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In Argentina we have a phrase: "If you leave the country for 10 days and come back everything has changed, if you leave for 10 years and come back nothing has changed"
It's funny given how Bolivia has no reason to exist at all other than to be a buffer zone between Peru and Argentina, kind of like the Belgium of the Americas.
1st world countries: Latin America how are you not panicking with the crisis the pandemic has brought ? Latin America: that's my secret 1st world... I'm always in crisis
Nosotros SOMOS la crisis viviente, vivir en Argentina causa ataques de panico We ARE crisis incarnated, living in Argentina causes you panic attacks...
There were a lot of wars on the 19 century in South America, and don't be too surprised if we have one on the next decades. There is a lot of antagonism here, it's just not too know for the rest of the world.
The cartels could be a saying force for reorganization in latin america if they had ambitions and better organization, and if the current govts either fell (and the cartels filled the vacuum, like with the shogunates of japan) or embraced and integrated them outright. The big problem is corruption, but corruption is a problem in most if not all governments the world over
@@havokmusicinc This is actually something that is starting to happen in parts of Western Venezuela, with regions and provincial capitols becoming seeing more economic activities and interests from groups tied to ever-expanding gangs and cartels who have basically taken over the main points of entry to the country and now provide and require some infrastructure. Maracaibo in 2017 had empty shelves no real currency to trade-in. Nowadays Maracaibo (Largest western Venezuelan city and economic center) is full of stores filled with black market imported goods and a growing flow of US Dollars which are now used for every transaction from food to real-estate, including services like fiber-optic internet. It's really crazy.
0:00 to 1:04 intro 1:05 to 2:05 advertisement 2:07 to 410 what civilisation is Latin America in? 4:10 to 8:56 the conquest and why it happened. 8:59 to 15:57 Colonial Society and how the states were formed 15:57 to 18:04 racial and class divide 18:30 harsh language. Skip. 18:04 to 21:33 Independent Latin America 21:34 to 28:54 Latin American poverty and economic liaisons 28:54 to 30:02 War, State conformation and free economies. 30:02 to end Hope?
2.20 Latin America is errrm...Latin? Which I’m pretty sure is like Roman, which I’m pretty sure is part of western civilization. What many Americans think of as “western civilization” is British culture, which is a type of western civilization. Each European nation has different expressions of western civilization. The 1776 cult appears to have taught Americans that America (if anything) is culturally Europe mark 2, rather than (far more accurately) being Britain mark 2.
Brazil is the weirdest place on Earth: Once we had a Colonial-Native alliance under the Portuguese fighting Germans, Scots and Norwegians under the Dutch.
Meu amigo, our country has many problems but lack of amazing history is not one of them. The king of the country that colonized our territory moved here and didn’t want to come back to europe. Can you imagine a British or Spanish king doing that? Brazilians and Portuguese have indeed very interesting ancestors haha.
@Ploska Latin america flourished under catholicism. Our whole societies were built to function that way. When the independence movements with enlightenment ideals happened it created the deformed countries we have, with governments that never represented the Catholic roots of the people. It can only lead to disgrace and mayhem.
@@Nimai_Aquino It wasnt the king of Portugal, it was his heir (who later became king of portugal) the one who stayed in Brasil and later declared independence, but no King would ever wanted to live in a colony, the reason they fled portugal is because Napoleon invaded.
Uma coisa importante é que já chegamos em um ponto que não levamos nosso país a sério, todo mundo fala sobre o potencial do Brasil, mas ninguém acredita mais de verdade
Brasil tem potencial, vôces tem que liberalizar o mercado e empezar a produzir coisas localmente pra as Américas em vez de vender todo as materiais brutas pra china. Acho que o problema é que Brasil tem pouca liberdade econômica pra investidores gringos e empreendedor brasileiros. Você paga tão pra um estado que leva todos os impostos nas suas bolsas.
@@jeremietellier3116 Se prepara que vai vir alguem ai pra falar pra vc que o Estado sabe melhor sobre vc do que vc mesmo, logo tem que regulamentar pra te salvar de vc mesmo.
On a positive note, my family noticed a remarkably rise in success among the people that joined the church (in our case, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, often nicknamed mormons). Two of our more significant tenets - after faith in and so forth - is avoiding alcohol, and valuing education. First generation church members were still poor (literal dirt floors), but by the second and third generation they became upper-middle class with well educated professions. A higher value on honesty and integrity is also valuable. Contrast this with the "religious" conquerors who sent native slaves to die the mines, and plated their shrines and churches in gold in an attempt to appease God. This is a prime example of the difference between top-down power motivated religion, and bottom-up self-improving motivated religion. (I'm not trying to shame any one religion here, people of all faiths are equally capable of either being good or being hypocrites.) It would be surprisingly easy for latin america to become incredibly strong. All it would take is personal change, and a miracle.
Same with Jews in Latin America. However, the main purpose of the Gospel is to lead people to salvation through faith in Christ, repentance and the free gift of grace. Wealth of lack there of is God’s Providence. Being rich and in a cult is worthless.
"Canadians and Americans often look upon it with a combination of horror and condescension." That's our reaction to everything that isn't ourselves. And sometimes parts of ourselves too.
Naw. For example, I look on CHINA with a bit of horror but absolutely no condescension; they're not to be fucked with. I don't look on Singapore with either of these; I admire them. India I view with condescension but no horror. Latin America, though? Shitholes. Nothing but shitholes. And I'm terrified we'll become like them, since America seems to be headed towards those levels of political corruption.
The privileged folks of the north keep their wealth to themselves and demonize anybody who has less than that amount of wealth. In their civilization, the rich see the middle class as obstacles to their power and the middle class see the poor as threats to their endless comfort. As a result, the poor have been discouraged & kept from climbing the socioeconomic ladder, resulting in a huge chasm between the rich and the poor.
Yeah, I had the fortune of having a road trip in Ecuador, mostly due to my interest in nature (and that's where the Galapagos Islands are), mostly staying in wealthy hotels, walking around the city centers (when not in nature, ofc) and I thought what a well-organized, nice and safe place. Little did I know back then.
@@SenorGuina That is not true, it is a myth because what is true is that there are more Italian descendants in Brazil (thanks to its larger population) than in Argentina. however, more Italians emigrated to Argentina than to Brazil in total. This is clearly seen in the ethical groups of both countries. while Italians are another ethnic group along with Japanese, Africans and Germans in Argentina the descendants of Italians represent 62.5% of the population and the most conservative say it is 50%.
Half a continent, for latin america there is just the american continent , the us even has the first map were it was branded " america", not north and south america.
@@cseijifja I can get grouping Europe and Asia. But I don't know why not split the Americas. The Panama (edit : or El Daríen) makes for a neatly defining border.
As a Peruvian. I know for sure that all this history is only knowing by 0.1% of all our people. I think the only hope for us in South America is improving education and make it more accessible. Because parents with 3 children and a salary of 700usd combine is not enough to give a "good education" to 3 children.
It is pointless if the state keeps intervening in the economy to hold their monopolies, money laundering operations and populist bullshit, if there are no jobs available your degree is just a worthless piece of paper. Latin American countries need fucking reforms! Economic one's!
Didn't got nothing from the video? Those parasitic elites will never do anything that treat they position of power. Revolutions will also only change the rules. Education is already more accessible, using the internet, it's up to the individual to search for it. Depending on parasitical elites to instruct their slaves how to free themselves is delusional.
@@lucasivanov7824 I do not agree. There are problems, but there are places much worse to be in. Once met an Italian living in Brazil who said that Brazil is far from being as bad as Brazilians and international mainstream paint.
Mega bio diverse nation with a stable 220 million population size that has the Amazon rainforest, fertile land, ethnic diversity, mass resources and is the powerhouse of South America. Brasil still has major potential.
One thing you forgot to mention is that Brazil had a very different early independence age than the rest of the continent, it was a monarchy rather than a republic which in a way helped the country keep political stability, early independent Brazil was kind of a local powerhouse compared to the rest of the continent and I would argue would continue being had it not overthrown it's monarchy honestly
The problem is that americans don't understand monarchy is better than a republic, and they try to force their inferior political model on us. Spoiler: it never works anywhere outside their own country (even there it isn't working anymore)
At high-school, my Local History teacher (here in México) once told us that, if you wanna read a good tragic and horror story, - *slams course textbook* - you got read this
Has vistos los videos de Kraut de la frontera de Mexico-EEUU? Soy latino (no mexicano) y me da pena decir tomó un alemán que pinta bolitas de países para aprender sobre historia mexicana xd
1st World Countries going into economic crisis: How can we deal with being poor.? Latin America: You merely adopted the poor, I was born in it, molded by it.
This makes me so sad. I love Latin American culture and people, their languages, their food, their music, and how warm and welcoming the people usually are. I really hope the situation gets better in this part of the world. Love from the USA ❤️
Naw bro, their food may be good, but everything else about Latin culture sucks. I hope the area is recolonized by the west. Latin America becoming westernized will substantially improve standard of living and progress.
@@pixelfiend7292 not just food. music, traditions, languages and the people are very friendly. and that doesn’t make any sense, conquering an entire continent and then some just because you don’t agree with their culture is a very stupid and would be extremely costly for western powers. not to mention it would most likely reinvigorate western hate and would just destabilize the region once more, or make instability worse in the region.
Most of the languages such as Spanish, Portuguese, French come from Europe (Spain, Portugal, France) unless you’re talking about the Native languages. Most of the food comes from Spain & other European countries mixed in with some native influence & other.
@@Account-jn7xu Cuban, meaning West Indian, hence Caribbean. See how we play the demonym game? In reality, Miami is multiethnic and multicultural, and definitely *American*
Well the incas didn’t really pick out a gf for each man, they allowed people to test out their relationship compatibility and both the man and women had the option to reject each other, but after they married, the government highly regulated the couples material output (textiles, crops, livestock, etc) & they weren’t allowed to divorce after they have their first child.
@@shiny_teddiursa Good system divorce is evil and destructive and selfish plain and simple i don't care if the parents can't take it anymore you have new humans to care about now too late sorry suck it up swallow your damn pride and be a good parent/partner.
@@JordanScottMills ...weirdo. Divorce reasons are highly situational and many times are due to a physically abusive & manipulative partner, not just for money or petty reasons. A child is better off raised by a single non-abusive parent than with an abusive couple.
@@shiny_teddiursa I like how i was talking about the parents marriage and you let your emotions take you to child abuse lmao. Nice ad hominem by the way. But yes continue to poison the well by talking about child abuse in spousal matters. Maybe make better life choices. Also we were speaking about a system where the government chose the couples. So nice job bringing in your modern white western morality to a centurys old foreign tradition.
You made a mistake here. All of Latin America was a white settler society. But rather than the English and French approach of simply segregating everyone, Iberians mixed with natives and africans. What makes the cone different is that in countries like Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, and Chile 19th/20th century immigration changed the population dynamic. The average Argentinian looked closer to other Latin Americans centuries ago. These countries also had relatively small populations to start with which made immigration change the dynamic very quickly. All of Latin America had white settlers, the differences is how racial mixing was treated in our cultures vs in English colonies. British colonists were also for the most part crazy religious people with the god chosen people narrative in their heads. They did not want to mix and wanted to keep pushing natives out while subjugating africans into a poor class that was separate . Also while populists do exaggerate the role of the U.S to wash their hands of blame, the U.S supported many dictatorships in Central America and the Caribbean with the goal of exploiting the resources and people of the region. The void left by the Spanish and Portuguese was filled by an equally imperialist United States.
We made two mistakes during the beginning of independence that the United Statesians and Canadians did not. One, we allowed ourselves to split into 1000 little pieces instead of facing the world as one united country. Two, we allowed the Catholic Church to have too much power and the rich landowners to maintain the power that the Spanish gave them. Separation of church and state and unity have alowed the United Statesians to do many great things. Their society that allows for upward mobility has done a lot too.
@David Garcia It is true that the french model was somehow a mix between the english and the spanish. but in general terms the french model is, as the english: a PREDATOR EMPIRE. that only becomes generator when has enough people to terminate the natives. the spanish model always was, as ancient ROME a GENERATOR EMPIRE. THUS, if not for napoleon and the british and french massonery that took over the Elites of the empire. HispanoAmerica would have stayed a UNITED STATE...maybe 2 or 3. (or course they would have subjugated or expell Spain as the US did with Britain). but having more than 20 states(some failed states¨) tells you how important was the geopolitics and the constant ataccks from the british empire first, and the american empire later. Hispano America is poor BECAUSE of the UNITED STATES AND GREAT BRITAIN. If they couldnt populated (generator model) they would extract as much as they could (PREDATOR MODEL).
I would like to make a little correction; Slavery wasn't encouraged by the Spanish crown, it was rather the landowners who did that illegally. This makes sense since the Spanish monarchy has always been really Catholic, and as the Church didn't approve these atrocities, the Spanish crown wouldn't either. (These applies to Native Americans, the situation with African slaves was more complex and as far as i know slavery was allowed with them, you can correct me). And fun fact, these landowners where pursued by the Spanish Inquisition. Edit: This applies to the Hapsburg's, not to the Bourbons. The Bourbons were the ones to establish a caste system which encouraged the least favoured to revolt and develop revolutionary ideas. If this didn't happen i don't know what would have happened, but it must be admitted that the Spanish Empire had a surprisingly good cohesion and probably would have lasted for many more years.
Yes. The clergymen thought: poor indians they work as slaves even though they praise Jesus and all. Hey, let's import some africans so indians don't have to suffer
@@Only.D.G. its worth noting they started the slave trade because they assumed all the slaves on the west african market were POWs or criminals then there was too much momentum when they found out they were wrong.
Yeah actually in all latin america was like this, but the crown doesn't had the power nor the money to influence landowners at some point maybe Habsburgs had but they just ignore latin america to finance their wars in Europe
coming from south america, it was shocking to find out at age 20 that the west doesn't consider us a part of them, while we have always considered ourselves, and russia, part of it.
I found out when I was 14, and it made sense to me lol Because, a year prior, I looked at Germany, Britain and the US, and I thought: "Why are those countries so much more developed than South America? Does it have something to do with our laws and culture?" I no longer consider Latin America a part of the West, maybe I'll if it develops
there is this illusion that western civilizations can't be poor, so Russia and Latin America can't be considered western, because western = rich, no matter the culture, history or language of the people
@@danielimmortuos666 no the west is basically none Catholic and none othrodox and none Muslim which is why Turkey isn't even considered part of the west and why many Europeans don't consider Spain, Portugal and Greece white
Hi, i am from argentina, 90% of what you said is so wrong that is quite difficult to get into why. You should try to read latinamerican literature (history and economics) that is actually writen by latinamericans in latinamerica rather than going with what wikipedia or "statista" or the IMF or the world bank, or american and british authors have to say In my experience anglosaxon historians are almost always wrong not just in interpretations but in the pure registry of the facts
Talca, Chile reporting in... never thought I would see my little provincial capital city on a map in one of your videos. Made my day. Thanks for this video!
@@xteminadorx001 literal el video dice que es culpa de la corrupción la cultura de la corrupción existe porque nunca pudimos ver más haya del sistema aristocrático que existía en españa pero como dice en el video no es solo la corrupción es la falta de que se cumpla la ley en todos los otros ámbitos si no hubiera habido corrupción no estaríamos tan mal pero no progresamos porque no nos industrializados
@@xteminadorx001 Con los datos del 2016 al año Peru pierde 12600000000 de soles o 3210962531 USD, por corrupcion. Asi que no se a que te refieres de que la corrupcion no es el problema, no es el unico problema pero si es un problema muy grande.
@@kaspervletter290 My understanding is they are generally considered Caribbean on the British/Dutch/French side which isnt really latino which is usually limited to Spanish and Portuguese descended nations.
We inherited many things from Spain, among them "burocracy" and "corruption" , spanish galeons had two ship logs; one with the true cargo (that included the contraband) and the other that they presented to customs
As a latin American (Brazilian, which is the odd one out of the latins), I say that the day latin America starts working, is the day the USA has already left to colonize Mars
@Michol 0515 Brazil is not that bad, i mean numbers are pretty bad but in reality it isnt. Just avoid big cities like Rio and São Paulo, you wont miss much anyway.
@Michol 0515 not all of Brasil is crime or homicide, almost all of those cases are in the north east states and in favelas of Rio and São Paulo, south states for example are considered more european than brazillian states because they are way more safe and developed than other states, center east is also not bad with the states being peaceful and north states are indigenous natives from the Amazon, also its not like you walk on streets and imediatelly get robbed or shot
As a Latin American, I do agree with most of this video, although, you still get some things wrong, I'd say this is one of the best videos in English about my region.
@@patrickanquetil7937 My favorite one is "Hispanidad: Lo que no nos contaron en el colegio" from Fortunata y Jacinta. Other one that I like is "contra la leyenda negra en América" by Academia Play. I also recommend most videos of Brigada Antifraude too. Other ones that I like are videos that are much more long and academic oriented like "Los movimientos de independencia hispanoamericanos" from Fundación Gustavo Bueno. So, if you are looking for videos similar to this one, I recommend the ones in the first paragraph.
@@patrickanquetil7937 If you want a counterbalance to all that white legend-spanish revisionism recommended by @Edwunges see this one: ruclips.net/video/jZ1ho_w6GpM/видео.html
It's more present for us because we're latin americans, but yes, latin america is the most forgotten region in the world. Mainly because we didn't deal with to much international conflicts. The exception is the Malvinas Islands War.
This is a pretty good attempt at explaining Latin American history and most of the video was pretty correct except most countries never really had a caste system. The casta paintings that are assumed by many to be a code of law, are actually just novelty paints done by Europeans visiting. Especially given they were fascinated by the racial diversity and integration of the new world.
@@alanbudde8560 but asumptions about said paintings had nothing to do with that, im speaking in context of the paintings being used as an implication of an ethnic caste system, not an economic class system which we can all agree for sure exsisted as it did in nearly all empires of that time. Also the original caste system many compre to other fuedal systems, was a more divided and exclusive than a class system. The original ancient caste system was both based on class plus the inter-ethnic devides of ancient central Asia.
When you drew the comparisons between Latin America and Late Rome it lead me to recall how it took Europe half a millenium to really reorganize itself in a way that functioned halfway decent, and that for Latin America they've had less than 2 centuries
I think it was pression, things down here are calm, accommodated and don't change at all, no pressure for change, but Europe was being invaded and attacked all the time, so you couldn't just stand and don't do anything, you had to improve constantly .
This is a really interesting point actually. I haven't heard this reason anywhere else, but really, it's just another good reason on top of the 2048830202 others. This region has a lot going against it when it comes to its functionality in the modern world.
@@AmariFukui @Lore I'm kinda on the fence about that one. Plenty parts of latin america are rife with conflict within national borders. By that logic shouldn't those places have prioritized innovation to outcompete others for decades?
@@gabagool...not_italian... Not unless they can become powerful enough to threaten the established order, if anyone gets wealthy or influential enough they can be killed or robbed of their fortune, so long as the military is paid well and the civilian population unaware of a viable alternative the system is stagnant Compounding this issue is the fact that anyone who may have the guts to shake up the system would rather flee to a country where hard work is rewarded than stay and fight for their own, it's difficult to blame them for this because its what anyone would do if given the choice
@@bomega2818 Si pero eso no se come. Latinoamérica necesita mas empresarios, economistas, financistas, ingenieros, profesionales en tecnología y gente emprendedora. Muchos de nuestros presidentes son gente sin educación que pudre la mentalidad promedió. Es hora de cambiar y promover la educación y el poder de soñar grande.
@@blazekaizer9000 No soñaran en grande (en logros para bien comun)..sino sueñan en ser mas grande que los demas en dinero y poder .. . ese es el problema
@Renan_PS yes but we have to understand what makes us like this to change. I think that the way our local historians write things like we are victims or we are the best thing ever, makes it hard to really understand what are our real problems. here in Paraguay they don't really want see the our national heroes as bunch of idiots. Mcal. Lopez was megalomaniac that destroyed the country because he thought he was Napoleon. but not even napoleon could with all the Europe against him. Lopez could just use diplomacy and played it safe, and not go total war and fight all three countries at once. he could of surrender in the first mayor battle and negotiated something before losing everything and more.
@@MrWilliamwright honestly, that's true. The ear of the triple alliance was just bloody debauchery. 90% of all males in Paraguay died if I do recall. Its honestly something I'm deeply ashamed of as an argentinian, while hearing all presidents talk about all of us being basically brothers from another nation.
But he said uruguay and chile always had democratic goverments and thats a reason why they are more succesful. I mean wtf he didn't even research which countries had military coups??
This man talks with a lot of confidence and also inserts his own thoughts on behalf of Latin Americans with certainty that they would think like him. While the video introduces some valid and interesting points, it is a rather simplistic take on history with overarching assumptions and some unsubstantiated claims.
Venezuelans voted for Chavez democratically to begin with (the 1st time, not afterwards), who publicly claimed he wanted a dictatorship and a lot of them came out of the ordeal none the wiser, arriving to the most pedestrian of conclusions: "communism is bad". I don't like communism either but saying that people here (in my country) would want to be like the US is terribly wrong. People here look towards Denmark, New Zealand, you can see this during electoral campaigns and law reforms being promoted. The US is not any better than the place I live in. You have higher wages, but less access to health care, education, housing, and basic goods overall, and it’s usually spoke of with certain disdain by a lot of people.
@@rosesugarman1372 tambien pasa en chile, hubo un gobierno socialista (allende) que lo boicoteó estados unidos y los poderes economicos locales y todos dicen "el comunismo es malo" "el comunismo no funciona" PUM, nos chantaron la dictadura de pinochet desde ee.uu y varios miles de muertos, y ahora chile es el país más "prospero de la region" pero el 10% de la población tiene ingresos desde los 13mil dolares al mes vs un sueldo minimo de 420 dolares la historia es "si yo me como 2 panes y usted ninguno , en promedio cada uno se comió un pan". no hay basicamente salud ni educación publica y si lo propones te tildan de comunista
@@xflofyx pero el comunismo no funciona pues. Más aún: por doctrina explota el odio, estimula el totalitarismo y no crea riqueza. Y las versiones hispanoamericanas son además racistas porque usan al indígena como objeto político. Estos progres no entienden.
