@slynk The sub section of Serum has a bypass switch. If you click the "direct out" parameter the sub won't get distorted. I usually go a full on Sub channel too, but it's a good thing to know about, if you didn't already.
I realize that. But, in cases when you are bouncing down the audio, processing it and cutting it up etc, and adding in other sounds this is really the only decent way to get a sure fire solid sub. I was just using the serum preset as an example of a "crazy" bassline that you might have in a track.
I just recommend one thing - When adding effects/warmth etc, you should be doing an equal gain reduction to see if the effect is indeed helping your mix since simply being louder can be perceived as better to the ear. Example is your "warm Up Lows" having +3.43dB on the drive; I'd of done a +4 -4 gain reduction and tested that on off switch
He's already done all of that before. That's why he said he likes the preset the way it is with the gain addition but yes, if you are not used to a certain preset you should be fading it in and out of your mix to see if it truely gives you the best or desired effect.
"Being louder can perceived as better only by people with no knowledge of music and by people who have learnt to listen to mediocre music." That's not true at all. It's literally based on the physics of soundwaves. Different volumes are perceived with different frequency contours to every human ear.
This is great. I always split my bassline- and melody channels by frequency and just did some nullify testing in FL. It's almost impossible to do a perfect freq split with parametric EQs but you can use graphic EQs with fixed bands. EQUO works just fine and the stock multiband comp and Maximus are also completely in phase. Basically anything with a fixed Q setting will work.
I just watched 2 of your tutorials in a row. Probably the best tutorials ive watched so far, and I've probably watched about 50 hours of tutorials now.
Hello Slynk, I would love to see more about chord creation and changing different chord structures as you did in a previous vid about big chords. maybe some other one note chords? love the channel!
another super rad sub technique i came across in a steve duda interview is actually just slapping a massive lowpass at 120hz on the master and listen to just what your near-finished track outputs in the sub range. while it's important how it interplays with the high frequency elements, a lot of problems, such as, for instance, kick/sub clashing etc can be eliminated by just making it easy for yourself and not having to pick out those issues from behind a huge wall of sound. :)
I think that works well if you have a well treated studio and quality speakers so you can hear everything really well in the low spectrum. You ears can potentially deceive you otherwise.
ah, that might very well be true. sort of unrelated, but do you have any advice on how to 'clean' mixes? i've getting feedback along the lines of 'clean this up and it will sell' and similar iterations on my tracks and i'm at a bit of a loss as to what i'm actually expected to do to make them sound better. i've got my sidechain set up, highpassing at 30hz, taking out low stereo, sufficient--i think--expansion/mbc on the highs, little to know frequency clashing; i can still tell something is wrong, but i absolutely don't know how to go on about it. thanks :)
It's hard to say without looking at the project myself. But my best advice would be to drag in a song of a similar genre that you really like and compare your mixdown with the reference track and try to identify problems, then try your best to fix the problems and make it sound as punchy/loud/phat as the reference song.
+Slynk ah yes, i've been meaning to look into how to use reference tracks to my advantage but i could never quite figure it out. guess i'll go try again :p thanks for the replies man
It didn't sound much different on my medium Yamaha speakers but when you put it in the mix, the Operator sub really filled in all the gaps and the pure sine wave was lost.
I made this video before I got a Subpac and I actually do my sub bass a lot different these days. If you check out my "french house bassline" tutorial you can get a better idea of how I do my subs now. It's a similar technique but it does sound a lot better.
Slynk's killing the YT Tut game. For everyone debating what waveform to use for a sub, a good trick I learnt, Say if you want your sub frequencies to hit at -12db (>80hz) AND want it harmonically rich, take an eq or auto filter and roll it back close to the root note (temporary to monitor). If A Sine is giving you -12db at 60hz (for ex) and a Saw is giving you -15db, at 60hz, up the gain of the saw wave till you get to -12db. From there I'll either use a smooth roll off at the end (keeping it below 120hz at the highest, or 80hz) or use a "high shelf" and lower the gain from 50 to 120hz (another example). By gain staging the "sub sub" with the "upper sub" you can dial in the gain of the "total sub" perfectly You'd be surprised at the amount of harmonics you can squeeze into 80hz and as long as the gain is where you want it for the root note, then by all means, use a more harmonically rich waveform. I've been getting some very predictable and awesome results with this method listening through a subwoofer. Production is a labor of love for me so if someone has a different opinion about this method, I'm all ears. Peace bitches
6:05 A little tip if you’re watching this video. The multiband compressor uses 24db filters for its frequency splitting. So instead of using the multiband compressor for your frequency splitting you can just put two 12band filters on the same frequency in EQ 8 and it will give you the exact same effect.
