New Taylor V-Class Bracing from Taylor Guitars • NAMM 2018
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- It's that time of the year again, ladies and gentlemen!! We're back in Anaheim for the NAMM Convention roaming the halls for everything new and exciting. And boy, this year did not disappoint! Each of our wonderful manufactures provided us with in-depth and exciting tours of their new offerings.
In this video we are blessed to be joined by Taylor Guitars masterbuilder Andy Powers! Enjoy a wonderful and spirited jam by Andy and Greg Koch, and behold the glory of the new V-Class Bracing from Taylor Guitars, new for 2018!
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Guitars sound incredible clarity and warmth at the same time
Oh my, better than last year. Andy Powers epic playing. Greg as always just great 😀
Genius innovation of the bracing design. Completely unique with incredible, audible results. Leaving everyone else in the dust. A great leap forward for acoustic guitars. And everything you hear in the video proves it. Wow.
WoW! Great work Andy Powers ❣❣
Great demonstration !!
i have several high end and custom Taylor's starting with XX-RS i acquired new several decades ago when i realized i wanted to go exclusive finger style ; i wouldn't trade off any of my older Taylor models to aquire the new V-class bracing , But this quick talk by Andy and the demonstration of the V-class guitar vs the older bracing guitar really does show off tonally all the improvements Andy identified , they are truly there !! 😊
Andy calls Greg at 6 AM. “Greg, wear some nice dark blue jeans, your best long sleeve green button shirt, and a nice gray hat, I’ll bring the matching Taylors, we’re going be like twins for this video!” Great playing in all seriousness guys...
Nice video, great guitars, and music. He's a dam genus! Will Taylor incorporate the V into some of the lower level models?
Bring back X bracing please. I get the E natural rings longer and there might be some added clarity and sustain but didn't you consider the significant cost and penalty to the bass response and mids? On a meter you will see that they are almost eliminated with this V bracing. How is that a good thing? You fundamentally changed the sound of the guitar (that people loved.) I suspect you will have a version 2.0 in the future that blends X with V bracing. You really have to.
I have been playing guitar for 30 years. I desperately wanted to buy a new 714ce guitar. They are beautiful. They look like fine furniture and feel amazing in hand. The craftmanship and attention to detail is top notch- but that tone...no, I just could not live with the trebliness all the time. It was better when plugged into an amp and EQ's but I am not paying ~$3k to plug in. I know you have said, the new tone is not for everyone but are you willing to turn off thousands of customers (like me) to venture on a new concept. It was a big gamble rolling it out across virtually your entire line of guitars. Why didn't you use a focus group and do some blind testing to see what people like first before taking that leap? I think, relying on the brand name you believe that if you build it, people will come. At first many probably will, but over time, you will learn that guitar players like a full, warm sound inclusive of mids and bass. I have spoken with many other guitar players who feel exactly the same and have switched to Martin. There are even videos here in YTube that A/B and the experts are shaking their heads essentially saying, where is the bass go? I guess making the top stronger can reduce warranty claims if the tops don't break as often but give us tone!
Best jams at NAMM = these guys.
thank you boys. As always my favorite NAMM jam.
Two accomplished, great guitarists!
Amazing playing! I'll be waiting for the Koch & Powers instrumental album to drop!
V is for Very Expensive. Nice jamming!
Great playing ! I like how Andy plays the arpeggios and going down and up on the fingerboard ! Do you know what is the second played music track ? Thank you...
Very cool. Can someone post an A/B comparison with the same guitar with x bracing and then with v bracing with a good studio mic. Maybe finish with a decimal metered sustain battle? :)
This video is on YTube and it's quite the contrast. I much prefer the warmth and base you get with the old X bracing.
I could listen to you two guys play all night! Mr Koch Where do you pull some of those chords from? I find your playing style truly inspiring. Thankyou
You have, perhaps, the coolest job in the world.
Sick solo Andy! Sweet little run at ~7:15.
