Yeah "OK" is a solid description. I have used mine a fair bit now (considering they have only just come out) and I certainly have not "misunderstood" the weight since my first run. Part of my recent run was up a steep high and certainly felt it there but once on the flat again, I also got "bored" and pushed along a bit. Of course I can pick up the pace in any shoe I have and you don't need to have ZoomX on the side to do so. Agree the Speed 3 is more "fun" as well as 100g lighter in my size. On the plus side the ZF5 is very comfortable and I actually reached for it out of choice as had stubbed my little toe and was able to adapt the fit to stop it rubbing there too much. BTW if you get a chance consider reviewing the Endorphin Pro 3. I raced in it last night and the first time have done so in a non Nike "ZoomX" shoe for some years and I certainly felt the only real "disadvantage" was me not my shoes.
@@EDDBUD Indeed - on both counts! Yeah about 280g and 380g. Sure we will be down to visit Sue's relatives in Mere/Shaftesbury before long so maybe then. I feel sure we did briefly chat after a Yeovil parkrun few years ago when on the old railway but before we knew who each other were due to sticking ourselves in front of a camera and waffling on about shoes!
Coming back after 9’months, TOOOK it to a trail rainy race in Richmond VA, bunch of hills and mud, shoe was VERY protective. And surprisingly high performing. Misunderstood shoes, the wear was scary at first but it’s good so far now after 150-200 miles
As you get older, explosive work, including plyometrics and weight lifting is key. It's something most people never do after they reach adulthood! And it's what's goes the quickest as we age. Use it or loose it!
I'm like the only guy in the universe who loves the ZF4 upper. In fact it's the upper that makes it such a great stable performer for long and tempo runs. When I heard about the ZF5 I bought another pair of ZF4. But now I have so many shoes it will probably be next year when I get the ZF5 on sale, so don't be surprised when I come back to this video in 2023! haha! Thanks for the review. Between you and FOD I'll still have this shoe on my list.
Just wanted to return to this video after a series of 25K and 35K runs. It’s a misunderstood shoe. It’s amazing for the long runs with more speed than the Invincible 2/3 for example. Feels like a great training partner and getting me ready for the Vaporfly 2 races
Zegama just arrived…. Just jogged around the block like a loon….bouncy stable but nowhere near as nibble as the Peg trail 4 …. Trails tomorrow for a proper test..
zegama's are for quite long distance ( over 40 km ), goal is not to feel nimble, but to maintain the foot well, as well as offer good damping under the foot, hence the zoom x part. i did 10 km in some woods this morning with them and appreciated the synthesis they offer ( more reactive thant the wildhose, and more comfortable, very nice grip on different surfaces ... )
@@vince207 I totally get that, over 40k is a long distance you don’t need the “quite” 😉 I’m not really the right sort of runner being mostly road and only up to half marathon distances on trails , running today they just didn’t feel massively different to the Trail 4 which is already cushioned and stable shoe. When I got them wet they held onto that water. (I could blame my thicker socks for part of that), my biggest complaint is short laces, Nike: give us enough lace to do a runners knot!
Isn’t it amazing how Nike was able to make such an excellent product the first time round that all other iterations are not as good? I had the OG 5 years ago, I will be getting another one from ebay now.
Its a shoe that got an "OK" the first weeks... after 6 months and around 350km in, I really - learned - to love this shoe. For me it has become a shoe that I pick for longer runs when I want to have a little more fun during the ride compared to my "boring" daily trainers. But it is definitely not a speed shoe or "racing shoe" as nike advert it. But ye, what can I say, I love it, I got it for around 70 bucks because b2b purchase and for that its a really nice shoe. But 160bucks... I would probably pass.
I noticed a strange suction effect due to the pocket in middle of the sole especially on flat surfaces. Today as it was raining the effect and noise was much stronger, not that it slows you down but it’s annoying. I made some research and did not find anyone having this issue.
Hi ed 👊 , 😆😆😆 top two shoe descriptions burger like 😆😆 and salmon like 🤣🤣🤣 love it ed 👊 , I suppose mcfly 5 and winflo are down grades of invincible and peg maybe ???
Love the endophin speed 2 but dislike the 3 been looking for something similar cloudmonster,zoomfly 5, tempo next %, Boston 11 but no sure what to get. This was very helpful tho thank you
the zoom fly 3 was the first zoom fly I bought and I went through the outsole in 200km!! So I have not bought any zoom fly since. For my long runs there is one shoe that beats all the other by far: Adidas Prime X😜 !!! Concidering the price it's hard to justify logging slow easy miles in this shoe but there is just nothing like it. I have 200km on the prime X at the moment and since I ran in it yesterday I will have to run in my More V3 today for some more easy miles. Bummer.