You were actually mistaken in the way that the 2 eq's crossover. The yellow circle that indicates frequency is already placed -3dB below unity so that when a low pass and high pass are placed on the same frequency, they cancel each other out. Placing one of the filters higher up would actually create a bump in frequencies, not remove a gap. Helpful video though, something I hadn't considered before.
+Epic501 yeah I actually tested this out after the video and noticed there was a boost rather than a dip. But the message is the same, it is coloring your sound in an unwanted way. You want it to be as transparent as possible. That is the goal. Thanks for your comment :)
Great man super helpful and clear video. Could you explain here a little more detailed, the steps you did to set up properly that Multiband Dynamics device? Its not that it isnt clear in the video, just a bit quick the part of setting up the 3 bands in each of the two tracks to properly work together. Anyway great tutotrial keep it up!
I was ALWAYS wondering how to create this specific distorted sub-bass. So many songs have it and I kinda feel that all the wavetables from Massive don't sound like this, even though some "harmonic sines" or whatever have extra harmonics. Thank you so much man.
Good video! I've been using eq8 but this is a pretty sweet idea, I picked up something over time, if you put your subs side-chain before your EQ you'll get rid of any clicks or pops caused by the side-chain
Duude cam looks so tight! Thanks for the lesson. There's probably others out there but would love to see you breakdown the Multiband Dynamics tool in depth... you seem to use it a lot and it kind of escapes me :p Was also curious if you use the Groove pool in non-glitch-hop-y type songs to keep it human or only when you need that swing? Last request would be working with synthesized horns w/o it sounding totally fake. You the man, Slynk!
Hey Slynk, just wanted to say I really appreciate the content. Your advice is really fresh and unique and I haven't heard it anywhere else before, unlike most production videos that would just tell you the same old stuff. I definitely will experiment with using the multiband for mixing in the future. Keep it up man
Clicked this video cus I was afraid I was being bad by making my subs with extra harmonics [using different waveshapes instead of just using a sine].. specifically so I can hear it better on shitty systems or to give it a bit of growl.. I've heard people say that its bad or wrong for some reason but this video really set my mind at ease. Good work hackerman!
First of all, im now suscribed to your channel. Im sad about all that small channels in youtube that they're hard to found. But luckily for me the collab alliance (wich i knew as i watch all seamlessR videos) made me find your channel as well as mr bill and tom cosm ones. So thanks for your informative and enjoyable videos and forgive my non-decent english
Ive listened to your music for years now never knew you did these tutorials it randomly popped up as the next vid after some other tutorial i watched, anyways these are great thanks keep being dope!
Thanks for another great tutorial! Nice and relaxed, yet really informative and well explained. I would love to see you do a tutorial on the resonator plugin from Ableton at some point please.
dude amazing video.. will u make a video on a "heavy bass resample" (like this videos serum presets ect) but go through the mix down effect processing part, to achieve the sub mix and still works with the resampled bass? but yeah again amazing.. definitly following u now?
Nice tutorial. I was surprised you didn't bring up phase. I wonder, can you change the waveform phase in operator? When layering bass sounds, lead sound with some bass too, it is very important to get the phase right. Anyway cheers!
I think phasing is only a big problem when you have 2 oscillators playing "almost" the same note. In this tutorial the notes are an octave apart so I don't think it's anything to worry about.
Awesome tutorial man thanks a lot!! I make dark tech house music, and this tips will rock the bass on my tunes, i was always using the eq8 instead of the mb and using sines for subs. always wondering how to give them more strength. Your teaching is dope.
i'm a FL user and this works with every f%ckin daw. I mean, if u really pay atention to what he did it works really and it's super useful. Even i discover by my own that triangle works better with shitty speakers but this confirm what i was doin so.. guys seriously, this right here is a big one. Thx cus this means to much to the producers community ♥
This is super helpful. I was wondering why my "bass" sounds were so flat. I'm a total newbie and I can't believe the life this has brought to my tracks!
Hey Slynk! Thank you very much for this info. I have always been listening to songs and thinking this is what they probably do but finally someone put this info out there. Awesome tutorial! Also, could you tell me a bit about your sidechaining? What sort of threshold and ratios you typically use? As far as next tutorials, some awesome strange sounds/tricks with Serum would be great.
