i ran this thing for about 6 months on the Anthony Henday project in Alberta with a leica GPS, Automatic Controls on it and the 3D Project model loaded into the Leica System. Its job at that time was getting the excess fill chopped out before the finish graders came through for the final passes. They seemed to like it when it was on point, but sometimes we had issues with the calibratrion on the GPS, due to tilting the blade forward and back, so we'd try to set it at one position each day and check it regularily. The machine itself worked pretty ok, could cut a lot of material in one pass (more than say a 16 G) but had to continuously pull up on the blade in deep cuts so it didnt spin out, moves a lot of dirt though and was a pretty cushy job (compared to hauling dirt in a scraper) but neck was sore for the first couple weeks lol. I think i prefer the Grader over this but i also liked to run this for that time.
Thanks for this comment, great info! Would a more aggressive tire(if there is such a thing that fits these scrapers) tire have helped with deeper cuts?
It looks like a very useful piece of equipment, particularly with the additional rear steering to offset the blade right out to the side. It clearly has plenty of power for the grading work, but perhaps could do with coarser tread tyres to get more grip on damp ground.
I saw one working years ago in western Canada, but it was a converted Euclid TSS-24. It was awesome. Leveled dump zone and packed the fill as well. I thought it was powered by a 6-110 up front and a 6-71 out back.
It might work well in the fill to help mix material or wind row dirt for elevating scrapers in the cut but otherwise it looks like it will end up in the museum of heavy equipment bad ideas. As a blade operator you can tell that the front tractor is causing the blade to not travel even and so it would have difficulty (in my opinion) holding any kind of grade. But hey, put the operators cab and seat over the goose neck above the blade and I would probably get something done right for the boss.
+vtajoe1 You must be 'old school' to know about "blue tops". There ain't many of these young peckerwoods running blades with all their high tech blade control gadgets that know what its like to run a string of hubs.
A huge advantage this thing seems to have over a traditional grader is it's turning radius. It is shown here easily doing 180 degree U-turns with very little room. I don't think I've seen regular graders do that.
I've ran scrapers and graders This is great for heavy use haul roads and damp conditions Not a Bluetop grader but I can see it's place for fast rough grading with a fleet of scrapers working It would take a little getting use to though
It’s interesting but I don’t quite get it. A Cat 25 grader could move nearly as much dirt, has one engine and is versatile. A pan could move a lot more dirt when working with a dozer. What is this machines “niche”. Thanks.
Saw one called RAYGO Giant at the road show in Chicago years ago , that was similar but much larger , operator set at rear large your went forward to another power unite and steered from both ends blade was in center but much taller and wider was built for mine haul roads , back then lasers wear just coming in to sewer work not bladed control. this one would can sure roll dirt for pull to pink up and hold some grade in process with that blade control
This would be a great set up with Top Con, without it, it would really be hard to keep up with the blade and drive. I know there would be a bunch of grade stakes missing if I were running it. LOL
CumminsDslPwr Yeah, and a couple of cars, a water truck and assorted power poles. Thanks but no thanks. I'd rather get the pan skinners to get it close then hit it a lick with a 24.
+CumminsDslPwr i ran this thing for about 6 months on the Anthony Henday project in Alberta with a leica GPS, Automatic Controls on it and the 3D Project model loaded into the Leica System. Its job at that time was getting the excess fill chopped out before the finish graders came through for the final passes. They seemed to like it when it was on point, but sometimes we had issues with the calibratrion on the GPS, due to tilting the blade forward and back, so we'd try to set it at one position each day and check it regularily. The machine itself worked pretty ok, could cut a lot of material in one pass (more than say a 16 G) but had to continuously pull up on the blade in deep cuts so it didnt spin out, moves a lot of dirt though and was a pretty cushy job (compared to hauling dirt in a scraper) but neck was sore for the first couple weeks lol. I think i prefer the Grader over this but i also liked to run this for that time.
Brent Burek That would be a good experience but like you said, the more complicated things get, the more likely they are to fly all to flinders. The old manual stuff was best but you had to have someone in the seat that knew something. A am not a computer fan by any means and that machine could be set up better so you could see what was going on instead of an afterthought. You did well but it was still a pain, BUT it was what it was. I'd rather have the 16 myself and I dare say you would too if it was going to be a long term project.
I reckon they would be better off modifying the blade (moldboard) to fit a D8 LGP so the operator sits behind the action and traction would not be such an issue.
