Tall, Spindly, "Leggy" Seedlings | Seedling Troubleshooting
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Leggy seedlings can hurt crop yield by breaking easily and creating unappealing heads. There are 4 main reasons that seedlings get leggy. Read more: university.upstartfarmers.com...
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Timestamps/What's Covered:
00:39 The four things that lead to leggy seedlings
01:03 Too little light
02:47 The wrong kind of light for seedlings
03:45 Ammoniacal nitrogen v. nitrate nitrogen
04:42 Competition for seedlings
05:52 Leggy seedlings are still useable
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That was a perfect explanation for me. I didn't know that if there is less sunlight the seeds try to reach the sunlight. Thanks a lot!
Best video so far that I have watched about troubleshooting that I have seen so far. Well done.
Thanks I appreciate the reasons which most know’ I was interested in their salvage ability, keep or start over?
2:01 she just like "oops..."
Most useful video on this topic. Thank you!
No reason to throw away. Replant them deeper. No problem. Just be careful,they are very delicate. Mine reaches spindlyness rapidly before discarding the seed capsule I Usually try to assist her in the removal but this can be risky. Has worked out so far. I see there are other comments informing on the replanting I just wanted to say something too. Thank you brother. Great video. Very helpful.
I really like the way you told the 4 things right up front. It makes it easier to follow the rest of the video. Too many speakers tell you there will be 4 things, then Milk it out as they long talk talk talk. That sucks
You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed it and found it helpful.
Great video man , very informative. I've been searching for information for my new grow and u answered one of my big questions, about giving new paper towel germinated seeds that I put in peat moss plugs any light or not. Alot of people say wait till they show . But it looks like this is what happens. I was originally going to put them right into soil but alot of people said Fox farm OF is too hot, so I'm trying peat first.
Nice job man
Mix fox farm with some coco.
I'm new subscriber , really like the way you describe the subject. Great learning . Thank you . 🌲🌲🌲
Helpful information, thank you so much for sharing !
This is very helpful. I was the lighting!
Hi Nate, thanks a lot for sharing this. Very informative.
It's a pleasure! Thanks for watching.
I think this is what I've been looking for! Started some basil a little over a week ago and most of them are toppling over. Will try placing them outside
How’s it go currently dealing with the same thing with basil
Thank you so much. This is the only video that has helped me. I thought my plant was dying or something
Hi Thx for the great info. I see your seedlings are in sprouting bags. Can you tell me the best way to transplant. Can I just bury it ? Do roots grow through the bag ? :)
This was great! Thank you!!
one of my sunflowers has stem that is wavey. I had to stake it to get it upright. That is from starting it in the shade.
Dear thanks for usefull information. Can you tell me which chemical having Nitrate Nitrogen so that I use that one Thanks in advance JAVED MIRZA
thanks for the info.
wow I love how informative this is. Thank you so so much!!! :)
So happy to hear it was helpful!
What if i can't move it to a place with more sun, my pumpkin seedling had popped up randomly and I didn't notice it in my yard untill it was really quite leggy
Which temp fluorescents should I use to start with?
Thank you. I'm facing this issue right now Leggy seedlings and not fully developed roots- so when I'm trying to transplant, the roots collapse. I live in so California- we have high temperatures. I moved many seedlings from indoors to under a tree and they still died. I placed others in sheltered light and they also died. So what you do, filtered light or short periods of direct sunlight? I'm new at gardening so thank you.
Hi, that do you do when your worrying about keeping the plant warm
*Great Explanation .. Thank You*
I had it in my head they didn't need light till the true leaves formed and my search to figure out if their current appearance was correct or not, brought me here.
In 3 days time they have sprouted and grew 3-4" .. To the window sill they go .. fingers crossed 🤞
Wonderful! Glad this was helpful Amber!
No need to throw them out. Transplanting them deeper fixes most problems. Great info on the causes, but where’s the info on how easy they are to fix for most uses.
My okra and radish seedling is like dis due to lack of sunlight . I have added more soil to it. Will it produce vegetable even if it survive.
Thank you your info is very helpful.
You are most welcome😀Happy growing!
very helpful. ty for the video
Happy to help!
Good video, thanks!
Wonderful, easy to understand info! Thank you! I totally understood that! 😊
You suck
If my Bibb lettuce seedlings already have very long stems, is there any way to remediate it? Will the techniques mentioned have any ability to fix the plants, or just prevent legginess from happening in the future?
