My Guitar Students in 1997 vs Today (and how it got so bad)
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2021
- My Guitar Students in 1997 vs Today (and how it got so bad)
Let the "OK Boomer" comments rain down on me! haha. Seriously tho, after teaching guitar for close to 25 years now, I just had to tell my tale of how my students went from loving music to wondering what they loved in a relatively short time. But there is hope. Just watch. :)
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My man makes a 14 and a half minute vid holding a guitar and doesn't play a single note. What a power move
based Art of guitar
*noted
He sleeps with it on. The guitar doesn't come off, not even during sex. This is the rule.
It's a guitarist thing. Talking about music without it feels like being naked.
LMAO
This is actually a bit heartbreaking... Listening to a record, while reading the lyrics and drowning in the album cover, is one of the best things in life.
Yeah....WAS...one of the best things in life.
I remember poring over every TOOL album liner I ever bought looking for all the hidden messages and words and photos and being amazed at the talent, artwork and mastery of feeling. Those things dont' exist anymore...
Your comment nailed it for me too!
Second only to crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you and hearing the lamentations of their women.
album booklets used to be very well designed
@@Detman101 i mean they do u just dont do it anymore whats stopping u?
what i dont understand about this video is that this guy looks, now, like he's in his 20s but he was apparently teaching guitar back in the 90s or whenever
I was thinking the same thing frfr
Half Asian, genetics always win 🧬
same like what age is he 😭
Music keeps you young!
probably in his mid/late 40s now. started teaching when he was late teens early 20s most likely.
I think the disillusionment is the result of option anxiety. Music students in general want to pursue several lines of learning which is compounded by impatience for results. Their attention gets divided and it's not just relative to music. People of all ages want to express themselves but have difficulty selecting an appropriate medium. In reality, I've had students who just picked up guitar lessons by default but soon realized that they really weren't interested in guitar or instruments. They just wanted to talk over options and ideas on how to be creative which is legit. However, being ethical I didn't feel comfortable taking money for lessons that I was not giving. Some of the students were cool paying me to show them how to use DAWs, edit videos, setup websites so that was cool. Just know that when someone comes in and claims to be interested in lessons, it might be lessons on finding a creative direction. I just try to be patient with it.
The first few sentences describes my whole guitar journey. I just had too many options. One day I was interested in blues, then rock, neo soul, jazz and whatever else. The other reason also being that channels like this dont really set you up for success unless you buy their programs, which I couldnt do back then.
My brother, an adult student of bass guitar, just wanted to learn the instrument. He didn't have a particular direction that he wanted to take it, so he finished Book 2 of the method, then went into Book 3... To a certain extent I think it's just a technical exercise for him. Also important that he doesn't have a community of musicians to play with. If the people he knew played blues and they said come over and jam, he'd be happy to do that. But he also hasn't been going out looking for people to play with, so some of that is on him. He could play better than a lot of the bass players out there, but his standard is Les Claypool.
You sound like a great teacher
I absolutely agree with all of that.
This is incredibly valuable, thank you.
Mike: "So, what kind of music do you like?"
Kid: "Wait, I like music?"
That's a funny comment, but also sad. I've met more young people lately that have absolutely no interest/love/understanding of music at all. I grew up in an era where music was a staple of everyone's life.
@@jonnyroxx7172 It makes sense. It's hard to get into music in the 21st century.
@@burpie3258 It's certainly harder because of how easily available music is. On one end of the spectrum, with streaming services, people can just be content with what's popular and stick with the bubble they had always been. On the other, you can easily find yourself unattached to artists, switching between niche genres.
@@jeffreytanner6206 I agree but also on the other hand, anyone can now potentially find many more smaller bands if they care to look for them (or the RUclips algorithm randomly recommends them), whereas back in the day, every band needed some business person to approve of them to bring them anywhere near the public's eye. I don't know if this all culminates to more positives or negatives for the smaller bands, but yeah it definitely is interesting to think about.
I've definitely seen some of my absolute favorite smaller bands rise up and end up with millions of views on their music videos which I never really thought would be possible, so I'm still personally more inclined to say it is more so positive, but I don't know if that's really the overall truth or just my singular experience.
@@jonnyroxx7172 i mean i'm 14 and i have played guitar for 5 years but i still don't understand nor care about music enough to understand music. I just like what the beeps and boops in music sound like and I want to be able to do it on my guitar because it's fun and hard and also i can brag and i get compliments. I also don't have a type of music I only like, it's more like what type of music I listen to now and what i listen could easily change in a week, month or a year. Right now I listen fast paced jpop but about year to two ago i listened slower western music. And for example for about a week to a month i listened to vocaloids and not any other kind of jpop. But i still like almost all kinds of music and i can enjoy almost all songs. And i do still love listening to music when reading, i just don't care about understanding.
pretty crazy you've been teaching guitar since you were 5 years old
Lol, that's good
Mark will always look like he's at least 28 lmao
We all know that isn't true.
He just happens to be a vampire
@@marvintimke3978 or Dorian Gray.
He drinks the blood of his students to stay young.
It's interesting how the internet caused music to become more disposable and less passionate for a lot of people, but for me it was the complete opposite. I was suddenly able to discover new music in new styles from all eras all over the world, look up the credits of musicians and see what else they played on, chat to people about music no one I knew in real life cared for or knew about. I pirated obscure music over P2P, and I still had dialup all through the 00s so it was a real committment to do that. If all I was ever able to do was listen to CDs I had bought of music I'd heard on the radio, I shudder to think what I'd be listening to now, and how much of a different person I'd be without having these musical journeys.
The problem IMO is there's just so much to filter through. The shit on the radio, is shit. So you pretty much have to do your own digging through the mass of shit to find a few diamonds.
Exactly. I think it’s easier than ever to get into music with it all available online, and with communities to discuss it with people around the world (Reddit, rym, forums, etc)
The problem is that there are more options, but there is less focus. You don't sit and get to know a band in depth. Also, there were plenty of ways to find out about alternative music back in the day too.
It’s the same for me, I have discovered so much music I love that I never in million years would have heard without the internet.
@@Spectre-wd9dl when you find a band you like, look up what label they’re on. Chances are there’s more good stuff on their roster. If not, find out what festivals they play/played. Check out the bands on the lineup.
"It almost felt like music started becoming a little more disposable" man, that perfectly fits my sentiment regarding my music experience the last 15 years.
Not a little more, a lot more.
You don’t look old enough to have been teaching for over 24 years 🤣
I’m waiting for my AARP card to show up any day now. 🤣🤣🤣
He started teaching when he was in the womb (he's 24)
He looks 24
I was thinking the same thing. He looks about 30 to me. lol.
@@TheArtofGuitar Hey smarty pants, that's not funny!!
(I'm not that old yet either)
Outstanding breakdown of the small technological changes that profoundly shaped the musical experience over time. Excellent video.
True. I ask my sons ‘have you listened to any other tracks from [this album]?’ It never occurs to them that the song might be from an album/EP
@@samxday Because they probably don't even know the "concept" called "album".
fascinating video. Stupid Apple products
You can't just cut on TV and find music, they have to make finding it complex
You basically described why I started buying records again. We are taking music for granted, and records make me fall in love with music again.
I definitely like have hard copies of the music I love.
@Frenzied Unicorn Productions I kind of dislike having to select songs, to be honest. Playing a CD @ work & having to spend time pressing a button repeatedly & waiting for the disc to actually read is pretty lame. Playlists are great, but, you can't have them with all that audiophile-flac-analog stuff. Someday, perhaps.
I also started buying physichal music again, and music has once again become fun. Plus I am buying real hifi gear again, I forgot how good music quality sonded.
Also, I would like to think more money goes to the artist when buying cds or records rather than ending up in Apple's or Spotify's pockets.
I'm a 30 year guitar teacher myself and this is exactly my experience, save for the RUclips presence. One thing I'll add, the way that kids engage with extracurricular activities has evolved since the 90s, to the point where they have zero social autonomy. They're safer now, but they have no time to experience the freedom that leads to a deeper appreciation of rock-n-roll rebelliousness. I actually think this has had as big or greater impact on the way they listen than the evolution of tech.
Hip hop and shit is also more popular now unfortunately
@@lunderman7413 Are you implying hip hop wasn't popular in the 90's?
@@JohnSmith-qb1gw it definitely was, but we don't have the same hip hop that we used to. It's more rare to have a song with a really good riff
@@lunderman7413 IT is popular for that reason as well.
*devolved
Most depressing: Students whos parents want them to learn because it'll look good as an extra skill on their University application in a few years.
Ya I hate the bullshit
lmao its already happening in India
Yeah, I hated learning shit that got me laid. Such a bummer.
I mean I highly doubt "I play guitar" is something you can put on any non music related university, just saying. There definitely wasn't any "box" to input that into when I submitted my application, nor do I think they would have cared one bit, unless again, I was applying to a music university (which is also doubtful that many parents would suggest/encourage that unless they had a very solid musical background).