It’s got it’s uses, I’m sure of that, but I just can’t work out where? It’s not a dozer, grader or scraper, but it’s a hybrid of all three! I’d love to give it a go, the blade itself is a grader blade so the controls are grader type? Then pulling the blade, from the operator’s view point without any view of the finished surface to gauge cut depth and width etc well it’s confusing. Then there’s ‘haul distance’ to consider. I’d love to see one in action, and have a try out if it if course. Thanks for an interesting vid.
I grew up in South Dakota and I saw a Terex or Euclid "motor grader that was built more on the lines of a normal motor grader. It had the motor in the front and the motor in the back like a twin engine scrapper. The operator's cab was positioned in the same place as a regular grader. I don't remember exactly but it seems that the blade was 4 or 5 feet tall. I may not have all the details perfect, but I did grow up around equipment so I was very impressed with that "motor grader". That job also had the very first (for me) triple engine, double bowl Terex scraper, I believe it was a TS24 model. And if anyone knows more about what I saw growing up please feel free to talk junk and slam everything I typed. I will probably never look at this post again;)
jimmy johnson Jimmy thanks for a name to put on the machine (Raygo Giant). I looked it up after reading your post and found one on a heavy equipment forum. The one I saw in S.D. many, many moons ago had a cab. After reading some of the posts on that forum it seems they had two 8V71 Detroit Diesels in them. I grew up around the two stroke Detroit Diesels and I still love the sound of them. Of course not being smart enough to wear hearing protection makes it hard to hear anything other than a screaming Detroit.
myjudge45410 There was a contractor in South Dakota & I think the name was Harris?? They pieced together the first one of the converted Euclid scraper into grader ideas. Im not sure why Euclid didnt run with the idea as they never had a grader & it would have been cheap & easy for them to produce them right along in the scraper assembly line. At any rate Jimmy J got it right as it became the Raygo Giant. There is one left & has been saved, it is in Alberta with a historical group there.
I can’t see a huge benefit of this. To me it’s one of those things that if a company has then they use it. But I would think that being more diligent during the initial cutting would be key here. I just see this thing hogging dirt that should have been taken care of already.
I would not want to check grade around this. The operator has to look back to see what's going on. It's safer if he is looking forward to see the blade and where he is going.
jimmy johnson Somehow I can't see this doing winter snow clearing around town, - would it be 'road legal'? Perhaps on the interstates with an escorting police car behind - what a sight !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fit it with a smaller 'V' plough on the front and a deeper one in the middle.
Now I've seen everything,what in the world is that thing,bcause you can't call it a Scaper by it doesn't have the pan on it,but it has a grader blade instead,so what do you call it,it has a scraper body & no pan but with a blade 🤔
Howcome these were taken down? The other day i remembered watching these and searched your page and they never came up, I went through google and found a link, But it said it was no longer available. Nice to see them again!
jimmy johnson As long as they keep making the 24 I don't really think they have a thing to worry about. I'd rather have the pan, or a paddle pan on that frame without the articulation and leave the finishing for later.
This a very nice bit of engineering here ,,, take one scraper and turn it into a grader ,,Oisiaa you asked what makes this better ? ,,well a few things really ..top of the list ..the price for one thing ..a grader of around the same size is a very costly item ..this will cost a lot less .. the last grader i drove around this size was a $600,000 US machine .,this will cost much less..one thing i noticed to was the speed ..this is many times faster and with the two engines ..hell of a lot of pushing/pulling power here .maneuverability also is a lot better than a normal grader . As for the operator this is not so hard as when driving the scraper with the bowl you sit looking to your side when loading ..this is the same .. all in all ..very nice idea indeed :)
i ran this thing for about 6 months on the Anthony Henday project in Alberta with a leica GPS, Automatic Controls on it and the 3D Project model loaded into the Leica System. Its job at that time was getting the excess fill chopped out before the finish graders came through for the final passes. They seemed to like it when it was on point, but sometimes we had issues with the calibratrion on the GPS, due to tilting the blade forward and back, so we'd try to set it at one position each day and check it regularily. The machine itself worked pretty ok, could cut a lot of material in one pass (more than say a 16 G) but had to continuously pull up on the blade in deep cuts so it didnt spin out, moves a lot of dirt though and was a pretty cushy job (compared to hauling dirt in a scraper) but neck was sore for the first couple weeks lol. I think i prefer the Grader over this but i also liked to run this for that time.
Sore neck was the first thing that popped into my mind.
Thanks for this comment, great info!
Would a more aggressive tire(if there is such a thing that fits these scrapers) tire have helped with deeper cuts?