Great video, and the best accent ever. Curious if you'd be willing to do a really simple and quick tutorial to show how Ableton is able to Punch-In on a Midi track in the Session View. I'm starting to think it's not possible. To clarify: A clip in the session view that already has Midi notes recorded in them, but would like to record over a section to clean up some performance mistakes. I'm coming from Pro Tools, and this is the easiest thing to do, yet I can't figure it out in Ableton. Great program, but they've got a long way to go. Also, I'd like to do some demo's myself. Are you using Camtasia? And are you just showing demo's of projects that are in 44.1khz? Seems Camtasia has a long way to go too, lacking native support of standard sample rates and bit depths. Thanks
I'm not sure about the midi punch-in. I know you can either add notes to an existing midi clip OR overwrite the clip completely. Open your info box (bottom left) and mouse over the controls center top near the play/stop/record buttons. That's where you'll find the midi record options I believe. I record with OBS and edit with Premier. I used to use Camtasia and I agree, it sucks.
simplest fattest way to make a bass that translates to many systems. fuckin tight and that multiband trick as genius too. earned urself another sub BOIIIIII
Great tutorial, but I'd like to add one crucial piece of info why it's good to avoid a pure sinusoid in your sub-bass! Psychoacoustics!! Rich harmonic content in the bass will lead listeners to perceive the fundamental frequency (technically the first harmonic in harmonic analysis or the 'zeroth' overtone). Phenomenon of the missing fundamental.
I put the multiband dynamics with those settings before my eq of my bass, but it still shows some high frequencies (up to 10k) being played. What am I doing wrong?
I suppose you could do a similar thing in Massive. Just follow the steps and appply them to Massive. Should be pretty easy. Why are you watching Ableton Tutorials if you don't use Ableton? :P
first off love ur tutorials man! super helpful. If you ever get a chance id love to see if you know how justin martin and Ardalan make there 808/subby basses! Thanks!
Splitting the sub frequencies with the EQ Three from Ableton instead of the Multiband Dynamics seems to be slightly more precise. That's what I found out looking at the equalizer.
thanks for the tutorial I learned a bunch but how the heck do you add the Side Chain plugin?? My sine sounds better than my triangle too :/ maybe I have the wrong octave
Nitpicky time :P Wouldn't it be cleaner to set the sidechain before the multiband to deal with the distortion from the sidechain? It's almost nonexistent but still.
Yes, I normally do that. But since I'm using the Live 8 Legacy version of the compressor, I'm completely avoiding the clicks so I don't think much would change.
I can hear some type of click or something when it's soloed. How much difference it makes in the mix I have no idea. Regardless not using a pure sine wave as a sub is a really great tip. I recently listened to a track which some claimed lacked bass, it didn't it just used a huge sine wave, that track hurt my ears :( Hopefully I don't come across as a know-it-all, I really like all of your videos you've posted so far.
No no, it's a fair comment. Like I said, if you are using the Live 8 Compressor you won't have the clicking issue, or it will be a lot less noticeable. But yeah, you are right, you can completely avoid any trace of a side chain click by putting the side chainer before the multiband compressor.
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Hey dude this is great, thanks as usual! Quick question - at 7:40 I get what you are doing 100% and why you would use the multiband dynamics over the EQ8 for its crossovers, I just dont follow why you are turning off the highs (and engaging the lows) on the compressor to do the opposite of what you did on the sub? Wouldn't turning off the highs and soloing the mids effectively be creating a bandpass filter, or am I missing something? Thanks again.
Nevermind haha- I see it just splits the signal one less time by doing that huh (creating a mid+high)? I was thinking of the filters incorrectly I guess.
Best way to split frequencies ( sub and mid/high ) is using a linear phase EQ ( Fabfilter get a linear phase mode ) , multiband compressor is quite good and fast but for high quality linear phase is top notch.
As far as i know the EQ8 is not linear phase and there is not "switch mode" to do this . By analysing wave form while cutting frequencies we can tell it's not linear . In fact there are few linear phase eq plugins and they are CPU expensive , that's why using the multiband compressor is good , it's fast and better than a simple EQ , but it's good to know thats it's not the BEST way . Cheers
Yeah, I just find filters have unpredictable results on the overall volume of the sound so the way I do it here is an attempt to maintain the most amount of control.
dude, you say that with Sine Wave in massive-big Festivals-clubs, you can apreciate the sub bass very well. But if I use your configuration of Sub bass with more armonics I can apreciate it in my studio, but the song in a big festival with high profesional equipment, will be sound too armonic and not like a real subbase?
Actually high and low pass filters should take away 3dB at the set frequency. Separated lows and highs mixed back together should then equal 0dB at that same point.
I have a problem with 808 sub. They seem to hit hard and low at certain keys and some keys are just not hitting. Is it because of the mixing or layering?
+Jon Nguyen they seem to be? Have you checked with a spectrum analyzer? Your speakers and room could be resonating and phasing the bass causing this effect while the signal is fine.
How about making a normal sine sub and add Maxx Bass by Waves at mastering the hole track. Would that also make the job? I'm asking cause it adds higher frequencies to the sub just like you did in creating the sub patch.
Maybe that would do the job, but who can afford the Waves Pack? That shit is so expensive. Just use native Ableton plugins and achieve the same outcome!