The mighty Uruguayan empire killed me, great video. Im from Uruguay and I have to say you nailed it on the video. I think the only way to understand the south is to be born in the south and it takes a lot of bureaucracy to just understand that you are confused, and blame it on the yankee.
no culpo a los gringos sin motivo, los culpo por unos pocos 2k de trabajadores en 1929 una alta probabilidad de haber matado a la esperanza de este país (Jorge Eliecer Gaitán) por tener toda una compañía colonial en las costas de mi país y toda Centroamérica y el caribe (la UFCO los mismos hp que hicieron la matanza de las bananeras) habernos robado el canal de Panamá 2 veces (prácticamente crearon los movimientos de independencia panameños para debilitar a Colombia y tener un títere del cual robaron el canal) todo lo del plan condor y las dictaduras por el sur el constante apoyo a grupos militares y otros hptas
I do a lot of reading and content on Mesoamerican history and I have some clarification and correction on what you brought up regarding the Conquest of Mexico. Firstly and most critically, is that Cortes getting alliances with local city-states and kingdoms against the Aztec was more an example of those states wanting to opportunistically improve their own political standing, and less an example of wanting to be free of oppression or tyranny. The Mexica of the Aztec capital were expansionistic warmongers, for sure; but in terms of actual imperialistic control and administration of their conquered subjects and vassals, they were extremely hands off. Large Mesoamerican states in general tended to avoid direct management and control over their subjects, probably due to the lack of beasts of burden, but even compared to the larger Classical Maya dynasties, the Zapotec kingdom headed by Monte Alban, or the Purepecha Empire; the Aztec Empire was even LESS prone to doing things like deposing/replacing rulers, establishing colonies, razing infrastructure or interfering with local administration. If Aztec armies arrived at your doorstep, and you submitted or even if you fought back and then lost, most of the time you're only obligations would be to pay taxes of economic goods, provide military aid on request, not block roads, and to put up a shrine to the Mexica patron god of Huitzilopochtli. You otherwise kept your rulers, laws, and customs and got mostly left alone. Slaves/sacrifices weren't common as tax/tributary demands either: We have a number of surviving documents showing the tax obligations of subject states and tributary proviences and the demands were overwhelmingly stuff like Gold, Jadeo, Cacao, Fine Feathers, Pottery, Warsuits, etc. Very few subjects had obligations of providing slaves (though slaves being offered by a defeated city as an intial one time compensation/spoils for being conquered wasn't uncommon; but that was normal in Eurasia too and , again, subsequent regular tax payments of slaves was rare) and slaves in Mexica society had a fair amount of rights and couldn't be sacrificed on a whim, at least on paper (most sacrifices were enemy soldiers). Obviously, this was not universally true: Unruly cities or towns occasionally had military governor appointed over them, or garrsion colonies established nearby to dissuade rebellion (though there's some disagreement by researchers on the exact function of these), and in extreme cases, especially for cities which incited others to stop paying taxes, might be razed or have their inhabited killed/sold into slavery, and then repopulated by families from Tenochtitlan or other core Aztec cities. But these were not the norm. It is precisely because Aztec political administration relied on hands off, indirect methods of establishing political influence (like tributary/vassal relationships, the implied threat of military force, flaunting dynastic ties to prior legendary kings and civilizations like the Toltec or their lavish capital city and it's economic network to arrange strategic political marriages or court states into becoming willing vassals for trade benefits/protection, etc) rather then direct mangement that Cortes got allies: It wasn't because they were oppressively, it was because they WEREN'T: The fact that subjects were effectively independent (and indeed, could have their own subjects: The Aztec Empire and a lot of other large Mesoamerican states were less "empires", and more complicated webs of dominant/subservient political relationships) meant they retained their own ambitions and the ability to act of their own volition, and enabled opportunistic secession and rebellions. It was basically tradition for far-off subject provinces to stop paying taxes whenever a new Mexica king stepped up, not as a serious attempt to escape Aztec influence, but to test the new emperor and see what they could get away with, and likewise the new emperor would customarily re-conquer those areas to make them pay taxes again. The one time the new Mexica ruler, Tizoc, failed at this and subsequent campaigns in the first few years as emperoror, the whole house of cards fell as respect for Aztec power (which was, again, more about the perception of power then any real hard adminstrative ability) collapsed and eventually Tizoc was probably assassinated by the Mexica nobility to prevent further loss of influence: As is his successor, Ahuizotl, got ghosted at his own conronation ceremoney by foreign kings, a major faux pass considering even rulers of states at war would usually attend festivals even when their own soldiers were being sacrificed. When you look at Cortes's expedition from this perspective, it becomes painfully obvious how and why he got allies: Beyond border provinces stopping paying taxes whenever a new Mexica ruler came to power; another very common attempt at geopolitical flexing in Mesoamerican was a subject of a given capital pledging themselves as a subject or as an ally to another power, and then both working together to overthrow that current capital in a time of political flux, or to conquer and topple a bunch of other states: In a hands off political system where subjects got mostly left alone anyways, you have little to lose by doing this; and you get in a position of higher political standing in the new kingdom you helped prop up. This was how the Aztec Empire itself was founded, when Texcoco and Tlacopan allies/pledged themselves to Tenochtitlan and the 3 overthrew their current capital of Azcapotzalco when that city had a succession crisis, and it's EXACTLY what happened with Cortes against Tenochtitlan a century later: Note how of the states which provided armies during the siege of Tenochtitlan, ONLY Tlaxcala (which wasn't even an Aztec subject, but an independent kingdom the Aztec Empire had been slowly surronding and increasingly invading to conquer it) joined forces with Cortes prior to the outbreak of smallpox in Tenochtitlan, the death of Moctezuma II, the massacre of the Mexica nobility and elite soldiers while unarmed during the Toxcatl festival; and the defeat of the ensuing ad-hoc Mexica army during the battle of Otumba: All the other allies Cortes got, from Texcoco, to Huextozinco to Xochimilco to Chalco, etc; only allied with him AFTER the city was ravaged by diseases, the king and it's elite soldiers were dead, and they lost a battle against a fleeing Tlaxcaltec army and a band of foregn invaders: In other words, after Tenochtitlan and the Mexica were vulnerable and suffered from losses and injuries that eroded influence in their ability to project force and demand respect, when it was geopolitically advantageous for local states to join Cortes and the Tlaxcaltec. You even see these states give Cortes and high ranking Conquistadors princesses from their royal families as attempted political marriages, though these were misinterpreted as gifts of Concubines. Even Moctezuma letting Cortes and the Tlaxcalteca into Tenochtitlan makes perfect sense with this in mind: This was a small band of foreigners numbering in the hundreds, who themselves had been almost beaten by the Tlaxcalteca (whom the Mexica had been slowly wearing down for decades and by this point were on their last legs), to deny them entry would be a major faux pass when as noted, providing entry and safety to foreign emassieries was a big deal in Mesoamerican diplomacy, and moreover, it would be seen as a massive act of cowardice to do so, one that would undermine faith in Aztec military power to do so. Likewise, this explains why OTHER Conquistador expeditions over the next few decades continued to make alliances with local states: If it was really about Aztec impralism being so brutal, then Spain wouldn't have the Zapotec kingdom of Tehuantepec helping them defeat their rival Mixtec kingdom of Tututepec; or the Iximche Maya aiding them against the Kiche, etc: This was just how Mesoamerican politics and warfare worked. None of this is to say that the Mexica of Tenochtitlan were beloved or well liked, they were still militaristically expansionistic, by far the biggest kid on the block and threw their weight around, and nobody likes the person they pay taxes too, but oppressive, tyrannical, or brutal to their subjects they really weren't, and their downfall had much more to do with the way Mesoamerican politics worked then anything exceptionally onerous they did with their subjects (since they really didn't) CONTINUED IN A REPLY BELOW
CONTINUED FROM ABOVE: This is also why I take issue with the comparsion to centralized Bronze Age states: I admit I know, well, next to nothing about the political adminstration of Bronze Age civilizations, but as I explained, large Mesoamerican states tended to be more complicated networks of dominant and subservient relationships, political marriages, alliances, etc which were heavily fluid and dynamic with states attempting to coup, backstab, and subvert one another as the situation allowed for it. (I'd also argue technologically speaking Mesoamerican civilizations were also ahead in a few ways, but that's it's own convo) By extension, I also think that the video, and education about the conquest in general, is FAR to emphasizing on Conquistadors, when most of the time the ball was actually in the court of their local allies. Sure, you mention that local allies provided a lot of troops, but the map as shown at 4:12 and a lot of what you say really I think overemphasizes them (and oversimplifies just the sheer amount of different states and campaigns that went on: The fall of Tenochtitlan in 1521 was just the start) quite often it was the rulers and generals of Tlaxcala, Texcoco, etc which were actually calling the shots and manipulating Conquistadors into doing what they wanted: Cempoala, the captial of one of 3 major kingdoms of the Totonac civilization, tricked Cortes into helping them raid their rival capital of Tzinpantzinco, by claiming there was an Aztec fort there. After this, the Totonaca led Cortes into hostile Tlaxcalteca territory, either to test or be rid of them, where they then got assaulted, the Tlaxcalteca then winning, only to stop when the Tlaxcalteca rulers realized they could use the Conquistadors against the Mexica. En route to Tenochtitlan, they stop in the city of Cholula, and many researchers now believe that the infamous Cholula massacre was orchestrated by the Tlaxcalteca by feeding Cortes information, as it just so happrens in the aftermath the Tlaxcalteca prop up a new poilitical adminstration there which allies with Tlaxcala, after Cholula had recently switched allegiences from Tlaxcaltec to Aztec in the years prior. There's many more examples of this I can give: Not only did Tlaxcaltec, Texcoca, etc armies do most of the actual fighting for the Spanish, they were also the ones moving things along: Ixtlixochtli II and Xicotencatl I/II were just as or more critical then Cortes. There were also a lot more then just 600 Conquistadors who partook in the Cortes expedition, on that note: While at no single point where there more then a few hundred to a few hundred over 1000 Conquistadors; Cortes recieved additional men at numerous points of the expedition, such as when Panfilo de Narvaez's force was sent to arrest him for treason but was then convinced by him to join him instead. The total amount of Conquistadors across the expedition, IIRC, was over 3000, but even this was dwarfed by the amount of allied forces: Many researchers believe that there were at or even over 200,000 soldiers from Tlaxcala, Texcoco, Huextozinco, Xochimilco, Iztapalapa, Chalco, Mixquic, etc. I also do not think that steel armor or weapons was as big a factor as you imply: Most Conquistadors could not afford metal armor and did not have it: Most had gambeson, which was effectively the same sort of armor mid to high ranking Mesoamerican soldiers themselves had. with Ichcahuipilli, Tlahuiztli, Ehuatl, etc. And even the Conquistadors which DID have metal armor often abandoned it due to the climate and adopted Mesoamerican armor instead!. And if both parties are wearing gambeson, a steel sword or a obsidian lined macuauitl are going to be doing comparable amounts of damage: the main difference there is of durability, but while the Macuahuitl, Tepoztopilli, etc will break faster then a Spanish sword or lance; the Mesoamerican forces also HAD armories and established infanstructure to pull from, wheras the Conquistadors had dwindling supplies. I think the biggest technological advantages the Conquistadors had were calvary (as you say) and cannons: These allowed the Conquistadors to blow holes in Mesoamerican battle lines and formations not designed to deal with those things; but even then they required a much more numerous allied Mesoamerican army's infanstry to swoop in and exploit the chaos they brought, and within a few battles Mexica forces came up with countermeasures. I also think you are overstating the impact of diseases, a bit. Do not get me wrong, diseases are a MASSIVE factor in the long run, but a lot of the figures and information you give, such as 90% mortality rates, occur over the course of almost a century, not instantly within the context of the Cortes expedition, the collapse of the Aztec Empire, etc. The outbreak of Smallpox in Tenochtitlan was a turning point that enabled Cortes to make further alliances which would be criticial in their success, as well as to weaken the Mexica to be able to be beaten, but that initial smallpox epidemic, while ravaging Tenochtitlan, "only" killed maybe 20% of Mesoamerica (or maybe just Central Mexico, some of the demography diagrams and papers are a little vague with what they count, something I need to look into) over it's decade long course. What it DID do was, thanks to allowing Tenochtitlan to fall, give Spain the impetus to have a base of operations, manpower with their allied states and the many (though not all) Aztec subjects which now ceded to Spanish authority, local resources, etc to launch further campaigns from, which were then successful due to diseases destablizing many political systems and states and enabling further instances of states allying with Spain to take out their now unprepared political rivals. But the 90% death rate was gradual and happened because the continued Spanish presence and occupation, combined with the warfare, population displacements, drops in sanitation standards (Spain literally banned bathing by native people because they did it so much, some conquistadors even thought that the smallpox was FROM them bathing so often) led to multiple, continued outbreaks. While not in Mesoamerica, studies in the Andes/Peru have shown that populations there amde intial rebounds from outbreaks, it was only the repeated outbreaks and stressors from Spanish Imperalism that continued to wear populations down past point of recovery. Keep also in mind that all throughout the 1520's, 30's, 40's, 50's, etc; there were continued campaigns and conflicts between Conquistadors, Mesoamerican states, their allies; etc. Most maps and textbooks will act as if Spanish control over most of Mexico was done by the 1530's, when in reality many areas were not pacififed or conquered for decades or in some cases centuries later: The last Maya city-state only fell in 1697. Lastly, and this is more minor, I have issues with the images you use: the one famous painting showing the SIege of Tenochtilan across the causeway at 4:25, or the "Storming of the Teocalli" at 4:35, etc are really inaccurate. The Pierre Joubert painting at 7:27, is, while not as off, still problematic with how the buildings are unpainted and unfurnished and with the big headdresses. For accurate images of Aztec cityscapes, clothing, etc, I'd reccomend looking up Scott and Stuart Gentling's paintings; Kamazotz/Zotzcomic's art, Angus Mcbride's work of Aztec warsuits; Rafael Mena'a art, and OHS688's art (though be aware some of his work is anthro/furry).
Probably the biggest comment I ever read in a video 😂 Could I as some references? It's a Topic that I'm really like, and I would love to read more about it!
Latin American and historian here. You got some points right, although you got many others wrong since it is difficult for those from the Global North to approach Latin American history without analyzing it from their own experiences and concepts that do not always apply to Latin America. This is something that historiography is being really careful about since it realized such analysis didn't get the true nature of how things were and are. Now, I want to say this: Latin America is Western. A peripheral part of the western world, but still western. We have the same Western systems of government and organization. Our culture is a culture derived from Europe being Latin America former Latin European colonies after all. Ethnically it is very diverse, but white Latinos are still the majority ethnic group in the Southern Cone. The only reason why people from the Global North forget or deny Latin America as a Westerner is because they have preconceptions but every person who comes here ends up realizing that this is the West too. I know many people who after living or visiting Latin America they realized this is a ignored part of the western world. As a last point I will say that despite everything, Latin America does not suck so much. I am Argentine and I live excellently here, I would never migrate.
Dare I say, not all of South America is Latin American, and not all of Latin America is contained within South America. Such an overarching demonym belies its heterogeneity.
I would disagree on the basis that Latin America lacks the capability to support a productive economic society and still relies on aristocratic designs lacking a functional aristocracy, it operates more like Russia, except way less organized, and nobody considers Russia as part of the Western world, culture does not define being a westerner, seems a lot of people here have been misunderstanding that, when we refer to a western nation, its not about where they derive their culture from, if it did, France, Britain, Australia, the US, Canada, and Spain don't share anything that compares a common culture or society which means they lack a distinct capability to be considered western if you use that metric to measure any specific one. But they do share a common basic principle of economic and socio-political designs which derive from a western manner of thought, for which Latin America has never picked up on, and for which nations like China and Russia have also never picked up on, you could debatably consider Japan and Korea sometimes in that sphere, however because their economic and socio-political designs derive power still from a illusionary autocracy and independence in society isn't considered a public virtue, that puts them on a strange rich and non-corrupt version of autocracy.
Not me, I would gladly leave Argentina to a place where you can at least go around the streets an night without fear of getting shot for your wallet or phone. Also having no cult of personallity and a predictible economy without near 50% annual inflation woul be nice.
@@nazarenoperezpelicon947 I have lived during my life in three big cities and I never got robbed. Oh course in the main cities like Buenos Aires is not like that, but that happened in most of main cities of the world. And if people really want to change something better would be do something not migrate and do anything.
I don't think you can describe the Reconquista as the Christian Kingdoms colonising the southern Muslim ones. That's like saying the Indians colonized the British by reconquering their territory. The indigenous iberians and germanic migrants have been there long before the Arab expansion.
It's far more complex than just that though. Islam and Arab cultured at that point was deeply infused with Southern Iberian culture. Pogroms, expulsions of whole communities were rampant during the time period. Colonizing is fairly accurate representation taking that into regard.
I see your point, but what you're forgetting is that most of the time the Arabs are not like removing the indigenous peoples, it's not like the indigenous peoples were physically removed from Iberia, yes the elite were removed and replaced by Arab and Muslim elites but the locals were not evicted. On top of that, they had a vested interest in making Iberia wealthy. Muslim Iberia was had one of the Highest GDP's in the world during most of its time in power. especially after a few years, locals did not really see themselves as necessarily different from their leaders. People often converted by choice ( i am not saying that forced conversions never happened, they did, but this was more the exception to the rule then the norm, they also never happened at nearly the same rate as the Reconquista). Iberia was slowly being Arabized just like the rest of North Africa, while Egypt today is very much Muslim and Arab, this was not the case before the Arab invasion. Conversions and Arabization happened slowly. Modern studies have found that the genetics of Egyptians has not changed much since the Arab invasion we tend to think of it as the removal of the local peoples but this is not true. The locals slowly had their culture changed to a more Muslim and arab one over the span of 100's of years.
24:23 I'm not communist or anything but I think you made a big mistake here. The USA goverment was largely involved in military coups across all Latin America, with a policy called the "Condor Plan", which was a detailed conspiracy to overthrow any left wing goverment with revolucionary ideas, even if it was elected in a democracy, in colaboration with local right wing politicians and land owners who were afraid of having their lands confiscated with the so needed agrarian reforms, all of this in the context of the Cold War and America not wanting another communist country like Cuba or any Soviet influence in the region. The methods varied, but it first consisted in economical sanctions and sabotages like insiting protests or revolts amongst diferent guilds and creating far right paramilitary groups to cause terror in rural regions in response to the communist guerrillas. Their last resource was always a military coup planned with the military forces of the country who were brainwashed with anticommunist thoughts during their foreign training with american troops in the School of the Americas, somekind of "convention" between different high ranking army officers from diferent countries to fight off the Soviet influence expansion under American interest. There were many CIA agents who carried out plans and instructed local troops and agents and have confesed over the years. After the coups were successfull, the American goverment often choose to stay away from the newly formed dictatorships to clean their hands from the brutal and horrible atrocities the regimes were doing against people at the time, but still supplied the dictatorships with weapons and logistical support, also sending agents to torture opossition leaders to confess information about their undrground leftist groups, even if the supposed leader was the wrong guy or an innocent person. All of this information was declassified by the American goverment itself, so I'm not making any of this up. Google it if you think I'm wrong. To this day, this is still something that divides people and provokes violence and several social or political problems in our countries. Latin America was used as a battlefield for the power struggle between the US and the USSR for years while the local populations were suffering from brutal dictatorships and communist guerrillas but nobody cared since they just acted with their own interests. Even if you mention some of the things they did in certain parts of the video, the way you say that the CIA and the US has been given too much credit for the things that have occured here might spread misinformation and could be harmful to the people who has lost their family members and literaly don't know where their bodies even are. If you wonder why there is so much hatred towards the US in the continent, you shoulds think more about what happened during that time, and why nobody in the north of the ecuator cares or has tried to bring the people responsable to justice. (Too much text, I know).
The training program for Contra Revolutionaries is called "School of the Americas" think they just changed name after it came out they trained "people" from the middle east.
Paragraphs, please. I like the first three lines but then the eyestrain was too much. But to the point you stated, I agree, he severely downplayed American interventionism and the damage that has caused. If the intervention had been to uplift, that would have made a huge difference. But US intervention has been exploitative. We even did that to poor Haiti, up to the present day, and then blame it on the poor uneducated populace for their problems. But that justification has always been the refuge of exploiters Look at how the Clintons used Haiti in a time of one of its worst crisis.
I guess what he was getting at was that Latin America has always had problems with corruption and instability and the US didn't really create it, but simply took advantage of it. Do you think if the US didn't get involved there wouldn't be as much corruption and instability in Latin America?
@@accent1666 a good portion was. the united states has history of interference with nations so they are able to remain the world power and turn into something they can benefit from. even to this day they like interfering with other countries problems if its in their interests. shit do yu really think mexico would have such a problem with its drugs and cartels if the united states didnt have a drug addiction problem ? lol you must be stupid to not see that. the united states isnt as perfect as you think buddy
@@diorsavage7811 i didnt say they are perfect, yes they interfered in Latin America, but right now they seem to happen less often and in minor scale compared to the 20th century and i said that before because the US isn't responsible for even half of the misery, mostly it comes from the countries internally, divisions and juntas and lots of political drama like the 40 years rule of the military during the half of the 19th century
Not gunna lie, one of my favorite parts about your latin american vids is going into the comments section and seeing all the latinos deciding to rip themselves a new one in some of the most witty and brutal self-deprecation humor I've ever seen. Like chill guys jesus lmao.
its due to the fact that this is where we are from and live. its important to know your history and educate yourself. its such a pity that to this day many people of different races see us as lesser than them. in this day of age ignorance is a choice, shi i know white folks are quick to call out when others bring back their history of slavery but its not a competition of whos race fuckd up the most in the past, yall gotta understand we people too and some suffer more just bc they were born in a place with little opportunity. why wouldn't it be taken personally?
It's also because edgy, offensive and dark humour is still a thing in latin american communities innthe internet since the politically correct isn't as rampant in here.
As a latinamerican historian, I'd say you got most things right. But I have to say, a few of your main concepts are heavily outdated in the Academy. You put too much emphasis on race rather than culture, and give the Iberians too much credit while on the other hand giving the Americans (USA) too little. Look up for Operation Condor
@@leoperez6737 A personnal favorite: Eduardo Galeano's Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent (1971) About the 'Banana Republics': Bitter Fruit: The Story of the American Coup in Guatemala, Schlesinger and Kinzer
22:45 "[...] countries like Argentina, that have what amounts to a perfect climate, some of the best soil in the world and a big river system and they still failed". I'm Argentinian and this is true. We know we have excellent conditions, but we don't seem to understand why we keep failing economically. But this hasn't always been the case. Argentina fully gained its independence in 1816, but it wasn't until 1870 that the government solidified. In that year we started to put to practice more modern ideas, and free market. By the 1900s, Argentina was by far the most successful country in Latin America, and it was one of the richest countries in the world, matching USA GDP per capita. Funny enough, these facts are never taught in schools. When I finished school I thought that Argentina had always been poor, and that the cause of that poverty was opression by the British and the US, or something like that. "Free market" is a bad word nowadays, and any idea that gets close to that gets qualified as "neoliberal", and it's automatically rejected. People want a "present government", wich in their heads means high intervention to the economy (wich is true, but they see it as positive), more equality, less poverty, more sustainable development, more social benefits, more general wellbeing. They never mention high taxes, and I believe this is because they don't understand that a big government requires high taxes. Argentina has one the highest taxes in the world. Furthermore, all governments have had fiscal deficit, wich means that the government spends more that it "gains" with taxes. This deficit needs to be paid either with public debt (wich translates to higher taxes in the future), or with devaluation of the national coin, wich translates to inflation. Inflation is a recurrent topic in Argentina. We just don't seem to understand basic principles of economy. All south America has a tolerant inflation, except Venezuela and Argentina. There are, right now, restrictions to the buying of dollars, and the price of the dolar is being artificially controled. They do this as a mean to "fight inflation", among other reasons. The political spectrum is completely shifted towards the left. For us, "left" means comunism, and "right" means social democracy. Libertarianism is not even in the spectrum. The president before the one we have today was a bit less leftist than the previous one, but he was still left, or center-left, he increased taxes, he regulated the market even more, and so on, but he was still accused of "neoliberal". And the most popular party is basically nationalism plus socialism, and it's called "peronismo" (in reference to a president called "Perón", who ruled in 1946). If it was a bit more authoritarian and racist it would be plain fascism. About the lack of wars you mention, I want to say that it is true, we don't have wars. But I would add that this is because we are very culturaly united, we see our neighbour countries as brothers and sisters, and we have a very strong cultural affinity. Besides Brazil, all countries speak spanish and we can understand each other. I wouldn't be surprised if in the next decades something like the "Latin American Nation", or at least, the "South American Nation" arised. I think it would be even easier that the emergence of the EU, because of these cultural affinities I mentioned. Although, I don't think it's going to be posible as long as Latin America has such an unstable economy in some countries; and I don't know if the creation of a "Latin American Nation" would be positive for the economy of the region.
You failed because your country is run by kleptocrats. In the late 1800s, the Argentinian state attempted to nationalise the beef industry, then when they got backlash for doing it, and a massive stock market crash (because no one wants to invest in somewhere that might nationalise their stuff) they sold it to the British. Where did that money go? The money that the government sold the biggest industry in the country for? You'd think it'd go into the state treasury, but no. I can't help but wonder why the Argentinian government is so intent on having the Fawklands/Malvinas when they're basically useless. Then you realise about this and the potentially justified dislike of the UK...
Excellent view point Federico! Estoy muy impresionado con su análisis y conocimiento sobre cómo América Latina podría establecerse como una entidad económica poderosa. Con el liderazgo adecuado, el futuro de América Latina podría ser muy brillante.
@@moritamikamikara3879 Argentina’s failure has much to do about who controls the monetary system. In the early 1900’s it was an economic power. The British colonialist realized this and attempted to dominate the country in the usual fashion through the banking system. The Argentines realized this increasing dependency and moved towards decoupling from the British banking stranglehold. Unfortunately economic independence has resulted in economic devastation which Argentina has yet to recover from despite its natural resource riches and geographical advantages. SAD!
As a Portuguese i can't accept there's no hope for Brasil, i have hope in Brasil and belive they can become a great nation, great men have tried and succeed, like Pedro II (very very underrated king in my opinion btw, probably one of the greatest human beings to have ever lived), i trust someone or a large group of people will eventually be able to make the dream of a strong Brasil a reality and I'll be rooting for them until the end. Força Brasil.
Sabe o que eu acho engraçado? Brasileiros parecem todos concordar que a monarquia foi o melhor tempo da nossa nação comparado com a República e eu acho isso fantástico, um dia nós iremos levantar a bandeira Imperial em Brasília irmãos. Ave Glória, Ave Império!
@@FeszVelry por mais que eu completamente concorde que o império foi o melhor governo, eu acredito que querer "voltar" pra uma monarquia é muito irrealistíco e também é um pensamento muito infantil de querer levantar a bandeira do império em Brasília.