@@JaysonT1 Guitar doesn't get anyone laid anymore lol. Making shitty generic trap beats does
i can only imagine some kid coming and saying "Hey Mike, can you teach me the Lil Wayne guitar solo?"
LOL
The lil wayne guitar solo is legendary. Few can master the art of ninja tapping
I remember trying to learn that Fred durst bs because it sounded hilarious
or nick jonas guitar solo
Stevie T anyone?
Waaait a second, so you're not 22?
I just learned that Micheal J. Fox is 60. That's my cue telling me not to guess how old somebody is.
i’m 15 and have loved music all my life. seeing all these comments about how sad it is that record stores aren’t around anymore makes me nostalgic for something i never experienced!
That's okay, that's just part of generational movement overall, and it's cool that you even feel and sense this experience you feel left out from... In many ways, the rapid trajectory of change in the media forms of music that Mike was relaying is itself partly a function of "Moore's Law" (look it up). ... But it was magical and many indie films captured it...
Just as a snapshot of how radically different music dissemination and distribution was, in the 80's when I lived in L.A., Tower Records on Sunset was the largest repository of music in the nation, of all genres, all eras, and it was crossover time where they had to stock not only vinyl but also CD's. They knew everything, and would special order all kinds of things for customers of all ages--- from music long out of print, which they could source, to a new film's musical score that wasn't released in the US for contractual reasons-- and may not get released for another year or two, if ever. They'd order it from overseas and when it arrived they called you!
For example, avant-garde film music composer Vangelis scored numerous big films for the major studios, shot & produced in both US and UK. ... Beautiful music that you could not even hear anywhere other than at a movie theatre because even "Album Rock" FM Radio stations would never play an hour of music composed for film... Led Zeppelin yes, they'd have a weekly 2-3 hour show of just Led Zeppelin music. But if the movie score was not released in the US for territorial distribution rights reasons, that that was it. You would practically never get the chance to hear that music ever again -- were it not for places like Tower Records who had enough clout to special order it from the UK or Japan! ...
You can for sure be wistful for days gone by, but keep in mind that during that same period of time movie rentals were still being distributed via VHS videotapes, while DVDs were just starting to ramp up. Trust me, you would never miss "those good times" watching a film on VHS !
Just keep following your interests in music, that was an awesome comment.
@@quicksite Dvd is a digital imitation, not a real movie. Live video is able to transmit the atmosphere somehow, which digits cannot. All so called "cinema magic" gone with digital fake (which is the second reason of movie industry's downfall in terms of oeuvre; the first one - internet piracy, which devalued the movies to the level of dirt beneath the feet). That makes sense - how can one encode this special kind of magic into the sequence of ones and zeros? Blasphemy! And that's right - it cannot be digitized; only graphic information can be imitated with digital transfer, leaving very important part missing. Maybe there's no difference for you - whether it's digital or live - for me, however, it's the substantial point.
@@Simon-yq3bc you're talking about the digital clipping right? How there's no such thing as a sine wave, it just approximates one. Is that what you mean or are you referring to persistence of vision? ...
I was commenting to the young man about some of the transitions in delivery systems over the last few decades. But ultimately I was commending him for his love of music.
Your kind of screwed napster is dead
"Sehnsucht" might be a more appropriate word than "nostalgia".
I think a lot of kids love music, but listen to so many different kinds of music due to how accessible it is so when you ask them "what kind of music do you like", they don't know how to respond since it can't be narrowed down one or two genres.
This, many people nowadays are flipflopping between all kinds of cultures and subgenres. You see it in other communities as well on the internet
THIS!
This is definitely me. I have insanely eclectic taste. I love Reggae, punk, metal, Midwest emo, trap, dancehall, Drum n bass, pre-skrillex dubstep, surf Rock, free Jazz, techno, and vaporwave all about equally, and I generally find a new song I love every two or three days.
Yep lol I have a hard time answering that
Absolutely! And the existence of niche genres having been propped up by the expansion of the Internet has made this even more of a thing! I mean, 80% of the time if I tell someone I listen to “vaporwave” or “futurefunk” they have no idea what I’m talking about!
i dont know how people dont listen to complete albums these days. when i like a sog on spotify most of the time i would look the album up and listen to all songs.
Haha, you're right. When I like an album, I buy it on CD. When I get the CD, I "waste" the whole day listening to it 3 times over all the way through. Love reading through the booklet. Can't do that now with spotify.
I hate Spotify so much I’ve deleted it twice and swear I will never download it again, it bothers me so much that I can’t find entire records on it, I prefer physical copies too. I’ve got some Ep’s, LP’s and 45’s that I listen to more than CD’s because my CD player in my room broke years ago😂
There are plenty people who don't even listen to a whole song these days, let alone an entire album. People look at me like I'm from Mars when I complain about non-gapless playback ruining the effect of albums which have a lot of segues (eg side 2 of Abbey Road, Dark Side Of The Moon, War Of The Worlds).
I also know a lot of people who listen to approx. the first 20 seconds of a song (even their favourites) and then skip to the next track. I don't understand that - it definitely feels like listening to music is something a lot of people say they do rather than something they actually do.
Having said that, is there really any value in listening to more than 20 seconds of Justin Bieber/Ariana Grande? 😁
I'm 17, and only listen to complete albums for the most part. I know many people my age who just skip from artist to artist, not finishing songs (which drives me nuts.) I feel that many people miss out on the true purpose of a song and just stick with a beat that's catchy. Giving a track the context of an album really shows it's function in a greater piece of art.
Take for example The Wall by Pink Floyd; Another Brick In The Wall Pt. 2 might be catchy on it's own, and everyone knows it, but once someone hears it in the context of the album, the experience is entirely different. It can make a connection and be a memorable piece of music, rather than being just "That catchy, rebellious song by Pink Floyd."
I started taking lessons in 1995 so this video brought back a ton of memories.
Young bass student here. Before I even started listening to "music with guitars" and such properly, there was a long period of time in which I daily listened to electronic music (this was around 2014-2018). When I started paying attention to all the music I had previously glossed over, I found I liked bass, and decided to pick it up and attend private classes after about a year and a half of further cementing my interest in "music with guitars".
At this time, I was just barely aware of the concept of albums, and didn't think listenings to songs other than the hits was going to lead to anything interesting. I was also very unsure of what bands and genres I really liked, as everything I listened to was basically random and up to whatever youtube recommended me to listen/re-listen when I loaded the site.
So when I attended the classes, there wasn't anything I particularly felt attached to, and just decide to go with whatever my teacher thought might be interesting for me or useful to learn a technique. But as the teacher didn't know much yet (not even I knew myself when talking about what music I liked), I would generally just be ok and not very excited about what he suggested me, and just saw it as training material.
Then, one my friends who started buying vynil albums around that time, asked me what albums I liked. I had no answer. It was then and there that I realized I might want to start listening to whole albums: that changed everything for me and helped me find amazing songs I wouldn't have, and also discover new genres.
(Sorry English is not my native language, I hope it wasn't too hard to follow)
Dude awesome comment and your grammar is some of the best I've seen/read
Dw Bro you did great
Ummm.... Music without guitars is not music... It's called headache noise
@@jrhayes6901 what about classical/academic music
IMO getting into bass and guitar from electronic music gives you a really good foundation in rhythm and timing.
2000 kid here. On the one hand, im glad that i grew up nearly completely divorced from modern music, but on the other hand i'm pissed that my "only bands from the 60s and 70s are even worth listening to" mentality kept me from finding a lot of my current favorite bands a lot earlier. I'm also just completely hopeless when it comes to modern classic songs and artists from my own generation, and that is a little depressing.
look into Vulfpeck, they are almost from your Gen. just slightly older LOL.... the kids born in 2000, will make the music of the 2050s... long way to go ;) .... I was also a kid in 2000.... Been mad at the music industry until I stared playing bass at 15 and got into true rock and jazz, soul, prog etc.. .
another 2000 kid here lol, i feel that on a spiritual level. there are a lot of modern artists i listen to but not too many in the rock genre. would recommend greta van fleet and rival sons though! you could also check out spotify, some of their playlists have turned me on to a lot of newer artists you might enjoy
What do you consider "modern classics" !?🤪
Same
Check out Jun Fukamachi (Spiral Steps, etc) and Masayoshi Takanaka (Rainbow Goblins, White Goblin, etc)
70's and 80's absolute GEMS I didn't discover until this year and I'm the SAME age as these golden greats.
Oh! and Youssou N'dour! OMG an album a year for over 40 years!
Back in 2002 i was 14 and when I walked into my first guitar lesson I had a list of 3 songs I gave to my teacher that I wanted to learn. Fade to Black, Johnny B Goode, and freebird. We choose fade to black, and ill never forget watching him play it like it was nothing, it was effortless. I was in awe. I'm 33 now and still play, but for whatever reason, to this day I've never even looked up a tab for freebird and never learned it.
