Forgot to give context. Ported this reel from IG. Basically the idea is to see if you can spot any actual real world differences between the both. Everybody thinks you NEED to have a Leica lens on a Leica body but that’s not always going to be the case.
@@RickStender he literally asks if you can tell the difference. But he provides it in a form where it’s really hard to do so, implying/ manipulating that there is no difference. And there is
Impossible to tell at this size and compression. I could tell the difference if there were some portraits under these circumstances. The 7Artisans is a Sonnar design I believe the Leica is a double Gauß.
Correct, the thing is professional photographers make money with their lenses, so these companies make money from professionals who earn, and hobby photographers who want some of these gears, so yes they are better, true that it’s not worth the price on paper, but if the access to these lenses and expensive bodies were cheap, then everyone would get it, thus reducing the value a lot.
Portrait isn't where you tell the difference.. it's city and street. The 7artisans flares and has barrel distortion. I still use one tho. It's a little firecracker ha.
Nope, the lens doesn't have much to do with large prints as long as the photos are sharp (which is mostly down to the photographer's skill). The MP count on the camera body is what matters for large prints
You don't need a good lens for large prints. If the print is larger, people naturally stand further back to see the whole image, meaning unless they are looking at a super close distance (which never happens) then no one can tell the difference. Skill always comes before gear.
@@ducklord3604 I don't think you have much experience printing. Printers can resolve much more detail than your monitor/TV. Your 32 inch 4K monitor is mere 140ppi. Set your printer to 140ppi and result will be laughably blurry. A decent fine art print shops will run a Noritsu on their standard prints. And those thing print at 640ppi. Area wise it is 20 times the MP of the 32 inch monitor. So any defects that are already visible on a screen will be very distracting on the prints. Of course, I don't think people into large prints shoot with Leica range finders. But you will still generally require pro-grade lenses.
Tbh, if they are not from the same scene, I doubt anyone would be able to tell the difference of any 2 lens, especially after post-editing. This does mean that the cheaper lens do not hold you back from crafting great art, but doesn’t mean that the expensive lens are not better.
Finally, someone who gets it! Love the Leica lens but the 7A holds up really well and for the most part, it's honestly hard to tell the difference in casual situations.
I can compare any photo that was taken on the most expensive lenses in the world with a pin-hole camera photo, all I need is to make images even smaller and show eahc for 0.1 seconds. I can guarantee you could not spot the difference
Can you tell the difference like that? Probably not... glass these days even from cheap chinese manufacturers is so good you really have to pixel peep to see the difference
I had the 7A 35 f2, some other 35s as well as the Summilux 35 FLE. The 7A optically is very nice but has a lot of pincushion distortion. Of course you don’t notice that in pics of people etc, but you will if there are straight lines in your image. The problem I had with the 7A is like all 7A lenses I’ve used is it focuses way past infinity at the hard stop. It still focused accurately with the rangefinder, but you couldn’t just crank it to the hard stop and think you had infinity. Also of course the build quality and design is not as nice. But if you only have $300 it is a super deal.
Good point! Yeah I agree on the distortion. I would say even then, it's quite acceptable for the price. QC was also the main issue I had. I had a few copies and all of the were back or front focused. Then again, I've also shot with Leica lenses that were back focused. You should check on the comments on my IG. Everyone started a riot because the 7A was on an M6. Ah the internet
With downsized RUclips resolutions, all shown photos have shitty image quality, technically spoken. The idea of the images is independent from gear but the output medium requires a certain input quality.
Fair point! I do agree on the input quality being important to a certain extent. But also in which situations would EXTREME quality be needed. I would say very little
I don't think there is a need to do A/B but the fact is whether I (we) like a photo can be subjected to a myriad of reasons like composition, lighting, color harmony and many more rather than just what is the image. bad lighting and composition with a good lens don't make an image nice, the ability of the photographer and the type of audience can also make the decision very different. so this reel, unfortunately, lose any meaning or at least your intended purpose because I am literally trying to paint on air here
Not on RUclips 😅 we all just watching this video in 720p or 1080p on a YT story 😅 You can tell the difference if you print otherwise no. No you can't tell the difference on a below 0.9mp video clip 🤣
This is the worst comparison dude there’s virtually no way to tell from completely different images, different styles, different lighting… it could be 20 different lenses
Depends on the lens, some camera brands are more expensive (like leica) But 300 can get you a solid lens, photography can be expensive, but it doesn't have to be ridiculous, 1000 can get you a good setup, 1000 is alot but it's not mind boggling
You can’t see the difference on the internet. Print it 10x10 put it close to each other and any good professional will tell you. But because 90% of the photos are for internet use. Before spending so much money for a lens you should ask yourself what you are doing with your photos.
