Frazier and his sister are not experts on measuring the length of a package from their collective memories some 40 or 50 years later. Can you honestly describe a package that you may have seen 40 years later with great detail? Why would anyone in their right mind bring a package shaped like a rife to work knowing the President will be passing in front of the building today? Only the assassin would.
What i find interesting is the rifle found on the 6th floor had the strap attached. If oswald had broken the gun down to carry under his arm disguised as curtain rods why would the strap still be connected. If anything the sniper would remove this as it gets in the way...but if planted a rifle you might not think about the strap...
Rick Fountain oh congratulatlions another relevant point. that is correct,no mention nobody cash any money order,check or cash for that rifle. And a comunist trying be someone important and be recognize for the man who killed the president graciously declare "Im a patsi and I effaticly denay those charges" Looks someone angry but not guilty.
Eduardo Flores ALL TRUE THERE. I have first hand evidence from multiple extremely credible witnesses that know for a FACT JACK RUBY WAS SEEN WITH LBJ BEFORE THE SHOOTING
Oswald acts like someone who knows he didnt do it but also knows hes been set up by powerful forces and that there was nothing he would be able to do. Killing him is 100% proof of conspiracy
Why would he pickup curtains for a room he was renting? Did they ever check his rented room...if new curtain rods made sense? What if this coworker guy and his sister were influenced by someone to say the pkg was only about 2.5' long
@Led zep 4 1971 wow, can you not organize y your thoughts into a single comment? So, no I am not a Trump supporter. And if you are denouncing the findings of the Warren Commission that must mean you've one - read thr Warren report, and two - have incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. And by evidence of course, I mean documented by a reliable source, not some conspiracy driven youtube video.
The sister says that she saw LHO carrying a heavy brown package that was about 2 and 1/2 feet long. 2 1/2 feet equals 30 inches and the rifle stock was 34 7/8 inches long soooo it looks like her glancing at the package was off about 6 inches. Really easy to misjudge a length of an object from a short distance away. Buell Frazier was told that the package was “curtain rods” which of course were never found and the rods were not missing from Ruth Paine’s garage. The empty package was found near the sixth floor window but the “curtain rods” mysteriously vanished as if they never existed! Here’s your sign!!!
@captainkavern - You forgot about Roger Craig, the brave police officer who kept telling the truth about the Mauser that was found on the 6th floor. He was 2 feet from it & saw "MAUSER" on the barrel. I suppose he was one of the 100+ people who were proclaimed "mistaken" about what they eye-witnessed according to people sitting in their chairs wearing those suits in D.C., right? He even went on talk shows to tell the nation about it. There were probably TWO rifles up there .
Isn't there another video on this site in which a police officer or sheriff said he found a 7. Something slug? I haven't taken Any notes, I ought to be
@@johnrogan9420 heck, SOP bring a package and place it. This way normally everyone has plausible deniability. He wasn't carrying a rifle if it was less than 3ft...
Right, I think dude was paid to say that!! Who going to kill someone and picks up a witness to tell on them 🤣😂🤣 I mean he had no reason to know anything, why not put the gun in the trunk? You know you going to pick up someone who not in on his plans 🤷 doesn't make much sense to me
@@martyhorten3743 good catch! Like you say, Mr. Frazier’s sister said that the package was approximately two and a half feet long. Approximately could mean, I guess plus or minus that length. Wonder if they tested her ability to estimate several packages of various length and record the results? Sorry folks that package contained the rifle that later fired 3 shots at the motorcade. The same three shots that workers on the 5th floor (right below Lee Harvey Oswald) testified they heard. They were close enough that they weren’t confused by the shots echoing off nearby buildings and structures that other ear-witnesses honestly thought they heard. Police investigators never did find Oswald’s “curtain rods” in the book depository…but they did find Oswald’s rifle with his palm print on the stock. Conspiracies are certainly fun to play around with, but let’s stick with the facts. Again, good catch. Thanks.
@@martyhorten3743 And how could she be too exact if she had hardly seen it and from a distance? She's backing up her brother, Wesley. They have a reason to downplay the length of that package.
@@stephenstone7423 my opinion for what it's worth is if Oswald's alleged rifle was found with a live round in it then if he fired the fatal shot why would he cycle the action if he saw the final head shot?(second shooter?). So in essence he's firing and cycling the action and as he's loading round #4 he sees Kennedy has been head shot so he's done with his part so he pitches the rifle. As far as the Mafia being involved. Carlos Marcello was boss of Dallas and they say that you had to get permission from him to have a strip club/bar etc. and Ruby had two. Also Ruby and Oswald were seen in one of the clubs together, so they knew each other. Look up Bay of Pigs invasion. CIA involved with the Mob in that one. Kennedy failed to provide air support and pissed everybody off. FBI (Hoover) hated him, CIA and the Mob hated him. Draw your own conclusions.
This makes you think a cameraman was following LHO around that morning, really boiling water on the stove top, how much more do we need to see the cover up. And Wesley driving the route that he did on the 22nd, all staged for our consumption must have been the precursor to CNN
Oswald was involved but not the only one and he was deemed the one to take the fall because of his military, Soviet connections when he gave up his citizenship he was the perfect patsy he just didnt know he was
Yeah the Soviets are the most plausible conspiracy theory. It was covered up because it was an act of war. The Kennedys "let it go" to prevent nuclear war.
Oswald never gave up his citizenship..He was a false defector, he was recruited into the CIA when he was in the Marines and taught fluent Russian..(Not from a correspondence course).. He thought he was an informant and was being used to infiltrate Communist groups when he got back....
@@jamesgreenwood8952 that’s what they wanted you to believe..the Mafia, anti Castro Cubans and elements of the CIA wanted the US to invade Cuba and topple Castro in retaliation......
Frazier always said there was no way the package could have held a disassembled rifle. Oh and the Mauser disappears and there's a "reasonable" explanation.
Decorated Dep Roger Craig he saw the found rifle from 6" and it was marked Mauser 7.65 He refused to change his testimony under pressure from the WC and would not sign. .
@@meisievannancy He stuck to his phony story? Wow, good for him. He also said Oswald got into a car after the shooting, but we know that's doggy-doo, don't we? Yes, we do know it's doo-doo.
Actually, Frazier was extremely clear upon questioning that he had barely glanced at that package or at how Oswald was carrying it, which was well ahead of Frazier as Frazier was admittedly looking toward the rail yard. Frazier had a good reason to not want to have been the guy who drove an assassin carrying a rifle in a long slender package to the assassination place.
Frazier's account of the size is just wrong, either by accident or he intentionaly told them and for good reason, when a man you work with and got him his interview and gave rides to, kills the President of the U.S it's best to try and distance himself as much as he could from him.
He was grilled for hours in the station and then almost forced to sign a confession paper that implicates him.. He was 19 year old kid not that well educated but smart enough to know to not sign that paper.. if he signed it he would be sitting jail today. That proves how corrupted the cops were.. all the witnesses said the FBI..CIA. dallas cops were ruthless. Mean and forcing people to say this or that or else... Many of the witnesses were scared for their lives and didnt speak their whole lives for fear of their family
@@bluenetmarketing NO they did not and TSBD was intensively searched to find them. Plus pix that day of Oswald's room at rooming house show curtain rods with curtains already there. Also, the package was made from wrapping paper and tape used at the TSBD was found there.
The more I learn the more I believe that Oswald was a patsy- but EVERY piece of evidence contradicts itself- ie. The package was not long enough to be a rifle BUT Oswald didn't need a ride on Friday to spend the weekend with his family (like every other weekend) -and he left his wedding ring....
He and his mistress Judith Vary Baker were going to fly to Mexico. Lee was leaving his wife you see and so no, he was not going back to the Paine residence. This is also why he left his wedding ring at the house as well. However, he did know that JFK was to be assassinated on that Friday. However, he would not be the one doing the shooting . You have to figure the rest out for yourself. BTW, you can buy Judith's Vary Baker's book to learn more.
It seems more like any reason given for the idea he was a patsy of a conspiracy contradicts itself. LHO saying he was a patsy was the end of a sentence where he said the fact that he'd lived in the Soviet Union was the reason the cops took him. He said specifically he was a patsy of the cops; if he thought he had been set up by the "real killers", he never did bother to mention it at any time.
Oswald was a grunt Intel agent, first with ONI (Marines), then used as needed. The perfect type to dupe as he was...very expendable. Maybe other "Oswalds" in Florida & Chicago...both those attempts were scrubbed. Oswald was a "wannabe" who thought too much...his under cover assignment was to infiltrate this "cell", thus he played out that role (even the rifle part) - once the kill team was NOT busted with people arrested upstairs, he panicked. Not knowing who to trust or who would silence him.
You were clearly a screenwriter for Zoolander. Seriously, he was an “ONI agent????” You have no idea what’s up. He was a first-term enlisted Marine who did not reenlist because he was ‘unfit for duty.’ The LAST person who would screen to be ONI. Dope.
@@mikealoha3371 blows me away reading these conspiracy theory zealots..I don't get what's wrong with them. Low self esteem? Maybe it's a way of making them feel they know more than anybody else? Truly bizarre as well as these weirdo Q people. Pretty sad..
@@jamesdean8669 Assuming there was no conspiracy why aren't the files released? Lone nut assassin there is nothing to hide surely? Also the US has been petrified of Soviet Communism activity since the Cold War, so much so that Hollywood 'Celebrities' were hounded during the McArthy era! Do you believe a so called 'defector' would have been allowed back in the US? unless there was a need for a 'Patsy' Just asking?
The proof that Lee Oswald knew something was going to happen are two-fold: 1) He told Frazier not to pick him up for the weekend and 2) He left his wedding ring behind with some money for Marina. Rifle or no, an innocent man on a normal day to work certainly doesn't leave behind his wedding ring. He knew something was going down and he would be part of it. How fully Oswald was involved is certainly up for debate but surely he was involved to some extent.
People who fall for the idea that Oswald didn't shoot JFK mostly ones who never shot a rifle. The range was not even 100 yards which is generally the min range at a rifle range. I taken teens to the range they can group under 12" at 300 feet 100 yards in less then 30 minutes of bench rest shooting. Oswald had an easy shot and he didn't even have to lift the rifle only raise the barrel some to track JFK car driving away from him.
Bob,my thoughts exactly.I believe at some point during his questioning by the Dallas detectives he realized he was being set up to take the full blame.Hence his famous "I'm just a patsy" quote.
@@timberrr1126 You got a lot of stuff figured out but a lot of other stuff COMPLETELY wrong. Just a couple, Connelly had 4 wounds and they were not even close to being in a line, he had entrance wound at the back of the right armpit at a rather sharp downward angle exiting below right nipple, liking going into left thigh. Right wrist was shattered while holding his hat near the bottom of the window. 6) James Tauge was hit in the in the face under the triple underpass from a shot fired from 2nd floor of Dal-Tex Building. COMPLETELY different direction than any shots from grassy knoll.....I'll stop there....
The vast majority of people in the 60's smoked. I was born in 1952. It was nothing for a child of 10 years old to walk into a store and buy a pack or carton of cigarettes. At Christmas I would ask my mom what dad wanted for Christmas and she would say, "Just buy him a carton of cigarettes ($10. at the time)." I would buy them, wrap them up and give them to my dad Christmas morning.
When I was six to seven my uncle's would give me 25 cents. I'd walk to the store, purchase a pack of cigarettes for them. I'd have anywhere from 5 to 7 cents left over for myself. Wow did I clean up after four uncle's each week. Sometimes their friends would use my services also
As the two people were Interviewed I was thinking, "That's too small for Any rifle." In glad the video points out this issue. Again, I've never heard this before. Certainly not in Warren commission...
I think he was paid to say that, it doesn't make any sense to pick him up with the gun on the back seat!! Why not put it in the trunk so no one can see it 🤷 and why no one else seen him come in with the package? Just don't add up to me
It would have def been the rifle in that long slender package, even if they didn't want to be associated with helping the President's assassin get to work.
While LHO was on the 2nd floor with his coke he was thinking to himself "TGIF". Then the CIA, the FBI, and the DPD went and ruined his whole weekend. Especially his Sunday.
@captainkavern - MANY people heard the shot from the picket fence & several saw a puff of smoke with two guys pulling back into the parking lot area. A guy in FRONT of the picket fence shooter heard & felt the bullet whiz by & he hit the deck. He was a tourist from Canada & was filming the motorcade with his movie camera & a "cop with a gun" took his film away (missing evidence). Also missing is the LIMO, the head shot bullet, the bullet fragments from Connally, the Mauser, etc.
Now now Mr Arnold I think the witness name was. He was standing there taking pictures with his mothers video camera. A guy in police uniform came up and kicked him took the film. But Arnold was shipped out to Alaska in a few days because he was in the service. He was in uniform when this happened. He’s in the picture that Badge Man was in too.
@@ronmarvicsin7709 Yes, there were a lot of phoney Secret Service and cops in Dealey Plaza that day. People describe SS with suits but with dirty hands and fingernails etc.
I like how you said it was a Mauser. That is exactly what Officer Roger Craig read off the receiver until they got stuck with the story that it was a Carcano.
I can't understand some people. We are talking about CIA and conspiracy. They are so clever and they set up this riddle. Oswald was only a little piece of this immortal riddle. He was chosen because of his features.
That's absolute bullshit all the experts said Oswald was not agent material never had an extra dime to his name got no phone calls was a antisocial little arrogant asshole wouldn't even talk to his landlady.Agent my ass his crazy mother started that rumor.
he was in on it. who in the hell uses metric system in tx. in 1961 ??? nobody but a plant. payne women was also in on it. her husband worked for Bell Hellicopter. they had trillions to loose if kennedy pulled out of vietnam.
This is a distraction. Oswald didn't fire one shot. Check out James Files' interview. This video is old and was made before updated info was made known.
Agreed. Im convinced that Files is the Grassy Knoll shooter he's still alive and the government tried to kill him three times. I read both of his books and everything he says has been verified 100%. The teeth marks on bullet, the mercury bullet, the names of those involved like Rosselli, Nicoletti. He was Mob/CIA at the height when both criminals corporations were colloboratingg together on big level assassinations. Oswald was to be killed by Tippitt or brought to the Mob to be double crossed. He knew too much and if he wasn't to be double crossed and wasn't a patsy then why did Jack Ruby on the orders of the mob heads fire those fatal slugs into oswald in a police department basement of all places.