Now go do it.
I remember just playing around with open chords on the guitar one day and wound up playing the Free Bird opening progression lol you could probably do it too ;)
For the solo chords do power chords on e and a, on frets 3 6 9
Lmao I really like that you were safely steered away from free bird
Dire Straits or Metallica? They are both good and each has incredible guitar playing in their own way.
I’m 17 and I still love getting CDs, it’s kinda sad how they’re not being used very much at all. It’s so much more fun to get a Cd and listen to the whole album 😔
Why CDs? You can literally listen to entire albums on Spotify. If you’re going to shell out the extra money for physical copies (which is absolutely fair, I do it because I want to own my music), get vinyls. CDs are pretty terrible formats nowadays, they’re less clear than vinyls, they skip, and for, like, two of them a month you can download lossless FLACs through a streaming service and get literally vinyl-quality music.
Forgive me if this sounds like an “attack” or whatever, I’m just genuinely confused as to why anyone would go out of their way to want CDs.
@@veryscaryreaper8883
I buy CDs instead of vinyl records for a few reasons. They're much smaller for one, which is not ideal as far as album art is concerned, but is a godsend if you're limited on space. CDs are also far cheaper than vinyl records, at least older albums, both used and re-released.
I have no idea where this idea that CDs are a terrible format comes from. I've never had one skip and I've never had a CD scratched so badly that it didn't play, which seems a common misconception. Unless I suppose one uses an extremely low quality CD player with awful error correction... but even then the issues shouldn't be that bad. I find them far more durable than vinyl records. Even used CDs that were scratched were repaired with a bit of sanding and polish, but they had to be really bad to even need that treatment. If a Vinyl is scratched or even just worn, you're not repairing it.
I don't want to get into the debate of does vinyl sound better than digital or not, but you say that CDs are "less clear than vinyls", yet also say that you can download lossless FLACs that are "vinyl-quality". Professionally pressed CDs (read: pretty much everything that isn't a crappy home made CD-r filled with low quality MP3s) contain digital lossless music. You can rip one and in theory (often the mastering is not the same but that's beside the point), get the same exact data off it as you would get from lossless streaming services. So I'm honestly confused at where these ideas are coming from and think you may just be misinterpreting or misremembering the format.
And honestly I'd much rather have two CDs a month that I actually get to keep forever than pay for a service which doesn't even have everything I listen to and frequently removes music because of licensing issues or exclusivity to other platforms.
@@veryscaryreaper8883 I don't have a record player in my car. I do have a CD player.
@ippos_khloros There is definitely a difference, just because you haven't got a good ear doesn't mean other people can't distinguish it.
Just buy both!
Personally, I had a tough time in my first lesson because I was not how to articulate what I liked and I felt insecure about my favorite artists because I felt like I would be judged. I felt ashamed of perhaps choosing stuff that is to difficult or modern. I had a panoply of stuff that I wanted to talk about but I would rather prefer the teacher to instruct me and chose a path for me that was to my liking after some try and error. This helped me to get into other genres instead of sticking to stuff that I simply wanted to learn .Great video!
Yes. I like weeb trash there’s no way I’m going to show up at guitar lessons and say “Yes sir, I’m going to learn the anime OP to love live teach me sensei”
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yeahh this is a point that i also had-- it's that ppl also had growing insecurities that affect even just choosing what to be excited about, and they want to choose the perfect song and the perfect start to their new hobby, soo it often ends up defaulting back to what they think might be more acceptable
I like how when he said "here are the basics" he instinctively pulled a G Major shape
can't go wrong with that one... once you get the G down you can jump into the C and F chords. I like to start with E minor, then major with the extra finger, then take that down to A minor... then i'll get into the G chord
C G, F and Am can play tons and tons of songs haha. it's very fitting
@@Ferrichrome replace f with a dmajor and you got tangerine by Led Zeppelin plus thousands of other songs😂
I still remember being 10 years old having a friend say 'put your fingers like this... that's a G chord. Play that for a while'. Then he walked off. I really hate this 'method' of teaching music, just telling people to put their fingers in a shape with no context. It wasn't til probably a decade later I actually learned what chords actually are and how they're constructed. The fingers are the least important thing.
folk
The Internet: Curse and Blessing at the same time. You can find any information you need, but everything is getting so fast-paced.
And short-lived because you don't have to take care of digital things.
It’s honestly why I hate it. It controls so much of our lives, from the (mis)information we get, to the new hot thing, social media trends, etc...and it’s so addicting for a lot of people. They just exist on the internet. It’s sad.
"everything is getting so fast-paced"
......aaaaaand you sound like an old man ;)
@@lobmin he aint wrong tho
fast-paced and shallow, very shallow
One big thing I'm glad my guitar teacher did, is he would make me listen to full albums. 1-2 years ago a family friend wanted me to play Voodoo Child by Jimi Hendrix, and my guitar teacher told me that part of my practice that week was to listen to the Electric Ladyland album in full. And since then, every time I want to learn a song he makes me listen to the full album the song is from, which is very fun and I find some gems I've never heard of. And it started me off with actually learning about the music I like, beyond just listening to my favorite songs
because for some reason listening to Brian May teach me how to play guitar for 40 minutes is surprisingly calming
And the part about parents showing their kids music is true, my parents were always showing me bands like Queen, The Eagles, and Metallica. And rediscovering those bands from my childhood helped make me actually passionate about playing music and learning about it
I can't believe you used The Eagles and Metallica in the same sentence, as in they are two examples of the same thing. That makes me feel so old!
When I was younger, I would listen to random songs because I didn't own albums and I grew up in the Napster era. Plus, back then I was into hip hop.
Now that I have access to Spotify, I usually put on albums and listen to them from start to finish. In fact, I usually do catalogs of bands before moving on to the next, even if I've heard it a million times already.
I love discovering new bands and expanding my horizon.
I love music!
This is why I'm still basically stuck in the 90's. We used to carry around huge books full of CD's and play them on our detachable face car stereos. We were still physically connected to the music and knew exactly what we were listening to. Good times.
Lol that was the early 2000...in the 90s we had tape decks that we used a diskman with a wire tape in. Some guys had five disk changers but in the 90s it was kinda rare.
I'm still there myself, my friend. And I miss my old black dog, she was great. Black Sabbath Matters. 😉
My CD book is still in my car and is still used more than the radio.
@@Cannibal_Actual I still have my Yamaha five disc CD changer hooked up to my home stereo but haven't used it in years. It's like a museum piece at this point, sitting behind display glass, an occasional curiosity for my two young children.
ur name is a led zeppelin song
One reason they might not know what songs they want to play on guitar is because guitar is no longer one of the main instruments in popular music.
It is for the good music.
Replaced by the ukulele???
Thankfully it's still heavily there, at least
Hmmmm being a guitar player for 50 years (yes, I am old...but I am very good at it now)😉.... I really, really Hate modern popular music...because the guitar has disappeared. Long live Joe Bonamassa....for keeping it alive.
true, pop music is a lot closer to edm than rock nowadays
This is really fascinating insight and hits the nail on the head. My adult kids are both capable musicians and very grateful for their exposure to us boomers' music during long road trips when they were young. They still listen to and play great music from the 70s and 80s, together with their era's stuff. Hopefully the algorithms in streaming apps will help remedy the lack of in-depth appreciation of "non-hit" album songs. We are spoilt for choice now - it's also a great time for music in the sense that we can easily get hold of just about any artist's music.
The algorithms actually destroy what you are hoping they show them. Friends are how you learn about more music, not algorithms.
My friend started teaching a little while back, first thing he told me was how confused he was by the majority of students having no idea what kind of music they liked, or even why they wanted to play guitar in the first place. Just felt strange to us haha.
The reason I think is because that music is so much more available now, you can pick and choose between millions if not billions of song in any streaming app so you never stick to one band like we used to back in the day
Exactly. It's the same thing as when everyone only watched one news show with Walter Cronkite or whatever. It's not because they actually loved Walter Cronkite and it's not because every single person all just loved Pink Floyd or The Who or whatever, it's because that was *all they knew*. Now people are just much more able to discover other things so it creates more ambiguity and uncertainty
It might be because my dad is a musician so I was taught to appreciate it more but I’m 17 and tend to only die hard fan over certain artists or bands at a time and I’m usually only into one artist for awhile and my friends always told me I was weird for it
While I think that's true, I didn't live that era but I can imagine buying a CD or a vinyl and sticking to it and slowly build a collection (I have some cds, vinyls and cassettes), I think it also comes down to the type of person you are and how you see music yourself. I'm 25, I still like to download music instead of using streaming services, my library is huge but I'm as romantic about music itself and the thousands of bands I like as people used to be. But again, I think it comes down to the profile of the person, and I'm one of those music nerd kind of guys, while there's people out there who sees music casually.