Brent Burek Brent I was lucky enough to get to haul this project around on the lowboy and yes ron has thought of a few cool inventions
daaamn. Live 15 mins away from the henday, never knew they used this frankenstein on it lol
Great out of the box design! I like that they left the rear hook on the scraper! A great pull helper with the other pan scrapers. Great video! 👍👍👍
Greetings from the United Kingdom, love it, there are applications for this we haven't even thought of yet, well done, ignore the knockers !!
dual articulation ,4 wheel drive ,twin engines = badass
It looks like a very useful piece of equipment, particularly with the additional rear steering to offset the blade right out to the side. It clearly has plenty of power for the grading work, but perhaps could do with coarser tread tyres to get more grip on damp ground.
I saw one working years ago in western Canada, but it was a converted Euclid TSS-24. It was awesome. Leveled dump zone and packed the fill as well. I thought it was powered by a 6-110 up front and a 6-71 out back.
There was a contractor from years ago with the same idea. He used two Euclid scrapers from his fleet to make a gigantic twin engined motor grader.
Cool shots Kenny! I feel it would be the perfect beegee! Plenty of power, fast road fixer!
This is the coolest motor grader I have ever seen!!
nice turning radius . TEREX would be proud
It might work well in the fill to help mix material or wind row dirt for elevating scrapers in the cut but otherwise it looks like it will end up in the museum of heavy equipment bad ideas. As a blade operator you can tell that the front tractor is causing the blade to not travel even and so it would have difficulty (in my opinion) holding any kind of grade. But hey, put the operators cab and seat over the goose neck above the blade and I would probably get something done right for the boss.
+Gary Smedley Well I dont see that machine doing any blue top (final grade) work
+vtajoe1 You must be 'old school' to know about "blue tops". There ain't many of these young peckerwoods running blades with all their high tech blade control gadgets that know what its like to run a string of hubs.
+vtajoe1 it has done final grade work i know a guy who ran it
+jimmy johnson Must be using GPS to do it...
yes
Awesome machine 👍👍
A huge advantage this thing seems to have over a traditional grader is it's turning radius. It is shown here easily doing 180 degree U-turns with very little room. I don't think I've seen regular graders do that.
First time I've seen this 😺 cool machines 👍🚧
That’s what they need in aus on those dirt. Roads
Cool idea. Has everything going for it except needing to turn the head to see the blade. But weight and power distribution looks excellent
so an neck like an own should be a big Advantage while working with this...
That is one incredible machine!
I've ran scrapers and graders
This is great for heavy use haul roads and damp conditions
Not a Bluetop grader but I can see it's place for fast rough grading with a fleet of scrapers working
It would take a little getting use to though
Great job you guyes in building this, good for a paddle wheel scraper move faster to load and on your way!!!
truly ingenious !!
Just wondering, why? Can someone explain the advantage(s) of this machine over a regular Cat 24G?
Turning radius? This thing does a 180 degree U-turn basically in it's own footprint. I'm not sure regular graders do that.
I can't wait to buy their line of kitchen utensils.
are they making a motocross track ?
They should have mounted the cab on the back engine, that would make this a really awesome machine.
It’s interesting but I don’t quite get it. A Cat 25 grader could move nearly as much dirt, has one engine and is versatile. A pan could move a lot more dirt when working with a dozer. What is this machines “niche”. Thanks.
Saw one called RAYGO Giant at the road show in Chicago years ago , that was similar but much larger , operator set at rear large your went forward to another power unite and steered from both ends blade was in center but much taller and wider was built for mine haul roads , back then lasers wear just coming in to sewer work not bladed control. this one would can sure roll dirt for pull to pink up and hold some grade in process with that blade control
Now that's a rough grader,gets the muck down and close quickly.
Which scraper was this adapted from? 627,637,or 657?
Nice set up
This would be a great set up with Top Con, without it, it would really be hard to keep up with the blade and drive. I know there would be a bunch of grade stakes missing if I were running it. LOL
CumminsDslPwr Yeah, and a couple of cars, a water truck and assorted power poles. Thanks but no thanks. I'd rather get the pan skinners to get it close then hit it a lick with a 24.
it has been set up with gps before
That'd be nice and a helicopter attachment too.
+CumminsDslPwr i ran this thing for about 6 months on the Anthony Henday project in Alberta with a leica GPS, Automatic Controls on it and the 3D Project model loaded into the Leica System. Its job at that time was getting the excess fill chopped out before the finish graders came through for the final passes. They seemed to like it when it was on point, but sometimes we had issues with the calibratrion on the GPS, due to tilting the blade forward and back, so we'd try to set it at one position each day and check it regularily. The machine itself worked pretty ok, could cut a lot of material in one pass (more than say a 16 G) but had to continuously pull up on the blade in deep cuts so it didnt spin out, moves a lot of dirt though and was a pretty cushy job (compared to hauling dirt in a scraper) but neck was sore for the first couple weeks lol. I think i prefer the Grader over this but i also liked to run this for that time.