@@digitalsoldier3894 finally someone bringing facts to the table.. Thank You, nobody brings up James Files.. Personally the Italian Mafia,The American Mafia,The Corsican Mafia, C.I.A,Secret Service,Anti Castro,Big Oil, Big Business(WORLD BANKERS)and other branches of ours and foreign governments. Under one umbrella!!! THIS IS WHAT EISENHOWER'S WARNING WAS ABOUT
British Enfield Rifle found on the roof, coincidentally Frazier owned the same type of Rifle. 3 rifles found that day. If you do some research about Frazier you will find that he was threatened by Dallas police to help frame Oswald after his arrest. Whether willing or not the story of the brown paper bag emerged. Frazier's mother stated that Oswald was not carrying a large bag rather a small lunch sack. Authorities threatened to charge Frazier with the assassination because of the rifle found on the roof of the TSBD. Research it
The fact is, and I hate to say it, Oswald messed up when he left the Depository to go get his Jacket and revolver. Why would he do something like that if he wasn't involved in some way? Makes no sense at all because he was already seen by Truly and Baker, so he had eye witnesses that put him in the building. All he had to do is remain in the building in the presence of other employees. That way he could NEVER HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF KILLING OFFICER TIPPIT. And he would never have been arrested in the Texas Movie Theater. Don't you all see? History would have been ALTERED if he just stayed where he was. Why did he leave the building? That is the question! When asked, Oswald said he didn't think there would be any more work that day. WHAT??? That's a crock of shit. And anyway as an employee, you don't make a decision like that to just get up and leave. You wait like every other employee until your shift is over, or your boss, in this case Truly, TELLS YOU that you have permission to leave. And think about this, the president of the United States was just killed and shots came from the building YOU work in and what does Oswald do? Stick around like everyone else? No! This guy decides to leave and what does he do? He goes to his rooming house and gets a loaded revolver. Now whether Oswald shot at the president or killed Officer Tippit is not the question. The question is why did he do what he did after the assassination?? What he did was not normal. It convinces me Oswald was involved in the assassination in some way. Either he was part of it, or knew about it. But he knew something to make him do what he did. He is no innocent. I'm not saying he shot anyone, I'm just saying Oswald did not act in a rational manner, the way a totally innocent oblivious person would have acted. Either he was physically involved, which I doubt, or he knew what was going to happen and the people involved in it. Or else he just would have continued drinking his coke and mingled with other employees. Do you realize if he did do that, history would have been changed, and he could never have been accused of shooting Officer Tippit. 🔫
Good point, I don't think he was a shooter no witnesses saw him in that window & no employees saw him running down the stairs. That's an assumption & it's never been proven he was on the 6th floor. Just speculating if he was a shooter he had no way of knowing he was going to run into a policeman 90 seconds after the shooting on the 2nd floor lunchroom. Why would he be in such a hurry ?? Hindsight is 20/20. What if he stayed & didn't leave maybe history would be different & he might've not been arrested. Buell Frazier was arrested & a suspect on that friday. He said it was the longest day of his life. He was questioned by Captain Fritz & he tried to get Frazier to sign a confession he was part of a conspiracy to kill JFK. Frazier refused & then they hung it on Oswald.
@captainkavern - Oswald did all that stuff because he was UNDER COVER as an intel agent, being set up as the patsy all along. When you're under cover, you do as your "role" says to do and he was reporting all that to his handlers all along. He was waiting in the break room to hear about guys getting busted upstairs (and maybe a promotion). If he was the assassin, why would he "get away" by sitting around in the break room, rather than splitting out the back door? Explain that.
Oswald took orders from Hosty and passed information on to him 4 days before jfk s murder . That note was destroyed ? Therein lies the key to the conspiracy.
They did find the ‘curtain rods’ but they found the paper wrapping, with gun grease on it. Additionally, the package was never measured by the driver that morning.
He didnt drive him home EVERY fri....Guess how many times he would of given LHO a ride....4 or 5 times....LHO had only had the job there a little over a month.
If you're in the conspiracy camp, then this leads some credence to your view, but then you need to come up with an explanation how the gun got from Irving to the TSBD and planted to frame Oswald. I haven't heard any explanations of how that could be.
Now that's a good question folks! and I'm on Oswald's side as far as being accused of something and not convicted. You rarely ever hear anybody in these videos say the word "allegedly" before shot or killed..
I don't think Oswald brought a rifle or curtain rods into the TSBD. Jack Dougherty the first one to see Oswald that morning was sure he didn't see him carry a package. if he had curtain rods maybe he left it in Frazier's car. Bringing curtain rods into the bldg makes no sense.
Never ever heard this story about curtain rods. Maybe curtain rods is the part that was redacted even 50+ fucking years from JFK documents release to the public. 😱😱 Yea? You know the curtain rod stuff! 😂😂😂😂
Wow, that’s incredible. No one has ever been nervous on camera before and trying hard to get their words right. 😂😂😂😂🤣 nomagicbullets.wordpress.com/2018/11/05/55-reasons-to-accept-oswald-acted-alone/
It likely was rehearsed, and she may indeed have been reading it...they made an appointment with her to film her perspective. She knew to prepare for it.
Why would Buell Wesley Frazier need to "charge" his car, when he just took a 25 minute trip in his car?: I guess it was just a crappy old car, I suppose.
@@peterfraser9070 Ain't gonna have been an exit wound from the direction of the TSBD either then, is it? However, the doctors at Parkland did report an exit wound in the BACK of the head.
Buell Wesley Frazier was one of the most important witnesses in convicting Oswald, despite his testimony that the gun was only 2 1/2 feet long. The testimony was extremely effective in convicting Oswald. Funny that other employees who saw Oswald coming in the building, emphatically denied he was carrying anything.
BS. I assume you can name even ONE of Oswald's co-workers who testified that they actually saw Oswald enter the TSBD and that he was empty handed. You do know they found the empty package Oswald made in the TSBD, they found HIS rifle there, to Marina's horror the rifle WAS messing from the Paine's garage, yet they never found any curtain rods in the TSBD. P.S. I appreciate you using Oswald's very own words to "emphatically deny". Slick. OK - so name these co-workers.
Wesley Frazier sure was mistaken about the length of the package and the way Oswald carried it, because it contained the rifle which was 3 feet long and couldn’t be carried the way he described, his sister said Oswald carried it with bottom almost touching the floor. Frazier also told Bugliosi that he wasn’t paying much attention to Oswald who was walking around 50 feet ahead and he also told him the package could have protruded his body.
I think Frazier does not want anyone to believe he had anything to do with the assassination. So he is sticking to his story about the package being approx. 24 inches. There is no doubt Lee had a weapon wrapped in that paper. Frazier is no dummy he is sticking to his story, he knows that he could be accused of being an accomplice, if he told the truth and said the package was longer. Smart man Frazier.
Through all the speculation, crakpot theories, legitimate theories, shooting re-enactments, etc, one thing still remains: EVERY person/physician/etc that saw the wounds said the exit wound was in the back of the head, and that the throat wound was a point of entry. All the other stuff is for show. I doubt that EVERY doctor that was in Trauma Room One was lying. There was another shooter. There HAD to be.
Read testimony of Arnold Rowland who saw a man with rifle & scope at 6th floor West window of TSBD & another at the sniper's nest at East Window. Shots from West window fit the wounds to Gov. Connally
@Matt Pizzano The Zapruder film was heavily doctored. There is an orange blob added in front of Kennedy's head. When a surgeon says there was a baseball sized hole in the back of JFK's head, and the brain was spilling out onto the table, I believe him. The military 'autopsy' was a sham.
This is now half as old as the assasination of Franz Ferdinand, just a thought. But it is bothersome. How do you miss a gun in your car? I guess back then, men didn’t know curtains because their wives took care of that? Does a curtain rod have a wooden stock and a box of bullets?
@@BrisLS1 "How do you miss a gun in your car?" "Does a curtain rod have a wooden stock and a box of bullets?: Again, it was a wrapped-up package and Frasier didn't have x-ray eyes.
Did any of the geniuses that investigated this wink wink, ask the land lady for Oswald if he needed curtain rods in his room or had mentioned it? 90% chance she would know. Oswald seemed to be going through a pattern, of things that made him look like he had sympathy for Cuba? But yet didn't? The radio interview in New Orleans for example. He said when he was in Russia he was always under the protection of the US embassy, and then quickly corrected himself. Also when he was passing out those leaflets fair play for Cuba, He was the only member? But in a press conference after his arrest, Jack Ruby corrected the DA when he called it play fair with Cuba. How did Jack Ruby know that? Nobody else in the western hemisphere did. ha ha ha. Back to the land lady, she said a police car pulled up out front right after Oswald arrived and tooted his horn. toot toot. But Oswald ignored it. the police car had the #10 on the side. That was JD Tippit's car #. Why did JD Tippit come by Oswald's house? Why did Oswald go to a theater, and move to three different seats? Set there for a moment and then move and set by someone else? Was he trying to make contact with someone. I'll tell you why. Because Oswald was in the CIA.
Curtain rods were present in owsalds rooming house, he did not need any. No curtain rods were found at the book depoistory, there was something else inside the paper bag.. can you guess children ?
+Ronnie Bishop AND ,HERE YOU ARE.....OHHHH THE LIES YOU ARE TOLD....HELMERREENBURG.....ELMER....THIS MAN TRAINED WITH OSWALD...MARINA ALREADY LIVED WITH PAINES WHEN OSWALD SHOWED UP....RUTH PAINE WAS ALREADY TRAINING MARINA.... BUELL OFFER OSWALD RIDES TO AND FROM THE SCHOOL....RUMOURS WERE STARTED HERE THAT MARINA AND OSWALD WERE SEEN TOGETHER AROUND DALLAS....THEY STARTED CREATING THE COVER UP....THEIR COVER MAKES THEM LOOK LIKE FAILURES AND FOREIGNORS....SEE THEM AS THEY WERE....TRAINEEES....NEWBIES....THE TOWN OF IRVING IS A CIA COVER TOWN....THIS CAR IS LINKED TO THE CARS SEEN BY LEE BOWERS WHO WERE AT THE RAIL CARS SEEN UNLOADING CRATES WHO LATER TURN OUT TO BE CIA....HOBOS DRESSED AS CIA....OSWALD INFILTRATED THE CIA , BUELL WAS A SMUGGLER WHO DIDNT REALISE OSWALD WAS ANOTHER AGENT...ALSO....OSWALD WASNT HOME THAT MORNIMG AND RUTH PAINE ALSO SAID HE WASNT HOME THE NIGHT BEFORE.....OSWALD WAS IN FORT WORTH HOTEL WITH MARINA BUSTING ART AND JEWEL DEALERS...AKA SMUGGLERS ALSO....AFTER THIS NIGHT....OSWALD FAKE DIES AND MARINA BECOMES ANOTHER PERSON....ALL THE SMUGGLERS GO DOWN AND A COVER UP IS CREATED.....what I don't get is...why are all the lies....why mirror the shooting? I mean...were told a shooting with jfk and yet I see a smuggling operation covered up by some faction....they twist two stories together...obviously so the public doesn't see the truth....a presidential lie that protects the female Russian who tracks down art and jewel thieves and the man who tracks down weapons dealers...OR....MARINA WORKED FOR THE CIA AND KILLED JFK....OSWALD WAS OPERATING A SMUGGLING OPERATION....UNDERSTAND THE THEORY OF PROBABILITY...NOW....YOU HAVE TWO STORIES....HE WORKED FOR THEM OR HE WORKED FOR SOMBODY ELSE WHO WAS INVESTIGATING THE CIA....PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT CIA ,SEEM TO BE CIA ,AND THOSE WHO WERE CIA ,SEEM TO BE PEOPLE NOT CIA.....ITS CALLED MIRRORING....MOST PEOPLE USE THEIR LEFT SIDE OF THE BRAIN OR RIGHT SIDE OF THE BRAIN. I AM ONE OF THOSE FEW WHO USE BOTH SIDES AT ONCE....CAN USE LEFT SIDE TO SEE IN REVERSE AS AT THE SAME TIME ,USE THE RIGHT SIDE IN FORWARDS....I CALL IT MIRRORING...ITS BEING ABLE TO SEE LIFE AT THE SAME TIME, SEE IT FROM A MIRRORED POINT OF VIEW....ALOT OF TIMES...PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND MY SENTANCE STRUCTUREING...MY RIGHT HAND RIGHTS MIMICS MY LEFT HAND.....WHEN MY LEFT HAND WRITES IN REVERSE, MY RIGHT HAND MIMICS MY LEFT HAND FORWARDS....I AM NOT RIGHT HANDED....WHEN MY LEFT IS OCCUPIED ,MY RIGHT TAKES OVER AND WRITES CORRECTLY....ONE SIDE OF MY BRAIN CONTROLS THE BACKWARDS.. THE OTHER SIDE CONTROLS THE FORWARDS WHILE I OCCUPY THE NORMAL FORWARDS WITH THE OTHER SIDE....BEST WAY TO DISCRIBE IT IS....TAKE A FILM OF A REEL....LOOK AT BOTH SIDES ....ITS THE SAME AND YET IT ISNT....ITS A TYPE OF MIRRORING....TO ME, MIRRORING A CRIMESCENE IS SIMPLE....I THINK LIKE A MIRROR....MY TALENT IS A PHOTOGRAPHIC MIRROR.....WHY MOVE A BODY OR A CRIME SCENE IF YOU CAN JUST MIRROR IT ON FILM.....MAKE PEOPLE THINK THE ASSASSINATION TOOK PLACE ON ELM...FOR FOUR DAYS..... ONE VERSION OF THEORY IS JFK WAS IN A PARADE AND SHOT.....THE OTHER IS A MAN LEFT THE COURT HOUSE, GOT IN A LIMO AND AS THEY PULLED AWAY, WAS SLASHED. THE POINT IS,THE ZAPRUDER FILM IS A CREATED COVER UP.....WHAT YOU SEE IS A MIRRORED LIE....WHY ARE OLD CIA FILES BEING SHOWN AS OTHER IMAGES.....SO MANY QUESTIONS AND ALL I GET ARE LIES....
+Ronnie Bishop Some people just seem nervous and shifty in their interviews (lying?) like this Frazier guy, both of the Paynes etc. Other people seem very quick and sharp (truthtellers?) like James Files. Very interesting to look at body language, inflections etc in these interviews.
Ruby was brought in to shut oswald up. Which he did. Oswald was the sucker who got hit. I read he was really after Connelly. He probably was told to hit Connally. Jfk was also hit from the front. A doctor present at the initial exam of jfk held that truth in til the 90s. Which means jfk was hit from a shooter behind the picket fence and why so many people headed that way after the shooting.
@Tomaji69 Oswald said "They are arresting me because of the fact I lived in the soviet union, I am just a patsy" he didn't talk about being set up. He was lying by the way , he was arrested because of the Tippit murder.
The only "eyewitness" the Police used to 'identify' Oswald was the hysterical and scatter-brained Helen Markham. None of the other witnesses to the Tippit murder could positively identify Oswald. Warren Reynolds changed his i.d. answer after he had been threatened and nearly murdered[at first, Reynolds wouldn't i.d. Oswald, after surviving being shot in the head, he i.d.'ed Oswald]. Needless to say, there is no chain of evidence connecting Oswald to the commission of ANY crime, let alone the murders of Kennedy and Tippit.