Hey Dude,first of all thanks for sharing the video it's awesome!I got a question about clicks and popping on operator,I've tried ADSR,EQ,Auto Filter and it's still there...Any suggestion?!
hey slynk! dope tips. wanted to ask why you didn't also unclick the sub as well in your mid frequencies bass in serum? does it even matter since you already eq the lows anyway. but does this make any difference at all keeping the sub part of a preset clicked or unclicked. i've tried a pad preset in serum and separated frequencies with eqing as you did here with the multiband compressor. i actually liked it. but just wanted to know if it makes any difference.
I recently got Zebra 2 (the whole pack). They have some awesome sounds in there, but there doesn't seem to be much in tutorials on how to modify the sounds or understand the modulators, effects and arpeggios. I've tried messing around with it but don't quite know how to change some of the sounds to what I'd like them to be. Do you have any experience with Zebra?
is there a multi-band dynamics equivalent in Logic Pro X? Because I know the multi-band compressor in Logic cannot wall cut frequencies that Slynk is showing. Cheers to anyone who knows!
Thanks bro! This thing sounds great but when I dropped it in a track I'm working on it has a click/pop right on the attack that I can't seem to get rid of. I've tried pushing the attack back and filtering the highs out but it's pretty prominent. Any suggestions? By the way Slynk you are my fkn hero man!! Spreadin the good word yo!!
So I just figured it out. It was coming from the Neutron compressor for some reason. I only had eally conservative setting on there but for some reason it was hating me and giving the pop on the attack. WTF??
@slynk The sub section of Serum has a bypass switch. If you click the "direct out" parameter the sub won't get distorted. I usually go a full on Sub channel too, but it's a good thing to know about, if you didn't already.
I realize that. But, in cases when you are bouncing down the audio, processing it and cutting it up etc, and adding in other sounds this is really the only decent way to get a sure fire solid sub. I was just using the serum preset as an example of a "crazy" bassline that you might have in a track.
Magic :)
You should go harder on the deEsser though. He's notching the resonance frequency (range)
I just recommend one thing - When adding effects/warmth etc, you should be doing an equal gain reduction to see if the effect is indeed helping your mix since simply being louder can be perceived as better to the ear. Example is your "warm Up Lows" having +3.43dB on the drive; I'd of done a +4 -4 gain reduction and tested that on off switch
1 I understand what you're saying but I'm referring to monitoring pre vs post processing changes accurately
He's already done all of that before. That's why he said he likes the preset the way it is with the gain addition but yes, if you are not used to a certain preset you should be fading it in and out of your mix to see if it truely gives you the best or desired effect.
"Being louder can perceived as better only by people with no knowledge of music and by people who have learnt to listen to mediocre music."
That's not true at all. It's literally based on the physics of soundwaves. Different volumes are perceived with different frequency contours to every human ear.
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That was very interesting. I've seen people using a seperate sub before, but no one played with the harmonics yet. Great job !
This is great. I always split my bassline- and melody channels by frequency and just did some nullify testing in FL. It's almost impossible to do a perfect freq split with parametric EQs but you can use graphic EQs with fixed bands. EQUO works just fine and the stock multiband comp and Maximus are also completely in phase. Basically anything with a fixed Q setting will work.
neat!
BlackAera that's really a good piece of info
I just watched 2 of your tutorials in a row. Probably the best tutorials ive watched so far, and I've probably watched about 50 hours of tutorials now.
Hello Slynk, I would love to see more about chord creation and changing different chord structures as you did in a previous vid about big chords. maybe some other one note chords? love the channel!
Yeah I'd like to do more videos about chords as well. Stay tuned :)
cool idea bout the multiband
agreed
another super rad sub technique i came across in a steve duda interview is actually just slapping a massive lowpass at 120hz on the master and listen to just what your near-finished track outputs in the sub range. while it's important how it interplays with the high frequency elements, a lot of problems, such as, for instance, kick/sub clashing etc can be eliminated by just making it easy for yourself and not having to pick out those issues from behind a huge wall of sound. :)
I think that works well if you have a well treated studio and quality speakers so you can hear everything really well in the low spectrum. You ears can potentially deceive you otherwise.
ah, that might very well be true.
sort of unrelated, but do you have any advice on how to 'clean' mixes? i've getting feedback along the lines of 'clean this up and it will sell' and similar iterations on my tracks and i'm at a bit of a loss as to what i'm actually expected to do to make them sound better. i've got my sidechain set up, highpassing at 30hz, taking out low stereo, sufficient--i think--expansion/mbc on the highs, little to know frequency clashing; i can still tell something is wrong, but i absolutely don't know how to go on about it. thanks :)
It's hard to say without looking at the project myself. But my best advice would be to drag in a song of a similar genre that you really like and compare your mixdown with the reference track and try to identify problems, then try your best to fix the problems and make it sound as punchy/loud/phat as the reference song.
