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  • Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2024

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  • @Kutan
    @Kutan 12 лет назад +357

    Considering this is a Transformer, within a Transformer, within a Transformer. It still took way less time than any transformation animation in Cybertron. XD

    • @KudaGeatsune3821
      @KudaGeatsune3821 3 года назад +19

      Add in victory Leo and he could probably fight any modern transformer and win

    • @toastedroastedpeanuts
      @toastedroastedpeanuts 3 года назад +16

      while I highly doubt Star Saber could single handedly defeat, oh I don't know, *_Unicron,_* the levels of inception transformers have gone to is getting a little out of hand lol

    • @gluever54
      @gluever54 2 года назад +4

      Well the original toy of Star Saber is quite simple so..

    • @tlaxaeltorrestorres7149
      @tlaxaeltorrestorres7149 5 месяцев назад

      ek emjior

    • @johnprime1147
      @johnprime1147 5 месяцев назад +1

      I rewatched the Cybertron show. And yea the music is good. But the transformations are so long

  • @sound1wave2
    @sound1wave2 15 лет назад +114

    i always admired how japanese mangakas are able to imagine all the technical and shape details of the robot's bodies

    • @NazriB
      @NazriB 2 года назад +1

      Lies again? Sheng Siong

  • @mitchsantona
    @mitchsantona 14 лет назад +106

    Love everything about that. Theshear time it took was epic. Plus the song sounds like a Disney ride

  • @JMurdochNZ
    @JMurdochNZ 3 года назад +103

    I love how the Decepticons just kind of politely wait while he transforms.

    • @SwiftNimblefoot
      @SwiftNimblefoot Год назад +15

      They learned that from Sailor Moon villains. :) The japanese are just that polite. :)

    • @orphenocou4742
      @orphenocou4742 Год назад +12

      Lol one of the things I’m so glad Tomino addressed with Gundam. Every transformation and docking it’s a risk they’ll be shot at. Amuro Rey even does some tests in the original MSG to speed up his dock time and notes the left side of the Gundam is especially vulnerable during docking.

    • @pendragonxt3674
      @pendragonxt3674 Год назад +18

      Or rather, this happens very fast in the show’s time and the show slows it down to show us how awesome it is.

    • @トーキ-g8v
      @トーキ-g8v 10 месяцев назад +8

      @@orphenocou4742I mean, that was a thing since Mazinger Z. There were so many episodes were the monster of the week tried killing the Mazinger or the pilot while they weren’t combined.

    • @orphenocou4742
      @orphenocou4742 10 месяцев назад +3

      @@トーキ-g8v interesting. Were they actually firing on the mazinger as they were combining? I feel like stock footage is used so often in transformation/combining sequences it’s a rare sight, though individual components might get blasted until they decide to dock.

  • @SoulCrystal214
    @SoulCrystal214 11 лет назад +55

    He gets even bigger when combined with Victory Leo. He's called Victory Saber in that form. Star Saber, even when he's not combined with Victory Leo, is a freakin' powerhouse.

    • @Ravelowsky
      @Ravelowsky Год назад +2

      You are right my friend... Victory Leo was the new name of Optimus prime after her died..

    • @ShadowMoon878
      @ShadowMoon878 Год назад +9

      @@Ravelowsky No it is not Optimus Prime. It is Ginrai. Optimus Prime is dead after the first Transformers Movie and Rodimus Prime took over, which is known as the Headmasters series. After that is the MasterForce series where a human transector, which is basically an organic robot, became the "soul" of the Transformers. A guy named Ginrai is a transector and the truck he drove is basically an Optimus clone. He would later be able to merge with a Battle Bus called GodBomber to become God Ginrai. It was God Ginrai who became Victory Leo. The Star Saber series ia basically the continuation of the MasterForce series. If you notice, the pilot entered the robot by saying "Brain Set". That pilot is a human transector.

    • @GlitchanBlack
      @GlitchanBlack Месяц назад +1

      @@ShadowMoon878Ginrai is the Japanese name. The name for Ginrai in English is - and I’m not making this up - MAGNUS PRIME.
      Either name is acceptable, but either way, Ginrai/Magnus Prime ≠ Optimus Prime.