Excellent review that confirmed my "feeling" when I tried those shoes yesterday for the first time. From my point of view, as a "walker" who may happen to suddenly run so as not to miss the bus, I wonder if they can be like the Sketchers Max Road 5, which is a brick when you run to not to lose the bus. The best for that kind of run is (I tested it): the New Balance Fresh Foam More 3 and the Zoom Fly 4. What is your view?
You should review these random shoes. Li Ning Feidian elite shoes. Never heard of them but running expert did an experiment to show that they saved more energy than the Vapor fly @ 15km/h.
The best Zoomfly was the Zoomfly flyknit (2nd iteration). It's amazing how it went downhill since. The 3rd iteration was downright awful,the 4th was decent but that's bc the 3rd was that bad.but nike hasn't got it right with this shoe since the 2nd iteration
Was pretty sure I would pick these up but going to pass - can’t see what they would add to my rotation. Seems like there are better options in all the categories. Thanks for another good video Edd 👍🏻
tractor ted 🤣🤣🤣 haven't watched the blackberry one yet though ,gunna suggest watching it now to Oscar if I can drag him away from pete the cat for ten mins
If not this, then what shoe would you recommend for a daily trainer for runners training for 1/2 and full marathons? I feel like this pair is the ideal, or maybe the Zoom Fly 4 due to cost.
So if this trainer is a bit meh.. and not too much of a long run candidate. Who are kings, they heavyweights of the long training run 20km with some pep in the step. - Needs to be durable - Needs to be able to handle long run and some tempo. What shoe am I?
Gutted that Nike have discontinued Tempo Next%. I have been using them for speedwork, tempo and long runs for years. I'm looking for a replacement. Are the Zoom Fly 5 similar in any way?
I have mixed feeling about saying 10 miles is a long run (though I used to think that before I started doing weekly 20k+ runs)... but long is relative I suppose. In my experience, almost all the shoes I own could get there without no issues (except the Adios 6 tbh) but it's mostly after 18-21km that you really start feeling the difference that some pairs have on your legs.
having issues looking for a good companion to my nike pegasus turbo next nature's currently have hoka bondi 8s and found them to be too clunky for longer distance think 5k and up and to sluggish for anyhing besides a recovery run, the nike pt nn's feel great up to 5k and possibly more but it's more of a tempo or sprinting shoe just hoping to find something with a bit more cushion but still in line with the feeling of the NIKE PT NNs. Currently stuck between the zoom fly 5, streak fly and the vomero 17 as daily trainers any suggestions ? longest runs usually being 10k with two tempos and a 5k throughout the week a recovery run is usually done on the weekends and will probably stick with the bondi 8s till I wear them out since they were pretty pricy at the time I grabbed them.
Maybe something from Saucony or perhaps the brooks Hyperion max if you want cushion and lightness. The peg turbo nn didn’t work for me due to inconsistency between the shoes
Would you recommend these for your first marathon? I’m looking for a nike shoe for my first marathon, i nave a pair of the Nike Air Zoom Tempo Next % but i was using them for training (like an idiot) and it caused some flair ups as i was using them for every session, so im hesitant to use them in the marathon incase i get any issues which would cause me to not be able to continue. Any advice would be greatly appreciated
Horrible shoe, been running zoom fly since first iteration. How do you take such an innovative fly 2 and even the fly 4 and screw it up so badly. Canted compresses the inside quickly, foam is lifeless, and show runs like a 1980s NB brick.
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Increible y hogareño EddBud !! Más gente como tú !!
Thanks for tuning in 👍🏼👊
Yeah "OK" is a solid description. I have used mine a fair bit now (considering they have only just come out) and I certainly have not "misunderstood" the weight since my first run. Part of my recent run was up a steep high and certainly felt it there but once on the flat again, I also got "bored" and pushed along a bit. Of course I can pick up the pace in any shoe I have and you don't need to have ZoomX on the side to do so. Agree the Speed 3 is more "fun" as well as 100g lighter in my size. On the plus side the ZF5 is very comfortable and I actually reached for it out of choice as had stubbed my little toe and was able to adapt the fit to stop it rubbing there too much. BTW if you get a chance consider reviewing the Endorphin Pro 3. I raced in it last night and the first time have done so in a non Nike "ZoomX" shoe for some years and I certainly felt the only real "disadvantage" was me not my shoes.
