I was on that exact same map, same battle mode as Odd'z. Went on the same flank as him as well, alerted the team to it too. Got pincered, went out again alerted the team again. Got pincered again. The team got absolutely stomped as those tanks pushed forward and pincered everyone else as well. Not one team member came to help me. I feel your pain.
With all the shell ejection animations they've been adding, I really hope they don't forget conqueror. Not many realise it had an auto-eject system. That's what that door on the right side of the turret is for.
That shoot at IS-4M is beautiful ( 18:36 ). Purpose of big Conqueror's gun exactly shown here. To defeat soviet heavies. 140mm armour at good angles! Just beautiful, like a knife through butter.
He actually shot the 160mm armor part, not the 140. Also, iirc that part is volumetric, and he hit the edge, so he propably went through less than 100mm lol
@@SP-sy5nq I'm just a couch expert in tanks, but broken barrel can lead to shell detonation inside it, but it's only possibility. It would not lead to shell being a potato with zero damage.
Sabo is bugged still it seems like if any parts hit the sabo(example: optics or turret drive) it simply disappears. Because if you shoot low on a T 54 the sabo still travels the length of the vehicle. But the moment it hits an optic the sabo is gone
I have never noticed this. I play with the m60 and it's never happened to me. But then again the m60's APDS has fuckall spall damage so I HAVE to aim for weak spots ._.
@@Fizzyxd it's a bug introduced after the update with the penetration buff to sabo so I'm not surprised u didn't notice it but go grab a T 54 and shoot the upper front plate in the hanger if u look closely you'll notice only the Shrapnel will appear and the sabo is gone
So it is a bug but not how you're thinking, after the update APDS would take a hard turn post pen and launch through the floor of the tank, for reasons no one can explain. That's the bug, the "fix" is that they turned off APDS post pen so it just disappears, then bumped up the spalling to hope that the spalling would replace the slug itself. This is fine like 90% of the time... except when fighting things with spaced armor, check out the class 3P in protection analysis and you'll see the thin spaced armor (in particular the turret, it's not even consistent among spaced armor) completely invalidates the APDS, even a 500mm pen one like the conqueror. It's so fucked up it's actually insane.
Thought I'd mention the shell disappearing is a bug I saw in a video by Spookston detailing what's wrong with the recent update and he listed that as a bug
Unless you have an encyclopaedic knowledge of where to hit tanks at the BR you're playing at, APDS is basically the assist king. That being said it's been amazing for Wingman wagers, very few things will out assist you so getting the higher levels of that wager has been fairly easy.
The day the update dropped it seemed like the apds post pin was great buffed I was using a 5.7 British line up and destroying everyone I came across in one shot with a sabot
It's thanks to this buff and the general survivability and mobility of the Conq that I managed to drop my first ever nuke since they were introduced. It's also become one of my favorite 7.7 vehicles only beaten out by the AMX-30.
@@limibaen low pen heatfs that is, anything more than 380mm of pen of heatfs can go through, things like m103 leopards and ikv, low pen heatfs though cannot such as the m47, bmp1 and most of the annoying stuff like the raketnaut, ush and 90mm heat in genreal. worth nothing the mantlet seems to swallow everything more than half the time, including atgms, ive experienceed it many times swalloing 400mm heatfs and atgms to the mantlet, u could even take a look at the armor viewer and see it literally eats everything
Theres an even worse bug that surprisingly Spookstons the only CC has mentioned where specifically Swedish APDS (Even if its actually a russian or british shell) Are going straight down on a penetrating shot
Have been trying to grind for the Chieftain with the Conqueror and the APDS had been awful for me. So much to the point that i have resorted to using HESH almost exclusively. Although HESH can be hard to use I've found that it alot more reliable.