Oswald was definitley innocent in the sense that he never pulled the trigger. He was a plant, a scapegoat, easily manipulated. They had clever doubles of this guy around the place. One of Osealds Handlers was George De Morenschildt, who a young Jackie Bouvier once called uncle George. Tippitt was set up to kill Oswald or bring him To be killed, its debatable who actually killed Tippitt. Mac Wallace was one of the sixth floor gunmen whose fingerprints where found, he was an LBJ hitman. James Files fired the Mercury ripped bullet the same time as rosselli in the dal tex building, both bullets striking kennedy at the same time. Files is adamant his bullet was the fatal one. His story was proven to be verified by everyone, he is still alive today
I agree your correct except for James Files, Bill Greer the driver finished JFK with an air operated gun firing an exploding pellet of shell fish toxin. Watch the Z film & watch the driver.
THE BLOKE WITH THE OVERALLS AND DIRTY FINGER NAILS IS THE BLOKE THAT HIT THE BRIDGE, HE SHOT FROM THE DRAIN PIT, HE HAD THE OVERALLS TO NOT GET THE CLOTHES DIRTY AND MAYBE HE CRAWLED IN THE PIPES.
Roger Craig, a Dallas Sheriff Deputy said that he was there when the gun was found. One of the cops there was a gun buff and said it looked like a Mauser. Then he said he went closer and saw it stamped on the gun, Mauser. There are videos of Walter Cronkite announcing for two or three days that it was a mauser, then changed it and said it was an Italian gun
I have a copy of the B&W film of Deputy Craig on DVD. He says he never got to touch it, but he was close enough to read what it said on the barrel; according to him, it said "7.65 Mauser". What's interesting, is that after that statement, Craig lost his job, shortly thereafter; followed by his house, and then his wife divorced him. He was subsequently found, sometime later, with what appeared to be an alcohol-induced suicide.... Yet through ALL of that, Craig REFUSED to recant his statement. Fascinating. While the motorcade route was published in the Dallas Morning News, 3 days earlier, it was SUPPOSED to go PAST Dealey Plaza, travelling down Main St. It wasn't until THE DAY BEFORE, that the route was changed to enter Dealey Plaza; it was changed by someone in the SecServ, and was NOT released publicly. So...how could Oswald have POSSIBLY known that? If OSWALD was waiting to shoot JFK, when the motorcade turned OFF Main, onto Houston (the base of the Dealey Plaza triangle), where Houston an Elm intersect, GUESS what building in ON THE CORNER; why, the TSBD of course! If Oswald was on the 6th floor, waiting to shoot JFK, once the limo commits to the turn, Oswald is as close, as he will EVER BE (at 20' ceilings, with 5 floors below him, he is no more than 120'--40 yards, shooting into an OPEN CAR! But rather than do that, he lets the limo COMPLETE the turn, pulling AWAY from him (as it increases distance and speed) and THEN starts shooting??🤔. Hardly. As there are SOME things ONLY gov't can do, regarding the last-minute motorcade change, SOMEBODY in the SecServ BROUGHT the mouse TO the cats!😳😲🤔🤢😟. And Oswald was NOT one of them. He didn't have the training, the experience, or the rifle/ammo, to make those shots. And of the expert shooters who did, in the 70s, both FBI and Marine Corps "ballistic surgeons", NONE of them could replicate that feat, as SINGLE shooters. And UNLIKE Oswald, they WERE trained, experienced, and "confirmed meat eaters", with MATCH-GRADE rifles/ammo; and THEY couldn't do it....There were TOO MANY shots, and they were TOO CLOSE TOGETHER, to be one shooter; and there's no getting around that, I'm sorry.😲🤔🤢😟. Three trained shooters, two shots each, at a MOVING target, with MATCH-GRADE weapons and ammo(?) IS doable; but not ONE man, with a surplus rifle/ammo, and less than average ability. You simply can't close the loop. And this is explained in detail, in Craig Roberts' "Killzone: A Sniper Looks at Dealey Plaza". If you want to study what the critics of the Warren Commission have said, might I offer the titles of Jim Garrison's "On the Trail of the Assassins", Dr. Charles Crenshaw's "Conspiracy of Silence", and Jim Marrs' "Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy". Anyone can buy into the official narrative; it's MADE for the masses to swallow. But thinking people have questions, and those questions can't be ignored and dismissed, by phrases like "conspiracy theory", and ad hominem attacks on the messenger. One has to be intellectually honest, and willing to follow uncomfortable facts to whatever conclusions you arrive at. In short, nothing is what we've been told; regarding this subject, and others, as well. Sad.
Jesse Curry did say Oswald got in a station wagon “ driven by a negro” must have gotten that from James Craig eye witness account of getting into light rambler driven by dark skinned male
There was media right there on the 6th floor when the Carcano was found and called a Mauser, considered as a generic name, basically, for a bolt-action rifle. The media immediately reported s Mauser and it was corrected afterwards. Big deal.
No, but they did find a highly expensive Minox camera which actual spies of the day used (Minox cameras have been featured in James Bond movies) in his belongings. And even though he was constantly around intelligence agents, he wasn't an intelligence agent, because reasons.
@@brianambrosemcmahon8531 Oh, well, the FBI just changed it from a Minox camera, to a Minox light meter on their inventory. So, they didn't explain it, just made it disappear.
Why would Oswald bring curtain rods to work? I'm not saying he shot kennedy, but its still a little suspicious if he's using them for his house and bringing them to work.
He got them from the house where his wife was staying to bring to his apartment in Oak Cliff, they did not live together but he visited on the weekend. They did find that he already had curtains in his room, He could have wanted to change them
@@rbhusana as it was a rooming house, it would be surely normal practice for the landlady to provide the curtain rods? However, there is a picture of the window in his room showing the curtain rod was bent.
You have this mixed up with something else. There were several prints on the boxes never matched to anyone, until a few years ago. One set matched Mac Wallace, who was the henchman for LBJ, working under direction of Ed Clark. Bet you never heard of these guys, right?
There were actually two rifles found...a more accurate Mauser..which later supposedly the owner of the building said was his..yes, the “Oswald” rifle had a scope, which was misaligned, also there is discrepancy whether it had a clip which would feed the bullets in rather than hand feeding them...after they realized that it was impossible for someone to hand feed the bullets in 6.5 seconds they backtracked and said it had a clip...also 3 bullet shells were all that were found and no other ammunition was found in Oswalds effects...odd that an assassin would only have 3 bullets and no stash of ammunition isn’t it?
@@alpha-omega2362 couple all that with the fact that he was firing at a moving target coupled with using a scoped rifle. Lucky if he got one hit, at best.
@@alanthevan Not only that, but he had to shoot through some tree limbs. Even though there were no leaves on the tree at that time of year, he still had to shoot through them.
@@MrMajikman1 And LHO would have had a far simpler shot if he'd fired at Kennedy as his car approached the SBD building...rather than as he was going away with obstacles like the tree and lamp post in the way .
@@nicknicely6315 Of course! He would have had a direct head shot from the front with NO obstructions in his way. But he chose a target moving away from him through obstructions? That dog don't hunt!
The Mod. 91/38 Carcano rifle that Oswald bough and allegedly used had a 21 inch barrel. Add the receiver mechanism onto that-assuming 7-8 inches for that section-and you have 28-29 inches or 2 1/2 feet that one of the witnesses mentioned. The stock was about the same length so disassembled they could easily fit into the package the witnesses noted. Outside of that, the rifle that Oswald bought was the firearm found at the TSBD on the 6th floor and ballistic tests showed the rifling matched that on the bullet that was found. All in all, pretty concrete evidence-but people who want to believe in some sort of conspiracy are going to continue believing in that regardless, it's like an article of Faith to them.
looked out the window with a 26" wrapped package and I said to myself, "I wonder what lee is doing with a 7.62...." If there was a point there I don't think you made it.
I highly recommend you read Frazier's book "Steering Truth: My Eternal Connection to JFK and Lee Harvey Oswald." He goes into detail the nightmare he and his family had to go through for many years starting that very day.
@@joinjen3854 Yes, it's kinda sad how he suddenly came up with this "I saw a man with a gun" story after all these years. Although, I do get why he wanted to play down the length of Oswald's package that morning.
@@dustyflair You ought to know that the wrapping paper was found in the sniper's nest, and it showed that there had been in a rifle in it and it had his prints on it. Better luck next time.
@@peterfraser9070 sir, show us ONE picture of the wrapper being found in the TSBD. Only a DRAWING exists of where it was found YET they had a canera crew up there within minutes.....
In my opinion; this man Frasier; and the Dallas Police: Concocted the story about the paper bag and all of that. Understandably; Fraiser was scared out of his mind-- because the cops were trying to force him to sign some kind of confession: To the killing of the President. But I believe that the "cooking up"; of this story; was his way of getting out- of the "accusations"; which were made against him. He also testified that he was standing on the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository- at the time the motorcade was going by: WHERE is he?! I don't see him in any of the photos/films! He is not a reliable witness. Every time you see this guy talking about 11/22/1963- his story is a little bit different 👎
oswald was definitely involved regardless, you can tell by one of the letters he sent to a person involved basically asking what was the plan and what he should do because he didn't want to move forward until he knew for sure, im sure he felt he was being set up given the nature of the deed. given how fast they "found" Oswald and weapon and then how sloppily he was guarded before his death and the fact how casual he said he was the patsy... im sure we know what his role was, patsy. scapegoat
Careful with choice of words. If someone sets you up to take the fall for a crime without your knowledge...the person set up (patsy) is not "involved." Oswald likely did was he was told to do (to make him look guilty) without knowing what was actually going to happen.
facts are: motorcade was running ten mins late oswald wud of been up in the snipers nest waiting he wudnt of known it was running late. think about it , he had to get the weapon all set up and ready and sit there and hope no one disturbed him . dont think so,
I find it interesting that both people said the package was appoxamently 2 1/2 feet long, one even said 26" . The rifle Oswald owned was 40" in length and was not a take-down model.
His rifle, when broken down measured aprox. 26 inches. The Mannlicher can easily assembled and disassembled with the use of a coin as a screw-driving devise.
@@autoad That is simply incorrect and can be easily verified. The longest piece when disassembled measured 34.8 inches. That's about 8-10 inches longer that the paper bag was, which is exactly what both witnesses observed.
@@achterlijkeidioten Wrong. The paper bag was 38 inches long and bore marks that matched the Carcano. In addition, the bag was found to contain fibers that matched those from the blanket it was wrapped in at Ruth Paine's house. Again, all you've read are pro-conspiracy books which have earned a reputation of being loaded with erroneous information.
@@autoad The longest piece when disassembled measured 34.8 inches, according to the WC. Not 26 like you said. Expert witnesses who testified before the WC have stated that the fibers could have come from the blanket, but not exclusively and did not preclude any other type of fabric. They also stated that no markings of any kind linked this rifle, any other rifle or any other instrument to the paper bag. This information is straight out of the WR, but people like you simply don't understand or ignore that.
@@achterlijkeidioten I stand corrected about the size of the rifle when broken down. Indeed, the length is 34.8 inches. You're parsing words when it comes to the fibers. The fibers were consistent with the fibers from the blanket at the Paine house. It was possible but improbable they came from a different blanket. The size of the bag was sufficient to have carried the Mannlicher and it had LHO's finger and palm print on them. In addition, two people saw him carrying a bag to work and LHO said they contained curtain rods. However, when questioned by police, Oswald said he didn't carry a bag to work that day and a search of the TSBD did not uncover any curtain rods. Furthermore, the Mannlicher that was owned by Oswald was found on the 6th floor of the TSBD and it was conclusively and irrefutably shown to be THE rifle that killed JFK to the exclusion of all other rifles in the world. You can cherry-pick tiny bits and pieces of evidence and present them in a manner that suggests Oswald didn't shoot the president. But when all of the scientific, measurable evidence; ballistic, medical, forensic and physical are examined along with the actions, movements and statements made by LHO, he is guilty of being the assassin of JFK.
The CIA has refused to release "all" of their material related to the assassination. Blatantly ignoring a "law" that required them to do so in 2017. The D.C. Cartel protect themselves at any cost.
@captainkavern YES, he was carrying the rifle - in his role as undercover intel agent just doing his job. He would have been a hero if he wasn't being duped all along! Who was THE shooter up there?...maybe Mac Wallace, maybe someone else. There was ANOTHER rifle up there too...a Mauser. So, there may have been TWO shooters up there & one at the picket fence (obviously) & one or more in the Dal-Tex building. Look at MISSING evidence! The LIMO for example! The head shot bullet, etc.
Good reply. Very few people know about Max Wallace and his finger print being in the snipers nest. I’ve always thought the way they got the rifle up to the sixth floor was they were putting in a new floor on the sixth floor. It would have been easy to hide the rifle within sone boards. Or broken down
@@ronmarvicsin7709 Correct. Also a native American was with Wallace, his name is out there ( I forget). Wallace had killed at least twice for LBJ before. He was found guilty of first degree murder of LBJ's sisiter's boyfriend, and given probation!! The LBJ got him a security clearance and a high paid job.
@@tonyc7301 I saw the computer reenactment of the shooting, all the bullet angles came from the window of the TSBD. No grassy knoll tin hat conspiracy.
Shot #1 missed everything. Neck shot from the FRONT. Back hit to JFK. Connally was hit. Curb was hit. Windshield was hit. Trim above windshield also hit. Head shot...let's see, how many is that? Oh, but the limo being scrubbed & restored doesn't mean anything, right? Wake up and open your mind a little...give your ego a rest and breathe into the WHOLE truth...if it was an op, it won't be "easy" to figure it out...apply yourself.
It does seem odd that the limo was rushed off to be cleaned up when it was a piece of evidence in the crime scene. I realize that what I am saying isn't proof of anything but it does seem really strange.
You missed the testimony of Virgie Rachley (aka Mrs Baker) who saw sparks from a shot that hit the road in front of Limo. This could have been the bullet that went on to hit the kerb & wound Tague near overpass or it could have been a separate shot. Rackley only heard 3 shots.
Google Friday November 22, 1963.It's a PDF and well worth the read.And though we will all interpret the evidence diferently, we have to undestand that evidence was ignored and some not considered pertinant. A Richie Valens tune comes to mind,Framed.Where were you on the night of july 29th.Bet your answer doesn't match with those you were with.Individual perspective's of an event are very often conflicting and the truth is elusive.Flame on.
"evidence was ignored and some not considered pertinant": Bullshit evidence was ignored. I like "Framed", and the Cheech n' Chong version's pretty good too.
the drab bulk of the TSBD "looms" up etc etc. Actually, the TSBD is a very elegant building, love the different angles of the bricks around the windows of the 6th floor. Frankly, I love that building much more than the boring, soulless concrete monsters around it. One good thing that came out of the tragic assassination and coup d'Etat that took place is that the TSBD is still there, where otherwise, it would have been the same dull and boring concrete buildings by now, should that assassination not have taken place, or somewhere else.
