I just recommend one thing - When adding effects/warmth etc, you should be doing an equal gain reduction to see if the effect is indeed helping your mix since simply being louder can be perceived as better to the ear. Example is your "warm Up Lows" having +3.43dB on the drive; I'd of done a +4 -4 gain reduction and tested that on off switch
He's already done all of that before. That's why he said he likes the preset the way it is with the gain addition but yes, if you are not used to a certain preset you should be fading it in and out of your mix to see if it truely gives you the best or desired effect.
"Being louder can perceived as better only by people with no knowledge of music and by people who have learnt to listen to mediocre music." That's not true at all. It's literally based on the physics of soundwaves. Different volumes are perceived with different frequency contours to every human ear.
@slynk The sub section of Serum has a bypass switch. If you click the "direct out" parameter the sub won't get distorted. I usually go a full on Sub channel too, but it's a good thing to know about, if you didn't already.
I realize that. But, in cases when you are bouncing down the audio, processing it and cutting it up etc, and adding in other sounds this is really the only decent way to get a sure fire solid sub. I was just using the serum preset as an example of a "crazy" bassline that you might have in a track.
This is great. I always split my bassline- and melody channels by frequency and just did some nullify testing in FL. It's almost impossible to do a perfect freq split with parametric EQs but you can use graphic EQs with fixed bands. EQUO works just fine and the stock multiband comp and Maximus are also completely in phase. Basically anything with a fixed Q setting will work.
Slynk's killing the YT Tut game. For everyone debating what waveform to use for a sub, a good trick I learnt, Say if you want your sub frequencies to hit at -12db (>80hz) AND want it harmonically rich, take an eq or auto filter and roll it back close to the root note (temporary to monitor). If A Sine is giving you -12db at 60hz (for ex) and a Saw is giving you -15db, at 60hz, up the gain of the saw wave till you get to -12db. From there I'll either use a smooth roll off at the end (keeping it below 120hz at the highest, or 80hz) or use a "high shelf" and lower the gain from 50 to 120hz (another example). By gain staging the "sub sub" with the "upper sub" you can dial in the gain of the "total sub" perfectly You'd be surprised at the amount of harmonics you can squeeze into 80hz and as long as the gain is where you want it for the root note, then by all means, use a more harmonically rich waveform. I've been getting some very predictable and awesome results with this method listening through a subwoofer. Production is a labor of love for me so if someone has a different opinion about this method, I'm all ears. Peace bitches
I just watched 2 of your tutorials in a row. Probably the best tutorials ive watched so far, and I've probably watched about 50 hours of tutorials now.
It didn't sound much different on my medium Yamaha speakers but when you put it in the mix, the Operator sub really filled in all the gaps and the pure sine wave was lost.
I made this video before I got a Subpac and I actually do my sub bass a lot different these days. If you check out my "french house bassline" tutorial you can get a better idea of how I do my subs now. It's a similar technique but it does sound a lot better.
Clicked this video cus I was afraid I was being bad by making my subs with extra harmonics [using different waveshapes instead of just using a sine].. specifically so I can hear it better on shitty systems or to give it a bit of growl.. I've heard people say that its bad or wrong for some reason but this video really set my mind at ease. Good work hackerman!
Hello Slynk, I would love to see more about chord creation and changing different chord structures as you did in a previous vid about big chords. maybe some other one note chords? love the channel!
I was ALWAYS wondering how to create this specific distorted sub-bass. So many songs have it and I kinda feel that all the wavetables from Massive don't sound like this, even though some "harmonic sines" or whatever have extra harmonics. Thank you so much man.
Ive listened to your music for years now never knew you did these tutorials it randomly popped up as the next vid after some other tutorial i watched, anyways these are great thanks keep being dope!
Hey Slynk, just wanted to say I really appreciate the content. Your advice is really fresh and unique and I haven't heard it anywhere else before, unlike most production videos that would just tell you the same old stuff. I definitely will experiment with using the multiband for mixing in the future. Keep it up man
You were actually mistaken in the way that the 2 eq's crossover. The yellow circle that indicates frequency is already placed -3dB below unity so that when a low pass and high pass are placed on the same frequency, they cancel each other out. Placing one of the filters higher up would actually create a bump in frequencies, not remove a gap. Helpful video though, something I hadn't considered before.
