Noctua's Mini Cooling Hack - NA-FD1
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Correction! This is only compatible with NH-L9i/a, not the L9x65 (that version uses clips to mount the fan).
Do you plan on doing a review on the Lian Li Q58 at some point? The case seems to be pretty nice. I was curious on what your overall thoughts are on the case. Thanks
Hey Optimum I copied one of your buids with a barrow pump res block (2 radiators,3090), 5950x cpu been fine for half a year but now cpu overheats at 84 celsius and my games crash. Have you had the same problem? Do you think I need to upgrade from barrow pump?
A fan duct made a difference in the Velka7 and SGPC K39 with the L9a. It'd be cool to see you retest cases with the duct and without.
Simple effective and affordable solution
why not just go for the 25mm thickness fan if there's that much more clearance!
If anything, given how small a gap the DIY fan ducts are filling in, 5*C less on the CPU is quite impressive.
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You can DIY this with foam (neoprene) weather stripping that is sold at hardware stores, and you won't be limited to 92mm fans either.
I used to do this to improve the seal between radiator and case, and radiator and 120mm fans.
(Not that I don't appreciate Noctua for offering a clean looking package at a very reasonable price)
I wonder if you could just caulk between the radiator and fans.
@@ThisMoose You could, but that would be pretty gross.
You said you used to do that, but why'd you stop? It wasn't worth the hassle to you?
I cut "ducts" and fill gaps of all kinds of sizes like this for the high performance laptops all the time from even low density foam harvested from packaging, knowing Noctua these are probably pretty pricey for what they are.
Cut it clean with a really sharp razor and spray paint or use a marker to make it black and it can look pretty good.
Stopping turbulence by eliminating gaps is really good for keeping long term load temps down by getting the most out of the high airflow required to adequately cool where radiator size is constrained
@@Slavolko I no longer use water coolers. That and case manufacturers have changed their intake fan mounting bracket, so there's little point to closing the gap between case mount and fan, when there are big gaping holes elsewhere that cause intake fans to lose efficiency.
Been doing this for years in my sff PCs. Just use weatherstripping foam. It turns your internal heatsink fans into case fans. Internal heatsink fans normally have almost zero impact on drawing fresh air in to the case. The just stir up the air inside. If you don't have case fans, you're not getting fresh air. Connecting internal fans to the outside makes them effectively case fans and makes massive positive pressure
Love your content, it's really nice that you create a lot of videos catering to a more niche audience interested in SFF builds. I'm an 'ordinary' PC builder so this content isn't strictly relevant to me, but you present SFF stuff well that I stick around and watch, and it's actually making me tempted to try SFF in the far future as many problems with these builds are being addressed - it's great to see how much innovation and standardisation is happening in this space.
Besides, it would be nice to support computer parts brands which are working to make custom PCs more energy efficient, cooler, quieter, and more compact and portable. While we want high performing computers, computers parts brands shouldn't expect consumers to accept big, heavy and hot PCs as the norm. If you can afford to, we should try to incentivise brands to target SFF PCs as the end-game for custom PCs, to make it much more accessible and affordable.
Why shouldn't a consumers accept big, heavy and hot PCs?
Even if you live in a 4m by 4m room/shoebox a normal tower is still nothing bad....
Don't get me wrong, I love SFF PCs and built many for when I'm traveling, but that is an edge case.
Normally you just buy a PC, put it next to your desk, and forget about it. I do to...I currently have an old i7-4xxx at my personal apartment that I just put a new GPU in the other day. This thing is big bulky and loud but if you are focused on the monitor, that all doesn't matter, and that's what a PC is about.
You only say SFF is better because you are consciously focusing on the case, and viewing it as an art piece. But why should a league or wow addict, remote admin, excel man, your grandma or the doctor care about SFF?? They just buy a prebuilt Alienware or something and call it a day.
I'm in a similar boat, along with probably a lot of other viewers too. At this point I'm pretty sure my next PC build somewhere down the line is going to be mini-ITX with a custom cooling loop. The space-efficiency and minimalistic elegance of a well-made build like that, along with the challenge of building, is just too tempting. I believe this channel is what introduced me to custom/enthusiast keyboards as well, and I'm typing here now on a 75% board that I bought, lubed, and filmed the switches for myself. Would never go back to an average "gaming keyboard" now. This channel is more than just entertainment with my morning coffee; it along with Gamer's Nexus content pretty much account for 80% plus of my PC setup.
