Speaking Japanese After ~5 Years of Input With Very Little Output Practice (italki Japanese part 2)
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2024
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PREVIOUS italki episode: • I Spoke Japanese With ...
Unedited long version: • This is what my Japane...
In a few months I'm going to be reaching 5 years of learning Japanese and since getting started, I've gotten around 3600 hours of Japanese exposure (~1700 hours of Anki, ~1700 hours of immersion, ~200 hours of other study sources), meaning that I've been exposed to Japanese an average of 2 hours per day since getting started.
However, I've had very little output (aka speaking or writing) practice during the entire 5 years (less than 100 hours in total). In this video I'd like to demonstrate what my Japanese output became like after nearly 5 years of ~2 hours a day input based learning and very little output practice. From here on I'm going to be slowly doing output practice on hopefully a daily basis for years to come, and I'm looking forward to seeing how much my Japanese will improve.
You can find more details about my Japanese learning journey thus far through my yearly update series: • I Learned Japanese 1 H...
The 5 year update is soon to come!
MUSIC:
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甘茶の音楽工房 - 月夜のフクロウ
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Vanilla - Golden
Vanilla - Summer
(The outro song is the outro of Vanilla - Summer in the bandcamp version)
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro & context
1:55 italki introduction
2:10 Teachers I took lessons with this time
3:00 Promo link
3:12 Format of this video + unedited version
4:00 Lesson 1: SoSo
19:35 Lesson 1 conclusion
20:07 Lesson 2: Shimizu Kenshiro
34:00 Lesson 2 conclusion and final thoughts
35:50 Outro
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Kenshiro Shimizu: italki.app.link/teacherkenshiro
PREVIOUS italki episode: ruclips.net/video/zRTgpy9UDlQ/видео.html
Unedited version: ruclips.net/video/d1bfKG7QCGU/видео.html
Hopefully you enjoyed the video! If you'd like to learn more about my Japanese journey, I've made yearly upload videos where I always benchmark my Japanese and share my thoughts and methods of how I had been learning during those periods. Link to the playlist here: ruclips.net/video/bpfCWogjnwc/видео.html
Also, unrelated, but the next store renovation video is still going to take a bit more time, there will be at least one video in between before I can start working on it, and still some stuff to do IRL as well, but its definitely coming eventually!
But can i learn all 150 languages at once?
Wake up babe livakivi just posted, gotta grab some popcorn for this
So true
Hi Livakivi, I’m a native Japanese speaker. Thank you for sharing the results of your 5 years of learning Japanese. This video is proof that input-based learning is effective. I watched the entire video, and I was really surprised by your level of Japanese. As your tutor mentioned, your word choice is very natural, and your grammar is nearly perfect. Your comprehension is excellent. Sometimes, you may struggle with words in conversations, but you have a vast passive vocabulary. I expect you’ll reach a near-native level in 2 years. I can relate to your experience because I’ve been studying English through immersion, using only input, just like you. Currently, I’ve been practicing speaking in online lessons for 2 months and working on my writing, such as Twitter and RUclips comments, just like this one. I also started using Migaku, thanks to your video, and it’s been an amazing tool. I’m still at 5k Anki decks because I started using Anki 2 years ago, but I aim to reach 20k in 1-2 years with Migaku. Thank you for uploading this video, it’s really motivating for my language learning journey. I’m looking forward to your next video!
Thank you for the comment and the kind words! I wish you the best when it comes to your learning as well! It's clearly going well based in this comment.
the very same could be said about you! you have essentially perfect grammar. your hard work is paying off greatly :)
I got a bit surprised when you shared how you learned english, your english is pretty much perfect!
You could literally talk to me and I wouldn’t even know you were japanese!
keep on the good work, and maybe you’ll stave off dementia for a few years, because it’s good for your brain.
Wow this comment sounds 100% native
Wow, this comment has better grammar than a lot of native speakers. I'm not even exaggerating, most people on the internet wouldn't put this much effort into writing a paragraph. Keep it up, you're already excellent at english!
I have been learning Japanese recently and after finding your channel along the way, I have become a big fan and have watched almost all your videos. I just wanna say thank you, after seeing how dedicated and hardworking you are I realized that with enough studying and hard work anything can be learned, You truly are an amazing person. You inspired me Thank you,
Well liva, were gonna need a japan travel vlog in complete japanese with subtitles in the future
No more subtitling please 😭
@@Livakivi whisper can come to your aid, until then it should be even better than now.
Thank you for putting subtitles, helps a ton, the effort hasn't gone unnoticed
Loved the energy of the second teacher, was fun to listen to! Also props to you for subbing everything in both english and Japanese, especially for a video of this length, cant imagine how mind numbing that must've felt lol
I really feel like I never want to sub anything again lmao
one of the 15 or so youtubers i look forward to each upload from and will watch no matter what. this fellow could be learning scandinavian folklore and id listen like it was a life lesson
Ikr
Could you share the list of the youtubers (or content creators in general)?
