2020 Harley-Davidson Low Rider S Review | Daily Rider
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2020
- 2020 Harley-Davidson Low Rider S Review | Daily Rider
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The Low Rider debuted in 1977 and is a long-standing name for Harley. Does this “S” model carry the torch for a sporty option in the Softail line? Zack’s off on a ride to find out.
SPECS:
MSRP: $18,399
Engine: 1868 cc V-twin
Claimed weight: 679 lb. / 308 kg
Fuel tank: 5.0 gal. / 18.9 liters
Seat height: 27.0 in. / 686 mm
Claimed power: NA hp @ NA rpm
Claimed torque: 119 foot-pounds @ 3,000 rpm
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@@ajeetvirk "upgraded".
Hey! Since you are not only doing new bikes. Can we see a daily rider of a Rebel 250? Since it’s a starter bike for a lot of people. I think it would be cool to see the Daily Rider breakdown of it. Also I’m thinking of picking one up since they are in my current price range so I’m a bit biased
POS bike. I can't imagine riding that thing. I damn sure won't pay 20 grand for a POS bike. I hate cruisers
@@upsidedowndog1256 Then why are you here?
@@Magnus0311 because I am everywhere.
"Harley riders are waiving at me, they don't normally do that, I have to wrap my head around this..." best line ever.
I laugh at this because I ride Harley but I wear a full face helmet so I don't get waved back at by the Harley crowd either. It's always the guys looking grumpy who never wave back. Imagine being angry or unhappy while riding a motorcycle, I know I can't!
yes they are,, I remember back in the the 7os and 80s while riding my CBs, those Harley guys would rather kill you than waive,, but ive also can say that the Beemers guys can be worse. now those guys are their own kinda nuts... and personally I think Beemers are nice, they handle well, but there are better machines for a lower price that are more reliable. im not hating im just stating facts.i would feel safer riding across the country on my 07 ST 1300 than a K model of the same year. and yes I can back that up from experience. rubber side down!!!
And it’s so true. I tried waving at harleys for a while, but after one too many grumpy old man-children literally bared their teeth at me, I don’t bother.
See, finally, this is how a non Harley guy should do a Harley review. I'm not into them either but it is a fine line that has to be walked when you do reviews. Zach nailed this. The Harley guys got what they needed out of it and so did everyone else. Also, I like how much effort he is putting into the daily ride review thing.
I agree I hate that all harley reviews are either a harley fanboy gushing over it or somebody hating it just because they hate cruisers and harleys are overpriced. I have a softail that I love I got for $5k I was actually shopping for a triumph but I couldn't pass on that deal.
I feel like most reviews I see that have been in motorcycle press for 10+ years review well. Its mostly vary new and inexperience who do a bad job. Also people who ride many different types of bikes do a way better job than people who ride only 1 type of bike.
I want one.
But I'm not paying that amount of money so I'll just wait a few years and buy one second hand.
What HD did to Million Dollar Bogan is disgusting
@@o-ic5520 meh, that loser deserved it. Why would you want an unfriendly, boorish boomer as a rep?
I love everything about this bike except the price. You can get an insane amount of bike elsewhere for 18k
18k for this bike is good value...
Yep, this is like the Harley bike that doesn’t have the dad bagger look (other than the street bob) and I bet more people would buy it IF the price was lowered.
@@jeremyroe8541 That depends on how you define value. I definitely don't see it in this bike, nice as it is.
Agreed & with more reliability. Harleys will always have the best looking bike. But not for that price
@gemini232003 Haha no, I could afford a Harley. But I also want the best bike for my money.
Their business is declining for a reason, and it ain't because their products are a good value.
Just totaled my '18 Lowrider this past September in CO when I hit a deer on US 550. Had 60k miles on the Odom. I'll miss that bike and all the fun and exciting memories I had on it, but that will be my last Harley. I was in Utah and I found myself more than once on 4x4 jeep trails... don't ask why, BUT it was at THAT moment I decided I'm eventually getting an Africa Twin. And literally 3 days later I totaled the bike... HELLO AFRICA TWIN.
I did 1600 miles in 25 hours of riding from West Palm Beach FL to Amarillo TX. I gotta say, that the stock seat was a fucking monster. Probably the best thing about the bike and I doubt I'll ever find a seat that good ever again. I only started getting really uncomfortable once I hit 1200 miles, I remember just being baffled at how I still wasn't in any discomfort so I kept on riding. I had the OEM handlebars and everything too, and it had mid controls as standard on the base model.
I'll miss that bike, it was fun eating miles with her. Also had a couple of accidents, rear ended TWICE... once at a red light, and once by my best friend on his bike. I crashed it also once before, we won't speak about that... Oh, and my brother side swiped me too in the Ozarks in AR. Good times.
I hope the AT and I get some better luck this time around.
That should be a normal experience too. I hate the assumption that to have a comfortable bike, you need to fix how it came from the factory.
They spend so much time and money on r&d that it should already be basically perfect, with mods just being for people who want something really specific.
Zack, I appreciate the fact that you will ride everything from an old 350 to dave to a Harley. Everyone has their flavor of bikes and what we really need is an unbiased opinion of the bike and its features. The good/bad and everything in between. Most of us who watch these, if given the money and space would own one of almost everything...