I guess it's because it's just the decorative facade added tot he front of the building that makes it look better than the other drab sides of the building. The part about the Coup d'état was kind of a bizarre "I"ve watched the movie 'JFK' a few too many times" thing to say, it seems.
better description of the package and doubts of it being a rifle, from Wesley years later found here on You Tube by searching for Wesley Buell Frazier. RUclips won't let me put the link here
Read testimony of Buell's sister, Linnie Mae Randle, who had clear view of package when LHO arrived. It was 3 and a half feet long (42 inches) not 2 feet. Buell didn't get a very good look at package & was more than 200 yards behind LHO when he got to loading dock door of LHO.
@@buailebawns2162 how did he not get a good look it was in the back seat for the ride? Also, Oswald got out first ahead of Frazier while he “charged the battery” in his car. He said cupped bottom in his hand didn’t go above should Lee was 5’”11 170-175lbs He was also 5’8” with muddier skin than a hispanic Domingo Benevides and curly black hair that had not been cut in a couple weeks and average weight not slender until brother Eddie Benevides was murdered for no reason because he looked like Domingo. Then he said Oswald was the person he saw and moved to Nevada Tippit was murdered between 1:04 and 1:07 its on wikipedia and TW Bowley got on police radio after Benevides could figure it out and saw shooting ducked in car a minute or two and Bowley said people gathered around it was 1:10 when he looked at his watch when he called operator
All you conspiracy geeks out there please answer this question. Why did LHO wrap plain ordinary curtain rods in heavy wrapping paper too take from Mrs. Paines home too his boarding room? Curtain rods were never found in the TSBD and his boarding house room already had curtain rods. Don’t you all think that LHO was sneaking his rifle into the building and using the curtain rod story as a red herring! By the way, Ruth Paine testified too the Warren Commission that she had some curtain rods in her garage but they were still in the garage when the Police searched the home for evidence!!!
That's an interesting story. How do you come to grips with the different factions who have different opinions about what Oswald did, or didn't do, on Nov. 22nd? Some say Oswald fired one of the shots. Some say was in the TSBD but didn't fire any shots and others say Oswald wasn't in the TSBD when JFK drove by? Which of these different opinions are correct? Obviously all of them cannot be correct simultaneously. How do you address the myriad differences in the pro-conspiracy community?
There were 9 shots. Kennedy was hit 4 times. All bullets did not exit. Connelly was hit twice and one bullet never extracted from his leg. Connally buried with his leg bullet. Source: Orlando Sentinel, July 17, 1993 Washington Post, July 18, 1993 TOTALS 4 rounds hit JFK, 2 in the head, 2 in body 2 rounds hits Connelly in wrist and leg 2 rounds miss hit road, curb. 1 .45 round hits grass 1st Bullet fired from DAL TEX building ricochets off road to hit chrome windshield frame leaving big dent. Picture available. 1st Bullet fragments enters Connally wrist and the leather seat. 2nd Bullet Hits Connally in back ends up in his leg. Possibly from Malcolm Wallace TBD 6Th floor or DAL TEX BUILDING. Malcolm Wallace fingerprints were found on a TBD box and stored for years. This was Oswald’s alleged position. Oswald seen having lunch on a 4th fl, lower floor at 12:25 and 12:32 3. Rear entry JFK back from 6th floor TBD. Short shot” Bullet does not exit. Bullet lodged atop his lung. By medical technician at Bethesda. Where bullet is-unknown. Rifle is Carcano possibly. 4 & 5 The 2 bullets that hit Connelly were separate from any JFK bullets. It had to come from a high rear building from 20 degrees or more. Perhaps rooftop shot from DAL TEX building. Bullets never extracted from Connally. Source: Orlando Sentinel, July 17, 1993 6. Rear entry 5.56mm lower skull or high neck. This bullet came from rear following car by Agent Hickey when he lost his balance while retrieving a locked and loaded AR15 from the limo floor. He accidentally hit Kennedy at a 8 degree from horizontal angle while his thumb unlocked the rifle Agent Hickey unlocked the rifle with his thumb as he picked it up. His thumb rests on the locking arm. As the car lurched forward, he pressed the trigger and hit JFK. A lurch forward will drive his finger backward to fire unintentionally. The book “Mortal Error” explains this accident. As he swiveled his body to the rear, this puts force on the trigger finger during this motion. Also he is under stress. He is losing his balance. Also, he was standing on the sloping rear seat. He lost his balance as he turned around to point at the shooter. Try standing on a rear seat while a car accelerates. The Agents around Hickey went into cover up mode at the Parkland hospital storm drain. This guilt by Agents cause them to cancel the autopsy and quickly get the body out of Texas. The 6th floor shots were from a higher angle, likely 20 degrees--go look it up. Read “Mortal Error” ruclips.net/video/sDYNMlXD59o/видео.html 7. Bullet from Grassey Knoll misses and hits grass or curb, chipping the curb and chip wounds a bystander’s cheek. Witness of bullet hitting left lane of Elm St, Royce Skelton, see his testimony below. Smoke from knoll seen by Richard C Dodd: ruclips.net/video/YODZyI2qRMw/видео.html 8. Missed .45 Caliber bullet, "grass tunnel shot" near manhole on South side of Elm St. From North Side of Elm St. 9. Entry high right front hairline 25 feet from the STORM DRAIN. Shooter is Johnny Roselli according to mobster interview-see below. Shooter escaped through huge storm drain to point west of overpass. Probably using a scoped pistol such as Remington x-100 .221 varmiter round. The .223 round not available quite yet for this pistol in 1963. Bullet is explosive since round is high speed 3200 fps from this scoped 11' barrel pistol. TOTALS 4 rounds hit JFK, 2 in the head, 2 in body 2 rounds hits Connelly in wrist and leg 2 rounds miss hit road, curb. 1 round tunnels under grass southside of Elm TOTAL 9 shots P C Price said he heard 5 shots ruclips.net/video/7Qab4GI2agc/видео.html Witnesses to the shooting. At least one was murdered. ruclips.net/video/mJCCW7R2bZU/видео.html . The photo has not been altered or airbrushed. I will explain why. Firstly, his wife took the shot. The problem is the nose shadow, it falls straight down on his face to his upper lip. But the leg shadows show the sun to be creating angled shadows. So why don't the leg shadows and the nose shadows match? This is because the nose shadow falls on a face/head which is TILTED. This realigns the shadow to make it look like it is going straight down TO THE GROUND.. But it isn't. The head has been tilted so now the shadow has a new position which is straight down ON HIS FACE, BUT NOT STRAIGHT DOWN COMPARED TO THE LEG SHADOWS. It is like moving the dial of a wristwatch instead of the hands of the wristwatch to reset the time. The nose shadow goes straight down ON HIS FACE. But HIS FACE IS TILTED about 10 degrees. Therefore, his FACE RE-FIGURES THE LOGIC OF THE SHADOW. Explained another way, The nose shadow is not 90 degree perpendicular to the ground, it is aligned with his NOSE, and his NOSE and face are TILTED ABOUT 10 DEGREES. The reason this confuses viewers is because they think of his face/head as being straight up perpendicular with THE GROUND. IT ISN'T. THE HEAD IS TILTED. IF THE HEAD WERE PERFECTLY PERPENDICULAR WITH THE GROUND, the nose shadow would be angled about 10 degrees across his upper lip, similar to the shadows on the ground in back of his legs. BUT HIS HEAD IS TILTED. This makes the nose shadow go straight down his face, a face which is tilted! Get it? ruclips.net/video/tcKQDkVYBe0/видео.html Military bullets like the carcano do not fragment because they are too slow and their copper jacket too thick. Military Exception is .223 AR-15 round at 3600fps-very fast Proof here ruclips.net/user/shortsUItPlfZpxuw?feature=share *SOUND TAPE OF SHOTS* ruclips.net/video/LA4zSZC9mIQ/видео.html At least 4 shots fired IMPOSSIBLE SHOTS FROM CARCANO RIFLE ruclips.net/video/qSWSgcuYqDo/видео.html *CONNALLY STATEMENT* ruclips.net/video/hSKcOoQH8bc/видео.html *ROYCE SKELTON* Saw pavement shots from overpass. First shot from left rear of car pavement Saw shot to left Lane of Elm st chipped pavement to Tague cheek. From Fence. He is employee of rail yard. GOOGLE: Nebula.wsimg.com page 158 Copied: “39 ROYCE SKELTON: eyewitness on the railway triple overpass “I was standing on top of the train trestle where it crosses Elm Street with Austin Miller...I heard something which I thought was fireworks. I saw something hit the pavement at the left rear of the car, then the car got in the right hand lane and I heard two more shots...I then heard another shot and saw the bullet hit the pavement. The concrete was knocked to the South away from the car. It hit in the left or middle lane.” HSCA Vol. 2, p. 538.” *SECRET SERVICE SEES TWO HEAD HOLES* Sees rear head bullet hole; and big hole in rear of head. ruclips.net/video/4WKpHQkHpXo/видео.html *JFK HIT FROM RIGHT FRONT* ruclips.net/video/WHvfDijnASM/видео.html *LEE HARVEY OSWALD WAS BORN IN RUSSIA* He had an imposter mother by the name Marguerite Oswald LEE HARVEY HAD A look a like IMPOSTER BY THE NAME OF LEE OSWALD. They both shared the same friends Went to the same high school Both were Marines Same radar school ruclips.net/video/M5MQsS6Ec8w/видео.html . *PICTURE OF SMOKE IN TREES* ruclips.net/video/HEq63vTOwcI/видео.html *BULLET FOUND IN GRASS* ruclips.net/video/UtFoPCKVp-8/видео.html *MOB DID IT-Gianni Russo* ruclips.net/video/k-Pi0HtNlzk/видео.html Complete explanation. Johnny Roselli was shooter in Storm Drain Dorothy Killgallen was 72 person killed *MOB DID IT* ruclips.net/video/Mka4Reeh4Bw/видео.html .u.3.
@@timberrr1126 You're a total sucker if you buy into all that "Mortal Error" and especially the devious, lie-ridden book, Rush to Judgement - and so many others. Those authors are just taking advantage of gullible people.
Frazier and his sister are not experts on measuring the length of a package from their collective memories some 40 or 50 years later. Can you honestly describe a package that you may have seen 40 years later with great detail? Why would anyone in their right mind bring a package shaped like a rife to work knowing the President will be passing in front of the building today? Only the assassin would.
Never seen this film before, thanks very much for posting.
HAVE YOU EVER NOTICED, JUST HOW WELL SPOKEN, PEOPLE WERE BACK THEN ???
Yes I remember
Yeah....Before everyone started speaking like Trump! 🤣
@@rick7972 Jesus Christ, dude. 🙄
@@chrisman3965 Yes, every time I meet someone whose hero is Trump, I say “Jesus Christ!!” ruclips.net/video/UdQYaBFBUoc/видео.html
Right. Almost as if reading their answer from a printed page.
What i find interesting is the rifle found on the 6th floor had the strap attached. If oswald had broken the gun down to carry under his arm disguised as curtain rods why would the strap still be connected. If anything the sniper would remove this as it gets in the way...but if planted a rifle you might not think about the strap...
Rick Fountain oh congratulatlions another relevant point. that is correct,no mention nobody cash any money order,check or cash for that rifle. And a comunist trying be someone important and be recognize for the man who killed the president graciously declare "Im a patsi and I effaticly denay those charges" Looks someone angry but not guilty.
Eduardo Flores ALL TRUE THERE. I have first hand evidence from multiple extremely credible witnesses that know for a FACT JACK RUBY WAS SEEN WITH LBJ BEFORE THE SHOOTING
Oswald acts like someone who knows he didnt do it but also knows hes been set up by powerful forces and that there was nothing he would be able to do. Killing him is 100% proof of conspiracy
Also that Italian pea shooter could not brake down to 26 inches.
Why would he pickup curtains for a room he was renting? Did they ever check his rented room...if new curtain rods made sense?
What if this coworker guy and his sister were influenced by someone to say the pkg was only about 2.5' long
Always amazes me that photos, footage and info still crop up so many years later.
@Led zep 4 1971 it always amazes me that with the mountain of documented evidence against Oswald that people can still insist he's innocent.
@Led zep 4 1971 No.
@Led zep 4 1971 really, I'm "one of the most idiotic brainwashed goofball on Earth"? You know me well enough to summize me like that, do you? Haha!
@Led zep 4 1971 why do you think Oswald was a patsy?
@Led zep 4 1971 wow, can you not organize y your thoughts into a single comment? So, no I am not a Trump supporter.
And if you are denouncing the findings of the Warren Commission that must mean you've one - read thr Warren report, and two - have incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. And by evidence of course, I mean documented by a reliable source, not some conspiracy driven youtube video.
The music sounds like something out of Twilight Zone.
Or the invaders!!!
The sister says that she saw LHO carrying a heavy brown package that was about 2 and 1/2 feet long. 2 1/2 feet equals 30 inches and the rifle stock was 34 7/8 inches long soooo it looks like her glancing at the package was off about 6 inches. Really easy to misjudge a length of an object from a short distance away. Buell Frazier was told that the package was “curtain rods” which of course were never found and the rods were not missing from Ruth Paine’s garage. The empty package was found near the sixth floor window but the “curtain rods” mysteriously vanished as if they never existed! Here’s your sign!!!
The package was 38 inches long.
@captainkavern - You forgot about Roger Craig, the brave police officer who kept telling the truth about the Mauser that was found on the 6th floor. He was 2 feet from it & saw "MAUSER" on the barrel. I suppose he was one of the 100+ people who were proclaimed "mistaken" about what they eye-witnessed according to people sitting in their chairs wearing those suits in D.C., right? He even went on talk shows to tell the nation about it. There were probably TWO rifles up there .
Oswald rifle was to frame him.
That is a bulkshit story from a proven liar.He. oulnt read that from 2 ft anyway if he got that close.
Isn't there another video on this site in which a police officer or sheriff said he found a 7. Something slug? I haven't taken Any notes, I ought to be
@@johnrogan9420 heck, SOP bring a package and place it. This way normally everyone has plausible deniability. He wasn't carrying a rifle if it was less than 3ft...
Right, I think dude was paid to say that!! Who going to kill someone and picks up a witness to tell on them 🤣😂🤣 I mean he had no reason to know anything, why not put the gun in the trunk? You know you going to pick up someone who not in on his plans 🤷 doesn't make much sense to me
Funny how no curtain rods were ever found, must have been something else in that brown paper bag
Good point. Something else, like a rifle.
They weren’t because he already had them in his room ffs,that was a ruse…
How did she notice an exact 26" rods??
30" to be exact. She stated 2 1/2'.
Yea that seems a little short even for a carbine of that time...
@@martyhorten3743 good catch! Like you say, Mr. Frazier’s sister said that the package was approximately two and a half feet long. Approximately could mean, I guess plus or minus that length. Wonder if they tested her ability to estimate several packages of various length and record the results? Sorry folks that package contained the rifle that later fired 3 shots at the motorcade. The same three shots that workers on the 5th floor (right below Lee Harvey Oswald) testified they heard. They were close enough that they weren’t confused by the shots echoing off nearby buildings and structures that other ear-witnesses honestly thought they heard. Police investigators never did find Oswald’s “curtain rods” in the book depository…but they did find Oswald’s rifle with his palm print on the stock. Conspiracies are certainly fun to play around with, but let’s stick with the facts. Again, good catch. Thanks.