@@phillipanselmo8540 Eu respeito sua visão, mas para mim governos centralizados com bons líderes são mais efetivos em muitos aspectos. Um império constitucional mas ainda democrático é uma solução mais do que viável.
Good perspective. Latin America is extremely difficult to describe. The food, the cultures, the “racial makeup”? the music and of course the history & politics. I am Latino and I can tell you that you hit some good points for someone not being from the culture.
@@FimiliarGalaxy9 It didn't need to be much longer to explain some basic stuff like the Bourbon Reforms. Also as an anglo he plays up race way too much.
@@PP-dz6gv ok you didn't watch it. It was explicitly said race had nothing to do with it. Although considering he left out the effects of Japanese immigration tells me he didn't play it up enough.
@@PP-dz6gv Where can I learn about this alternate narrative on race in colonial latin america? Because the narrative that whatifalthist provides is generally the one taught in (high)schools.
A lot of people might be tempted to blame Spain for our poverty after this video, but Spain herself has overtaken this problems and become a modern socialdemocracy with a market economy totally integrated into Europe. We did inherit the ways from the Spanish empire, but it's our duty to change those policies and establish different institutions, great video btw.
Roughly 200 years have passed since the independence of many of the New World countries. Most of us are still looking for someone to blame for our misfortunes. We could have been trying to grow and compete to make our countries better for the next generation, but it hasn't been the case. It's our turn, what will we do now?
In fact, Americas was way richer than the rest of the world under spanish rule. Extreme poverty and inequality came after independence. Por tu nombre creo que hablas español, yo soy colombiano y este tema me interesa mucho. Por esto, he tenido la oportunidad de leer algunas cosas acerca de la situación economica del imperio español y me he topado con información realmente impactante (por ejemplo, mexico y argentina eran más ricos que Londres y Milán en tiempos del imperio). Si deseas te puedo compartir estos estudios.
Latin America is more peaceful due to the fact that their cultural values are similar. they are less likely to come into conflict with each other as they are not going to have opposing religious groups striving for control.
Sorry, but that is just a questionable statement. Latin America had its fair share of bloody wars after independence (e.g. The genocidal war against Paraguay in the 19th century), also uncountable civil wars and guerilla wars, some of which have even lasted right up until a couple of years ago. (E.g. The FARC in Colombia, who laid their arms in 2016 after 60 years of conflict)
This is a very untrue statement, there's a large cultural division even within countries, and in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries many bloody wars occurred both between countries and internally, in Brazil alone there was probably more than 10 separatist wars in less than a 100 years span, and those wars only really stopped in the 1930s. Latin America is just as culturally diverse as the US or Western Europe, and all of those groups came into conflict many times.
28:15 Colonial societies tend to become extreme forms of the societies that created them. I remembered an anecdote that said a Medanese Chinese (chinese diaspora that lives mainly in Northern Sumatra, Indonesia) is more "chinese" than even the mainland Chinese. They were extremely proud of their heritage, have reputation to be business savvy (and in some cases have i-win, you-lose mentality in doing business) and hold on to antiquated chinese customs. Their family structure remained clan-based, with an elder acting as the patriarch who decided important matters, even overruled a father's authority over his own children.
Yeah thats too much sorry no. CIA take a major role of incentive and inteligence, not actually in the ground, in defense of the ytber. He goes soft on that so to not make much of a reaction.
Did you just ignore what he said? God you actually feed right into his point, where you just blame the Americans as an easy scapegoat for your own problems
@@diegogalvan1110 llora. le vamos a poner un impuesto del 25% a cada libra de cobre extraída de suelo chileno y expropiaremos no solo los derechos de agua, tambien todas las mayores fortunas de este pais
@@gabrielcollstefoni7765 expropiar?? . Usted es el que llora aparentemente, yo solo apunto que la nueva constitución puede dejar a Chile como Argentina o peor. No soy de Chile, no me afecta, usted sera el que disfrutará de su increíble manejo y de la nueva pobreza, y después llorará. Yo, en cambio, estaré riendo al ver como de lejos el mejor, y más prospero país de LATAM exige voluntariamente su destrucción aún teniendo al estado fallido de Argentina al lado, y a Venezuela como otro ejemplo.
@@nicolaszan1845 Mexico had a unique Focus Tree added in Man The Guns, 0 idea why. Not complaining, though. It's a nice first step.. *Years upon years ago.*
What a nice way of covering genocide by saying population was wiped out by diseases in a year And also justifying colonialism by saying the natives were uncivilised and fighting among themselves 😢
I wouldn’t be so negative on Latin American future, IMO the southern cone’s immense potential is just too overwhelming to be ignored in the future. Already Chile and Uruguay are as productive and stable as all but the west, and Argentina not terribly far behind. Also places like Colombia, Mexico, and Cuba have a lot less problems to deal with, and a lot more opportunity to fix them than other emerging economies like Nigeria, or India
@@diegogalvan1110 yeah that might be more of a stretch but with a well educated population discontent with their government with a strong neighbor such as the us who would support democratic reforms, I think there’s a high chance it becomes productive quite soon.
@@Reagankarr1 hmm No. Cuba is an incredibly poor country, with virtual no formal economy, a huge repressive government, and idk what Educated population you're talking about, because most are poorly educated, those who are educated work on other jobs not according to their knowledge and skill level. They barely have access to the internet, definitely, no.
I’m brazilian, and I can say that I agree with you on 90% of your arguments. Where I differ is about the center of the problem. Latin America felt apart when it tried to adopt a deeply different model of society and power structure that it was used to have. It went from monarchical, Catholic societies to presidential,UK or US based ones very fast. Some countries did it very early in their independence, others, like Brazil did it almost one century later, when it was converted from a monarchy to a republic, and as a brazilian myself, can say that Brazil was doing pretty well under a monarchy in the 19th century. With the republic, however, it felt apart completely with dictatorships and corruption consumed elites
That's is pretty interesting. I think this same thing has happened to some Middle Eastern countries, where democracies and republics also tend to fail spectacularly. Switching from a faith based monarchy to a secular democracy is a pretty fundamental transformation, and in some cultures, the switch probably should not even be attempted.
As someone from a Faith based monarchy in the middle East, I can safely say that we'd fail spectacularly if we became a secular democracy. I'm not a Muslim, I'm a Catholic, but I'd never want to make this country a secular country, it would not be nearly as rich as it is now without the support the king gets from his subjects, and faith plays a very important part in that.
@@danielwest6095 I think it’s a great comparison, in many ways we in Latin America are very similar to the middle eastern mindset. We have a large middle eastern population in here, I know many Lebanese personality, and they tend to think like brazilians in many aspects
Filipino who knows an exceptional amount of Philippine history here, especially specific events before Spanish colonization, I'd like to provide my input for your info should you ever stumble on this comment (I'm going to be talking especially about that part where you talk about how Philippines can arguably be considered part of Latin America, since it intrigued me that you brought it up) First off, we're in a unique situation where a lot of people have pointed out, that we don't seem "Asian" enough or "Hispanic" enough to match the "cultural flavor" (idk how else to word it) of East Asia, SE Asia, or Latin America. We are essentially an archipelago where a lot of foreign influences have all ended up in one place, you have Chinese, Spanish, American, Arabian, Indian, and even Pacific influence all piled up in one place, a giant cluster of so many cultures from around the world. That picture you showed, I feel like that may be either in Manila or Cebu, or some other urbanized area in the Philippines, but when you go to the rural places, the less touristy or crowded areas, or the Islamic areas in Mindanao (will get to that in a moment), the amount of Spanish influences gradually disappears. Places/people I can think of that come to mind are the Igorots, Mangyans, and Aetas. We have an underrated and almost unknown history of 700 years of partially recorded history before Magellan's landing that even the average Filipino will have almost no knowledge on (Specific events I can name: Majapahit Invasion of Luzon (The north and largest island), the reign of Dayang Kalangitan who was probably responsible for bringing the Kingdom of Tondo (oversimplified words, the predecessor of Manila) into a golden age, the Invasion of Brunei where Brunei made Tondo and the other kingdom of Maynila separate vassals of its own (and got into a war with Spain when they colonized because Brunei didnt like its possessions taken away)) The question of whether we are culturally part of Latin America, like in a similar sense that Australia, a country sharing the same time zones as East Asia and beside an Islamic Southeast Asian country, is actually under debate even to this day as it seems. Some people would say we're too Asian to be considered Hispanic, others say vice versa, in fact I've seen some people saying we're "Pacific Islanders" instead. Personally, I strongly lean on the Asian side. Plus there's the fact that speaking Spanish as a first language is essentially dead, four reasons being: 1. Americans set up an education system actively discouraging the use of Spanish 2. Unlike the Native Americans, we Filipinos never died to the diseases the Spaniards brought, I assume its because we have also been long in contact with Old World nations like China so we we're probably already familiar with them 3. Because of what I said in #2, the Spaniards were also afraid to teach us Spanish in fear that we might rise up against them (Education to the Philippines from Europe did not really come until the late 1800s) 4. The Japanese, who are generally agreed to be the most destructive colonizers here, actively destroyed a lot of the remaining Spanish heritage here when they occupied Philippines (EDIT 2021 August 5: It’s worth noting that after the EDSA Revolution of 1986, the new constitution dropped Spanish as a required language in school which effectively sealed the fate of Spanish in this country.) The closest thing we have to spoken Spanish is the Chavacano creole of Zamboanga. Now, some things to consider if we bring up language: Brazil is also considered part of Latin America despite speaking Portuguese, yet they are not excluded. But even then, a fact about the Philippines would still bother me even if you were to consider us "Hispanic", our main language, Filipino (which is based on Tagalog if I'm correct), is of the Austronesian language family. There are definitely a lot of Spanish words in our language, but grammatically speaking and otherwise, we're much closer to Bahasa Indonesia than Spanish, as Filipino is part of the Austronesian family. In fact, the Filipino language is in the same language family as Maori, Malagasy (of Madagascar), Hawaiian, and Tongan, Spanish meanwhile is in a completely different language family, so while we Filipinos can probably recognize words in spoken Spanish, we won't be able to understand everything in Spanish, spoken or written presumably. And our second language, its English. We are probably the Asian country who has the greatest skill in English, thanks to our historical ties with the USA, in fact, English is far more widely known and spoken than Spanish is. I don't know if you'll ever see this comment since I'm days late from uploading this, but in case you do, I hope you do give this a read! Since you said that Philippines is one of the places you know the least about, I hope this will help you learn more about us if you ever see it! :) PS, one random interesting fact: If you dug into the other side of the Earth starting in Philippines, you would end up in Brazil, near the Bolivian border :) DECEMBER 24 2021 EDIT: I've been watching more of your videos lately so, if you ever stumble on this comment, then I wanna push out a really stong opinion I have, which is that if Latin America can't really be considered part of Western civilization, then the same should be said for Philippines to Latin America. Philippines does have similarities, but it's significantly different enough to be its own thing (Which I feel like it does.... as a Filipino, I said a while back that I have trouble relating to their culture. Also we don't seem to be as much stuck as Latin America in the toxic cycle of colonial hierarchies, in fact if anything, Philippines' future seems positive considering we are directly part of the dynamic growth of Asia.) 2022/12/28 EDIT: Whatifalthist also released a video on Southeast Asia, and in it he continues to laud the Philippines around as part of Latin America. You might want to look for my comment on that video, I have brought up points further debunking what he said.
Just a quibble: the Asian country with the greatest skill in English is likely India, being the last major British colony to gain independence. But I'm an American; I don't know for certain
And yet, many Filipinos I know actively identify with Latin American culture. They go to Hispanic restaurants, they watch Latino telenovelas, they certainly pray in the same Churches (Catholicism very strong with most Filipinos I know). A few even date and marry them--and other Americans too.
@@tapplek The Indian likely know English from British influence, while we Filipinos know English from American influence. I don’t know the situation of English in India fully, but its likely we hold the advantage in knowing it more fluently than India, based on what I’ve seen. So much so that a lot of Koreans come here as a cheaper alternative option to study English
@@lyonellaverde3135 Let’s try testing this criteria out on me, a Filipino living in Philippines for more insight Gone to Hispanic restaurants - Nope I don’t recall doing that, unless I did at some point in the past and I did not realize it was Hispanic for some reason (in fact probably the only Spanish food I like at all is empanada, but yea I really like it its one of my favorites) Something worth noting though is that I have put a personal rule to myself not to associate patriotism/nationalism with food because that just creates pure frustration and I’d rather think about the taste of the food than how much a food is defined by its nation. So hmm, maybe I might be eating Hispanic or non-Hispanic food without realizing its Hispanic/not Hispanic? Watch Latino telenovelas - Never heard of a single one, I watch Japanese anime a lot more, and if its not that, then movies from around the world. (Then again I don’t watch any telenovelas at all so eh) And that being said, I actually personally don’t know a single Filipino who watches Spanish telenovelas, or at least if someone I know does, I’m not told they do so. In fact, many of my friends and ppl I know probably watch either Asian or USA stuff more…. *especially K-Pop, its essentially everywhere and there’s probably at least 100-1000 people who love to listen to it every square kilometer which I guess is also interesting but also in a way terrifying* 😂 Catholicism - I’m very much not Catholic, but I am a Christian (became one of my own accord). Besides I don’t see myself becoming Catholic anytime soon, even more so when I know the Spaniards forced it on our ancestors at gunpoint. Like every other person with common sense, I vehemently dislike ppl forcing me to convert, even more so at gunpoint (This is probably a very rare case for a Filipino tho, unless you’re in Mindanao). My emotions about this tbh is so intense, it would make me support the Tokugawa Shogunate’s actions in implementing isolationism, even if they persecuted Christians. But those are just my personal emotions. That being said though, yes there is a lot of Catholicism here so you’re right about that, unless of course, you go to Sulu or anywhere else in Western Mindanao, or to the indigenous places with little-no Spanish influences like probably…. the Aeta and rural Ifugao areas. (Then again those are actually minorities compared to the majority Catholic) Dating and Marrying People from the American Continents - Well guess this is one that can apply. My ancestry is an interesting case cause of so much diversity…. I have White American, Black American, Spanish, Chinese, and pure (probably meaning indigenous) Filipino blood mixed in all with me. So those are my insights, I’m actually interested to know what type of ppl the Filipinos you know are like, since I very much do not identify with Latin American culture. Actually as a matter of fact, I have a lot of trouble personally relating to many aspects of Latin American culture even if I tried, much to the point that it is easier for me to relate to Japanese or Indonesian culture. (Although, I should point out that I consider Latin America as a place I generally have limited info on, its on the other side of the world so compared to East & Southeast Asia, I relatively don’t know as much detailed info abt that place than I do abt here) A disclaimer when considering what I said though is that I’m not like the average Filipino. In fact, given my character and background, I might be a very unique case for a Filipino, given that my own lifestyle and beliefs are already so not normal compared to the average Filipino, so it may not represent the majority of what Filipinos here think. (Then again tbh, I’d probably still be too unique even if I wasn’t a Filipino and grew up in a different country) Plus hmmm, even if its small rn, there’s actually been a rise in awareness to pre-colonial Philippines recently (the release of Netflix’s Trese being an example), I might be one of the group of ppl absorbing that influence since its essentially rampant in my background and I could spot a reference to one since childhood.
@@boaoftheboaians Looking at the overall histories of the countries that now form ASEAN 🇧🇳🇰🇭🇮🇩🇱🇦🇲🇾🇲🇲🇵🇭🇸🇬🇹🇭🇹🇱🇻🇳they have their own multitude of Religious and Cultural influences that shaped the countries there as we know it today It just so happened that compared to other colonizing Powers, Spain 🇪🇸 is much more aggressive in promoting it’s own culture even 🇵🇭 that far because of their own MO, sometimes at the expense of the already existing Indian 🇮🇳 cultural influences that used to be bigger (See: Revolts in the Philippines during Spanish Rule) and the ones that did survive are now hiding in plain sight in the form of flowers, vegetables, fruits, languages, mythologies, philosophies, certain religious rituals, cultural values, norms, mores, cuisine especially the desserts 🧁 🍚 (do you know what “Puto” really means) etc... the indigenous Indic scripts continue to remain in use until the mid-1700’s for the purposes of translating religious texts from Spanish to the indigenous languages so as to transmit Catholicism through the indigenous languages and to keep the native people divided and ignorant of their own history so as keep them for much longer Also please heed my warning, Beware of (Filipino)Hispanistas Why? Because I see many of them here ready to regurgitate their nonsense about “Hispanic influence” that they want to consistently exaggerate, overexpose, make it bigger than it actually is especially demographic wise which is the most important indicator on how strong the influence is because of the transmission of culture-to hide the fact that they are secretly ashamed of their pre-existing culture and by extension themselves which is historically more in line with SEAsia than Vietnam 🇻🇳. (See:Indianization of SEAsia) It is possible to spread thy culture(s) without undermining the pre-existing cultures that is already there (the natives processing them in their own terms), there are still significant differences between Ancient India 🇮🇳 and the Indianized polities of SEAsia (not exactly the same but creating their own style being inspired by Ancient India 🇮🇳) which is a different experience from Hispanization (both natural and unnatural) and needless to say that the Hispanization of the Philippine Archipelago is very different from the rest of Latin America for they are a settler colony with Spanish migrants intermarrying with the Amerindians being more common there than the Spanish East Indies where the biggest foreign admixture is Chinese-de Sangley being there for Spanish Silver (business opportunities) it makes sense in hindsight. There’s some other kind of Mestizos like: de España-(being exaggerated by Spanish Apologists, it’s a lot smaller because of the distance) de Hapon-as a byproduct of Japanese Christians seeking refuge from persecution (there is a Christian Japanese Samurai whose name is Takayama Ukon) de Bombay-as a byproduct of the short lived occupation of Britain 🇬🇧 of Manila and Cavite during the Seven Years War through Sepoys who later mutinied against their British officers for their earlier mistreatment and have settled in Cainta and Taytay This alone can prove that at the very beginning, Hispanization process of Philippines 🇵🇭 (business outpost for Imperio España See:Manila Galleons they borrowed that from us from a pre-existing Chinese goods monopoly) is very different from Latin America explaining why it didn’t last as much as LA due to several factors by inside and outside forces
I majored in Latin American studies and Spanish Language. It was such an amazing education on the culture, politics, and economies of Spanish-speaking countries of the Western Hemisphere.
Tbh I didn't really like the video... But I guess it was wrong since the beginning. I tried not to be unfair, but an American explaining about Latin America and what it should do is quite ironic. You went on and on about how the US didn't mess up as bad but you did. That does not diminish the fact that corrupt politicians and just plain bad governments are the norm here, but painting it as not part of western culture and just dirt poor like if we were starving to death isn't correct at all. Hell, you even said that if foreign companies didn't come in, we couldn't do anything at all? What? More than half on the companies and entrepreneurships borned in Latam are bought and monopolized by foreign companies, we literally have no way to compete... There's still need for foreign investment, but you depicted it in an incorrect and insulting manner.. Damn, this really wasn't a good video, I'm sorry. I don't have time right now to keep exposing my arguments, maybe later or whatever. Greetings from Costa Rica. PD: For fucks sake, you Americans really need to stop giving so much importance to ethnics. You said that the "best countries" (like my own) had homogenous ethnicity as and advantage and no we don't. It's just that we don't give a fuck, and neither should you. That's why we don't have any wars, we just hate each other for who they are, not for skin color.
Completamente de acuerdo. Su discurso sobre las empresas extranjeras refleja mucha condescendencia y sentido de superioridad. También interpreta a latinoamerica bajo su chauvinismo y valores bélicos estadounidenses. Dice que como no hay guerras, las naciones no tienen incentivos para ser mejores XP. No entiende que no entiende.
Me cae mas gordo escuchar latinos que culpan a los Estados unidos por todo, que un americano que no sabe todos los crimenes de la CIA. La neta hemos sonado como un disco rayado por los ultimos 75 años y nos debería dar verguenza. Somos como los niños de secundaria que cren que la gm2 fue solo culpa de Hitler. Solo para despues darce quenta que el no habria hecho nada sin que el resto de europa lo dejara que se arme y anexe Austria o sin el apoyo de millones de alemanes. Que Francia se rindio en tres semanas y que los estados unidos no entro por collon hasta que lo mamo Japon. Mi punto es este, cuando culpamos a los EEUU por todo, cerramos la conversacion y no hablamos de : : : el exceso de burocracia, la deshonestidad, las envidias, el populismo, corrupcion, consumerismo, la mentalidad de victima, la violencia domestica, homicidio etc. Leamos mas libros que las venas abiertas y san se acabo. Y tomemos responsabildad.
@@portlandcement6817 a ver, primero baja esa condescendencia tan molesta que tienes, hasta se me hace molesto tener que responderte. Ahora bien, en primer lugar decir que aquí nadie ha dicho que todo es culpa de EU, si desde el inicio se habla de los gobiernos ineficientes y corruptos que se tienen como norma aquí, así como de la cultura conformista que es muy común. Eso no quita en lo absoluto que Estados Unidos es un factor fundamental y no entiendo porque lo defiendes. Claro que un estadounidense promedio no tiene la culpa, pero así tampoco un latino promedio tiene la culpa de todos los problemas entonces ese argumento no tiene sentido. Seguidamente y con todo respeto, ese argumento de la guerra mundial me parece... Como decirlo... ¿Idiota? ¿Sin sentido? No tiene absolutamente nada que ver, comparas un individuo con un país de millones. Si quitas a Hitler probablemente apareciera otro megalomaníaco alemán, pero la historia variaría según la personalidad de este, pero si quitas a cualquier estadounidense, incluso un expresidente, todo seguiría prácticamente igual, no tiene sentido. Y claro que los problemas que tenemos son solucionables y nos toca a la poblacion joven el buscar las soluciones, pero estamos en un video erróneo y con claros intereses en pro-estadounidense, por lo que los argumentos se giran a desmontar estas afirmaciones, no por victimismo, ¿es claro no?. Por último, ese argumento de "hemos estado 75 años con lo mismo" es erróneo también. Si en 75 años no cambia nada entonces el reclamo sigue siendo válido, ¿o pretendes decir que, por ejemplo, los esclavos debieron dejar de quejarse sólo porque pasaron mucho tiempo como esclavos sin ningún cambio? ¿o las mujeres con las situaciones machistas que existían? Tal vez Martín Luther King no debió decir nada porque parecería un disco rayado ¿no?. Espero haber ayudado a entender de los problemas de este video. PD: No uses palabras si no conoces su significado, es consumerismo no es un problema, al contrario, son los derechos del consumidor por sobre la oferta en el mercado, y hace alusión a consumo responsable. Creo que hablabas de consumismo.
Pues es gringo, qué esperabas? Por más hiistoriador que sea, si solo habla Inglés, solo se va a informar en libros escritos en dicho idioma, principalmente estadounidenses o ingleses y como dicen "la historia la escriben los vencedores" Es como hablar con un español en cuanto a la conquista, o como cuando los coreanos les cuestionan a los japoneses de lo que les hicieron
29:46 Chile used to have a powerful, respected and feared aristocracy until the aftermath of the War of the Pacific. The aristocracy got so much wealth from the war that they became obsessive consumers of imported goods, driving itself into the lower class with over spending in frivolus things (like buying cars when almost all the roads were dirt/mud roads or expensive clothes). The hierarchy collapsed since the respected and austere "patron" became a degenerate british/french wannabe and it didn't make sense to respect the old aristocracy anymore.
As a Filipino, it sounds a lot like what's happened to us in the past 50 years, minus the war, just replace it with the collapse of sugar and agricultural commodities prices in the '80s. Many who were farmers just a generation ago are now wealthier than the hacenderos who practically owned their grandfathers. It has to be said that we were always a milder flavor of Latin American, made milder still by the Americans, so I think we have good prospects moving forward (though of course I'm biased towards my own country).
Speaking of The War Of The Pacific, I don't think either the Democrats nor the Republicans care about South America enough to make it happen, but hopefully some future POTUS can negotiate a compromise between Chile, Peru, and Bolivia which can bring about the compromise proposed by Pinochet that would given Bolivia back a small corridor to the sea. I don't think access to the sea in and of itself would be enough to solve Bolivia's problems, but putting the issue behind them and restoring cooperation with Chile might.
BS. All this video is just that. Massive mixing of truth and half truth and outright lies. I was willing to give it a hear but, oh lord was I wrong. For one, the fact that the population sizes in the empire were overlooked or outright downplayed was very telling. 1790 US population cannot be compared to Mexico because Mexico was not a country yet, and it should have been compared to the population of the whole country which included not only new Spain, but the other viceroyalties.