100g! My word. Tim we must meet up soon
@@EDDBUD Indeed - on both counts! Yeah about 280g and 380g. Sure we will be down to visit Sue's relatives in Mere/Shaftesbury before long so maybe then. I feel sure we did briefly chat after a Yeovil parkrun few years ago when on the old railway but before we knew who each other were due to sticking ourselves in front of a camera and waffling on about shoes!
Another Zoom Fly 5 video, another Tim Grose comment about the shoe 😂
@@dominicmanning4512 Don't worry I am "moving on" to Zegama videos next :)
Just bought them this week and I'm liking them so far! Own 3 pairs of Pegasus and this is a nice addition!
Coming back after 9’months, TOOOK it to a trail rainy race in Richmond VA, bunch of hills and mud, shoe was VERY protective. And surprisingly high performing. Misunderstood shoes, the wear was scary at first but it’s good so far now after 150-200 miles
Great channel! For long runs for me I really enjoying Glideride 3 from Asics!
The gr3 is very nice
Still getting it just because it looks so gooooodddd
I just ordered this beauty! Coming on December 30th, can’t wait!
Enjoy 👍🏼🎄
As you get older, explosive work, including plyometrics and weight lifting is key. It's something most people never do after they reach adulthood! And it's what's goes the quickest as we age. Use it or loose it!
Been doing some lifting recently. Really enjoying the switch up 👍🏼
@@EDDBUD How's the lifting going?
I got this shoe and it's great! I wouldn't have gotten it without your review. Thanks Edd! :)
I'm like the only guy in the universe who loves the ZF4 upper. In fact it's the upper that makes it such a great stable performer for long and tempo runs. When I heard about the ZF5 I bought another pair of ZF4. But now I have so many shoes it will probably be next year when I get the ZF5 on sale, so don't be surprised when I come back to this video in 2023! haha! Thanks for the review. Between you and FOD I'll still have this shoe on my list.
It worked ok for the long run. No upper rubbing and legs feel reasonable today
ZF4 upper was an improvement compared to ZF3, but nowhere neat the flyknit version from 2018 ...
@@vince207 I'm literally struggling to put enough miles on my flyknit so I can retire it. HAHA. Fast shoe tho for 5k.
Just wanted to return to this video after a series of 25K and 35K runs. It’s a misunderstood shoe. It’s amazing for the long runs with more speed than the Invincible 2/3 for example. Feels like a great training partner and getting me ready for the Vaporfly 2 races
Glad it works for you. For me it’s a clunky shoe that at 125g more than a Vaporfly feels nothing at all like that shoe.
@@EDDBUD Agree it doesn’t feel like it at all - but with the additional weight I might be even more ready for the race with a super light VF on 😁💪🏼
Zegama just arrived…. Just jogged around the block like a loon….bouncy stable but nowhere near as nibble as the Peg trail 4 …. Trails tomorrow for a proper test..
The peg trail 3 appears more squashy bizarrely
zegama's are for quite long distance ( over 40 km ), goal is not to feel nimble, but to maintain the foot well, as well as offer good damping under the foot, hence the zoom x part.
i did 10 km in some woods this morning with them and appreciated the synthesis they offer ( more reactive thant the wildhose, and more comfortable, very nice grip on different surfaces ... )
@@vince207 I totally get that, over 40k is a long distance you don’t need the “quite” 😉 I’m not really the right sort of runner being mostly road and only up to half marathon distances on trails , running today they just didn’t feel massively different to the Trail 4 which is already cushioned and stable shoe. When I got them wet they held onto that water. (I could blame my thicker socks for part of that), my biggest complaint is short laces, Nike: give us enough lace to do a runners knot!
Garmin pushed a new update and several of my running dynamics updated.
Will have a good look to that update Craig 👊
Great review, Ed! Thank you!
Thanks for tuning in Sir 👍🏼👊
Still running on my Zoom Fly original, the best version imo. Light and fast
Still having a relatively new pair of the OR and yes they are really nice.
But not for long runs, at least not for me.
Yes the original and flyknit were the best
I just got cheaper the Soucony Speed 2. Threw it straight into 26km run with 10k @ 5min/k last 16km at avg 4'24"/km and loved it.
Speed series is tough to beat
No experience in running better than Prime X Light Strike Foam that has been broken in 🤩 🏃♂️💪👏
The primex is one of the best I have ever tried out for forgiving underfoot feel
Isn’t it amazing how Nike was able to make such an excellent product the first time round that all other iterations are not as good? I had the OG 5 years ago, I will be getting another one from ebay now.