Great Caesar's Ghost, this needs a tray to catch the awesome dripping off it
I wonder how they did it with standard fret spacing. If it's really beatless everywhere, they can charge whatever they want.
I like, more 'meaty' sound than a normal Taylor, thicker but still maintaining some of that Taylor brightness. I wonder how much the torrefied top is contributing to that? Also, did Andy and Greg coordinate their outfits on purpose? :)
Great video, great fun! Now please, send me one!
Wow!!!!
Damn Andy can play!
Great picking from both Axmen!
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For all of us who might have thought Andy Powers a (brilliant but crazy) instrument geek, developing and making guitars for Taylor, this demonstration has blown that idea out the water. This man can design great guitars and really PLAY.
Sickening really, but not for Taylor Guitars.
Ha! Greg's about to grab them fist again. Haha! Such vicious jams in Taylor lair as usual.
V braced guitar sounds weak!
PLEASE READ THIS!
First of all V bracing patterns have been used and tried by many luthiers for
years albeit in many variations, but basically the main V braces...it is
nothing new. Having compared many Taylor V class guitars there are
some drawbacks...placing so many braces within the largest vibrating
part of the bout can mute some of the frequency vibrations patterns. The
Taylor bracing change when measured for displacement, velocity, and
acceleration did show some degradation in the lower bout vibration
patterns as compared to X pattern bracing. Sustain was sometimes
increased only in certain examples. We found no further accuracy of
intonation due to V bracing vs X bracing. Notes high on the neck were
not perceived to be any more forthcoming, clearer or vibrant as stated
here. We did find that some guitars in both V and X bracing due to wood
selection and builders had superior up the neck clarity and resonance,
but only as I said due to wood grains and torrification treatments. We
tested several top brands, which included Martin, Taylor, Eastman, Yari,
Yamaha, Mc Pherson, Goodall, Bourgeois and Breedlove and a few other
small luthiers examples. I surmise that Taylors need to change there
bracing pattern may have to do with business and not so much about
making a better guitar. It appears that the V class bracing is also less
expensive to manufacture mechanically. Taylor's have always been known
for a sort of vanilla tone due to it's manufacturing process. And,
that much of the information spoken here is the interpretation of a
dream that one man has. The addition of inspiration from the ocean
probably has nothing to do with the scenario. By the way when CF Martin
started experimenting with fan bracing back in the 1840's he had moved
several of the braces according to the Spanish style fan bracing into a
Vs both reversing the V at the top and bottom to accommodate the new
style bridge pin design, settling on the X brace pattern which he
surmised sounded better freeing up the top, also adding strength to the
top. If you watch the Martin Museum Tour right here at 7.12 minutes you
can see one of his experimental V braced tops on the workbench from the
1800's! Finally, I urge all of you to do your own comparisons not on
You Tube, but only in person with reasonably like woods, sizes and
environments braced with Taylor V and other X braced guitars to see what
you feel.
When will Taylor build Parlor size guitars? Please.
Is the v class good on the low end guitars?? I can only afford a 414ce Ovangkol v class currently. I’m unemployed but I want one. are they good??? Please help me 🥺🥺🥺
Oh yeah I got 814ce v brace dlx and I love it I got five Taylor's 614ce 816ce 914ce and a baby taylor and a 1080 martin d28 my favorites are the Taylor's as you can tell by the ones I have I do not like the new martin guitars at all and I tried a bunch of them my martin is a 1980 it's the only one that impressed me
What mics are being used to record the guitars? Also, any other info on the gear used to make the recording would be appreciated. Thank you.
They look like Shure SM81s
That's what I was thinking but I wasn't sure. Thanks.
