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In this video, we discuss the HK slap. Should you do it? Should you not? Is it useful or does it just look cool?
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We also did a video about the "HK slap" and a lot of people mentioned the manual.
But i guess not many people know that "the slap" was only put in the US manual because there were problems with operators riding the charging handle and causing malfunctions.
I talked with two German soldiers and both said that they were strictly forbidden to do "the slap" when working with the MP5.
Personally im not against the slap but there are many better and more ergonomic techniques that i prefer to use
makes sense
They should pin this 👍
My SP5K manual doesn’t mention the slap but it does tell you to let the bolt snap forward.
@@aviatorgamer3057 is your manual in english?
@@PolenarTactical yea
I went to HK courses back when HK’s Training Division was ran by the Former British SAS Trooper, Phil Singleton.
I was taught the Slap directly from him.
Don't do it! Noooo!
Speed in a life and death scenario, slapping makes sense. For a range toy, eventually if you slap enough, the issues Chad describes occur. I’ve seen it on rental guns in Vegas as one example, where you can tell they had repeatedly worked on that notch to smooth it back out.
Most don’t use MP-5’s for any type of self defense, so no reason to slap. Also, respecting other peoples property comes into play.
If your grandma told you Cleopatra was black would you believe that too ancient person?
The most efficient way would be to push down and follow the bolt forward while it slams home, but not slapping feels wrong.
@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920
Not speed. It actually wastes a ton of time to slap. Only purpose is for simplicity for someone with poor memory
If I see someone load an MP5 without slapping it I'm going to stare at them funny for the rest of the day.
My 2 cents!! I bought an HK 91 308 n 1992 new in the box. The mainspring is horrendously heavy. I will slap the bitch if I feel like it but not for the most part. While still new in cold weather I slapped it and the plastic on the charging handle shattered. HK sent me a new one and it has rubber in place of the hard plastic. Chad is correct about wear on the catch, although 9 mil versus 308 is a different matter. So you do you and don't worry about other people. And yes I do realize the MP5 charging handle has no plastic or rubber. Eric and Chad great work thank you always.
Sorry minor mistake on my reply I purchased my HK91 a decade earlier 1982
Amen.
Need a video with PSR!!! That would be the perfect crossover!
I slap my HK MP5 SBR like it owes me money lol
Slap it for the 5 it owes me
I had to pause the video right after Chad said no because he is definitely wrong. Gun Jesus was told by HK themselves that you're supposed to slap them. I would say what they say goes. LoL
That's what I remembered too, so Idk why anyone would think otherwise.
@KillerSpace2726 guessing Chad never saw that. 🤣
It's more marketing wank than defensive tactics.
@@HerrCobra_762perhaps he doesn’t know GUN JESUS!
I have significant time behind both an MP5 and a G3, the MP5 doesn’t need to be slapped but the G3 absolutely needs to be slapped otherwise it will malfunction
Yes please do an mp5 comparison video! I'm planning on getting one next year and would love to see a comparison between the Century, Zenith, PTR, and HK. Do a full deep dive, talk about the trigger packs and how the shelf is different then a pinned and such. Cause I know nothing on all that.
Please do a show on the different variations of the MP5. Love to learn more on this one.
I just want to say this is the first video of yours that RUclips has actually put on my feed in YEARS.
One of my shooting buddies is a former German soldier who carried the G3. He said they were forbidden to "slap" the charging handle because (a) it causes additional wear and (b) it actually slightly reduces the bolt velocity because if you slingshot it, you are pulling it back about a centimeter more than if you just slap it.
Yup my G3 as a conscript was from the 60s, slaps were forbidden bc of wear but what would you expect from a gun seeing 40 years of basic training😅
@@JCU2803 I wonder also if another part of the reason why the slap was forbidden was that the slap could over time cause more wear on the plastic cocking handle itself? The older all metal cocking handle wouldn't have this problem.
The green plastic part that is molded over the "stem" of the handle seems like it lasts for a pretty good while--maybe 10, 15 years or longer before the plastic starts to become brittle and develop cracks, but I've seen one at my range literally go flying off the rifle as the bolt was sent forward.
I stopped using "the slap" several years ago, and granted the plastic handle on the rifle was probably *at least* 15-20 years old when I put it on my rifle around 2010, but the handle seems to have developed enough of a crack over the years from the plastic itself degrading that it slipped completely off.
Lol... Chad talking about not slapping. Had fun watching this discussion. I have an AP5 I'm waiting on a form 1 for. I don't always slap it, but when I do...I do it with a smile!
My first gun is a GSG-5, the MP5 clone chambered in .22LR and of course I've done the HK slap. The novelty does wear off and there is always the mindset of wearing the parts out. But I do still do it from time to time. On the last round the bolt holds open on the GSG-5 so I always have to pull back during a reload and usually just let it go.