I wonder how much 7Artisan puts into research and development, or do they just copy popular lens designs??.... How long before Leica won't have funds to do R&D? Will 7Artisan still produce amazingly cheap lenses then??... #justasking
I will never understand why people use Leica cameras or lenses. Yes they over good image quality. But a Sony a6000 can get damn near identical images for 300 bucks used and have access to more lenses that cost less. Idk. Maybe I need to use one to get it. But I don’t like their design. They seem very poorly designed.
LOL... since when humans have been fitted with eagle AI eyes that can spot differences that have been removed by algorithms to compress to to 1080.... or can you tell the difference between a whiskey aged 50 years and a cheap blended one by looking an them in a generic glass half a mile away through a pair of binoculars....
they all are different images brother.. try with same photo from two lenses
Forgot to give context. Ported this reel from IG. Basically the idea is to see if you can spot any actual real world differences between the both. Everybody thinks you NEED to have a Leica lens on a Leica body but that’s not always going to be the case.
The question is which came from which... I guess same scene would be relevent in my thoughts... but with the context you gave me, you are right💯
@@samguwagreed. I finally got a Summicron a while back and I don't know if it's even in my top three favorite 50mm lenses.
@@samguw it isn’t all about need, nobody *needs* a Leica, I’m still gonna buy the Leica lens over third party 🤷♂️
That's sort of the point. You'd need to A/B them and pixel peep to tell.
How am I supposed to see any difference on a 1/3 of a RUclips short?
Exactly 😅 its like they just assume most of their audience aren't photographers 🤣 this video is the equivalent of 0.9mp
Bro needs to at least print.
Or…perhaps that’s the point?
@@RickStender he literally asks if you can tell the difference. But he provides it in a form where it’s really hard to do so, implying/ manipulating that there is no difference. And there is
You have the ability to pause the video.
@@duvalpenny100 You don't know what youtube compression means?
I couldn’t even tell the difference between you and Brad Pitt after RUclips compression 😂
Hahahahahahah
Impossible to tell at this size and compression. I could tell the difference if there were some portraits under these circumstances. The 7Artisans is a Sonnar design I believe the Leica is a double Gauß.
Correct, the thing is professional photographers make money with their lenses, so these companies make money from professionals who earn, and hobby photographers who want some of these gears, so yes they are better, true that it’s not worth the price on paper, but if the access to these lenses and expensive bodies were cheap, then everyone would get it, thus reducing the value a lot.
size and compression dont matter, its supposed o be the same lense but one is cheaply made, its all about the lighting and bokeh
@@IsaiahProfeta Nope.
Portrait isn't where you tell the difference.. it's city and street. The 7artisans flares and has barrel distortion.
I still use one tho. It's a little firecracker ha.
$300 is cheap? That's all my photo gear combined
Yes, $300 is cheap for cameras and lenses.
Welcome to the photography world ;)
haha, same, I only got one lens, but lens and camera combined was maybe 140 euro
Yeah, because you have cheap equipment
Cheap doesn't mean bad. You can absolutely get cheap and good if you know where to look ;)
ye mine is 200
On a large print, yes. On a phone screen, no.
can't tell the diff here.. maybe it's not expensive enough..
Nope, the lens doesn't have much to do with large prints as long as the photos are sharp (which is mostly down to the photographer's skill). The MP count on the camera body is what matters for large prints
@@robbiecale3327 lens have effective mega pixels. Also on large prints, optical aberrations like chromatic aberrations and coma will be more apparent
You don't need a good lens for large prints. If the print is larger, people naturally stand further back to see the whole image, meaning unless they are looking at a super close distance (which never happens) then no one can tell the difference. Skill always comes before gear.
@@ducklord3604 I don't think you have much experience printing. Printers can resolve much more detail than your monitor/TV. Your 32 inch 4K monitor is mere 140ppi. Set your printer to 140ppi and result will be laughably blurry. A decent fine art print shops will run a Noritsu on their standard prints. And those thing print at 640ppi. Area wise it is 20 times the MP of the 32 inch monitor. So any defects that are already visible on a screen will be very distracting on the prints. Of course, I don't think people into large prints shoot with Leica range finders. But you will still generally require pro-grade lenses.
