PinePhone Pro - Mobile Linux is getting AWESOME
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- The PinePhone Pro has been announced! This is a huge upgrade from the original PinePhone and a huge upgrade for the Linux mobile ecosystem. This phone by Pine64 will start shipping as soon as 2022. It will feature a six core processor.
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00:00 - PinePhone Review.
02:01 - PINEPHONE PRO?
08:42 - Should I buy it?
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Checkout these other videos on the PinePhone Pro!
Destination Linux Interview: ruclips.net/video/itP1DWkIp0o/видео.html
The Linux Experiment: ruclips.net/video/Ar8JdKj5Yv8/видео.html
Martijn Braam: ruclips.net/video/pCxDcMdr_fo/видео.html
Pushpin please....
I mean, pin this comment 😅
Can it take a tello Sim card and service
Does this RK3399S SoC (Pinephone pro) come with same (NPU) AI hardware as the RK3399 SoC, which is rated at 2.4 TOPS? If it does then I will get one for sure.
I'm so happy I was waiting for this, I was following the development of the pinephone, im ready to embrace a 100% linux live style
I would love to have a linux smartphone with dual front facing speakers, headphone jack and a removable battery.
The new front camera is actually the old rear camera, so you can see what it will be like already 🙃
I dunno, what does that say about the rear camera? It sucks, probably? IMO it's the big letdown in all Linux phones, as well as degoogled Android: the camera software is always terrible, no matter if the sensor and lens are maybe okay. You can't take a decent pic with these things.
@@bennypr0fane well someone has to train those algorithms and make it open source
@@gasun1274 right. Someone, as always. In mobile Linux, people are busy though with hardware adaptation, getting features up to speed and porting libraries etc etc, camera is lowest priority.
> _"camera is lowest priority"_
@@bennypr0fane uh oh, that's sad to hear
@@yash1152 well, if consumers continue supporting mobile Linux the software and hardware will continue to improve
They need to make a 6400 mAh Battery for it, then they can protect the camera lines as well and have more juice overall without feeling to big. And a charger for batteries as well so you can quickly to swap the battery with a full charged battery in seconds.
The main reason to buy anything with a replacable battery is this... but Fairphone does also not have a charger for the battery...
This is amazing, can't wait to be able to purchase this! The only problem I ever had with Linux phones is the hardware!
What's the name of two terminal program on left screen at 07:00 ? video at 1080p resolution but cant see clearly
My body is ready for the PinePhone Pro.
imagine how buggy it would be trying to use like i3
Still 0.1
Are Individual Pixels visible when looking at the PinePhone/Pro Display?
All I need for now is text and phone. The other features I will use when they are ready. Can it at least do that much? And which carrier(s) in the US will it work with? Thanks!
which windows tiling are you using? looks nice
I want it with a just text shell (and the minimal window manager for a touch keyboard). Make calls and text from a tty, take pictures blind like the days of the point and shoot film cameras(view later when files transfer to another computer).
Can you make a direct comparison of the SoC of Pinephone Pro and Raspberry Pi performance-wise in your review?
So is the new GPU gonna make hardware acceleration available to the OS?
5:54 yeah, lol. i was thinking about connecting some arduino/rpi etc to use the sensors from the phone. will that be possible? 😅
Does anyone know where to buy one ?
Amazon and Pinephone are out of stock.
I really hope that the camera is going to look at least decent because from what you've shown the OG Pinephone's camera is a standard webcam from a low-tier 2010 laptop. That is: Not. Good.
Strange, then why does the Nokia N900 take wonderful photos with its 5 megapixels? Maybe it's still the quality of the module and the software, and not the megapixels?
Yeh megapixels doesn’t tell you everything about a camera a lot also depends on the sensor used. I imagine Nokia used a much better sensor.
its actually because the drivers for the camera isnt still really on par with lets say Nokia N900 that's on Symbian OS but its still being work on so lets just hope that it will get better on the future
but when you compared the picture you get now on Pinephone back then there's actually so much improvements (still not the best but atleast there's a progress)
Megapixels only tells you about the picture resolution, but it does not say anything other than that.