No idea why they tinker with them so much!
Its a shoe that got an "OK" the first weeks...
after 6 months and around 350km in, I really - learned - to love this shoe. For me it has become a shoe that I pick for longer runs when I want to have a little more fun during the ride compared to my "boring" daily trainers.
But it is definitely not a speed shoe or "racing shoe" as nike advert it.
But ye, what can I say, I love it, I got it for around 70 bucks because b2b purchase and for that its a really nice shoe. But 160bucks... I would probably pass.
It was ok nothing special for me. Many a better shoe for less cash.
I noticed a strange suction effect due to the pocket in middle of the sole especially on flat surfaces. Today as it was raining the effect and noise was much stronger, not that it slows you down but it’s annoying. I made some research and did not find anyone having this issue.
Same here. It’s something to do with that’s window in the outsole.
The Adidas Prime X is the best long run shoe imo.
Hi ed 👊 , 😆😆😆 top two shoe descriptions burger like 😆😆 and salmon like 🤣🤣🤣 love it ed 👊 , I suppose mcfly 5 and winflo are down grades of invincible and peg maybe ???
Did a 24km run in mine earlier today. No other shoe in my collection would have made this longest run in ages seem so easy.. No hotspots either.
Yeah the upper is comfortable enough. I felt the bulk on the final section though the legs feel reasonable today
Love the endophin speed 2 but dislike the 3 been looking for something similar cloudmonster,zoomfly 5, tempo next %, Boston 11 but no sure what to get. This was very helpful tho thank you
Thanks!
Much appreciated super support
I just want to wear the Prime X all the time, I know I shouldn’t, I try not to but I fail 😂
Yes it’s so good. To think I almost didn’t bother to review it! Amazing shoe
the zoom fly 3 was the first zoom fly I bought and I went through the outsole in 200km!! So I have not bought any zoom fly since.
For my long runs there is one shoe that beats all the other by far: Adidas Prime X😜 !!!
Concidering the price it's hard to justify logging slow easy miles in this shoe but there is just nothing like it. I have 200km on the prime X at the moment and since I ran in it yesterday I will have to run in my More V3 today for some more easy miles. Bummer.
The primex is in a league of its own
Excellent review that confirmed my "feeling" when I tried those shoes yesterday for the first time. From my point of view, as a "walker" who may happen to suddenly run so as not to miss the bus, I wonder if they can be like the Sketchers Max Road 5, which is a brick when you run to not to lose the bus. The best for that kind of run is (I tested it): the New Balance Fresh Foam More 3 and the Zoom Fly 4.
What is your view?
More 3 probably more flexible and comfortable than the rigid zoom fly.
Have you tried the Endorphin Pro 3? Would love your view on it.
Love the pro 3. Check my 100 mile review now
@@EDDBUD ended up doing the NYC marathon in the Pro and still using it for training for the next one. It’s a workhorse of a shoe!
Hi Ed!! Great review… i don’t what to buy between Peg 39, Invincible 2 and Zoom Fly 5… what would you choose for daily easy run?
Easy choice for daily runs. The invincible is superb for this.
@@EDDBUD thanks so much Ed!!
You should review these random shoes. Li Ning Feidian elite shoes. Never heard of them but running expert did an experiment to show that they saved more energy than the Vapor fly @ 15km/h.
Would love to but they don’t do a uk 11.
It’s a pity
I'm wondering if Turbo 3 Nature will be a miss for many people. Might be heavier and firmer than what lost have come to expect.
I agree Blixten 100%. Could be “turbo” in name only.
@@EDDBUD hopefully the magic speed 2 can fill that gap 👀
@@EDDBUD I got this one right Edd! 😛
The best Zoomfly was the Zoomfly flyknit (2nd iteration). It's amazing how it went downhill since. The 3rd iteration was downright awful,the 4th was decent but that's bc the 3rd was that bad.but nike hasn't got it right with this shoe since the 2nd iteration
Agree 100% with your points here
ZoomFly FK was insanely good! I have both the ZFFK and the matching VF4% and they were nearly as good for fraction of the price.
@@RDQLUS agree !
Was pretty sure I would pick these up but going to pass - can’t see what they would add to my rotation. Seems like there are better options in all the categories. Thanks for another good video Edd 👍🏻
Yes doesn’t bring much new to the table that the speed does better. 👍🏼
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Much appreciated Scott. Helps to keep the channel rocking 👊👍🏼
Dropped 23km on the Alphafly 1 this Saturday, I feel fresh and ready to go for my next run! I'm going to be skipping this shoe
With all those discounted alphafly there is little point to this one
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Ok edd finding your review great info are the Nike zoom fly 5 ok for casual please
Bit rigid for casual use.