@@Montanajj I am just like this, I’ll focus on one particular artist so that 50% of the music I listen to is them. Ill start slow knowing 2 or 3 songs but eventually know whole albums, and just dive deep. I went from eminem to late 90s early 200s rap in general (I’ll focus on a genre sometimes) to Green Day to weezer to nirvana, and lately I’ve been getting into Pearl Jam
So you don't know any good youtubers? There are so many! Yeah you probably know their channel names too. Not really buying it.
The classic burned cd with cake songs on it called “cake mix”
Never heard of it
Classic! 😂
I had a burned cake cd - no wait, a burned cd with cake songs - but I missed the opportunity to write "cake mix" on it
@@JaysonT1 I’m pretty sure it’s just a joke. If you have a mix CD with songs by the band Cake, you can call it a “Cake Mix” and amuse yourself with the pun.
reluctantly crouched, at the starting line
@@footygoodness engines pumping and thumping in time
Parents, I have a great tip that we've been doing for about a year and half: Pick and artist of the week and tell your kid all about one of the best bands or singers or composers of all time. 52 weeks in a year, you're going to get a lot of culture in that little sponge of a brain.
We focus on the roots of American music, starting in the ragtime period, through Blues, Jazz, Rock, Hip Hop, Electronic, the whole nine yards. But even if you only like Metal or Country, you can still teach your kids about so many artists if you just take the time.
Don’t do this let your kids find their own music if you force your kids into listening to certain music they’ll resent it
@@chiefskeefs505 kinda like math, science, social studies, reading
Get where I'm going here? Ehh hmm school... 😅😅 I think if the person's kid hated what their parents where doing with them the parents wouldnt force them to listen to it and study like homework! Its not a bad idea at all I loved the music my father listened too wish he was more knowledgeable and vocal about it. Point is everyone is different you don't know their kids for all we know they love it. Music is however quite subjective and I'm gonna sound a bit hypocritical but exposure to good music for a kid ain't much with all the money grab crap they push now. Always to the next "hit" to keep steady $$ flowing in opposed to passion. Why not go the extra mile with it if they enjoy it and maybe they will see through the bs and be thankful of the knowledge and life lesson at that. Who knows maybe they'll pick up an instrument and find a passion and if not so be it and they can find it elsewhere.
I'd like to think the person commenting this and anyone taking it seriously for their own kids has enough common sense to know if its a good idea for theirs or not rather than someone that doesn't even know them.
I think even we "oldsters" that grew up combing through liner notes and learning everything about our favorite records aren't as likely to do so now. It's the combination of the formats we listen on, the devices we're always hooked into, and also just the vast array of choices we have at our disposal. We couldn't pickle in the juices of our very favorites like we once did. There's just so much at our fingertips. And the playlist/channel version of listening naturally makes things blend together and become indistinct. It's rare to meet people today who really sit down and listen to whole albums. I don't even do it as I once did. Shrug. Times change, then they change again. We'll see where it takes us.
My thoughts exactly! And it's not just the availability of digital music. I first used my own money to buy a CD in 1994, and after that I've been collecting CD and vinyl up to this day. Before that I listened to whatever was in my parents' collection, or the AC/DC albums my cousin taped for me. Early on, after getting into buying the music myself, the collection size stayed manageable, and before internet you had to read up on bands from the magazines, and the liner notes. Also, I had a lot more time on my hands (and fewer distractions), to devote to music.
As time went on, my wealth grew and the passing of time got quicker. Now it was easier to buy records, and also easier to not really get into listening to them properly. Over the years, I found myself thinking "What's wrong with me, do I even like listening to albums anymore?". Like you said, we're spoiled for choice these days. I still listen to, and enjoy music but there was a long period in my life, that not a day went by without really consuming music, with myself or with friends. These days it's more and more periodical, even though I have a sizable collection of physical records, and access to all the digital stuff too. And I don't even have kids!
I'm annoyed that digital formats (at least digital download formats if not streams) have so much potential to have all this information, and not even just in a digital booklet, but embedded in the tags of the file itself, and yet they so rarely do. I was really impressed to download some Weakerthans FLACs from Bandcamp and find that the full lyrics were in the lyrics tags of the files. Never seen anyone else do that though.
I understand what you are saying, we don't because it's not as available through the new medium... But wouldn't it be cool if every song had a tab that linked to the liner notes or cool shit about a song... I think people would connect to a song even more if they knew more about it, or how it was made.
Studio engineers used to be super competitive about having credits on the album. I wonder if that is still the case when there are no liner notes?
Im 15 and i started playing guitar about a year ago and with that came a deep love for music. A couple monhs back I started collecting records and i feel like its made me love music even more and its also allowed me to hear more songs from artists I love.
Same, man! I've been playing for a year and I'm called Luca aswell!
I started when I just turned 16 now I just turned 17 so ye its been just a bit more than a year. I too fell in love with music but only bought 1 record because they are expensive as hell.
Also 15. I collect albums- CDs are my shit. the guitar is so awesome, and having the albums is just sick. albums make me so happy idk
I felt the same for my personal experience :
- thanks to youtube, I can listen to countless playlists of unknown artist or type of music, which is very fun and interesting, but...
- I hardly remember what I've listened. I make a lot of playlist not because I want to listen to what I've heard again, but because I'm afraid losing it forever. At the same time, I don't recall any songs name. I love Franck Ocean, I've listen to all of his album, but I can't tell the name of any songs, and I can hardly remember any of them
pink + white is memorable no?
This. And I love that youtube gives you the GIANT variety of genres. Like the sheer amount of different types of rock/metal genres that are unique is INSANE.
But I think that stops people from staying with a song. And listening to it, over and over, and growing attached to it the way you would listen to an album in the past. And then stick through ALL the songs. And as a Gen Z kid, I think this is what made something as stupid as Rock Band so special to me. You don't have DLC, you're stuck with the songs you got, and that's why to this day something like Iron Maiden's Run to the Hills and Mississippi Queen is so special to me. Same with Rocksmith, a lot of the songs I first played, I'm very attached to because I spent a lot of time with them.
But I do also think that a lot of music that plays on the radio that exists nowadays is just not unique enough to be memorable. Quite frankly, aside from a handful of songs I have trouble recalling anything in the past ten years at least anything that's pop. I also can't tell you any band members except like maybe two. I know a handful of artists off the top of my head.
Put in some effort. The artists deserve it.
If you cannot name a single song, I think saying you “love” Frank Ocean is a bit of a stretch. That or you should consider getting checked out mentally.
I had this sad realization when I was hanging out with people last night when someone offered me to "DJ" for the group and I couldn't think of a single song I loved that I figured other people would like. I used to be so obsessed with the bands I listened to and I felt proud of my ability to find great music. Now Spotify tells me what I like, I make playlists on there, I don't know most of the artists' names or song names. And when I'm hanging out with people I have no idea what to share. One of the greatest loves of my life has been automated to the point of losing a huge percentage of what I loved about it.
Stop streaming and buy physichal music again, your passion will reignite. At least it did for me.
Congrats on teaching in the late 90s/early 2000s and not blowing your brains out trying to get the tone your student wants out of the Line 6 POD they got for Christmas.
On a serious note this is a fantastic retrospective.
Man those Pods were something. hehe
I don't think that people don't have the love for music anymore, it's just that there is so much music available now that is hard to get focused on specifics. It was great to have your own album collection and know each one of them by heart because that's all you had access to. Now I listen to different new things every day and hardly any of it sticks.
not really, at least in my case, I'm 16 and I got addicted to heavy metal, know all the story of metallica, megadeth, iron maiden, all the albums, a lot of songs... and sometimes it even feels that I can't listen to anything else because their music is so unique, kind of an opposit effect of what you said. I don't knwo man, people these days really seem to have lost their love for music
@@jabiliuson1270 I used to be that way when I was around 16 and into the punk rock movement. Bands like sum 41, blink 182, the ramones, green day were all I listened to on repeat. Then I turned 19 and got into indie and edm and then hip-hop and I found out that the world of music is so diverse if you limit yourself to one genre you’re doing yourself a disservice. Only Listening to one specific genre says nothing about how much you love music in general, only how much you love one specific kind of music so really I don’t see how you can conclude people have lost their love of music today based on the fact they don’t know the specifics of a band. it’s the music that’s most important, the bands and musicians are mortal they’ll perish eventually but the music they create will remain. The artist is always secondary to the art.
@@jabiliuson1270 you have no fucking clue what you are talking about kid
@@nephtaliistratoaie6687 nah i like to follow artists' careers
There has always been a lot of music. Something else is going on with the world and it ain’t good
And then theres me, who could name any song from a band, it's members, and their complete history as a group, but has no drive to learn guitar
My daughter discovered old good music like Queen, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Jimi Hendrix, Prince, Deep Purple and so on thanks to manga and anime. She is a huge fan of *Jojo Bizarre Adventures* where the author Araki sensei, puts a ton of reference to hundreds of great rock stars. She has a nice collection of 2000 and 2010 CDs, even if she prefers streaming music.