Despite not having the desire to learn Japanese at all, I still never miss a video due to the stellar presentation. Keep up the good work!
Epic
You are a huge inspiration
I'm nearing 400 days in Anki and took the N3 mock test on 365th day. Did surprisingly well but still long way to go
I feel as If I saw the previous speaking video just some weeks ago. Crazy how fast time passes. I feel Ive wasted 6 months and so much could've been done
Time does move fast. Though, whatever endeavors you might have, you have your entire life to do them, and by that I mean that even if you start "only now", you'll still go a very long way eventually.
@@Livakivi you're right, I feel the all or nothing mindset is holding me back. I'll try to do something everyday consistently towards the goal like you did, no matter how small the daily amount of progress may look like.
once it becomes a routine it's really not hard to continue, and as long as you dont stop you'll eventually get there. im quite possibly the laziest person in the world and i've somehow made japanese learning a routine that i've stuck to for almost 2 years@@skyre2039
i do love this channel.
same
First time commenting here but I just wanted to say that I really appreciate your content and you giving us a look at how your Japanese learning journey has progressed. I'm also trying to learn Japanese but I'm at a much earlier stage (around 110 days or so) and sometimes the amount of work ahead of me seems impossible, but when i watch your videos and see how far you've come it gives me inspiration to keep grinding away at the vicab and grammar. Many thanks Livakivi for the inspiration!
I can't imagine adding subtitles through Premiere Pro (or any other program for 'typical' video editing, like the mentioned Premiere Pro or Sony Vegas). While creating ASS subtitles as long as here, i.e. 30 minutes, doing from scratch I myself would spend up to 3h, but in such a program with 2/3 times longer.... I can't imagine how much it took you. Probably also a matter of getting used to it and practice
Love your channel, keep it up!
Edit: Of course I meant using Aegisub for subtitling
Awesome! Love seeing a new video
I watched this whole video, and thoroughly enjoyed *every moment.* I have perhaps never been so stimulated and interested by a 30-minute youtube video. I hope to get to your level one day, Liva. 30% of the way through core 2k/6k and immersing regularly.
You are the only reason I have stuck with Japanese and can learn it effectively, and your progress inspires me and others like me. Congratulations on the fruits of your labor and thank you for documenting it.
Thanks! And good luck moving forward!
Watching your progress through the years is awesome!
Always need to tune in for a livakivi video
Y'know it's a good day when Livakivi posts ^^
Staying motivated is a very hard endeavor ... i have a lot of respect for you and your journey
great video as always. I am still learning japanese due to your videos, almost one year never missing a day. I really look forward to this point in my journey
This is such a useful resource. I feel like watching your output practice is helpful for my input understanding... easy to digest content! Thank you as always! 😄
あなたのチャンネルのおかげで、私は日本語を勉強し続けるようになりました。ありがとう！
SoSo and Shimizu are amazing teachers
Wow. Your hard work and dedication is very inspiring. I started my Japanese language learning journey about a month and a few days ago, and this video for sure gives me motivation to keep going! I’m excited to see your progression with output in the near future.
It's always fun watching your Japanese learning journey. It's consistently been a great encouragement to me because I am reminded that I can keep getting better if I keep putting the time in. it's also been a good resource for finding new learning methods to try out. Heck, your last italki video was a good push for me to start using italki. Originally, I had considered holding off on output practice, particularly speaking, until I reached 3 years of learning the language (or maybe even later, because of how daunting speaking in Japanese actually is), but thanks to your last italki vid, I convinced myself to start earlier and to make my output practice consistent. I've been using italki for output practice for at least one hour a week for 3 months now, and it's fun to see myself gradually improving and getting more confident with each lesson.
As always, thanks for all the effort you put into your videos!
epic livakivi upload!!!
😇😇😇
Havent seen a video of yours in like half a year. So I am relly glad that you upluaded so much and I have much to look forward to.
Wake up new livakivi vid dropped
Fantastic output skills btw
Great vid as always! It was very interesting to see the progress in how comfortable you felt using JP. You continue to inspire me on my own journey in learning Japanese, and ive also developed an interest in visiting Estonia someday so thank you for that!! ❤️ (Paying my respects to Cheems as well 🙏 he was truly the goodest boy of our time :') )
Bro youve improved immensely, congrats
Your videos are always a treat, It's Inspiring to watch your progress as a fellow Japanese Learner, the Japanese subtitles are much appreciated. If you have a script of your subtitles uploading them to youtube and having it auto-time it would be super amazing for sentence mining from this video or videos you plan on making like it and it might help with SEO, and if you narrate off a script you can always do it for English too without much extra effort. Thanks for your hard work as always Liva!
whoahh your japanese is soo impressive. Truly a huge inspiration!!!