Which 1 is best for all rounder edd please do you think
guys these shoes are for gym and walking worth to buy them ?
Bit rigid and clunky for that. Go for the peg 40 or Puma deviate instead.
Misunderstood shoe. Great training companion, very fun
tractor ted 🤣🤣🤣 haven't watched the blackberry one yet though ,gunna suggest watching it now to Oscar if I can drag him away from pete the cat for ten mins
Legendary farmyard fun 👍🏼
Is this a plated shoe?
Yeah a carbon infused plate apparently, whatever that means
@@belisarius2999 like the ZF1. So isn't totally carbondibre. Think it's a nylon/carbon mix
If not this, then what shoe would you recommend for a daily trainer for runners training for 1/2 and full marathons? I feel like this pair is the ideal, or maybe the Zoom Fly 4 due to cost.
Speed 3 or discounted Takumi sen 8 are a way better deal than the zoom fly.
So close to 30k
I feel (jokingly) attacked by the no injuries
Almost there now. Though there is no finish line! 👊👍🏼
So if this trainer is a bit meh.. and not too much of a long run candidate. Who are kings, they heavyweights of the long training run 20km with some pep in the step.
- Needs to be durable
- Needs to be able to handle long run and some tempo.
What shoe am I?
The zoom fly original was 75g lighter than this thing in my size.
Gutted that Nike have discontinued Tempo Next%. I have been using them for speedwork, tempo and long runs for years. I'm looking for a replacement. Are the Zoom Fly 5 similar in any way?
Yeah the 5 is nothing like the tempo.
I have mixed feeling about saying 10 miles is a long run (though I used to think that before I started doing weekly 20k+ runs)... but long is relative I suppose.
In my experience, almost all the shoes I own could get there without no issues (except the Adios 6 tbh) but it's mostly after 18-21km that you really start feeling the difference that some pairs have on your legs.
Nice!
🥈
having issues looking for a good companion to my nike pegasus turbo next nature's currently have hoka bondi 8s and found them to be too clunky for longer distance think 5k and up and to sluggish for anyhing besides a recovery run, the nike pt nn's feel great up to 5k and possibly more but it's more of a tempo or sprinting shoe just hoping to find something with a bit more cushion but still in line with the feeling of the NIKE PT NNs. Currently stuck between the zoom fly 5, streak fly and the vomero 17 as daily trainers any suggestions ? longest runs usually being 10k with two tempos and a 5k throughout the week a recovery run is usually done on the weekends and will probably stick with the bondi 8s till I wear them out since they were pretty pricy at the time I grabbed them.
Maybe something from Saucony or perhaps the brooks Hyperion max if you want cushion and lightness. The peg turbo nn didn’t work for me due to inconsistency between the shoes
How do you think this would go for much shorter runs like 3-5km and interval runs
It’s an ok runner. Better than the next nature. Bit controlling perhaps
Grazie.
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Would you recommend these for your first marathon? I’m looking for a nike shoe for my first marathon, i nave a pair of the Nike Air Zoom Tempo Next % but i was using them for training (like an idiot) and it caused some flair ups as i was using them for every session, so im hesitant to use them in the marathon incase i get any issues which would cause me to not be able to continue.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated
Personally I found them too controlling of my footstrike for such a long distance.
Need to check out tractor Ted😂
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What’s the shoe in the background to the right?
We have the speed 3, Takumi sen 8 and Vaporfly next% 2.
@@EDDBUD thanks!
they better not screwed up on tempo next % 2
They will find a way to nerf it. I would be happy simply with the slice of zoomx under the pods and softer forefoot rubber. Only a little though!
@@EDDBUD and make it a lighter than version 1 too will be enough for me, and hope it is the real zoomx and not this ZF5 zoomx please
Hit 190 on your heart rate , and you will know you're alive
Was close on that Asics 10k. Man that was warm 🔥☀️
Horrible shoe, been running zoom fly since first iteration. How do you take such an innovative fly 2 and even the fly 4 and screw it up so badly. Canted compresses the inside quickly, foam is lifeless, and show runs like a 1980s NB brick.
Yeah I sold it on. Not my cup of tea
It’s the HOKA Knock off.
It certainly looks like a Hoka.
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None of your Taiwanese rubbish, this shoe was made in Formosa!
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