Surprised to hear king crimson is there..... that's not a band I hear the name of too often
@@jomama5406 that's because there's a "stand" (some kind of living weapon) that is named that way in jojo's bizarre adventure
I hear a lot of these stories from parents. The influence Japanese media has had on the current youth (myself included) is hard to overstate.
@@Phoenix-pj3dr not just the stands, but also the characters or things the stands can do are often references. There were many references to music before stands were introduced. There are a few hundred different music references if you tota references in the original as well as changed references in translation due to copyright or other licensing worries.
I asked one student what music she liked, she replied "I'll ask my mother". I realized that I didn't want to play solo anymore when, after playing an up-tempo rocker, I was asked "Can't you play anything fast"? The nail in that particular coffin was when a girl approached me, my guitar in my hand, and asked if I was the DJ. It's a different world out there.
What the hell kind of vegetative cro-magnons live in your town, lad?
About 10 years ago I saw a girl walk up to a booth to register to vote at my college and when the person running the booth asked her what political party she would like to register as, she said, “hold on I have to ask my Dad.” Then she whipped out her cell phone and called her dad and said, “Daddy, what party are we again!?” That’s when I knew this world was done for.
wait ... so you play the music on this "gah tar" thing instead of the mp3? why?
@@Nobddy Triablism is still very strong, how could you expect otherwise? People perpetuate immoral, ritualistic practices for -- well, the tribe. Unconsciousness is the downfall of our collective experience here on Earth. Use your healthy brains, people & keep them healthy..
@@Nobddy You register under a specific party? What the fuck kind of system is that?
I miss the days of flipping through cassettes and CDs and a music store looking for something I wanted, buying a shiny new album, then taking it home and obsessively consuming it for weeks.
It was a weekly ritual for us. We'd get in my buddy's Camaro and hit the record store on Tuesday (IIRC), when all the new releases came out
I miss this as well. I used to kill time at best buy or wherever music was sold and just go look through racks and racks of CDs and have a bunch in my hand then see what I was actually going to buy.
@@cpfs936 Recalling my heady teen years in the early 80s... the local record store became a destination, one of few cool places to go before we got our licenses. It became the center of a social scene. Going home with the new Police or Pretenders album (and maybe a cute girl's number who happened to be checking out the same sections you were!), taking them over to a friend's house and listening to every track- ...yep, in order- and for me at least the liner info and cover art was essential! Still a fan of a lot of those groups today because of those experiences.
How do you miss it? You can still do that, that never went away. Just cause thats not an activity as popular as it once was doesn't mean you can't still do it lol
As others have commented, it's a choice. I used to have my CDs all boxed up because they're all ripped to the computer and I can stream them anywhere in the house, but I recently got them all out and made a listening area for physical music. Nice vintage receiver, decent speakers and headphones, a good CD player and a turntable. I still pay for Spotify and use my home music server, but when I feel like just listening, I'll go put on a CD or record. Once I started doing that I found myself grabbing a different CD every few weeks to keep in the car when I didn't feel like fooling with my phone or a thumb drive. But, I also know what you mean. It was different when that's what everybody was doing. It's also hard to accept paying full price for a new CD today knowing it's available on Spotify or some other service you might even already pay to access. On top of paying for internet and a mobile phone, which we didn't have back in the day. I still buy new CDs and vinyl for my favorite bands to support them. For bands that long ago broke up or died I'll look for their used CDs if it's something I want to add to my "listening station" collection.
Thanks for sharing man. Nice listening to you.
Wow i did knew you are super into guitar and music in general but man i was not expecting girsh dai here wow .. my mind is blown
this video found me at a very interesting time, I’ve been thinking about this very subject for a few months now because I’ve noticed it deeply within myself. During my teenage years I was all over every detail of every band I liked, I would memorise their entire history, the order of their discography and everything about how they existed as a band. Music was so deeply attached to how I understood my emotions and made sense of the world, it even at one point became so fundamental to me that it actually helped me think much clearer. And now, 3-5 years later I’ve become completely detached from it, listening only to hits as you mentioned, not having more than a vague memory of what I would listen to before when im asked about what I like and I generally just don’t engage with music the same anymore. It’s like music was an important person to me before and over time our connection became severed and we drifted so far apart from each other that we’re now left as online friends who occasionally check in on each other at a very surface level. I used to play guitar every day and want to be a musician and now it’s been so long since I’ve felt compelled to play that I do think I’ve completely lost the ability to do it. Not to be depressing here and I’m sorry if Ive brought the energy in the comments down a bit but I truly did feel seen by the issues highlighted in this video and I still haven’t found a way to reconnect to this passion of music. Just needed to let it out I guess. I do think it must have something to do with how our attention spans change over time especially as a result of technology, maybe if we hadn’t grown so reliant on it for everything things would be different.
Love this comment. I totally agree. Luckily it’s not too late to curb our tech use and find ourselves again. It’s hard to convince others to do so but we ourselves still can to a point.
@@TheArtofGuitar I hope so, music is like this crazy colourful river of life and endless inspiration and to lose access to it fully both for me personally and for future generations as a whole really would be such a profoundly sad loss. While I’m unsure how exactly I’ll find my way back to this river I do really appreciate this video and our small discussion on it because they really helped me crystallise my thoughts on the matter in a way that makes everything I’ve thought about and felt feel much more like an active and tangible concern rather than an abstract passing feeling of mourning of sorts that hangs over some days. Thank you, I’m glad I’m not alone in recognising this feeling and I think the first thing I’ll do tomorrow morning will now have to be throwing on an old record in spirit of this conversation and actually sitting down to listen to it in full. Thank you once again and good luck to all others like me who wish to rediscover that original connection!:)
@@SHINOBIKAZ I feel exactly the same. When I was in my teens I was completely obsessed with music, I'd listen for 5 or more hours a day sometimes, stayed up til the early hours practicing guitar... around 2016-17 it started to wane and now I only listen to music once in a blue moon. I hope it comes back one day I don't really know to bring such a return about.
Damn another sad young adult I see haha jk. But I feel similar, tho I still listen to my favorite band and I would say it’s the only music that doesn’t get boring after a while, even tho I’ve played the songs endless times. Still I haven’t felt as excited as I used to about it and no other band or artists have come close to the passion I felt for it, this a bit of a lame comparison but I’ve also noticed I haven’t fell in love hard for anyone as well I kinda think is related idk but the emotion I used to feel towards people was kind of similar to my feelings for music and even tho I have crushes now I low key feel I force myself to say I like them more than I actually do, which isn’t saying I’m lying I just don’t feel as attached (?) I guess.
The part where you say music was how you processed emotions felt identical to my experience, I also used to wake up feeling the need to listen to a particular song similarly to craving a specific food.
Even though I have a similar experience to yours mine differs in that when this band got back together and I saw a resurgence in the fandom (mostly with fanart and music essays here in RUclips) I got glimpses of how I used to feel and dare I say I felt more driven to work in the stuff I like, I also saw them live which gave me like a pump of energy, still talking with my therapist I told him I was sad I wasn’t as excited for the concert as I was daydreaming about going to a concert of theirs when I was a teen, I felt like I betrayed myself.
I think just like falling in love you don’t really control that, it just happens and the fact that it did means it’ll happen again, you just can’t force it, so maybe just enjoy the music you enjoy and someday you’ll find that that hits different.
I’ve also heard people saying that they still listen to the same music they heard as teens, so maybe you develop a taste in music that doesn’t evolve much when you become an adult.
I remember being a teenage student back in 1997 - it was that same year - and my guitar teacher asked me to pick any song of the top of my head so he could teach it to me. I couldn’t name a single song. I looked like an idiot who had never heard music before. At this point in my young life I had already started collecting records pretty seriously and my mind just flooded with music but I couldn’t catch a single fish in the rushing tides.
I think that part of the issue was that I would marvel at the techniques and compositional skills of some guitar players and think, “I want to play like them” but it didn’t narrow itself down to any one song. I didn’t want to learn to play “that solo”, I wanted to learn to create and play “solos like that”. Also, I didn’t really care for solos, but that’s another story.
Another issue is that I wasn’t always sure that what made a song enjoyable to me was necessarily the guitar. I definitely overthought the question and have been overthinking it to this day. So the 2021 image in the thumbnail finally caught up to me.
Happy ending: I did eventually take a copy of Let it Be in to class and asked to learn to play “For You Blue” which required buying a slide.
I have several bass guitar students who have absolutely no idea of any bands or music they like. I can't imagine trying to learn music without listening to music.
That was me growing up. I didn't listen to music and was being taught classical piano. At the time i just didn't feel it at all.
