Nah if u watch that film they literally ran the same play essentially and they couldn’t stop it he called every play to counter it and our dline just couldn’t shed the blocks. Even on the last drive he called the right plays and they were out of position multiple times.
The play at 6:30 was caused by Q. Mitchell not knowing how to play the rolled up cornerback position on the cover 2 side of a quarter-quarter-half defense. In this case, he was supposed to get more depth to cover the "hole" shot, instead of worrying about the back flaring out to the flat. Did you notice Maddox yelling at him after the play was over?? It was a rookie mistake, which is why Atlanta kept picking on him on that drive.
I can make an argument for Pete Carroll passing on 1st and goal in the super bowl. Because the Seahawks were trailing and it was first down. I can't make an argument for this pass call with the lead on 3rd and 4 and your opponent has NO TIMEOUTS. There is no defending this.
This game could have gone many ways but isn’t Kellen Moore their play caller on that3rd down play? I feel the blame should be on him. Are we saying nick should have veto’ed the play call?
@ChangeHumanity Exactly! Although if Sirianni gave the go ahead - and the playbook's wide open, the actual call for the pass to Barkley was a great call (if executed). Look at the tight end in the replay!! He's even more wide open, could have sat down on his route and it would have been kiddie toss to him!
In this situation your opponent is the clock, not the Falcons so yeah you definitely run. Would take about six seconds to run the play and then you have another 40 seconds so 4th down would come with around a minute left in the game. You run a 4th down play whether that be a run or a fg and the clock is probably somewhere between 50 and 55 seconds. Sirianni is to blame.
Yeah he shouldn't have called the "drop the ball" play. Of course had Saquon dropped the ball on a run that would've been worse. But yeah Sirianni calls the "drop the ball" plays far too often.
Sirianni is by no means a bad coach, but he does seem to overestimate himself sometimes. Going for it on 4th down in Q1 when you have one of the best kickers in the league and passing late in the game rather than just having Barkley run it is ridiculous. He tried getting cute and that's what happens.
@@ChangeHumanity Kellen Moore 100% calls the play but Sirianni as head coach has final say about situational playcalling, whether you want to keep the ball on the ground and run the clock or air it out and go for points. Clock management is about the last thing that Sirianni is fully in control of on this team so while it's definitely possible that Moore called that play with no input from Sirianni, I find it hard to believe. They also had called a timeout prior to this play so they 100% had time to discuss the play call. If Sirianni didn't call or request the play but knew Moore was going to call it he should have definitely vetoed it.
I think the correct decision would have been to run the ball on 3rd down, and then on 4th you could try that pass if you wanted, or do a tush push. Throwing on 3rd down was the wrong call bc of the clock
My biggest problem with the game (as an Eagles fan) is after Saqoun dropped the pass on 3rd and 3. WHY NOT GO FOR IT ON 4th and 3!! You needed 3 yards for a FD or TD to ice the game. If you don’t get it. They have to go 95 yards and can kick a FG to tie. But if you’re up 6, they aren’t gonna kick a FG either way. So they had to go The length of the field and could send it to OT with a FG. While being up 6, they only have to go 75 yards and you lose with a TD either way… And if your going for it on third and 3 (by passing) and not killing another 35 seconds, then idk how the plan wouldn’t have been go for it on 4th.
Old guy here. Not a coach, and didn’t watch the game. If I was the coach or play caller for the Eagles, I would run the damn ball on 3rd down. Let the clock wind down. Then I would line up like I’m going for it on 4th down. Long count, try to draw them offsides Or hard count quick count and run the ball again, or let the play count run out, take the 5 yard penalty and kick the FG. I believe the object is drain the clock as much as possible.
9:23 why are the receivers going so deep. this is just like last year they go super deep and just need 3-4 yards so they can get a fg its silly we have not learned from last year and honestly if we went short passes we would have prolly gotten first down i mean we have been running well so why keep passing?
The call at the end was DEFINITELY wrong. Getting the field goal was WORSE than if they had run the ball twice and failed to get the first down. Because the field goal forced the Falcons to get a touchdown and gave them much better field position along with two much time on the clock. In fact, they shouldn’t have kicked the field goal at all. If a team needs three to tie, they’ll take fewer risks to get a field goal. But if they need four or more points, they’ll take bigger risks because anything else loses anyway. All the field goal did was force the Falcons to play bolder while giving them better field position.
