How important are low miles, originality & matching numbers?
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- Опубликовано: 15 фев 2024
- Lyle at C&S Corvettes talks about older Corvettes and if low miles, originality & matching numbers are important.
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"Functionality is more important than originality". That's the best advice a Corvette owner can have. Thank you so much Lyle !
I've come to the point where I like the videos from C&S before I even watch the video
Agreed.
Lyle, is always helpful to us. Enjoying the Corvette is important. 😅😊
I sold my 02 Z06 with 70K miles on it for 500.00 less than I paid for it. I kept every receipt spent on it for 12 years. I sold it in 2 weeks of posting and the guy who bought it said his decision was based on documentation and it was evident to him that keeping records proved to him that it was cared for. He's got a great VETTE.
Lyle you speak the truth. I always say if you want one of those cars, numbers matching, original, low miles...and you aren't going to have the enjoyment of driving it...... buy a photo and pin it up in your garage
LOL, isn't that what people dream of. 😂😊😂
I know a few people with imports that barely go the speed limit. They usually don't push their car. There's too much invested into said machine. LOL 😂
Lyle, been watching your channel for quite sometime. I didn’t own a Corvette then, but found your videos to be very informative. Little did I know that I would have a chance to get 75K mile 1991 ZR1. I guess you watch this channel long enough and you’ll eventually become a Corvette owner. Thanks for all the work you put in these videos!
My cousin told me that a Corvette that is not driven is a car without a soul.
Excellent video. Now my story about 4 years ago I wanted a C3. I think I know pretty much did a ton of research watched all of Lyles videos and I did want a numbers matching car just because no other reason. I found a 1979 38000 miles which I was comfortable was the actual miles I based that on several things the interior wear and some other things but what I really focused on was the frame. It was very solid and the car appeared to be very original. It ran very rough but I felt the car had a ton of potential like Lyle said things wear out from the inside out. All the front bushings had to be replaced of course all the fluids plugs cap rotor brakes hoses and the carburetor had to be rebuilt I found an old guy to rebuild the carburetor because I wanted it mostly stock. The car is wonderful and I drive it as much as I can it gets looks and people talk to me all the time. It’s white with red interior last fall I was at Walmart and I parked next to a white C7 when I came out a guy said to me I like yours better. Like Lyle said the key to this sport is drive these cars and enjoy them. I sure do I also have a 2010 Grand Sport convertible. I have learned so much from Lyle and C&S corvettes thank you Lyle can’t wait for next Friday.
Sage advice Lyle. Truly enjoyed it. Thanks
Well said. Drive the damn thing!
Another great video Lyle
Thank you for all the information you provide our community
I bought my 2003 50th anniversary edition with just under 40k miles. Mostly good, but the tires were from 2006. And mismatched. Actually bought a few of the shale interior bits from C&S. The sun visors had been replaced with plain black ones, and the door screw covers walked away. Thankfully these guys have some good parts handy.
Great stuff you know I like to drive my car
Thank you Lyle, 👍👍👍
Regarding mods; changing headlights to something that actually works well or other small mods don’t hurt anything. Stuff like that can always be put back if you want to revert in the future.
I appreciate the ability to communicate how machines function and thrive. It certainly provides contrast to the guy who formed his list of used car buying triggers from an illusion of perfection.
Love your point of view on corvettes I've owned a 1986 c4 since I was 20 original owner I used it for about 6 years until I started having a family the car sat in a good garage ever since still all original got it running would love to modify it as much as possible not worried about value because it means more to me because I had it when I was younger just hard to find someone qualified to do the work
What a Great piece of information for all the Corvette owners and Want to be owner's.. Documentation is everything, don't ever depend on Carfax, they can only report to you want has been reported to them.. Once again Lyle you have hit it out of the Park..!
Thank you and keep up the Great work of keeping us all informed..!👍
Great information Lyle. I own a ‘66 C2 numbers matching except for the engine block. So what. The car is a head turner at every cruise night.
Your right 👍👍👍enjoy your vett.
As always THANK YOU Lyle for sharing your time and knowledge on Corvette ownership. I noticed in the comments about saving paperwork on parts and work performed. I do the same thing. When selling any year Corvette or whatever car. Or just your reminder of where the money went. Peace of mind for the next person, that Yup that's what was done and when. Amazing when people wanting to really low ball you and say well, I can find that year anywhere for half the price. Yes, you can, but you're going to spend a lot more on that mystery mobile that was half the price. If it gets you home? I know you don't get every dollar back on service and Maintenace items. You get some peace of mind that you'll get from A to B. in the same car you started with. But you already known that. I hope that more folks that are New to the Corvette experience find your site. Worth every episode!