+Slynk ah yes, i've been meaning to look into how to use reference tracks to my advantage but i could never quite figure it out. guess i'll go try again :p thanks for the replies man
Yeah, just try to identify the differences between your songs. Or you could take a reference song and try to recreate it which is a good practice.
It didn't sound much different on my medium Yamaha speakers but when you put it in the mix, the Operator sub really filled in all the gaps and the pure sine wave was lost.
I made this video before I got a Subpac and I actually do my sub bass a lot different these days. If you check out my "french house bassline" tutorial you can get a better idea of how I do my subs now. It's a similar technique but it does sound a lot better.
Slynk's killing the YT Tut game. For everyone debating what waveform to use for a sub, a good trick I learnt, Say if you want your sub frequencies to hit at -12db (>80hz) AND want it harmonically rich, take an eq or auto filter and roll it back close to the root note (temporary to monitor). If A Sine is giving you -12db at 60hz (for ex) and a Saw is giving you -15db, at 60hz, up the gain of the saw wave till you get to -12db.
From there I'll either use a smooth roll off at the end (keeping it below 120hz at the highest, or 80hz) or use a "high shelf" and lower the gain from 50 to 120hz (another example). By gain staging the "sub sub" with the "upper sub" you can dial in the gain of the "total sub" perfectly You'd be surprised at the amount of harmonics you can squeeze into 80hz and as long as the gain is where you want it for the root note, then by all means, use a more harmonically rich waveform.
I've been getting some very predictable and awesome results with this method listening through a subwoofer. Production is a labor of love for me so if someone has a different opinion about this method, I'm all ears.
Peace bitches
6:05 A little tip if you’re watching this video. The multiband compressor uses 24db filters for its frequency splitting. So instead of using the multiband compressor for your frequency splitting you can just put two 12band filters on the same frequency in EQ 8 and it will give you the exact same effect.
You were actually mistaken in the way that the 2 eq's crossover. The yellow circle that indicates frequency is already placed -3dB below unity so that when a low pass and high pass are placed on the same frequency, they cancel each other out. Placing one of the filters higher up would actually create a bump in frequencies, not remove a gap.
Helpful video though, something I hadn't considered before.
+Epic501 yeah I actually tested this out after the video and noticed there was a boost rather than a dip. But the message is the same, it is coloring your sound in an unwanted way. You want it to be as transparent as possible. That is the goal. Thanks for your comment :)
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You said sub so many times that I had to sub.
Suber cool.
lmfao its working then
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Nice demonstration of wave shapes and sub action. Thanks.
Great man super helpful and clear video. Could you explain here a little more detailed, the steps you did to set up properly that Multiband Dynamics device? Its not that it isnt clear in the video, just a bit quick the part of setting up the 3 bands in each of the two tracks to properly work together. Anyway great tutotrial keep it up!
I was ALWAYS wondering how to create this specific distorted sub-bass. So many songs have it and I kinda feel that all the wavetables from Massive don't sound like this, even though some "harmonic sines" or whatever have extra harmonics. Thank you so much man.
I'm glad you got something out of the video :)
Great series from what I've watched so far. You really know this program well and you do a great job teaching it. Thanks for putting these online.
Thanks for the nice comment!
Good video! I've been using eq8 but this is a pretty sweet idea, I picked up something over time, if you put your subs side-chain before your EQ you'll get rid of any clicks or pops caused by the side-chain
Yep. Check out my tutorial on Sidechain Compression. ruclips.net/video/unNt0ZWN0yE/видео.html
Ok. Well thanks for watching this video.
+Slynk bit more humble, you'll get there
This is more helpful than some of those meme tutorials that get tonnes of views. Subbed!
Duude cam looks so tight! Thanks for the lesson. There's probably others out there but would love to see you breakdown the Multiband Dynamics tool in depth... you seem to use it a lot and it kind of escapes me :p Was also curious if you use the Groove pool in non-glitch-hop-y type songs to keep it human or only when you need that swing? Last request would be working with synthesized horns w/o it sounding totally fake. You the man, Slynk!
Hey Slynk, just wanted to say I really appreciate the content. Your advice is really fresh and unique and I haven't heard it anywhere else before, unlike most production videos that would just tell you the same old stuff. I definitely will experiment with using the multiband for mixing in the future. Keep it up man
Thanks for watching mate. Glad you learned something :)
the multiband filtering tip is really good!!
Clicked this video cus I was afraid I was being bad by making my subs with extra harmonics [using different waveshapes instead of just using a sine].. specifically so I can hear it better on shitty systems or to give it a bit of growl.. I've heard people say that its bad or wrong for some reason but this video really set my mind at ease. Good work hackerman!