I always hated the FG around the 2:00 mark that takes the lead from 3 to 6 pts for that reason. The opponent will be more aggressive knowing they need a TD and they have all 4 downs to work with. The defense knowing they need a TD will generally be more passive like the Eagles were there because they don't want to get beat over the top. Meanwhile they were conceding 15-20 yard passes. I would have ran 2 tush pushes on that last 3rd and 3 situation, the Eagles likely would have got the 1st down. Worst case scenario they're up 3 with the Falcons having the ball pinned inside their own 10 and around 55 seconds left. They have to be more cautious being in the shadow of their goalposts as opposed to starting at the 30. Field position has value.
Not taking the 3 is certainly worthy of criticism, but the PA rollout on 3rd down?? Absolutely not. He was wide open. All you gotta do is catch a soft pass and the game is over. No one says anything then lol. It’s just funny how people used to praise him for his aggressiveness, and now kill him over it
hes scared he flinches and never stays in pocket and just rolls out and only sees like 1/3 of field. philly has a hurt qb issue. when qb get hurt they dont seem to recover well in philly
How well did the NFL analytics work for the chargers the previous 3 years? Yes, going on the forth down could seal the game. But if you fail then all the falcons have to do is get to the 35 yard line instead of a touchdown with 60 seconds. Taking the field goal, you make the falcon need to go down the field with no timeouts and have to score. The falcons had 35 seconds left when they scored. If you run the clock out on 3rd, kick the field goal on 4th, the eagles win that game.
Saquon Barkley on average only catches around 70% of his targets... I don't blame Saquon for that - he is what he is at this point and some people just aren't good at catching - but coaches should know better than to take that gamble in that situation given the alternatives.
Yes Nick Sirianni is not a good coach. They made so far that one year due to great coordinators not because of him. He has all the talent in the world and he underperformed last year and is on pace for that this year. His offense is miles better than the falcons defense yet it was terrible
@@basicmeme1040 cam jurgens is a young player. Becton is good just constantly injured and graham is a good player I don’t know what you are talking about
The “prevent a win” defense from the 1990’s is DEAD …. Stop it already …. … Barkley should have caught the pass but the ball never should leave the hands of the offense …
Not for the 4th down call. Saquon dropped it. And as for the 3? To an extent, but that’s who he is!! Philly fans used to praise him for his aggressiveness, and now they hate him for it lol. They’ll blame him for anything just like they did Brian Johnson last year
I get where you're coming from but i'd have felt better if he stuck to his guns and went for it on 4th down after the botched play on 3rd. at that point the field goal only forced the falcons to be aggressive because they couldn't tie the game with a field goal of their own anymore, a TD was their only option. plus it left wayyyy too much time on the clock. taking the 3 points at the end felt like him covering his ass after he realised what had happened. I actually agree that him not kicking that first field goal didn't really matter. would have been nice to score first but i liked the aggression. I just wish he'd stuck with it at the end instead of changing his mind the one time he needed to go for it on 4th (or better yet he should have just run the ball on 3rd and run the clock down)
As an analytics guy. What are the win percentages if they ran the ball on 3rd vs the incomplete pass with time left? I can't imagine it'd be greater than 2 or 3 percent.
I don't like him, so it's his fault. Yes this is how it works, right? Saquon "Butterfingers" Barkely is whose fault it is. The second Eagles drive of the game is also to blame, where Saquon was gashing the Falcons defense until they got in the redzone and then he never touched the ball again on that drive, they ended up with a field goal. Why stop running it when they can't stop your rushing attack? Edit: because spell check thinks Saquon is actually spelled Sauna.
why would you ever throw it to the RUNNING BACK with 40 seconds left ☠️ the fact we’re telling the fucking EAGLES to run the ball shows how bad of a call this was.
Jalen Hurts has a Superman Syndrome. Jalen doesn't trust receivers & receivers don't trust Jalen. So, Jalen tries to be Superman by running. QB who thinks he's a RB
That Philly loss is not on the head coach. The blame should be squarely put on Saquon Barkley. He dropped a pass for a first down late in the game that gave the ball back to Atlanta
Except he has a reputation for dropping passes, so it goes back on the coaches for calling that play. They should have run the ball but tried being clever.