I don't really understand the hate on this bike... I came from a GSXR-1000 and bought myself a Lowrider S because I wanted the comfort/range of a touring bike, while keeping the style, and liked the "clubstyle" look. You definitely never lack any power with that much torque (even coming from a 200 hp bike) and the 6th gear feels awesome on the freeway (compared to other cruisers with 5 gears). I'm short so with the mid controls the position is very comfortable, and buying the Saddlemen seat fixes any seat problem you may have (even though I like the stock seat). Everything on the bike feels premium, suspension, brakes, build quality, etc. Price is high compared to naked bikes, but compared to other cruisers, not that much. Plus you get much more range and comfort than on a naked bike. I feel like the people who bash on this bike either are Harley haters / or have never ridden the bike. And remember I come from a sport bike. Not to mention also it's value will hold up much more than any other bike, especially italian bikes.
My 1982 shovelhead has well over 200,000kms on it with the only major repair needed was a broken con rod at about 125,000 km's. Regular maintenance, brakes, oils and tires and still runs fantastic. My sister has a 2010 street bob with 140,000km's and has had nothing other than regular maintenance. Harely's are great motorcycles if you take care of them. Harley Davidson motorcycles certainly make more noise than power but they are great tractors that get you there with minimal tech knowledge and have a distinguishable feeling while you're riding. I've owned pretty much every make of motorcycle manufactured and over 30 years of riding the only one left in the barn is my old Harley. I enjoy all bikes and what they have to offer. From Honda groms to BMW R90S's. Enjoy the knees in the breeze everyone!
Love how nonchalant you are when you thought the bike had died.
I love how it was a casual it's $18,000
Yah, that's cool. I think it has to do with a great level of experience. Notice how quickly he figured out it was the kill switch. Cool as a fighter pilot going through a check list in his head while talking calmly. And how casually he runs those street bikes through the off road sections grabbing grips of throttle and jumping them.
Dude. Harley. We get it. You have an amazing heritage. But what makes this bike cost as much as a car?
The name brand and people who keep buying them at these prices.
@@robertp457 Yep, as well as domstic production and copious use of metal. Still, BMW is getting mid-teens for bikes built in Asia.
The market for them. The predicted demise of this demographic has been on hold with low, low interest rates and local boredom. My area (TB FL) is 80% HD, majority of this r non-waving, straight pipe, zero safety, weekend wannabes/beach cruisers.
@@FLYEAL That las statement is true of sport riders here in Mexico City, so I guess it's not a brand related issue.
@@omarsalgado9715 I live in San Antonio and it seems all the bikers wave to all the other bikers. You guys should move here, it's nice.
If it had Brembos, Ohlins, and more standard electronics, the $18k would make more sense.
for not much more money you can get a Road King, with the RDRS system, it is fantastic. You can get a 2020 police road king brand new for about 18k depending on the dealer (they are not everywhere) that has all the police upgrades on it. just replace the seat to a normal seat. it has Harley branded Brembo brakes, Showa®
Dual Bending Valve, front shocks, and the RDRS system, standard.
Spec PDF:
www.harley-davidson.com/content/dam/h-d/documents/motorcycles/usa/police-fire-shine/police/Police-Road-King-Specs.pdf
I have the same bike dudes, it does have Brembos... lol. No Öhlins however
I will be changing that very soon tho 🤣
Yea it’s 8 grand too much. Lol.
Harley brakes are HD branded brembos.
Not to sound controversial but this is far better than the New BMW R18.
Would totally agree. BMW says they made it purely for homage to some older bike.
But why make a piece of junk that looks nice. Especially for a company that stresses engineering.
Cheaper, Faster, Lighter, better fuel economy, bigger tank, more customization options, AND best of all, better ergonomics.
Hands down this thing beats the pants off that BMW R18, and you can actually get one today. Where as those 18s have a waiting list and barely any of them are being shipped.
But if you want a lowrider S... you can get one, right now.
I suppose the only advantage the r18 has is that it doesn't roast your thighs. But then again, that might be a plus in some peoples books
BMW R18 is a homage/benchmark/inspiration for my 2020 Softail Slim. Loving it every moment
Waheed loved it, and never scraped pegs.
Would love to see a review of the yamaha vmax on the show
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Fair review. I bought a Sport Glide about a year ago and it is real easy to drag pegs, it is heavy, and the stock seat and bars were really not comfortable for me. For me, this was an emotional purchase. I love how hefty the gearbox and clutch feel, how solid the bike feels while riding, how the MW8 feels and sounds. It spoke to me in a way wasn't matched by other bikes I test rode before purchasing mine. I also think its gorgeous. The Midnight Blue color of mine is one of my favorite colors I've yet seen on a bike. After swapping the seat and bars for ones that were more suited to me and adding heated grips (best thing I've ever done to a motorcycle), its become a wonderfully chill commuter bike that I can load down with groceries or spend an afternoon cruising around aimlessly exploring roads I've not been down before in comfort. Also yeah, the gas mileage is friggin great (if you keep it stock).
Your comment in the R18 and T700 reviews on feeling sympathetic to the bike you're riding is spot on, I think. On the HD, for me, the ride is much more about the experience of what is around me than attempting to "prove" something about the dynamics of the motorcycle. I took the bike on a 1k mile road trip almost immediately after I bought it, never went too fast but just cruised around all over the place enjoying (mostly) the sights, sounds, and smells that can only be experienced when riding a motorcycle and you aren't trying to push the machine or yourself.
I dunno. Its whatever.
Really enjoy your videos. You use your personal opinions but then explain why you dislike and like different features. You have the most HONEST views of any bike you ride. Keep up the great job
I Basically wave to anybody on two wheel (and an engine..)... even harley... and even 3 wheel!