@@martyhorten3743 And how could she be too exact if she had hardly seen it and from a distance? She's backing up her brother, Wesley. They have a reason to downplay the length of that package.
Very interesting> I've seen a lot of JFK Assassination material but never this footage nice video post.
Thanks!
But why hasnt everyone seen it.
@DC PARODIES
Why do people still argue over who fired the fatal shot. Some say Oswald some say the Mafia?
@@stephenstone7423 my opinion for what it's worth is if Oswald's alleged rifle was found with a live round in it then if he fired the fatal shot why would he cycle the action if he saw the final head shot?(second shooter?). So in essence he's firing and cycling the action and as he's loading round #4 he sees Kennedy has been head shot so he's done with his part so he pitches the rifle. As far as the Mafia being involved. Carlos Marcello was boss of Dallas and they say that you had to get permission from him to have a strip club/bar etc. and Ruby had two. Also Ruby and Oswald were seen in one of the clubs together, so they knew each other. Look up Bay of Pigs invasion. CIA involved with the Mob in that one. Kennedy failed to provide air support and pissed everybody off. FBI (Hoover) hated him, CIA and the Mob hated him. Draw your own conclusions.
This makes you think a cameraman was following LHO around that morning, really boiling water on the stove top, how much more do we need to see the cover up. And Wesley driving the route that he did on the 22nd, all staged for our consumption must have been the precursor to CNN
@@seapilot4042 yeah they just forgot to tell him and his sister to say the package was longer to correspond to the rifle stock.
Great rare vintage footage!
Love the music.
Oswald was involved but not the only one and he was deemed the one to take the fall because of his military, Soviet connections when he gave up his citizenship he was the perfect patsy he just didnt know he was
Yeah the Soviets are the most plausible conspiracy theory. It was covered up because it was an act of war. The Kennedys "let it go" to prevent nuclear war.
Oswald never gave up his citizenship..He was a false defector, he was recruited into the CIA when he was in the Marines and taught fluent Russian..(Not from a correspondence course).. He thought he was an informant and was being used to infiltrate Communist groups when he got back....
@@jamesgreenwood8952 that’s what they wanted you to believe..the Mafia, anti Castro Cubans and elements of the CIA wanted the US to invade Cuba and topple Castro in retaliation......
@@alpha-omega2362yourright I forgot about that aspect too
Frazier always said there was no way the package could have held a disassembled rifle. Oh and the Mauser disappears and there's a "reasonable" explanation.
Fraser was wrong either unintentionally or intentionally, and haven't you heard? There was NO Mauser.
Decorated Dep Roger Craig he saw the found rifle from 6" and it was marked Mauser 7.65 He refused to change his testimony under pressure from the WC and would not sign. .
@@meisievannancy He stuck to his phony story? Wow, good for him. He also said Oswald got into a car after the shooting, but we know that's doggy-doo, don't we? Yes, we do know it's doo-doo.
Actually, Frazier was extremely clear upon questioning that he had barely glanced at that package or at how Oswald was carrying it, which was well ahead of Frazier as Frazier was admittedly looking toward the rail yard.
Frazier had a good reason to not want to have been the guy who drove an assassin carrying a rifle in a long slender package to the assassination place.
I believe this was from the documentary FOUR DAYS IN NOVEMBER. I could be wrong.
Frazier's account of the size is just wrong, either by accident or he intentionaly told them and for good reason, when a man you work with and got him his interview and gave rides to, kills the President of the U.S it's best to try and distance himself as much as he could from him.
That’s too bad, it certainly want his fault.
He was grilled for hours in the station and then almost forced to sign a confession paper that implicates him..
He was 19 year old kid not that well educated but smart enough to know to not sign that paper.. if he signed it he would be sitting jail today. That proves how corrupted the cops were.. all the witnesses said the FBI..CIA. dallas cops were ruthless. Mean and forcing people to say this or that or else...
Many of the witnesses were scared for their lives and didnt speak their whole lives for fear of their family
@@djquinn11
“wasn’t “
Did curtain rods ever show up anywhere?
@@bluenetmarketing NO they did not and TSBD was intensively searched to find them. Plus pix that day of Oswald's room at rooming house show curtain rods with curtains already there. Also, the package was made from wrapping paper and tape used at the TSBD was found there.
The more I learn the more I believe that Oswald was a patsy- but EVERY piece of evidence contradicts itself- ie. The package was not long enough to be a rifle BUT Oswald didn't need a ride on Friday to spend the weekend with his family (like every other weekend) -and he left his wedding ring....
He and his mistress Judith Vary Baker were going to fly to Mexico. Lee was leaving his wife you see and so no, he was not going back to the Paine residence. This is also why he left his wedding ring at the house as well. However, he did know that JFK was to be assassinated on that Friday. However, he would not be the one doing the shooting . You have to figure the rest out for yourself. BTW, you can buy Judith's Vary Baker's book to learn more.
He could be a patsy AND involved.
@@mikeblythe5438 Baker didn’t know Oswald .
@@mikeblythe5438 Wait, the cop Marion Baker and Judith Vary Baker have the same last name: HMMMMMMM!!!
It seems more like any reason given for the idea he was a patsy of a conspiracy contradicts itself. LHO saying he was a patsy was the end of a sentence where he said the fact that he'd lived in the Soviet Union was the reason the cops took him. He said specifically he was a patsy of the cops; if he thought he had been set up by the "real killers", he never did bother to mention it at any time.
Oswald was a grunt Intel agent, first with ONI (Marines), then used as needed. The perfect type to dupe as he was...very expendable. Maybe other "Oswalds" in Florida & Chicago...both those attempts were scrubbed. Oswald was a "wannabe" who thought too much...his under cover assignment was to infiltrate this "cell", thus he played out that role (even the rifle part) - once the kill team was NOT busted with people arrested upstairs, he panicked. Not knowing who to trust or who would silence him.
Must have been terrifying and disorienting...betrayed...not knowing where it would end.
You were clearly a screenwriter for Zoolander. Seriously, he was an “ONI agent????” You have no idea what’s up. He was a first-term enlisted Marine who did not reenlist because he was ‘unfit for duty.’ The LAST person who would screen to be ONI. Dope.
@@mikealoha3371 blows me away reading these conspiracy theory zealots..I don't get what's wrong with them. Low self esteem? Maybe it's a way of making them feel they know more than anybody else? Truly bizarre as well as these weirdo Q people. Pretty sad..
@@jamesdean8669 Assuming there was no conspiracy why aren't the files released? Lone nut assassin there is nothing to hide surely?
Also the US has been petrified of Soviet Communism activity since the Cold War, so much so that Hollywood 'Celebrities' were hounded during the McArthy era! Do you believe a so called 'defector' would have been allowed back in the US? unless there was a need for a 'Patsy'
Just asking?
@@donhadley3734 McCarthyism Oh, that was crazy huh . Thank God that can't happen again ,
The proof that Lee Oswald knew something was going to happen are two-fold: 1) He told Frazier not to pick him up for the weekend and 2) He left his wedding ring behind with some money for Marina. Rifle or no, an innocent man on a normal day to work certainly doesn't leave behind his wedding ring. He knew something was going down and he would be part of it. How fully Oswald was involved is certainly up for debate but surely he was involved to some extent.
@@anthonyrobinson8654 Damn I didn't know that! I really don't think he had anything to do with the shooting. I do believe he was trying to prevent it.
People who fall for the idea that Oswald didn't shoot JFK mostly ones who never shot a rifle. The range was not even 100 yards which is generally the min range at a rifle range. I taken teens to the range they can group under 12" at 300 feet 100 yards in less then 30 minutes of bench rest shooting. Oswald had an easy shot and he didn't even have to lift the rifle only raise the barrel some to track JFK car driving away from him.
Bob,my thoughts exactly.I believe at some point during his questioning by the Dallas detectives he realized he was being set up to take the full blame.Hence his famous "I'm just a patsy" quote.
that's right and that's why he was murdered.
@@timberrr1126 You got a lot of stuff figured out but a lot of other stuff COMPLETELY wrong. Just a couple, Connelly had 4 wounds and they were not even close to being in a line, he had entrance wound at the back of the right armpit at a rather sharp downward angle exiting below right nipple, liking going into left thigh. Right wrist was shattered while holding his hat near the bottom of the window. 6) James Tauge was hit in the in the face under the triple underpass from a shot fired from 2nd floor of Dal-Tex Building. COMPLETELY different direction than any shots from grassy knoll.....I'll stop there....
Everyone back then sounded like they smoked unfiltered cigarettes.
The vast majority of people in the 60's smoked. I was born in 1952. It was nothing for a child of 10 years old to walk into a store and buy a pack or carton of cigarettes. At Christmas I would ask my mom what dad wanted for Christmas and she would say, "Just buy him a carton of cigarettes ($10. at the time)." I would buy them, wrap them up and give them to my dad Christmas morning.
Probably did- so many brands offered non filtered cigs- Camel, lucky strikes, chesterfield, pall mall, etc.
When I was six to seven my uncle's would give me 25 cents. I'd walk to the store, purchase a pack of cigarettes for them. I'd have anywhere from 5 to 7 cents left over for myself. Wow did I clean up after four uncle's each week. Sometimes their friends would use my services also
As the two people were Interviewed I was thinking, "That's too small for Any rifle." In glad the video points out this issue. Again, I've never heard this before. Certainly not in Warren commission...
I think he was paid to say that, it doesn't make any sense to pick him up with the gun on the back seat!! Why not put it in the trunk so no one can see it 🤷 and why no one else seen him come in with the package? Just don't add up to me
@@rickyjackson6538 It sounds like you haven't thought too hard about it.
It would have def been the rifle in that long slender package, even if they didn't want to be associated with helping the President's assassin get to work.
While LHO was on the 2nd floor with his coke he was thinking to himself "TGIF". Then the CIA, the FBI, and the DPD went and ruined his whole weekend. Especially his Sunday.
@captainkavern - MANY people heard the shot from the picket fence & several saw a puff of smoke with two guys pulling back into the parking lot area. A guy in FRONT of the picket fence shooter heard & felt the bullet whiz by & he hit the deck. He was a tourist from Canada & was filming the motorcade with his movie camera & a "cop with a gun" took his film away (missing evidence). Also missing is the LIMO, the head shot bullet, the bullet fragments from Connally, the Mauser, etc.
Correct. Anyone who still thinks LHO was an active shooter is as dumb as a rock.
Now now Mr Arnold I think the witness name was. He was standing there taking pictures with his mothers video camera. A guy in police uniform came up and kicked him took the film. But Arnold was shipped out to Alaska in a few days because he was in the service. He was in uniform when this happened. He’s in the picture that Badge Man was in too.
@@ronmarvicsin7709 Yes, there were a lot of phoney Secret Service and cops in Dealey Plaza that day. People describe SS with suits but with dirty hands and fingernails etc.
You’re just lying. 🤥
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I like how you said it was a Mauser. That is exactly what Officer Roger Craig read off the receiver until they got stuck with the story that it was a Carcano.
Oswald had NO gunpowder residue on his hand. End of story and was working undercover for fbi.
Oswald had NO gunpowder residue on his hand: Very very weak and flimsy 'point'. He did test positive, and anyway, the test was an inconclusive joke.
I can't understand some people. We are talking about CIA and conspiracy.
They are so clever and they set up this riddle.
Oswald was only a little piece of this immortal riddle.
He was chosen because of his features.
That's absolute bullshit all the experts said Oswald was not agent material never had an extra dime to his name got no phone calls was a antisocial little arrogant asshole wouldn't even talk to his landlady.Agent my ass his crazy mother started that rumor.
Just more questions than answers!!
he was in on it. who in the hell uses metric system in tx. in 1961 ??? nobody but a plant. payne women was also in on it. her husband worked for Bell Hellicopter. they had
trillions to loose
if kennedy pulled out of vietnam.
I owned a 7.35 Carcano many years ago and I believe it was a good bit longer than 26 inches.
And I know that eye witnesses are often wrong. 🤦♂️
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The stock would be longer!
It was broken down when carried in that package, which wasn't quite as short as Frazier wanted to make it out to be.
This is a distraction. Oswald didn't fire one shot. Check out James Files' interview. This video is old and was made before updated info was made known.
Agreed. Im convinced that Files is the Grassy Knoll shooter he's still alive and the government tried to kill him three times. I read both of his books and everything he says has been verified 100%. The teeth marks on bullet, the mercury bullet, the names of those involved like Rosselli, Nicoletti. He was Mob/CIA at the height when both criminals corporations were colloboratingg together on big level assassinations. Oswald was to be killed by Tippitt or brought to the Mob to be double crossed. He knew too much and if he wasn't to be double crossed and wasn't a patsy then why did Jack Ruby on the orders of the mob heads fire those fatal slugs into oswald in a police department basement of all places.
@@digitalsoldier3894 finally someone bringing facts to the table.. Thank You, nobody brings up James Files.. Personally the Italian Mafia,The American Mafia,The Corsican Mafia, C.I.A,Secret Service,Anti Castro,Big Oil, Big Business(WORLD BANKERS)and other branches of ours and foreign governments. Under one umbrella!!!
THIS IS WHAT EISENHOWER'S WARNING WAS ABOUT
BS. True Oswald didn't fire one shot, he fired three
@@timhorpo And yet no gun powder evidence was found on him after initial nitrate tests and report...things that make you go hmmmmm
@@MrMajikman1 As there was also none when agents fired the exact weapon in tests. Does that mean it was not fired???
British Enfield Rifle found on the roof, coincidentally Frazier owned the same type of Rifle. 3 rifles found that day. If you do some research about Frazier you will find that he was threatened by Dallas police to help frame Oswald after his arrest. Whether willing or not the story of the brown paper bag emerged. Frazier's mother stated that Oswald was not carrying a large bag rather a small lunch sack. Authorities threatened to charge Frazier with the assassination because of the rifle found on the roof of the TSBD. Research it
The fact is, and I hate to say it, Oswald messed up when he left the Depository to go get his Jacket and revolver. Why would he do something like that if he wasn't involved in some way? Makes no sense at all because he was already seen by Truly and Baker, so he had eye witnesses that put him in the building. All he had to do is remain in the building in the presence of other employees. That way he could NEVER HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF KILLING OFFICER TIPPIT. And he would never have been arrested in the Texas Movie Theater. Don't you all see? History would have been ALTERED if he just stayed where he was. Why did he leave the building? That is the question! When asked, Oswald said he didn't think there would be any more work that day. WHAT??? That's a crock of shit. And anyway as an employee, you don't make a decision like that to just get up and leave. You wait like every other employee until your shift is over, or your boss, in this case Truly, TELLS YOU that you have permission to leave. And think about this, the president of the United States was just killed and shots came from the building YOU work in and what does Oswald do? Stick around like everyone else? No! This guy decides to leave and what does he do? He goes to his rooming house and gets a loaded revolver. Now whether Oswald shot at the president or killed Officer Tippit is not the question. The question is why did he do what he did after the assassination?? What he did was not normal. It convinces me Oswald was involved in the assassination in some way. Either he was part of it, or knew about it. But he knew something to make him do what he did. He is no innocent. I'm not saying he shot anyone, I'm just saying Oswald did not act in a rational manner, the way a totally innocent oblivious person would have acted. Either he was physically involved, which I doubt, or he knew what was going to happen and the people involved in it. Or else he just would have continued drinking his coke and mingled with other employees. Do you realize if he did do that, history would have been changed, and he could never have been accused of shooting Officer Tippit. 🔫
Good point, I don't think he was a shooter no witnesses saw him in that window & no employees saw him running down the stairs. That's an assumption & it's never been proven he was on the 6th floor.