+Epic501 yeah I actually tested this out after the video and noticed there was a boost rather than a dip. But the message is the same, it is coloring your sound in an unwanted way. You want it to be as transparent as possible. That is the goal. Thanks for your comment :)
This is super helpful. I was wondering why my "bass" sounds were so flat. I'm a total newbie and I can't believe the life this has brought to my tracks!
6:05 A little tip if you’re watching this video. The multiband compressor uses 24db filters for its frequency splitting. So instead of using the multiband compressor for your frequency splitting you can just put two 12band filters on the same frequency in EQ 8 and it will give you the exact same effect.
i'm a FL user and this works with every f%ckin daw. I mean, if u really pay atention to what he did it works really and it's super useful. Even i discover by my own that triangle works better with shitty speakers but this confirm what i was doin so.. guys seriously, this right here is a big one. Thx cus this means to much to the producers community ♥
First of all, im now suscribed to your channel. Im sad about all that small channels in youtube that they're hard to found. But luckily for me the collab alliance (wich i knew as i watch all seamlessR videos) made me find your channel as well as mr bill and tom cosm ones. So thanks for your informative and enjoyable videos and forgive my non-decent english
Good video! I've been using eq8 but this is a pretty sweet idea, I picked up something over time, if you put your subs side-chain before your EQ you'll get rid of any clicks or pops caused by the side-chain
Thanks for another great tutorial! Nice and relaxed, yet really informative and well explained. I would love to see you do a tutorial on the resonator plugin from Ableton at some point please.
Duude cam looks so tight! Thanks for the lesson. There's probably others out there but would love to see you breakdown the Multiband Dynamics tool in depth... you seem to use it a lot and it kind of escapes me :p Was also curious if you use the Groove pool in non-glitch-hop-y type songs to keep it human or only when you need that swing? Last request would be working with synthesized horns w/o it sounding totally fake. You the man, Slynk!
simplest fattest way to make a bass that translates to many systems. fuckin tight and that multiband trick as genius too. earned urself another sub BOIIIIII
Great tutorial, but I'd like to add one crucial piece of info why it's good to avoid a pure sinusoid in your sub-bass! Psychoacoustics!! Rich harmonic content in the bass will lead listeners to perceive the fundamental frequency (technically the first harmonic in harmonic analysis or the 'zeroth' overtone). Phenomenon of the missing fundamental.
Great man super helpful and clear video. Could you explain here a little more detailed, the steps you did to set up properly that Multiband Dynamics device? Its not that it isnt clear in the video, just a bit quick the part of setting up the 3 bands in each of the two tracks to properly work together. Anyway great tutotrial keep it up!
Awesome tutorial man thanks a lot!! I make dark tech house music, and this tips will rock the bass on my tunes, i was always using the eq8 instead of the mb and using sines for subs. always wondering how to give them more strength. Your teaching is dope.
another super rad sub technique i came across in a steve duda interview is actually just slapping a massive lowpass at 120hz on the master and listen to just what your near-finished track outputs in the sub range. while it's important how it interplays with the high frequency elements, a lot of problems, such as, for instance, kick/sub clashing etc can be eliminated by just making it easy for yourself and not having to pick out those issues from behind a huge wall of sound. :)
I think that works well if you have a well treated studio and quality speakers so you can hear everything really well in the low spectrum. You ears can potentially deceive you otherwise.
ah, that might very well be true. sort of unrelated, but do you have any advice on how to 'clean' mixes? i've getting feedback along the lines of 'clean this up and it will sell' and similar iterations on my tracks and i'm at a bit of a loss as to what i'm actually expected to do to make them sound better. i've got my sidechain set up, highpassing at 30hz, taking out low stereo, sufficient--i think--expansion/mbc on the highs, little to know frequency clashing; i can still tell something is wrong, but i absolutely don't know how to go on about it. thanks :)
It's hard to say without looking at the project myself. But my best advice would be to drag in a song of a similar genre that you really like and compare your mixdown with the reference track and try to identify problems, then try your best to fix the problems and make it sound as punchy/loud/phat as the reference song.