@@cheetahda1o763 I would recommend the APHE on the patton and try and hit side shots and flanks and learning weak spots, because you face plenty of light tanks which are an easy one shot
As a british 5.3-8.0 main, Interestingly this update has fucked up spalling on british apds (which was already minimal), and it increased ‘shell shattered’ moments, whenever you hit an optic or an overlap. I’d argue it is a nerf, since the apds on the 17pdr was already penetrating almost everything at it’s br
Playing last night and I had T54 apds shatter against a light tank several times in the one engagement.... 🤔🤔 Is that a sign of things to look forward to?
Its good tank but nothin special. I think that this much Pen Is more of a downside than Help. Even before it used to overpen often. But if you know to hit ammo and use armor Smart it Is pretty decent tank
I tried to use the conquerer the other day but I've given up, that big pen value is good and all but it's useless because the apds just doesn't work I've found, a T-44s upper front plate can ricochet this round somehow...
The Conqueror APDS has been strange. So much pen and yet it bounces off of a Leo 1 turret face. But you can kill the entire turret crew of an M48 if it pens and spalling is insane.
All the comments about the calibre- yes, the T10 may have a 122mm gun, but, I don't know which tank has the LARGER penetrator. As in, once the Sabot falls away/flies off, which actual round is greater in diameter?
Conqueror is my most played tank, my issue is the armor over the speed, the speed is fine, heavy tanks shouldnt be fast and dont need to be. Imo I wish the conquerors armor profile was more consistent.
It was already way better then the maus/e100 and it got even better perhaps the maus/e100 can finally get the 7.3 it needed the past 2 years and this can go to 8.0
@@michaelbeale559 To be fair I can go as far as to use all my spawns available if I got so immersed into the match (or frustrated, depending on the situation) Through I've found myself normally spawning 3 times by the end of a relatively average/good match, 2 times if I'm having a bad time And I want it to stay that way
It depends on the projectile hardness too, if its pushing metal apart, that metal is squeezing back on the APDS, which could make it just grenade on the other side of the armor, too fractured and decompressing with no core slug.
conquerer is so neat that the commander actually has a seperate turret within the turret able to focus on the next target and mark it so after first target is down the turret turns to second target that the commander had eyes on already, very neat and i dont care about any of warthunders qwirks but, but they need to do something about the barrel going through rocks and buildings why not just make it solid like everything else, itll be tough to get used to but if gta5 can do it warthunder can...then u can actually use buildings to turn ur turret faster especially in an m10
About the core diapering while its most likley a bug apds cores are generally made out of 1 of 2 materials. Tungsten alloy or tungsten carbide. One is brittle and will shatter during penetration
The thing with a lack of spooling from apds is that the shrapnel comes from the enemy armour, so if you pen thin armour you don’t get much. Therefore, somewhat counter intuitively it’s best to pen the thickest armour, if you can pen it. (Except on leo’s they are broken)
Shoutout to Gaijin for making APDS make no sense. The 120 on the Conq has almost 500mm of pen where the Chieftain with the same caliber has 200mm less pen. But the 84mm 20 pdr has almost 400 but the 105 L7 has like 350. Make that make sense in any world. If I’m correct that means that the Charioteer can UFP a Tiger 2 at 1000m+ but a Chieftain cannot.
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129th try, please play T-80 (2.3 light tank) and the T-28e (2.3). The T-28e is in the T-28 folder.
Is there any chance you will play with benny and phly? Watching your old videos and it is outrageous how funny you guys get when playing together lol
"Am I gonna be the only one on our flank?" Story of my life in WT.
I was on that exact same map, same battle mode as Odd'z. Went on the same flank as him as well, alerted the team to it too. Got pincered, went out again alerted the team again. Got pincered again. The team got absolutely stomped as those tanks pushed forward and pincered everyone else as well. Not one team member came to help me. I feel your pain.
@@richardwales9674 It be like that sometimes...
With all the shell ejection animations they've been adding, I really hope they don't forget conqueror. Not many realise it had an auto-eject system. That's what that door on the right side of the turret is for.
dude its gonna be forgotten, the snail doesnt care about the british tech tree!
@@KingBawzthe1st They give it more attention than the American tree, at least they didn't lock a most common vehicle behind and Event like the M8 car.