The style is classic and timeless and I would love to shoot a 9mm version but I can't justify the price at all. I'm good with my .22LR plinker version.
Listen, I didn’t come all this way for you to just be gentle with me alright? I need you to slap me hard; I need to go into battery, alright? Give it to me, don’t turn back.
(Do the HK slaaaaaaaappp)
I'm glad you guys talked about this famous reload mechanic
I have a PTR32 , slap it and send it forward. It's the way the Germans taught me when I qualified with the G3 . It was to ensure proper engagement of the bolt. It's not a platform to baby .
Hk Mp5 the sexiest gun of all time
Yup
Truth has been spoken
That's why you slap it.
I have one, the novelty of slapping it died off very quickly. It's just far more efficient when inserting the mag to reach up with your thumb and flick the charging handle off its notch to send the bolt home.
Good information on the subject at hand guys . Take care and be safe
Always HK slap. The first rule of gun safety is have fun
I mean, a Romanian PSL is an upscaled AK, but the SVD is a standalone design
(I have a PSL-54)
Loved the banter between you two in this video and the ending with the final slap haha! Great friendly video that brought up a good conversation on the operation. Look forward to more of these with someone taking the devils advocate role !
Watched the whole video and no print shoot repeat HK slap? It's ok still a fun gun gripes!
Try running a G3 without slapping it and you’re in for a malfunction party
Yup , send that thing forward .
How does slapping it do anything different than just holding it to the rear, lowering it out of the notch and letting go? I slap both my MP5 clone and 91 clone, but I don't see what the slap accomplishes for reliable chambering that pulling back and letting go doesn't.
@@ryknoll3 In fact, pulling it back and letting go gives the bolt even MORE momentum than the slap because there is that extra centimeter or so of travel due to pulling it back.
I say slap your MP5, slap it every time! If in 500,000rds the cocking tube notch wears down ship it to TPM Outfitters and have them replace the tube.
Been waiting on your next video thanks guys for all your hard work for us to enjoy your content
i used to work at PTR. i made the receivers in 2021. my name is Travis Polhemus. chad and Eric are right that they're expensive guns and its ridiculous that they charge so much for shit made guns. "they're not cheap" but they're definitely cheaply made. I've seen so much unreasonable quality control issues. Mike Lee the warehouse manager even got fired after i left because he tried to hide so much bad shit that was happening so the parent company wouldn't be pissed off at him instead of just fixing whatever was wrong. guys, seriously spend your money somewhere else. the only reason they cost what they do is because they basically have a monopoly along with a few other companies on the HK market because the real HK company doesn't hand out licenses to just anyone.
The manual’s issued with the MP5 and HK91/G3s literally say that’s how you’re supposed to do it
Yes, as they say in the video.
4:51
They literally go over this in the video, including showing the text itself....
Psr does perfectly fine lol
Love his song for it too.
If you ain't slappin', then you be slackin'. This video has only inspired me to slap that MP5 HARDER!
We want more MP5 videos. Much love
everyone needs to experience the HK slap at least once
Eric going "Yeeaaaa...." cracked me up . Funny how many times I've seen this in movies but never knew why since I don't know much about these rifles.
You don't sound like you know much about guns, HK slap is from the manuals.
I have a PTR 91. I have done the HK slap, but I prefer to just rotate it down and let it go home !!
The best part about the HK slap is how it works on guns that aren't HK products. Works well with the Steyr AUG, Keltec RDB, even the MP40 at times which came before HK. Wouldn't recommend doing it often on the GSG clone though.
nobody even talks about how the original hk slap was the cetme
Sub2000 by keltec lives and breaths for the hk slap
And the sub2k
@@MrRolloBaggins I’ve honestly never “HK slapped” my sub-2000, but after what it does to my cheekbone after a few mags, I’m thinking it more than deserves a slap or two. Those oddly low yet tall irons just don’t mesh well with my facial structure, even with the mcarbo sleeve. I’d put a dot on it, but the dirty girl doesn’t deserve it. I have a rule against selling personal guns, but if I ever were to, it’d be on my short list. It’s funny, because most people seem to really like them. 🤷♂️
It is fun to bump fire though, so it does have that going for it, at least when ammo was cheap and plentiful.
@@jackjohnson291 I was torn between the sub2000 and the scorpion evo3 carbine and got it even though its twice as much...but also twice the gun.
No PrintShootRepeat "HK Slap" video link? I am disappoint. :(
I'm with Chad on this one. If there's a way to load it without causing unnecessary damage, that's how I'm gonna load it.
Eric looking good, I’m hopeful that’s it’s because your being better, not because you’ve been ill, regardless keep at it
To be clear, the bolt does lock open on the MP5/10 and MP5/40. 6:35
I have a UMP issued to me at work and I have my personal one as well when I first got my personal one I slapped the release like I was trained for the federal law enforcement academy and it broke went flying down the range. My issued one has never broke doing it thankfully.