+Slynk ah yes, i've been meaning to look into how to use reference tracks to my advantage but i could never quite figure it out. guess i'll go try again :p thanks for the replies man
You have some of the best video tutorials on Ableton. Yea, I have seen many. Good sound, light, clean, clear to the point, plus interesting. Now all ya need is a few sheets of plywood 8'x4' on end, hinges so you can fold it up, painted white. Put a add in the paper for a spray can artist. Have him do a downtown New York high rise buildings (faded so you stand out in the camera) You have all the other goodies. Hell, like your on TV! Your movin up in the world Bro! Clooel, Dude
Hey Slynk! Thank you very much for this info. I have always been listening to songs and thinking this is what they probably do but finally someone put this info out there. Awesome tutorial! Also, could you tell me a bit about your sidechaining? What sort of threshold and ratios you typically use? As far as next tutorials, some awesome strange sounds/tricks with Serum would be great.
Just added 2 triangles on top of the 2 sine waves in sylenth to my sub patch and I've never heard my sub frequency sound so fat on my shitty speakers aka THANK YOU
dude amazing video.. will u make a video on a "heavy bass resample" (like this videos serum presets ect) but go through the mix down effect processing part, to achieve the sub mix and still works with the resampled bass? but yeah again amazing.. definitly following u now?
first off love ur tutorials man! super helpful. If you ever get a chance id love to see if you know how justin martin and Ardalan make there 808/subby basses! Thanks!
I just recommend one thing - When adding effects/warmth etc, you should be doing an equal gain reduction to see if the effect is indeed helping your mix since simply being louder can be perceived as better to the ear. Example is your "warm Up Lows" having +3.43dB on the drive; I'd of done a +4 -4 gain reduction and tested that on off switch
1 I understand what you're saying but I'm referring to monitoring pre vs post processing changes accurately
He's already done all of that before. That's why he said he likes the preset the way it is with the gain addition but yes, if you are not used to a certain preset you should be fading it in and out of your mix to see if it truely gives you the best or desired effect.
"Being louder can perceived as better only by people with no knowledge of music and by people who have learnt to listen to mediocre music."
That's not true at all. It's literally based on the physics of soundwaves. Different volumes are perceived with different frequency contours to every human ear.
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@slynk The sub section of Serum has a bypass switch. If you click the "direct out" parameter the sub won't get distorted. I usually go a full on Sub channel too, but it's a good thing to know about, if you didn't already.
I realize that. But, in cases when you are bouncing down the audio, processing it and cutting it up etc, and adding in other sounds this is really the only decent way to get a sure fire solid sub. I was just using the serum preset as an example of a "crazy" bassline that you might have in a track.
Magic :)
You should go harder on the deEsser though. He's notching the resonance frequency (range)
You said sub so many times that I had to sub.
Suber cool.
lmfao its working then
+Pesco sub sub sub sub sub
subliminal
*sub* limital messages
This is great. I always split my bassline- and melody channels by frequency and just did some nullify testing in FL. It's almost impossible to do a perfect freq split with parametric EQs but you can use graphic EQs with fixed bands. EQUO works just fine and the stock multiband comp and Maximus are also completely in phase. Basically anything with a fixed Q setting will work.
neat!
BlackAera that's really a good piece of info
cool idea bout the multiband
agreed
That was very interesting. I've seen people using a seperate sub before, but no one played with the harmonics yet. Great job !
This is more helpful than some of those meme tutorials that get tonnes of views. Subbed!
Slynk's killing the YT Tut game. For everyone debating what waveform to use for a sub, a good trick I learnt, Say if you want your sub frequencies to hit at -12db (>80hz) AND want it harmonically rich, take an eq or auto filter and roll it back close to the root note (temporary to monitor). If A Sine is giving you -12db at 60hz (for ex) and a Saw is giving you -15db, at 60hz, up the gain of the saw wave till you get to -12db.