    • @Cretaceous158
      @Cretaceous158 10 дней назад

      @@GlitchanBlack Ginrai's American toy name is Powermaster Optimus Prime and Hi-Q. I think you are thinking of Ultra Magnus, a separate character. The English dub calls Ginrai Optimus Prime though, but the Omni dubs are garbage.

  • @DOI_ARTS
    @DOI_ARTS Год назад +34

    Animator: How many Robot heads do you want to transform?
    Director: YES

  • @bong264
    @bong264 14 лет назад +15

    you know your transformation is AWESOME!!! when it takes place in a grid background with a cast of japanese singers off of the set and the final product slashes you in the face. TRANSFORMERS VICTORY FOREVER!!!

  • @Vachidra
    @Vachidra  16 лет назад +46

    It's so true, RID reminds me a lot of the Brave series as well, They are both like bookends of the Brave series after all, timewise. Only thing Victory is lacking is a robot that turns into a Police car.

    • @SenseiRaisen
      @SenseiRaisen 3 года назад +1

      There is one who transform into a police car.

    • @hyperkirbo3649
      @hyperkirbo3649 3 года назад +1

      @@SenseiRaisen Although, he doesn't combine.

    • @Cretaceous158
      @Cretaceous158 10 дней назад

      Stakeout/Holi:

  • @icd11559
    @icd11559 10 лет назад +79

    何度見ても、最初の顔がウルトラマグナスなのに、最後はコンボイ顔なんだよなwww

  • @carnut015
    @carnut015 9 лет назад +22

    I love the good mech animation. It takes me back to my childhood.

  • @wotafa
    @wotafa 15 лет назад +82

    燃える過ぎるw

  • @youmongrel
    @youmongrel 10 лет назад +272

    - Finishes transforming
    - Enemies are asleep in bed already

  • @hyperkirbo3649
    @hyperkirbo3649 3 года назад +20

    Star Saber and God Ginrai are the grand-fathers of Brave Robots. All with combinations and transformations.
    If not for them, Brave series wouldn't be in the first place.

    • @geoffhatch4996
      @geoffhatch4996 2 года назад +6

      Mazinger (piloted robots) -> Diaclone -> Transformers -> Transformers Victory -> Brave Franchise
      Yeah I would say that is a sound conclusion.

  • @DECP-DWD24
    @DECP-DWD24 6 лет назад +59

    Star Saber could easily crush DOTM Sentinel Prime less than a minute.

    • @zenadogon64games32
      @zenadogon64games32 3 года назад +1

      Ouh sheet,belial atrocious

    • @UncleAsmos2005
      @UncleAsmos2005 Год назад

      Late but- Yeah
      Star Saber is known as the greatest swordsman in the galaxy for a reason.

    • @composedflame3086
      @composedflame3086 9 месяцев назад

      @@UncleAsmos2005also technically known as the strongest sword in the transformers multiverse

  • @tjlising
    @tjlising 10 лет назад +51

    One of the coolest Autobots ever! I love TF Victory! Cant wait for the masterpiece next year!

  • @Rickyralph
    @Rickyralph 2 года назад +24

    I’m not going lie this was cool af. They need to modernize this character and put him in a New Transformers series.

    • @juliox9
      @juliox9 Год назад +4

      They did in IMDb comic and while he look even cooler, he character is completely changed into a religious tyranical sealot, insted of the hero he is here

    • @saldzbob9972
      @saldzbob9972 Год назад +7

      ​@@juliox9the writers who included him in that universe hates him.

    • @Cretaceous158
      @Cretaceous158 10 дней назад

      @@juliox9 IDW, not IMDB.

  • @psychokitty444
    @psychokitty444 2 года назад +5

    You could totally work this transformation scheme into an action scene with enough imagination. Like Optimus touching down in the street to clean house in Chicago, only Saber's getting bigger and stronger as he goes.

  • @kenhawkins6019
    @kenhawkins6019 9 лет назад +65

    Star Saber rules!!! He's one of my top favorite Autobots!!!

  • @Deadman21221
    @Deadman21221 9 лет назад +81

    Bayformers Optimus Vs Star Saber and my money is on Star Saber for sure.

    • @TezTriden
      @TezTriden 4 года назад

      Cyclonus says no

  • @Vachidra
    @Vachidra  14 лет назад +4

    @MATTCOSSIN It never ceases to amaze me how fans of the original show look back on it with such rose-colored glasses.