Brent Burek That would be a good experience but like you said, the more complicated things get, the more likely they are to fly all to flinders. The old manual stuff was best but you had to have someone in the seat that knew something. A am not a computer fan by any means and that machine could be set up better so you could see what was going on instead of an afterthought. You did well but it was still a pain, BUT it was what it was. I'd rather have the 16 myself and I dare say you would too if it was going to be a long term project.
Uhhh.... Couldn't scrapers just pull the ejector all the way forward, pull apron all the way up and use the bowl the same way this thing does???
I reckon they would be better off modifying the blade (moldboard) to fit a D8 LGP so the operator sits behind the action and traction would not be such an issue.
It’s got it’s uses, I’m sure of that, but I just can’t work out where? It’s not a dozer, grader or scraper, but it’s a hybrid of all three! I’d love to give it a go, the blade itself is a grader blade so the controls are grader type? Then pulling the blade, from the operator’s view point without any view of the finished surface to gauge cut depth and width etc well it’s confusing. Then there’s ‘haul distance’ to consider. I’d love to see one in action, and have a try out if it if course. Thanks for an interesting vid.
That's cute- a double-barrel grader. Now if you could just run it from the rear so you could see what you were doing.
@cowboy up Don't need a GPS if you can run one.
idea for you, second blade operators cab on the rear section, let the diver drive, and the operator make the cut?
Or put the cab on the rear?
Why???
I grew up in South Dakota and I saw a Terex or Euclid "motor grader that was built more on the lines of a normal motor grader. It had the motor in the front and the motor in the back like a twin engine scrapper. The operator's cab was positioned in the same place as a regular grader. I don't remember exactly but it seems that the blade was 4 or 5 feet tall. I may not have all the details perfect, but I did grow up around equipment so I was very impressed with that "motor grader". That job also had the very first (for me) triple engine, double bowl Terex scraper, I believe it was a TS24 model. And if anyone knows more about what I saw growing up please feel free to talk junk and slam everything I typed. I will probably never look at this post again;)
that sounds an awful lot like a ray go giant
jimmy johnson Jimmy thanks for a name to put on the machine (Raygo Giant). I looked it up after reading your post and found one on a heavy equipment forum. The one I saw in S.D. many, many moons ago had a cab. After reading some of the posts on that forum it seems they had two 8V71 Detroit Diesels in them. I grew up around the two stroke Detroit Diesels and I still love the sound of them. Of course not being smart enough to wear hearing protection makes it hard to hear anything other than a screaming Detroit.
yep
myjudge45410 There was a contractor in South Dakota & I think the name was Harris?? They pieced together the first one of the converted Euclid scraper into grader ideas. Im not sure why Euclid didnt run with the idea as they never had a grader & it would have been cheap & easy for them to produce them right along in the scraper assembly line. At any rate Jimmy J got it right as it became the Raygo Giant. There is one left & has been saved, it is in Alberta with a historical group there.
"Raygo Giant"
Sweet! Which hand gets the nod, the scraper operator or the blade operator? :-)
I can’t see a huge benefit of this. To me it’s one of those things that if a company has then they use it. But I would think that being more diligent during the initial cutting would be key here. I just see this thing hogging dirt that should have been taken care of already.
Cool. What's the length demision an mold board width,, but needs skidded tires better traction, an a fuel tanker on stand by lol
That be worse than a rubber tired dozer for some work,still a cool machine. and no knuckle busting pto system.
Was this the only one or are there S18Gs around working in 2018??
Why not just get a 24 G
A 657 scraper with no box but a grader blade instead.... can't see the point after 40 years of muck shifting
Interesting idea, but how is it better then just a motor grader.
What does it do that a scraper or dozer cannot do better?
If it had a rotating chain instead of a blade it would be much more efficient.
I would not want to check grade around this. The operator has to look back to see what's going on. It's safer if he is looking forward to see the blade and where he is going.
they equip it with gps and it does finish road top quite quickly
jimmy johnson Somehow I can't see this doing winter snow clearing around town, - would it be 'road legal'? Perhaps on the interstates with an escorting police car behind - what a sight !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fit it with a smaller 'V' plough on the front and a deeper one in the middle.
+Christopher Lovelock that be awsome doing streets in the winter hahah
Now what? What is the ground breaking idea on this weird grader/scraper?
The concept is good but operator wise I'm sure it's to blame for some neck injuries
It always amazes me how obese guys sitting in their mother's basement can criticize people who are actually doing things.