Just speculating if he was a shooter he had no way of knowing he was going to run into a policeman 90 seconds after the shooting on the 2nd floor lunchroom. Why would he be in such a hurry ?? Hindsight is 20/20.
What if he stayed & didn't leave maybe history would be different & he might've not been arrested.
Buell Frazier was arrested & a suspect on that friday. He said it was the longest day of his life. He was questioned by Captain Fritz & he tried to get Frazier to sign a confession he was part of a conspiracy to kill JFK. Frazier refused & then they hung it on Oswald.
the rifle found on the 6th floor was a 7.65 MAUSER as stated in the sworn affidavit found on the city of Dallas website.
There was also a Mannlicher Carcano WITHOUT a scope filmed that day, plus the so called assassin's weapon with a scope.
@Nathan Hale that's true, they did edit out the motorcade stopping.
Mac Wallace was the man shooting it
@@bluesky6985 shooting what exactly?
@@ktmenifee Mac Wallace shot Kennedy in the back from the school book depository with the Mauser
As soon as I heard the music I knew for sure Oswald did it!
LOL That's the first thing I noticed :)
or that a teabag made the video.
@captainkavern - Oswald did all that stuff because he was UNDER COVER as an intel agent, being set up as the patsy all along. When you're under cover, you do as your "role" says to do and he was reporting all that to his handlers all along. He was waiting in the break room to hear about guys getting busted upstairs (and maybe a promotion). If he was the assassin, why would he "get away" by sitting around in the break room, rather than splitting out the back door? Explain that.
Oswald took orders from Hosty and passed information on to him 4 days before jfk s murder . That note was destroyed ? Therein lies the key to the conspiracy.
They did find the ‘curtain rods’ but they found the paper wrapping, with gun grease on it. Additionally, the package was never measured by the driver that morning.
He was a patsy that's all
Nonsense! nomagicbullets.wordpress.com/2019/11/18/22-oswald-was-not-a-patsy/
George H W Bush, but no, don't look at him or his families history.
Exactly he was involved!
You see they said Bush snr died!
He was executed by the military as was
Senator John McCain
@@stephenstone7423 check out your meds.
Not Bush, LBJ
@@raysnyder7512 why would Why would l check my meds out?
@@stephenstone7423 you might need a refill
I’m not saying it was aliens but…..👽👽😂😂😂
Hey Helmer
Very interesting videos. Do you (or anyone) know the name of the composer of the music in this video? Thanks
He didnt drive him home EVERY fri....Guess how many times he would of given LHO a ride....4 or 5 times....LHO had only had the job there a little over a month.
It means "every Friday" since getting the job. You need to pay closer attention.
After watching bld 7 fall 30 minutes after it was reported to have fallen.........I 'm confused
“That was NOT a rifle in the package. I know what a rifle looks like.” -Buell Wesley Frazier
Police found 303 Enfeld and ton of ammo at his house
If you're in the conspiracy camp, then this leads some credence to your view, but then you need to come up with an explanation how the gun got from Irving to the TSBD and planted to frame Oswald. I haven't heard any explanations of how that could be.
Curious, were any curtain rods found in Oswalds locker in the book depository ?
No. In fact, Oswald's boarding house room already had curtains.
Now that's a good question folks! and I'm on Oswald's side as far as being accused of something and not convicted. You rarely ever hear anybody in these videos say the word "allegedly" before shot or killed..
I don't think Oswald brought a rifle or curtain rods into the TSBD. Jack Dougherty the first one to see Oswald that morning was sure he didn't see him carry a package.
if he had curtain rods maybe he left it in Frazier's car. Bringing curtain rods
into the bldg makes no sense.
Never ever heard this story about curtain rods. Maybe curtain rods is the part that was redacted even 50+ fucking years from JFK documents release to the public. 😱😱 Yea? You know the curtain rod stuff! 😂😂😂😂
@@WINGGULLSEAGULL well he wasn’t going home with Frazier so that was his excuse for taking the package out.
The statement by the sister seemed totally rehearsed, or she was even reading it
Tin foil hats at attention.
Fool
Wow, that’s incredible. No one has ever been nervous on camera before and trying hard to get their words right. 😂😂😂😂🤣
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It likely was rehearsed, and she may indeed have been reading it...they made an appointment with her to film her perspective. She knew to prepare for it.
Why would Buell Wesley Frazier need to "charge" his car, when he just took a 25 minute trip in his car?
Why would Buell Wesley Frazier need to "charge" his car, when he just took a 25 minute trip in his car?: I guess it was just a crappy old car, I suppose.
LHO never fired a shot. They did the parrafin test and it was negative. James Files confessed to be the temple (right front) shooter in '94.
Prove it
You think a huge hole above the temple was the entry? That's amusing.
@@peterfraser9070 Ain't gonna have been an exit wound from the direction of the TSBD either then, is it? However, the doctors at Parkland did report an exit wound in the BACK of the head.
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I knew a Chevy had to have something to do with one of the darkest days in us history.....lol
Buell Wesley Frazier was one of the most important witnesses in convicting Oswald, despite his testimony that the gun was only 2 1/2 feet long. The testimony was extremely effective in convicting Oswald. Funny that other employees who saw Oswald coming in the building, emphatically denied he was carrying anything.
LHO was never convicted of anything.....
BS. I assume you can name even ONE of Oswald's co-workers who testified that they actually saw Oswald enter the TSBD and that he was empty handed. You do know they found the empty package Oswald made in the TSBD, they found HIS rifle there, to Marina's horror the rifle WAS messing from the Paine's garage, yet they never found any curtain rods in the TSBD.
P.S. I appreciate you using Oswald's very own words to "emphatically deny". Slick. OK - so name these co-workers.
No trial, No conviction.
@@randymillhouse791 Brilliant --- you do know he himself was killed 2 days after he murdered JFK and Tippit I hope.
@@DanC-go9lc Really? Seems like you uncovered a blockbuster fact!
Did the carpet match the curtains?
Close enough for the warren commission, they had another detail to close the case
Curtain rods or curtains for JFK?
Pretty spivey shoes Frazier.
Wesley Frazier sure was mistaken about the length of the package and the way Oswald carried it, because it contained the rifle which was 3 feet long and couldn’t be carried the way he described, his sister said Oswald carried it with bottom almost touching the floor. Frazier also told Bugliosi that he wasn’t paying much attention to Oswald who was walking around 50 feet ahead and he also told him the package could have protruded his body.
Excellent point!
I think Frazier does not want anyone to believe he had anything to do with the assassination. So he is sticking to his story about the package being approx. 24 inches. There is no doubt Lee had a weapon wrapped in that paper. Frazier is no dummy he is sticking to his story, he knows that he could be accused of being an accomplice, if he told the truth and said the package was longer. Smart man Frazier.
Moral: Instant Coffee causes murder.
And, the trots, after listening to this dramatic music!
Through all the speculation, crakpot theories, legitimate theories, shooting re-enactments, etc, one thing still remains:
EVERY person/physician/etc that saw the wounds said the exit wound was in the back of the head, and that the throat wound was a point of entry. All the other stuff is for show. I doubt that EVERY doctor that was in Trauma Room One was lying.
There was another shooter. There HAD to be.
Read testimony of Arnold Rowland who saw a man with rifle & scope at 6th floor West window of TSBD & another at the sniper's nest at East Window. Shots from West window fit the wounds to Gov. Connally
@Matt Pizzano The Zapruder film was heavily doctored. There is an orange blob added in front of Kennedy's head. When a surgeon says there was a baseball sized hole in the back of JFK's head, and the brain was spilling out onto the table, I believe him. The military 'autopsy' was a sham.
And of course, the guy took out his tape measure and measured the package on the back seat so he knew it was 26 inches.
Tonight on Fox...
" when curtain rods Attack
This is now half as old as the assasination of Franz Ferdinand, just a thought. But it is bothersome. How do you miss a gun in your car? I guess back then, men didn’t know curtains because their wives took care of that? Does a curtain rod have a wooden stock and a box of bullets?
Does a curtain rod have a wooden stock and a box of bullets?: Wow what an embarrassing comment. The rifle was wrapped up. Go back to sleep.
@@peterfraser9070 Embarrassing for who? Certainly not me. Go buy a curtain rod and come back with it wrapped in paper.
@@BrisLS1 "How do you miss a gun in your car?" "Does a curtain rod have a wooden stock and a box of bullets?: Again, it was a wrapped-up package and Frasier didn't have x-ray eyes.
Did any of the geniuses that investigated this wink wink, ask the land lady for Oswald if he needed curtain rods in his room or had mentioned it? 90% chance she would know. Oswald seemed to be going through a pattern, of things that made him look like he had sympathy for Cuba? But yet didn't? The radio interview in New Orleans for example. He said when he was in Russia he was always under the protection of the US embassy, and then quickly corrected himself. Also when he was passing out those leaflets fair play for Cuba, He was the only member? But in a press conference after his arrest, Jack Ruby corrected the DA when he called it play fair with Cuba. How did Jack Ruby know that? Nobody else in the western hemisphere did. ha ha ha. Back to the land lady, she said a police car pulled up out front right after Oswald arrived and tooted his horn. toot toot. But Oswald ignored it. the police car had the #10 on the side. That was JD Tippit's car #. Why did JD Tippit come by Oswald's house? Why did Oswald go to a theater, and move to three different seats? Set there for a moment and then move and set by someone else? Was he trying to make contact with someone. I'll tell you why. Because Oswald was in the CIA.
Curtain rods were present in owsalds rooming house, he did not need any. No curtain rods were found at the book depoistory, there was something else inside the paper bag.. can you guess children ?
+Ronnie Bishop AND ,HERE YOU ARE.....OHHHH THE LIES YOU ARE TOLD....HELMERREENBURG.....ELMER....THIS MAN TRAINED WITH OSWALD...MARINA ALREADY LIVED WITH PAINES WHEN OSWALD SHOWED UP....RUTH PAINE WAS ALREADY TRAINING MARINA.... BUELL OFFER OSWALD RIDES TO AND FROM THE SCHOOL....RUMOURS WERE STARTED HERE THAT MARINA AND OSWALD WERE SEEN TOGETHER AROUND DALLAS....THEY STARTED CREATING THE COVER UP....THEIR COVER MAKES THEM LOOK LIKE FAILURES AND FOREIGNORS....SEE THEM AS THEY WERE....TRAINEEES....NEWBIES....THE TOWN OF IRVING IS A CIA COVER TOWN....THIS CAR IS LINKED TO THE CARS SEEN BY LEE BOWERS WHO WERE AT THE RAIL CARS SEEN UNLOADING CRATES WHO LATER TURN OUT TO BE CIA....HOBOS DRESSED AS CIA....OSWALD INFILTRATED THE CIA , BUELL WAS A SMUGGLER WHO DIDNT REALISE OSWALD WAS ANOTHER AGENT...ALSO....OSWALD WASNT HOME THAT MORNIMG AND RUTH PAINE ALSO SAID HE WASNT HOME THE NIGHT BEFORE.....OSWALD WAS IN FORT WORTH HOTEL WITH MARINA BUSTING ART AND JEWEL DEALERS...AKA SMUGGLERS ALSO....AFTER THIS NIGHT....OSWALD FAKE DIES AND MARINA BECOMES ANOTHER PERSON....ALL THE SMUGGLERS GO DOWN AND A COVER UP IS CREATED.....what I don't get is...why are all the lies....why mirror the shooting? I mean...were told a shooting with jfk and yet I see a smuggling operation covered up by some faction....they twist two stories together...obviously so the public doesn't see the truth....a presidential lie that protects the female Russian who tracks down art and jewel thieves and the man who tracks down weapons dealers...OR....MARINA WORKED FOR THE CIA AND KILLED JFK....OSWALD WAS OPERATING A SMUGGLING OPERATION....UNDERSTAND THE THEORY OF PROBABILITY...NOW....YOU HAVE TWO STORIES....HE WORKED FOR THEM OR HE WORKED FOR SOMBODY ELSE WHO WAS INVESTIGATING THE CIA....PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT CIA ,SEEM TO BE CIA ,AND THOSE WHO WERE CIA ,SEEM TO BE PEOPLE NOT CIA.....ITS CALLED MIRRORING....MOST PEOPLE USE THEIR LEFT SIDE OF THE BRAIN OR RIGHT SIDE OF THE BRAIN. I AM ONE OF THOSE FEW WHO USE BOTH SIDES AT ONCE....CAN USE LEFT SIDE TO SEE IN REVERSE AS AT THE SAME TIME ,USE THE RIGHT SIDE IN FORWARDS....I CALL IT MIRRORING...ITS BEING ABLE TO SEE LIFE AT THE SAME TIME, SEE IT FROM A MIRRORED POINT OF VIEW....ALOT OF TIMES...PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND MY SENTANCE STRUCTUREING...MY RIGHT HAND RIGHTS MIMICS MY LEFT HAND.....WHEN MY LEFT HAND WRITES IN REVERSE, MY RIGHT HAND MIMICS MY LEFT HAND FORWARDS....I AM NOT RIGHT HANDED....WHEN MY LEFT IS OCCUPIED ,MY RIGHT TAKES OVER AND WRITES CORRECTLY....ONE SIDE OF MY BRAIN CONTROLS THE BACKWARDS.. THE OTHER SIDE CONTROLS THE FORWARDS WHILE I OCCUPY THE NORMAL FORWARDS WITH THE OTHER SIDE....BEST WAY TO DISCRIBE IT IS....TAKE A FILM OF A REEL....LOOK AT BOTH SIDES ....ITS THE SAME AND YET IT ISNT....ITS A TYPE OF MIRRORING....TO ME, MIRRORING A CRIMESCENE IS SIMPLE....I THINK LIKE A MIRROR....MY TALENT IS A PHOTOGRAPHIC MIRROR.....WHY MOVE A BODY OR A CRIME SCENE IF YOU CAN JUST MIRROR IT ON FILM.....MAKE PEOPLE THINK THE ASSASSINATION TOOK PLACE ON ELM...FOR FOUR DAYS..... ONE VERSION OF THEORY IS JFK WAS IN A PARADE AND SHOT.....THE OTHER IS A MAN LEFT THE COURT HOUSE, GOT IN A LIMO AND AS THEY PULLED AWAY, WAS SLASHED. THE POINT IS,THE ZAPRUDER FILM IS A CREATED COVER UP.....WHAT YOU SEE IS A MIRRORED LIE....WHY ARE OLD CIA FILES BEING SHOWN AS OTHER IMAGES.....SO MANY QUESTIONS AND ALL I GET ARE LIES....