Me too, and I’ve gone from Japanese crotch rockets in my 20s to riding a Sportster now in my 40s. I find that most people don’t wave at me. Sports bike riders? Nope. Adv riders? Nope. Other Harley riders? Still nope. Ah well, I’ll keep greeting them.
@@relate5903 lol.
Here in the south, everyone waves no matter what they are riding except for those few 1% you run across.
@@whatsstefon Might be regionality. I live in Seattle and everybody waves, even Harley grumps. 😂
What about scooters?
the only guy on the internet who dares to offroad a harley
It is in Harleys roots. Gotta keep it real lol
You should check out Million Dollar Bogan.
You haven't been around RUclips much huh?
Million Dollar Bogan .... takes Road King places others wouldn’t even dream of doing.
Million Dollar Bogan takes a Road King to Mount Everest, through Aussie Deserts and more. You might enjoy watching him and his adventures.
By the way I just found this channel after a while looking through some of the older stuff that you and Ari were doing. Are you guys going to keep doing stuff together like you have in the past? You guys are by far the best motorcycling team and I was somewhat devastated when I couldn't find you guys for a while, now that you're back together, was hoping for some clarity so I can sleep at night. thank you.
Well done Zack! I can tell it’s outside your confort zone. But good review, serving a new customer and still coming across honest and entertaining
Yessss finally! I need more Courts and Henning dammit Revzilla. Schnell! Schnell!
And don't send Ari and Zack out on desert runs on dual sports with dual sport tires what are you trying to kill these guys already?
never appreciated cruisers till I got a scout and rode it for a couple months. Now I can’t imagine owning a sport or standard bike again. once you experience a low bike that you sit IN long term, it’s hard to go back to a tall center of gravity bike. and I’ve had lots of bikes..
Completely agree. I did 10 yrs on H-D then tried Bmw F800 and Ducati supersport, I can’t be comfy on those for 8-10 hour days. Back on a road glide ahhhhhh....
I disagree to an extent I wouldn't go back to a sport bike but I traded my vstrom on a crusier and that was the worst decision I ever made, back to an adv
@@amagoo100 ADV is the best all a rounder. I have NC700X DCT it’s very neutral feeling. 62 mpg too
@maggietheutubedog As a scout owner do u have an interest in swapping to a low rider s?
Sure I’m interested in trying something new. My scout has flat black factory paint with the oem Batman faring. Shoot me contact info.
The only thing I am looking forward from this channel!
Missed you, Zach! So glad you found a home at RevZilla!
love these reviews. Would love to see if you ever have a chance to do the softail slim and the Ducati Diavlo 1260s?
How about you daily ride one of the big cruiser moto guzzis? I'd love to hear your thoughts on something more unconventional
"If you pick up someone at a bar.. they can take an Uber back to your place." 😂
Ride fender.
I’m 190 and my girlfriend is about 120lbs and she rides with me all the time. Just did a bought a 6 hour ride day. Have the saddlemen step up seat and sissy bar.
Mr.Courts-I truly enjoy your Daily Rider reviews. For the most part, your reviews address my type of riding: As much as Possible! I ride on the street virtually every day and the track as much as funds will allow. With this in mind, I would love to see something added. Can you include some information on cost of ownership (RIDING) and reliability? Thanks for the great moto-geek stuff!!
Damn....you ride my neighborhoods....grew up in PV, and then lived East Side CM forever. Fun to see PV roads via a Harley.
He had his old man get off my lawn moment, I dont need to hear them sport bikes with a pipe on it 😂
I love that Zak's contempt for Harley permeates the entire video 😅
I don’t think Zack has contempt for anything. He’s too nice. A real Vermonter.
Thank you for this review. I like all of your reviews.
I like the low rider s. The dials on the tank, the blacked out components, its just beautiful.
I really hate the gages on the tank. I shouldn't need to take my eyes off the road that much to see how fast I'm going.
@@robertp457 it’s a good excuse when you get pulled over though
Totally agree with the horn. I don't have a bike bigger than 250cc, but all of them had their horn swapped with a dual power tone horn. No one is going to notice you with the original horn. Even the engine is louder than the horn.
You're currently the best motorcycle reviewer on RUclips
Fortnine is also great. I love Zacs reviews but ryan F9 pulls no punches. :)
@@patmclean1951 Agree! F9 is so acerbic & creative. Still, Zacs is local & accessible (please ignore, stalkers).
I think it’s Zac, F9, and Yammie Noob/Spite
Hey Zach, loved this review. Tested this very bike last wednesday - in Madrid, Spain - and your comments just made me feel like sharing a few thoughts. This was my first EVER ride on a HD - been riding for 20 years mind you - in fact it was a buddy who booked me in. You know, in Europe riding a Harley is a "niche" thing, to put it mildly; trying one myself had never been in my plans. Let me start at the end, then: I admit that I LOVED it, warts and all! I mean, it was none of the bad things I presupposed and a lot of suprising good things. Would I buy one? Well, the price over here is too steep, 23k euros, but if money were no issue, then yes, I would have one of these, as a fourth or fifth bike (Trail, then Sports, then Dirt, then maybe a Custom or a Retro). This bike has character, it has good vibes (literally), it pulls hard (loved the direct throttle), it has a splendid front end with a communicative fork, it brakes well, it hides its weight, it feels solidly built, it makes you feel good, it manages to leave a mark in your sensory motorcycling memory. I did mention "warts": 1. the riding position for me was unfathomable, I am 6´3", my legs were cramped up and the bars were too far - maybe forward controls might ease this; 2. the clocks sit on a very unsightly pod; 3. what´s the point of having clocks if you have to look down to read them - dangerous; 4. I was finding myself engaging the right indicator with my left hand - dangerous; 5. the sound is way too muted, a Harley must sound like a Harley; 6. the engine is best between 2000 and 4000 rpm, a rather narrow range; 7. the pegs scrape way too early for the bike´s handling ability; 8. the clocks and switches looked and felt too "budget" for a bike at this price point. All in all, I found the Low Rider S endearingly fun (although after an hour´s ride I needed a physio). Now though, it costs as much as a Ducati Diavel S (try one if you haven´t already)... Still, RESPECT to HD for making this soulful motorcycle - it was capable of surprising and impressing me.