Everything you said before part 3 was well understood by Simon Bolivar. I am very surprised that you did not mention him. It is clear that he was very good at diagnosing the problem but was incapable of providing a long-term solution. I consider this to be very critical to the ideology of the region
@@SA2004YG your statement goes to the Crux of his problem. He tried both absolute control and letting go and nothing seemed to work for him. In the end it's hard to tell what he actually stood for in terms of Any Way Forward.
Short answer: Mostly filled with corruption with government officials taking most of the public money and the countries are usually EU simp's or Russian puppet states, sometimes they're both.
The thing you said about history covering spain until the conquest of the aztecs and the incas is so true. They're just like "and then suddenly Mexico was exactly like it is today". I think this really downplays the importance of indigenous people's since we rarely look at all the things that happened to them in between the conquest and revolutionary periods in Latin America. Not to mention the fact that two extremely different worlds colliding and merging together is just an interesting concept in general to study.
"And it's not as war ridden and desperatly poor as africa". Me, a Colombian(50+ years in an armed conflict and with whole regions without a single road): Are u sure about that pal?
Wrong because they had. The provinces of Minho and Trás-os-Montes were turning depopulated because of the immigration to Brazil. Laws were passed to stop that. Why? Portugal, unlike Castille and England always had little population. Approximately 924k Portuguese settlers came to Brazil between 1500 and 1808 (IBGE) and these numbers are incredible for its small size.
Brazilian here, one of our great problems is that people dont know what the problem is, brazilians have the most bizarre ideas about whats holding the country back which are all based on fantasy. No one cares about the boring real world stuff like logistical efficiency and production gaps instead focusing on some political hot topic that can be used as a battle cry. All our energy is wasted solving issues that either don't exist or don't matter. The single best ruler we had IMO was Vargas, he is disliked for his extreme authoritarian bahaviour and corporatist policies but he did something that few rulers were able to: correctly identify and solve the country's biggest problem, which at the time was lack of domestic steel production. This sort of attitude is nearly unheard of.
What has democracy helped us with? This country is a mess filled with internal fighting among politicians and different ideologies and no focus on the things that matter
The continued use of trucks to move agricultural production instead of building railroads is mindbogglingly wasteful and proves your point. On the other hand, who is going to spend billions of reals building a railroad just to have the next politician essentially steal it?
@@leonardoleo5740 ele tinha um ego fragil e gostava de assasinar as pessoas que falavam mal dele, e tinha uma politica corporativista um tanto questionavel.
When you talk about the spanish empire seeking gold, this was only partially true, and only during the first conquests. The spanish empire destined a lot of money into religious motives, which means much of the silver extracted in latin america was used for financing infraestructure in latin america, such as churches, missions and universities (this were run by the church in that time). Also the cast system is more of a myth than anything else, you can't compare north american society saying they were much equal when you are only considering the white population. That is the main difference between the british and spanish empire ay of colonizing. Spanish mixed as they didn't have issues with natives being considered inferior, but british did. Spain spent a lot of money in the americas as part of spain, while the british treated their colonies like only outposts that produced wealth for the mainland. That's why you had a thriving group of british settlers who mainly traded as the hardwork was made by slaves, while in Latin america you had a mixed society with mixed race peasants and a mainly white ruling class. Even Alexander von Humboldt mentioned that spanish america's peasants where "poor, but free" and said they lived better than peasants in rural europe at that time
@ TemplarClip Gold was only a part of it. As part of the Spanish Empire, Spain and its colonies pursued the mercantilist system while other countries made the transition to capitalism. . You also need to look up the term infrastructure. Churches and universities focused on religion are not infrastructure.
@@dennisweidner288 the only countries that actually made that step where Britain and the Netherlands (others did too but just considering the ones with colonies for now) When I said infrastructure i refer to social infrastructure. The fact that the buildings where from the church doesnt make them useless for other things, the universities were not focused on religion despite popular belief ( more like religion-oriented) . Hospitals related to the church were abundant in spanish cities and actually one of the first massive vaccine campaign, known as the Balmis Expedition, was financed by the Spanish empire for its colonies. also, the thirteen colonies functioned as an independent system from the begining, economically speaking, working as a single unit. The spanish americas worked as a unit in conjuction with mainland spain, so independence just divided the system and latin america was left with an incomplete system, only worsened by the fact that it became independent as many little countries instead of a single state. Oh, and I forgot to mention the inmense debt the US had with spain after the revolution which they didn't pay, meanwhile latin america had a debt with britain, which, being a superpower, would not let it go.
@@dennisweidner288 First of all i do agree that the ways of Spain (and France in some extent) stopped being the norm and were less powerful, I haven't denied that ( and trust me im no leftist, Im not american so not very familiar with the democrat analogy). The problem I remark is that Spain did provide its colonies with a fair amount of buildings and institutions, which just did not went into good use after indpendence because of corruption. Even a lot of people in the americas didn't want indpendence from Spain. Many of the "Libertadores" actually made people believe this was temporary, because spanish rule was awful due to Napoleon's ocupation of Spain. My point is, Latin america was better as spanish than after independence. And Latin american politicians like to blame Spain for its misery while its their own fault and their governor's. One exception to the rule is Chile, which during spanish rule was of no use, and was the poorest region of the empire. Today its the leading country in LA (still far from West European and North American countries) The last point is about science. Science advances were not common in Spain nor in England until the 1750s with exception of Sir Isaac Newton and Robert Hooke. It was during napoleonic era that we saw a visible flourishment of scientists. Anyway, you are probably refering to industry and manufacturing when you talk about science, yet engineering was not even an area of study in universities, it was more associated with workshops and craftsmen. Most of the great science advances of the 18th century were not applied until much later, ( imaginary numbers had no real use until electricity and wave function were studied and applied in complex circuits). And the article you sent didnt even mention debt with spain. The americans never recognized the total amount of debt, so you wont find it written in american records (spanish dont have much either) yet historians know about it, even JFK mentioned it once.
@@cipmaster1 I think you are correct that there were impressive buildings in Latin America and important institutions. But the video goes into this. The Spanis Empire was based on largely urban development. The 13 British colonies were more rural development without big cities. But big buildings do not mean productive economic activity, especially if they are primarily for the church or an army of lawyers and bureaucrats addressing the moujnaneous waves of royal edicts emanating from Madrid. Rather in the 13 colonies there were moidest elected legislatures creating often practical law which governed their lives. As for science, this is a modern 19th-century term. The term in the 17th century was natural philosophers. And I heartily disagree that science was not important or common. Our modern scientific world rests on the shoulders of these men, Many were English, but not all. None were Spanish and none emerged from the many Latin American 'universities' often referred to. Men like Galileo, Kepler, Bacon, Pascal, and Descartes to name just a few. Now when you talk about workshops and craftsmen I am more on board with you. But again the advances came from English and other craftsmen and workshops--not Spanish, all despite the immense wealth of Spain. Here the Royal Navy played a vital role because of its need for navigation, gunnery, and other matters. Which led toward the industrial revolution and mass production. (The Spanish Navy which once ruled the seas did not play an important role.) As for the article I sent, I'll grant you that it primarily addresses the French and Dutch debt, but Spain is mentioned. (Use the search function to find the reference.) And states flatly " The United States no longer owed money to foreign governments, although it continued to owe money to private investors both in the United States and in Europe."
@@dennisweidner288 Although it wasn't always the case, I agree with the fact that craftmanship was superior in england and its colonies at the end of the 18th century. I also think I didnt express myself well when I talked about scientists, I do consider them important and even vital for a state, but many of there discoveries weren't "useful" (sorry for that word, but i cant find a better one) until much later, as a chemical eng. student myself I'm always amazed at how most of the bases of modern science were already present hundreds of years ago, but it took a shift in mindset to start using them to our advantage.
The Philippines is also the largely forgotten "Asian" country whenever everyone is talking about Asia. It's quite literally the Christian step child of Asia.
More like bastard child of Asia and Spain, like the product of an affair lmfao. Alienated and doesn't know its "half brothers" across the Pacific too well, and a bit odd compared to its brothers in SE Asia.
Starts by saying the Latin America is never talked about, proceeds to talk only minimally about the Portuguese-speaking Latin America, generalizing everything in Spanish America towards Brasil. Hey, Brazillians, how did you like the 'caudillo chaos' after 1823?
I mean, he did point out that Brazil is an exception to those tendencies, but maybe he could've elaborated some more on Brazil's history, especially the reign of Pedro II.
@@deafsear7548 Well, Brazil is phisically half of South America. I'm really not sure if the guy who authored this doesn't actually know anything about Brazil (and Pará) or just doesn't care and only want to talk about the Spanish empire. Must be that age old confusion between Spain and Iberia in the English language. (not to mention forgeting abou QUebec as part of Latin America: but ok, that's a stretch)
I can tell you from living my whole life in latin america, it doesn't work, we are survivors. When we move to 1st world countries and stable economies we're kings at surviving and saving money everywhere we can lmao
@@the11382 Yep, if you see history, the ones who usually live the hardest lives, become on top, due to survival of the fittest. This happened with the Central Asian tribes and how they conquered Rome. This is why Europe is first world nowadays, because back then in the middle ages while it was the golden ages in Asia and Africa, in Europe it was hell, due to for example, the black death. Due to this desperation technology developed there rapidly, they set sail for new lands and found future superpowers like America. However if you see nowadays, due to the fact that they've been living easy lives for a long time now, they become more complacent and stop developing as fast as they were before. I could see Africa and Asia becoming much more bigger players in the future, especially with the rapidly increasing populations there. Latin America however, could possibly find a way out of the hellhole they are in right now, but they need to also somehow find a way around American hegemony and become powerful enough so that they don't tamper with your countries when they please.
@@unlimited8410 " but they need to also somehow find a way around American hegemony and become powerful enough so that they don't tamper with your countries when they please." that doesn't happen in latin america since 2001... when the US turned its attention to Middle East and went fighting there This is just a poor excuse. The Amercian intervention wasn't even that bad, it stopped communism in its track. Fuck communism.
Even if USA was tampering with latin america that much, in the long term, it wont matter, as USA becomes more of a police state and close itself out of the world. That's just putting a blame on others. Heck, get stronger systems. The fact is, latin america governments are so easy to bribe because they are corrupt, that USA didn't even need to try hard, and probably tampered kind of by mistake. Here, you incompetent government, I just walk over you... As someone living in brazil, that is descendant of Italians, I'm always amazed by levels of stupidity, incompetency and lack of study in my fellow citizens. Like, the hell, that explain a lot of our problems, we need actual education, not this shit they present us in its the place. And I'm talking about the public universities too, they are absolutely the worst in keeping the stupid silos, stopping progress and industry, and being disconnected from the rest of the world, like, can you stop reading the fucking marx bullshit, we world is past that.
@@the11382 except there’s no barbarism and war, just bureaucracy and corruption. People live relatively peacefully and ride high times when commodities are in demand, and fall back into poverty when markets fluctuate.
@@voicelessglottalfricative6567 internal strife wawsn't that big on the incas, it's not the aztec's eldritch horror of alliances trough terror, it was more of a persian empire. The only civil war they have happened becase the inca, and the direct sucessor died of small pox, along with half the population, it was the sickness what did in these empires.
@@ayinstrumentals7731 Spot on. Imagine your empire is falling apart and some random white guys come in to finish the job and rub some salt in the wound lol
Argentina was once percieved by commentators as a rising great power before their corrupt leaders exhausted any international good will by nationalizing certain industry held by foreign investors, among other things. Its a cycle that continually repeats itself unfortunately.
Hello Rudyard. I don't know if you'll ever read this but i love your videos and I just wanted to thank you for the great work you have been doing all this time. I am impressed by the growth of your channel and i think it is well deserved. The geopolicics series sure did the trick. But please don't stop making alternate histories, they're cool as well. I don't think it's overstated when i say that you have greatly contributed to my current worldview. I would even go as far as saying that you are a role model to me, if it weren't for the fact that i don't know you, who knows maybe you are a dick in real life:). But you have introduced me to Mr Chad Aurelius so that's something. Who knows, maybe i will finally be able to make up my own opinions and thoughts. I hope your channel continues to grow and prosper and i also hope that you keep improving and considering other people's feedback. It's always good to look back to where one started and not let oneself be blinded by success. You'll always have a bunch of nerdy losers like me that enjoy this type of content. PS: Greetings to those people who, like me, always scroll through the comments without ever contributing anything to the conversation.
@Michael Woods I think he gets these kind of comments/messages from time to time, which is not really that surprising considering that he pretty much created a niche for himself that i didn't even know existed before i started watching his videos.
@@stefanpfeiffermerino7633 I mean he doesn't really provide any sources, his historical conclusions do not really stand scrutiny and he doesn't explain his thought process at times that we as the viewer would benefit from hearing about.
Nah, its quite different actually. Brazil was more of a confederate states that didnt have enough middle class and artisans to balance the the landlords out unlike the USA. Foi mal mano mas realmente n dá pra comparar
@@bigboineptune9567 I feel like someone could make a countryball meme with this, about cool and strong USA no longer being cool and hanging out with Brazil, who the US used to make fun of.
In the first 1800s US travelers were amazed by the roads, hospitals, schools, universities and the social and cultural development of Spanish America’s empire, far superior in many ways to those in their own country. After the wars of independence those very same countries did nothing but to lose wealth, economic and social progress due to their corrupted elites (the so called “libertadores”), supported and financed by British empire, interested in raw materials and in destroying Spanish influence in America... 200 years later Latin America’s nationalistic leaders still reject to assume their sole responsibilities for the miserable conditions of their countries, blaming all their problems on the Spanish empire gone so long ago
Spanish america was far behind development than the other empires (specially in forms of production) And no, the corruption didnt came from las independencias, just remind why the "reformas borbonicas" where created
@@eq1373 Well...like the support of dictatorships during almost all the cold war and military interventions like: 1831:Argentina 1859:Paraguay 1891:Chile 1916:Dominican Republic 1915:Haiti 1846-1848: México 1853: Nicaragua 1894: Nicaragua 1855: Uruguay 1858: Uruguay 1868: Uruguay 1914: México 1989:Panama and those are just a few of them...
As a latin american sometimes you dream that somehow by pulling the right strings it will eventually get to be a proper developed country, then you snap out to reality and find out you are in one of the "better countries" of the region and is still very far from that goal Nice video btw
Eso es tristemente cierto. Es uno de esos momentos donde la cabeza se te va, y esperas ver un buen país algún día, o una Latinoamérica unida, pero después te despertas y seguís en el saco de boxear de los Estados Unidos
@@UncleAsmos2005 opino que deberíamos aprovechar el internet para hacer movimientos políticos con ideas que busquen ayudar el país, no revoluciones porque nos vamos pal pico, sino movimientos con partidos políticos y todo, colaborando varios países entre todos, esto seguramente no sea posible hasta que todos los vejestorios que están en el poder se mueran, pero hay que tener fé
@@lore9828 Ya se intentó varias veces eso, y nunca funcionó. Lo pensé mucho, y creo que uno de los grandes problemas es que Latinoamérica es muy jóven. No podemos compararnos de ninguna manera con Europa o Japón, que llevan más de mil años de cultura, con bajas y altas, hasta ahora que llegaron a mantenerse..Si vieras imágenes de finlandia de hace 100 años lo entenderías. Todavía somos sociedades jóvenes. No queda otra que soportarnos y hacer las cosas lo menos horriblemente posible. Y eso que soy de Argentina, que dentro de la región es uno de los mejores países. Pero está a mucho de ser un ideal.
Did you edit their script so that it wasn't historically ignorant? Very much appreciated, other channels who have taken them as a sponsor have read their bullshit scripts word for word. Much respect.
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24th day of asking until you notice me
What if the Spanish Armada was successful
In Argentina we have a phrase:
"If you leave the country for 10 days and come back everything has changed, if you leave for 10 years and come back nothing has changed"
That's pretty cool ngl
Tremendo
Wait, you can leave? Why did nobody ever mention that to me?!?!
La forza de lo Peronismo...
Jajaj si
Here in Brazil we have a saying that's more or less like this:
"Here in Brazil you can die of anything, except boredom"
Lmao in argentina we say the same thing. Hi neighbour!!
I think that phrase would work with any Latin America Country.
@@mag9797 JAJAJA viva latino América!
The life of poorness is a box of surprises but never have a winner ticket
I live in Brazil, but I’ve never heard that
"How does Latin America work?"
Me, a Latin American: It doesn't.
Same with the Philippines lol.
Oh come on it can't be that bad right. I am from America by the way I don't know how bad it is.
@fuqc goggul trust me you Africans are in a better place than us Indians right now.
@Alex 3452 profile pic checks out
Damn I was about to make that joke
The common saying is that emigrating from one country to another within Latin America is like changing cabins on the Titanic.
Underrated comment lol hahaahaha 😂
Para nada común pero bueh
Ouch!
Kkkkkkk comentário foda mano.
Damn.
"The borders in Latin America make too much sense."
*Bolivia goes into apocalyptic rage ranting about The War Of The Pacific.*
It's funny given how Bolivia has no reason to exist at all other than to be a buffer zone between Peru and Argentina, kind of like the Belgium of the Americas.
Plz do Southeast Asia
G I B S E A !
@@trelk_9144 But Belgium doesn't go crying to
the Hague arguing that they should get Dunkirk.
I mean to be fair I don't think the people making the maps had any idea of the value of the minerals in that desert
1st world countries: Latin America how are you not panicking with the crisis the pandemic has brought ?
Latin America: that's my secret 1st world... I'm always in crisis
Aquí hay un dicho. “¿Que es una raya más para un tigre?”
Here there’s a saying “what is one more stripe for a tiger?”
@@silvon4r ...y bajo ese concepto nació la pantera jajajaja
@@eenimeenimiinimoh3128 xd
tamare :(
Nosotros SOMOS la crisis viviente, vivir en Argentina causa ataques de panico
We ARE crisis incarnated, living in Argentina causes you panic attacks...
*Latin America: Don't have much wars. So, powers don't compete and develop.*
*Cartels: and I took that personally*
More accurate
Cartels, CIA, and political extremists: and I took that personally
There were a lot of wars on the 19 century in South America, and don't be too surprised if we have one on the next decades. There is a lot of antagonism here, it's just not too know for the rest of the world.
The cartels could be a saying force for reorganization in latin america if they had ambitions and better organization, and if the current govts either fell (and the cartels filled the vacuum, like with the shogunates of japan) or embraced and integrated them outright. The big problem is corruption, but corruption is a problem in most if not all governments the world over
@@havokmusicinc That's just Mexicoz Colombia and maybe El Salvador. Cartels have little to no power on the countries south of Colombia.
@@havokmusicinc This is actually something that is starting to happen in parts of Western Venezuela, with regions and provincial capitols becoming seeing more economic activities and interests from groups tied to ever-expanding gangs and cartels who have basically taken over the main points of entry to the country and now provide and require some infrastructure. Maracaibo in 2017 had empty shelves no real currency to trade-in.
Nowadays Maracaibo (Largest western Venezuelan city and economic center) is full of stores filled with black market imported goods and a growing flow of US Dollars which are now used for every transaction from food to real-estate, including services like fiber-optic internet. It's really crazy.
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2:07 to 410 what civilisation is Latin America in?
4:10 to 8:56 the conquest and why it happened.
8:59 to 15:57 Colonial Society and how the states were formed
15:57 to 18:04 racial and class divide
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2.20 Latin America is errrm...Latin? Which I’m pretty sure is like Roman, which I’m pretty sure is part of western civilization.
What many Americans think of as “western civilization” is British culture, which is a type of western civilization. Each European nation has different expressions of western civilization.
The 1776 cult appears to have taught Americans that America (if anything) is culturally Europe mark 2, rather than (far more accurately) being Britain mark 2.
@@bigyin2586 >I am very smart.
Brazil is the weirdest place on Earth: Once we had a Colonial-Native alliance under the Portuguese fighting Germans, Scots and Norwegians under the Dutch.
Meu amigo, our country has many problems but lack of amazing history is not one of them. The king of the country that colonized our territory moved here and didn’t want to come back to europe. Can you imagine a British or Spanish king doing that? Brazilians and Portuguese have indeed very interesting ancestors haha.
@Ploska Latin america flourished under catholicism. Our whole societies were built to function that way. When the independence movements with enlightenment ideals happened it created the deformed countries we have, with governments that never represented the Catholic roots of the people. It can only lead to disgrace and mayhem.
@@Nimai_Aquino I wouldn't say they "flourished", but it was stable.
@@Nimai_Aquino It wasnt the king of Portugal, it was his heir (who later became king of portugal) the one who stayed in Brasil and later declared independence, but no King would ever wanted to live in a colony, the reason they fled portugal is because Napoleon invaded.
@@Nimai_Aquino I agree with your second statement, here in Mexico we would be 1000 times better with a monarch than what we are as a republic.
Here in Brazil we constantly complain about how nobody does nothing to solve our country's problems while also not doing nothing to solve them.
Uma coisa importante é que já chegamos em um ponto que não levamos nosso país a sério, todo mundo fala sobre o potencial do Brasil, mas ninguém acredita mais de verdade
País palhaço desse nao tem esperança não.
Brasil tem potencial, vôces tem que liberalizar o mercado e empezar a produzir coisas localmente pra as Américas em vez de vender todo as materiais brutas pra china. Acho que o problema é que Brasil tem pouca liberdade econômica pra investidores gringos e empreendedor brasileiros. Você paga tão pra um estado que leva todos os impostos nas suas bolsas.
@@jeremietellier3116 kkk, o difícil é algumas pessoas levantar a bunda do sofá e fazer isso!!
@@jeremietellier3116 Se prepara que vai vir alguem ai pra falar pra vc que o Estado sabe melhor sobre vc do que vc mesmo, logo tem que regulamentar pra te salvar de vc mesmo.
As a Latin American myself, I ask myself this question every day
On a positive note, my family noticed a remarkably rise in success among the people that joined the church (in our case, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, often nicknamed mormons). Two of our more significant tenets - after faith in and so forth - is avoiding alcohol, and valuing education. First generation church members were still poor (literal dirt floors), but by the second and third generation they became upper-middle class with well educated professions.
A higher value on honesty and integrity is also valuable.
Contrast this with the "religious" conquerors who sent native slaves to die the mines, and plated their shrines and churches in gold in an attempt to appease God. This is a prime example of the difference between top-down power motivated religion, and bottom-up self-improving motivated religion. (I'm not trying to shame any one religion here, people of all faiths are equally capable of either being good or being hypocrites.)
It would be surprisingly easy for latin america to become incredibly strong. All it would take is personal change, and a miracle.
race is the key to understanding the differences between North America and South America
Because the government control in everything. Need to have free enterprise
Same with Jews in Latin America. However, the main purpose of the Gospel is to lead people to salvation through faith in Christ, repentance and the free gift of grace. Wealth of lack there of is God’s Providence. Being rich and in a cult is worthless.
@@ricardonavarro6530 bro he LITERALLY debunked that shit on the video, did you watch or not?
"Canadians and Americans often look upon it with a combination of horror and condescension."
That's our reaction to everything that isn't ourselves. And sometimes parts of ourselves too.
but moreso south america
Naw. For example, I look on CHINA with a bit of horror but absolutely no condescension; they're not to be fucked with. I don't look on Singapore with either of these; I admire them. India I view with condescension but no horror.
Latin America, though? Shitholes. Nothing but shitholes. And I'm terrified we'll become like them, since America seems to be headed towards those levels of political corruption.
The privileged folks of the north keep their wealth to themselves and demonize anybody who has less than that amount of wealth. In their civilization, the rich see the middle class as obstacles to their power and the middle class see the poor as threats to their endless comfort. As a result, the poor have been discouraged & kept from climbing the socioeconomic ladder, resulting in a huge chasm between the rich and the poor.
I once saw a comment that said " Latin America only has laws when tourists are around" and it is kind of funny and sad at the same time
Yeah, I had the fortune of having a road trip in Ecuador, mostly due to my interest in nature (and that's where the Galapagos Islands are), mostly staying in wealthy hotels, walking around the city centers (when not in nature, ofc) and I thought what a well-organized, nice and safe place. Little did I know back then.
And don’t let the tourist get too far off the path
Isn't that the case for most developing countries?
Sounds like St. Louis, Missouri
@@momo-cchi5978 some countries break the law either way
Remember that more Japanese emigrated to Brazil than to the US, and more Italians emigrated to Argentina than to the US..
About half of the Argentinians have Italian roots.
Worst... napolitan roots.