@@yxles the N900 ran Maemo (a Debian-based distro) out of the box, not Symbian.
Its a year later, it says on their site the Pine Phone Pro, Explorer Edition is now available. We can all get it now?
Yeah, but from what I've heard, the software is still in a very rough state (bugs with the camera, camera flash doesn't work, can't get push notifications while the phone is suspended, etc.). It also sounds like the battery life is still not very good.
Is it compatible with Android App eventually ? Has removable battery ?
So when’s it coming out?
Do they provide stl files of the phone?
could one install mint / ubuntu lts and all hardware work?
Hey. Couple times installed different dist. and now stopped on Mobian. Really waiting when you will get PinePhone Pro.
Is there any news of better option coming out?
What I really want is a semi-dumb phone that can still run some basic essential apps like banking apps, QR scan, etc. A durable, reliable, lightweight with no bloat software phone (with emphasis on phone), and a decent battery. One can only dream.
It's called a de-Googled phone.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Not really, in fact not even close.
@@YeeLeeHaw It is entirely close, unless your lack of understanding here limits your perception. My de-Googled phones meet all of the criteria you have specified above. Therefore my statement is correct and you are not.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 RUclips deleted yet another comment. I guess it's sufficient to just call you a moron.
@@YeeLeeHaw Yes, I am sure it is "sufficient" for a self-entitled, screaming "me-me" like your good self. Unfortunately, I am not in a mood for baby-sitting today, so I will bid you farewell.
Run along, sonny, your mum wants her computer back up there in the spare bedroom of your parents' house.
Bro. Did you remember Plasma BigScreen? The smart tv gnu/linux os
4:28 hi, any sample pictures of text documents from its camera would really help. documents of atleast A4 size like newspaper, handwritten text, any printed page etc
Very excited for the pinephone pro, with how fast the regular pinephone has gotten, brooooo I'm hyped
why doesn't pinephone do a MODULAR PINEPHONE with upgradable parts?
it would be awesome to have the same mobile and be able to upgrade it through the years, upgrade the camera module, the rom and the ram memory. pinephone
because they’re prioritizing open parts so they have few choices and aren’t large enough to manufacture all their hardware
Modular phones have been kicked around for a while but as far as I know, nothing came to market. Google had a modular phone program but killed it a few years back.
Time delay was my problem with Microsoft and Android. However, the privacy is much more important to me than any features in Apple.
PINE64 pls do a f-ing MODULAR PINEPHONE with upgradable parts, e.g.
upgradable camera module, upgradable rom and ram memory, upgradable
battery and processor. That would really be the PRO move in the market.
OnePlus 7T is definitely not a "mid-range" device.
It was a mid-range in terms of price, now onepluses cost like a flagships
@@carlod1605 I don't think price should even be considered in this scenario. The Snapdragon 855+ isn't a "mid-range" chipset and that's all that matters in the context of the video. And anyone who goes in expecting similar performance will be really disappointed.
I am looking for the fx tec pro 1x, linux with a keyboard will be amazing.
I wish consumer Linux were more popular with the "normies" and big corpo so that everyone could switch to Linux full time on all their personal devices and not worry about some piece of software they're going to need
To be successful in market, you have to think from the perspective of Level 0 Noob.
It must be highly intuitive. Easy to use. Even a kid should be able to do it, literally.
It must be reliable, ie, not glitch. And the system must be stable.
Shouldn't be slow.
Developer community and products should be available for it. Common users want to play games, easily surf internet, easily watch video and listen to music, easily install small shitty apps or softwares even if they do practically nothing.
Let the background be in background. There is reason it is background.
Have the possibility to commercialize. Closed source softwares may not be liked by some people, but it is what drives big corporations to make stuffs. If they can't make bucks out of it, why would they give any fucks to it ?
uh no, please keep the big corpo away from it, they'd dirtify the things
Actually Linux is used more in Corpo environment (development, server infrastructures, etc)
The issue of Linux is that it isn't user friendly. And no, telling someone to copy and paste console commands hoping such doesn't break your system isn't user friendlyness.