Hey love the info thanku....i know what im doing wrong thanku....peace
i squished my seedling on accident now it squished really bad but the root it iok but the 2 little leaves are now squished onto the stem. will this plant be ok or will it just die?
Very good information 👌
Glad to hear it!
My okra and radish seedling is like dis due to lack of sunlight . I have added more soil to it. Will it produce vegetable even if it survive.
There is nursery site arround me. but recently pinus spp. seedling is died daily. Is earth warm like verm compost(NEEDLE LIKE VERMCOMPOST) AFECT THE ROOT OF THE SEEDLING?
Good video cheers
I recently got some clone solution would that do my seedlings any good?
Great info!
Thanks for tuning in!
Good insight good info
can to much heat sort of make the stock melt?
I'm new to the university so I will probably see this again. My question. I'm starting seeds in grow mats in trays. The first batch came up leggy. Could it have been the fact that I was using my aquaponic fish water. You mentioned the higher ammonia being a cause.
Hi David - could be but most likely it probably has to do with your light (or lack thereof).
helpful thanks
Thank you so much! God bless during this pandemic 💜
Thanks!
How do I know what is red and which is blue light? Does LED bulbs have the right amount of red/blue light? Or is fluorescent ok?
Thank you... found my answer finally... not enough blue light... will fix today
Glad we could help!
Hey, can I set the whole tray of pods outside during the day in filtered sun as soon as they sprout until they are ready to be planted to avoid the leggyness? If they were directly seeded they'd be out there anyway is my thinking
@@joan-lisa-smith How did this work out for you? Honest question
Hey what blue light can i use? Is led light good enough?
Nate I'm a new grower that thing you had in you're hand with the cloth around it when I plant it do I cut the cloth of or plant it with the cloth on
these are jiffy type plus, you leave the cloth on as it holds the peat together. We mostly now use Growfoam sustainable plug or peat plugs- they can both be found in our online store and have no cloth around them. Hope this helps
Thanks a lot
Hello..Can yoy please help me...I seem to over water...
Helpful thank you!
Glad it helped!
I have very leggy tree starters, 2 weeks old. Can I cut them off like an 1” above the dirt and will they regrow less leggy now that they are outside? Or is that a bad idea?
Try, repot so leggy stem is below soil. Leave top above soil. Do not cut ✂
grow stores have told me the led's are not up to snuff. I like the cost per watt. any suggestions or comments?
I've been using led lights for 18months I haven't had any problems good harvest d nice buds LED have come along way in the past 5 years
Hii i need help with my plant plz
I now start planting
nothing about the small starter pots causing thin tall, plants. I have bigger ones (small flower pots)than that ,but I've used them in the windows sills for a month. transplanting time.
Thank you.
You're welcome!
will white light work?
So, once the seed cracks and leaves begin to emerge, should the clear covers (mini greenhouse) lids come off?
As long as you can keep your temps in the right range, yes!
When a plant(seedling or adult) is for personal use and it gets leggy resting on the soil could it live perfectly fine across the ground level just growing and developing there, branches reaching up to the sun but its main body snaking around? I'm talking about a single plant and not a crowd.
xbeanx3000 depends on the kind of plant
@George yeah and if you catch it young enough the area of stem you bury gives a chance to grow more roots to make a stronger rootball
I'm confused cuz I was told it was because they had too much sunlight and they grew too fast? I'm still struggling with this myself, I don't know if I'll ever get it ):
I think the soil needs to moist and full sun light. If the soil start to drying up in the sun take out into the shed, cool it down for 45 min to an hour, water them and bring them back to the sun.
If you have to sell them leggy sell it loose-leaf and create variety bags or clam shells no need to throw away food and waste money, time, effort etc... good video and always repot or give away to friends neighbors it’s better for you, the environment as well as the customers. Just give them a free leggy plant with any purchase of non leggy plants or sell them @ .50 cents a piece. I apologize for being a freak about throwing stuff away 😂 I try to conserve anyway I can.