From there I'll either use a smooth roll off at the end (keeping it below 120hz at the highest, or 80hz) or use a "high shelf" and lower the gain from 50 to 120hz (another example). By gain staging the "sub sub" with the "upper sub" you can dial in the gain of the "total sub" perfectly You'd be surprised at the amount of harmonics you can squeeze into 80hz and as long as the gain is where you want it for the root note, then by all means, use a more harmonically rich waveform.
I've been getting some very predictable and awesome results with this method listening through a subwoofer. Production is a labor of love for me so if someone has a different opinion about this method, I'm all ears.
Peace bitches
Nice demonstration of wave shapes and sub action. Thanks.
I just watched 2 of your tutorials in a row. Probably the best tutorials ive watched so far, and I've probably watched about 50 hours of tutorials now.
One of the greatest ableton tutorials out there
the multiband filtering tip is really good!!
It didn't sound much different on my medium Yamaha speakers but when you put it in the mix, the Operator sub really filled in all the gaps and the pure sine wave was lost.
I made this video before I got a Subpac and I actually do my sub bass a lot different these days. If you check out my "french house bassline" tutorial you can get a better idea of how I do my subs now. It's a similar technique but it does sound a lot better.
Thank you for this tutorial. It helped me a lot with my basses.🙏
Clicked this video cus I was afraid I was being bad by making my subs with extra harmonics [using different waveshapes instead of just using a sine].. specifically so I can hear it better on shitty systems or to give it a bit of growl.. I've heard people say that its bad or wrong for some reason but this video really set my mind at ease. Good work hackerman!
Hello Slynk, I would love to see more about chord creation and changing different chord structures as you did in a previous vid about big chords. maybe some other one note chords? love the channel!
Yeah I'd like to do more videos about chords as well. Stay tuned :)
Great series from what I've watched so far. You really know this program well and you do a great job teaching it. Thanks for putting these online.
Thanks for the nice comment!
Thanks for creating these tutorials! Best electronic music tutorials i've seen online. A pleasure to watch.
great video, my dude. Just leveled up my 808 game so hard
Nice haha :)
I was ALWAYS wondering how to create this specific distorted sub-bass. So many songs have it and I kinda feel that all the wavetables from Massive don't sound like this, even though some "harmonic sines" or whatever have extra harmonics. Thank you so much man.
I'm glad you got something out of the video :)
you are the chillest dude ever. great vibe here. love all the tutorials. cheers!
+Julian Sauma aw thanks alot bud. More tutorial videos coming soon :)
Great tip. I noticed this technique but never really understood until now. Ill keep the "small speaker" mentality in mind
Ive listened to your music for years now never knew you did these tutorials it randomly popped up as the next vid after some other tutorial i watched, anyways these are great thanks keep being dope!
Hey Slynk, just wanted to say I really appreciate the content. Your advice is really fresh and unique and I haven't heard it anywhere else before, unlike most production videos that would just tell you the same old stuff. I definitely will experiment with using the multiband for mixing in the future. Keep it up man
Thanks for watching mate. Glad you learned something :)
You were actually mistaken in the way that the 2 eq's crossover. The yellow circle that indicates frequency is already placed -3dB below unity so that when a low pass and high pass are placed on the same frequency, they cancel each other out. Placing one of the filters higher up would actually create a bump in frequencies, not remove a gap.
Helpful video though, something I hadn't considered before.
+Epic501 yeah I actually tested this out after the video and noticed there was a boost rather than a dip. But the message is the same, it is coloring your sound in an unwanted way. You want it to be as transparent as possible. That is the goal. Thanks for your comment :)
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Thanks, I love this! I have always wondered about how to get that sub sound to even be audible on low end speakers.
Ive only watched two of your videos and learned so much already! Thank you!
That multiband dynamics tricks ! wow thanks
This is super helpful. I was wondering why my "bass" sounds were so flat. I'm a total newbie and I can't believe the life this has brought to my tracks!
6:05 A little tip if you’re watching this video. The multiband compressor uses 24db filters for its frequency splitting. So instead of using the multiband compressor for your frequency splitting you can just put two 12band filters on the same frequency in EQ 8 and it will give you the exact same effect.
i'm a FL user and this works with every f%ckin daw. I mean, if u really pay atention to what he did it works really and it's super useful. Even i discover by my own that triangle works better with shitty speakers but this confirm what i was doin so.. guys seriously, this right here is a big one. Thx cus this means to much to the producers community ♥
Using an audio effect rack with this technique is helpful, since you can more easily adjust the level of both bass tracks.