Stop it. When u throw, u risk shit like Barkley happening. If they ran it twice on both their downs, they most likely would’ve converted. There’s also the shitty prevent vanilla defense we saw from Fangio, and Hurts being a dummy by going for a deep pass when they still had a timeout at their own 43. This was a collective failure and I want a new qb and maybe even a new coach
It's a matter of risk/reward. He missed a catch the was equivalent of a wide open "jump shot." If you pass in these situations that is the risk you choose to take. I don't blame him for the entire loss though since we were still up 6 points after the FG and the D was nonexistent with no pressure on Cousins for that final drive.
@@mylesflores8248stop trolling lmfao. That pass would’ve been completed had smith and hurts been on the same page. Wasn’t even a bad decision by hurts more of a bad route wrong time by smitty
I blame Vic Fangio... the ol' bend AND break defense
Nah if u watch that film they literally ran the same play essentially and they couldn’t stop it he called every play to counter it and our dline just couldn’t shed the blocks. Even on the last drive he called the right plays and they were out of position multiple times.
Those safeties were in the Prevent like they were up by two touchdowns.
They’re supposed to be, our CBs just played too close Quinyon was out of position multiple times on that final drive
The play at 6:30 was caused by Q. Mitchell not knowing how to play the rolled up cornerback position on the cover 2 side of a quarter-quarter-half defense. In this case, he was supposed to get more depth to cover the "hole" shot, instead of worrying about the back flaring out to the flat. Did you notice Maddox yelling at him after the play was over?? It was a rookie mistake, which is why Atlanta kept picking on him on that drive.
I can make an argument for Pete Carroll passing on 1st and goal in the super bowl. Because the Seahawks were trailing and it was first down.
I can't make an argument for this pass call with the lead on 3rd and 4 and your opponent has NO TIMEOUTS. There is no defending this.
This game could have gone many ways but isn’t Kellen Moore their play caller on that3rd down play? I feel the blame should be on him. Are we saying nick should have veto’ed the play call?
@ChangeHumanity Exactly! Although if Sirianni gave the go ahead - and the playbook's wide open, the actual call for the pass to Barkley was a great call (if executed). Look at the tight end in the replay!! He's even more wide open, could have sat down on his route and it would have been kiddie toss to him!
In this situation your opponent is the clock, not the Falcons so yeah you definitely run. Would take about six seconds to run the play and then you have another 40 seconds so 4th down would come with around a minute left in the game. You run a 4th down play whether that be a run or a fg and the clock is probably somewhere between 50 and 55 seconds. Sirianni is to blame.
Yeah he shouldn't have called the "drop the ball" play. Of course had Saquon dropped the ball on a run that would've been worse. But yeah Sirianni calls the "drop the ball" plays far too often.
@@JonT1137 a fumble on a run would have been better for the eagles than an incomplete pass
@@JonT1137at least if he fumbled the clock would have kept running 😂
Sirianni is by no means a bad coach, but he does seem to overestimate himself sometimes. Going for it on 4th down in Q1 when you have one of the best kickers in the league and passing late in the game rather than just having Barkley run it is ridiculous. He tried getting cute and that's what happens.
But isn’t Kellen Moore calling that 3rd down play? I feel the blame should be on him. Are you saying nick should have veto’ed the play call?
@@ChangeHumanity Kellen Moore 100% calls the play but Sirianni as head coach has final say about situational playcalling, whether you want to keep the ball on the ground and run the clock or air it out and go for points. Clock management is about the last thing that Sirianni is fully in control of on this team so while it's definitely possible that Moore called that play with no input from Sirianni, I find it hard to believe. They also had called a timeout prior to this play so they 100% had time to discuss the play call. If Sirianni didn't call or request the play but knew Moore was going to call it he should have definitely vetoed it.