I love Linux, but I believe instead of having millions of distros and software package distributions, a unified system would make more sense. Because for example, I don't use Fedora because the install packages are RPM, and most of the current software manufacturers that support Linux they use deb installer packages. Well, they have both the same kernel, so why Fedora and Ubuntu feel so different when it comes to being their own OS?
@@sharkuel You're overly generalizing linux like it's some single alternative operating system like Windows and not a set of kernel and system tools with an entire ecosystem of software, both user-facing and the system layer hidden away from the regular desktop usage.
You don't need to copy paste some commands from the internet or even touch the terminal at all to use desktop Linux nowadays. User experience is going to vary based on what OS you install and which desktop environment you use. A Fedora Gnome desktop is going to be waaaay easier to use than a Gentoo installation with bspwm and a custom selection of software that you compile from source.
@@nikkehtine and you basically replied to you own question. That's the main problem, it is a set of kernel and system tools and environments. And that, for the "normie users" is enough to keep them away. Now am I generalizimg? Not at all. This is the way people view Linux and if I was a newly fresh guy to start my Linux journey I would be discouraged to continue. Because most of the people want an OS where they can do everything with ease, and not having the trouble to manage console commands and search forums to find their WiFi driver, for example. This for the normal end user is just not okay, and for small and medium businesses as well. And that's why Windows is mostly the industry standard. It is not that they are pushing some form of monopoly, but the ease of how normal users can do things under basically the very same environment all around (basically they change to another PC, windows still feels familiar), and that's something that simply doesn't happen with Linux. In one PC it could have one distro, and then you change jobs and you need to use another distro with a different environment.
Aditionally, the "it will get better" promise that looms in the horizon. For years Linux users have been preaching such, it is 2022 and Linux is still miles behind both Windows and MacOS when it comes to accessibility. And this is what "normie users" want, ease of use, and leave the console commands to their Admins/IT guys.
can you install android?
Thank you for making this video.
Thank you for watching it!
@@TechHut it's can use Verizon service?
With the pinephone 3gb I get great service with AT&T which is said isn't supported by I can confirm in my region is incorrect. Texts and calls work perfect on every tested distro except for Ubuntu touch. Only issues have been MMS features and importing contacts on mobian because I have to severely secure my Google account so cannot transfer via that reason and contact files don't work.
you mention : "....even if they don't send me one, I'm going to be getting one..." That brings up a huge question for me--how do i get them to send me one? I'd love to get in on beta testing/ reviewing. looks great if not interesting
I think it is the exact same battery as the standard Pine Phone. I wouldn’t count on better battery, as it is essentially a Samsung J-series battery they are using.
With regards to the SOC, I truly hope that it performs well. It is a very similar chip to the Pinebook, albeit in a much more restricted thermal design. That being said, I don’t think it will match the performance of the Snapdragon 855+ in the OnePlus 7T. That was Qualcomm’s flagship SOC of 2 years ago. OnePlus’s thing used to be to use flagship components and sell it at a mid-ranger price point. Sadly, not anymore, as the company has lost its uniqueness in its continuing morph into its bigger brother Oppo - but I digress.
yeah, pinephone pro will perform more like 2017/18 mid-ranger rather than 2019 snapdragon flagship phone
It is compared to the Snapdragon 650 performance-wise if I recall
I guess the battery capacity is mainly limited by its size.I've not found higher capacity than ~2000 for this type, sadly. Todays phones often come with 5Kmah batteries.
How does the Pro compares to an entry level Samsung Galaxy like the a03?
@@goku445 That is a good point.
My pinephone didn't come with a logo on it either
IPS display sounds pretty cool
Good video
i believe that the widespread adoption of mobile linux is lacking builds for existing smartphones. Like iirc postmarketOS only supports a handful of devices that were made as android phones. It's like the hardware for Linux on the desktop. Sure, you can buy a pinebook pro or whatever, but most people get a device with windows pre-installed/used without an OS, and install Linux on that. Although it's cool to see PinePhone evolve, mobile linux should be improved on booting it from phones that came with android pre-installed.