First of all, im now suscribed to your channel. Im sad about all that small channels in youtube that they're hard to found. But luckily for me the collab alliance (wich i knew as i watch all seamlessR videos) made me find your channel as well as mr bill and tom cosm ones. So thanks for your informative and enjoyable videos and forgive my non-decent english
One of the greatest ableton tutorials out there
Oh yes, I'll be trying this! Thank you forever!!!! You have changed my sound for good.
Great Vid Slyn! I'd love some sound design tutorials (Serum/Massive/general techniques) since I'm always stuck with using presets.
+NanoStorm thanks for the suggestion. I'll try do a few more like that :)
Slynk Cheers bud :)
thank you man this made my dubstep track sound much better
If I'm not mistaken it's important to line up the waveforms with the sub and bass line, and kick if possible.
Thanks, I love this! I have always wondered about how to get that sub sound to even be audible on low end speakers.
Thank you for this tutorial. It helped me a lot with my basses.🙏
Thanks for creating these tutorials! Best electronic music tutorials i've seen online. A pleasure to watch.
Great tip. I noticed this technique but never really understood until now. Ill keep the "small speaker" mentality in mind
you are the chillest dude ever. great vibe here. love all the tutorials. cheers!
+Julian Sauma aw thanks alot bud. More tutorial videos coming soon :)
Ive listened to your music for years now never knew you did these tutorials it randomly popped up as the next vid after some other tutorial i watched, anyways these are great thanks keep being dope!
Thanks for another great tutorial! Nice and relaxed, yet really informative and well explained. I would love to see you do a tutorial on the resonator plugin from Ableton at some point please.
dude amazing video.. will u make a video on a "heavy bass resample" (like this videos serum presets ect) but go through the mix down effect processing part, to achieve the sub mix and still works with the resampled bass? but yeah again amazing.. definitly following u now?
great video, my dude. Just leveled up my 808 game so hard
Nice haha :)
Using an audio effect rack with this technique is helpful, since you can more easily adjust the level of both bass tracks.
That multiband dynamics tricks ! wow thanks
Nice tutorial. I was surprised you didn't bring up phase. I wonder, can you change the waveform phase in operator?
When layering bass sounds, lead sound with some bass too, it is very important to get the phase right.
Anyway cheers!
I think phasing is only a big problem when you have 2 oscillators playing "almost" the same note. In this tutorial the notes are an octave apart so I don't think it's anything to worry about.
Awesome tutorial man thanks a lot!!
I make dark tech house music, and this tips will rock the bass on my tunes, i was always using the eq8 instead of the mb and using sines for subs. always wondering how to give them more strength.
Your teaching is dope.
i'm a FL user and this works with every f%ckin daw. I mean, if u really pay atention to what he did it works really and it's super useful. Even i discover by my own that triangle works better with shitty speakers but this confirm what i was doin so.. guys seriously, this right here is a big one. Thx cus this means to much to the producers community ♥
@slynk great video as usual, have you done the "full track in an hour" yet? can't find one if you have, keep the vids coming fella.
This is super helpful. I was wondering why my "bass" sounds were so flat. I'm a total newbie and I can't believe the life this has brought to my tracks!
When you get a drop between your high cut or low cut frequencies - that was the Q is for on an EQ (to boast the inbetween)
What a sick trick dude, thank u, help me a lot. Tks from Brazil!!!
could you maybe make a tutorial for a way to do this that could work in more than 1 daw? by using stuff like plugins and such?
Hey Slynk! Thank you very much for this info. I have always been listening to songs and thinking this is what they probably do but finally someone put this info out there. Awesome tutorial! Also, could you tell me a bit about your sidechaining? What sort of threshold and ratios you typically use? As far as next tutorials, some awesome strange sounds/tricks with Serum would be great.
Slynk..you are one funky mo do, man. Thank you for sharing these techniques.
No problem mate!
You make things look so easy. Nice tutorial, yup I’m subscribing!
Ive only watched two of your videos and learned so much already! Thank you!
My basses werent sounding as powerful as other producers and I couldn't figure out why. Thanks for this tutorial it helped a ton!
Awesome, learning a tonne from your channel
Great videos. Thanks for sharing useful and unique tips. You always make me think and learn something new
Great video, and the best accent ever. Curious if you'd be willing to do a really simple and quick tutorial to show how Ableton is able to Punch-In on a Midi track in the Session View. I'm starting to think it's not possible.
To clarify: A clip in the session view that already has Midi notes recorded in them, but would like to record over a section to clean up some performance mistakes. I'm coming from Pro Tools, and this is the easiest thing to do, yet I can't figure it out in Ableton. Great program, but they've got a long way to go.
Also, I'd like to do some demo's myself. Are you using Camtasia? And are you just showing demo's of projects that are in 44.1khz? Seems Camtasia has a long way to go too, lacking native support of standard sample rates and bit depths.