Remeber that more Italians emigrated to Brazil than to Argentina
@@SenorGuina That is not true, it is a myth because what is true is that there are more Italian descendants in Brazil (thanks to its larger population) than in Argentina. however, more Italians emigrated to Argentina than to Brazil in total. This is clearly seen in the ethical groups of both countries. while Italians are another ethnic group along with Japanese, Africans and Germans in Argentina the descendants of Italians represent 62.5% of the population and the most conservative say it is 50%.
And more Spaniards emigrated to Mexico than to the US and any other latin country.
The story of how a continent and a half and all the cultures and peoples on it came to be named after an ancient Italian tribe on the Tiber
Half a continent, for latin america there is just the american continent , the us even has the first map were it was branded " america", not north and south america.
@@cseijifja There are seven continents.
@@cseijifja I can get grouping Europe and Asia. But I don't know why not split the Americas. The Panama (edit : or El Daríen) makes for a neatly defining border.
The echoes of Rome are still being heard
plus one italian navigator
As a Peruvian. I know for sure that all this history is only knowing by 0.1% of all our people. I think the only hope for us in South America is improving education and make it more accessible. Because parents with 3 children and a salary of 700usd combine is not enough to give a "good education" to 3 children.
700usd? Are you rich? xD
La mayoría suele ganar menos de 500 dólares, a menos que tengas un buen trabajo
It is pointless if the state keeps intervening in the economy to hold their monopolies, money laundering operations and populist bullshit, if there are no jobs available your degree is just a worthless piece of paper. Latin American countries need fucking reforms! Economic one's!
@@jgxrt988 se refiere a 700 combinado entre los dos padres, osea un salario de 450 dólares o algo de 1500-2000 soles mensuales que es mas factible
Didn't got nothing from the video? Those parasitic elites will never do anything that treat they position of power. Revolutions will also only change the rules. Education is already more accessible, using the internet, it's up to the individual to search for it. Depending on parasitical elites to instruct their slaves how to free themselves is delusional.
"- I hate communi...
- State mandated Inca girlfriend.
- Long live Marx."
Makes you wonder why all the incels are right wing.
@@williammagoffin9324
I don't think they are.
Hostility and bitterness toward women does not obey political compass tests
I wonder if this system was 1. a system of sexual slavery, or 2. a primitive form of dating app
@@williammagoffin9324 idk man, left-wing men aren't exactly husband material.
@@EvilDickism Right-wing: Grab 'em by the pu**y.
Left-wing: Seize them by the means of reproduction.
I can predict a rant about Brazil and failed potential.
that’s practically the only thing us brazilians can agree upon: our country sucks (overall)
Cuba is the biggest waste of potential
@@tatertots0046 cuba never had potential
@@lucasivanov7824 I do not agree. There are problems, but there are places much worse to be in. Once met an Italian living in Brazil who said that Brazil is far from being as bad as Brazilians and international mainstream paint.
Mega bio diverse nation with a stable 220 million population size that has the Amazon rainforest, fertile land, ethnic diversity, mass resources and is the powerhouse of South America. Brasil still has major potential.
"Uruguayan Empire"
All the Argentinians desperately wanting to move into Uruguay: Oh god yes please
hahaha, I chuckled a bit at that, but I hope Uruguay keeps improving and that Argentina becomes more stable.
u r guay
Mercosur but not being run by Foro de Sao Paulo
I cannot see any future where Brazil would submit to any other country in Latin America, but maybe that's shortsighted of me
That will be a all mighty empire that will conquer the world😝😝😝😝
One thing you forgot to mention is that Brazil had a very different early independence age than the rest of the continent, it was a monarchy rather than a republic which in a way helped the country keep political stability, early independent Brazil was kind of a local powerhouse compared to the rest of the continent and I would argue would continue being had it not overthrown it's monarchy honestly
We got a monarchist here, guys LOL
Na verdade é até hoje
The problem is that americans don't understand monarchy is better than a republic, and they try to force their inferior political model on us. Spoiler: it never works anywhere outside their own country (even there it isn't working anymore)
In Latin America, schools teach geography so that when the time comes, people can choose which country they'll escape to!
True AF
lol
Based
A fact!!! Regards from Polynesia!!!
That’s why they should stop breeding
At high-school, my Local History teacher (here in México) once told us that, if you wanna read a good tragic and horror story, - *slams course textbook* - you got read this
Hahaha
Has vistos los videos de Kraut de la frontera de Mexico-EEUU? Soy latino (no mexicano) y me da pena decir tomó un alemán que pinta bolitas de países para aprender sobre historia mexicana xd
@@adrianpena7792 creo que es australiano
@@lasilladelrincon9304 Kraut es alemán-galés
@@whitewolf8985 neta
1st World Countries going into economic crisis: How can we deal with being poor.?
Latin America: You merely adopted the poor, I was born in it, molded by it.
1st world countries: we can go and steal everything from Latin America and Africa, we are genius 🤡
I only saw the wealth when I was a democracy, and by then it was NATIONALISED!
Nah mate we are indigent, not even poor
I laughed out loud at this comment
I didn't see a single Light Bulb until It was already 1930! , by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING!
This makes me so sad. I love Latin American culture and people, their languages, their food, their music, and how warm and welcoming the people usually are. I really hope the situation gets better in this part of the world. Love from the USA ❤️
Me too! My dream is to visit all of Latin America! It’s so beautiful 😻!
Naw bro, their food may be good, but everything else about Latin culture sucks. I hope the area is recolonized by the west. Latin America becoming westernized will substantially improve standard of living and progress.
@@pixelfiend7292 not just food. music, traditions, languages and the people are very friendly. and that doesn’t make any sense, conquering an entire continent and then some just because you don’t agree with their culture is a very stupid and would be extremely costly for western powers. not to mention it would most likely reinvigorate western hate and would just destabilize the region once more, or make instability worse in the region.
Most of the languages such as Spanish, Portuguese, French come from Europe (Spain, Portugal, France) unless you’re talking about the Native languages. Most of the food comes from Spain & other European countries mixed in with some native influence & other.
@@pixelfiend7292What do you actually know about Latin America culture, colonizer? You sound like an immature loser, to be honest.
Miami is Latin American.....
*The balls on this man*
If it's not Latin America then what is it?
@@Account-jn7xu Cuban, meaning West Indian, hence Caribbean. See how we play the demonym game? In reality, Miami is multiethnic and multicultural, and definitely *American*
@@Account-jn7xu Miami is the love/hate child of Latin and Anglo America
Would Belize be considered part of Latin America too?
@@whiteboyswag3522 I got no reason for it to be not latin. Idk this mf made the map just to fak with us.
Someone: How does Latin America work?
Me (a Latin American): that's the neat thing, it doesn't.
**cries**
Good question!
It basically works as in the Board Game "Junta".
well i guess that unites us all lol?
@OHGAS you go to brazil and he gets the 9 milli
>tfw no state mandated Inca gf
We were born in the wrong era
Communism wasn't such a bad idea after all.
Well the incas didn’t really pick out a gf for each man, they allowed people to test out their relationship compatibility and both the man and women had the option to reject each other, but after they married, the government highly regulated the couples material output (textiles, crops, livestock, etc) & they weren’t allowed to divorce after they have their first child.
@@shiny_teddiursa Good system divorce is evil and destructive and selfish plain and simple i don't care if the parents can't take it anymore you have new humans to care about now too late sorry suck it up swallow your damn pride and be a good parent/partner.
@@JordanScottMills ...weirdo. Divorce reasons are highly situational and many times are due to a physically abusive & manipulative partner, not just for money or petty reasons. A child is better off raised by a single non-abusive parent than with an abusive couple.
@@shiny_teddiursa I like how i was talking about the parents marriage and you let your emotions take you to child abuse lmao. Nice ad hominem by the way. But yes continue to poison the well by talking about child abuse in spousal matters. Maybe make better life choices. Also we were speaking about a system where the government chose the couples. So nice job bringing in your modern white western morality to a centurys old foreign tradition.
You made a mistake here. All of Latin America was a white settler society. But rather than the English and French approach of simply segregating everyone, Iberians mixed with natives and africans.
What makes the cone different is that in countries like Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, and Chile 19th/20th century immigration changed the population dynamic.
The average Argentinian looked closer to other Latin Americans centuries ago. These countries also had relatively small populations to start with which made immigration change the dynamic very quickly.
All of Latin America had white settlers, the differences is how racial mixing was treated in our cultures vs in English colonies. British colonists were also for the most part crazy religious people with the god chosen people narrative in their heads.
They did not want to mix and wanted to keep pushing natives out while subjugating africans into a poor class that was separate .
Also while populists do exaggerate the role of the U.S to wash their hands of blame, the U.S supported many dictatorships in Central America and the Caribbean with the goal of exploiting the resources and people of the region.
The void left by the Spanish and Portuguese was filled by an equally imperialist United States.
We made two mistakes during the beginning of independence that the United Statesians and Canadians did not. One, we allowed ourselves to split into 1000 little pieces instead of facing the world as one united country. Two, we allowed the Catholic Church to have too much power and the rich landowners to maintain the power that the Spanish gave them. Separation of church and state and unity have alowed the United Statesians to do many great things. Their society that allows for upward mobility has done a lot too.
@David Garcia It is true that the french model was somehow a mix between the english and the spanish. but in general terms the french model is, as the english: a PREDATOR EMPIRE. that only becomes generator when has enough people to terminate the natives. the spanish model always was, as ancient ROME a GENERATOR EMPIRE. THUS, if not for napoleon and the british and french massonery that took over the Elites of the empire. HispanoAmerica would have stayed a UNITED STATE...maybe 2 or 3. (or course they would have subjugated or expell Spain as the US did with Britain). but having more than 20 states(some failed states¨) tells you how important was the geopolitics and the constant ataccks from the british empire first, and the american empire later. Hispano America is poor BECAUSE of the UNITED STATES AND GREAT BRITAIN. If they couldnt populated (generator model) they would extract as much as they could (PREDATOR MODEL).
Latin America sucks cause they race mixed lol as a “Hispanic”
Latin America wasn’t white if the whites and natives mixed then spread.
@@philomelodiano it hasn’t separation of church and state has allowed foreign cults to infiltrate
1. Be born
2. Parents tell you you’re special and it’ll be alright
3. *see your Latin American country*
4 xd’nt
Zoomer bad grammar humour ahahahaha so edgy
@@justingeneral3078 it’s Latin American humor, I live in mexico
@@flexican5399 somos latinos, merecemos ser basura.
O al menos eso es lo que dice la satira y el shitpost....
@@Conejoazul2018 si we, si we, lo piensas tanto
Solamente es xd’nt, lo agarre de esos void meme
@No. Body los vídeos de “void memes” asi se llaman, y ps el “we” es wey. 🤔 alch, tu no sabes
I would like to make a little correction; Slavery wasn't encouraged by the Spanish crown, it was rather the landowners who did that illegally. This makes sense since the Spanish monarchy has always been really Catholic, and as the Church didn't approve these atrocities, the Spanish crown wouldn't either. (These applies to Native Americans, the situation with African slaves was more complex and as far as i know slavery was allowed with them, you can correct me).
And fun fact, these landowners where pursued by the Spanish Inquisition.
Edit: This applies to the Hapsburg's, not to the Bourbons. The Bourbons were the ones to establish a caste system which encouraged the least favoured to revolt and develop revolutionary ideas. If this didn't happen i don't know what would have happened, but it must be admitted that the Spanish Empire had a surprisingly good cohesion and probably would have lasted for many more years.
Yes. The clergymen thought: poor indians they work as slaves even though they praise Jesus and all. Hey, let's import some africans so indians don't have to suffer
@@Only.D.G. its worth noting they started the slave trade because they assumed all the slaves on the west african market were POWs or criminals then there was too much momentum when they found out they were wrong.
@@jonahworledge111 Yes, it was a mess. But nowhere malicious as it is taught
@@Only.D.G. stop powdering up slavery
Relax
Yeah actually in all latin america was like this, but the crown doesn't had the power nor the money to influence landowners at some point maybe Habsburgs had but they just ignore latin america to finance their wars in Europe
coming from south america, it was shocking to find out at age 20 that the west doesn't consider us a part of them, while we have always considered ourselves, and russia, part of it.
We should make our own group
I found out when I was 14, and it made sense to me lol Because, a year prior, I looked at Germany, Britain and the US, and I thought: "Why are those countries so much more developed than South America? Does it have something to do with our laws and culture?"
I no longer consider Latin America a part of the West, maybe I'll if it develops
@@danielimmortuos666 laughs in underdeveloped poor western country
there is this illusion that western civilizations can't be poor, so Russia and Latin America can't be considered western, because western = rich, no matter the culture, history or language of the people
@@danielimmortuos666 no the west is basically none Catholic and none othrodox and none Muslim which is why Turkey isn't even considered part of the west and why many Europeans don't consider Spain, Portugal and Greece white
Hi, i am from argentina, 90% of what you said is so wrong that is quite difficult to get into why.
You should try to read latinamerican literature (history and economics) that is actually writen by latinamericans in latinamerica rather than going with what wikipedia or "statista" or the IMF or the world bank, or american and british authors have to say
In my experience anglosaxon historians are almost always wrong not just in interpretations but in the pure registry of the facts
Talca, Chile reporting in... never thought I would see my little provincial capital city on a map in one of your videos. Made my day. Thanks for this video!
wena ctmre!!!!!
Wenas
wenardísimo
Cheers from another fellow "Talquinian"
wena, rancaguino aca
one word: C O R R U P T I O N.
Y poca educacion
La corrupción no es el problema, solo es el resultado de varios factores
@@xteminadorx001 resultado de que?
@@xteminadorx001 literal el video dice que es culpa de la corrupción la cultura de la corrupción existe porque nunca pudimos ver más haya del sistema aristocrático que existía en españa pero como dice en el video no es solo la corrupción es la falta de que se cumpla la ley en todos los otros ámbitos si no hubiera habido corrupción no estaríamos tan mal pero no progresamos porque no nos industrializados
@@xteminadorx001 Con los datos del 2016 al año Peru pierde 12600000000 de soles o 3210962531 USD, por corrupcion. Asi que no se a que te refieres de que la corrupcion no es el problema, no es el unico problema pero si es un problema muy grande.
Latin America: The middle brother of the world.
The cultural region of Guyana (Guyana, Suriname and French Guyana) is the middle middle child, seeing as it wasn’t even included in this vid
@@kaspervletter290 My understanding is they are generally considered Caribbean on the British/Dutch/French side which isnt really latino which is usually limited to Spanish and Portuguese descended nations.
We inherited many things from Spain, among them "burocracy" and "corruption" , spanish galeons had two ship logs; one with the true cargo (that included the contraband) and the other that they presented to customs
Me gustaría saber en que libro de historia anti-españa leíste esa estupid3z 👀
As a latin American (Brazilian, which is the odd one out of the latins), I say that the day latin America starts working, is the day the USA has already left to colonize Mars
Get rid of colorism.
aklsjdalkdaj Nunca tinha pensado nessa, muito boa!
@Michol 0515 Brazil is not that bad, i mean numbers are pretty bad but in reality it isnt. Just avoid big cities like Rio and São Paulo, you wont miss much anyway.
@doomslayer420 Afghanistan isnt in middle east it is in central asia
@Michol 0515 not all of Brasil is crime or homicide, almost all of those cases are in the north east states and in favelas of Rio and São Paulo, south states for example are considered more european than brazillian states because they are way more safe and developed than other states, center east is also not bad with the states being peaceful and north states are indigenous natives from the Amazon, also its not like you walk on streets and imediatelly get robbed or shot
As a Latin American, I do agree with most of this video, although, you still get some things wrong, I'd say this is one of the best videos in English about my region.
could you recommend bet ones in spannish? I would be interested to learn more on the subject
@@patrickanquetil7937 Not in spannish, but this one is pretty good: ruclips.net/video/SPs6tjXsf7M/видео.html
@@patrickanquetil7937 My favorite one is "Hispanidad: Lo que no nos contaron en el colegio" from Fortunata y Jacinta. Other one that I like is "contra la leyenda negra en América" by Academia Play. I also recommend most videos of Brigada Antifraude too.
Other ones that I like are videos that are much more long and academic oriented like "Los movimientos de independencia hispanoamericanos" from Fundación Gustavo Bueno. So, if you are looking for videos similar to this one, I recommend the ones in the first paragraph.
@@edwunges5397 Thank you! I ll check it out
@@patrickanquetil7937 If you want a counterbalance to all that white legend-spanish revisionism recommended by @Edwunges see this one: ruclips.net/video/jZ1ho_w6GpM/видео.html
latin america is one of the most forgotten regions of the world
CIA: am ia joke to you
It's more present for us because we're latin americans, but yes, latin america is the most forgotten region in the world. Mainly because we didn't deal with to much international conflicts. The exception is the Malvinas Islands War.
@@kinkaju well at least i know more latin american countries than african ones
@@kinkaju That would be Falklands.
@@generaln.gabriel1240 There are a lot less of them to memorize
@@jossland1628 Let's go with the neutral "Southern Islands Conflict" ;)
This is a pretty good attempt at explaining Latin American history and most of the video was pretty correct except most countries never really had a caste system. The casta paintings that are assumed by many to be a code of law, are actually just novelty paints done by Europeans visiting. Especially given they were fascinated by the racial diversity and integration of the new world.
@Jamel Carpenter he told you no he told you yes, we're at an impass
By caste he means slavery feudalism, not an ethnic caste or whatever people might associate with India
@@alanbudde8560 but asumptions about said paintings had nothing to do with that, im speaking in context of the paintings being used as an implication of an ethnic caste system, not an economic class system which we can all agree for sure exsisted as it did in nearly all empires of that time. Also the original caste system many compre to other fuedal systems, was a more divided and exclusive than a class system. The original ancient caste system was both based on class plus the inter-ethnic devides of ancient central Asia.
there were not de facto or de jure caste here, no called ever someone a castizo or other weird crap, that just usean racism.
"At its birth, Mexico couldnt tell if it was an abortion or not" 18:09
As a Mexican, I experienced physical recoil when I heard that
the dead pan delivery makes it only more hilarious, hope youre doing well Pablo!
@@captainalex157 thank you spider man :)
@@pabloarellano5485 Did you recoil because you felt that "it hurts because it's true" or because you felt it was false?
its obviously true , i dont think theres a national identity in Mexico since its birth
@@jeffbenton6183 it’s the same as jumping in surprise when someone tells you the early Roman Empire was military incompetent
When you drew the comparisons between Latin America and Late Rome it lead me to recall how it took Europe half a millenium to really reorganize itself in a way that functioned halfway decent, and that for Latin America they've had less than 2 centuries
I think it was pression, things down here are calm, accommodated and don't change at all, no pressure for change, but Europe was being invaded and attacked all the time, so you couldn't just stand and don't do anything, you had to improve constantly .
@@lore9828 You raise an excellent point, feudal europe was rife with conflict to reform it but south america is shockingly peaceful internationally
This is a really interesting point actually. I haven't heard this reason anywhere else, but really, it's just another good reason on top of the 2048830202 others. This region has a lot going against it when it comes to its functionality in the modern world.
@@AmariFukui @Lore I'm kinda on the fence about that one. Plenty parts of latin america are rife with conflict within national borders. By that logic shouldn't those places have prioritized innovation to outcompete others for decades?
@@gabagool...not_italian... Not unless they can become powerful enough to threaten the established order, if anyone gets wealthy or influential enough they can be killed or robbed of their fortune, so long as the military is paid well and the civilian population unaware of a viable alternative the system is stagnant
Compounding this issue is the fact that anyone who may have the guts to shake up the system would rather flee to a country where hard work is rewarded than stay and fight for their own, it's difficult to blame them for this because its what anyone would do if given the choice
El gringo nos mencionó, se come bien hoy gente
El habla de riqueza económica pero no sabe que la riqueza cultural de America Latina es infinita!
@@bomega2818 Si pero eso no se come. Latinoamérica necesita mas empresarios, economistas, financistas, ingenieros, profesionales en tecnología y gente emprendedora. Muchos de nuestros presidentes son gente sin educación que pudre la mentalidad promedió. Es hora de cambiar y promover la educación y el poder de soñar grande.
Você tbm é gringo kkkk
@@blazekaizer9000 No soñaran en grande (en logros para bien comun)..sino sueñan en ser mas grande que los demas en dinero y poder .. . ese es el problema
@@blazekaizer9000 Más que jugar un juego ajeno... tenemos que crear el nuestro propio
I lived in Uruguay for a long time, now in England.. trust me I would do anything to go back to Uruguay
Whatifalthist: does a video on LATAM
Latin viewers: *a yes, our time has come*
execute order 66
Yes my brother finnally
@Renan_PS yes but we have to understand what makes us like this to change. I think that the way our local historians write things like we are victims or we are the best thing ever, makes it hard to really understand what are our real problems. here in Paraguay they don't really want see the our national heroes as bunch of idiots. Mcal. Lopez was megalomaniac that destroyed the country because he thought he was Napoleon. but not even napoleon could with all the Europe against him. Lopez could just use diplomacy and played it safe, and not go total war and fight all three countries at once. he could of surrender in the first mayor battle and negotiated something before losing everything and more.
@@MrWilliamwright honestly, that's true. The ear of the triple alliance was just bloody debauchery. 90% of all males in Paraguay died if I do recall.
Its honestly something I'm deeply ashamed of as an argentinian, while hearing all presidents talk about all of us being basically brothers from another nation.
As a Uruguayan I’m just happy to see Uruguay talked about In any video lmfao
But he said uruguay and chile always had democratic goverments and thats a reason why they are more succesful. I mean wtf he didn't even research which countries had military coups??
Uruguay es increible. saludos desde Arg
Ur gay
@@nadoo04 Chile had the wrost military goverment
Lol
This man talks with a lot of confidence and also inserts his own thoughts on behalf of Latin Americans with certainty that they would think like him. While the video introduces some valid and interesting points, it is a rather simplistic take on history with overarching assumptions and some unsubstantiated claims.
To be honest I doubt anyone could get a proper indepth analysis in just 30 minutes
as a venezuelan, i completely agree with this man
Venezuelans voted for Chavez democratically to begin with (the 1st time, not afterwards), who publicly claimed he wanted a dictatorship and a lot of them came out of the ordeal none the wiser, arriving to the most pedestrian of conclusions: "communism is bad". I don't like communism either but saying that people here (in my country) would want to be like the US is terribly wrong. People here look towards Denmark, New Zealand, you can see this during electoral campaigns and law reforms being promoted. The US is not any better than the place I live in. You have higher wages, but less access to health care, education, housing, and basic goods overall, and it’s usually spoke of with certain disdain by a lot of people.
@@rosesugarman1372 tambien pasa en chile, hubo un gobierno socialista (allende) que lo boicoteó estados unidos y los poderes economicos locales y todos dicen "el comunismo es malo" "el comunismo no funciona"
PUM, nos chantaron la dictadura de pinochet desde ee.uu y varios miles de muertos, y ahora chile es el país más "prospero de la region" pero el 10% de la población tiene ingresos desde los 13mil dolares al mes vs un sueldo minimo de 420 dolares
la historia es "si yo me como 2 panes y usted ninguno , en promedio cada uno se comió un pan". no hay basicamente salud ni educación publica y si lo propones te tildan de comunista
@@xflofyx pero el comunismo no funciona pues. Más aún: por doctrina explota el odio, estimula el totalitarismo y no crea riqueza. Y las versiones hispanoamericanas son además racistas porque usan al indígena como objeto político. Estos progres no entienden.
The mighty Uruguayan empire killed me, great video. Im from Uruguay and I have to say you nailed it on the video. I think the only way to understand the south is to be born in the south and it takes a lot of bureaucracy to just understand that you are confused, and blame it on the yankee.
I visited Uruguay in 2011. Nice place, friendly people.
no culpo a los gringos sin motivo, los culpo por unos pocos 2k de trabajadores en 1929 una alta probabilidad de haber matado a la esperanza de este país (Jorge Eliecer Gaitán) por tener toda una compañía colonial en las costas de mi país y toda Centroamérica y el caribe (la UFCO los mismos hp que hicieron la matanza de las bananeras) habernos robado el canal de Panamá 2 veces (prácticamente crearon los movimientos de independencia panameños para debilitar a Colombia y tener un títere del cual robaron el canal) todo lo del plan condor y las dictaduras por el sur el constante apoyo a grupos militares y otros hptas
I do a lot of reading and content on Mesoamerican history and I have some clarification and correction on what you brought up regarding the Conquest of Mexico. Firstly and most critically, is that Cortes getting alliances with local city-states and kingdoms against the Aztec was more an example of those states wanting to opportunistically improve their own political standing, and less an example of wanting to be free of oppression or tyranny. The Mexica of the Aztec capital were expansionistic warmongers, for sure; but in terms of actual imperialistic control and administration of their conquered subjects and vassals, they were extremely hands off. Large Mesoamerican states in general tended to avoid direct management and control over their subjects, probably due to the lack of beasts of burden, but even compared to the larger Classical Maya dynasties, the Zapotec kingdom headed by Monte Alban, or the Purepecha Empire; the Aztec Empire was even LESS prone to doing things like deposing/replacing rulers, establishing colonies, razing infrastructure or interfering with local administration.