It's a funny thing. People want the image or skill before the love. Love of music is the only reason to pursue it imo.
You just have to have parents that force you somehow.
@@Madchris8828 same
I have young students who also don't listen to music. Every week I play them new music during their lesson. Every week I ask if they've listened to any and they say no.
Granted, I didn't start listening to music until age 11 or 12, and that was because of Guitar Hero.
Guitar Hero (I’m 25) literally transformed my love of music and I have been obsessed with music ever since
haha me too, I started playing because I saw my family playing it when I was little
Thank guitar hero!
I believe this is an important document of the last 20 years and a generation of not only music but culture. Thanks for making this.
Videos like this do a great job of reminding us that there is new music being created every day that will speak to someone. I am 51, and my greatest pleasure is seeking out youtube covers (usually solo or acoustic) that capture my feeling for the songs when I originally heard them. The state of the music industry will probably prevent me from coming in contact with MOST of the new gems that come out. With that said, there is more than enough music out there to be fulfilling forever, but every new song that gets created is an addition to the world. When it comes to music, the world can only improve, and never ever take a step back.
My generation just gets overwhelmed by way too many music to be honest. I discovered Tommy Emmanuel at some point and really liked his arrangements, i just decided, "this is gonna be what i love," Because i know if i don't decide any earlier it'd be too difficult to think of any other favorite.
Being inspired by Tommy Emmanuel is like going to the Olympics and being inspired to run after watching the 100m world record breaking gold medalist. Tommy is an absolute beast. Absolutely beautiful music but like this video was suggesting, it's definitely a generational thing and I have my parents to thank for taking me to a Tommy Emmanuel live performance. I have this feeling I wouldn't know about Tommy just through top hits put on RUclips recommendations...
It's also easier for casual listeners to get tons of music. They don't have to buy anything.
Casual listeners used to have the radio, and the occasional CD.
My student wanted to learn a Godsmack song. The entire thing was just the low E string percussively.
which song is that? I can remember most their first four albums but nothing that repetitive comes to mind.
That's me. Which song is it?
I stand alone
@@jocaa666 Bad Religion?
1st album was so easy that even as a beginner worked whole album out in an hour or 2..
None that match this description...but think I remember one on 2nd or 3rd album that was pretty much like that....when the singer started also playing guitar..
Man… I’ve been a music teacher for about 6 years now, and that moment you talked about with your students not knowing what they liked or even why they were there is my every day and it breaks my heart over and over. It makes me want to give up, yet simultaneously I feel like “if not me, who else?” Every now and then I can get a student to listen to a whole record and we can talk about it and it’s obvious they have been craving something like that, they just didn’t even know that was out there.
This is a perfect description. We started teaching at the same time. I started teaching part time in 1997 while I was at Berklee and full time after I got out in 1998 (plus gigs, etc). I distinctly remember each phase you mention. I personally loved Limewire.
I had a couple tricks I used to get students "more into" music & guitar. During first lesson of each student I gave them the homework of "write down 20 songs you want to learn. No limits, I don't care how hard it is or if you think you'll never be able to play it". It gave me a base to start from because often they didn't know what they liked and it was frustrating trying to pull it out of them. Looking at how you describe your experience I realize that this made students think a bit more deeply about what they wanted and also made them learn who the bands were.
Also I always had the biggest screen I could find & had a setup where I had my computer, a PA & a keyboard setup. Keyboard mostly for drums/rhythm but also to explain scales in a way that makes sense because it's more linear. I had it setup so they could play loud and feel like they were playing w/ a band.
Last (for this comment) after RUclips arrived I often did what I called "field trip lessons". I'd pick a video to watch for the lesson & then dig into it. Always something I picked, not them so it could be anything from Jimi Hendrix to Yngwie to Guthrie Goven (can't remember how many times I watched "Bullet Blues"). This way I could introduce them to influences/artists they might not otherwise hear/see. I hated when phones started coming to lessons. It was hard to scroll through, rewind if I was trying to learn it for them, etc.
You're dead on re explosion of video/RUclips. Once the community widens you realize there are more ridiculously talented guitarists than ever.
Great vid!
4:36 Jesus, that image is the most late 90s thing I've ever seen.
Steal my sunshine.. guilty pleasure 😁
lol i love how they put ricky martin on the last track... they probably debated whether they should add it or not, turns out that song holds up to this day... it's actually a banger. i heard it recently and it made me groove.
Bangers. All of them.
Junior high, summed up in one picture.
Not even Lou Bega cares about Lou Bega's second song.
I credit Fenriz from Darkthrone for introducing me to a number of great bands. He had an awesome radio show, about an hour long of different metal/rock bands from all over the world.
Fenriz is such a huge frothing nerd for metal. Like he happens to be in a band that was very influential and popular among certain circles but that's basically secondary to his fanboyism of hundreds of other bands. He's a cool dude.
Great video. I also think it's so important, so essential that people don't give up on new music. New music needs a market to grow and survive. Buy CDs and records, see you're local bands, support new artists. You may not find any new artists you like on the radio, but they're out there! For the longest time I thought Ireland's only Reggae album of note was Sinead O' Connor's, but I've since found a handful of Irish Reggae bands and I'm buying as much as I can, because the only way to see the music you love grow is to put your money where your mouth is!
Great video! I was born in '91 and distinctly remember the phases you describe since I was an adolescent and learning guitar myself those years. I've been teaching guitar myself for several years now in different settings, and I can definitely see a lot of what you are saying. The musical landscape has definitely changed. I'll admit I I don't listen to albums the same way I used to myself. I've been discovering music through a network of music-loving friends, so I am still discovering new music, but it's not quite the same as it used to be where I had a handful of CDs that I listened to over and over and over again, really digging deep.
I'm 18 and for a couple years, I was also using massive playlists and unsure what I liked, but a year or two ago I found a couple artists I fell in love with and now I never use playlists and mostly just listen to albums from front to back. I'm so much happier with my music taste now and I agree, it's so sad to see people nowadays who have no love for their music, hope something happens in the coming years to revive that way of thinking in some way.
Yeah the more accessible free music has become, its harder for people nowadays to keep a long enough attention span to really take note on what songs or bands you actually really like.
i don't have a problem and i'm super eclectic.
It's not that we had the liner notes to read while the CD played... it's that we had ONLY the liner notes to read while the CD played.
There was no superhighway (now, there's a throwback term! Circa 2000!) vying for our every scrap of attention, our every waking thought.
No wonder music has become vacuous and superficial..the fans don't have the patience to sit thru a 3 minute song without doing 4 other things at once! How could they possibly absorb deeper meaning in lyrics..? Subtlety and nuance in the music artform..it all goes /whoosh!
No wonder music went from the profundity of Pearl Jam..to the innovation of Linkin Park...to the smut of Carrie B...
@@lueymeteora1410 I get what you're saying and agree, but it's not like there weren't smutty songs back then too. Remember the Thong Song? Or even Baby Got Back lol
I think that most people just listen to stuff in the background, people don't often actually listen to they lyrics, the guitar or even the bassline. For the life of me, I can't understand why a lot of the people I know like the music they do, without any actual instruments in them. When you passively listen to music you don't even know what you like either
That’s one of the reasons I gave up trying to be in a band
I think i lived through most of that moments you talk about.
It was a few years ago when i remembered that most of the time the "best song of an album" when you hear it the first time is great, BUT will wear out very quickly. And one of the songs you didn't quite like at start became my favorites i can hear for decades without decending joy.
So i started to hear full Albums again - denying myself any skip-button until i heared a song at least 10 times. If i didn't like it by then, i'm allowed to skip it.
I worked with many young ppl and it was always a sad moment when i asked them "what music do you hear" and the answer was "everything". And if i asked for some examples, the next best answer was "what runs on the radio".
But there were positive moments. I remember i let a student behind in the car for a few minutes and told him to select some music for our next drive. I came back and he selected Judas Priest. I told him to lower the volume a bit - his answer was "but - that's priest, you can't hear priest on low volume". Still smiling as i remember that.
Thanks for this interesting first-hand breakdown of trends that you've seen in music. When I was a music student in university, I TA'd for an American pop music course for non-music majors. Most non-musicians I've discussed music with lack the basic literacies in western music (i.e. terminology, understanding of harmonies and melodies, etc.) and aren't equipped to actually say what they like and why they like it. Additionally, given that we've outsourced so much of our headspace to our phones, it seems logical that names of musicians that younger folk are into follow suit. I used to know all of my friends' and family phone numbers by memory and now we just save their numbers and never have to dial and learn them by muscle memory. If you no longer have to physically pick up that album or CD and put it in the player to hear the music, that opportunity to develop that memorization is gone.
I play drums and my old teacher had this pained look when I showed up for my first lesson and said “I’m not sure what I listen too.”