Nice, might make one out of cardboard.
Dawid would be proud of you
Noctua taking their sweet time addressing the needs of their customers.
This product feels like a meeting of minds and objectives from DIY persons in the SFF scene and corporate wondering what to do with their spare EVA foam, having bought too much.
_I love it._
They don't need to have bought too much. They're already cutting square holes out of EVA foam to put the fans in for packaging. They turned trash into a component of a new product.
@@jasonx7803 But it isn't trash anymore, is it? It's just like saying if I bought meat on television and received it in a Styrofoam box that I should put the box at the curb rather than re-purposing it for its original design as a short-term cold chest to transport frozen goods.
There is an element of genius in this where they makes bank off of trash-turned-treasure for an apparent benefit to end-users of any fan in need of vibration dampening.
Nice Ballistics and black ridge subtle flex! Surprisingly perfect fit with zero space. Was really stoked it worked out in my k39 build.
3d printed air intake mount for my copper cryorig c7 with 92mm noctua fan in A4 years ago. that was huge improvement! So cool to have an industry ready solution now.
Noctua's business move is impressive! selling thing I can cut out my self for free.
cool product and definitely fits a niche who will find this as a nice addition to their rigs
I went to my hardware store and got some rubber foam weather stripping to do this myself. It was about $2.50 for 10 feet so I was able to do this for every fan pulling in from the side panel. The squishy rubber is adhesive and I could stack layer to fill any size gap.
Wow, I thought it would be 1-2 degrees not 5. Pretty impressive simple improvement.
This is the sort of thing I'd love to see Noctua make for their entire fan line. I'd really like to try doing some GPU deshroud mods where I can just use these ducts to maximize the effectiveness of the mod.
Looking forward to your g303 wireless review as seen in the video at 2:45 :D. I ordered mine in the day that was released and is one of the best mice I've touched and I had like 20+ including the superlight. Usually feet that come with the mouse are bad, but those feel godly on my Artisan Zero soft XL, ok on the G840 and a bit scratchy on my Hien soft xl.
Which is why a lot of old systems had huge ducts für their CPU coolers as well.
A closer look in to spacers, shrouds and ducts would be cool. Especially with 3D printing, many cool mods are now easier to do and might enable some dope af builds. It was in the overlcok forum where i first saw some good etsting on spacers, that showed improved airflow and pressure on intake fans, but that was years ago. This really need retesting.
I am pleasantly surprised by this. Very cool.
I made a 3d printed part for this express reason a year ago and its been awesome.
These new animations are clean!
Nice thoughtful material, keep it up! Thanks!
1:05 I saw the g303 😍
Nice observation. Probably review coming up.
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Great! But I was hoping in a brown version, and after 3 years in a black one :D
Jokes aside, for a simple product like this, 5°C less is impressive.
Will get this for my future APU build with the NH-L9a + InWin Chopin 👍
Use something similar on my exhaust rads on the lian li dynamic. Super useful for preventing the hot air from recirculating in the case.
I used to use one that was made of paper and it would drop temps by 3 to 5 degrees
I got a SiriusPC T80 (S1 clone) and I use a Blackridge with 120 on top perfectly aligned with the side panel
It works!! saw the video bought them as soon as I saw them didn’t even finish the video 😂
Props to Noctua for releasing this on Printables so you can make these yourself if you have a cutter or 3d print them
this is also useful if you deshroud your GPU and end up with having some space between the GPU fans and the case bottom (in my case it's the 6700 xt reference with 2 Wing Boost 3 fans in a NR200)
That used to be a diy mod back in the days of Pentium 4
Making ducts out of carboard, paper, eva, shower curtains, whatever one could find at hand
BTX dell computers used to come with a cool looking duct
ITX is bringing back those old memories
Great idea, though. I always use foam gaskets between radiator and fan, especially in pull configs
oh man i was waiting for a new video of you
Another fantastic video. Thanks.
5 degrees for such a simple mod is insane.