If Aztec armies arrived at your doorstep, and you submitted or even if you fought back and then lost, most of the time you're only obligations would be to pay taxes of economic goods, provide military aid on request, not block roads, and to put up a shrine to the Mexica patron god of Huitzilopochtli. You otherwise kept your rulers, laws, and customs and got mostly left alone. Slaves/sacrifices weren't common as tax/tributary demands either: We have a number of surviving documents showing the tax obligations of subject states and tributary proviences and the demands were overwhelmingly stuff like Gold, Jadeo, Cacao, Fine Feathers, Pottery, Warsuits, etc. Very few subjects had obligations of providing slaves (though slaves being offered by a defeated city as an intial one time compensation/spoils for being conquered wasn't uncommon; but that was normal in Eurasia too and , again, subsequent regular tax payments of slaves was rare) and slaves in Mexica society had a fair amount of rights and couldn't be sacrificed on a whim, at least on paper (most sacrifices were enemy soldiers). Obviously, this was not universally true: Unruly cities or towns occasionally had military governor appointed over them, or garrsion colonies established nearby to dissuade rebellion (though there's some disagreement by researchers on the exact function of these), and in extreme cases, especially for cities which incited others to stop paying taxes, might be razed or have their inhabited killed/sold into slavery, and then repopulated by families from Tenochtitlan or other core Aztec cities. But these were not the norm.
It is precisely because Aztec political administration relied on hands off, indirect methods of establishing political influence (like tributary/vassal relationships, the implied threat of military force, flaunting dynastic ties to prior legendary kings and civilizations like the Toltec or their lavish capital city and it's economic network to arrange strategic political marriages or court states into becoming willing vassals for trade benefits/protection, etc) rather then direct mangement that Cortes got allies: It wasn't because they were oppressively, it was because they WEREN'T: The fact that subjects were effectively independent (and indeed, could have their own subjects: The Aztec Empire and a lot of other large Mesoamerican states were less "empires", and more complicated webs of dominant/subservient political relationships) meant they retained their own ambitions and the ability to act of their own volition, and enabled opportunistic secession and rebellions. It was basically tradition for far-off subject provinces to stop paying taxes whenever a new Mexica king stepped up, not as a serious attempt to escape Aztec influence, but to test the new emperor and see what they could get away with, and likewise the new emperor would customarily re-conquer those areas to make them pay taxes again. The one time the new Mexica ruler, Tizoc, failed at this and subsequent campaigns in the first few years as emperoror, the whole house of cards fell as respect for Aztec power (which was, again, more about the perception of power then any real hard adminstrative ability) collapsed and eventually Tizoc was probably assassinated by the Mexica nobility to prevent further loss of influence: As is his successor, Ahuizotl, got ghosted at his own conronation ceremoney by foreign kings, a major faux pass considering even rulers of states at war would usually attend festivals even when their own soldiers were being sacrificed.
When you look at Cortes's expedition from this perspective, it becomes painfully obvious how and why he got allies: Beyond border provinces stopping paying taxes whenever a new Mexica ruler came to power; another very common attempt at geopolitical flexing in Mesoamerican was a subject of a given capital pledging themselves as a subject or as an ally to another power, and then both working together to overthrow that current capital in a time of political flux, or to conquer and topple a bunch of other states: In a hands off political system where subjects got mostly left alone anyways, you have little to lose by doing this; and you get in a position of higher political standing in the new kingdom you helped prop up. This was how the Aztec Empire itself was founded, when Texcoco and Tlacopan allies/pledged themselves to Tenochtitlan and the 3 overthrew their current capital of Azcapotzalco when that city had a succession crisis, and it's EXACTLY what happened with Cortes against Tenochtitlan a century later:
Note how of the states which provided armies during the siege of Tenochtitlan, ONLY Tlaxcala (which wasn't even an Aztec subject, but an independent kingdom the Aztec Empire had been slowly surronding and increasingly invading to conquer it) joined forces with Cortes prior to the outbreak of smallpox in Tenochtitlan, the death of Moctezuma II, the massacre of the Mexica nobility and elite soldiers while unarmed during the Toxcatl festival; and the defeat of the ensuing ad-hoc Mexica army during the battle of Otumba: All the other allies Cortes got, from Texcoco, to Huextozinco to Xochimilco to Chalco, etc; only allied with him AFTER the city was ravaged by diseases, the king and it's elite soldiers were dead, and they lost a battle against a fleeing Tlaxcaltec army and a band of foregn invaders: In other words, after Tenochtitlan and the Mexica were vulnerable and suffered from losses and injuries that eroded influence in their ability to project force and demand respect, when it was geopolitically advantageous for local states to join Cortes and the Tlaxcaltec. You even see these states give Cortes and high ranking Conquistadors princesses from their royal families as attempted political marriages, though these were misinterpreted as gifts of Concubines. Even Moctezuma letting Cortes and the Tlaxcalteca into Tenochtitlan makes perfect sense with this in mind: This was a small band of foreigners numbering in the hundreds, who themselves had been almost beaten by the Tlaxcalteca (whom the Mexica had been slowly wearing down for decades and by this point were on their last legs), to deny them entry would be a major faux pass when as noted, providing entry and safety to foreign emassieries was a big deal in Mesoamerican diplomacy, and moreover, it would be seen as a massive act of cowardice to do so, one that would undermine faith in Aztec military power to do so. Likewise, this explains why OTHER Conquistador expeditions over the next few decades continued to make alliances with local states: If it was really about Aztec impralism being so brutal, then Spain wouldn't have the Zapotec kingdom of Tehuantepec helping them defeat their rival Mixtec kingdom of Tututepec; or the Iximche Maya aiding them against the Kiche, etc: This was just how Mesoamerican politics and warfare worked.
None of this is to say that the Mexica of Tenochtitlan were beloved or well liked, they were still militaristically expansionistic, by far the biggest kid on the block and threw their weight around, and nobody likes the person they pay taxes too, but oppressive, tyrannical, or brutal to their subjects they really weren't, and their downfall had much more to do with the way Mesoamerican politics worked then anything exceptionally onerous they did with their subjects (since they really didn't)
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This is also why I take issue with the comparsion to centralized Bronze Age states: I admit I know, well, next to nothing about the political adminstration of Bronze Age civilizations, but as I explained, large Mesoamerican states tended to be more complicated networks of dominant and subservient relationships, political marriages, alliances, etc which were heavily fluid and dynamic with states attempting to coup, backstab, and subvert one another as the situation allowed for it. (I'd also argue technologically speaking Mesoamerican civilizations were also ahead in a few ways, but that's it's own convo) By extension, I also think that the video, and education about the conquest in general, is FAR to emphasizing on Conquistadors, when most of the time the ball was actually in the court of their local allies. Sure, you mention that local allies provided a lot of troops, but the map as shown at 4:12 and a lot of what you say really I think overemphasizes them (and oversimplifies just the sheer amount of different states and campaigns that went on: The fall of Tenochtitlan in 1521 was just the start) quite often it was the rulers and generals of Tlaxcala, Texcoco, etc which were actually calling the shots and manipulating Conquistadors into doing what they wanted: Cempoala, the captial of one of 3 major kingdoms of the Totonac civilization, tricked Cortes into helping them raid their rival capital of Tzinpantzinco, by claiming there was an Aztec fort there. After this, the Totonaca led Cortes into hostile Tlaxcalteca territory, either to test or be rid of them, where they then got assaulted, the Tlaxcalteca then winning, only to stop when the Tlaxcalteca rulers realized they could use the Conquistadors against the Mexica. En route to Tenochtitlan, they stop in the city of Cholula, and many researchers now believe that the infamous Cholula massacre was orchestrated by the Tlaxcalteca by feeding Cortes information, as it just so happrens in the aftermath the Tlaxcalteca prop up a new poilitical adminstration there which allies with Tlaxcala, after Cholula had recently switched allegiences from Tlaxcaltec to Aztec in the years prior. There's many more examples of this I can give: Not only did Tlaxcaltec, Texcoca, etc armies do most of the actual fighting for the Spanish, they were also the ones moving things along: Ixtlixochtli II and Xicotencatl I/II were just as or more critical then Cortes.
There were also a lot more then just 600 Conquistadors who partook in the Cortes expedition, on that note: While at no single point where there more then a few hundred to a few hundred over 1000 Conquistadors; Cortes recieved additional men at numerous points of the expedition, such as when Panfilo de Narvaez's force was sent to arrest him for treason but was then convinced by him to join him instead. The total amount of Conquistadors across the expedition, IIRC, was over 3000, but even this was dwarfed by the amount of allied forces: Many researchers believe that there were at or even over 200,000 soldiers from Tlaxcala, Texcoco, Huextozinco, Xochimilco, Iztapalapa, Chalco, Mixquic, etc. I also do not think that steel armor or weapons was as big a factor as you imply: Most Conquistadors could not afford metal armor and did not have it: Most had gambeson, which was effectively the same sort of armor mid to high ranking Mesoamerican soldiers themselves had. with Ichcahuipilli, Tlahuiztli, Ehuatl, etc. And even the Conquistadors which DID have metal armor often abandoned it due to the climate and adopted Mesoamerican armor instead!. And if both parties are wearing gambeson, a steel sword or a obsidian lined macuauitl are going to be doing comparable amounts of damage: the main difference there is of durability, but while the Macuahuitl, Tepoztopilli, etc will break faster then a Spanish sword or lance; the Mesoamerican forces also HAD armories and established infanstructure to pull from, wheras the Conquistadors had dwindling supplies. I think the biggest technological advantages the Conquistadors had were calvary (as you say) and cannons: These allowed the Conquistadors to blow holes in Mesoamerican battle lines and formations not designed to deal with those things; but even then they required a much more numerous allied Mesoamerican army's infanstry to swoop in and exploit the chaos they brought, and within a few battles Mexica forces came up with countermeasures.
I also think you are overstating the impact of diseases, a bit. Do not get me wrong, diseases are a MASSIVE factor in the long run, but a lot of the figures and information you give, such as 90% mortality rates, occur over the course of almost a century, not instantly within the context of the Cortes expedition, the collapse of the Aztec Empire, etc. The outbreak of Smallpox in Tenochtitlan was a turning point that enabled Cortes to make further alliances which would be criticial in their success, as well as to weaken the Mexica to be able to be beaten, but that initial smallpox epidemic, while ravaging Tenochtitlan, "only" killed maybe 20% of Mesoamerica (or maybe just Central Mexico, some of the demography diagrams and papers are a little vague with what they count, something I need to look into) over it's decade long course. What it DID do was, thanks to allowing Tenochtitlan to fall, give Spain the impetus to have a base of operations, manpower with their allied states and the many (though not all) Aztec subjects which now ceded to Spanish authority, local resources, etc to launch further campaigns from, which were then successful due to diseases destablizing many political systems and states and enabling further instances of states allying with Spain to take out their now unprepared political rivals. But the 90% death rate was gradual and happened because the continued Spanish presence and occupation, combined with the warfare, population displacements, drops in sanitation standards (Spain literally banned bathing by native people because they did it so much, some conquistadors even thought that the smallpox was FROM them bathing so often) led to multiple, continued outbreaks. While not in Mesoamerica, studies in the Andes/Peru have shown that populations there amde intial rebounds from outbreaks, it was only the repeated outbreaks and stressors from Spanish Imperalism that continued to wear populations down past point of recovery. Keep also in mind that all throughout the 1520's, 30's, 40's, 50's, etc; there were continued campaigns and conflicts between Conquistadors, Mesoamerican states, their allies; etc. Most maps and textbooks will act as if Spanish control over most of Mexico was done by the 1530's, when in reality many areas were not pacififed or conquered for decades or in some cases centuries later: The last Maya city-state only fell in 1697.
Lastly, and this is more minor, I have issues with the images you use: the one famous painting showing the SIege of Tenochtilan across the causeway at 4:25, or the "Storming of the Teocalli" at 4:35, etc are really inaccurate. The Pierre Joubert painting at 7:27, is, while not as off, still problematic with how the buildings are unpainted and unfurnished and with the big headdresses. For accurate images of Aztec cityscapes, clothing, etc, I'd reccomend looking up Scott and Stuart Gentling's paintings; Kamazotz/Zotzcomic's art, Angus Mcbride's work of Aztec warsuits; Rafael Mena'a art, and OHS688's art (though be aware some of his work is anthro/furry).
You should try to do videos about this topic since there are a lot of missconceptions about this topic even for Latinamericans.
@@MajoraZ Well, the Aztec Empire was more like the Roman Republic before the War with the Allies, or the Holy Roman Empire.
Jesus Chris, the length of the comment. Didn't read it all, but I would gladly use this knowledge on a test
Probably the biggest comment I ever read in a video 😂
Could I as some references? It's a Topic that I'm really like, and I would love to read more about it!
Latin American and historian here. You got some points right, although you got many others wrong since it is difficult for those from the Global North to approach Latin American history without analyzing it from their own experiences and concepts that do not always apply to Latin America. This is something that historiography is being really careful about since it realized such analysis didn't get the true nature of how things were and are.
Now, I want to say this: Latin America is Western. A peripheral part of the western world, but still western. We have the same Western systems of government and organization. Our culture is a culture derived from Europe being Latin America former Latin European colonies after all. Ethnically it is very diverse, but white Latinos are still the majority ethnic group in the Southern Cone.
The only reason why people from the Global North forget or deny Latin America as a Westerner is because they have preconceptions but every person who comes here ends up realizing that this is the West too. I know many people who after living or visiting Latin America they realized this is a ignored part of the western world.
As a last point I will say that despite everything, Latin America does not suck so much. I am Argentine and I live excellently here, I would never migrate.
Dare I say, not all of South America is Latin American, and not all of Latin America is contained within South America. Such an overarching demonym belies its heterogeneity.
I am Brazilian and i would never migrate too
I would disagree on the basis that Latin America lacks the capability to support a productive economic society and still relies on aristocratic designs lacking a functional aristocracy, it operates more like Russia, except way less organized, and nobody considers Russia as part of the Western world, culture does not define being a westerner, seems a lot of people here have been misunderstanding that, when we refer to a western nation, its not about where they derive their culture from, if it did, France, Britain, Australia, the US, Canada, and Spain don't share anything that compares a common culture or society which means they lack a distinct capability to be considered western if you use that metric to measure any specific one. But they do share a common basic principle of economic and socio-political designs which derive from a western manner of thought, for which Latin America has never picked up on, and for which nations like China and Russia have also never picked up on, you could debatably consider Japan and Korea sometimes in that sphere, however because their economic and socio-political designs derive power still from a illusionary autocracy and independence in society isn't considered a public virtue, that puts them on a strange rich and non-corrupt version of autocracy.
Not me, I would gladly leave Argentina to a place where you can at least go around the streets an night without fear of getting shot for your wallet or phone. Also having no cult of personallity and a predictible economy without near 50% annual inflation woul be nice.
@@nazarenoperezpelicon947 I have lived during my life in three big cities and I never got robbed. Oh course in the main cities like Buenos Aires is not like that, but that happened in most of main cities of the world.
And if people really want to change something better would be do something not migrate and do anything.
I don't think you can describe the Reconquista as the Christian Kingdoms colonising the southern Muslim ones. That's like saying the Indians colonized the British by reconquering their territory. The indigenous iberians and germanic migrants have been there long before the Arab expansion.
It's far more complex than just that though. Islam and Arab cultured at that point was deeply infused with Southern Iberian culture. Pogroms, expulsions of whole communities were rampant during the time period. Colonizing is fairly accurate representation taking that into regard.
I see your point, but what you're forgetting is that most of the time the Arabs are not like removing the indigenous peoples, it's not like the indigenous peoples were physically removed from Iberia, yes the elite were removed and replaced by Arab and Muslim elites but the locals were not evicted. On top of that, they had a vested interest in making Iberia wealthy. Muslim Iberia was had one of the Highest GDP's in the world during most of its time in power. especially after a few years, locals did not really see themselves as necessarily different from their leaders. People often converted by choice ( i am not saying that forced conversions never happened, they did, but this was more the exception to the rule then the norm, they also never happened at nearly the same rate as the Reconquista). Iberia was slowly being Arabized just like the rest of North Africa, while Egypt today is very much Muslim and Arab, this was not the case before the Arab invasion. Conversions and Arabization happened slowly. Modern studies have found that the genetics of Egyptians has not changed much since the Arab invasion we tend to think of it as the removal of the local peoples but this is not true. The locals slowly had their culture changed to a more Muslim and arab one over the span of 100's of years.
There was far more Andalusians than there were Britain’s in India
I mean Reconquista means literally to conquer it back
the muslims, arabs, moors etc have lived there for many centuries. A new culture and identity definitely developed.
24:23 I'm not communist or anything but I think you made a big mistake here. The USA goverment was largely involved in military coups across all Latin America, with a policy called the "Condor Plan", which was a detailed conspiracy to overthrow any left wing goverment with revolucionary ideas, even if it was elected in a democracy, in colaboration with local right wing politicians and land owners who were afraid of having their lands confiscated with the so needed agrarian reforms, all of this in the context of the Cold War and America not wanting another communist country like Cuba or any Soviet influence in the region. The methods varied, but it first consisted in economical sanctions and sabotages like insiting protests or revolts amongst diferent guilds and creating far right paramilitary groups to cause terror in rural regions in response to the communist guerrillas. Their last resource was always a military coup planned with the military forces of the country who were brainwashed with anticommunist thoughts during their foreign training with american troops in the School of the Americas, somekind of "convention" between different high ranking army officers from diferent countries to fight off the Soviet influence expansion under American interest. There were many CIA agents who carried out plans and instructed local troops and agents and have confesed over the years. After the coups were successfull, the American goverment often choose to stay away from the newly formed dictatorships to clean their hands from the brutal and horrible atrocities the regimes were doing against people at the time, but still supplied the dictatorships with weapons and logistical support, also sending agents to torture opossition leaders to confess information about their undrground leftist groups, even if the supposed leader was the wrong guy or an innocent person. All of this information was declassified by the American goverment itself, so I'm not making any of this up. Google it if you think I'm wrong. To this day, this is still something that divides people and provokes violence and several social or political problems in our countries. Latin America was used as a battlefield for the power struggle between the US and the USSR for years while the local populations were suffering from brutal dictatorships and communist guerrillas but nobody cared since they just acted with their own interests. Even if you mention some of the things they did in certain parts of the video, the way you say that the CIA and the US has been given too much credit for the things that have occured here might spread misinformation and could be harmful to the people who has lost their family members and literaly don't know where their bodies even are. If you wonder why there is so much hatred towards the US in the continent, you shoulds think more about what happened during that time, and why nobody in the north of the ecuator cares or has tried to bring the people responsable to justice.
(Too much text, I know).
on point
The training program for Contra Revolutionaries is called "School of the Americas" think they just changed name after it came out they trained "people" from the middle east.
Paragraphs, please. I like the first three lines but then the eyestrain was too much.
But to the point you stated, I agree, he severely downplayed American interventionism and the damage that has caused. If the intervention had been to uplift, that would have made a huge difference. But US intervention has been exploitative. We even did that to poor Haiti, up to the present day, and then blame it on the poor uneducated populace for their problems. But that justification has always been the refuge of exploiters Look at how the Clintons used Haiti in a time of one of its worst crisis.
Very cool on an unrelated note do you wanna go on a helicopter ride with me over the jungle?
I guess what he was getting at was that Latin America has always had problems with corruption and instability and the US didn't really create it, but simply took advantage of it. Do you think if the US didn't get involved there wouldn't be as much corruption and instability in Latin America?
4:10 Conquest
8:58 Colonial Society
18:12 Independent Latin America
21:31 Why is Latin America Soo Poor?
did he skip part 5? He finished with part 6 I think he skipped 5 with a typo
"Blessed are those who post timestamps..."
As a brazilian I know why the Latin America is poor: Corruption and drugs
There's more into that
funded by the united states of america
@@diorsavage7811 not everything Is about US's involvement
@@accent1666 a good portion was. the united states has history of interference with nations so they are able to remain the world power and turn into something they can benefit from. even to this day they like interfering with other countries problems if its in their interests. shit do yu really think mexico would have such a problem with its drugs and cartels if the united states didnt have a drug addiction problem ? lol you must be stupid to not see that. the united states isnt as perfect as you think buddy
@@diorsavage7811 i didnt say they are perfect, yes they interfered in Latin America, but right now they seem to happen less often and in minor scale compared to the 20th century
and i said that before because the US isn't responsible for even half of the misery, mostly it comes from the countries internally, divisions and juntas and lots of political drama
like the 40 years rule of the military during the half of the 19th century
Not gunna lie, one of my favorite parts about your latin american vids is going into the comments section and seeing all the latinos deciding to rip themselves a new one in some of the most witty and brutal self-deprecation humor I've ever seen. Like chill guys jesus lmao.
its due to the fact that this is where we are from and live. its important to know your history and educate yourself. its such a pity that to this day many people of different races see us as lesser than them. in this day of age ignorance is a choice, shi i know white folks are quick to call out when others bring back their history of slavery but its not a competition of whos race fuckd up the most in the past, yall gotta understand we people too and some suffer more just bc they were born in a place with little opportunity. why wouldn't it be taken personally?
We laugh to hide the pain
It's also because edgy, offensive and dark humour is still a thing in latin american communities innthe internet since the politically correct isn't as rampant in here.
Oh yes, the "sáquenme de latinoamérica" jokes, we love them, but they're serious at many pointa tho
@@nadie516 which joke?
I pray we can get it together and succeed after being held back for so long !
🙏🏽🇲🇽✝️
As a latinamerican historian, I'd say you got most things right. But I have to say, a few of your main concepts are heavily outdated in the Academy. You put too much emphasis on race rather than culture, and give the Iberians too much credit while on the other hand giving the Americans (USA) too little.
Look up for Operation Condor
can you share some books about this?
The USA funding the contras, destabilizing the economy of honduras when it was booming with bananas, etc.
They're Americans, they always think in terms of race
@@leoperez6737 A personnal favorite:
Eduardo Galeano's Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent (1971)
About the 'Banana Republics': Bitter Fruit: The Story of the American Coup in Guatemala, Schlesinger and Kinzer
Estados Unidos fue responsable por la mayoría de los golpes de estado en Sudamérica
22:45 "[...] countries like Argentina, that have what amounts to a perfect climate, some of the best soil in the world and a big river system and they still failed". I'm Argentinian and this is true. We know we have excellent conditions, but we don't seem to understand why we keep failing economically.
But this hasn't always been the case. Argentina fully gained its independence in 1816, but it wasn't until 1870 that the government solidified. In that year we started to put to practice more modern ideas, and free market. By the 1900s, Argentina was by far the most successful country in Latin America, and it was one of the richest countries in the world, matching USA GDP per capita.
Funny enough, these facts are never taught in schools. When I finished school I thought that Argentina had always been poor, and that the cause of that poverty was opression by the British and the US, or something like that. "Free market" is a bad word nowadays, and any idea that gets close to that gets qualified as "neoliberal", and it's automatically rejected.
People want a "present government", wich in their heads means high intervention to the economy (wich is true, but they see it as positive), more equality, less poverty, more sustainable development, more social benefits, more general wellbeing. They never mention high taxes, and I believe this is because they don't understand that a big government requires high taxes. Argentina has one the highest taxes in the world.
Furthermore, all governments have had fiscal deficit, wich means that the government spends more that it "gains" with taxes. This deficit needs to be paid either with public debt (wich translates to higher taxes in the future), or with devaluation of the national coin, wich translates to inflation. Inflation is a recurrent topic in Argentina. We just don't seem to understand basic principles of economy. All south America has a tolerant inflation, except Venezuela and Argentina. There are, right now, restrictions to the buying of dollars, and the price of the dolar is being artificially controled. They do this as a mean to "fight inflation", among other reasons.