I’m pretty sure that day is when I started critically listening to music and now I can tell you artists I listen to daily and my favorite genres at the drop of a hat. Never again am I letting a teacher down like that.
Same thing happened to me. 🥲
Never had a teacher but I know what I like and want,
It's sad how for people my age (im 15), they take music more like as a side thing, like oh ill listen too music while i work or something, not actually taking it by itself and not being that interested, and just having it like background music
And them not being invested in the music
but that's completely normal, everyone has different interests and not everyone must treat music as their passion. There is no harm in listening to chill music in the background when studying or working. Moreover, making such music still requires talent and effort
@edit: no hate tho, I agree with your point - there used to be more people being passionate about music, but hey, they still exist! :D
The music industry is just a lifeless, corporate shell that never inspires.
15 + 40 here! ;D Indeed very sad to hear. You seem pretty alert though, please dive into our rich music past! Thinking back, my own music passion and -choices were something I could almost define myself through. Already looking back (when your age), and made my own choices. Drawn to SO many 60s/ 70s bands, but early Genesis are one of my beloved bands, where I knew e v e r y sound (a lot).. and still do. Recommended!
So true
Sad story, at least you were able to reach a wider audience. I quit teaching in the 80s and am thinking about getting back to it. I hope my experience is better! I had a lot of fun with students bringing in cassette tapes at that time.
This is a very insightful video. I'm truly blessed to have fallen in love with music and writing in 2007. Before that I went through the CD, LimeWire, Mp3 Player, iPod revolutions and even as a young 27 year old man I never went through a period where I didn't know what I liked. Recently I had an urge to take a trip to the past and invested in a vinyl record player and bought some records. It's just a completely different experience than anything I've ever had. Thanks for the great video man. Really puts the changes in this world into perspective.
"He loves music. At least Green Day." Haha
"...music become disposable...". This is a very good point.
This comparison of the ways in which different generations enjoyed their music is really insightful. I can take it back to the vinyl era, having been 15 in 1970. I was like a character from Ray Bradbury’s Fahrenheit 451, able to recite and sing (poorly) every lyric of every song on essentially all of The Who, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, and a few years later the core 7 Moody Blues albums (yes, I was somewhat schizophrenic in my range of rock tastes). Great job, just subscribed to this channel!
Thank you for all those years, and for teaching us now. I hope I’ll return from war alive and finally continue my process as a guitar player. You gave me a tonne of inspiration. I’ll totally subscribe to your site, because I need to know all of it. Thank you.
I like this era of music because I can just go to Goodwill and find a cd for $2 instead of paying full price on Amazon. Lol! My CD and Record collection is massive.
Me too. I’ll flip through hundreds of dirty CDs at a pawn shop for the hope I’ll find something worth buying. I’m still really into CDs.
Nice! Full .wav quality too so you can decide the level of loss to .mp3 or, if you have space, FLAC.
Yep. Discogs tells me I'm at 691 individual releases. That's my treasure hoard.
I have around 2000 CDs I love physical copies
I never get enough money for CDs i always spent that money on videogames or skateboards and shoes
As a youth pastor I'm constantly trying to feel the pulse in terms of music that my kids/students are listening to, and I would agree with your observations. Nowadays, kids are more interested in "the vibe" rather than a specific song or artist or even genre.
I hate the word vibe. So many of my peers just use it as a cop out way to describe anything. Like tell me what your really feel, “I love the vibe” is not adding to the conversation.
@@matthewbeach2952 you are killing my vibe dude
@@brynion2117 yeah honestly these guys are not passing the vibe check... on an unrelated note I'm gonna go listen to chill vibes compilation if you wanna join
Hey thank you for this awesome video. Its really cool to hear you appreciate all the viewers and players such as me. You really remind me of my first guitar teacher with your humble, sincere but kickass attitude! The web really did open up a lot of opportunities as individuals move further away from one another into their atomized spaces, but through the passion of music and playing guitar these cells are infuzed and brought together upon popluar demand. Rock on!!!
Thanks for sharing your story, it gives a very interesting insight and timeline of people's changing attitudes towards music.
Funnily enough, when I was a kid, I'd listen to mostly music on the radio (or what my parents listened to) so I back then was not remembering the names of artists or songs if I didn't catch the MC on the radio stating them. Now however, with Google etc. I have virtually extended online "liner notes" and have learned more about music and backstories than I ever have before, haha.
Also, watching your videos, I was thinking you're about my age, but when you said you started teaching in '97, I had to do a double-take, because I was 11 in '97. Whatever you're doing man, keep doing it! If music keeps you youthful, keep on rocking!
This is true for everything. Look at the way we consume movies. All of us became so damn indecisive over which movies to watch when we browse through Netflix. This is totally different from holding a copy of VHS or DVD case, reading the description of the movies, while you’re in blockbuster.
I mean, a big part of that is how much more choice we have. And if on the one hand that means more crap to sift through, it also means more hidden gems to find
@@catStone92 That would be the optimistic way of thinking , but I believe we became indecisive and therefore most of the time we settle on nothing.
That is and kinda isn't true when I was younger 15 20 years ago before internet took of, I would watch any move I see on TV so many of the great ones I already watched tons of times, so now it kinda is hard to find movie that wows you especially with dumb superhero avenger movies.
Pretty interesting 🎸
You got alots of subs
BaltimoreAndOhioRR why do I keep finding you everywhere lol?
@@ReadingAreaRailfan stalking me? 🤣
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I know your channel!
Back in the day as a kid I had to work to get anything I wanted. Buying a cassette, cd or vinyl was a big deal and you thrashed it, you new all the lyrics and shared it with your mates. You played it so much you got sick of it until you played it 10 years later and loved it again
Man, it's almost like you've lived my life. I started teaching guitar in 1997 as well. The exact same journey happened to me. Unfortunately, I missed the youtube boat. I tried making a few videos, but it was far too late to make a difference. After leaving teaching in 2017 and going back to a job, I quit that job in 2021 and went back to teaching. It is all very generational now. My youngest student is 8-9 years old, and my oldest is in his middle 70's. Thanks for the very vindicating video.
1999-2001 Napster-era Mike: This is great! I have all this access to music!
Lars in uncertain downbeat: AM i A JOKE to YOU?!?
Well, in the end Lars was right...
@@__Diego__Aguilar_ Lars is always right
@@__Diego__Aguilar_ was literally about the type the same thing.
@@__Diego__Aguilar_ on both counts..
@@__Diego__Aguilar_ not really. It just moved elsewhere.
This makes me sad. I’m 24, definitely part of the guitar hero/RUclips generation, but still old enough to remember having a deep connection with CDs. I remember walking 3 miles in the oppressive 115 degree Arizona summer heat wearing all black to buy the brand new Metallica CD the day it came out from the record store when I was 11, & it didn’t bother me one bit because I was so excited. I can’t imagine most young kids/teens having this kind of passion for music ever again. It cannot be overstated the impact & importance school of rock & guitar hero had on my generation.
I’m 17 and it’s definitely different from then but I still try to carry on some of this mentality. It’s a damn shame that (especially now with the pandemic) that record stores are disappearing. Luckily I’ve been raised around good music and my dad has a massive cd collection that I get to dig through, but it’s still not the same. Like hell I’ve only been to a record store about 10 times in my life but I’ve always come out on the other end with some kick ass music.
yo im 17, and when ever i can i try to make use of my optical drive to play my music, im so passionate about music that im driving myself to push out a solo metal band, so you dont gotta worry too much bud, there are some of us out here passionate enough to strive to make music like metal and rock great again
@@Skyunai I mean...is it a band...if...its solo?
I'm 14 and I'm just fucking obsessed with music. I try to collect all my favorite albums on CDs and Vinyl. My favorite band is The Fall of Troy, they really inspire me and make me want to write and play music one day.
I was born in 1997, and I think we are probably the last generation to experience a more analog world and not a digital one
Hey I’ve been trying to learn how to play, been a childhood dream that I’ve never went for. I love your videos and the few I’ve watched have been helpful! I would love to learn more from you! Thanks for putting up videos for us beginners and even the already skilled. Your awesome!
I feel like I do both of these extremes. I have my huge playlist of liked songs which is at least partly hits from artists I don't listen to otherwise, some of which I don't even remember the name of, but I also have a bunch of albums saved that I regularly listen to the whole way through and appreciate every song on.
"The day the music died" when we went from 10 bands that we knew well and we talked to our friends about almost daily to now where we have 10,000 bands that are so individualized that you might have one friend that "gets it". Thank you for sharing your thoughts as a teacher!
That's an interesting point, that the socially unifying effect of music isn't nearly what it was. There's no CCR or Jimi Hendrix song which is like an anthem for Vietnam veterans or Woodstock attendees. Music for unity.
You can still bond with people in a genre of music, I guess… And there are still the "Apex bands" that everyone agrees are king of the genre.