I actually replaced the Black Ridge in my Dan A4 with the L9a and FD1. The noise the Black Ridge produces at max RPM, even with a Nocuta fan, is so loud and high-pitched that I would rather lose some cooling performance to have a quieter system. In theory I could reduce the fan speed on BR and get it quieter, but any fan speed above ~35% produces an annoying whine that I just can't stand. I also didn't want to go for the Asetek 645LT, as that has pump whine, so it has a similar problem to BR, not to mention the cost and how much PITA it is to install. For a while I also run the BR with 120mm fan and VLP memory, but that RAM kit was way too slow and I couldn't get a stable overclock. In the end the L9a ended up being the best compromise.
For the A4-SFX, the bigger cooler is better, but in something like the Velka where the L9i is really the only option, this is terrific.
Noctua could release a L9*45mm cooler with a 1mm/2mm fan duct. The 65mm is not so ITX friendly.
I'm going to try this on my S4Mini. Though I'll try to frankenstein my own foam duct out of old noctua packaging and whatever I have lying around. no price beats 0€
Just bought this. Looking forward to the result. I'm using a Sentry pc case and a 5600x. Noctua nh-l9a-am4 cooler. At stock it runs hot as blazing hell, I undervolted it and runs about 10c cooler. Looking forward to this improving that further.
ducting cpu fans to the side panel.....20 year throwback right there 😅
Used to just cut foam out of speaker baffles, and glue it to a length of pvc pipe to make the duct back before tower coolers
Dunno why i never thought of that, made a quick one out of paper and tape and it dropped my temps significantly in an inwin chopin with a goldenfield 36mm 4 heatpipe cooler... can finally close the case when gaming on this poor heavily overclocked ryzen 3200g... Thanks much
I'm crafting myself one from ages, they works
Thanks for the tip!
Im running a R5 3600 with a Noctua NH-L9a in the node 202 i definitely need this.
One reason for sticking with the smaller Noctua cooler would be that you still can exchange memory fairly easy compared to the bigger, better performing one.
Review on the Lian Li Q58 soon? that case is compact and amazing!
I have 50 or 55mm clearance and I got my l9 on discount for 30$ or so Canadian. Every other option sets me back about 80$+ in Canada which gets close to the cost of my 3300x. So this seems like a decent solution all in all.
Actually a great mod for the CPU cooler. Surely the DIY is cheaper but this doesn’t to be too expensive for what it’s worth.
I modded my 3060ti with 3 NF-A9x14's for my Velka 7, so these might come in very useful!
"modded"
Another thing to consider here might just be adding a thicker 92mm fan on top of your cooler, with a very thin foam duct on top of it
its worse on the l9. its best with the slim fan
i actually consider using such a shroud in 140mm for my case fans to minimize obstructions of the airflow by close mesh or fan mounts.
I did this for my 2 x 140mm intake fans, I used the carcass of 2 x 140mm cheap 140mm fans and mounted them together to the front of my case. This gave me a 25mm gap between the intake fan and the front dust filters and moved the exhaust of the intake fan 25mm closer to the cpu/gpu, resulting in a big improvement in temps and noise(the reduced turbulence through the front dust filters was massive).
Should've thought of this and try it before I traded my L9a for an IS-60 in my Node 202. This probably would've helped quite a bit.
I think it's worth mentioning that hot air is not only recirculated inside the case - even with a duct, hot air escaping the side panel can be sucked back in. I reduced an additional 4 degrees with the L9a and ryzen 3700X by blocking (e.g. with tape) all the side panel openings except for the ducted section. Should be worth a try for anyone using intake ducts.
Will try this method in node 202
Interestingly, these might also work with Scythe's Shuriken 2, given the dimensions and the fact that it too uses screws to attach the fan.
This video is like a precursor to your latest video haha
glad there is 3D printing
I have an ASRock DeskMini X300 build with a NH-L9a. I just installed the duct a couple of days ago and also saw about a 5 degree drop in average CPU temps
Old P4 Prescott hack. Although 5C sounds very impressive
lots of old cases used to have plastic fan ducts years ago
A comparison between using this setup vs the Metalfish Z39 (sffnoir) inside of the Velka 5 2.0 would be interesting.
do you reckon you could do a similar video but using a 5800x? i'd be interested to see how air cooling with the natively hot running CPU goes in that space
i have a wooden box case with foam inserts and 2x pwm140 arctic intake fans. and ducted stock intel fan on a i5 3470. temps at max in summer are 55C. and deshrouded R9 270 with 2 pmw120 arctic fans on. max temp is 70C. also 1 pwm140 as exhaust. silent and very happy with it
so duchting WILL work. even with a bigger cooler the ducting can give even lower temps.