I still don’t understand why they made this or the last one off the low rider chassis. Makes much more sense in the non lowered one, it needs more travel and room unless you are very small.
im not a harley lover, I owned one and really enjoyed it. I will say that Harley has really done well since Willy G did it right, they fixed so many of their issues, the paint work is amazing, mechanical problems have been addressed and they are very reliable. you have to like the riding position and vibration, and many of those guys love it. any motorbike lover has to appreciate the beauty and authority a big twin has, if I pull up on my ST1300 next to a Heritage the Harley would be the show stopper its just a fact, I think we all know what Im saying. maybe someday when I have the opportunity I will own another one and I think id be pretty proud,
Incredible how zack does these videos
Weighs more than the 2020 Rocket 3 GT, surprising.
Surprising? That's Harley for ya.
Not surprising???? Harley= Steel. Rocket= Aluminum
Not really the Rocket 3 doesn't really have a separate frame. As far as I'm aware the fromt and rear subframes are bolted directly to the motor on the Trumpet.
@@gerardmontgomery280 Great point, and a good illustration of a key area where Harley hasn't kept up. The engine used as part of the frame adds rigidity and lowers weight, both good. Harley on the other hand still does the same as they did in 1903.
Looks better then a rocket 3
Do a Vespa GTS!! Love your tours to work.
Different bikes for different riding. Glad you are planning to ride all things for our entertainment and buying decisions. You mentioned HD Sportster many times. One cool thing about the sportsters is the mechanical sound when riding. I didn't get it until I rode it but miss it. Wish I had one just to take it out for short bouts. Such a fun bike in it's own way.
A longer shock will cure most of the ills (laid back seating position, etc.). I'm road testing one this Saturday and can't wait to feel that torque.
Love my HD. They’re exactly what I want from a bike: they have character, comfort, style, and all the power I need. When I ride I don’t need a bike that can do 180+. If I want or go fast I’ll drive my F80 BMW M3. If I want to just enjoy a good calm and relaxed ride I’ll take my HD.
33:58 with the horn, you're hilarious man
Own a 2015 fat Bob and test rode the RK and this bike. Almost took a street Bob out. Like you said the LR seating position is unique. I’m 6ft and my knees felt like they were closer to my chest. The only bike with forward controls that felt like. Not too bad but would take some getting used to. Great review.
Great video! I totally agree with your comments. General public thinks Harley’s are premium bikes but not compared to the competition.
I had a Harley Softail Custom. Killed my back due to riding position. Traded it for the #1 bike on the daily rider list - the Versys 650 LT. Love that riding position too. Moving from Canada to Germany next year and can't wait to tour Europe on the Versys. Great videos!!
Seriously considering changing my iron 883 for the versys 650! Would you recommend it? Cheers
@@patrickheyerdahl5653 I sure would. The riding position on the Versys saved my riding. I was ready to give up riding because of my back issues. Watch the Daily Rider video on the Versys. It made up my mind to change bikes and I have not looked back.
@@BobMcDougall Any opinion between Versys and Honda NC750X? I also loved video and sat on one at dealer but dealer kept pushing the Honda which cost a little less.
We have another Yahtzee.
@@triumphbill I also looked at the Honda. Like Zack mentioned in the video the Honda is a little more subdued. Sportier Kawasaki was what sold me.
I ride a street glide with all the “performance bagger” parts and I can still hit twisty roads and smile but you know when your on a Harley your riding for the feeling of a Harley and not necessarily for sport bike performance. So I think having both is the best way.
I'm in the same boat as you. I have a "performance bagger" and going fast on a slow bike is sometimes more fun than going fast on a fast bike.
The feeling of scraping pegs and floor boards, the feeling of 800 lbs going around a corner and struggling, the feeling of low end torque is the only gratifying feeling they offer -- oh and a light wallet and empty account. I have three of them -- they are all covered up and I ride my Street Triple 765 pretty much everywhere unless I am doing over a few hundred miles -- then I take out my slow heavy 88ci piece of shit Road Glide. It will be replaced with a BMW K1600b in 2021.
@@Lex-Rex I find the BMW to be a bit lacking in the styles department, the Grand America version locks cool from the back in all black, especially with akrapovic exhausts but the handlebar/riser setup looks so unfinished.
The Honda GL1800B in Matt Black with matt red accents tho, now that looks awesome.
Honda really made a good looking design change with that one even tho the luggage capacity isn’t the best in comparison.
But that’s all just my opinion.
Low rider s for longer relaxed trips and my Ducati for more spirited riding 😁
@@ericiglesias4313 I do like the Low Rider S, but I want to get the Dyna version. Problem is they go for over 15 grand and that is a tough pill to swallow. All my HDs are less that that LOL because they are older ones, but they have character. I really want to test ride a Diavel, but am afraid that I would want to buy it and I aint got the green to do it and financing a bike is not on my priority list.