Soso Sensei seems very chill! And「何この面白い木」was funnier to me than it should have been lol
素晴らしい動画！
new livakivi vid dropped gotta forget everything i was abt to do ‼️
Your 600 days japanese learning video was probably the video that got me into learning japanese in the first place. That video motivated me to just go "why not" to starting Japanese and I was quite surprised at how long I lasted studying consistently lol. I've lost the consistency for more than a year now, but I think this might motivate me to restart and go even further. Thanks for the japanese videos I guess, they go a long way in motivating me to do the same 👍
today’s morning, i literally received the notification for this video when i woke up and grabbed my phone to turn off the alarm, what a nice way to start the day 😂🤷♂️
good stuff dude : )
I keep coming back to your videos when I feel disillusioned then my motivation comes back
I tried making subs for a youtube vid and yeah that was painful lol, I give you props for doing so. also love the self insert at 17:10
Well done! I guess if you went to Japan now you'd be able to get around okay. This is really inspiring! Thanks for sharing. :D
i would say he's at least a few years beyond getting around okay lol. at this point he'd do fine in a village of only 3 elderly japanese ppl
You realize you really only a few words to get around ? lmao. He can speak proper sentences without a problem. @@humanbean3
Your editing seems to have gotten better. It seems a lot cleaner now.
インプットだけしてきたのにこんなに上手に日本語を話せる外国人がいるの,凄い
Really good output for 5 years without attempting, the next step will naturally cut out most use of excessive filler words, or at the very least better diversify them, I'm excited to see the progress!
Thanks for the content your a inspiration to me
勉強になりました。: 忙しくしているって表現、気づいたことないです。I agree with the tutor - your Japanese sounds really good. You're comparing yourself to native speakers because that's all you listen to all the time but if you compared yourself to other Japanese learners you'd have better perspective. You do hesitate in some spots where natives or even other learners with more output experience wouldn't but then correct yourself but this doesn't happen constantly only sometimes and I would feel very comfortable talking to you in Japanese about any topic at all. I've taken group N1/N2 classes which is pretty much as high as it gets and you sound a bit better than most of the other students because you clearly have a large vocabulary even if it's not all at your fingertips. That said doing some more output earlier would have been ok. But while some people might have hit a plateau just doing only input I think your Japanese kept growing through input alone throughout all your studying. Must be nice! I got tripped up on that 保険, 保健 bit too.
That's an interesting perspective - thanks for sharing it!
I think in some ways it's good to compare myself to native speakers, but only just to have a direction to aim towards, even if it seems a bit unrealistic in the mid-term, but it's fine since for now I'm still motivated to keep on going st my own pace :)
Hope your Japanese output road goes well
livakivi will soon become an anime main character
I understand nothing but i feel that your speaking is good 😂😊
your videos always make me feel more and more inspired to grind harder at stuff
I've got a 75 day streak on anki and duo right now for jp, I've always been interested in learning it. I'm very much the same as you, I was never really interested in manga or anime before starting to learn, other than stuff like beastars or BNA etc. My name comes from a conversation I had with a japanese speaking friend like 5 years ago, so I think it's kinda been on my mind since about then
But I've never really been able to stick to learning something, especially something as big as learning a language. The road to some preconcieved notion of "success" always seemed so long and arduous, and I never felt like I would be able to follow through with it. I've seen a lot of other channels discuss methods to get into learning, but none of them fit my style of learning like yours did.
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I ❤the thumbnails to these videos. Makes me want to get a dog. And watching this video makes me feel old.
I was about to go to sleep, but welp, Ig now I have a video to watch before I can do that now 😅
Can't wait that moment when they invite you to the Trash taste
That'd be super awesome
I was just wondering yesterday when will be your next video lol
Fukomoto is famous for the zawazawa sound effect in his manga!
Honestly if i didn't come across this channel and liva was speaking Japanese on a voice call i would assume he is a native speaker of Japanese.
Can’t wait to watch! I “finished” the core 6k deck in a bit over a year, but haven’t really added much in the past two months. It’s pretty much just Anki reviews and some listening here or there. Should I really just bite the bullet and start sentence mining? I’ve tried it a few times and I feel like I have it paused longer than I’m playing it which is frustrating
It was like that for me too. Plenty of words learned and relativ ease with learner content but native was just like I haven't learned much at all. Really you just have to bite the bullet and do it, it will only get easier over time. Textbooks and decks aren't really gonna teach you to deal with casual speech much. You will have to learn it from native content directly. Though some content is much easier then others and subtitles help alot.