The political spectrum is completely shifted towards the left. For us, "left" means comunism, and "right" means social democracy. Libertarianism is not even in the spectrum. The president before the one we have today was a bit less leftist than the previous one, but he was still left, or center-left, he increased taxes, he regulated the market even more, and so on, but he was still accused of "neoliberal". And the most popular party is basically nationalism plus socialism, and it's called "peronismo" (in reference to a president called "Perón", who ruled in 1946). If it was a bit more authoritarian and racist it would be plain fascism.
About the lack of wars you mention, I want to say that it is true, we don't have wars. But I would add that this is because we are very culturaly united, we see our neighbour countries as brothers and sisters, and we have a very strong cultural affinity. Besides Brazil, all countries speak spanish and we can understand each other. I wouldn't be surprised if in the next decades something like the "Latin American Nation", or at least, the "South American Nation" arised. I think it would be even easier that the emergence of the EU, because of these cultural affinities I mentioned. Although, I don't think it's going to be posible as long as Latin America has such an unstable economy in some countries; and I don't know if the creation of a "Latin American Nation" would be positive for the economy of the region.
You failed because your country is run by kleptocrats. In the late 1800s, the Argentinian state attempted to nationalise the beef industry, then when they got backlash for doing it, and a massive stock market crash (because no one wants to invest in somewhere that might nationalise their stuff) they sold it to the British. Where did that money go? The money that the government sold the biggest industry in the country for?
You'd think it'd go into the state treasury, but no.
I can't help but wonder why the Argentinian government is so intent on having the Fawklands/Malvinas when they're basically useless. Then you realise about this and the potentially justified dislike of the UK...
Glad to see someone that understands economics. Praying for your nation!
Excellent view point Federico! Estoy muy impresionado con su análisis y conocimiento sobre cómo América Latina podría establecerse como una entidad económica poderosa. Con el liderazgo adecuado, el futuro de América Latina podría ser muy brillante.
@@moritamikamikara3879 Argentina’s failure has much to do about who controls the monetary system. In the early 1900’s it was an economic power. The British colonialist realized this and attempted to dominate the country in the usual fashion through the banking system. The Argentines realized this increasing dependency and moved towards decoupling from the British banking stranglehold. Unfortunately economic independence has resulted in economic devastation which Argentina has yet to recover from despite its natural resource riches and geographical advantages. SAD!
Gracias,gracias y gracias,por fin un argentino menciona esto en este video.
As a Portuguese i can't accept there's no hope for Brasil, i have hope in Brasil and belive they can become a great nation, great men have tried and succeed, like Pedro II (very very underrated king in my opinion btw, probably one of the greatest human beings to have ever lived), i trust someone or a large group of people will eventually be able to make the dream of a strong Brasil a reality and I'll be rooting for them until the end.
Força Brasil.
Muito Obrigado 🇵🇹🇧🇷
Happy to know there are people rooting for us. Hopefully some day we can honor Dom Pedro II.
Sabe o que eu acho engraçado? Brasileiros parecem todos concordar que a monarquia foi o melhor tempo da nossa nação comparado com a República e eu acho isso fantástico, um dia nós iremos levantar a bandeira Imperial em Brasília irmãos. Ave Glória, Ave Império!
@@FeszVelry por mais que eu completamente concorde que o império foi o melhor governo, eu acredito que querer "voltar" pra uma monarquia é muito irrealistíco e também é um pensamento muito infantil de querer levantar a bandeira do império em Brasília.
@@phillipanselmo8540 Eu respeito sua visão, mas para mim governos centralizados com bons líderes são mais efetivos em muitos aspectos. Um império constitucional mas ainda democrático é uma solução mais do que viável.
Good perspective. Latin America is extremely difficult to describe. The food, the cultures, the “racial makeup”? the music and of course the history & politics. I am Latino and I can tell you that you hit some good points for someone not being from the culture.
Latino is a Roman your a mestizo
Not even a mention about the changes of the Bourbonic Reforms?
Sounds French
How long do you expect the video to be?!
@@FimiliarGalaxy9 It didn't need to be much longer to explain some basic stuff like the Bourbon Reforms. Also as an anglo he plays up race way too much.
@@PP-dz6gv ok you didn't watch it. It was explicitly said race had nothing to do with it. Although considering he left out the effects of Japanese immigration tells me he didn't play it up enough.
@@PP-dz6gv Where can I learn about this alternate narrative on race in colonial latin america? Because the narrative that whatifalthist provides is generally the one taught in (high)schools.
A lot of people might be tempted to blame Spain for our poverty after this video, but Spain herself has overtaken this problems and become a modern socialdemocracy with a market economy totally integrated into Europe.
We did inherit the ways from the Spanish empire, but it's our duty to change those policies and establish different institutions, great video btw.
Spain: the bank haven of Europe, up until 5 or 10 years ago.
Roughly 200 years have passed since the independence of many of the New World countries. Most of us are still looking for someone to blame for our misfortunes. We could have been trying to grow and compete to make our countries better for the next generation, but it hasn't been the case. It's our turn, what will we do now?
Indeed. They could have integrated into the greater American culture with the US but instead decided to keep blaming all their problems on the US.
In fact, Americas was way richer than the rest of the world under spanish rule. Extreme poverty and inequality came after independence. Por tu nombre creo que hablas español, yo soy colombiano y este tema me interesa mucho. Por esto, he tenido la oportunidad de leer algunas cosas acerca de la situación economica del imperio español y me he topado con información realmente impactante (por ejemplo, mexico y argentina eran más ricos que Londres y Milán en tiempos del imperio). Si deseas te puedo compartir estos estudios.
@@santiagoverbel1098 that's because they were considered part of Spain who took all their treasure lol
Latin America is more peaceful due to the fact that their cultural values are similar. they are less likely to come into conflict with each other as they are not going to have opposing religious groups striving for control.
Lack of border disputes and military strength does the rest.
@@stefangrobbink7760 and Uncle Sam is right at their doorstep
Sorry, but that is just a questionable statement. Latin America had its fair share of bloody wars after independence (e.g. The genocidal war against Paraguay in the 19th century), also uncountable civil wars and guerilla wars, some of which have even lasted right up until a couple of years ago. (E.g. The FARC in Colombia, who laid their arms in 2016 after 60 years of conflict)
Also demigraphic density and real geographical borders
This is a very untrue statement, there's a large cultural division even within countries, and in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries many bloody wars occurred both between countries and internally, in Brazil alone there was probably more than 10 separatist wars in less than a 100 years span, and those wars only really stopped in the 1930s. Latin America is just as culturally diverse as the US or Western Europe, and all of those groups came into conflict many times.
28:15 Colonial societies tend to become extreme forms of the societies that created them.
I remembered an anecdote that said a Medanese Chinese (chinese diaspora that lives mainly in Northern Sumatra, Indonesia) is more "chinese" than even the mainland Chinese. They were extremely proud of their heritage, have reputation to be business savvy (and in some cases have i-win, you-lose mentality in doing business) and hold on to antiquated chinese customs.
Their family structure remained clan-based, with an elder acting as the patriarch who decided important matters, even overruled a father's authority over his own children.
Here where I live in Brazil there are these things too, except they are with germans and italians of the first world war
"The CIA just watched from a distance"...LMFAO
Yeah thats too much sorry no. CIA take a major role of incentive and inteligence, not actually in the ground, in defense of the ytber. He goes soft on that so to not make much of a reaction.
Is funny how the author easily ignore the big role of CIA in making LA a backyard to USA.
Yea, as if Operation Condor wasn't a thing in which the US actively supported state terror that anyone can look up on Wikipedia.
@@SamieCarvalho that’s because it literally is
Did you just ignore what he said? God you actually feed right into his point, where you just blame the Americans as an easy scapegoat for your own problems
As a Chilean it feels so great to always see Chile in the "good indexes color" :)
With the new constitution... not for long
It'll last longer if ya take a screenshot
Similar with Uruguay, I hope it keeps improving :)
@@diegogalvan1110 llora. le vamos a poner un impuesto del 25% a cada libra de cobre extraída de suelo chileno y expropiaremos no solo los derechos de agua, tambien todas las mayores fortunas de este pais
@@gabrielcollstefoni7765 expropiar?? . Usted es el que llora aparentemente, yo solo apunto que la nueva constitución puede dejar a Chile como Argentina o peor. No soy de Chile, no me afecta, usted sera el que disfrutará de su increíble manejo y de la nueva pobreza, y después llorará. Yo, en cambio, estaré riendo al ver como de lejos el mejor, y más prospero país de LATAM exige voluntariamente su destrucción aún teniendo al estado fallido de Argentina al lado, y a Venezuela como otro ejemplo.
2:52 hoi4 devs: "write that down! write that down!"
We need a latin american expansion so it's actually played in the game
@@nicolaszan1845 Mexico had a unique Focus Tree added in Man The Guns, 0 idea why.
Not complaining, though. It's a nice first step.. *Years upon years ago.*
@@nicolaszan1845 they said they’d do it, probably after the upcoming soviet one, an Italian one, a Norwegian one, and a Middle East one though
@@toxicmailman So basically, we have to wait until HoI6 comes out
Imagine a Bosphorus style update that gives Panama, Colombia, and Venezuela trees to build a stupidly overpowered Gran Columbia real fast.
What a nice way of covering genocide by saying population was wiped out by diseases in a year
And also justifying colonialism by saying the natives were uncivilised and fighting among themselves 😢
I wouldn’t be so negative on Latin American future, IMO the southern cone’s immense potential is just too overwhelming to be ignored in the future. Already Chile and Uruguay are as productive and stable as all but the west, and Argentina not terribly far behind. Also places like Colombia, Mexico, and Cuba have a lot less problems to deal with, and a lot more opportunity to fix them than other emerging economies like Nigeria, or India
Cuba?
@@diegogalvan1110 shhh
@@diegogalvan1110 yeah that might be more of a stretch but with a well educated population discontent with their government with a strong neighbor such as the us who would support democratic reforms, I think there’s a high chance it becomes productive quite soon.
@@Reagankarr1 hmm No. Cuba is an incredibly poor country, with virtual no formal economy, a huge repressive government, and idk what Educated population you're talking about, because most are poorly educated, those who are educated work on other jobs not according to their knowledge and skill level. They barely have access to the internet, definitely, no.
let's hope my country(USA) doesn't try throw wrench into that devolvement
I’m brazilian, and I can say that I agree with you on 90% of your arguments. Where I differ is about the center of the problem. Latin America felt apart when it tried to adopt a deeply different model of society and power structure that it was used to have. It went from monarchical, Catholic societies to presidential,UK or US based ones very fast. Some countries did it very early in their independence, others, like Brazil did it almost one century later, when it was converted from a monarchy to a republic, and as a brazilian myself, can say that Brazil was doing pretty well under a monarchy in the 19th century. With the republic, however, it felt apart completely with dictatorships and corruption consumed elites
That's is pretty interesting. I think this same thing has happened to some Middle Eastern countries, where democracies and republics also tend to fail spectacularly. Switching from a faith based monarchy to a secular democracy is a pretty fundamental transformation, and in some cultures, the switch probably should not even be attempted.
As someone from a Faith based monarchy in the middle East, I can safely say that we'd fail spectacularly if we became a secular democracy.
I'm not a Muslim, I'm a Catholic, but I'd never want to make this country a secular country, it would not be nearly as rich as it is now without the support the king gets from his subjects, and faith plays a very important part in that.
@@Joseph-do9nz Are you from Saudi Arabia?
It's amusing because I am indian and also a monarchist.
@@danielwest6095 I think it’s a great comparison, in many ways we in Latin America are very similar to the middle eastern mindset. We have a large middle eastern population in here, I know many Lebanese personality, and they tend to think like brazilians in many aspects
Filipino who knows an exceptional amount of Philippine history here, especially specific events before Spanish colonization, I'd like to provide my input for your info should you ever stumble on this comment (I'm going to be talking especially about that part where you talk about how Philippines can arguably be considered part of Latin America, since it intrigued me that you brought it up)
First off, we're in a unique situation where a lot of people have pointed out, that we don't seem "Asian" enough or "Hispanic" enough to match the "cultural flavor" (idk how else to word it) of East Asia, SE Asia, or Latin America. We are essentially an archipelago where a lot of foreign influences have all ended up in one place, you have Chinese, Spanish, American, Arabian, Indian, and even Pacific influence all piled up in one place, a giant cluster of so many cultures from around the world.
That picture you showed, I feel like that may be either in Manila or Cebu, or some other urbanized area in the Philippines, but when you go to the rural places, the less touristy or crowded areas, or the Islamic areas in Mindanao (will get to that in a moment), the amount of Spanish influences gradually disappears. Places/people I can think of that come to mind are the Igorots, Mangyans, and Aetas.
We have an underrated and almost unknown history of 700 years of partially recorded history before Magellan's landing that even the average Filipino will have almost no knowledge on (Specific events I can name: Majapahit Invasion of Luzon (The north and largest island), the reign of Dayang Kalangitan who was probably responsible for bringing the Kingdom of Tondo (oversimplified words, the predecessor of Manila) into a golden age, the Invasion of Brunei where Brunei made Tondo and the other kingdom of Maynila separate vassals of its own (and got into a war with Spain when they colonized because Brunei didnt like its possessions taken away))
The question of whether we are culturally part of Latin America, like in a similar sense that Australia, a country sharing the same time zones as East Asia and beside an Islamic Southeast Asian country, is actually under debate even to this day as it seems. Some people would say we're too Asian to be considered Hispanic, others say vice versa, in fact I've seen some people saying we're "Pacific Islanders" instead. Personally, I strongly lean on the Asian side. Plus there's the fact that speaking Spanish as a first language is essentially dead, four reasons being:
1. Americans set up an education system actively discouraging the use of Spanish
2. Unlike the Native Americans, we Filipinos never died to the diseases the Spaniards brought, I assume its because we have also been long in contact with Old World nations like China so we we're probably already familiar with them
3. Because of what I said in #2, the Spaniards were also afraid to teach us Spanish in fear that we might rise up against them (Education to the Philippines from Europe did not really come until the late 1800s)
4. The Japanese, who are generally agreed to be the most destructive colonizers here, actively destroyed a lot of the remaining Spanish heritage here when they occupied Philippines
(EDIT 2021 August 5: It’s worth noting that after the EDSA Revolution of 1986, the new constitution dropped Spanish as a required language in school which effectively sealed the fate of Spanish in this country.)
The closest thing we have to spoken Spanish is the Chavacano creole of Zamboanga. Now, some things to consider if we bring up language: Brazil is also considered part of Latin America despite speaking Portuguese, yet they are not excluded. But even then, a fact about the Philippines would still bother me even if you were to consider us "Hispanic", our main language, Filipino (which is based on Tagalog if I'm correct), is of the Austronesian language family. There are definitely a lot of Spanish words in our language, but grammatically speaking and otherwise, we're much closer to Bahasa Indonesia than Spanish, as Filipino is part of the Austronesian family. In fact, the Filipino language is in the same language family as Maori, Malagasy (of Madagascar), Hawaiian, and Tongan, Spanish meanwhile is in a completely different language family, so while we Filipinos can probably recognize words in spoken Spanish, we won't be able to understand everything in Spanish, spoken or written presumably.
And our second language, its English. We are probably the Asian country who has the greatest skill in English, thanks to our historical ties with the USA, in fact, English is far more widely known and spoken than Spanish is.
I don't know if you'll ever see this comment since I'm days late from uploading this, but in case you do, I hope you do give this a read! Since you said that Philippines is one of the places you know the least about, I hope this will help you learn more about us if you ever see it! :)
PS, one random interesting fact: If you dug into the other side of the Earth starting in Philippines, you would end up in Brazil, near the Bolivian border :)
DECEMBER 24 2021 EDIT: I've been watching more of your videos lately so, if you ever stumble on this comment, then I wanna push out a really stong opinion I have, which is that if Latin America can't really be considered part of Western civilization, then the same should be said for Philippines to Latin America.
Philippines does have similarities, but it's significantly different enough to be its own thing (Which I feel like it does.... as a Filipino, I said a while back that I have trouble relating to their culture. Also we don't seem to be as much stuck as Latin America in the toxic cycle of colonial hierarchies, in fact if anything, Philippines' future seems positive considering we are directly part of the dynamic growth of Asia.)
2022/12/28 EDIT: Whatifalthist also released a video on Southeast Asia, and in it he continues to laud the Philippines around as part of Latin America. You might want to look for my comment on that video, I have brought up points further debunking what he said.
Just a quibble: the Asian country with the greatest skill in English is likely India, being the last major British colony to gain independence. But I'm an American; I don't know for certain
And yet, many Filipinos I know actively identify with Latin American culture. They go to Hispanic restaurants, they watch Latino telenovelas, they certainly pray in the same Churches (Catholicism very strong with most Filipinos I know). A few even date and marry them--and other Americans too.
@@tapplek The Indian likely know English from British influence, while we Filipinos know English from American influence. I don’t know the situation of English in India fully, but its likely we hold the advantage in knowing it more fluently than India, based on what I’ve seen. So much so that a lot of Koreans come here as a cheaper alternative option to study English
@@lyonellaverde3135 Let’s try testing this criteria out on me, a Filipino living in Philippines for more insight
Gone to Hispanic restaurants - Nope I don’t recall doing that, unless I did at some point in the past and I did not realize it was Hispanic for some reason (in fact probably the only Spanish food I like at all is empanada, but yea I really like it its one of my favorites)
Something worth noting though is that I have put a personal rule to myself not to associate patriotism/nationalism with food because that just creates pure frustration and I’d rather think about the taste of the food than how much a food is defined by its nation. So hmm, maybe I might be eating Hispanic or non-Hispanic food without realizing its Hispanic/not Hispanic?
Watch Latino telenovelas - Never heard of a single one, I watch Japanese anime a lot more, and if its not that, then movies from around the world. (Then again I don’t watch any telenovelas at all so eh) And that being said, I actually personally don’t know a single Filipino who watches Spanish telenovelas, or at least if someone I know does, I’m not told they do so. In fact, many of my friends and ppl I know probably watch either Asian or USA stuff more…. *especially K-Pop, its essentially everywhere and there’s probably at least 100-1000 people who love to listen to it every square kilometer which I guess is also interesting but also in a way terrifying* 😂
Catholicism - I’m very much not Catholic, but I am a Christian (became one of my own accord). Besides I don’t see myself becoming Catholic anytime soon, even more so when I know the Spaniards forced it on our ancestors at gunpoint. Like every other person with common sense, I vehemently dislike ppl forcing me to convert, even more so at gunpoint (This is probably a very rare case for a Filipino tho, unless you’re in Mindanao). My emotions about this tbh is so intense, it would make me support the Tokugawa Shogunate’s actions in implementing isolationism, even if they persecuted Christians. But those are just my personal emotions.
That being said though, yes there is a lot of Catholicism here so you’re right about that, unless of course, you go to Sulu or anywhere else in Western Mindanao, or to the indigenous places with little-no Spanish influences like probably…. the Aeta and rural Ifugao areas. (Then again those are actually minorities compared to the majority Catholic)
Dating and Marrying People from the American Continents - Well guess this is one that can apply. My ancestry is an interesting case cause of so much diversity…. I have White American, Black American, Spanish, Chinese, and pure (probably meaning indigenous) Filipino blood mixed in all with me.
So those are my insights, I’m actually interested to know what type of ppl the Filipinos you know are like, since I very much do not identify with Latin American culture. Actually as a matter of fact, I have a lot of trouble personally relating to many aspects of Latin American culture even if I tried, much to the point that it is easier for me to relate to Japanese or Indonesian culture. (Although, I should point out that I consider Latin America as a place I generally have limited info on, its on the other side of the world so compared to East & Southeast Asia, I relatively don’t know as much detailed info abt that place than I do abt here) A disclaimer when considering what I said though is that I’m not like the average Filipino. In fact, given my character and background, I might be a very unique case for a Filipino, given that my own lifestyle and beliefs are already so not normal compared to the average Filipino, so it may not represent the majority of what Filipinos here think. (Then again tbh, I’d probably still be too unique even if I wasn’t a Filipino and grew up in a different country)
Plus hmmm, even if its small rn, there’s actually been a rise in awareness to pre-colonial Philippines recently (the release of Netflix’s Trese being an example), I might be one of the group of ppl absorbing that influence since its essentially rampant in my background and I could spot a reference to one since childhood.
@@boaoftheboaians
Looking at the overall histories of the countries that now form ASEAN 🇧🇳🇰🇭🇮🇩🇱🇦🇲🇾🇲🇲🇵🇭🇸🇬🇹🇭🇹🇱🇻🇳they have their own multitude of Religious and Cultural influences that shaped the countries there as we know it today
It just so happened that compared to other colonizing Powers, Spain 🇪🇸 is much more aggressive in promoting it’s own culture even 🇵🇭 that far because of their own MO, sometimes at the expense of the already existing Indian 🇮🇳 cultural influences that used to be bigger (See: Revolts in the Philippines during Spanish Rule) and the ones that did survive are now hiding in plain sight in the form of flowers, vegetables, fruits, languages, mythologies, philosophies, certain religious rituals, cultural values, norms, mores, cuisine especially the desserts 🧁 🍚 (do you know what “Puto” really means) etc... the indigenous Indic scripts continue to remain in use until the mid-1700’s for the purposes of translating religious texts from Spanish to the indigenous languages so as to transmit Catholicism through the indigenous languages and to keep the native people divided and ignorant of their own history so as keep them for much longer
Also please heed my warning, Beware of (Filipino)Hispanistas Why? Because I see many of them here ready to regurgitate their nonsense about “Hispanic influence” that they want to consistently exaggerate, overexpose, make it bigger than it actually is especially demographic wise which is the most important indicator on how strong the influence is because of the transmission of culture-to hide the fact that they are secretly ashamed of their pre-existing culture and by extension themselves which is historically more in line with SEAsia than Vietnam 🇻🇳. (See:Indianization of SEAsia)
It is possible to spread thy culture(s) without undermining the pre-existing cultures that is already there (the natives processing them in their own terms), there are still significant differences between Ancient India 🇮🇳 and the Indianized polities of SEAsia (not exactly the same but creating their own style being inspired by Ancient India 🇮🇳) which is a different experience from Hispanization (both natural and unnatural) and needless to say that the Hispanization of the Philippine Archipelago is very different from the rest of Latin America for they are a settler colony with Spanish migrants intermarrying with the Amerindians being more common there than the Spanish East Indies where the biggest foreign admixture is Chinese-de Sangley being there for Spanish Silver (business opportunities) it makes sense in hindsight.
There’s some other kind of Mestizos like:
de España-(being exaggerated by Spanish Apologists, it’s a lot smaller because of the distance)
de Hapon-as a byproduct of Japanese Christians seeking refuge from persecution (there is a Christian Japanese Samurai whose name is Takayama Ukon)
de Bombay-as a byproduct of the short lived occupation of Britain 🇬🇧 of Manila and Cavite during the Seven Years War through Sepoys who later mutinied against their British officers for their earlier mistreatment and have settled in Cainta and Taytay
This alone can prove that at the very beginning, Hispanization process of Philippines 🇵🇭 (business outpost for Imperio España See:Manila Galleons they borrowed that from us from a pre-existing Chinese goods monopoly) is very different from Latin America explaining why it didn’t last as much as LA due to several factors by inside and outside forces
I majored in Latin American studies and Spanish Language.
It was such an amazing education on the culture, politics, and economies of Spanish-speaking countries of the Western Hemisphere.
Tbh I didn't really like the video... But I guess it was wrong since the beginning. I tried not to be unfair, but an American explaining about Latin America and what it should do is quite ironic. You went on and on about how the US didn't mess up as bad but you did. That does not diminish the fact that corrupt politicians and just plain bad governments are the norm here, but painting it as not part of western culture and just dirt poor like if we were starving to death isn't correct at all. Hell, you even said that if foreign companies didn't come in, we couldn't do anything at all? What? More than half on the companies and entrepreneurships borned in Latam are bought and monopolized by foreign companies, we literally have no way to compete...
There's still need for foreign investment, but you depicted it in an incorrect and insulting manner..
Damn, this really wasn't a good video, I'm sorry. I don't have time right now to keep exposing my arguments, maybe later or whatever. Greetings from Costa Rica.
PD: For fucks sake, you Americans really need to stop giving so much importance to ethnics. You said that the "best countries" (like my own) had homogenous ethnicity as and advantage and no we don't. It's just that we don't give a fuck, and neither should you. That's why we don't have any wars, we just hate each other for who they are, not for skin color.
yeah, he got the nerve to imply that the fact that LATAM is a shithole has little do to with the US
Completamente de acuerdo. Su discurso sobre las empresas extranjeras refleja mucha condescendencia y sentido de superioridad. También interpreta a latinoamerica bajo su chauvinismo y valores bélicos estadounidenses. Dice que como no hay guerras, las naciones no tienen incentivos para ser mejores XP. No entiende que no entiende.