TV and radio is the same way. 20 years ago friends mostly watched and listened to the same things and that could be a topic while when socializing. Those spontaneous connections are rare these days.
This video made me feel nostalgic. I'm happy to live in a era when there is an access to unlimited amount of music for free, but at the same time I feel that something was lost along the way.
When everything is special, nothing is.
Amazing; you and I have been teaching guitar for the EXACT same amount of time! Spot on!
Perhaps the only difference is I started out in orchestral music and jazz in conservatory, so "when things got dire," as you put it, I had that to fall back on.
One thing: there was a time when new pop music featured absolutely NO guitar. That was a sign of the times. Again, I dusted off my old synth and got more into programming music. But rather than elbow my way into the burgeoning EDM scene, I used my orchestral skills - such as they are - in that capacity.
Currently, guitar is back - for now! You'll hear it in every type of pop music, which is great if you're in cover bands! I just hope to be around long enough to see where it's headed next.
Keep up the great work!
This was like a little trip back in time and revisiting everything that happened in music, as far as listenership goes. Everything you said was spot on. I noticed all this pitfalls myself and I worried about my favorite music, what fate or fates would befall it, with all the continued "dumbing down" of every possible aspect of it.
I was born in the early 70s and was immediately drawn to music. Ad a toddler my mother would be dragging me everywhere on her daily errands and always had the radio (but mostly her 8-track tape deck, lol) playing. I got familiar with a lot of stuff very fast, learning artist names and song titles before I could even read or write.
As I went through my "tweens" ages, my exposure to different genres expanded swiftly. I went from all the country & western influences that my parents listened to, to the 50s/60s oldies rock (also from my parents' music collection), then as I had more social interactions at school, I was exposed to more mainstream pop stuff (the 70s & 80s, classic rock & new wave and more), before finally landing in the heavy metal scene.
I went deep into the metal but maintained a "closeted" enjoyment for all the other genres I'd come to know as well (cliques were pretty "political" and harshly judgmental of musical tastes back in those days where I was).
Finally the stigmas of what music a person liked relaxed considerably (thanks to karaoke pubs, where you would "hear it all" and find you actually DO like more than just your own narrowed scope of what "good music" is), and now there is almost nothing I don't like in music. If there is anything I really cannot stand, then once I hear it (if it comes up), I'll sure as hell let you know to "turn that crap off NOW", lol.
I have a really old car and it only has a cd player so I just listen to any album in full whenever i'm driving. It's so frustrating when i'm in a car with a friend and they spend the majority of a car ride playing the first few seconds of a song then skipping it.
To be honest I always did that though, after a while I just lost patience and I start skipping songs if they don't grab me within the first early part. I blame the song creators for making generic sounding intros, that's their fault
@@alexanderplatypus3664 Song intros are the best part imo.
@@punkgrl325 Which is why they need to be good or people will ignore the rest of the song
@@alexanderplatypus3664 you need to have patience to listen to more than a few seconds JFC
Some brands still have cd players in their new cars. Stil sounds beter then streaming it in my opinion :)
As a boy of 10 in 1975, Rush's 2112 attracted me to music. Then AC/DC in high school, Van Halen, Sammy Hagar, then Metallica in later high school years... I can listen to a song and be instantly transported to a particular time in my life, expect that's true for a lot of folks out there ;-) Interesting take on the teaching side, thanks for the insight :-)
Rush changed my life in 7th grade in the mid 2000s and I am a musician today thanks to them. Saw them four times live and have a Rush inspired tattoo lol, favorite band ever no question
2112 is so magical. I remember listening to it for the first time in the garage with my dad and just thinking “Jeez it keeps on going, these guys rock!” Wish I had been into them before they quit touring. Really one of the saddest things in my life, so jealous of you to have been alive during those times. RIP Neil you will be missed.
Man, this video is really surreal to me. I was born in 2000, and when I was a little kid I would ride around with my dad and he would play CDs. I was very young and didn't really have a passion for music yet, so I rarely, if ever, asked about any particular band or song. But I knew certain albums and track listings just by ear because he would play those albums straight through. I didn't know who The Offspring were, for example, but you bet your ass I knew Ixnay on the Hombre and Americana like the back of my hand. I think that was very helpful to have that in my more formative years as far as how my listening habits subsequently developed. Nowadays I'm super into just pulling up an album on RUclips and listening to it straight through when I'm able. My process of finding new music is if I end up listening to a single or a few songs from a band multiple times, I'll often pull up the album that song or songs is on and hit play. I'll also pull up the Wikipedia page for that particular band and/or album, and read it while listening to said album like one would read liner notes. I say all of this to reaffirm what you already seem to know: There are people out there, young people and otherwise, who are still passionate about music in a similar way to how you were/are. Oh, and Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock was, and is still, absolutely my jam. Thank you for reading, and have a lovely rest of your day.
You summed up the last 25-years for me in several minutes! I have a different appreciate for all these phases of music. For me, I actually learned to play better and expand my musical desires to go well beyond the guitar. It all went completely opposite to what you describe with your students....I started out with one guitar, but today I have 22 solid guitars and I even have a mid-sized 16-track DAW in my home. My studio also has several bass guitars, a drum kit, a massive set of congas and a piano, which I started playing before anything else many years, but decided to take it up and improve during the pandemic. Today, I actually play all of these instruments and record my band and other local players on occasion. I can't imagine not playing, but I think it's just that most people these days pick up guitar (or any other instrument) on the fly and as a hobby, which turns out to be a mistake. The desire to stay with guitar, or any thing that a person decides to do, comes down to separating real love from a passing fad. If it's cool for just a moment, chances are that it, whatever it is, will eventually gather dust. However, if there is real love, it will never fall back into obscurity and it'll be with you for life.
This is like 5 Watt World a short history of guitar lessons
Sorry if my english is not perfect
Thank you very much for sharing your experience!
I allow myself to share mine as a student.
In 2006 I was 16 years old, my teacher never asked me what I would liked to learn to play.
He asked me several questions, got to know me, asked me what kind of music I particularly like, what bands I listen to etc.
Which allowed him to realize that I was more rock / metal, listening to as many old bands as recent ones.
He therefore "imposed" on me songs that suited to my total beginner level.
Each songs was centered on a particular technique. He was digging into his own references.
He was a little over fifty, so his references were rather old school but it allowed me to discover not only artists and bands that I did not know (which forged me a musical culture, I was very young at the time) but it also introduced me to musical genres that I knew very little or not at all (blues, progressive rock, jazz, blues rock etc).
And I find that absolutely fabulous .
I understand that we try to arouse the pleasure and motivation of his student by asking him what he wants to learn to play, but I think my teacher 's method is more rewarding (no criticism from me).
After that, it depends on everyone.
There is the risk of trying to impose music that some students do not like and that will suddenly lose the desire to learn.
But I think that with a little openness on the part of the student, and an attempt to target the musical tastes of the student, we can achieve an excellent result.
I'm sixteen and am grateful for the wealth of music available online. My parents never exposed me to anything I liked because their tastes are very different from mine. I only discovered my all-time favorite artist ever (Pat Metheny) because of a show I heard of online (and eventully watched). One thing led to another, and now I find new, fascinating tracks/albums/artists almost every week that blow my mind.
You are 17 now and trust me, your music taste will change. I'm 47 and I know that my music appreciation changed in my 20's.
This is such a true and accurate summary of the progression of music during this time frame. I grew up during this time; graduated hs in '93. I think it was the best period in music history due to so many changes in roughly a decade. I also like how you pointed out how we used to know the entire albums back them. My favorite band during that time, and I still love to this day, is Tool.
Oh my god I’m not the only one
I’ve been teaching drums for 3 years and 90% of kids under 14 who have started lessons with me literally can’t name a single artist or song they like. No happy ending here though, I straight up quit this week. Gave all my students my 2 weeks.
Damn.
Sorry you had to retire.
On a similar note, I was and am a huge Ramones fan. I saw them in concert multiple times, met them twice including a back stage interview.
A few years back I saw a young teen maybe 15-16 years old wearing a Ramones shirt. I went up and asked him what is his favorite album, this question was too much for him. Then I asked what songs he liked, he could not name a single song. I went away wondering if he even knew they were a band.
An influx of older students I'm sure helped. Some of us who grew up in the Cassette/CD era are still around wanting to learn more. Keep doing what you're doing and don't ever stop.
Awesome video. I really like making playlists on my PC to play at work. I'm starting to think that because of the on-demand nature of streaming services, that a lot of people just hear songs on autopilot. I feel like songs are more digestible than ever, but that's mostly a mainstream artist thing. I really like following artists and seeing what new materials they come out with. Listening to the full albums as they are intended. Sure, sometimes the full album isn't a smash hit, but you can get some really good "deep cuts" as you said just by listening to the album over a time or two. Great video, it showed up in my recommended and I'm glad I watched it. :)