I cant decide if I like your reviews because you are in my hometown. Or if you a just a great reviewer. Either way it's a win for me. Thanks for the videos.
I haven’t ridden in many years but I like that you do follow the rules of the road. You actually stopped at stop signs and didn’t go blasting up between cars at a stop light. Maybe that’s allowed these days, I’m not too sure about that. I liked the quieter exhaust note. The Harley seemed to move out pretty decent from a start. Nice bike though. $ 18,000.00 is about 10 X more than the last bike I bought back in 1969. 1969 BSA Rocket 3 triple 750 c.c. was $1800.00 CDN new.😳😁
Can you do a daily rider for Royal Enfield int650? It is inexpensive, mellow engine and great looking. Makes for a good daily rider competitor
Although its a fault of the bike I'm glad you mentioned the throttle being jerky and that you accidentally hit the kill switch. I've noticed both on my softail and thought it was just me! That kill switch is strangely easy to flick off?!
Love the review! I have the Dyna but the softail LRS is still beautiful, what kind of camera were you using during this ride? Go pro?
lol, poor Zack is being trolled by Harley with those blinker controls. Zack, I bet your left thumb didn't know what to do! great vid as always, many thanks
Zach is the only guy that can get me to watch an entire 30+ minute video on a H-D.
I haven't spent a ton of time on Harleys, other than on the back of my dad's when I was a kid and a few test rides as an adult. My dad wasn't a lifelong Harley rider, just went through a brief phase with them in the mid-90's, so I didn't get the lasting influence of a Harley riding family member in my life. I started riding Honda off-road stuff well before my dad bought his first HD.
All that to set up the fact that the few times I have ridden a Harley, I was neither expecting much nor did I come away overly impressed. Sportsters a somewhat fun given they are "light" compared to other HD offerings, but still slow and poorly suspended. The most modern Harley I have ridden was a later model Ultra Classic. It was surprisingly cramped feeling, but it rode nice, and it was very disappointing in the power department. The most time I spent on a Harley was a weekend on a 2007 Street Glide. I actually kinda enjoyed it, even though that TC96 was an absolute DOG. I do enjoy cruising with some tunes playing and the bike had a nice little rumble with the stock exhaust, so it didn't drive me crazy with noise.
I have ridden a V-Rod for a short time and it seems pretty cool. I have also ridden a couple of Buells, the most recent being a Ulysses. That bike tempted me to buy it, even though I had no use for it. The hopped up Sportster engine had just enough power to not feel too slow and it rode and handled like a dream. I really wish Harley had not axed the brand because I could have seen myself being an owner of one of those.
I am just not a match for the whole Harley mantra and lifestyle and it sounds like Zach probably feels the same.
Own one, love every minute of it.
Whaaaat? Does zack live close to me? I recognized most of the land until he got into long beach and started answering IG questions... Im gona be looking out for him everywhere now, talking to himself doing these cool first ride reviews lol
Yeah I had this indicator learning problem when riding my Dad's harley. Switching them back on etc. You are 100% right you can't use the throttle, brake and turn indicate at once so its dumb having it there
If that's a struggle for I'm surprised you manage to leave your front door without falling over
Love how you guys are bringing over everything people loved from Motorcyclist to Revzilla, Zack and Ari doing daily ride reviews and going on adventures.
So much charisma, and personality.
Instead of saying "For a Harley" compare it to the cruiser category. Is it below or above par for a cruiser in the 700 lb range? I had a 1997 Honda Valkyrie, which is a 1500 cc bike. It had great brakes, very good cornering clearance (for a Cruiser), very good acceleration and it looked good if you liked Goldwing engines not V-Twins. So, "For a Cruiser" the Valkyrie functioned very well, but may have been sub par for looks. Thus, the bike was discontinued after 5 or so years. Cruiser buyers buy on looks, feel, external ego prompting (people waving with thumbs up to them) and just plain LOOKS. So, when doing a review on a particular category of motorcycle, KNOW your audience and review to what they want to hear. Just a suggestion... Thanks for the review, but since you did not review on Cruiser Rider's values, the review lacked in substance. If you don't like Cruisers, don't review them or look for other employment that interests you...
I was thinking the same thing. Cruisers with cruisers.
Definitely a biased review that helped nothing else but to satisfy a crowd of haters.
Loved that it’s worse than an old RZ. My family has a rd 250 and it is an absolute blast to ride.
Your review and presentation is fantastic. One miss in the channel is that I really miss Lemmy and Spurgeon on bikes. Hope Spurgeon comes back again with reviews along with Zach.
Owned a Harley for a hot minute but got bored of its lack of performance and terrible ground clearance and i hated the turn signal setup . Coming from Japanese bikes i could NEVER get used to it .. shes gone now and wont go back ....
I was hoping for your 5cents on the Lowrider S, pleased with the video, thank you Zach!!
I have a different feeling about the bike, althought i only had a short test ride, and riding a mv agusta tvl at the moment, i was really surprised how i fit ergonomics speaking and enjoyable and relaxing it is to ride. I know you more performance oriented rider but would like to know if you did find it enjoyable on more relaxed twistie roads?
Thank you for your honest daily commute review.
Btw, after my test ride, i end up giving my MV as part exchange and now waiting to for my black lowrider s to arrive.