Yep, good eye! Shure SM81's. Preamps and mix were on my Sound Devices 664 production field mixer, with some stomp pedal reverb to taste. Given some setup and size constraints this year, there wasn't any EQ or additional processing - more or less straight off the mic pre's. A bit of bleed from their Countryman B3 lavalier mics (which sound oddly good picking up guitar), and an Audio Technica 4053b boomed overhead added a little 'roomy-ness', not very prominent in the mix though - mostly for interview dialogue. Hope that helps! Cheers
Ever heard a Jim Williams modded AKG 460B? Pretty clean Jensen pre and a little asymmetrical room verb from a PCM 92. app.box.com/s/kma26gh8g18eevniko6oedt52ydk37qw
Bravo
Get that surf board... damn... awesome!
This demonstrates pretty well how 'thin' Taylors go when they are 'driven'.
sometimes I think iam a decent player. then I hear this . o well.
Superb
So are they planning to trickle this down to the mortal end of the price spectrum? I cannot see why they are not doing it NOW. Really it does not increase cost. Doing so would knock the opposition out of the park.
Why the graphite nut?
I have bought all my taylor guitars brand new I have a 2015 614ce a 2015 816ce a 2018 814ce dlx v brace a 2015 914ce and a baby taylor I bought a 1980 martin d28 which is the only martin guitar I've ever liked and I've had a lot of Martin's but I want a pacific and i will have one like Martin's but love love taylor guitars
Anybody know the name of the first song and original artist?
The Meters.... "Cissy Strut"
Damn! This isn't just a better guitar, it's a whole new instrument. Guitar 2.0 if you're prosaic, but we need a whole new name. Can we build a name out of "sweetness"? All the things that have limited guitars to the sound we have come to know, have just fallen away. There isn't a single note on the 4 1/2 octaves of fretboard that is anything less than perfect, and perfectly in tune with all the others. I know there's frets, but honestly, every chord he plays sounds like a concert harp. AND it sustains almost indefinitely, as though it's gathering resonance from within itself and feeding it back into the string. It's beyond craftsmanship and even beyond art. It's magic! Now every instrument I play will seem colourless, like a washed-out imitation of a real guitar. So Damn You Andy Powers, and Bless You all at the same time. Now we'll date everything as before January 2018, or after it. Just like before electric guitars and after, before Louis Armstrong and after, before Elvis and after, before the Beatles and after, before "Thriller" and after ... The market is about to be flooded with used pre-2018 guitars, and Taylor Guitars is about to explode.
"I know there's frets, but honestly, every chord he plays sounds like a concert harp."
And therein lies the problem...they sound more like harps than guitars. Andy is a little over the top with his micro-analysis of the so-called "shortcomings" of traditional X bracing. I sure hope Taylor has done its homework, because it seems like they've found an extremely expensive solution in need of a problem where no problem currently exists. I think I'll stick with my Larrivee and Martin.
Clearly you're sipping the cool aid but what about the lack of base?
hmm which one do i want??
So, my stalwart Wildwood commentator droogie-droogs, any more questions with regard to the appropriateness of Greg doing acoustic guitar demos? Mmm. I thought not.
U know, my wife wants me to b both STIFF & FLEXIBLE w/out compromise. Thanx to u andy, now she'll demand it.
is it a improvisation or a cliche?
lets do a shuffle, shall we?
the 2 thumbs down r from people that have no V_Class.
Am I the only one who thinks the bottom end sounds weak, and thus the guitar as a whole sounds really thin and tinny? Could be my speakers but I'm not really hearing the tone I'd expect from a guitar that expensive. Guess I'll have to find one to play.
Yes, they seem to have had another microphone (invisible) for the conversation but then switch to the visible two instrument microphones for the music. Use some good headphones and you will appreciate, the sound is ok.
Sterling Spor it’s not your ears I’ve got one nd it’s very tinny
Yes. If you use an amp though you can turn up the base. I just tried one at Guitar Center and that was my experience too.
Those guitars have pick ups, why didn't you use them?
Mics sound better almost always
the playing.....pffffff (rock)
It seems some post-production were done to the jam. The sound changes like from one room to another the second they begin to play. Me don't like 😠.