My herb seedlings were super leggy and ended up dying 🙁
Yeah sunlight matters, but so does temperature. Even with sun, too much warmth can cause legginess. Happened with my cosmos, so I put them in the greenhouse. Almost gets freezing at night, but never completely and this has stopped them. I'll soon pot them on and as the nights warm here they'll be grand.
yes for sure. Glad you found a solution! Happy growing:)
I use yeast for soaking seeds and feeding seedlings.
You didn't mention temperature. I found that the right combination of light and a cooler temperature makes a difference with "legginess". Thank you for the info.
Glad it was useful!
So how do you transplant them without breaking the stem?
I've seen some ppl use spoons.
Blue light lengthens the plant, red light keeps it short and more bushy.
For leggie tomato plants, will transplanting them in larger pots and deeper in the soil will this make them stronger?
I tried this (transplanting in larger pot and deeper in soil) for my tomato plants since they were leggy and spindly, and now I noticed that the stems become thicker and the plants are growing well so far.
Really informative! My question is what day does a plant actually go into veg?
Urban Organic not 100% but I think the plant starts in veg from the day you see it pop through the soil until you put it into flower
I believe she goes into veg when the fisrt true leaves appear.
@@gmindgjerd I agree
On the 7th day. ☝️🥴
What's the best kind of grow light buld to use? Ty
I’ve found any light works, even led lights
@@judyhowell7075 LEDs are amazing for seedlings.
Aniyah Diloveli Lioness
Led quantum boards.
My tomato seedlings the last 2 years (started indoors under lights) have been leggy. After watching your video I thought it may be the wrong kind of light - your description of the plants affected sounded just like my tomato seedlings... but I just checked my bulbs (new this year) and they are 6500 K blue lamps. I have not used commercial fertilizer and am at a loss as to the cause....any other ideas?
How far is your light from your plants, Vicki?
A few inches from some and less from others since the plants are not uniform in height. They are actually outside now... Trying to harden off but the weather has been so wacky I don't know when I will be able to plant.
Hmm hopefully being outside in the natural sun will help. If there's a way to shield them a bit from the wind/cold temps, that'd be ideal. I'm sure they'll perk back up and you'll have a successful season!
I think it may be possible that it is too warm especially at night. It create an environment where the plants wants to grow but there is no light at night so it gets leggy.
I am starting to sow seeds now because the apartment I stay gets good sunlight from around sept-Oct until around Mar-Apr and indirect light for the rest of the year. If I add artificial light to make sure the seedlings are short and sturdy with good leaves, will the light outside need to match the intensity after I move them out in the balcony? Or will they do fine for a month or two with indirect light? I do not want artificial light around the year as this is just a hobby for me.
You should be just fine! The plants may be slightly shocked at first with the change, but that's normal when moving plants from indoors to outdoors because of a variety of factors. This process is actually called: "hardening off" if you want to research it more. Best of luck, Komal!
Besides the sunlight... I don't think any light competes with a 175 watt metal halide street lamp for seedlings and starting vegetative growth
What do I need to do to my seedlings, to get lots of leaves on them?
When I start my seeds they sprout fine look good I have leaves but they do not look like the one at the store, referring to Home Depot Lowe's or Walmart. So what do I need to do to mine to get them to have lots of leaves and a short stem?
Put your light closer.
18 inches if using LED
Can u add more dirt for legginess ..and it will look shorter?
Add more dirt to make the stem more sturdy.
What about the exact opposite- when your plant is very short but sprouting a ton of leaves? I planted an AK47 seed on a whim, just to try it. I have zero growing experience. I have no real equipment and I dont expect a high yield or incredible potency, but I thought I would see what happens.
I planted my seed in a large cup-size planter. I used some organic potting soil I had sitting around. I set it on the windowsill and watered it once and waited. It sprouted a couple days later.
I planned on growing it in the sun, but here in the Pacific Northwest its been cloudy off and on and still too chilly. I have set it in the sun on sunny days and finished the combined 18 hours a day of light under a couple of 15 watt T8 aquarium fixtures i had lying around. I have also been using a small strip of weak aquarium LED’s on it.
My plant has not grown much in height. Literally only two inches. But its got two sets of healthy leaves, 4 more small leaves sprouting under those and two more sprouting out of the top. Its exciting, but shouldn’t the plant be taller? Will this hurt the plant or stunt it somehow? My lights are about 5 inches away from the top of the plant. The plant is about 10-11 days old, and a healthy green color. I have only watered it 2-3 times and i let the top soil get pretty dry before watering again.