I think the correct decision would have been to run the ball on 3rd down, and then on 4th you could try that pass if you wanted, or do a tush push. Throwing on 3rd down was the wrong call bc of the clock
My biggest problem with the game (as an Eagles fan) is after Saqoun dropped the pass on 3rd and 3. WHY NOT GO FOR IT ON 4th and 3!! You needed 3 yards for a FD or TD to ice the game. If you don’t get it. They have to go 95 yards and can kick a FG to tie. But if you’re up 6, they aren’t gonna kick a FG either way. So they had to go The length of the field and could send it to OT with a FG. While being up 6, they only have to go 75 yards and you lose with a TD either way… And if your going for it on third and 3 (by passing) and not killing another 35 seconds, then idk how the plan wouldn’t have been go for it on 4th.
Yes... every time he yells at things the bad luck curse kicks in
Old guy here. Not a coach, and didn’t watch the game. If I was the coach or play caller for the Eagles, I would run the damn ball on 3rd down. Let the clock wind down. Then I would line up like I’m going for it on 4th down. Long count, try to draw them offsides Or hard count quick count and run the ball again, or let the play count run out, take the 5 yard penalty and kick the FG. I believe the object is drain the clock as much as possible.
That's a REALLY easy catch that would've ended the game.
It was still the wrong call. And its not that easy considering Saquan is known for drops.
When it works youre a genuis, when it fails you're all to blame.
Nah even if it succeeded I'd have called him an idiot for even risking it
Even if it worked it was an idiotic call considering the clock.
9:23 why are the receivers going so deep. this is just like last year they go super deep and just need 3-4 yards so they can get a fg its silly we have not learned from last year and honestly if we went short passes we would have prolly gotten first down i mean we have been running well so why keep passing?
The call at the end was DEFINITELY wrong. Getting the field goal was WORSE than if they had run the ball twice and failed to get the first down. Because the field goal forced the Falcons to get a touchdown and gave them much better field position along with two much time on the clock.
In fact, they shouldn’t have kicked the field goal at all. If a team needs three to tie, they’ll take fewer risks to get a field goal. But if they need four or more points, they’ll take bigger risks because anything else loses anyway. All the field goal did was force the Falcons to play bolder while giving them better field position.
I always hated the FG around the 2:00 mark that takes the lead from 3 to 6 pts for that reason. The opponent will be more aggressive knowing they need a TD and they have all 4 downs to work with. The defense knowing they need a TD will generally be more passive like the Eagles were there because they don't want to get beat over the top. Meanwhile they were conceding 15-20 yard passes. I would have ran 2 tush pushes on that last 3rd and 3 situation, the Eagles likely would have got the 1st down. Worst case scenario they're up 3 with the Falcons having the ball pinned inside their own 10 and around 55 seconds left. They have to be more cautious being in the shadow of their goalposts as opposed to starting at the 30. Field position has value.
Absolutely agree
Not taking the 3 is certainly worthy of criticism, but the PA rollout on 3rd down?? Absolutely not. He was wide open. All you gotta do is catch a soft pass and the game is over. No one says anything then lol. It’s just funny how people used to praise him for his aggressiveness, and now kill him over it
hes scared he flinches and never stays in pocket and just rolls out and only sees like 1/3 of field. philly has a hurt qb issue. when qb get hurt they dont seem to recover well in philly
@@dach829 This about Sirianni. Not the QB
100%
How well did the NFL analytics work for the chargers the previous 3 years? Yes, going on the forth down could seal the game. But if you fail then all the falcons have to do is get to the 35 yard line instead of a touchdown with 60 seconds. Taking the field goal, you make the falcon need to go down the field with no timeouts and have to score. The falcons had 35 seconds left when they scored. If you run the clock out on 3rd, kick the field goal on 4th, the eagles win that game.
I blame the Waterboy. If Barkley would've been properly hydrated, he would've caught that pigskin.
Saquon Barkley on average only catches around 70% of his targets...
I don't blame Saquon for that - he is what he is at this point and some people just aren't good at catching - but coaches should know better than to take that gamble in that situation given the alternatives.
Those are targets. They are not the same as dropping passes when defenders 2-3 yards away.
What % of his targets are THIS easy?