Stay safe 👍🏼👏🏼
Zack I am a huge fan of your show and would really like if you reviewed a scooter like 300cc or thereabouts
Zack ::: Since you almost /// almost , brought up a subject dear to my 70 year old heart . I would love to hear what BMWs your dad had in VT. back in the day .. Guessing a nice R60 in the 60;s or a R 80 in the 70;s or maybe that cool R90s that was that god awful Orange :) . Get an old BMMMER for your route ..What a hoot on the Board ... When you come east and see Spurgian ask him if his Dad had the Blue and Grey or Maroon 75 /76 XS750 Yamaha . Amazing the things you remember listening to you kids talk about your dads bikes ... ..Another old bike that would be fun to try is a simple 1973 Honda 750 /4
Zach....been a fan for a long time...I really enjoy your reviews and I’m glad you and Ari found a new home...
That said....
I love most bikes (and your reviews) but have also been riding and enjoying Harleys for 40 years so I’ve always been a bit bummed they always hit a dead spot in your heart. This was the closest I’ve seen you come to enjoying one, but hilariously you still couldn’t do it. Your R18 video at least granted 15 seconds out of 35 minutes to appreciate the different headspace a cruiser can put you in (noticing houses you hadn’t seen before etc) and I’d say as someone who rides daily myself that I enjoy many reasons for riding (the aforementioned headspace for one) besides just attacking asphalt at every opportunity.
Two things about this review struck me:
1) in relation to the R18 review after watching you grant points to the Low Rider for better cornering, “heritage” considerations, and modest wind protection....you still chose the R18. I love BMWs myself so I respect your personal reasons and acknowledgement of that bias (again, I love your reviews - partly because you don’t play salesman, hype artist, or Mr. Popularity) but...it was still a little bit of a landslide according to your ride impression.
And 2) you even professed to prefer the 2016 Low Rider over the 2020...which I can assure you...you didn’t like when you reviewed in 2016 😂....
All that said, I’d love for you to review a 2020 Road King Special...I just ripped (relatively) my ‘19 RKS up Angeles Crest and the various cut overs to Angeles Forrest Highway etc...and I’d be truly surprised if you couldn’t find things to genuinely enjoy about this bike. I know your heart is pretty hard in this department.
Seriously though, if any Harley (besides a Sportster which I love too btw) was going to move you to new ground...I submit it might be this one....
Please consider this request as I look forward to your review (and possible ridicule)...
Until next time, keep the shiny side up!
Peace!
Cant do cruisers due to the riding position.... Had the Harley Fatbob 114 and it killed my lower back. I agree with what you said on the riding position and interstate riding. Sportbike, naked, adventure is my preference. Another thing I might add is that it is a very difficult brand to get out of if your looking to trade in for a different type of bike. Luckily my Ducati dealer had a wholesaler.
I had a Yamaha Raider and it absolutely killed my tailbone. I am on an Africa Twin and love it.
Ergonomically, when you put you feet farther out from under you the weight still has to be supported.
If they are under you supporting your body, no back pain.
Also more weight on your arms and wrists. ( on sports and supers. )
@@arnoldis24 Ugly
@@Jlewis0201 Ya sportbikes are a workout for sure, with proper training there should be very little weight on arms and wrists. However, I didnt buy my sportbike with comfort being a priority lol!
@@mr.b3168 Looks are subjective
Hey LB, Bixby. My old roads. No wonder everything else looked familiar. Very cool video.
Just tuned in for the wheelie!
One of Zach’s most memorable quotes for me is “Cruisers are a soulless heap of metal”. It really shows in his review here, but what can I say, I agree!
Yep. I will never forget that. Hence why I don't take this guy seriously. He loves his plastic.
@@mr.b3168 I can't tell if you're the typical delusional cruiser rider or if you're just butthurt. Bit of both I'd say.
@@user-cx2bk6pm2f look at the gay responding to every comment
@@mr.b3168 And there you have it folks, the true colors of a Harley rider.. bigoted, immature, and spiteful.
Which video was that in? Of course when you view motorcycles mostly as functional, performance machines, bikes which are massively form over function aren't going to be your thing. I don't mind retro styling, up to the point where it actually makes a machine functionally worse, then it's really not my thing. Doesn't matter whether it's cruisers or cafe racers.
Motorcycle riding positions are based on horse-riding, thus the term “iron horse.” The Harley cruiser position of riding with your feet forward is the American horse riding style while riding sitting straight up is a British horse riding style. Indian motorcycles use both depending on the model. Harley upholds antiquated American traditions & is stubborn to change, but eventually it does. Personally, the forward controls and extended arm position is very uncomfortable & generally dangerous when maneuvering.
I would've thought American riding would be a bit farther back from this ride, but not under the rider, more under the very front of the saddle (still lets you stand up, or lean your butt back and body forward).
This bike doesn’t have forward controls
I always wanted a Harley once in my life had the chance to buy one this summer but i had to decide beteween low Rider S or Streetglide but i come across a 2020 Triumph Rocket 3 GT and ho boy the look on the Rocket the 2500cc in Harley number 152.5 cubic inches couldnt resist so i bought it and man am i glad what a motorcycle there to many Harley on the road but my Triumph is a head turner for sure.Great video Zack
People love to hate Harley, I had a Harley Roadster it ran good, throttle response good, brakes and handling good. Decided to trade it in for an Indian FTR S. Kinda disappointed, fueling is terrible, very bad vibration in handle bars above 4k rpm, tft won't let me change the time. The only pro is more power. Should of either bought the Triumph Scrambler XE Steve McQueen edition or the Harley low rider s, or kept the roadster.
Hi Zack, can you review the Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro please? Regards!
I would like to see this one as well.