That shoot at IS-4M is beautiful ( 18:36 ). Purpose of big Conqueror's gun exactly shown here. To defeat soviet heavies. 140mm armour at good angles! Just beautiful, like a knife through butter.
He actually shot the 160mm armor part, not the 140.
Also, iirc that part is volumetric, and he hit the edge, so he propably went through less than 100mm lol
conqueror literally can't pen the upper plate 140mm angled 64degrees
@@petrkdn8224 “he shot the 160mm part not the 160”
???
@GNuzwo1lk meant to type 140.
140mm is front, 160mm is the angled bits
400+ penetration goes brrrrr
6:25 I like that when breach is broken, tanks will still fire, but round will just make no damage. That is making no sense.
Same with broken barrel, surely it would just reduce pen and accuracy than delete the shell
Same with broken barrel, surely it would just reduce pen and accuracy than delete the shell
Same with broken barrel, surely it would just reduce pen and accuracy than delete the shell
@@SP-sy5nq I'm just a couch expert in tanks, but broken barrel can lead to shell detonation inside it, but it's only possibility. It would not lead to shell being a potato with zero damage.
@Danoncho apds wouldn't explode or any fin/sabot rounds they are only metal with fins not solid shot rounds like aphe, hesh, heat
Sabo is bugged still it seems like if any parts hit the sabo(example: optics or turret drive) it simply disappears. Because if you shoot low on a T 54 the sabo still travels the length of the vehicle. But the moment it hits an optic the sabo is gone
I have never noticed this. I play with the m60 and it's never happened to me. But then again the m60's APDS has fuckall spall damage so I HAVE to aim for weak spots ._.
@@Fizzyxd Odd bawz shows it off in the video too your sabo simply disappears, especially when he hits a turret ring
@@Fizzyxd it's a bug introduced after the update with the penetration buff to sabo so I'm not surprised u didn't notice it but go grab a T 54 and shoot the upper front plate in the hanger if u look closely you'll notice only the Shrapnel will appear and the sabo is gone
So it is a bug but not how you're thinking, after the update APDS would take a hard turn post pen and launch through the floor of the tank, for reasons no one can explain. That's the bug, the "fix" is that they turned off APDS post pen so it just disappears, then bumped up the spalling to hope that the spalling would replace the slug itself. This is fine like 90% of the time... except when fighting things with spaced armor, check out the class 3P in protection analysis and you'll see the thin spaced armor (in particular the turret, it's not even consistent among spaced armor) completely invalidates the APDS, even a 500mm pen one like the conqueror.
It's so fucked up it's actually insane.
@@Fizzyxd it's only the conqueror
Conquerer is a beautiful combination of all the qualities that make the British ground tree special and I love it to bits
Thought I'd mention the shell disappearing is a bug I saw in a video by Spookston detailing what's wrong with the recent update and he listed that as a bug
Unless you have an encyclopaedic knowledge of where to hit tanks at the BR you're playing at, APDS is basically the assist king.
That being said it's been amazing for Wingman wagers, very few things will out assist you so getting the higher levels of that wager has been fairly easy.
You say that like the conway doesnt exist.
YES finally a WT content creator made a vid on the 120mm for the Conquerer/Conway APDS buff
my absolute favorite tank, both in game and irl, thanks for covering it!
It would be really cool if you did a guide for beginners where you just play some games, but you explain every thing you are doing.
Sloped pen falls off at range much faster and early APDS currently shatters real quick
The day the update dropped it seemed like the apds post pin was great buffed I was using a 5.7 British line up and destroying everyone I came across in one shot with a sabot
Well if you call it pin, it shouldn't be very good needle-richard.
Gaijin being a silly goose by buffing a 7.7 tank with a 9.7 sabot and nerfing a 9.3 tank (kpz-70) by giving it a 7.7-worth apfsds
>7.7
>APFSDS
The conqueror needs a buff though. And it uses apds not apfsds. Just look at the 60 degree pen. Its bad.