Should i increase the space between my plant and my lights to get it to stretch more?
After 10-11 days, the amount of growth you have sounds like its about right on track. If youve watered 2 or 3 times already, you are likely overwatering the seedling, which will kill it faster than slightly underwatering will. As for the lights you have on it, lets say you have 40-45 watts aimed at it, that will be fine while it is in the seedling stage, but once it actively starts vegging, those lights wont be enough to get the full amount of growth that you will want.
Dex Wilson thanks for the reply. This was just a seed I have used as an experiment. My level of knowledge on the subject was almost zero. My water ph was high, and I tried adding some ferts way too early. The growth halted at about 4 inches, plant turned dark green then bottom set of leaves turned yellow then brown.
I used my ph reducer from my aquarium supplies and added no more ferts the next couple weeks. Plant grew after I switched to higher wattage bulbs. But one of the bulbs was an LED bulb that goes in a desk lamp, and I read the rating as “100 watt replacement” but it was only 15 watts, so that bulb plus the other were only 35 watts. I had the plant under this lighting for weeks, not knowing it was not enough. The plant did have plenty of open airflow and good temp in the house and a small fan giving it air.
I got tired of the slow growth- the plant was two months old and only 8 inches tall. Small white spots appeared on a few leaves, looked like leaf septoria but I have no idea, and the plant gets tons of airflow. I moved plant outside and growth definitely increased. Plant is now in a 3 gal bucket and is about 18 inches tall, from the top of the bucket to the top of the plant, and I finally have sets of new stems out of the growth nodes that are about 2 inches long and my main fan leaves on the main leaf sets are about 4 inches. Its so late now that I want to take it into flower. I still have problems with the very bottom sets of leaves slowly turning yellow and dying. I cannot tell if its Nitrogen burn or Nitrogen deficiency. I am such a noob and have no friends with experience to tell me. The plant is basically kind of lollipopping itself. Now n then I add a few ML of aquarium plant fertilizer because it does have small amounts of Nitrogen and Phosphorous and such. I know that is not the proper way to do it, but again, I am basically just using this as a learning experience.
sounds like it might be a nitrogen deficiency if the leaves are yellowing and falling off, nutrient burn tends to starts at the tips and work its way inwards with a burned/crispy appearance. As for moving it outside, might have been the better option. Hell, i wish i could grow outside, i live far enough in the country that im not worried about stealth (its still illegal here, go figure) but the issue here is that im in south-east texas, where humidity is constantly between 90-100% and the temps can get up to 110 in the summer, which is way too hot for outside growing. If it comes down to it, use it as a learning experience and cut your losses with this particular plant and start growing another one, it can sometimes take a few tries to get things right and learn the best ways to do things for your situation. One thing i did before i even started growing was to read through a bunch of different forum posts about different things and join some really good communities online since i have the same issue with a lot of friends that smoke, but none of them actually know how to grow anything. One of the best resources i found for information was the High Times grow journals, there are a lot of them on there that are first time growers that are figuring things out as they go with a lot of help and tips from more experienced growers.
If you do decide to cut your losses and grow new plants, your best bet might be to see if you can buy a half of schwag somewhere thats aight quality and harvest the seeds from that instead of spending 10 bucks a pop for high quality seeds. Genetics does play a role in the quality of the bud, but not as much as a lot of people seem to think, what makes schwag schwag is simply the fact that it is mass planted in a field somewhere with the minimum amount of care necessary to get it to a harvestable product.
Dex Wilson I have watched several vids on the subject now. The tips of the leaves do turn brown and crispy. I know I am not adding proper ferts and the plants need proper ratios, and I know they need flushings of pure water to get rid of salts and such. I have drain holes and i do flush it. Its taken a beating but its come back each time it got wilty or stunted. I have learned a lot. Thankfully, I live in WA state, and I did not have to pay for the seed. It was an accident in a bag of popcorn buds I bought at the local dispensary. Bud here is legal and cheap. For mids that are 22% thc its only about $3 a gram, and only 8-12 bucks a gram for top shelf. So I am just going to see how this plant goes. Space is not a problem, I buy my weed no problem. So, I am just curious how this plant goes with such little care and how little I can spend on it. If I decide to actually grow again and do it seriously, I know to ph my water, not to overwater, not to add ferts too early, add proper ferts for cannabis and use proper ratios, use proper wattage for indoor bulbs, etc. I definitely learned a ton. I know this plant would make a lot of experienced growers scream at how I treated it or what not, but I got the seed for free and used it as my learning curve. And even with all the mistreatment, I have an AK plant that made it and I am hoping its female. I have backed off with the lighting and I think its growing pistils. So I know the yield will be crummy since its only one main stalk and I did not top it, train it, etc, and the potency may not be great since my ferts are not made for this and I know the curing process after harvest is important too. But I will still have a small amount of cannabis that I grew myself and I think that’s pretty cool.