  • @whiteraven1992
    @whiteraven1992 14 лет назад +12

    I always thought of Star Saber as a more heroic version of Starscream for some strange reason...

  • @hagener
    @hagener 12 лет назад +4

    Last week I woke up with this song on mind, well, just the rythm.. then I had it on my head all the time, but unable to remember where I heard it. after a hard search, I´m obviously having a huge nostalgia attack. D:

  • @lztallxoshi2383
    @lztallxoshi2383 2 года назад +1

    My childhood,Thank you for bringing back the old good time🥲

  • @BUMBLEJAZZ10
    @BUMBLEJAZZ10 3 года назад +8

    The perfect transformation doesn't exi.....

  • @gigaslave
    @gigaslave 11 лет назад +2

    I still have the old Supreme-class Star Saber action figure from back in the day. 'Twas the best Christmas present of my childhood.

  • @vanderghast72
    @vanderghast72 14 лет назад +2

    modern series and movies never will have that feeling and intensity, 80's transformers are and will be always the best

  • @vickymiron9944
    @vickymiron9944 10 лет назад +12

    Ever time I hear this I feel like I have to transform one of my transfomers

  • @DWolf2k2
    @DWolf2k2 12 лет назад +35

    Wait, let me get this straight...Anaheim Electronics made a Completely AI Controlled Version of ZZ Gundam?

  • @jj-p9w
    @jj-p9w Год назад +3

    スターセイバーの声がワンピースのドフラミンゴなんて、、信じられん

  • @Vachidra
    @Vachidra  16 лет назад +12

    Oh, okay, heheh, well there you go.
    We got a main character leader robot with a super mode, who later on meets another robot who can combine with him to make a "Great" mode, a couple of combiner teams to assist, a police bot, and their kid mascot. The only thing that would make it more like a Brave show would be a Train Combiner, heheheh.

  • @Vachidra
    @Vachidra  15 лет назад +6

    Umm, back in 89 they DID release a figure of this guy.

  • @warpstarrogue3554
    @warpstarrogue3554 3 года назад +3

    This supreme commander is currently my personal favorite transformer. Except his IDW counterpart, that guy’s a disgrace to the name

  • @reyonXIII
    @reyonXIII Год назад +2

    While tough, so glad that the HasLab Victory Saber toy is such fun to transform and actually be a playable toy (within reason and care, of course).
    And of course, the use of the theme beats you on the head that of the four JG1 theme songs, it's the coolest!

  • @fishpop
    @fishpop Год назад +4

    HasLab Victory Saber hype!
    This guy was designed by one of the Gundam designers and you can tell.
    I could totally see him as a Mobile Suit nee Gundam slaughtering Zaku.

  • @FishlipsMalone
    @FishlipsMalone 12 лет назад +3

    yep, this is one of the cartoons that gave in to the big MECHA-ERA ever since gundam in
    1979. and was ofc influenced by the extended transformers/voltron saga in japan at least.

  • @gerardocm9116
    @gerardocm9116 5 лет назад +6

    El comandante supremo, el verdadero líder que las películas de transformers no supieron aprovechar en la pantalla grande

  • @jmanners
    @jmanners 15 лет назад +5

    yeah, but what I'm saying is like a Masterpiece version that has a lot more articulation than the old ones. The old ones were practically bricks, but imagine a masterpiece version of this guy, with all three modes and he is able to transform with great poseability.

  • @AndroidGuatemala
    @AndroidGuatemala 2 года назад +7

    Que buenos recuerdos, me da nostalgia ver esto.

  • @faustoolivares4314
    @faustoolivares4314 8 лет назад +2

    I don't know how to speak japanese, but every time I hear this song I sing, this show is one of my personal favorites, and I would like to see the show in TV, it's not the same thing to watch it on the Internet than watch it on tv.

  • @Vachidra
    @Vachidra  17 лет назад +5

    Transformers V is the name I think, also the opening theme to Transformers Victory.

  • @Vachidra
    @Vachidra  11 лет назад +6

    So, the really cheerful Prime character died and came back as a vector drawing of a lion?
    Your crazy misspelled universe sounds interesting. =D

  • @prowlus
    @prowlus 3 года назад +4

    And now Hasbro are gonna give us a star saber albeit a pricey one

  • @cliffjumper1984
    @cliffjumper1984 15 лет назад +3

    It would be great if they did one every 3 months..There is alot of figures I would want to seen done like that, Not just from G1 like you said..So star Saber. Masterpeice God Ginri! Shit like that!