+ELISKA wison I would like to speak with you. If and only if you do not mind?
+kev42o97 WHY?
+Ronnie Bishop Some people just seem nervous and shifty in their interviews (lying?) like this Frazier guy, both of the Paynes etc. Other people seem very quick and sharp (truthtellers?) like James Files. Very interesting to look at body language, inflections etc in these interviews.
Ruby was brought in to shut oswald up.
Which he did.
Oswald was the sucker who got hit.
I read he was really after Connelly.
He probably was told to hit Connally.
Jfk was also hit from the front.
A doctor present at the initial exam of jfk held that truth in til the 90s.
Which means jfk was hit from a shooter behind the picket fence and why so many people headed that way after the shooting.
frazier looks like a lee harvey oswald lookalike lol!
have you seen Michael paine?
@Tomaji69 Oswald said "They are arresting me because of the fact I lived in the soviet union, I am just a patsy" he didn't talk about being set up. He was lying by the way , he was arrested because of the Tippit murder.
Which he also did not commit. Some eyewitnesses insist that G. Gordon Liddy murdered Tippett. Yup, THAT G. Gordon Liddy who is still alive and well.
@@Mooseman327 whatcwi5nesses?
No he was not perhaps lying. The question asked of him was " did you kill the president?" If you remember.
The only "eyewitness" the Police used to 'identify' Oswald was the hysterical and scatter-brained Helen Markham. None of the other witnesses to the Tippit murder could positively identify Oswald. Warren Reynolds changed his i.d. answer after he had been threatened and nearly murdered[at first, Reynolds wouldn't i.d. Oswald, after surviving being shot in the head, he i.d.'ed Oswald]. Needless to say, there is no chain of evidence connecting Oswald to the commission of ANY crime, let alone the murders of Kennedy and Tippit.
Oswald was definitley innocent in the sense that he never pulled the trigger. He was a plant, a scapegoat, easily manipulated. They had clever doubles of this guy around the place. One of Osealds Handlers was George De Morenschildt, who a young Jackie Bouvier once called uncle George. Tippitt was set up to kill Oswald or bring him To be killed, its debatable who actually killed Tippitt. Mac Wallace was one of the sixth floor gunmen whose fingerprints where found, he was an LBJ hitman. James Files fired the Mercury ripped bullet the same time as rosselli in the dal tex building, both bullets striking kennedy at the same time. Files is adamant his bullet was the fatal one. His story was proven to be verified by everyone, he is still alive today
I agree your correct except for James Files, Bill Greer the driver finished JFK
with an air operated gun firing an exploding pellet of shell fish toxin. Watch the Z film & watch the driver.
THE BLOKE WITH THE OVERALLS AND DIRTY FINGER NAILS IS THE BLOKE THAT HIT THE BRIDGE, HE SHOT FROM THE DRAIN PIT, HE HAD THE OVERALLS TO NOT GET THE CLOTHES DIRTY AND MAYBE HE CRAWLED IN THE PIPES.
What videos are thse clips from?
Wasn't the rifle found in the book depository originally identified as a German Mauser? I'm sure Jesse Curry is on film saying that
Roger Craig, a Dallas Sheriff Deputy said that he was there when the gun was found. One of the cops there was a gun buff and said it looked like a Mauser. Then he said he went closer and saw it stamped on the gun, Mauser. There are videos of Walter Cronkite announcing for two or three days that it was a mauser, then changed it and said it was an Italian gun
I have a copy of the B&W film of Deputy Craig on DVD. He says he never got to touch it, but he was close enough to read what it said on the barrel; according to him, it said "7.65 Mauser". What's interesting, is that after that statement, Craig lost his job, shortly thereafter; followed by his house, and then his wife divorced him. He was subsequently found, sometime later, with what appeared to be an alcohol-induced suicide.... Yet through ALL of that, Craig REFUSED to recant his statement. Fascinating.
While the motorcade route was published in the Dallas Morning News, 3 days earlier, it was SUPPOSED to go PAST Dealey Plaza, travelling down Main St. It wasn't until THE DAY BEFORE, that the route was changed to enter Dealey Plaza; it was changed by someone in the SecServ, and was NOT released publicly. So...how could Oswald have POSSIBLY known that? If OSWALD was waiting to shoot JFK, when the motorcade turned OFF Main, onto Houston (the base of the Dealey Plaza triangle), where Houston an Elm intersect, GUESS what building in ON THE CORNER; why, the TSBD of course! If Oswald was on the 6th floor, waiting to shoot JFK, once the limo commits to the turn, Oswald is as close, as he will EVER BE (at 20' ceilings, with 5 floors below him, he is no more than 120'--40 yards, shooting into an OPEN CAR! But rather than do that, he lets the limo COMPLETE the turn, pulling AWAY from him (as it increases distance and speed) and THEN starts shooting??🤔. Hardly. As there are SOME things ONLY gov't can do, regarding the last-minute motorcade change, SOMEBODY in the SecServ BROUGHT the mouse TO the cats!😳😲🤔🤢😟. And Oswald was NOT one of them. He didn't have the training, the experience, or the rifle/ammo, to make those shots. And of the expert shooters who did, in the 70s, both FBI and Marine Corps "ballistic surgeons", NONE of them could replicate that feat, as SINGLE shooters. And UNLIKE Oswald, they WERE trained, experienced, and "confirmed meat eaters", with MATCH-GRADE rifles/ammo; and THEY couldn't do it....There were TOO MANY shots, and they were TOO CLOSE TOGETHER, to be one shooter; and there's no getting around that, I'm sorry.😲🤔🤢😟. Three trained shooters, two shots each, at a MOVING target, with MATCH-GRADE weapons and ammo(?) IS doable; but not ONE man, with a surplus rifle/ammo, and less than average ability. You simply can't close the loop.
And this is explained in detail, in Craig Roberts' "Killzone: A Sniper Looks at Dealey Plaza". If you want to study what the critics of the Warren Commission have said, might I offer the titles of Jim Garrison's "On the Trail of the Assassins", Dr. Charles Crenshaw's "Conspiracy of Silence", and Jim Marrs' "Crossfire: The Plot that Killed Kennedy". Anyone can buy into the official narrative; it's MADE for the masses to swallow. But thinking people have questions, and those questions can't be ignored and dismissed, by phrases like "conspiracy theory", and ad hominem attacks on the messenger. One has to be intellectually honest, and willing to follow uncomfortable facts to whatever conclusions you arrive at. In short, nothing is what we've been told; regarding this subject, and others, as well. Sad.
Jesse Curry did say Oswald got in a station wagon “ driven by a negro”
must have gotten that from James Craig eye witness account of getting into light rambler driven by dark skinned male
There was media right there on the 6th floor when the Carcano was found and called a Mauser, considered as a generic name, basically, for a bolt-action rifle. The media immediately reported s Mauser and it was corrected afterwards. Big deal.
@peterfraser9070 yeah big deal, where do think conspiracy theories cone from when things are incorrectly reported?
This woman: "He was carrying a package 2 1/2 feet long."
All other women: "He had a big package."
Oswald's girlfriend: "He had a tiny package."
give or take an inch or two...
I'm not touching this one.
I watch a lot of documents about JFK assassination but never seen this great video
It's ancient
Oswald. He was just what he said he was. A patsy.
LHO was a patsy of the cops cause he'd lived in the USSR, or a patsy of a conspiracy?
@Tomaji69
Please don't get rude because it doesn't make you look smarter...
Did he ever hang those "curtain rods" in his apt? Were they ever found?
No, but they did find a highly expensive Minox camera which actual spies of the day used (Minox cameras have been featured in James Bond movies) in his belongings. And even though he was constantly around intelligence agents, he wasn't an intelligence agent, because reasons.
@@choosetolivefree what was the explanation for the camera ?
@@brianambrosemcmahon8531 Oh, well, the FBI just changed it from a Minox camera, to a Minox light meter on their inventory. So, they didn't explain it, just made it disappear.
No, Oswald used his "curtain rods" to shoot Kennedy.
Why would Oswald bring curtain rods to work? I'm not saying he shot kennedy, but its still a little suspicious if he's using them for his house and bringing them to work.
He got them from the house where his wife was staying to bring to his apartment in Oak Cliff, they did not live together but he visited on the weekend. They did find that he already had curtains in his room, He could have wanted to change them
@@rbhusana as it was a rooming house, it would be surely normal practice for the landlady to provide the curtain rods? However, there is a picture of the window in his room showing the curtain rod was bent.
He lived in Dallas. His wife lived in Irving. He brought them to Dallas.
I urge everyone to watch the brilliant Nigel Turner video (7 hrs) while it's still available on YT. The Men Who Killed Kennedy.
It’s total garbage.
No. Even garbage is better than that
I've seen all those. narrator Roger mudd+ Nigel turner
You have this mixed up with something else. There were several prints on the boxes never matched to anyone, until a few years ago. One set matched Mac Wallace, who was the henchman for LBJ, working under direction of Ed Clark. Bet you never heard of these guys, right?
Wrong there was one print that was unmatched and it was palmprint.Wallace print is a con job a fingerprint examiner got duped.
I was always under the impression that the rifle used by LHO was scoped. Unlike the still in the film.
There were actually two rifles found...a more accurate Mauser..which later supposedly the owner of the building said was his..yes, the “Oswald” rifle had a scope, which was misaligned, also there is discrepancy whether it had a clip which would feed the bullets in rather than hand feeding them...after they realized that it was impossible for someone to hand feed the bullets in 6.5 seconds they backtracked and said it had a clip...also 3 bullet shells were all that were found and no other ammunition was found in Oswalds effects...odd that an assassin would only have 3 bullets and no stash of ammunition isn’t it?
@@alpha-omega2362 couple all that with the fact that he was firing at a moving target coupled with using a scoped rifle. Lucky if he got one hit, at best.
@@alanthevan Not only that, but he had to shoot through some tree limbs. Even though there were no leaves on the tree at that time of year, he still had to shoot through them.
@@MrMajikman1 And LHO would have had a far simpler shot if he'd fired at Kennedy as his car approached the SBD building...rather than as he was going away with obstacles like the tree and lamp post in the way .
@@nicknicely6315 Of course! He would have had a direct head shot from the front with NO obstructions in his way. But he chose a target moving away from him through obstructions? That dog don't hunt!
The Mod. 91/38 Carcano rifle that Oswald bough and allegedly used had a 21 inch barrel. Add the receiver mechanism onto that-assuming 7-8 inches for that section-and you have 28-29 inches or 2 1/2 feet that one of the witnesses mentioned. The stock was about the same length so disassembled they could easily fit into the package the witnesses noted. Outside of that, the rifle that Oswald bought was the firearm found at the TSBD on the 6th floor and ballistic tests showed the rifling matched that on the bullet that was found. All in all, pretty concrete evidence-but people who want to believe in some sort of conspiracy are going to continue believing in that regardless, it's like an article of Faith to them.
I looked out the window with a 26" wrapped package and I said to myself, "I wonder what lee is doing with a 7.62...."
That was his rifle in that package.
looked out the window with a 26" wrapped package and I said to myself, "I wonder what lee is doing with a 7.62...."
If there was a point there I don't think you made it.
Oswald was framed as the patsy.
You opinions don’t amount to anything!!! You are dismissed!!!
Yeah well, if Lee Harvey Oswald said he didn’t do it, then he’s definitely innocent. He would never have lied to us!
I highly recommend you read Frazier's book "Steering Truth: My Eternal Connection to JFK and Lee Harvey Oswald." He goes into detail the nightmare he and his family had to go through for many years starting that very day.
Ironically keeps making $$ on books, interviews and changing his story( Frasier I am referring to).
@@joinjen3854 Yes, it's kinda sad how he suddenly came up with this "I saw a man with a gun" story after all these years. Although, I do get why he wanted to play down the length of Oswald's package that morning.
@@peterfraser9070 you know that no package was found at the TSBD.....
@@dustyflair You ought to know that the wrapping paper was found in the sniper's nest, and it showed that there had been in a rifle in it and it had his prints on it. Better luck next time.
@@peterfraser9070 sir, show us ONE picture of the wrapper being found in the TSBD. Only a DRAWING exists of where it was found YET they had a canera crew up there within minutes.....
What color curtains did they end up with?
In my opinion; this man Frasier; and the Dallas Police:
Concocted the story about the paper bag and all of that.
Understandably; Fraiser was scared out of his mind-- because the cops were trying to force him to sign some kind of confession:
To the killing of the President.
But
I believe that the "cooking up"; of this story;
was his way of getting out-
of the "accusations"; which were made against him.
He also testified that he was standing on the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository- at the time the motorcade was going by:
WHERE is he?!
I don't see him in any of the photos/films!
He is not a reliable witness.
Every time you see this guy talking about 11/22/1963-
his story is a little bit different 👎
oswald was definitely involved regardless, you can tell by one of the letters he sent to a person involved basically asking what was the plan and what he should do because he didn't want to move forward until he knew for sure, im sure he felt he was being set up given the nature of the deed. given how fast they "found" Oswald and weapon and then how sloppily he was guarded before his death and the fact how casual he said he was the patsy... im sure we know what his role was, patsy. scapegoat
Careful with choice of words. If someone sets you up to take the fall for a crime without your knowledge...the person set up (patsy) is not "involved." Oswald likely did was he was told to do (to make him look guilty) without knowing what was actually going to happen.
@@timberrr1126 Kennedy was hit 4 times": Wow, what a confused idea you have there.
"oswald was definitely involved": that's a bit of an understatement. All it took was one guy to get the idea, bring his rifle in and shoot.
@@peterfraser9070 Have you ever made a friend of anyone in your life?
Your statements are a mishmash.
@@peterfraser9070 What is your opinion?
facts are: motorcade was running ten mins late oswald wud of been up in the snipers nest waiting he wudnt of known it was running late. think about it , he had to get the weapon all set up and ready and sit there and hope no one disturbed him . dont think so,
According to Frazier....package was two feet long...give ir take two inches....rifle fully collapsed was three feet...
Lee Harvey 'set up CIA scapegoat' Oswald
I find it interesting that both people said the package was appoxamently 2 1/2 feet long, one even said 26" . The rifle Oswald owned was 40" in length and was not a take-down model.
His rifle, when broken down measured aprox. 26 inches. The Mannlicher can easily assembled and disassembled with the use of a coin as a screw-driving devise.
@@autoad That is simply incorrect and can be easily verified. The longest piece when disassembled measured 34.8 inches. That's about 8-10 inches longer that the paper bag was, which is exactly what both witnesses observed.