Fun fact this was made to go against the is-3
Also it needs the burster plates on the lfp
If you think the t26e5 make you feel old.. your first nuke (in the Dev server) was on March 4th.. 2021. TWO years ago!
It's thanks to this buff and the general survivability and mobility of the Conq that I managed to drop my first ever nuke since they were introduced. It's also become one of my favorite 7.7 vehicles only beaten out by the AMX-30.
"not very many things can pen this thing"
*looks at the other APDS and heat slingers at its br and uptier*
Iv shot at this thing multiple times repeatedly with HEATFS and never penned it.
Add on armor completely eliminates the threat of Heat-fs
@@limibaen low pen heatfs that is, anything more than 380mm of pen of heatfs can go through, things like m103 leopards and ikv, low pen heatfs though cannot such as the m47, bmp1 and most of the annoying stuff like the raketnaut, ush and 90mm heat in genreal. worth nothing the mantlet seems to swallow everything more than half the time, including atgms, ive experienceed it many times swalloing 400mm heatfs and atgms to the mantlet, u could even take a look at the armor viewer and see it literally eats everything
@@taki0ps230 heat-fs in a whole is extremely inconsistent
@@limibaen very true. Its what makes the Ratels and the Eland very bad light tanks, because if the heat decides to do jack, youre punished for it.
6:11 whooooaaa look at the ATGMs cook odd when you killed that BMP!
Theres an even worse bug that surprisingly Spookstons the only CC has mentioned where specifically Swedish APDS (Even if its actually a russian or british shell) Are going straight down on a penetrating shot
I’ve had this from APDS of nations that aren’t Sweden
Love how you always speak out about (in the best accent ever btw) impending doom but somehow often come out on top. Cheers!
25:07 "Swedish... weird thing" You got me laughing! Nice work with this conqueror and its new round.
Have been trying to grind for the Chieftain with the Conqueror and the APDS had been awful for me. So much to the point that i have resorted to using HESH almost exclusively. Although HESH can be hard to use I've found that it alot more reliable.
It's so satisfying to get kills with too, I used to use it in my Patton to grind for the HEAT but I'm finding I do better with just the HESH
@@cheetahda1o763 I would recommend the APHE on the patton and try and hit side shots and flanks and learning weak spots, because you face plenty of light tanks which are an easy one shot
Same. I stopped playing for momths after getting frustrated by how there isnt a single redeemable quality about the centurions.
@@robertharris6092 True, though they are good tanks but they trade so much for having a stabilizer.
@@cowpuncher7672 they trade everything. A stabalizers useless if youre slower than a heavy tank.
06:09 did that bmp have team rocket in it or something, the hell was blasting off again to the side of that
I pooped soo much today already, and its just about 9am here.
any, ap round seems to either shrapnel, and hit every one, but no one dies, or it simply disappears. its quite saddening..
As a british 5.3-8.0 main,
Interestingly this update has fucked up spalling on british apds (which was already minimal), and it increased ‘shell shattered’ moments, whenever you hit an optic or an overlap. I’d argue it is a nerf, since the apds on the 17pdr was already penetrating almost everything at it’s br
5:14 "just bing chilling on some rocks" man I'm dead
I don't think the devs understand what a piece of hot steel bouncing at 1000m/s in a confined space can do
The T10M at 8.3 Russia is actually the biggest, with a 122mm with a APDS shell
no that would go to the e100and mouse with 128 apdshe
@@stormlord1177 no. You can't compare those 2 really. There is no filler in t10s and conqs penetrators.
I want to see him use the T10M
@Marin3r still the largest saboted round in game
@@Marin3r101 no, but theyre still apds rounds, so technically they do count.
Compare the current post-pen spalling of the Conqueror's 120mm APDS to the APBC shell of the French 120mm lol, this needs to be worked on.
All of post war france does.
wait, the T26E5 has been there for a year now?
wow, I feel old now too...
The bog roll in the back of the turret has me laughing
HEAT has been weird today as well. Havent been able to one shot much like usual.