Amusingly the Pinephone Pro's specs are good enough that it's still an upgrade from my current android phone.
Once they're available I'll probably pick one up to try out, especially since I'm setting up my PCs to use Manjaro and or Garuda and there's enough in common between them and mobile-manjaro that what I learn on one will probably apply to the others
So true, i've always wanted to install a linux os but my phones were never supported
The last Pine phone I had bricked after 2 days of use. They arnt ready yet. 5 more years minimum for functionality to improve to a daily driver
Are they keeping costs low by using dated hardware technology?
Yes
Good video.
@techhut im currently studying python and linux. I was curious about the pinephone pro. should i in anyway be afraid to purchase it?
So... I'm starting to think the cell phone companies are not going to let any phones work that are not on their approved list once 3G goes away early 2022. This may be a problem as their lists of approved phones are fairly short. Please tell me I am wrong.
Its a lil pricey but we can be guaranteed purism will allow linux phones on it s they are. Linux company who makes a linux phone
I pay for Awesim service so i can support a cell provider who caters to linux phones my pinephone works nice on it
I hope they make a pine phone note, I really enjoy my note 10 plus but really don't like the Google Spyware and want to transfer to Linux all together for privacy.
Hopefully they can make encrypting the memory on boot a thing...
4:32 - If the camera takes great (and I mean *_GREAT_*) pictures, I'd consider switching.
better: if you love open source and privacy get one.
at least! take so long to make my idea true, connecting to a monitor and use it like a real PC not a chromebook like samsung and other companies do.
I excited for the steam dock too, Nintendo won't take advantage to have a computer experience when connect the Nintendo switch to the dock so valve came and take it.
Most of the hardware are about 4-5 years behind the Android phones, plus the linux-based mobile UI is not optimized as well as Android. That means the experience can't be good. Hope newer hardware will be supported so Linux can run on better phones.
7:30 ohhhw wait, i forgot that the sim card etc requires the phone to be switched off. ohw no, that'd be a no for me. i want to be able to swap sim/sd without needing to remove battery. i am fine without sim trays, but bettery ejecting is not acceptable to me.
Hopefully they will bring out a Pro version with 8 GB ram in another 12 months.
I think I heard that the SOC *may be* maxed out with 4 gigs of RAM, so they might need a different SOC to get any more ram expansion
Yeah. They just pulled the phone up to the level of the PBP. Until a better pineboomk comes out, you'll definitely not get a better phone.
@@UNSCPILOT Raspberry offers their Pi 4 with 8 gig RAM. Theoretically it can be used to create a smartphone (i'm pretty sure it has been done already with the pi3)
@@quisqueyanguy120 I'm not saying that SOCs (System On Chip) are limited to 4gb as a whole, just that *this particular* SOC is limited to 4gb.
And yeah, if the Raspberry Pi foundation made a linux phone I'd deffinitly be interested.
I already badly want to get a Pi 400 just to play around with even though I still need to find jobs for my Pi 3 B+ and Pi Zero, the fact the Pi 400 is set up like a modern Commador 64 just fascinates me and my growing obsession with retro computing.
Man anyone know termux on android
4gigs is enough to not be laggy on one of these ? Android is kinda bad on 4
Dude, RAM BARELY affects performance..... Cpu and Gpu are the important stuff.
4gb is enough on my Android smartphone ( sometimes gaming to ), Linux isn't that RAM hungry I think.
i don't think 4gigs ram will lag your phone, i mean i have 3gigs of ram and it's still snapy to me.
i think you have a bootleg phone which fakes amount of ram that you actually have, for example your phone reports 4gb ram but actual ram was 1gb.
Android is very wastful with memory. Just look at the iPhone side. They all have 4GB or 6GB in Pro variant. I own the 2GB Pinephone and even that is running fine with GNU/Linux systems.