Me cae mas gordo escuchar latinos que culpan a los Estados unidos por todo, que un americano que no sabe todos los crimenes de la CIA. La neta hemos sonado como un disco rayado por los ultimos 75 años y nos debería dar verguenza.
Somos como los niños de secundaria que cren que la gm2 fue solo culpa de Hitler. Solo para despues darce quenta que el no habria hecho nada sin que el resto de europa lo dejara que se arme y anexe Austria o sin el apoyo de millones de alemanes. Que Francia se rindio en tres semanas y que los estados unidos no entro por collon hasta que lo mamo Japon.
Mi punto es este, cuando culpamos a los EEUU por todo, cerramos la conversacion y no hablamos de : : :
el exceso de burocracia, la deshonestidad, las envidias, el populismo, corrupcion, consumerismo, la mentalidad de victima, la violencia domestica, homicidio etc.
Leamos mas libros que las venas abiertas y san se acabo. Y tomemos responsabildad.
@@portlandcement6817 a ver, primero baja esa condescendencia tan molesta que tienes, hasta se me hace molesto tener que responderte.
Ahora bien, en primer lugar decir que aquí nadie ha dicho que todo es culpa de EU, si desde el inicio se habla de los gobiernos ineficientes y corruptos que se tienen como norma aquí, así como de la cultura conformista que es muy común. Eso no quita en lo absoluto que Estados Unidos es un factor fundamental y no entiendo porque lo defiendes. Claro que un estadounidense promedio no tiene la culpa, pero así tampoco un latino promedio tiene la culpa de todos los problemas entonces ese argumento no tiene sentido.
Seguidamente y con todo respeto, ese argumento de la guerra mundial me parece... Como decirlo... ¿Idiota? ¿Sin sentido? No tiene absolutamente nada que ver, comparas un individuo con un país de millones. Si quitas a Hitler probablemente apareciera otro megalomaníaco alemán, pero la historia variaría según la personalidad de este, pero si quitas a cualquier estadounidense, incluso un expresidente, todo seguiría prácticamente igual, no tiene sentido.
Y claro que los problemas que tenemos son solucionables y nos toca a la poblacion joven el buscar las soluciones, pero estamos en un video erróneo y con claros intereses en pro-estadounidense, por lo que los argumentos se giran a desmontar estas afirmaciones, no por victimismo, ¿es claro no?.
Por último, ese argumento de "hemos estado 75 años con lo mismo" es erróneo también. Si en 75 años no cambia nada entonces el reclamo sigue siendo válido, ¿o pretendes decir que, por ejemplo, los esclavos debieron dejar de quejarse sólo porque pasaron mucho tiempo como esclavos sin ningún cambio? ¿o las mujeres con las situaciones machistas que existían? Tal vez Martín Luther King no debió decir nada porque parecería un disco rayado ¿no?.
Espero haber ayudado a entender de los problemas de este video.
PD: No uses palabras si no conoces su significado, es consumerismo no es un problema, al contrario, son los derechos del consumidor por sobre la oferta en el mercado, y hace alusión a consumo responsable. Creo que hablabas de consumismo.
Pues es gringo, qué esperabas? Por más hiistoriador que sea, si solo habla Inglés, solo se va a informar en libros escritos en dicho idioma, principalmente estadounidenses o ingleses y como dicen "la historia la escriben los vencedores"
Es como hablar con un español en cuanto a la conquista, o como cuando los coreanos les cuestionan a los japoneses de lo que les hicieron
29:46 Chile used to have a powerful, respected and feared aristocracy until the aftermath of the War of the Pacific. The aristocracy got so much wealth from the war that they became obsessive consumers of imported goods, driving itself into the lower class with over spending in frivolus things (like buying cars when almost all the roads were dirt/mud roads or expensive clothes). The hierarchy collapsed since the respected and austere "patron" became a degenerate british/french wannabe and it didn't make sense to respect the old aristocracy anymore.
Interesting
As a Filipino, it sounds a lot like what's happened to us in the past 50 years, minus the war, just replace it with the collapse of sugar and agricultural commodities prices in the '80s. Many who were farmers just a generation ago are now wealthier than the hacenderos who practically owned their grandfathers. It has to be said that we were always a milder flavor of Latin American, made milder still by the Americans, so I think we have good prospects moving forward (though of course I'm biased towards my own country).
Mentira.
Who would win?
- a centuries old aristocracy
- a bit of foreign drip
Speaking of The War Of The Pacific, I don't think either the Democrats nor the Republicans care about South America enough to make it happen, but hopefully some future POTUS can negotiate a compromise between Chile, Peru, and Bolivia which can bring about the compromise proposed by Pinochet that would given Bolivia back a small corridor to the sea. I don't think access to the sea in and of itself would be enough to solve Bolivia's problems, but putting the issue behind them and restoring cooperation with Chile might.
"Borders here make too much sense"
The rest if the world: Impossible
BS. All this video is just that. Massive mixing of truth and half truth and outright lies. I was willing to give it a hear but, oh lord was I wrong. For one, the fact that the population sizes in the empire were overlooked or outright downplayed was very telling. 1790 US population cannot be compared to Mexico because Mexico was not a country yet, and it should have been compared to the population of the whole country which included not only new Spain, but the other viceroyalties.
As an Uruguayan I am looking forward to 2060 when our greatness is finally realized
@A Google Random User it probably easier for them to lunch a coup in the US than govern the whole of south america.
Eso si logran sobrevivir la invasión de canguros australianos.
Cisplatina
as a Argentine, I hope we annex you.
The whole world will be a Cantegril, and exploited, err, financed by China.
Everything you said before part 3 was well understood by Simon Bolivar. I am very surprised that you did not mention him. It is clear that he was very good at diagnosing the problem but was incapable of providing a long-term solution. I consider this to be very critical to the ideology of the region
He was only one person, no one has absolute power to change things without support
Bolívar in fuckng trash and his ideas Destroyed any chance of longterm results, Also shit economics
@@yurischuelter3303 just because Hugo Chavez used the legacy of Bolivar does not mean it has any basis in reality.
@@SA2004YG your statement goes to the Crux of his problem. He tried both absolute control and letting go and nothing seemed to work for him. In the end it's hard to tell what he actually stood for in terms of Any Way Forward.
Definetly, the lack of long term vision just prolongs the inevitable and the problems just grow
How about “How Does Eastern Orthodoxy Work” next?
Short answer: Mostly filled with corruption with government officials taking most of the public money and the countries are usually EU simp's or Russian puppet states, sometimes they're both.
It's a part of the Western world
And maybe then he can explain why Transilvania is part of the west while the rest of Romania is an orthodoxy, making a statement whatifalthist?
It works with Schismatism
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The thing you said about history covering spain until the conquest of the aztecs and the incas is so true. They're just like "and then suddenly Mexico was exactly like it is today". I think this really downplays the importance of indigenous people's since we rarely look at all the things that happened to them in between the conquest and revolutionary periods in Latin America. Not to mention the fact that two extremely different worlds colliding and merging together is just an interesting concept in general to study.
Skyrim and Latin America have in common that they "Just work" xd.
Fallout 4 was the game that "just works"
Skyrim was the game where "see that mountain, you can climb it"
Latin America is Oblivion irl
"And it's not as war ridden and desperatly poor as africa".
Me, a Colombian(50+ years in an armed conflict and with whole regions without a single road): Are u sure about that pal?
Brazil absolutely was not a settler colony like the US. The Portuguese never had any intentions of actually living there for 150 years or more.
It may have been comparable to the south of the now US. The amount of slaves they brought over to Brazil is astonishing.
Who could blame them? Who would voluntarily want to come to Brazil?
Wrong because they had. The provinces of Minho and Trás-os-Montes were turning depopulated because of the immigration to Brazil.
Laws were passed to stop that.
Why? Portugal, unlike Castille and England always had little population.
Approximately 924k Portuguese settlers came to Brazil between 1500 and 1808 (IBGE) and these numbers are incredible for its small size.
What? They literally changed the capital of the kingdom to Brazil.
@@augustobarbosab.773 it seems some people wanted to go to Brazil
"tell me this doesn't look like Mexico"
No, it doesn't, but i think it looks what you think Mexico looks like
The biggest meme of all is that your name is still "Whatifalthist" and not "Whatifthisishappening"
Brazilian here, one of our great problems is that people dont know what the problem is, brazilians have the most bizarre ideas about whats holding the country back which are all based on fantasy. No one cares about the boring real world stuff like logistical efficiency and production gaps instead focusing on some political hot topic that can be used as a battle cry. All our energy is wasted solving issues that either don't exist or don't matter.
The single best ruler we had IMO was Vargas, he is disliked for his extreme authoritarian bahaviour and corporatist policies but he did something that few rulers were able to: correctly identify and solve the country's biggest problem, which at the time was lack of domestic steel production. This sort of attitude is nearly unheard of.
What has democracy helped us with? This country is a mess filled with internal fighting among politicians and different ideologies and no focus on the things that matter
The continued use of trucks to move agricultural production instead of building railroads is mindbogglingly wasteful and proves your point. On the other hand, who is going to spend billions of reals building a railroad just to have the next politician essentially steal it?
O Vargas literalmente não fez nada de errado. Se tivessemos alguém como ele hoje...
@@HeadhuntexGamer Brazil and most of Latin America were not meant to be democratic. That is the truth.
@@leonardoleo5740 ele tinha um ego fragil e gostava de assasinar as pessoas que falavam mal dele, e tinha uma politica corporativista um tanto questionavel.
When you talk about the spanish empire seeking gold, this was only partially true, and only during the first conquests. The spanish empire destined a lot of money into religious motives, which means much of the silver extracted in latin america was used for financing infraestructure in latin america, such as churches, missions and universities (this were run by the church in that time). Also the cast system is more of a myth than anything else, you can't compare north american society saying they were much equal when you are only considering the white population. That is the main difference between the british and spanish empire ay of colonizing. Spanish mixed as they didn't have issues with natives being considered inferior, but british did. Spain spent a lot of money in the americas as part of spain, while the british treated their colonies like only outposts that produced wealth for the mainland. That's why you had a thriving group of british settlers who mainly traded as the hardwork was made by slaves, while in Latin america you had a mixed society with mixed race peasants and a mainly white ruling class. Even Alexander von Humboldt mentioned that spanish america's peasants where "poor, but free" and said they lived better than peasants in rural europe at that time
@ TemplarClip Gold was only a part of it. As part of the Spanish Empire, Spain and its colonies pursued the mercantilist system while other countries made the transition to capitalism. . You also need to look up the term infrastructure. Churches and universities focused on religion are not infrastructure.
@@dennisweidner288 the only countries that actually made that step where Britain and the Netherlands (others did too but just considering the ones with colonies for now) When I said infrastructure i refer to social infrastructure. The fact that the buildings where from the church doesnt make them useless for other things, the universities were not focused on religion despite popular belief ( more like religion-oriented) . Hospitals related to the church were abundant in spanish cities and actually one of the first massive vaccine campaign, known as the Balmis Expedition, was financed by the Spanish empire for its colonies. also, the thirteen colonies functioned as an independent system from the begining, economically speaking, working as a single unit. The spanish americas worked as a unit in conjuction with mainland spain, so independence just divided the system and latin america was left with an incomplete system, only worsened by the fact that it became independent as many little countries instead of a single state. Oh, and I forgot to mention the inmense debt the US had with spain after the revolution which they didn't pay, meanwhile latin america had a debt with britain, which, being a superpower, would not let it go.
@@dennisweidner288 First of all i do agree that the ways of Spain (and France in some extent) stopped being the norm and were less powerful, I haven't denied that ( and trust me im no leftist, Im not american so not very familiar with the democrat analogy). The problem I remark is that Spain did provide its colonies with a fair amount of buildings and institutions, which just did not went into good use after indpendence because of corruption. Even a lot of people in the americas didn't want indpendence from Spain. Many of the "Libertadores" actually made people believe this was temporary, because spanish rule was awful due to Napoleon's ocupation of Spain. My point is, Latin america was better as spanish than after independence. And Latin american politicians like to blame Spain for its misery while its their own fault and their governor's. One exception to the rule is Chile, which during spanish rule was of no use, and was the poorest region of the empire. Today its the leading country in LA (still far from West European and North American countries)
The last point is about science. Science advances were not common in Spain nor in England until the 1750s with exception of Sir Isaac Newton and Robert Hooke. It was during napoleonic era that we saw a visible flourishment of scientists. Anyway, you are probably refering to industry and manufacturing when you talk about science, yet engineering was not even an area of study in universities, it was more associated with workshops and craftsmen. Most of the great science advances of the 18th century were not applied until much later, ( imaginary numbers had no real use until electricity and wave function were studied and applied in complex circuits).
And the article you sent didnt even mention debt with spain. The americans never recognized the total amount of debt, so you wont find it written in american records (spanish dont have much either) yet historians know about it, even JFK mentioned it once.
@@cipmaster1 I think you are correct that there were impressive buildings in Latin America and important institutions. But the video goes into this. The Spanis Empire was based on largely urban development. The 13 British colonies were more rural development without big cities. But big buildings do not mean productive economic activity, especially if they are primarily for the church or an army of lawyers and bureaucrats addressing the moujnaneous waves of royal edicts emanating from Madrid. Rather in the 13 colonies there were moidest elected legislatures creating often practical law which governed their lives.
As for science, this is a modern 19th-century term. The term in the 17th century was natural philosophers. And I heartily disagree that science was not important or common. Our modern scientific world rests on the shoulders of these men, Many were English, but not all. None were Spanish and none emerged from the many Latin American 'universities' often referred to. Men like Galileo, Kepler, Bacon, Pascal, and Descartes to name just a few.
Now when you talk about workshops and craftsmen I am more on board with you. But again the advances came from English and other craftsmen and workshops--not Spanish, all despite the immense wealth of Spain. Here the Royal Navy played a vital role because of its need for navigation, gunnery, and other matters. Which led toward the industrial revolution and mass production. (The Spanish Navy which once ruled the seas did not play an important role.)
As for the article I sent, I'll grant you that it primarily addresses the French and Dutch debt, but Spain is mentioned. (Use the search function to find the reference.) And states flatly " The United States no longer owed money to foreign governments, although it continued to owe money to private investors both in the United States and in Europe."
@@dennisweidner288 Although it wasn't always the case, I agree with the fact that craftmanship was superior in england and its colonies at the end of the 18th century. I also think I didnt express myself well when I talked about scientists, I do consider them important and even vital for a state, but many of there discoveries weren't "useful" (sorry for that word, but i cant find a better one) until much later, as a chemical eng. student myself I'm always amazed at how most of the bases of modern science were already present hundreds of years ago, but it took a shift in mindset to start using them to our advantage.
The Philippines is also the largely forgotten "Asian" country whenever everyone is talking about Asia. It's quite literally the Christian step child of Asia.
More like bastard child of Asia and Spain, like the product of an affair lmfao. Alienated and doesn't know its "half brothers" across the Pacific too well, and a bit odd compared to its brothers in SE Asia.
Starts by saying the Latin America is never talked about, proceeds to talk only minimally about the Portuguese-speaking Latin America, generalizing everything in Spanish America towards Brasil. Hey, Brazillians, how did you like the 'caudillo chaos' after 1823?
I mean, he did point out that Brazil is an exception to those tendencies, but maybe he could've elaborated some more on Brazil's history, especially the reign of Pedro II.
Yet brazil is treated as if it were the entire south american continent, huh
@@deafsear7548 Well, Brazil is phisically half of South America. I'm really not sure if the guy who authored this doesn't actually know anything about Brazil (and Pará) or just doesn't care and only want to talk about the Spanish empire. Must be that age old confusion between Spain and Iberia in the English language. (not to mention forgeting abou QUebec as part of Latin America: but ok, that's a stretch)
@@libatonvhs Of course he could, but I don't think he either knows or cares.
Though he has done an entire video solely on brazil already.
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I can tell you from living my whole life in latin america, it doesn't work, we are survivors. When we move to 1st world countries and stable economies we're kings at surviving and saving money everywhere we can lmao
Europe was forged in the fires of barbarism and war. Maybe LA will do the same? It might take a long time though.
@@the11382 Yep, if you see history, the ones who usually live the hardest lives, become on top, due to survival of the fittest. This happened with the Central Asian tribes and how they conquered Rome. This is why Europe is first world nowadays, because back then in the middle ages while it was the golden ages in Asia and Africa, in Europe it was hell, due to for example, the black death. Due to this desperation technology developed there rapidly, they set sail for new lands and found future superpowers like America. However if you see nowadays, due to the fact that they've been living easy lives for a long time now, they become more complacent and stop developing as fast as they were before. I could see Africa and Asia becoming much more bigger players in the future, especially with the rapidly increasing populations there.
Latin America however, could possibly find a way out of the hellhole they are in right now, but they need to also somehow find a way around American hegemony and become powerful enough so that they don't tamper with your countries when they please.
@@unlimited8410 " but they need to also somehow find a way around American hegemony and become powerful enough so that they don't tamper with your countries when they please."
that doesn't happen in latin america since 2001... when the US turned its attention to Middle East and went fighting there
This is just a poor excuse. The Amercian intervention wasn't even that bad, it stopped communism in its track. Fuck communism.
Even if USA was tampering with latin america that much, in the long term, it wont matter, as USA becomes more of a police state and close itself out of the world.
That's just putting a blame on others.
Heck, get stronger systems.
The fact is, latin america governments are so easy to bribe because they are corrupt, that USA didn't even need to try hard, and probably tampered kind of by mistake.
Here, you incompetent government, I just walk over you...
As someone living in brazil, that is descendant of Italians, I'm always amazed by levels of stupidity, incompetency and lack of study in my fellow citizens. Like, the hell, that explain a lot of our problems, we need actual education, not this shit they present us in its the place. And I'm talking about the public universities too, they are absolutely the worst in keeping the stupid silos, stopping progress and industry, and being disconnected from the rest of the world, like, can you stop reading the fucking marx bullshit, we world is past that.
@@the11382 except there’s no barbarism and war, just bureaucracy and corruption. People live relatively peacefully and ride high times when commodities are in demand, and fall back into poverty when markets fluctuate.
So is this a Prelude to you finally doing *What if the Inca defeated the Spanish?*
I hope so!
They'd probably still fall. It's like if the Byzantines won at Manzikert. They suffered internal strife that eventually led to their downfall.
Spain basically came in and finished off two empires that were falling apart.
@@voicelessglottalfricative6567 internal strife wawsn't that big on the incas, it's not the aztec's eldritch horror of alliances trough terror, it was more of a persian empire. The only civil war they have happened becase the inca, and the direct sucessor died of small pox, along with half the population, it was the sickness what did in these empires.
@@ayinstrumentals7731 Spot on. Imagine your empire is falling apart and some random white guys come in to finish the job and rub some salt in the wound lol
Argentina was once percieved by commentators as a rising great power before their corrupt leaders exhausted any international good will by nationalizing certain industry held by foreign investors, among other things. Its a cycle that continually repeats itself unfortunately.
Who wants to form The Uruguayan Empire with me? We have time until 2060
Baixa a tua bola, Cisplatina!
@@sohopedeco I don't understand portuguese because I'm from the sovereign spanish speaking country of Uruguay. R u from Portugal?
Good luck, rebel
Fuck it I'm in, like in the good old days.
We'll work from the inside
Adopten a Buenos Aires y después hagan una cruzada contra el resto de argentina por favor ayudaaaaaa
Hello Rudyard.
I don't know if you'll ever read this but i love your videos and I just wanted to thank you for the great work you have been doing all this time.
I am impressed by the growth of your channel and i think it is well deserved. The geopolicics series sure did the trick.
But please don't stop making alternate histories, they're cool as well.
I don't think it's overstated when i say that you have greatly contributed to my current worldview. I would even go as far as
saying that you are a role model to me, if it weren't for the fact that i don't know you, who knows maybe you are a dick in real life:).
But you have introduced me to Mr Chad Aurelius so that's something.
Who knows, maybe i will finally be able to make up my own opinions and thoughts.
I hope your channel continues to grow and prosper and i also hope that you keep improving and considering other people's feedback.
It's always good to look back to where one started and not let oneself be blinded by success.
You'll always have a bunch of nerdy losers like me that enjoy this type of content.
PS: Greetings to those people who, like me, always scroll through the comments without ever contributing anything to the conversation.
Hi
@Michael Woods I think he gets these kind of comments/messages from time to time, which is not really that surprising considering that he pretty much created a niche for himself that i didn't even know existed before i started watching his videos.
The growth is definitely not well deserved. These videos largely reaffirm the preexisting viewpoints of the watchers.
@@bellairefondren7389 To each his/her own opinion
@@stefanpfeiffermerino7633 I mean he doesn't really provide any sources, his historical conclusions do not really stand scrutiny and he doesn't explain his thought process at times that we as the viewer would benefit from hearing about.
I'm a Brazilian and, if want to understand my country, just know this.
We are" the U.S, that didn't work"
From the U.S. that did work: You have a beautiful country. Ours certainly didn't happen without struggle.
Nah, its quite different actually. Brazil was more of a confederate states that didnt have enough middle class and artisans to balance the the landlords out unlike the USA. Foi mal mano mas realmente n dá pra comparar
American here, if the US keeps going on its current trajectory, we will soon join you in your pit of stagnation and misery.
@@bigboineptune9567 I feel like someone could make a countryball meme with this, about cool and strong USA no longer being cool and hanging out with Brazil, who the US used to make fun of.
@@bigboineptune9567 Gen z here, don't worry, I'll fix everything, we won't join Brazil
Insightful and helpful for such a condensed picture. I enjoy parts of Latin America culturally a lot, and this helps me understand why.
In the first 1800s US travelers were amazed by the roads, hospitals, schools, universities and the social and cultural development of Spanish America’s empire, far superior in many ways to those in their own country.
After the wars of independence those very same countries did nothing but to lose wealth, economic and social progress due to their corrupted elites (the so called “libertadores”), supported and financed by British empire, interested in raw materials and in destroying Spanish influence in America...
200 years later Latin America’s nationalistic leaders still reject to assume their sole responsibilities for the miserable conditions of their countries, blaming all their problems on the Spanish empire gone so long ago
Spanish america was far behind development than the other empires (specially in forms of production)
And no, the corruption didnt came from las independencias, just remind why the "reformas borbonicas" where created
@Jacob Kaiser such as?
Lol bullshit. No one prasied the spanish empite for its development
@@cuddlemuffin.9545 your ignorance doesn’t change the facts
@@eq1373 Well...like the support of dictatorships during almost all the cold war and
military interventions like:
1831:Argentina
1859:Paraguay
1891:Chile
1916:Dominican Republic
1915:Haiti
1846-1848: México
1853: Nicaragua
1894: Nicaragua
1855: Uruguay
1858: Uruguay
1868: Uruguay
1914: México
1989:Panama
and those are just a few of them...
As a latin american sometimes you dream that somehow by pulling the right strings it will eventually get to be a proper developed country, then you snap out to reality and find out you are in one of the "better countries" of the region and is still very far from that goal
Nice video btw
Eso es tristemente cierto.
Es uno de esos momentos donde la cabeza se te va, y esperas ver un buen país algún día, o una Latinoamérica unida, pero después te despertas y seguís en el saco de boxear de los Estados Unidos
@@UncleAsmos2005 opino que deberíamos aprovechar el internet para hacer movimientos políticos con ideas que busquen ayudar el país, no revoluciones porque nos vamos pal pico, sino movimientos con partidos políticos y todo, colaborando varios países entre todos, esto seguramente no sea posible hasta que todos los vejestorios que están en el poder se mueran, pero hay que tener fé
same
@@lore9828 Ya se intentó varias veces eso, y nunca funcionó.
Lo pensé mucho, y creo que uno de los grandes problemas es que Latinoamérica es muy jóven. No podemos compararnos de ninguna manera con Europa o Japón, que llevan más de mil años de cultura, con bajas y altas, hasta ahora que llegaron a mantenerse..Si vieras imágenes de finlandia de hace 100 años lo entenderías.
Todavía somos sociedades jóvenes. No queda otra que soportarnos y hacer las cosas lo menos horriblemente posible.
Y eso que soy de Argentina, que dentro de la región es uno de los mejores países. Pero está a mucho de ser un ideal.
@@UncleAsmos2005 qué tiene que ver Estados Unidos? Viste el video al menos?
Did you edit their script so that it wasn't historically ignorant? Very much appreciated, other channels who have taken them as a sponsor have read their bullshit scripts word for word.
Much respect.