Yup just because they ain't man enough to operate any of these themselves
@@PapaJ5667 "Ah would've kicked yer ass back in the day but I threw mah back out and yew better feel lucky PUNK coz I be all up on yer shit" ;)
What a machine! Take a heavy scraper and make it a grader.
I was on that job site never remember seeing this
Would be good for blade mixing in big road construction, otherwise just get a Cat 16G.
Why? What makes this better than a regular grader?
This has two engines, four wheel drive, and about twice the weight.
TheJEF26 But a lot of regular graders have 6wd. Clearly this is a step down! ;)
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+Sevalecan still has 2 engines its built on a 37 frame so the the scrader has around 700+ hp where as the 24 has around 500
You put a laser on that thing !
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Terex had something like that years ago and I don't think it went anywhere.
The RAYGO GIANT
Another intriguing idea from Brent. Which scraper(s?) is this based on?
Looks like a 637 i think
Now I've seen everything,what in the world is that thing,bcause you can't call it a Scaper by it doesn't have the pan on it,but it has a grader blade instead,so what do you call it,it has a scraper body & no pan but with a blade 🤔
raygo giant was the big grader terex gm 8 v71 and trans ran one😅
That's cool
The cab should be at the rear of the machine.
Then wouldn't it be considered a road grader sir?
Steve Durham what is it considered now?
Howcome these were taken down? The other day i remembered watching these and searched your page and they never came up, I went through google and found a link, But it said it was no longer available. Nice to see them again!
apparently caterpiller does not like these particular pieces of euipment
jimmy johnson As long as they keep making the 24 I don't really think they have a thing to worry about. I'd rather have the pan, or a paddle pan on that frame without the articulation and leave the finishing for later.
+Lewie McNeely not that they are worried just dont like it. i mean this company has an even larger scrader thats not quite fully built
They'll probably ship it to China for assembly but I hope not.
the big scrader.? no its sitting in cali waiting on some parts
Ton of power in a motergrader not heavey to cut the cut wheir this machine got both, Cool like to see, like to operate some time.
nsa tell the Italians to buy 500 and clear dubai dessert
in the long run don't you still have to move the dirt? It's a waste.
sore neck for sure
Yeah I wouldn't be working my wind row to the left all day thats for sure!
Very cool
Like 👍👍👍👍👍
Does any one film the mechanics after they run all day I'm mean who fuels them and oils them
noveen williams literally anybody.
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wow you invented the road grader
All that's left for scrapers is to pick up giant windrows....
looks to me like somebody had too much time and/or money on their hands needed to piss some away on this joke
Greyder , basa skreper ?😃
la ça dépote !! super pour le vrd et bonne visibilité pour le chauffeur!!
What a better way the left can cover up their crimes lol. Nancy and Chuck should be proud of Cat!
This is a third party alteration idiot!
The new era of graders.
Petre Thompson Actually not a new idea at all. It is an approx 50yr old idea...Google Raygo Giant
I dunno boys and girls... I think terrex did it better with the cab in the back and all that.
Cool machine Id love to run one, not very impressed with the operator. 😂
I guarantee you that thing is a handful to operate. I wouldn't want to run it.
Not every idea is a good one.
Seen one of these in ft mac
+Jason Sinclair same one
Jason Sinclair Hwy 63 house river you mean not ft Mac there is only 1 made
Nope! That’s just a scraper hand saying, motor grader, I don’t need no motor grader.
She don't look to hot anymore. Must have seen a lot of hours.
This a very nice bit of engineering here ,,, take one scraper and turn it into a grader ,,Oisiaa you asked what makes this better ? ,,well a few things really ..top of the list ..the price for one thing ..a grader of around the same size is a very costly item ..this will cost a lot less .. the last grader i drove around this size was a $600,000 US machine .,this will cost much less..one thing i noticed to was the speed ..this is many times faster and with the two engines ..hell of a lot of pushing/pulling power here .maneuverability also is a lot better than a normal grader .
As for the operator this is not so hard as when driving the scraper with the bowl you sit looking to your side when loading ..this is the same .. all in all ..very nice idea indeed :)
the company that built this has alot of spare parts so the only money spent was designing and building the sucker
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My father is a businessman, and we have this machine, barely see her, she's always on the road!
Sure pal, sure.
WTF??
***** heres a new project for You to model
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just following accos lead lol
be real good for mixing water into dry ass clay
To me it just alot of waste diesel
Go do it by hand labor your welcome to!
Superstar McGee www.earthmoversmagazine.co.uk/scraper-that-thinks-its-a-grader/
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A nossa motoniveladora é melhor!
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Jeez looks like a roadgrader but with a stiff neck