What’s his percentage on 3rd and 3’s with a stacked box??? Not any higher
Yes Nick Sirianni is not a good coach. They made so far that one year due to great coordinators not because of him. He has all the talent in the world and he underperformed last year and is on pace for that this year. His offense is miles better than the falcons defense yet it was terrible
Tbf they've made a lot out of poor talent
Mekhi becton cam jurgens brandon graham some of the corners
They've made a lot out of a little in some cases
@@basicmeme1040 cam jurgens is a young player. Becton is good just constantly injured and graham is a good player I don’t know what you are talking about
Kellen Moore deserves to be under that bus. He was horrible with the Chargers. He doesn’t deserve any sympathy if he can’t work with good talent
Should've run, then throw if they don't make any yards.
everybody blaming everyone BUT the falcons for that loss lmao makes so damn sense. FALCONS TOOK THAT WIN
Yeshhhh
The “prevent a win” defense from the 1990’s is DEAD …. Stop it already …. … Barkley should have caught the pass but the ball never should leave the hands of the offense …
Yes seriani is 100 percent at fault. He did the exact opposite of everything you would do to win a football game.
Defense was terrible thats the main reason.
Not for the 4th down call. Saquon dropped it. And as for the 3? To an extent, but that’s who he is!! Philly fans used to praise him for his aggressiveness, and now they hate him for it lol. They’ll blame him for anything just like they did Brian Johnson last year
I get where you're coming from but i'd have felt better if he stuck to his guns and went for it on 4th down after the botched play on 3rd. at that point the field goal only forced the falcons to be aggressive because they couldn't tie the game with a field goal of their own anymore, a TD was their only option. plus it left wayyyy too much time on the clock. taking the 3 points at the end felt like him covering his ass after he realised what had happened. I actually agree that him not kicking that first field goal didn't really matter. would have been nice to score first but i liked the aggression. I just wish he'd stuck with it at the end instead of changing his mind the one time he needed to go for it on 4th (or better yet he should have just run the ball on 3rd and run the clock down)
As an analytics guy. What are the win percentages if they ran the ball on 3rd vs the incomplete pass with time left? I can't imagine it'd be greater than 2 or 3 percent.
2% is huge
I don't like him, so it's his fault. Yes this is how it works, right? Saquon "Butterfingers" Barkely is whose fault it is. The second Eagles drive of the game is also to blame, where Saquon was gashing the Falcons defense until they got in the redzone and then he never touched the ball again on that drive, they ended up with a field goal. Why stop running it when they can't stop your rushing attack?
Edit: because spell check thinks Saquon is actually spelled Sauna.
why would you ever throw it to the RUNNING BACK with 40 seconds left ☠️ the fact we’re telling the fucking EAGLES to run the ball shows how bad of a call this was.
jalen’s gotta just audible out of these stupid ass calls
Jalen Hurts has a Superman Syndrome. Jalen doesn't trust receivers & receivers don't trust Jalen. So, Jalen tries to be Superman by running. QB who thinks he's a RB
??? Whenever he ran it he literally got 10+ yards
I'd replace Jalen Hurts with Nick Sirianni. Dude thinks he's some never-before-seen genius and outsmarted himself last night
That Philly loss is not on the head coach. The blame should be squarely put on Saquon Barkley. He dropped a pass for a first down late in the game that gave the ball back to Atlanta
Except he has a reputation for dropping passes, so it goes back on the coaches for calling that play. They should have run the ball but tried being clever.
Stop it. When u throw, u risk shit like Barkley happening. If they ran it twice on both their downs, they most likely would’ve converted. There’s also the shitty prevent vanilla defense we saw from Fangio, and Hurts being a dummy by going for a deep pass when they still had a timeout at their own 43. This was a collective failure and I want a new qb and maybe even a new coach
@@mylesflores8248 and the clock/atl no timeouts....that's why it's fundamentally stupid no excuse. Only being 3 yds was the icing on the cake
It's a matter of risk/reward. He missed a catch the was equivalent of a wide open "jump shot." If you pass in these situations that is the risk you choose to take. I don't blame him for the entire loss though since we were still up 6 points after the FG and the D was nonexistent with no pressure on Cousins for that final drive.
@@mylesflores8248stop trolling lmfao. That pass would’ve been completed had smith and hurts been on the same page. Wasn’t even a bad decision by hurts more of a bad route wrong time by smitty
yes…fraud
Mmm Barkley dropped it… right in the bread basket and the defense got walked down on after that.