Good common sense information ! Thank you Lyle!
Speaking the truth here. The owner ultimately determines what's acceptable or not for his/her purposes.
Hey, chicken feces washes off, other sh*t don't. As you well know mileages before the 1980s cannot be verified. One must be able to detect any abnormalities that is not conduceive with a low mileage car. Enjoyed your video Lyle, a lot of great information.
Good information to consider!!
Always love these informative videos. Much appreciated Lyle!
Awesome video Lyle! Wise words!
Excellent video ! 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Lyle, yet another great video. My '91 is nowhere near original; after a six-year, ground-up rebuild it's way better than that, even considering it has 115K miles on the OD. I realize that the mileage will hurt it's value at resale time, but there's no way on earth a potential buyer will ever find another thing wrong with it or a more thorough documentation of the rebuild.
Great video and advice. 👍
Another great video Lyle.
You are bang on Lyle! Awesome explanation of facts about our lovely Corvettes.
Spot on Lyle. I came of age in late 60s when the c2 big blocks were brand spanking new. These cars were driven very hard and beat on constantly. Parts broke, rears, trans, engines and replaced
Numbers matching is another way to add perceived value added to sales price. I have seen big blocks that were numbers were re stamped. When these cars were new, parts replaced to make them faster. Now those part s taken off to OEM. Nobody cars how fast it comes off the trailer
I think there is a market that likes restored to original specs or the parts used like rad hoses, markings, decals, etc. to present the car as it was new. So like an on-frame restoration that presents as original, and the car is driven to shows and the local cruise ins, not beat on and the car cared for. I think within the C2 and C3 market, many would be buyers fall into this category. Original matching motor a bonus but not critical and some will pay a slight premium for the original block even the the internals may have been modified but the appearance is stock.
Great advice! My C5 is low miles, but it’s my daily. I am just finishing a mild cam and 243 head swap, 2 row radiator, but stock exhaust manifolds, and invisible 4.10 gears. One could stand there with the hood open and it looks original. The perspective Lyle presents is a relief to hear… He’s right, it’s either a museum piece, or not. Keep it however makes it fun to own.
Bravo Lyle!! Excellent advice. I must say I’ve followed much of your video advice on my C6. For example swapped out the headlights to the GTR CARBIDE, wow what a difference. Then the automatic shifter with your re engineered harness. Thanks for all your help with us Corvette owners.
The bit about the fuel filter number got me good
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Hi Lyle, how about a video on lowering your Corvette. Especially C4 and C5. Different kits? Things to look for? How much does it affect the ride? Things like that. Thank you.
I really like the new t-shirt I bought from you! Thank you.
Hi Lyle, I just have enough money to own one Corvette. It has to be drivable. No pieces of art for me unfortunately. In this case, as you said functionality is really a must.
Thank you for your advice !!
There seems to be a movement in the younger generation (under 50) that cares less about the “low mileage, all original survivor” stigma. There will always be collector cars, but people are less impressed by individuals who gloat about not enjoying their toys.
I was actually excited that my C3 is not numbers matching. I have a list of things I want to do and I won't feel bad about it at all
Watching the auctions it would seem restomods with modern power plants are actually getting more money than numbers matching original equipped cars.
It depends on what is modified and how. Say you put in a new cam and intake along with rockers. Document what was used and how it was installed. Buying a corvette with mystery parts is not a good thing. It is not the mods so much as the lack of documentation.
I can care less about original my 1980 now has a have a magnaflow cat back exhaust and composite leaf spring bottom line she functions and operates better all that counts ! ❤️
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I found a 2011 grand sport with a 3Lt manual transmission. Has less than 5300 miles. Garage kept and looks brand new. Still smells new. Problem is it has only had 2 oil changes. What are ur thoughts?
As long as they used synthetic oil, it is probably fine. Buy it, change the oil, and enjoy!
My question would be are you collecting or driving?
Where was the trivia question??
There you go again making me think Great points You might get flak from the purists but I agree with you 100 percent
Any third party inspector you would recommend? I’ve heard mostly negative things about Lemon Squad. Is it better to pay an ASE Certified mechanic to go through the car?
Maybe I can help. I, too would like to know what car inspection services Lyle would recommend, but I looked up a couple that you might want to check into.Pomcar and Carchex. It’s been a while since I checked their ratings so maybe they are worth your time looking into. Good Luck! 🙂
I suggest an experienced mechanic at a minimum, but a Corvette-experienced mechanic is best. Lyle
Does a Lingenfelter or Callaway modification hurt the value of a late model Corvette??