Thanks
I'm not sure about the midi punch-in. I know you can either add notes to an existing midi clip OR overwrite the clip completely. Open your info box (bottom left) and mouse over the controls center top near the play/stop/record buttons. That's where you'll find the midi record options I believe.
I record with OBS and edit with Premier. I used to use Camtasia and I agree, it sucks.
simplest fattest way to make a bass that translates to many systems. fuckin tight and that multiband trick as genius too. earned urself another sub BOIIIIII
Yo Slynk! Great vid, thank you! Nice quality on the tutorial. Mic sounds clean and the video is great. What is your camera set up?
It's just a Logitech C920 webcam.
Great tutorial, but I'd like to add one crucial piece of info why it's good to avoid a pure sinusoid in your sub-bass! Psychoacoustics!! Rich harmonic content in the bass will lead listeners to perceive the fundamental frequency (technically the first harmonic in harmonic analysis or the 'zeroth' overtone). Phenomenon of the missing fundamental.
Ableton and DSP Tutorials how did we get by without computer DAW ;)
Thanks alot this was very helpful
good video... just put it on pratice and it just work in my track. thanks
finally some decent and pretty simple explanation for sub bass in ableton! how the hell i didn't find this video earlier.. thanks!!
I put the multiband dynamics with those settings before my eq of my bass, but it still shows some high frequencies (up to 10k) being played. What am I doing wrong?
Do you have the multiband dynamics low band soloed? What is the lowest band set to? Should be about 120hz.
Cool mutliband dynamics trick never thought of that
thanks a ton man. been struggling with this for a bit now
+Anthony Barrett glad you liked it
this is dope, can you try make a massive patch like thus so people on other daws can use it aswell?
I suppose you could do a similar thing in Massive. Just follow the steps and appply them to Massive. Should be pretty easy. Why are you watching Ableton Tutorials if you don't use Ableton? :P
I use reaper but I still enjoy watching your tutorials, you demonstrate production well. Thanks and keep it up ;^D
Thanks :)
Slynk Im thinking of using both FL and Ableton, but techniques used in videos and knowledge is never a bad thing haha
first off love ur tutorials man! super helpful. If you ever get a chance id love to see if you know how justin martin and Ardalan make there 808/subby basses!
Thanks!
Splitting the sub frequencies with the EQ Three from Ableton instead of the Multiband Dynamics seems to be slightly more precise. That's what I found out looking at the equalizer.
+Gurux Music looking at a spectrum analyzer you mean? Interesting. I'll test this.
Yes, thanks for your tutorials.
When you add the Side Chain, what is exactly ducking the sub bass channel? Is it a kick drum?
thanks for the tutorial I learned a bunch but how the heck do you add the Side Chain plugin?? My sine sounds better than my triangle too :/ maybe I have the wrong octave
Nitpicky time :P
Wouldn't it be cleaner to set the sidechain before the multiband to deal with the distortion from the sidechain?
It's almost nonexistent but still.
Yes, I normally do that. But since I'm using the Live 8 Legacy version of the compressor, I'm completely avoiding the clicks so I don't think much would change.
I can hear some type of click or something when it's soloed. How much difference it makes in the mix I have no idea.
Regardless not using a pure sine wave as a sub is a really great tip. I recently listened to a track which some claimed lacked bass, it didn't it just used a huge sine wave, that track hurt my ears :(
Hopefully I don't come across as a know-it-all, I really like all of your videos you've posted so far.
No no, it's a fair comment. Like I said, if you are using the Live 8 Compressor you won't have the clicking issue, or it will be a lot less noticeable. But yeah, you are right, you can completely avoid any trace of a side chain click by putting the side chainer before the multiband compressor.
Nice one. Look forward to seeing more of these.
You have some of the best video tutorials on Ableton. Yea, I have seen many.
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Your movin up in the world Bro!
Clooel, Dude
Hey dude this is great, thanks as usual! Quick question - at 7:40 I get what you are doing 100% and why you would use the multiband dynamics over the EQ8 for its crossovers, I just dont follow why you are turning off the highs (and engaging the lows) on the compressor to do the opposite of what you did on the sub? Wouldn't turning off the highs and soloing the mids effectively be creating a bandpass filter, or am I missing something? Thanks again.
Nevermind haha- I see it just splits the signal one less time by doing that huh (creating a mid+high)? I was thinking of the filters incorrectly I guess.
+coldgettindumb that's exactly right. So instead of splitting it into 3 bands you're just splitting into 2 bands.
Yeah no doubt. Thanks for the response homie. Peace!