  • @holsson85
    @holsson85 11 лет назад +6

    I recently got a Star Saber AND Victory Leo, freaking amazing toys, holy shit!

    • @edDbalaM
      @edDbalaM 3 года назад

      wtf perfect grade ? u can send a pic

  • @radhy007
    @radhy007 3 года назад +2

    Lovely childhood 🥰.

  • @MajingaZ
    @MajingaZ 16 лет назад +4

    That robot isn't Optimus Prime, is Ginrai from Masterforce(the translation was poorly done) In Victory is rebuilt as Victory Leo and combines with Star Saber.
    I am the only who thinks that the opening theme of Victory is great? I even memorized the lyrics...
    Victory looks like the Yuusha shows in a bunch of things. Maybe it's the Brave show number zero, "Seigi no Yuusha StarSaber" XD

  • @khhnator
    @khhnator 11 лет назад +10

    did i just see a robot going inside a robot inside a robot?

  • @Isaac-gh5ku
    @Isaac-gh5ku 3 года назад +14

    There are two versions of Star Saber.
    This very underrated Autobot.
    And the magic sword that everyone is familiar with.

    • @dinoguy163
      @dinoguy163 2 года назад +3

      And the third version which is, ugh the IDW version.

    • @gabrielchee8470
      @gabrielchee8470 2 года назад +1

      @@dinoguy163 oh and the sword has 2 versions: the Armada one where it's fused from 3 minicons, and the aligned ine

    • @dmitrykhvostik5975
      @dmitrykhvostik5975 2 года назад +3

      @@dinoguy163 Primus diagnoses you with Heresy!

    • @miyako1909
      @miyako1909 2 года назад +3

      @@dinoguy163 I hate how IDW turned him into a religious fanatic. IDW made most Japanese exclusive Transformers into jokes like Star Saber, Dai Atlas, etc.

  • @zesharnarcher-khan5871
    @zesharnarcher-khan5871 10 лет назад +1

    Love this I watched this as a kid and I still love it today

  • @jmanners
    @jmanners 15 лет назад +2

    that would've been really cool if they released a leader class version of this guy, with the combination too!

  • @ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2
    @ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2 6 лет назад +5

    This guy deserves a new Hasbro toy for so long

  • @DESTRAKON
    @DESTRAKON 3 года назад +1

    This dude took a super nova to the face.. let that sink in

  • @erique82
    @erique82 13 лет назад +3

    I grew up watching this awesome show! Now that I think of it, robot in robot in robot in another robot? - transformersception! FTW! XD

  • @joejunior5991
    @joejunior5991 6 месяцев назад +1

    The MOST Super Robot Autobot ever made, make sense since this is a Prototype for Brave Series

  • @knuckles8338
    @knuckles8338 10 лет назад +11

    For those who don't know, it was a vote in japan for all these guys to be the next mp : fort max, Powermaster prime, star saber, dai atlas, optimus primal (season 1 bw), Lio convoy, Bigconvoy, Fire convoy (robots in disguise prime), armada prime, energon prime, and Cybertron(galaxy force) prime. star saber won. with armada prime as a close second. I would have loved to see the power pants actually have articulation imo.

    • @syafiqjabar
      @syafiqjabar 9 лет назад

      Apparently Star Saber will get a Hasbro release, because there's a translator saying he's working on the bio for the toy. Interestingly, he also says that while the Takara version will use his Victory bio, the Hasbro version will use the IDW religious zealot version.

    • @raghavaindra8674
      @raghavaindra8674 9 лет назад

      knuckles8338 I can't believe they did not vote a fort max for the next masterpiece, that would have been extra awesome, and also good for the generations line. I'm surprised that was even an option, considering how big it would have to be. syafiqjabar yeah they would go with his idw one, since that is what is hot right now with current audiences.

    • @georgijtugusi
      @georgijtugusi 9 лет назад

      +Raghava Indra I think that an option of MP Fortress Maximus meant the "Cerebros" unit. Do you even imagine how huge should Fort Max's big mode be to fit into MP scale? Star Saber for now is the tallest Masterpiece figure. Plus we are getting Generations version of Fortress Maximus. It is supposed to be a huge redeco of Generations Metroplex and it is supposed to be released on the 19th of February of 2016.