Sentence mining is like the best thing to do in order to improve comprehension imo, go for it!
Thanks guys. Yeah I think I’ll just commit to making it my main form of study now
it used to take me like 2+ hours to get through a 20 minute anime episode. most the time i'd just get like half way through even. after like a year of pretty lazy consistence its like 30 minutes or less now. im also old and impaired quite often. you will be golden.@@Kyjor_
Let's GO! A new video just dropped
If ah lecks post as well I'm gonna lose my shit
Is it just me or did your pitch become better compared to the last italki video? One small piece of advice, the language names ending in 語 are all heiban, including 日本語!
It's possible!
As for 日本語 being heiban, I do know that one, which is why when I wanted to say 日本 in atamadaka, for some reason I said 日本語 in heiban instead :)
But I still make mistakes on words I even know, for example I said Estonia in English a few times by accident and so on.
I suggest for anyone trying to learn a language to try writing in that language and formulating sentences and paragraphs in writing, you can just write anything, your thoughts or what you did today ect.
I also suggest just BSing if needed, don't try to be perfect or check up on every single thing, just get it done, do it everyday, and then at the end, maybe check, but don't be perfectionist, broken english is much better than no english at all, so you don't need to get all the words right, so long as you can get your basic message across, you succeeded and can get better after, but you have the ability to live in that country of that language is the goal.
Another solid video, my friend.
Are you gonna do more output practice in VR Chat and if you do would you also make a video out of it?
Outside of videos I don't really visit vr chat right now, but will see for the 5 year update!
that flag ur a buddhist ? Where from ?
@@Livakivi That's nice c:
The VR-Chat scenes are always very entertaining ^^
@@Gummylongtail I am. I'm from the UK.
i've been learning Japanese for a little over two years now using immersion and have also done next to zero output practice lol. feel like trying to speak to someone like this would be scary, especially knowing when you're making a mistake but can't do anything about it. Like your brain and mouth are completely disconnected.
same here. i'll be surprised if i start outputting before year 10
5 years without output is insane. I went to Japan twice within my first 3 years
Did you study pitch-accent as well?
Liva do you think having a anki deck for Tae Kim's is necessary or am i fine with just rereading chapters
I only did a sentence card deck from that book a long time ago, I stopped doing it after I finished the core 2k/6k, so a few years ago by now. Its fine to just revisit the chapters, recently I revisited a few myself and I can say that it soaks in like a sponge now compared to before.
Was anime your main input source? Or what did you use?
Lmao at the point about explaining what Anki is. Literally every time I talk with someone in French and tell them I learnt it in a few years, I always do the same monologue.
Wow, 20,000 words in 5 years! That's an average of over 10 words a day. That is insane
Bro imagine being able to call out a native speaker on their pitch accent 😳
is the song at the very beginning of the video in the description? i can't find it anywhere..
Yeah its in the description. If you google it the first result has a download to it. But if you cant find it here is a video: ruclips.net/video/DJDzkpAD1Fg/видео.html
How did you manage to have written conversations in japanese every day? Did you make a Japanese friend or did you use some service? Its kind of hard to make Japanese online friends when the time zones are so different you basically don't run into them online
I just chat with my Japanese friend via text in Japanese now that I've been chatting in English with for years.
16:54 I think the word you were looking for was troublesome
1:32 does somebody know who is this youtuber playing minecraft with jpn subs?????
That's me, it's not a video, just a demonstration of output I did lol
Algorithm please pick up livakivis content
Hello, can you provide some names for japanese youtubers as I'm struggling to find some good stuff. And thanks for the motivation.....its NEEDED 😂
I still want to keep it for a separate video, but I don't know if I have the time to make it this year considering the 2 big videos I still need to make 😭.
But in the end of 2021 QnA video I made, I did share some RUclipsrs, which you can check out.
@Livakivi hahaha that's understandable. I think it would be a good video to make.... showing the resources you use and how you actually learn. Like what exercises ect you do. I particularly struggle with this as I never really went to school and I don't know how to structure my learning.
PS: yes u will check that out. Thanks, again!
I wonder if he plans to live in Japan or not
What was the minecraft footage used near the start? Love your vids btw 😊
It was just my own recording and subtitles that imitated a scenario I had whilst outputting in the same world.
Hi
Hai
hi
💀💀when he asked about the dog and you had to explain what cheems is
なんぼのもんじゃいと見たら結構流暢に喋れててすごいね。
だったらキーボード探しに日本おいでよ。HHKBなんか日本に行けばいくらでも安値で買えるやろ（多分
RIP Cheems :'(
First
i dont know why. but for some reason i cant close your videos. i find myself enjoying at basic conversations and stuff... wich thats impressive as im a entertainment slut* when it comes to that.
*slut not in a bad way(i hope...)