Eric - "1988 called and they want their forend back. " Nice!! :)
I bought a gsg-5sd in 22 so I could smack the crap outta that bolt and not worry about damaging a more expensive piece.
Oh man, now I gotta see this 7.62x39 PTR!
You can probably mod that old flashlight for an led bulb. You can do it to old maglights
Didn't y'all do a video about safe queens? Lol "It's a tool, use it like a tool."
I give it two more years until Eric and Chad look identical
🎶... do the HK Slap
SLAP, SLAP, SLAP, SLAP, SLAP, SLAP, SLAP, JA 🎶
You could eliminate most wear concerns by putting some actual grease on the wear surface. Any normal user will never have any noticable wear this way. Sounds like an issue that only affects dry guns. Same thing with car door hinges. You never lubricate them they wear out, you lubricate them they last forever.....
It’s one thing to slap your own ______ , but it’s an entirely different thing for someone else to do it in front of you to yours.
You two are hilarious 😂 JUST FREAKING SLAP IT! It’s therapeutic! 🤣👍🏻🇺🇸💯
Theirs a song about 3d printing HKs and slapping them! It’s called “the HK slap” by print shoot repeat
*"So by the way, offical HK doctrine is, unless you have a reason to otherwise, in order to charge these guns you slap that charging handle with all appropriate force.*
*The idea that you're not supposed to slap the charging handle on an HK, that you have to be gentle with it, that's urban legend from people who are a little too careful with their guns. More so than necessary anyway.*
*Military doctrine is: smack that thing!"*
- Gun Jesus 2019
Lethal Weapon is a Christmas movie too.
Interesting, I slap all my semi auto pistols with the slide release. Haven't worn one out yet.
It's perfectly fine to do it. I can't stand the Karens who freak out over it.
I’m slapping mine!
I have seen glocks chamber while slapping the mag in because they used their slide release like that so often
That “ why can’t you just slap it man” kinna gave me some intervention vibe lol
just realized I wasn't subscribed any more! thanks u-tube! been watching for years thanks and keep it up lol!
"Go ahead and give it a nice slap for us"
"Oh!....That made me hurt inside!"
"ohhh YEAHHHHHHHHHH"
🤣I'm a grown man, stop
coffee cup blocking the tip of the firearm for the entirety of the video takes some excellent planning and skills. grats.
After using a G3/AK4 in military service, you'r supposed to slap it.
The only damage caused by slapping it is increased wear at the hook that holds the bolt locked open. And for a collector item, that is reason enough not to slap it.
Gotta keep our pimp hands strong
In my time on the mp5/g3 the manual of arms was different. You loaded and "slapped" whit your right hand, left hand stayed on the forend. And usually right hand slap will have a slight rearward mowement , because of your bodyposition. It gives less stress on the guns "groowe". Left hand you slap down and naturally with a forward mowement. An unintended positve from that manual of arms. Sorry, bad english.
Your english is pretty good 👍
I agree 100% with chad. Always pull back and let it go. Why put unnecessary use to that beauty!
The slap sounds better in the movies than on gun grips anyways.
If you haven't slapped a G3/PTR 91, you haven't lived.
Sounds and feels even better than the movies
I agree with this video. Everytime someone picks up an MP5 all the dude standing around him goes "Slap It! Slap it!". For that reason alone I don't slap. Everyone wants to feel like they're in a God Dammed movie.
@iraqveteran8888 Eric, I agree, I have seen it happen under duress, as you say: with the MP-5, a magazine was inserted on a closed bolt, the weapon was then charged and chambered the first round. And that is where you'd the magazine to fall out oftentimes, but no, the weapon was brought up, fired the 1st and 2nd round and then it fell on the ground and was immediately lost in a pile of rubble and concrete.
The MP5 notch is heat treated(aka hardened) the notch in the receiver is harder than the pin the cocking handle is attached to, which is the part that interfaces with the notch. So it is fine either way, to slap or not to slap is up to the user.
My stepson has a HK mp5 he says, if I don’t slap it you don’t get to operate it 😢😂
The MP5 is to slap.
If the gun can’t handle that, it’s a shit gun and not one I would trust my life with. My weapon needs to be able to go to war and be put through hell. What’s the difference in the slap and the gun operating on its own? It’s the same exact action. The bolt isn’t gently opening and closing itself. Normally, you guys nail it but I’m afraid you’re wrong on this one guys. Still love y’all.
I noticed while visiting some of the “Armories” for PD’s, special ops etc = lots of “out of spec” MP5’s needing service.