    • @dol_mel7487
      @dol_mel7487 8 лет назад

      +Raghava Indra the reason why probably related to size cause the thing would be fucking massive fortress is the size of optimus and people in japan don't got space for that btw people did vote for him though

    • @gespenstmk-iii111
      @gespenstmk-iii111 7 лет назад +2

      I really hope we get more MPs that aren't just G1 and Beast Wars, because RID (2001) and JP Beast Wars always get nothin'.

  • @nyunyumiwi
    @nyunyumiwi 13 лет назад +2

    THIS IS BADASS
    now im not saying the western version is lesser in any way, im just saying that this show was entertaining too. both are. there is no need to make comparisons.
    for example why can't a person enjoy Sym-Bionic Titan and Gurren Lagann at the same time? i guess it's all a matter of taste

  • @naganakal100
    @naganakal100 12 лет назад

    OMG i've been looking for this movie for a long long time ago!!! TQVM for upload !!!

  • @6CTCEL
    @6CTCEL 14 лет назад +1

    perhaps its because their real bodies are so small so they're easier to repair and they could survive having their larger shells destroyed

  • @spencermanning9994
    @spencermanning9994 3 года назад +1

    Star Saber has become one of my favorite Transformers characters, besides Optimus Prime, Megatron, Rodimus Prime, Optimus Primal, Dinobot, etc. There's just something so unique about him.

    • @SudrianTales
      @SudrianTales 2 года назад

      Like adopting a human child?

    • @spencermanning9994
      @spencermanning9994 2 года назад +1

      @@SudrianTales Kind of. He also feels more like a Tokusatsu superhero.

  • @weedleisopcute3626
    @weedleisopcute3626 2 года назад +1

    It was long enough to have the OP playing in the background… Noice

  • @VanillaFejz
    @VanillaFejz 13 лет назад +1

    What can be cooler then robots? Maby a Robot TRANSFORMING IN TO A ROBOT!? epic!

  • @GadGades
    @GadGades 13 лет назад +2

    gotta love transformations

  • @SoulCrystal214
    @SoulCrystal214 11 лет назад +5

    God Ginrai reborn is called Victory Leo, not Victory Saber. Victory Saber is the name of Star Saber's combination with Victory Leo.

  • @RobinSwede
    @RobinSwede 6 лет назад +4

    I like how the brain master resembles the complete combined mode.

  • @MrDEMarq
    @MrDEMarq 3 года назад +10

    I wish IDW didn't turn him into a S.J.W like villain..

  • @valsione38
    @valsione38 12 лет назад +1

    Good thing in latin america we saw the entire series on TV.
    Star Saber FTW

  • @MrKaji010
    @MrKaji010 2 года назад +1

    This is my childhood.

  • @didjargo
    @didjargo 14 лет назад +2

    Now that's Japanese cartoons for you. Transforming robots piloting transforming robots that transform into robots that transform into things that transform into robots.

  • @MaDaO-Ex
    @MaDaO-Ex 3 года назад +1

    歌が好きすぎるw

  • @boru25
    @boru25 9 лет назад +5

    Amazing transformation!

  • @kimixreal
    @kimixreal 12 лет назад +1

    Back in 90s this transformation scene n song was the only reason I like this series.. LOL childhood days

  • @omegamaximus1727
    @omegamaximus1727 3 года назад +3

    Who is here after HasLab Star Saber got fully funded.

  • @junjin93
    @junjin93 15 лет назад +1

    Hope I could see Star Saber in 3rd transformer movie..it must be cool!!

  • @Vachidra
    @Vachidra  13 лет назад +3

    @Primus2X The day I accept ANYTHING Kissplayers has done as canon...

  • @kyoudoku
    @kyoudoku 8 лет назад +2

    No wonder I didn't know this guy. He was in Transformers Victory.

  • @obliviousfafnir01
    @obliviousfafnir01 11 лет назад

    Stuff like this really makes my day on youtube :D

  • @LordVanOskuro
    @LordVanOskuro 2 года назад

    Such music, such cheesiness. Oh I totally get "zealot" vibes here.