First of all, im now suscribed to your channel. Im sad about all that small channels in youtube that they're hard to found. But luckily for me the collab alliance (wich i knew as i watch all seamlessR videos) made me find your channel as well as mr bill and tom cosm ones. So thanks for your informative and enjoyable videos and forgive my non-decent english
Cool mutliband dynamics trick never thought of that
Good video! I've been using eq8 but this is a pretty sweet idea, I picked up something over time, if you put your subs side-chain before your EQ you'll get rid of any clicks or pops caused by the side-chain
Yep. Check out my tutorial on Sidechain Compression. ruclips.net/video/unNt0ZWN0yE/видео.html
Ok. Well thanks for watching this video.
+Slynk bit more humble, you'll get there
Thanks for another great tutorial! Nice and relaxed, yet really informative and well explained. I would love to see you do a tutorial on the resonator plugin from Ableton at some point please.
My basses werent sounding as powerful as other producers and I couldn't figure out why. Thanks for this tutorial it helped a ton!
You make things look so easy. Nice tutorial, yup I’m subscribing!
I Really love, When you Jam out With your keyboard.. !!
RESPECT :D
Great videos. Thanks for sharing useful and unique tips. You always make me think and learn something new
Oh yes, I'll be trying this! Thank you forever!!!! You have changed my sound for good.
thank you man this made my dubstep track sound much better
Duude cam looks so tight! Thanks for the lesson. There's probably others out there but would love to see you breakdown the Multiband Dynamics tool in depth... you seem to use it a lot and it kind of escapes me :p Was also curious if you use the Groove pool in non-glitch-hop-y type songs to keep it human or only when you need that swing? Last request would be working with synthesized horns w/o it sounding totally fake. You the man, Slynk!
simplest fattest way to make a bass that translates to many systems. fuckin tight and that multiband trick as genius too. earned urself another sub BOIIIIII
thanks a ton man. been struggling with this for a bit now
+Anthony Barrett glad you liked it
When you get a drop between your high cut or low cut frequencies - that was the Q is for on an EQ (to boast the inbetween)
Nice one. Look forward to seeing more of these.
Great tutorial, but I'd like to add one crucial piece of info why it's good to avoid a pure sinusoid in your sub-bass! Psychoacoustics!! Rich harmonic content in the bass will lead listeners to perceive the fundamental frequency (technically the first harmonic in harmonic analysis or the 'zeroth' overtone). Phenomenon of the missing fundamental.
Ableton and DSP Tutorials how did we get by without computer DAW ;)
Great man super helpful and clear video. Could you explain here a little more detailed, the steps you did to set up properly that Multiband Dynamics device? Its not that it isnt clear in the video, just a bit quick the part of setting up the 3 bands in each of the two tracks to properly work together. Anyway great tutotrial keep it up!
If I'm not mistaken it's important to line up the waveforms with the sub and bass line, and kick if possible.
good video... just put it on pratice and it just work in my track. thanks
Awesome tutorial man thanks a lot!!
I make dark tech house music, and this tips will rock the bass on my tunes, i was always using the eq8 instead of the mb and using sines for subs. always wondering how to give them more strength.
Your teaching is dope.
Great Vid Slyn! I'd love some sound design tutorials (Serum/Massive/general techniques) since I'm always stuck with using presets.
+NanoStorm thanks for the suggestion. I'll try do a few more like that :)
Slynk Cheers bud :)
very helpful, thanks slynk!
What a sick trick dude, thank u, help me a lot. Tks from Brazil!!!
This technique works great.
finally some decent and pretty simple explanation for sub bass in ableton! how the hell i didn't find this video earlier.. thanks!!
Another awesome tutorial, thanks man
Slynk..you are one funky mo do, man. Thank you for sharing these techniques.