RAM speed is also a thing. Timings and frequency are important too.
I ordered PinePhone Pro. When the creators will review the developers orders?
Desktop Linux could be installed on pretty much any PC, while running a custom OS on a random phone is much more of a pain. Also given android is Linux based and open source, it satisfied linux enthusiasts enough.
If they had a model with higher FPS screen I'd buy. This must by why there's no usage demo on their announcement video. Thing looks slow as hell.
it doesnt have instagram or whatsapp.. . . . . . someone remake them but opensource plz
You can use Telegram, though
I have Redmi note 4, which has the exact same specs of this Pinephone. If it comes to market, I'm gonna buy this.
Same here🙃
@@ashutoshmourya4748 Yaaay 🙌🙌🙌
Too much costly for Indians due to High Import duty
@@tejasmate.. I didn't know that 😲
Lol buy assus rog phone ultimate active cooling 16gb ram 512GB total space Qualcomm Snapdragon 868 SoC
If you just use it for calls and SMS, why you want to buy a "smart" phone in the first place?
I don't mind frickling and tweeking a long time to get the best experience for me, but without proper hardware acceleration and also little battery and a bad camera (its 13 instead of 5 MP, but still a miserable sensor plus terrible software) I can't do anything to improve that to a level I would accept it as my daily driver.
You can still do a quick google search or check wikipedia on it. Don't know about whatsapp/telegram if they can be used in non-browser mode. Anyway, there are some uses. Also, even if the camera is pretty shitty, it's still better than nothing. Maybe you simply want to make a photo of some flyer or something, where you only really need some information, nothing fancy.
I have a oneplus7 pro - snapdragon 855, 6gb ufs 3.0 ram, 256gb storage, awesome camera, under screen fingerprint reader - mid range phone?
Its the best phone made in the last few years
Asus zenfone 7 pro here kills oneplus thing :)
Just because youre saying its the best phone.. it is a good phone there are many good phones. Hard to tell one is the best of them. Its just like laptops..
Oh asus rog phone ultimate activ cooled 16gb ram dedicated graphics 512GB total space runs full linux kde-full plasma 5 22
If software wasn't so absurdly bloated I'm sure the classic Pinephone could cope with normal phone usage, but what can you do. I cannot help for this to be available, the time of the Linux phone is coming
Folks why don't we build a linux distro/gui on top of the base android kernel. A fully open OS? Why reinvent the wheel when it's already here. Look at Huawei what they're doing with Harmony OS.
I think its absolutely impossible for the Pinephone Pro to run anywhere close to the level of Oneplus 7T. I think Snapdragon 855+ is many times more powerful than RK3399S if RK3399S actually is RK3399 with lower TDP.
I choose adfree RK over ad-ridden snapdragon any day!
wonder when 'purisn' claims their fictitious librem5 pro for around a gazillion bucks ,lol
It has similar specs to my galaxy s8 and it’s $400
at least it has usb-type-c
Android : Am not I a Linux? 😢
Linux : Son of Google, kinda b*tch
Android : 🥺
pinephone pro officially costs more than the pinebook pro lol
Given they have the same SOC, that basically makes the Pinephone Pro a mini-me Pinebook pro, which is kinda adorable
You don't have to give up anything you just use the pine as a hotspot and use your Android tablet.
Not a bad idea.
This makes me happy. Might as well bury Librem now
Hey hello 👋 tech hut pls someone send link for Ubuntu 21.10 cd/dvd pls because laptop has no os pls
Maybe get a flash drive and go to a public computer cyber cafe or something and download and flash it there?
What I'm excited for is waydroid
Whole point of the Pine phone was security so if you add all these computer funtionalities to the Pinephone you're defeating it's original purpose. So if you want a mini computer on a phone than no the Pinephone isn't for you if you just want a secure phone then the idea of that Pinephone is just right!
if you can afford it
if it's available
if it doesn't have dead pixels
if...
same for that other phone I've been hearing about which probably won't even be for sale in the States
Linux & Phones IMO isn't happening yet ..