Tbh, if they are not from the same scene, I doubt anyone would be able to tell the difference of any 2 lens, especially after post-editing. This does mean that the cheaper lens do not hold you back from crafting great art, but doesn’t mean that the expensive lens are not better.
Finally, someone who gets it! Love the Leica lens but the 7A holds up really well and for the most part, it's honestly hard to tell the difference in casual situations.
I prefer the 7artisans pictures 😂 all somewhat qualitative cameras and lenses are technically good today, it's up to us to create beauty
where is the anwser?
Is it one from each pair? If so then I think it’s 2,3,6,8,10 are the Leica. But it’s hard to tell when the subjects are all so wildly different.
Both photos were actually shot with iPhone 😉 sorry for spoiling your secret 😂
Damnit you got me 😂
lol@@samguw
😂
Considering what RUclips does to uploaded videos, there's no way in hell you could tell the difference no matter how different the lenses were IRL.
Ig both was great
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2, 4, 6, 8, and 10. The contrast and subject seperation are what makes me think that
Not only are the images not even of the same subject it’s also been edited so there’s no way to tell 💀
I can compare any photo that was taken on the most expensive lenses in the world with a pin-hole camera photo, all I need is to make images even smaller and show eahc for 0.1 seconds. I can guarantee you could not spot the difference
I have no idea about the lens but those pictures were great
Appreciate it man
me watching in 144p👌
Can you tell the difference like that? Probably not... glass these days even from cheap chinese manufacturers is so good you really have to pixel peep to see the difference
Ok this is a wild answer, all images are from the 7artisan, and they look awesome 👍🏻
Fair try hahah but no. I think some of it would be quite obvious due to more bokeh. I think I forgot to mention but the answer is in the description!
I am jealous! Subbed. Nice shots man. I'm just over here dreaming of owning an M6 one day. To cope I just put out a leica meme short on my channel.
Love these kinds of comparisons bc it really puts in perspective how ridiculous these prices result in diminishing returns after a certain point
300 $ is is no cheap quality man
I had the 7A 35 f2, some other 35s as well as the Summilux 35 FLE. The 7A optically is very nice but has a lot of pincushion distortion. Of course you don’t notice that in pics of people etc, but you will if there are straight lines in your image. The problem I had with the 7A is like all 7A lenses I’ve used is it focuses way past infinity at the hard stop. It still focused accurately with the rangefinder, but you couldn’t just crank it to the hard stop and think you had infinity. Also of course the build quality and design is not as nice. But if you only have $300 it is a super deal.
Good point! Yeah I agree on the distortion. I would say even then, it's quite acceptable for the price. QC was also the main issue I had. I had a few copies and all of the were back or front focused. Then again, I've also shot with Leica lenses that were back focused.
You should check on the comments on my IG. Everyone started a riot because the 7A was on an M6. Ah the internet
@@samguw dood you want a riot? I put a Lomo Minitar on my MP!
@@husshardan3511 living life on the edge my man 🤣
7 artisans lenses slap tho fr
What’s the point, when you are wearing $10 spectacles? How can you tell the difference?
Impossible to tell the difference between them. They are all different images
With downsized RUclips resolutions, all shown photos have shitty image quality, technically spoken. The idea of the images is independent from gear but the output medium requires a certain input quality.
Fair point! I do agree on the input quality being important to a certain extent. But also in which situations would EXTREME quality be needed. I would say very little
Holy damn that is some T20 setup
You should tell which lenses from those fotos at the end
They’re all Artisan shots 🤓
Clearly the lens doesn’t matter. All the pics are great!
I don't think there is a need to do A/B but the fact is whether I (we) like a photo can be subjected to a myriad of reasons like composition, lighting, color harmony and many more rather than just what is the image. bad lighting and composition with a good lens don't make an image nice, the ability of the photographer and the type of audience can also make the decision very different. so this reel, unfortunately, lose any meaning or at least your intended purpose because I am literally trying to paint on air here
Personally I have the best of both worlds, a Leica Summicron-r 2 Cam 50mm f2 worth roughly $300.
I just unsubscribed… you never even tell us what camera took what photo.
From my own experiences a cheaper lens doesn't have the quality of a 2000 dollar lens. That's for canon lenses atleast.