what about sun light,what if outdoor plants are leggy ??should put them under sun light ??
@Sponge Bob pruning a seedling?
@Sponge Bob oh I see. Ya for sure
How much is enough light? I started my basil seeds outside with about 4hrs of direct sunlight and it’s still leggy?
does it leggy now? I only have 2 hours light for my lettuce.
jin shark no , they are no longer leggy.. they turned out fine
@@edenmese4925 rhats great. only 4 hours?
I'm getting legginess and brown edges on my leaves. causes I can find are too much light and not enough light. Literally have no idea what to do..
They need light. Get a grow light
@@solarpony been using one.
What if it's in complete sunlight? None of these scenarios fit my leggings situation
you may still not be getting the right kind of light ie lots of morning light but no so much in the afternoon or vice versa
It also depends on if you're growing indoors. You might have full sun on your windowsill but the light is filtered and the plant isnt getting enough of the uv spectrum. I'm still trying to understand it all too
Best light is sunlight or led grow lights
I have so many questions. I need someone to talk to.
Bro same
What questions?
Same
what about lack of wind
That was mentioned in another video as it makes the seedlings stronger.
ty so much sir
Happy to help, Jomar!
You forgot about airflow.
Checl out my like videos. The gal explains it very well!🌱
So I ran out of water and I’ve been using my dogs piss as water and my plants have gotten huge. ...............they died
Leggings are such a pain on the butt to work with...I get so frustrated...😬😬😬😬😬😬
Thanks for your video....👍👍👍👍👍👍
Is that guy playing Galaga in the background?
So THAT'S what they're doing out there!
Funny Michael!!
Stand them up with tooth picks
Does that work?
What are your thoughts on using small blocks of the tower media for starting seeds? As seen here: ruclips.net/video/4XI9fKm92Ic/видео.html
Seeds and seedlings typically need a medium that holds moisture and buffers temp swings well. Not sure what he's using so we can't speak to it exactly, but true Matrix Media is over 90% air so it's not a great fit for proper germination because it doesn't hold moisture. Another question worth asking is how well does it grow once it's sprouted. Might be something to find examples of before investigating something like that.
you spent a 1/4 of the video redundantly revising the issue anyone already has, by clicking this link lol
can we move forward already? 2:28
Om growing carolina. Reapers
The best seeds is the seeds nobody can get thy hands on to crossbreed n fiddle with. Out there somewhere n nobody knows about.
Simply plant them in a pot with more soil.
Can i just add more soil on the pot with leggy seedling? Or is it necessary to repot it with more soil?
Alfonso Manuel Gonzales yea that’s what I do. Give yourself about a half inch from the beginning petals.
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Ur missing, leaves grow to fast
It is not about "getting enough light" it is about getting the right spectrum of light. Also they do not reach to get more light.. They reach for the blue of the sky. That is why they are compacted more or shorter inter nodes. So your information is good but the real reason is not balancing the light etc.. You can fix this by adding in a 460 nano-meter blue light.. Once the plant sees this blue, they will stop stretching. As far as the nitrogen goes.. Nitrate is what they use more specially as babies.. So I am not sure what your saying there.. Higher feed = more growth. More nitrate = more stretch or growth. Well in Cannabis that is. Just realized those are not pot plants haha
Tired of these dudes with leggy seedling. The reason why you get leggy seedlings is you give them too much light. There is no place in the world that is light 12 14 hours straight.except North Pole. Seedlings need 4-6 hours of light max till true leaves come.
I wonder if Santa gets leggy seedlings😉It's true that it's a common problem that can often be easily avoided. We just posted a new video today to help with propagation of new seedlings - ruclips.net/video/cKtDi3dQurk/видео.html