Playing last night and I had T54 apds shatter against a light tank several times in the one engagement....
🤔🤔
Is that a sign of things to look forward to?
I remember when Phly played this and ever since this specimen has always intrigued me, now currently researching this
Its good tank but nothin special.
I think that this much Pen Is more of a downside than Help. Even before it used to overpen often. But if you know to hit ammo and use armor Smart it Is pretty decent tank
I was planning on skipping the mars in the French nation but the HOT light tank you unlock before the mars is so god damn awful for it’s tier.
Yeah apds keeps shell shattering even on some of the flatest angles, hope they fix it soon
Yesterday I shot a Wirbelwind around 5 times with the APDS of the T54E1 directly into the turret ring from the right side. No damage…
YO Odd! Good to see you my guy!
I tried to use the conquerer the other day but I've given up, that big pen value is good and all but it's useless because the apds just doesn't work I've found, a T-44s upper front plate can ricochet this round somehow...
Thanks OddBawZ ❤❤❤
hope you have a good day odd and everyone else
As an American I may exchange jovial jabs at Brits now and then but man they really have made some fun toys over the years lol
Btw SWE reserv tier 37mm now pen 115mm flat pen and the fact that tungsten APDS now shrapnel like HESH inside tanks… it’s stupid strong.
Seeing the R3 get slammed made me miss the goofy scream Odd used to add in old videos. 😁
Wait why is this stabilized beast at 7.7 but the crappier T10 series are 8.3, and the dogwater early T-54’s are 7.7 as well?
The Conqueror APDS has been strange. So much pen and yet it bounces off of a Leo 1 turret face. But you can kill the entire turret crew of an M48 if it pens and spalling is insane.
Odd! You have to take out the SU-57B again! Its been 4 years since you last showcased it! You know things have since changed alot since then!
All the comments about the calibre- yes, the T10 may have a 122mm gun, but, I don't know which tank has the LARGER penetrator. As in, once the Sabot falls away/flies off, which actual round is greater in diameter?
shut. up. at least it has more angle pen lmao
I have been having issues with pressing fire and nothing happening with the current patch myself. It's really irritating.
Conqueror is my most played tank, my issue is the armor over the speed, the speed is fine, heavy tanks shouldnt be fast and dont need to be. Imo I wish the conquerors armor profile was more consistent.
Toilet paper, the mvp of all the tank equipment!
It should have its own hitbox xD
Don't forget the Russian 122mm on the T-10M has APDS. I don't think it has as much effective pen but it's still slightly bigger
It has less mass, but is larger in caliber.
Nah I find APDS much worse than what it used to be and it was pretty bad before. That post pen damage is ridiculous.
I like how this tank APDS has more pen than the KPZ-70 APFSDS shell
And the m774 on the abrams
Good to know I wasn't going crazy everytime I shot at a Leopard and my APDS shell did nothing lol
Love you odd
Love the vid!! Keep it up!
It's weird M728 APDS did not change with the new update, though.
Because it’s tungsten alloy, not tungsten carbide like the new buffed APDS
Its a later development of APDS with much better angled performance. Then again so is chieftains and it got nerfed so typical gaijin ig
it's so satisfying to see your vids after a difficult day :))
Yeah you'd expect it to cave the leopard-1's armor in, only the turret ring just turns to "orange" 😂 Yeah that's the war thunder we all know.
I discovered that tanks have that second explosion when they respawn or when they leave the match
15:15
Damn, that was some high skill gameplay!
if you think about it dosent the maus have the biggest apds shell it is apheds tho but it has a 88mm shell while its cannon is 128mm
APHECBCDS technically.
@@robertharris6092 ye
@@robertharris6092what in the Deutschland does that stand for. I just got into WT and I haven't seen such an unsightly combination of letters
@@pencilcase8068 Armor Piercing High Exploaive Capped Ballistic Cap Discarding Sabot. Its a special shell the maus gets.