H&K manual for mp5 page 10 section 5 under operator use literally verbatim "Vigorously slap the cocking handle out of the indent."
An MP5 would be very cool to be able to get over in USA. But what I really want is an MP7.
My buddy bought a ptr 31 a while back and it shoots very smooth, it's a fantastic gun. The only knocks I have on it are that there were issues locking in traditional steel mags, pmags work flawlessly. The second negative detail is that it doesn't like hollow points, but it's a sample size of one. I would still buy one though, they are 👌.
There's no such thing as a PTR-31 - the 7.62x39 rigs are "..32"
“BE A MAN AND SLAP IT CHAD”. Definitely will be turning that one into meme. Please make a shirt lol
Have to agree with @Herr Cobra. I've heard HK themselves said it's perfectly fine. Although I can see the argument from both sides. Still won't stop me from slappin' away on my MP5 (clone)! 😂😂
Isn't the lower the machine gun?
Can't you just swap out the upper if the slapping is galling up the charging handle.
Not on an MP5. The upper receiver is the firearm. Lowers are just replaceable parts. You can have registered trigger packs that go in the lower, but the lower is never the firearm. In fact, it's rare that the lower is the firearm in most cases. The AR-15 is an outlier.
@@ryknoll3 Thank you for the Knowledge Kind sir, I didn't know that.
@@ryknoll3 It's a bit more complicated than that for HKs. Yes, the upper is the firearm BUT depending on how the gun is registered, the trigger pack (as you say) may be the registered part and may be able to be put into another upper without an ATF transfer (except an ordinary firearm transfer for the upper).
I feel the same way about the "no slap". I have a ptr91 that I baby like a real g3!
Yeah cause it what a $20k dollar plus gun..
PTR 91s are made in the Portuguese tooling which was real H&K licensed G3 production.
If the gun can be safely fired, I say shoot it! To me the idea that it is a investment, not meant to be fired anymore is ridiculous. If it has been fired thousands of times, how much damage are you going to inflict by shooting some more? The only guns in my collection that don't get fired are the ones waiting for parts and or servicing.
Used to belong to a private range that was mostly 07's and title II owners. It would be easier to number the times the HK cocking tubes/op rods DIDN'T break from slapping.
Oh, you mean like using the slide stop to release the slide on a pistol? This also causes wear on the slide stop notch, which is especially bad on guns with small notches.
I have a SP5/MP5 H&K
LOVE IT
PLEASE DO AN MP5 VARIANT VIDEO
My sometimes does not go into battery if I don't HK slap. Before that I never Hk slapped it cuz I heard it was bad for the little piece of metal that helps lock it back. I also heard you'd have to slap it millions of times to damage it.
You can push the charging handle inward at the front or rear position with an MP40 to lock it in place that acts as a ‘safety’ as well as the notch
Happy new year to y’all 🎉🎉!
You can give the good ol' Sub 2000 a slap. Much like everything else on that gun, it's a little awkward, but she goes. 😂
When a problem comes along, you must slap it! *SLAP IT GOOD*
Follow the directions in the manual.
We need to see a Meltdown of a MP5 clone (MKE), put them through the Georgian Gauntlet with oven mitts and Lecter mask.
Chad that was hilarious impersonating Eric, I did lolol'd. GOD bless everyone and America, amen.
It's like asking someone if you can key their car
Nice chat between Chad and Eric, nice one again 👍👏
True. I don't kick the door of my old truck anymore. ;)
Svds aren’t just big AKs. They are just semi auto mosins with barrels that are too short.
🤔
LOL you two 😂 gentlemen, ya’ll just make me smile
This operation I’m operating in is very operational with the HK. Operating operators will operate 😂
“You don’t wanna leave your handprint”
Chad: Always.
Bruce Willis himself said Die Hard is not a Christmas movie. Great debate though
Die hard is such a weak option and always has been why doesn’t anyone mention first blood as the best Christmas movie?
@@99billionninjas62534 for real man!
HK slap is iconic but personally I would load it like I do handguns or ARs and that would be by using the slide release, bolt release, or on a roller delayed weapon just running the charging handle or like Chad demonstrated you can thumb the handle down from the notch but there isn't a need to slap because you can release the tension from the locking notch and let it fly, I do not like any manual of arms where it can be inconsistent and that's why I do not palm an AR bolt release instead I load then use my off hand thumb to reach the bolt release and on semi-auto handguns I prefer to always use the slide release
Good thing the cocking tube is replaceable, I dunno if its a DIY or gunsmith level job
Requires cutting, welding and refinishing the gun.
@Ryan Knoll nevermind then...
As a machinist/engineer and gun enthusiast I approve the HK slap
I automatically thought of the movie RED where Helen Mirren and John Malkovich were fending off bad guys using the MP5 and Malkovich was handing freshly loaded guns and she was doing the slap.