9:40 I have no idea what's going on Where did the SideChain channel come from and what notes are in that channel
not sure, but looks like a ghost kick to duck it
A video on Ableton's Multiband Compressor's preset OTT Please. Thanks
I'll see what I can do :)
+Slynk That'll be great. Thank you
hey would you put a subbassline, under 808's or would that be same frequency range
Best way to split frequencies ( sub and mid/high ) is using a linear phase EQ ( Fabfilter get a linear phase mode ) , multiband compressor is quite good and fast but for high quality linear phase is top notch.
I think you can do linear phase frequency splitting with stock ableton Utility and EQ8.
As far as i know the EQ8 is not linear phase and there is not "switch mode" to do this . By analysing wave form while cutting frequencies we can tell it's not linear .
In fact there are few linear phase eq plugins and they are CPU expensive , that's why using the multiband compressor is good , it's fast and better than a simple EQ , but it's good to know thats it's not the BEST way .
Cheers
@Slynk Why don't you just use a LP filter to remove the really high frequencies?
Yeah, I just find filters have unpredictable results on the overall volume of the sound so the way I do it here is an attempt to maintain the most amount of control.
I love that little song you improvised followed by your Note pun lmao Thanks for this tutorial < 3
I'm glad you NOTICED that ;)
dude, you say that with Sine Wave in massive-big Festivals-clubs, you can apreciate the sub bass very well. But if I use your configuration of Sub bass with more armonics I can apreciate it in my studio, but the song in a big festival with high profesional equipment, will be sound too armonic and not like a real subbase?
Actually high and low pass filters should take away 3dB at the set frequency. Separated lows and highs mixed back together should then equal 0dB at that same point.
nice one, keep em coming!! any tips for the sides and mids?
Sides and Mids for Sub bass? My tip would be, don't use stereo effects on the Sub and subs should stay in the low end, and not in the mids.
+Slynk not that i mean the rest of the bass
I have a 40min video on bass here: ruclips.net/video/iwWseHTw30w/видео.html
Great tutorial!
What software do you use so I can hear your voice clearly and your mix thru the headphones?
Nice vid! Definitely a cool technique to start using
Hey Slynk thanks for the great tutorial! I found this quite helpful. What are your thoughts on using an EQ'd sawtooth instead of a Triangle? Cheers
I prefer a square :D
I have a problem with 808 sub. They seem to hit hard and low at certain keys and some keys are just not hitting. Is it because of the mixing or layering?
+Jon Nguyen they seem to be? Have you checked with a spectrum analyzer? Your speakers and room could be resonating and phasing the bass causing this effect while the signal is fine.
How about making a normal sine sub and add Maxx Bass by Waves at mastering the hole track. Would that also make the job? I'm asking cause it adds higher frequencies to the sub just like you did in creating the sub patch.
Maybe that would do the job, but who can afford the Waves Pack? That shit is so expensive. Just use native Ableton plugins and achieve the same outcome!
Yeah. Of cause. Thanks for the great tutorial
Also Im trying this with a bassline that has one note that peaks above 120hz so I can't solo the mid. Any thoughts?
Hey Dude,first of all thanks for sharing the video it's awesome!I got a question about clicks and popping on operator,I've tried ADSR,EQ,Auto Filter and it's still there...Any suggestion?!
Lower your attack on the oscillator.
Hey Slynk. Can you do this with two instances of Serum or another VST or do you have to use operator for this?
hey slynk! dope tips. wanted to ask why you didn't also unclick the sub as well in your mid frequencies bass in serum? does it even matter since you already eq the lows anyway. but does this make any difference at all keeping the sub part of a preset clicked or unclicked. i've tried a pad preset in serum and separated frequencies with eqing as you did here with the multiband compressor. i actually liked it. but just wanted to know if it makes any difference.
I recently got Zebra 2 (the whole pack). They have some awesome sounds in there, but there doesn't seem to be much in tutorials on how to modify the sounds or understand the modulators, effects and arpeggios. I've tried messing around with it but don't quite know how to change some of the sounds to what I'd like them to be. Do you have any experience with Zebra?
Another awesome tutorial, thanks man
Great tutorial and video, thank you! Subscribed.
is there a multi-band dynamics equivalent in Logic Pro X? Because I know the multi-band compressor in Logic cannot wall cut frequencies that Slynk is showing. Cheers to anyone who knows!
I don't use logic, sorry.
very helpful, thanks slynk!
great tutorial mate, thanks
Thanks bro! This thing sounds great but when I dropped it in a track I'm working on it has a click/pop right on the attack that I can't seem to get rid of. I've tried pushing the attack back and filtering the highs out but it's pretty prominent. Any suggestions? By the way Slynk you are my fkn hero man!! Spreadin the good word yo!!
So I just figured it out. It was coming from the Neutron compressor for some reason. I only had eally conservative setting on there but for some reason it was hating me and giving the pop on the attack. WTF??