  • @kuklamatunes0706
    @kuklamatunes0706 11 лет назад +1

    Of course, it's 50% of fun for every series.

  • @Edaroo_
    @Edaroo_ 14 лет назад +1

    sin duda la parte que mas me gustaba y esperaba en cada capitulo...

  • @jufrabappa
    @jufrabappa 13 лет назад +1

    OH GOD!!
    it still gives me goosebumps!!

  • @TheRainbowTribe
    @TheRainbowTribe 11 лет назад +5

    ill form the head!!!, sword of omens give me sight beyond sight!!!!!!!

  • @LoranCehack
    @LoranCehack 17 лет назад +1

    Star Saber is so badass.

  • @SoulCrystal214
    @SoulCrystal214 11 лет назад +2

    Actually, if you count the V-Star on its own, Star Saber has six forms without Victory Leo.

  • @primal2020
    @primal2020 16 лет назад +2

    this guy should appear in more tf series,i mean wing saber from energon was cool but it's just not the same

  • @somericanguy
    @somericanguy 12 лет назад +1

    A transforming robot that fit inside another transforming robot that also fits in a trasnforming robot? Xzibit would be enthralled...

  • @anti4kids2000
    @anti4kids2000 12 лет назад +3

    @TheR0flman Wow, you really need to do some research. Power Rangers is an English adaptation of an ongoing Japanese show that was before Voltron was around. Meaning, they took footage, mecha, suits, from it and made it into their own show. Read about Super Sentai.

  • @panaceaartist
    @panaceaartist 13 лет назад

    one way you can tell the G1 transformers was made in japan is if you look at the humans, spike and sparkplug, spike looks almost exactly like amuro ray or camille bidan from gundam and zeta gundam, another robot anime produced around the same time as transformers G1...

  • @Vachidra
    @Vachidra  13 лет назад +2

    @irrespondible Zone was ONE episode, I'd hardly call that a series.

  • @vanderghast72
    @vanderghast72 14 лет назад

    actual transformers will never be this great!!

  • @Vachidra
    @Vachidra  14 лет назад +1

    @didjargo okay, it's not that complex, okay? the gimmick of that series was a small robot that functions as a vehicle's driver, the vehicle turns into a body and the small robot forms into the chest and face, that's all. and Star Saber, being the leader, got an upgrade module that he can combine with to make a bigger, more powerful robot, okay? I really wish people would stop acting like is so complicated.

  • @tokyoraptor9415
    @tokyoraptor9415 5 лет назад

    I was expecting a drill weapon tbh
    My drill is the drill that will pierce the heavens

  • @VitaminD313
    @VitaminD313 16 лет назад

    Whoa thats a long transformation. O_O He kinda reminds me of Voltron a little.

  • @MajingaZ
    @MajingaZ 16 лет назад

    The robot leader of the Rescue Patrol that is the best friend of the human boy turns into a police car. His name in japanese was Holi. So we have a police car too XD

  • @LunaticReason
    @LunaticReason 12 лет назад

    @Vachidra Omg I have never seen this shown or the others you mentioned. I grew up with the original Transformers now I am gonna have to find these shows to watch.

  • @SuperUltra
    @SuperUltra 15 лет назад +1

    I really hope they somehow blend the Victory Transformers into the movie franchise somehow.

  • @sonicguyver7445
    @sonicguyver7445 2 года назад +1

    The brainmaster looks just like the first body it goes into. Kind of trippy going into a larger verion of yourself. I wonder if it's a metaphor?

  • @Guyverman01
    @Guyverman01 Год назад

    He needs his formal introduction in a western series. Maybe he could be the main protagonist for once.

  • @PrimusProductions
    @PrimusProductions 13 лет назад

    @panaceaartist I noticed too the first time I saw Gundam, that Amuro ray looks like a member of the Witwickys.

  • @David315842
    @David315842 14 лет назад +1

    @MATTCOSSIN But of course. Those little things really stood out and helped to get the series noticed in America. At this point when Victory was made, Takara and Toei Animation took the liberty of making the show more anime-esque by doing a few things, like showing you a full 1 minute transformation to Star Saber to show why he is supposed to be as epic as Prime was etc.

  • @SenseiRaisen
    @SenseiRaisen 3 года назад

    And to think Victory was the fundation to what we know today as the "Brave series".