@@achterlijkeidioten Wrong. The paper bag was 38 inches long and bore marks that matched the Carcano.
In addition, the bag was found to contain fibers that matched those from the blanket it was wrapped in at Ruth Paine's house.
Again, all you've read are pro-conspiracy books which have earned a reputation of being loaded with erroneous information.
@@autoad The longest piece when disassembled measured 34.8 inches, according to the WC. Not 26 like you said.
Expert witnesses who testified before the WC have stated that the fibers could have come from the blanket, but not exclusively and did not preclude any other type of fabric.
They also stated that no markings of any kind linked this rifle, any other rifle or any other instrument to the paper bag.
This information is straight out of the WR, but people like you simply don't understand or ignore that.
@@achterlijkeidioten I stand corrected about the size of the rifle when broken down. Indeed, the length is 34.8 inches.
You're parsing words when it comes to the fibers. The fibers were consistent with the fibers from the blanket at the Paine house. It was possible but improbable they came from a different blanket.
The size of the bag was sufficient to have carried the Mannlicher and it had LHO's finger and palm print on them.
In addition, two people saw him carrying a bag to work and LHO said they contained curtain rods.
However, when questioned by police, Oswald said he didn't carry a bag to work that day and a search of the TSBD did not uncover any curtain rods.
Furthermore, the Mannlicher that was owned by Oswald was found on the 6th floor of the TSBD and it was conclusively and irrefutably shown to be THE rifle that killed JFK to the exclusion of all other rifles in the world.
You can cherry-pick tiny bits and pieces of evidence and present them in a manner that suggests Oswald didn't shoot the president.
But when all of the scientific, measurable evidence; ballistic, medical, forensic and physical are examined along with the actions, movements and statements made by LHO, he is guilty of being the assassin of JFK.
The CIA has refused to release "all" of their material related to the assassination. Blatantly ignoring a "law" that required them to do so in 2017. The D.C. Cartel protect themselves at any cost.
Lockdown fever when a 60 year old news story is news.
HAHAHA! You nailed it! 😂
@captainkavern YES, he was carrying the rifle - in his role as undercover intel agent just doing his job. He would have been a hero if he wasn't being duped all along! Who was THE shooter up there?...maybe Mac Wallace, maybe someone else. There was ANOTHER rifle up there too...a Mauser. So, there may have been TWO shooters up there & one at the picket fence (obviously) & one or more in the Dal-Tex building. Look at MISSING evidence! The LIMO for example! The head shot bullet, etc.
Good reply. Very few people know about Max Wallace and his finger print being in the snipers nest.
I’ve always thought the way they got the rifle up to the sixth floor was they were putting in a new floor on the sixth floor. It would have been easy to hide the rifle within sone boards. Or broken down
@@ronmarvicsin7709 Correct. Also a native American was with Wallace, his name is out there ( I forget). Wallace had killed at least twice for LBJ before. He was found guilty of first degree murder of LBJ's sisiter's boyfriend, and given probation!! The LBJ got him a security clearance and a high paid job.
Were a package of curtain rods ever found?
Nope. Guilty. Plain and simple (for about 1000 other reasons). The absence of curtain rods is mentioned by the Warren Commission.
Good questionl No!. THe obvious here, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.
the package was found in the mail....
@@dustyflair Home Depot
@@tonyc7301 I saw the computer reenactment of the shooting, all the bullet angles came from the window of the TSBD. No grassy knoll tin hat conspiracy.
Shot #1 missed everything. Neck shot from the FRONT. Back hit to JFK. Connally was hit. Curb was hit. Windshield was hit. Trim above windshield also hit. Head shot...let's see, how many is that? Oh, but the limo being scrubbed & restored doesn't mean anything, right? Wake up and open your mind a little...give your ego a rest and breathe into the WHOLE truth...if it was an op, it won't be "easy" to figure it out...apply yourself.
It does seem odd that the limo was rushed off to be cleaned up when it was a piece of evidence in the crime scene. I realize that what I am saying isn't proof of anything but it does seem really strange.
You missed the testimony of Virgie Rachley (aka Mrs Baker) who saw sparks from a shot that hit the road in front of Limo. This could have been the bullet that went on to hit the kerb & wound Tague near overpass or it could have been a separate shot. Rackley only heard 3 shots.
Plus the furrow and bullet on the grass near whereJean Hill was standing.
Google Friday November 22, 1963.It's a PDF and well worth the read.And though we will all interpret the evidence diferently, we have to undestand that evidence was ignored and some not considered pertinant. A Richie Valens tune comes to mind,Framed.Where were you on the night of july 29th.Bet your answer doesn't match with those you were with.Individual perspective's of an event are very often conflicting and the truth is elusive.Flame on.
"evidence was ignored and some not considered pertinant": Bullshit evidence was ignored. I like "Framed", and the Cheech n' Chong version's pretty good too.
What's an example of evidence that was ignored?
the drab bulk of the TSBD "looms" up etc etc. Actually, the TSBD is a very elegant building, love the different angles of the bricks around the windows of the 6th floor. Frankly, I love that building much more than the boring, soulless concrete monsters around it. One good thing that came out of the tragic assassination and coup d'Etat that took place is that the TSBD is still there, where otherwise, it would have been the same dull and boring concrete buildings by now, should that assassination not have taken place, or somewhere else.
I guess it's because it's just the decorative facade added tot he front of the building that makes it look better than the other drab sides of the building. The part about the Coup d'état was kind of a bizarre "I"ve watched the movie 'JFK' a few too many times" thing to say, it seems.
better description of the package and doubts of it being a rifle, from Wesley years later found here on You Tube by searching for Wesley Buell Frazier. RUclips won't let me put the link here
Read testimony of Buell's sister, Linnie Mae Randle, who had clear view of package when LHO arrived. It was 3 and a half feet long (42 inches) not 2 feet. Buell didn't get a very good look at package & was more than 200 yards behind LHO when he got to loading dock door of LHO.
@@buailebawns2162 how did he not get a good look it was in the back seat for the ride? Also, Oswald got out first ahead of Frazier while he “charged the battery” in his car. He said cupped bottom in his hand didn’t go above should
Lee was 5’”11 170-175lbs
He was also 5’8” with muddier skin than a hispanic Domingo Benevides and curly black hair that had not been cut in a couple weeks and average weight not slender until brother Eddie Benevides was murdered for no reason because he looked like Domingo.
Then he said Oswald was the person he saw and moved to Nevada
Tippit was murdered between 1:04 and 1:07 its on wikipedia and TW Bowley got on police radio after Benevides could figure it out and saw shooting ducked in car a minute or two and Bowley said people gathered around it was 1:10 when he looked at his watch when he called operator
irving tx this is the first ive ever heard irving tx mentioned in the oswald case
All you conspiracy geeks out there please answer this question. Why did LHO wrap plain ordinary curtain rods in heavy wrapping paper too take from Mrs. Paines home too his boarding room? Curtain rods were never found in the TSBD and his boarding house room already had curtain rods. Don’t you all think that LHO was sneaking his rifle into the building and using the curtain rod story as a red herring! By the way, Ruth Paine testified too the Warren Commission that she had some curtain rods in her garage but they were still in the garage when the Police searched the home for evidence!!!
That's an interesting story.
How do you come to grips with the different factions who have different opinions about what Oswald did, or didn't do, on Nov. 22nd? Some say Oswald fired one of the shots. Some say was in the TSBD but didn't fire any shots and others say Oswald wasn't in the TSBD when JFK drove by? Which of these different opinions are correct? Obviously all of them cannot be correct simultaneously. How do you address the myriad differences in the pro-conspiracy community?
the very definition of a mystery ya got right there, vern
@@timberrr1126 absolute fiction
There were 9 shots.
Kennedy was hit 4 times. All bullets did not exit. Connelly was hit twice and one bullet never extracted from his leg. Connally buried with his leg bullet.
Source:
Orlando Sentinel, July 17, 1993
Washington Post, July 18, 1993
TOTALS
4 rounds hit JFK, 2 in the head, 2 in body
2 rounds hits Connelly in wrist and leg
2 rounds miss hit road, curb.
1 .45 round hits grass
1st Bullet fired from DAL TEX building ricochets off road to hit chrome windshield frame leaving big dent. Picture available. 1st Bullet fragments enters Connally wrist and the leather seat.
2nd Bullet Hits Connally in back ends up in his leg. Possibly from Malcolm Wallace TBD 6Th floor or DAL TEX BUILDING. Malcolm Wallace fingerprints were found on a TBD box and stored for years. This was Oswald’s alleged position. Oswald seen having lunch on a 4th fl, lower floor at 12:25 and 12:32
3. Rear entry JFK back from 6th floor TBD. Short shot” Bullet does not exit. Bullet lodged atop his lung. By medical technician at Bethesda. Where bullet is-unknown. Rifle is Carcano possibly.
4 & 5 The 2 bullets that hit Connelly were separate from any JFK bullets. It had to come from a high rear building from 20 degrees or more.
Perhaps rooftop shot from DAL TEX building. Bullets never extracted from Connally. Source: Orlando Sentinel, July 17, 1993
6. Rear entry 5.56mm lower skull or high neck. This bullet came from rear following car by Agent Hickey when he lost his balance while retrieving a locked and loaded AR15 from the limo floor. He accidentally hit Kennedy at a 8 degree from horizontal angle while his thumb unlocked the rifle
Agent Hickey unlocked the rifle with his thumb as he picked it up. His thumb rests on the locking arm.
As the car lurched forward, he pressed the trigger and hit JFK. A lurch forward will drive his finger backward to fire unintentionally. The book “Mortal Error” explains this accident. As he swiveled his body to the rear, this puts force on the trigger finger during this motion. Also he is under stress. He is losing his balance. Also, he was standing on the sloping rear seat. He lost his balance as he turned around to point at the shooter. Try standing on a rear seat while a car accelerates.
The Agents around Hickey went into cover up mode at the Parkland hospital storm drain. This guilt by Agents cause them to cancel the autopsy and quickly get the body out of Texas.
The 6th floor shots were from a higher angle, likely 20 degrees--go look it up.
Read “Mortal Error”
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7. Bullet from Grassey Knoll misses and hits grass or curb, chipping the curb and chip wounds a bystander’s cheek.
Witness of bullet hitting left lane of Elm St, Royce Skelton, see his testimony below. Smoke from knoll seen by Richard C Dodd:
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8. Missed .45 Caliber bullet, "grass tunnel shot" near manhole on South side of Elm St. From North Side of Elm St.
9. Entry high right front hairline 25 feet from the STORM DRAIN. Shooter is Johnny Roselli according to mobster interview-see below.
Shooter escaped through huge storm drain to point west of overpass. Probably using a scoped pistol such as Remington x-100 .221 varmiter round. The .223 round not available quite yet for this pistol in 1963. Bullet is explosive since round is high speed 3200 fps from this scoped 11' barrel pistol.
TOTALS
4 rounds hit JFK, 2 in the head, 2 in body
2 rounds hits Connelly in wrist and leg
2 rounds miss hit road, curb.
1 round tunnels under grass southside of Elm
TOTAL 9 shots
P C Price said he heard 5 shots
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Witnesses to the shooting. At least one was murdered. ruclips.net/video/mJCCW7R2bZU/видео.html
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The photo has not been altered or airbrushed. I will explain why. Firstly, his wife took the shot.
The problem is the nose shadow, it falls straight down on his face to his upper lip. But the leg shadows show the sun to be creating angled shadows. So why don't the leg shadows and the nose shadows match?
This is because the nose shadow falls on a face/head which is TILTED. This realigns the shadow to make it look like it is going straight down TO THE GROUND.. But it isn't.
The head has been tilted so now the shadow has a new position which is straight down ON HIS FACE, BUT NOT STRAIGHT DOWN COMPARED TO THE LEG SHADOWS. It is like moving the dial of a wristwatch instead of the hands of the wristwatch to reset the time.
The nose shadow goes straight down ON HIS FACE. But HIS FACE IS TILTED about 10 degrees. Therefore, his FACE RE-FIGURES THE LOGIC OF THE SHADOW. Explained another way, The nose shadow is not 90 degree perpendicular to the ground, it is aligned with his NOSE, and his NOSE and face are TILTED ABOUT 10 DEGREES. The reason this confuses viewers is because they think of his face/head as being straight up perpendicular with THE GROUND. IT ISN'T. THE HEAD IS TILTED.
IF THE HEAD WERE PERFECTLY PERPENDICULAR WITH THE GROUND, the nose shadow would be angled about 10 degrees across his upper lip, similar to the shadows on the ground in back of his legs. BUT HIS HEAD IS TILTED. This makes the nose shadow go straight down his face, a face which is tilted! Get it?
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Military bullets like the carcano do not fragment because they are too slow and their copper jacket too thick. Military Exception is .223 AR-15 round at 3600fps-very fast
Proof here ruclips.net/user/shortsUItPlfZpxuw?feature=share
*SOUND TAPE OF SHOTS*
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At least 4 shots fired
IMPOSSIBLE SHOTS FROM CARCANO RIFLE
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*CONNALLY STATEMENT*
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*ROYCE SKELTON*
Saw pavement shots from overpass.
First shot from left rear of car pavement
Saw shot to left Lane of Elm st chipped pavement to Tague cheek. From Fence.
He is employee of rail yard.
GOOGLE: Nebula.wsimg.com page 158
Copied: “39 ROYCE SKELTON: eyewitness on the railway triple overpass
“I was standing on top of the train trestle where it crosses Elm Street with Austin Miller...I heard something which I thought was fireworks. I saw something hit the pavement at the left rear of the car, then the car got in the right hand lane and I heard two more shots...I then heard another shot and saw the bullet hit the pavement. The concrete was knocked to the South away from the car. It hit in the left or middle lane.” HSCA Vol. 2, p. 538.”
*SECRET SERVICE SEES TWO HEAD HOLES*
Sees rear head bullet hole; and big hole in rear of head.
ruclips.net/video/4WKpHQkHpXo/видео.html
*JFK HIT FROM RIGHT FRONT*
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*LEE HARVEY OSWALD WAS BORN IN RUSSIA*
He had an imposter mother by the name Marguerite Oswald
LEE HARVEY HAD A look a like
IMPOSTER BY THE NAME OF
LEE OSWALD.
They both shared the same friends
Went to the same high school
Both were Marines
Same radar school
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*PICTURE OF SMOKE IN TREES*
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*BULLET FOUND IN GRASS*
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*MOB DID IT-Gianni Russo*
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Complete explanation.
Johnny Roselli was shooter in Storm Drain
Dorothy Killgallen was 72 person killed
*MOB DID IT*
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@@timberrr1126 You're a total sucker if you buy into all that "Mortal Error" and especially the devious, lie-ridden book, Rush to Judgement - and so many others. Those authors are just taking advantage of gullible people.
@@peterfraser9070 Your cynicism prevents you from investigating facts. So, your opinions are worthless.