The best value for money for 35mm summilux alternative is 35mm Voigtlander Nokton Classic
After turning pictures into a RUclips reel, no lens are worth $100
Where did you get that camera strap?
They both expensive
Wow❤
Hard to tell after processing and not showing a same side-side photo
dari loghat pun dah bole agak kalau ni cina Malaysia 😂😁
tpi ur english is so good
Difference are the transparentcy in the glasses
Not on RUclips 😅 we all just watching this video in 720p or 1080p on a YT story 😅 You can tell the difference if you print otherwise no. No you can't tell the difference on a below 0.9mp video clip 🤣
Shoot the 7Artisans at 1.4 and then let’s see the difference 😂
How can I tell from this🤔🤣🤣🤣
Is that a bezza and alza🗿
I get Leica is top quality and their stuff in hand made and put together in a sterile environment, but holy hell their shit is severely overpriced.
All look from $300 lens 😝
This is the worst comparison dude there’s virtually no way to tell from completely different images, different styles, different lighting… it could be 20 different lenses
Your video is so grainy looks like you used the worst compression when uploaded.
we don't judge NBA player's ability when they play in a kid's court
man just knowing that $300 is cheap for a lens makes me scared to enter the photography scene
Depends on the lens, some camera brands are more expensive (like leica)
But 300 can get you a solid lens, photography can be expensive, but it doesn't have to be ridiculous, 1000 can get you a good setup, 1000 is alot but it's not mind boggling
It’s cheap for the Leica system, but it’s very easy to enter photography for far less money and 85%+ of the quality
On film it won’t matter much
You can’t see the difference on the internet. Print it 10x10 put it close to each other and any good professional will tell you. But because 90% of the photos are for internet use. Before spending so much money for a lens you should ask yourself what you are doing with your photos.
If you are viewing through your phone high chance you are not going to see much difference.
The photos are way to different for making more than a guess
Yes of course I can tell, after you tell me. 🗿
you didn't give the answer
They all
Look canon lens
For me, its depend. I prefer more vintage pictures.
Compare the original design and copycat what is the point.
1 leica
2 7artisans
Up leica
I think alot of y’all are missing the point..
Its obvious if your not either printing large, doing alot of PP like cropping, or just doing a social media comparison then its just wasted money...
3, 6,7, 8,9 are clicked with leica lens
7 seems not a leica to me
1 Lica 2 a7
Whats the answer?
It’s in the description of the video! Should’ve mentioned that somewhere my bad
Is that Greg from BLG
surprised no one else called that out but yes, it is! Good eye ahahah
I can’t tell
Different photos. All edited in Lightroom. And I’m looking at this on my phone. This is dumb. 😊
Too quick! Can't decide anything!
Im poor. Ill just use filters in editing app hehe 😅
Are you kidding me? What is this?
I wonder how much 7Artisan puts into research and development, or do they just copy popular lens designs??.... How long before Leica won't have funds to do R&D? Will 7Artisan still produce amazingly cheap lenses then??... #justasking
6,9,10 leica lens
Answers in the description!
Top - leica
$6k for a lens, how stupid is that
What a pointless video
Such a bs comparison. Doesn’t even make sense.
Why "aye" when should be "er"
I will never understand why people use Leica cameras or lenses. Yes they over good image quality. But a Sony a6000 can get damn near identical images for 300 bucks used and have access to more lenses that cost less. Idk. Maybe I need to use one to get it. But I don’t like their design. They seem very poorly designed.
😂
Completely pointless video.
The photos are so horrible you could have taken them on iPhone
LOL... since when humans have been fitted with eagle AI eyes that can spot differences that have been removed by algorithms to compress to to 1080.... or can you tell the difference between a whiskey aged 50 years and a cheap blended one by looking an them in a generic glass half a mile away through a pair of binoculars....
Iyou can't tell the difference you can just say you can't tell the difference. No harm admitting 😂
@@samguw ... and if someone says that he can from a youtube video, leave alone a story, they are delusional
Softer one from leica 🤡
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These pictures suck.
Pointless video
Leica is just over priced :/. Sorry
For some..
Honestly to a certain extent, I agree. Certain Leica camera and lenses are not worth the money
Manual lens? No thanks.
Manual is better
Buy a nice camera and put a cheap lens on it 🤦♂️👎
Either way Leica is a fucking ripoff