Thanks a lot for the advice and thanks a lot for uploading your vids in 4k - they look amazing on my super color-accurate high-res pen display!
Fun fact - that’s also a reason why some bigger cases are worse than smaller which doesn’t recycle hot air as much (less space). Still waiting for a case that would address this issue out of box rather than getting gpu hot air into cpu for instance
i love these videos
Most people with a 3d-printer already do this. I ducted a 3-4cm gap on a slightly larger case.
Note to self: Buy some foam weather stripping. Use the leftovers on a window.
Good idea for repurposing old packaging materials. 👍
have you tried just putting NF-A9 (25mm version) instead of A9x14 ? this seems to fit perfectly in this case, I just wonder what the difference would be
It's like flags in a bitfield. It skips 1mm and 2mm and isn't binary but combines to anything from 3 to 45 mm.
7x foam spacers (10mm (2x), 7mm, 6mm, 5mm, 4mm, 3mm)
3, 4, 5, 6, 7
3+5=8
3+6 or 4+5 = 9
10
5+6 or 4+7 = 11
5+7 = 12
and then starting with 3 + 10 = 13+ using the 10mm again up to 45.
Do they only give hand tightened screws for the slim fan? Any way to use if I've swapped in a 25mm thick fan?
This is cool. Literally.
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What is the correct fan orientation for these things?
...
and yes, I understand that there might be other components
that would prevent ( some/many ) configurations.
I have also seen pictures where they have the fans mounted
on the outsides.
Thanks for any answers from anyone!
I see that g303 👀 whens the review dropping?
Could just throw a couple of these into the cpu cooler box for future shipments.Make it bit more compressible to fit more systems with less waste.
They use foam as cusions inside the packages anyway. They can make cutouts and fillers in the foam, just like sim/micro sim/nanosim cards all aligned/cut in one sim card piece, and you can take out whichever size fits in your phone.
Which micro itx case do you recommend now that the n1 is discontinued?
can u do a nzxt h510 flow review if its any good or not cuz i'm going to build a pc so... it will be helpful for me. A budget build around that case for streaming and gaming might be helpful.
I now have this in my Dan a4 with a 5600x. Never goes above 67 degrees with the ducts
I see that G303 shroud :D
Looking to buy that same msi board to pair with an i5 11400, would you recommend it ?
Would something similar between the two towers of a NH-D15 cooler on the middle fan to close the gap help temperatures with a single fan?
I see the g303 is the review coming up? 👀
This would be useful for people looking to put a 5600G/5700G in something like an In Win Chopin which relies 100% on passive thermal flow and can generate a lot of recycled air.
Diagram is perfect
Helps reach colder air and acts as a mini-velocity stack.
I have question, formd is launching there new cases soon. There’s the reference style, tower, and sandwich layout style. The question have you got any samples lately? My current rig is a Ryzen5 5600 air cooled and evga xc3 3070. In ur own opinion which is going to get me the best cooling if you have gotten any samples
Hey can you do a SteelSeries Prime Wireless review I have to choose 3 mouse which is Logitech x superlight,Razer Viper Ultimate And Prime Wireless which is better?
They need to curve the inlet side of the duct for best efficiency. Might 3d print me one
Still recommend the g pro superlight? Looking for my first wireless mouse for semi-pro fps gaming (claw grip) was looking at viper ultim
Does this work with the nr200 or would water cooling the nr200 be better. Actually could you make a vid comparing air cooling the nr200 and water cooling it?
Looks like these could help diy graphics card fan swap function a bit better.
Is the air intake not obstructed? Now the air can only be drawn in straight.
How did you fit the Ballistix modules (39.17mm) under the Black Ridge (max. RAM height 33mm?)
Why not use a thicker fan like a 25mm thick fan?
The Black Ridge exhausts heat, what happens when you flip the Noctua's fan so it exhausts as well?
if you have a 120mm fan , you culd just cut out some pakaging foam material from your motherboard pakage or such.
I bought the alpenfone black ridge, but when I flip the fan around, it makes a very annoying high pitch whine and is NOT usable in that configuration. Any solutions?