No problem mate!
great tutorial mate, thanks
Nice vid! Definitely a cool technique to start using
another super rad sub technique i came across in a steve duda interview is actually just slapping a massive lowpass at 120hz on the master and listen to just what your near-finished track outputs in the sub range. while it's important how it interplays with the high frequency elements, a lot of problems, such as, for instance, kick/sub clashing etc can be eliminated by just making it easy for yourself and not having to pick out those issues from behind a huge wall of sound. :)
I think that works well if you have a well treated studio and quality speakers so you can hear everything really well in the low spectrum. You ears can potentially deceive you otherwise.
ah, that might very well be true.
sort of unrelated, but do you have any advice on how to 'clean' mixes? i've getting feedback along the lines of 'clean this up and it will sell' and similar iterations on my tracks and i'm at a bit of a loss as to what i'm actually expected to do to make them sound better. i've got my sidechain set up, highpassing at 30hz, taking out low stereo, sufficient--i think--expansion/mbc on the highs, little to know frequency clashing; i can still tell something is wrong, but i absolutely don't know how to go on about it. thanks :)
It's hard to say without looking at the project myself. But my best advice would be to drag in a song of a similar genre that you really like and compare your mixdown with the reference track and try to identify problems, then try your best to fix the problems and make it sound as punchy/loud/phat as the reference song.
+Slynk ah yes, i've been meaning to look into how to use reference tracks to my advantage but i could never quite figure it out. guess i'll go try again :p thanks for the replies man
Yeah, just try to identify the differences between your songs. Or you could take a reference song and try to recreate it which is a good practice.
Excellent tutorial.
Super helpful, thanks!
Awesome video, thank you a lot! :)
Cheers. Glad you like it :)
Awesome tutorial!!
You have some of the best video tutorials on Ableton. Yea, I have seen many.
Good sound, light, clean, clear to the point, plus interesting. Now all ya need is a few sheets of plywood 8'x4' on end, hinges so you can fold it up, painted white. Put a add in the paper for a spray can artist. Have him do a downtown New York high rise buildings (faded so you stand out in the camera) You have all the other goodies. Hell, like your on TV!
Your movin up in the world Bro!
Clooel, Dude
GOD BLESS PAPA SLYNK!
Great video placement!
Totally amazing, helped me so much! Thank you!
I love that little song you improvised followed by your Note pun lmao Thanks for this tutorial < 3
I'm glad you NOTICED that ;)
this tutorial is helped so much. thank you slynk!!!!!
Sweet tutorial! Thank you so much!
Great video man, would love to see more :)
love this tutorial thanks
Awesome, learning a tonne from your channel
Great tutorial and video, thank you! Subscribed.
Thanks for sharing this brother!
Great Tutorial - thanks for the insight!
Hey Slynk! Thank you very much for this info. I have always been listening to songs and thinking this is what they probably do but finally someone put this info out there. Awesome tutorial! Also, could you tell me a bit about your sidechaining? What sort of threshold and ratios you typically use? As far as next tutorials, some awesome strange sounds/tricks with Serum would be great.
great video Slynk!
+Mark ass trick thanks!
Great videos my dude. Keep it up!
Very helpful. Thank you
I've never smashed the 'sub'scribe button so hard; awesome tutorial Evan!
Great teacher, Great tutorial!
Big help, thx man.
Just added 2 triangles on top of the 2 sine waves in sylenth to my sub patch and I've never heard my sub frequency sound so fat on my shitty speakers aka THANK YOU
Great tutorial. thank you. helped me much
thanks brotha, super dope info as always!!
Great tutorial dude!
Great tutorial!
I love this helpful tutorial ! Thank you very much indeed! Slynk
dude amazing video.. will u make a video on a "heavy bass resample" (like this videos serum presets ect) but go through the mix down effect processing part, to achieve the sub mix and still works with the resampled bass? but yeah again amazing.. definitly following u now?
Nice one Slync!
really nice idea, thanks for sharing.
Thanx a lot! Very helpful!
great vibe Slynk:) thanks
Thanks man thats awesome
Thanks man, a lot of useful info!
first off love ur tutorials man! super helpful. If you ever get a chance id love to see if you know how justin martin and Ardalan make there 808/subby basses!
Thanks!