Like how you described the pricing. I was choosing a bike and was mostly interested in classic bikes like Triumph Speed Twin, Kawasaki Z900RS, that sort of stuff, and also I was checking other bikes among which I thought Low Rider S is kinda cool... I thought it's priced somewhere close to those two bikes, and then I checked the price - from 23500 euro... when the retail price of Z900 RS Cafe is 13500. It was so much beyond of what I expected. I suppose it's because of the bigger engine? Come on, Ducati Multistrada 1260 cost less than Low Rider S!
"I suppose it's because of the bigger engine" It's because Harley Davidson is trying to be a premium company without actually making premium motorcycles. The Ducati is a much better motorcycle that actually has premium brakes, suspension and other components. .
@@robertp457 Yeah, it's a 158 hp, 129 Nm spaceship with top notch everything, and it's still cheaper.
Go buy the Kawasaki z900rs cafe.
Do it right now.
You can thank me later.
@@michaeltrivette1728 already did that a year ago.
Put some bars and risers on her, a Saddleman step-up seat and stage 2 . A few extra bucks I know but it really transforms this bike into pure LOVE!
@16:24 Lady taking her mini-horse for a walk... Enjoyed this Daily Rider--informative and eye opening.
I think this bike is undeniably cool, but I'm not sure who actually buys it. From riding both the 114 and 107, the difference is really only noticeable to me at the top end (freeway speeds) and this seems certainly not to be set up for the freeways considering the loss of cruise control from the Dyna.
Maybe this grabs the "performance over everything but also I refuse to own anything other than Harley" crowed but with the 114 Fat Bob being the same price I don't see them picking this over that.
Special in this case doesn't hold much value for me, but at the price you can get a TFC Bonneville Bobber... which certainly is special.
Dynas are the bike of choice for people who wheelie harleys, but I have a feeling that’s not their target demographic
I'm a former sportbike rider. I bought this bike 4 months ago and love it. The Fatbob was never on my radar. I wish it had cruise control, though it can be added.
$18,000 before the door. Mhmmmm how else could I spend my money?
New vmax?
I hear bitcoin is a good way to make money
/s
@@redeyedfreaks thats wild huh you could get a new vmax or kawasaki Zh2 for the price of this turd lol
@@justinburtonracing5135 I'd rather get the new R18 for that kind of price
Get more harley parts like the screeching chicken exhaust , blingy foot pegs, arm numbing monkey bar, etc and voila its a 25k bike
Would love to see you on the new Chief Dark Horse next to this and compare actual ride of each, not just read spec sheets like most ha.
Zack you would rock on this scooter if. It was set up. Tuner ; intake, headers, cam. I rode one it rocked.
As an American and a veteran, it annoys me that we always have to make excuses for Harley-Davidson, like they’re the class Special Ed kid.
Yahtzee.
They’re the special ed kid with just enough intelligence to take advantage of the other special ed kids (their buyers)
Some people just don't want to hurt anyone else's feeling by reminding them HD is a second class motorcycle company. They make great looking motorcycle and have amazing marketing and brand presence, but they don't make premium motorcycles they only price them as if they were premium. Are they really so greedy they can't put modern Brembo brakes and Olins suspension on their nearly $20k motorcycles? Geez even Triumph's $12k motorcycle has brand name suspension and brakes.
Too expensive for what you get for a black man or anyone that works hard for that cheddar. Honest video review IMO
I'd really like to hear your thoughts on the Indian Challenger. I test rode one at a demo and I think the powertrain would respond really well to a quickshifter lol.
I just finished riding sport/naked Triumph Speed Triple's. So I have neck issues. To fix it I started riding Harley's. Three years ago. I'm fine with them now. You can develop a taste for them. I'm rocking a '18 Low Rider 107ci FXLR.
Listening to him giggle like a school girl every time he cranked the throttle was amusing. He was having a lot of fun, yet all I hear from Harley haters is how bad the motorcycle is, because they read stats on a stats sheet.
Maybe there wouldn't be so many "haters" if the brand wasn't so full of itself and the spec sheet would correlate to the asking price.
@@sv650nyc7 Apples to apples, Harley is the same price or cheaper than basically every one of their competitors. Go look at the R18's price then the Low Rider S.
Indian, the Darkhorse would be the closest comparison.
The Suzuki Boulevard is a similar weight but is only a 805cc engine.
Yamaha really doesn't have a comparison, the V Max is probably the closest but it is more of a naked bike than a cruiser.
The Honda shadow has a 745cc motor in in, and it is the closest thing they have to it.
Tell me good sir, what specific motorcycle that is an apples to apples comparison, is cheaper?
And if you are looking for touring motorcycles I put together a list of entry level touring motorcycles, because people keep saying that Harley is more expensive than their completion.
Indian Challenger $21,999
Yamaha Star Eluder $22,499
Kawasaki Vulcan 1700 Vaquaro $16,799+ $410 destination charge
Honda Gold Wing $23,800 +450 destination charge
BMW K 1600 B $23,195
Harley-Davidson Street Glide $21,999
Harley-Davidson Road Glide $21,699
Harley-Davidson Electra Glide $18,999
I got no complaints with mine. My only complaints are with the HD's management.
@@Evirthewarrior triumph T120?
@@LuisGarcia-sq5mm That is a café motorcycle, I had someone recommend that thing before, IDK why people keep recommending a café motorcycle when people are talking about Cruisers. The closest thing Trumph makes to a cruiser is is the Bonneville Speedmaster and the Softail Standard is in the same price range
Speedmaster $13,150.00
Softail Standard $13,599.00
And the Softail is putting down 110 ft-lb of engine torque the Speedmaster is 78FT-lbs
Zach, the type of guy to confuse everyone by using turn signals on a Harley. Probably the kind of guy to use turn signals in a BMW too.
