called the "dynamic slot".
d) "pull" the hand forward in a linear path to properly engage the shoulder by actions of the "flip" or "dynamic slot".
e) the straighter the arm in the backswing and at contact, the better. A straight arm is not natural for most people.
f) "Heavy ball" - The ability to hit with both speed and spin is the GOAL. All other types of forehands allow for one or the other BUT not both.
"Pull the hand forward to start..." is a misconception. Correct placement of body (weight) and rotational force created by the torso are the powers driving a tennis stroke. The shoulder, elbow, hand are used for small final adjustment in the moments before impact to make sure that one "pats the dog", "brushes the cat", "strokes the fur" or any other wording you would like for the harnessing of the large rotational force created by the body. The body is the machine, the hand is the paint brush.
@@einarjuel - Not denying the kinetic chain,: ground reaction force to hips to torso to shoulder to arm, but there are 4 pillars to the ATP or modern forehand:
Pillar 1: the body motions to create forward racquet speed are separate from those creating vertical racquet speed.
Pillar II: Independent arm movement is the key to a more linear swing path.
Pillar III: The more linear path to the ball, in line with close to the shot line. 2 degree of freedom movement (torso & non-twisting shoulder rotation)
Pillar IV: The head of the racquet is outside the hand, leading to external then internal rotation of the arm.
Lovely to see two armchair coaches arguing in the comments 😂😂 clearly you both have figured out the secrets to the FH. If I follow your lengthy technical descriptions, I will join the ATP in no time! If only I knew sooner...
@@seanoneil3886 Thank you for the elaboration :)
Didn’t they already make this video in the past?
I don't think it trained on the ''new'' forehand as much as this has.
I'm going to have to learn to lip read before I watch any more of your on-court videos.
Maybe you should do a ear check up
First
No masks? Gov
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