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couple points:
what if powers pulls another hype job in a couple years and says he's come up with a ''W'' bracing that'll revolutionize the guitar , and solve cancer and bring world peace ? all crap to spark a fire as i see it. any time you have to put on 1000 dollar headphones to hear the difference i have to question it .they both sound nice. slight difference i agree. are we all supposed to run down to the music store and trade in our last years models? acoustics are like a pair of shoes - you gotta try them out, depending on your style, playing ability, purpose , venue-- what tickles your ear -youll be all in
my 300 mahogany and 800 series are just fine-
"traditionally guitar bodies are not good translators" ....until I came up with the v bracing! ....Hmm.
Compensated saddles work quite well, and there are no sacrifices in the process
Oops, my guitar must be broken. I have no problem with the e on the g-string. It sounds as loud as the other notes and as long... Mmmh, but I am really happy that Andy found a way to build a guitar without having to compromise. He's a genius. First ever in the world no compromise needs to be made! Hats off. I think I have to sell my broken guitar and buy a new one which does not compromise at all!
Honestly, I was not liking Taylor guitars mostly (I find them to expensive for what they deliver and some sound thin to my ears), but I liked what Andy was doing at Taylor. Not any longer. What a nonsense pseudo-scientific talk here. But people seem to buy into it. I really can't understand how you can believe such a nonsense...
The new guitar may sound nice, but I do not want to try it after this arogant marketing-talk. That's not to say one should not be allowed to be aware and proud (in a positve way) of achievements, but stating that he reinvented the guitar is way "too much" IMO.
@Wildwood: close to zero information in a 13 minute video... :-o
"Arrogant?" Oh, c'mon man ... take a laxative and chill out.
Go record the album.
prices are insane on these things , could have gotten the same feeling by just going from 440 to 432 hz
can get more full notes and and play more relaxed
guitar is more flexible , less tension , there's your intonation and sustain
been tuning to 432 for a few weeks ,, never sounded better and saved myself about 6800 bucks
6800 for 2 pieces of wood and some nickel and iron is a bit over the top
super expensive electric g's don't cost that much , what's going on here ?
some of them cost 11200 dollar ? who buys that ?
I keep watching videos about these guitars but I haven't yet heard explained what it is Andy has done, just the long winded philosophy behind it. I'm guessing it's secret or something??🤔
The most important factor in what an acoustic guitar sounds like is how it's braced internally. The basic bracing pattern for pretty much all acoustics (some exceptions) has been X-shaped, ever since Martin invented X-shaped bracing in the 1830s. The new Taylors have V-shaped bracing, with the main brace getting wider as it approaches the sound hole.
It sounds a lot less exciting when you put it that way, but they do sound incredible. (At least in demos. I haven't seen one in the wild yet.)
A guy named Teja did a very informative review of this guitar on his channel called "Peghead Nation." FYI
Sounds like plastic anything for a buck the ca. way
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Bland, thin sounding guitars.
Still got that thin, thin Taylor sound. This is why I walked away from Taylor after owning an 810 years ago.
way too much fret buzz for me...
ahall3823 If there's any issues with fret buzz as a side effect of the bracing I'm sure Andy will resolve them. He seems to be absolutely obsessed and driven to make the ultimate playing and sounding guitar.
Strings 4, 5 & 6 on both guitars have a horrible buzz. That's all I'm talking about.
I wasn't disagreeing with you. I heard it too. I said if it was an inherent problem due to the new bracing it would most likely be rectified. The guy is obviously obsessed
I heard the same thing in the PRS wildwood interview when Paul was showing his new acoustic. I am insanely picky about buzzing with an acoustic. Too picky I think to be honest. I trust these are good guitars though just need to tweak the truss rod to suit how hard you pick. A lot of people want their acoustics setup with low action cuz they're used to electric.
What would buzz have to do with bracing? Nothing.
Andy is a great player and an amazing builder, but FUUUCK. He has that same creepy ass Christian way of talking that Bob Taylor does.
Lothar of the Hill People what does that even mean?? Care to explain? I’ve never seen him as creepy. Steve Jobs talked in a very passionate way too.