I always rode sportbikes and I always said I would never buy a Harley, until in 2018 I checked out the new soft tails. Now I ride a sportglide. ABS, traction control, cruise control, self cancelling turn signals, surprising amount of power and handles well. Not just for a Harley, it rides better than the Honda I traded in. Really is a premium bike. Didn't take long to get used to the feet forward riding, with a 27" seat height there is no way you could put your feet under you. This is the umpteenth reviewer I've seen that will show something good but have to add that they hate Harleys. I don't care for the guy who puts straight pipes on just to hear himself, or the investment broker that rides on the weekends and thinks that makes him a badass. But they aren't Harley, they're just the obnoxious people that get your attention. Take a test ride, the new soft tail sportglide will surprise you. And wear a full face helmet, half helmets are pointless and you still don't look cool.
The throttle on my old man style M8 Heritage was also snappy like that. Noticed once I uploaded a new map from the screamin chicken tuner (“stage 1”) it smoothed it out. Also noticed the increased in idle from 850 to 950. I dig the Softail low rider s but something about the Dyna version makes it cooler 😎
No it doesn’t, I feel like softail has better handling than the dyna version
I watched this purely because it's Zack, not my kind of bike. And Zack tried so hard to be nice and very gentle so the cruiser crowd didn't get all riled up :)
Just like the sport bike riders cry when someone hates on the insect bikes.
@@mr.b3168 The difference is the Harley is real crap.
@@user-cx2bk6pm2f another harley hater.
@@mr.b3168 It's the condescending smugness of HD riders that drives the hate. Seeing guys getting ripped off by a predatory company isn't cool either. This should be a $10,000 bike.
18k is a lot. *stares in MV agusta and Ducati* :D
And you actually get premium components on the MV Agusta and Ducati.
Ugly bikes
Ask the general motorcycling public in Europe (except Italians) what they think or heard about reliability when it comes to those brands.
I really do love the looks of those bikes and I am always tempted but I have met a lot of ex owners of said brand’s and their stories scared me out of owning one.
@@A_Ride_To I own 2 Ducati and tge low rider s. Never had a problem with my 2 Ducati. Had a 2014 696 and that one was sometimes worry some but the new models are miles ahead and I trust them well. My monster 821 has over 30k on it and ive never had any issues that would keep me from getting another one.
Lmao mv Agusta. Gtfo.
Zach in the near future can you do a review on a Kawasaki Vulcan, vaquero or the voyager? Love your content.
I grew up riding metric bikes and later years ride Harleys owning one currently and I agree with you concerning the blinkers!! I love one switch on the left as opposed to the harley! Keep up the good work Zach!! Oh,go ahead and say it, harley riders are willing to pay stupid money for harley motorcycles because I feel like that's what I've been doing
You even managed to make a uninteresting motorcycle entertaining thanks again 👍
I have this bike, traded in my MT09 for it. No regrets. love it. You can fix every single issue you complained about. which is what 100% of people do that buy these bikes. bars / handlebars / seat / pegs / literally everything. makes the bike perfect
18k and you have to fix everything?!
Lol
Yup
Thats Hardly Ablesons business model.
@@JT-et7ui Nothing to fix, bike stock is fine. just everyone is built different. make it how you want :)
@@michaeltrivette1728 cool
Why on Gods green Earth would you do such a stupid thing? MT09 is the best budget naked out there. It brings 10x the smiles compared to a tractor.
I was sitting next to a new Harley a few months ago and was shocked that it was a Harley because of how quiet it was. I was impressed. So many people hog out the baffles in the exhaust on them, it sounds awful.
I have been riding more or less sporty bike all my life of which the last 3 were a Yamaha MT-01 (great bike), a Ducati Streetfighter 1098 ( beautiful and fantastic fast bike) and a Yamaha MT10 (very fast and good handling bike). Sometimes I was thinking about what a Harley Davidson would ride like.
End of 2018 I did some test rides on Harleys. A couple of sportsters, a Street Bob, 2018 Fat Bob, 2018 Fat Boy.
In March 2019 I traded in the MT10 and purchased a new Fat Boy. Like it/love it very much. This bike is so relaxed to ride. I do not need to going screamingly fast around corners anymore.
That doesn't mean I would not like to have a Ducati V4 SF or Panigale in my garage to ride and just to look at. Next to the Harley that is.
I don't think any one coming from a non Harley will buy a Harley based on your review. To be honest I myself don't get to influenced by reviews anyway. I just buy what feels right to me and looks good. And the Fat Boy does that.
BTW, getting acquainted with the turn signal buttons was sooo easy.
Congratulations on your purchase. You just bought one of the best scraping motorcycle money can buy. How anyone can go from an MT10 to a freaking Fat Boy just blows my mind. Pretty sure that MT10 can cruise just as good as a HD. I cruise on my 765 Street Triple all the time and I own a second gen Fat Bob and it just sits collecting dust since I bought my Triumph.
Why does it need a tank? I thought a lowrider don't use no gas.
HD's are so over priced. 18k for this thing? Really? Should be like 13k tops.
Awesome video, thank you very much for testing this hog! I was very curious to see how an HD would be ranked. (And lame horn indeed, BTW)
I had a Suzuki s40 with the dash on the tank also. I felt nervous every time as a new rider (less than 1 year) looking down to check my speed and signal lights.