The regular pinephone is $200
It is available in the US/Global
I don't have dead pixels
"If you can afford it"
That happens with any phone, and actualky with anything that costs money. I don't get your point.
OS teleported from 2013
Battery is still small, they should have an upgrade for that.
really like the concept but its just too expensive for a low range chipset. I do believe the LG G5 H820 from 2016 is a much better deal imo. Its costs only $80 USD, its smaller, has SD820 Chipset, 4gb Ram, a headphone jack, a microSD Card slot, removable battery (upgradable up-to 5700mah for $15 via Aliexpress). Hope this helps
This project should have been released as a 10 or 12 inch LTE linux pen tablet, maybe it would be released as a phone later on. I think it is a useless device as a phone, but if it was a cheap lte linux pen tablet, it could be very useful for business and education.
Pinetab?
@@PeterNokes Yep... Your child's first linux tablet, pinetab! Only 99,90 🙃
1.5GHz is way too slow to be usable, even if it's a hexacore cpu... it's a rockchip...
Can you add a translation into Arabic because some of the words I don't understand
I believe RUclips has Closed-Caption. So you need to activate the English auto-generated and use translation feature to any language you like
So this is what Edward Snowden uses.
It seems to me, that this is more just for the sake of novelty and that by the time they have modified the distro of Linux its running enough to get full functionality and stripped away all the non/relevant/unnecessary features and modded the kernel suitably...........youd may as well use Android as thats pretty much what android is, a modified Linux Kernel running on specially designed ' distro ' for phones.
Need Android compatibilty then Will Be perfect
There is already a project called Waydroid which is based on LineageOS and is very cool but it's very new so it has bugs.
@@AP-kx4yw there’s also Glodroid which is a port of Android to this phone, all these projects really need volunteers
1:17 - That phone is too slow for this day and age standards. I can see it lags.
not yet there, I won't even consider to buy one of these if I'm not a developer of PinePhone apps, it's far from being an end user phone, even the new one might need 2-5 years to get to the end user.
Well, it would be nice... So sick and tired of Android and been ready to jump off the boat for a long time. But... yea.. well... We will see, at least the pinephone seem to be the best bet we have for something useful. We will see.
Linux rock's
the name sounds like iphone pro.. but nah i guess i'll wait for chinese made harmony OS
"awesome" is a big exaggeration. "Decent" would be more accurate.
Compared to a few years ago it's getting fairly awesome.
@@TechHut the progress is, the current state of affairs isn't.
You criticize the hardware but have no thoughts on software efficiency. Softwares are getting more and more useless as they are expanding in gigantic size without adding any functions. The route of current "software development" is a dead end as there is no requirement to software efficiency, only bloat and gigantic size. A software development must include using hardware efficiently.
Linux community first should do something about apps. Even if we had an awesome hardware for Linux mobile OS, there is still problem of lacking of apps.
Oh at today there are over 50000 apps for arm64 but you need to have allso hardware like asus rog phone ultimate to have a real experience
im ready to be fully-immersed in linux boy
Yeah right.
I'm fighting with Pinephone over my Linux phone that was never delivered and I've escalated it to PayPal for resolution. I rarely buy with PayPal because they've decided against me on shipping before. The company claims I gave an incomplete address but the real problem is they didn't tell me what carrier they're using beforehand so I know which address to use. They're also claiming the phone will be destroyed or abandoned. It's a Hong Kong company and I'm calling them on that lie.
I have a similar problem with Amazon deliveries but they've always made it right. I've been bitten a lot by Chinese companies but expected this company to be different based on reputation. I don't plan to be fooled again.
That sucks, hope you are reimbursed (or better yet, delivered your phone) eventually.
This is why I'm not currently buying it. It's too risky to purchase from not so established sites, too much room for error.. Shame.
Wait a minute. They put a full Linux GUI on a phone with no hardware acceleration? Lmfao
Why not just code your own GUI?
Lol
"Andriod"
I can't remember a video where I haven't spelled at least one thing wrong.