@@robertharris6092 thank you
It was already way better then the maus/e100 and it got even better perhaps the maus/e100 can finally get the 7.3 it needed the past 2 years and this can go to 8.0
The first game is why I don't like playing above 6.3 much. One guy on the enemy team respawned more than twice 😔
What’s wrong with that
@@mrsausageroll7344 Just doesn't feel like a real battle to me. Feels like I'm playing Search and Destory in CoD.
@@michaelbeale559 To be fair I can go as far as to use all my spawns available if I got so immersed into the match (or frustrated, depending on the situation)
Through I've found myself normally spawning 3 times by the end of a relatively average/good match, 2 times if I'm having a bad time
And I want it to stay that way
I love this tank. Type of tank where you sit and laugh when you’re not being penned yet can pen them
TY Odd!
Strv103 apds got huge buff
It depends on the projectile hardness too, if its pushing metal apart, that metal is squeezing back on the APDS, which could make it just grenade on the other side of the armor, too fractured and decompressing with no core slug.
I found this out and had to re read. this is some funky bs that I love since I love the tank
APDS can no longer pen overlapping plates, like on the Ferdinands hull, beyond 100m. It just shatters now.
6:45 I was speaking the line as you said it 😂 🇨🇭
You got to play the M551 Oddbawz
I remember I stopped playing the Conq years ago because the APDS at the time did worst post pen damage than
13:35 under appreciated turret toss
conquerer is so neat that the commander actually has a seperate turret within the turret able to focus on the next target and mark it so after first target is down the turret turns to second target that the commander had eyes on already, very neat and i dont care about any of warthunders qwirks but, but they need to do something about the barrel going through rocks and buildings why not just make it solid like everything else, itll be tough to get used to but if gta5 can do it warthunder can...then u can actually use buildings to turn ur turret faster especially in an m10
Yes the huge lag is the new hack. for the noskilled tankers. whatever they look at. they can lag that ip for that tank. and take them out.
the su-122-54 has 122mm apds aswell
He’s talking about the weight of the shell, not barrel diameter.
Wow nice video! I really like it good job!
Hey bawz you should really play the turm 3 with apds you will have more fun than deleting war thunder forever.
17:00
game: track
hitcam: a crewmember, and track didnt get destroyed
About the core diapering while its most likley a bug apds cores are generally made out of 1 of 2 materials. Tungsten alloy or tungsten carbide. One is brittle and will shatter during penetration
A really fun combo is cent 1 a spit mk 18 it be cool to see a video in those 2
The only thing keeping me from playing this anymore is the fact thiers no radar aa at 7.7 for britain, I really don't need to get bombed repeatedly
That last match was awesome. Really cool defensive play.
lol the way he said the armour while was good showing us 20 milimeters of armour
Wooooo!! One of the tanks i wanted!! Thanks
Kind of insane we get 190mm armour pen at 2.7, 265 at 5.3, and 385 at 6.3
The thing with a lack of spooling from apds is that the shrapnel comes from the enemy armour, so if you pen thin armour you don’t get much. Therefore, somewhat counter intuitively it’s best to pen the thickest armour, if you can pen it. (Except on leo’s they are broken)
I thought that bicycle was a folded wheelchair for battered crew members
Fun thing is,
APCR is alot more effective now in many Cases. Because if it penetrates it actually does good damage xD
Even more than heat-fs
Love GJ. Only this company buffs a completly broken tank.
this thing seems borderline op with a full stab and 450+ mm of pen
I am 10k Rp from researching the Conq. You couldn't have released this video at a better time
the t10 has a bigger apds shell at 122mm as oppose to 120mm of the conq
Lmbo.. "exploding like a neutron star kicked by chuck Norris"
Shoutout to Gaijin for making APDS make no sense. The 120 on the Conq has almost 500mm of pen where the Chieftain with the same caliber has 200mm less pen. But the 84mm 20 pdr has almost 400 but the 105 L7 has like 350. Make that make sense in any world. If I’m correct that means that the Charioteer can UFP a Tiger 2 at 1000m+ but a Chieftain cannot.