I took my Lingenfelter vette to Vengeance Racing a week after buying it for a health check. It got a huge thumbs up!!
@@browningbelgium2326 I haven't raced mine at all. It's a 2017 C7 with 700hp. Dark metallic gray with a lighter gray stripe. It has every option available in 2017. It still has less than 10k miles but we can only drive it 1/2 of the year since it's winter here in Idaho from October thru May. It is a 3LT Grand Sport with the Z07 package. We took it to a car show last year and it took first place in all cars from 1987 to present. It's real pretty.
I'm still getting used to mine. It's an 09 Z06 with the 660 package and a few extra goodies making it 700HP. I'll never test its full potential. Don't want to go to jail!!@@incog99skd11
A recovered titanic car would probably be worth alot in whatever condition it was in
Agreed... but would you want to drive it or trust it with your family? :) Lyle
Lyle, I hear you but the second I see that any of the following are on the car (1) performance chip, (2) aftermarket exhaust, (3) oil soaked (K&N junk) air filter, aftermarket rims, cam, unnecessary Corvette emblems, I'm gone and nobody is catching me. I get your point about not being completely original, but the devaluation that occurs from something not original is dramatic. I don't care how much the last owner wanted (fill in the blank). The NEXT owner sure as he$$ doesn't want it and is thinking about how much it's going to cost to remove, put back to stock, or how much harder the miles on the car are.
Oh, I agree totally! That full-color mural of Jesus riding a unicorn that some guy paid $5000 to have painted on his hood definitely DOES NOT help the value of the car! :) lyle
Wow Lyle, this pretty much lines up with the opinions I tumbled to all on my own ........a few years back. I've owned cars that were "too precious" to really enjoy and decided they were no fun at all. So, I own a car that is a very nice driver but nothing more. If something happens to it I will not be "happy" about it - but at the end of the day it's just a bunch of metal and wire and fiberglass - all of which I can replace. You're missing out on all the snow up here in PA. I bet you're real sad about that.
I never understood People who cares about "Matching Numbers"
What is the Point of this?
It dont make the Car better in any way.
The only Point of Matching Numbers is, that you can run around, and tell other People:
"Hey, my Car is Matching Numbers "
And thats it 🤦♂️
It does add value to the car. And a vehicle is only original once.
@@michaelm3381 YES, You are right....And KNOW THIS: EVERY Part of this car was made with parts that were bought at LOW BID which = "STOCK"!!
Great cause, but the 2024 is an automatic, as with all C8s and is therefore not a real sports car!
In point of fact, it isn't an automatic. It is a dual-clutch manual (no torque convertor) with the option of computer-controlled gear selection. Now, we can agree that it doesn't have a clutch pedal and a manual shifter in the center console, but it is not an automatic. Lyle :)
Number matching cars have taken a back seat money wise to restmods with today's engines. Life's to short for Carburetors.
Lyle, sounds like you have an axe to grind with an older generation "numbers matching" Corvette, as an NCRS member who has seen many top flight cars, they can actually be driven & enjoyed
I've got a Top Flight convertible that I drive about 1000 miles per year. You can drive them, enjoy them, and still have a numbers matching original car.
I'm not in the camp, buy a used corvette as cheap as possible, with 120k miles on it, and start emptying your wallet for just the basic things to make the car look and drive descent. What you're excluding in my opinion, is the fact that a 20-30-year-old low mileage car that has had regular maintenance represents. as far as your comment that a car 20 or more years old cannot verify its mileage is incorrect. There can be yearly safety inspections, and/or emissions checks that the state can verify mileage. also, if the cars had 3 or 4 buyers in the last 20-30 years, [not uncommon] a search of the title verifies mileage also.
Plus there are simply dozens of items on a low mileage car that simply cannot be replaced, or easily replaced, My car is 28 years old, it has 22k original miles on it, and it looks it, and it drives like it. The consumables have all been replaced, fluids, tires, light bulbs, brake pads, and fluid, and radiator, and flush. to say this simply has no value in the car is ridiculous. a well kept low mileage car will ALWAYS have a higher value, and that's a fact. oh and i keep it in a regular garage covered up [no chickens].
I'm not sure where we disagree here. I have no desire to see people buy a ragged out car and dump a ton of money into it...better to pay TOO much for a really nice car from the start. Certain points you make can vary state-to-state. In FL, for example, after 10 years any car older than a 2010 is mileage exempt...no odometer reading on the title. If you have seen any of my other videos, you know that I value fluid maintenance above almost everything else for vehicle health. Lyle
Another great, informative video! Thanks Lyle!!