These Mistakes Were RUINING my Sub Bass!
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- Опубликовано: 14 апр 2022
- Fat sub bass is simpler than you think! (kinda)
The project file and presets: / buntingmusic
My site for lessons, samples, & tunes: www.buntingmusic.com/
From sound design, to arrangement, and mixing and mastering. Let's get your sub bass sounding right.
The first three harmonics are all that matter for true sub, the rest is heard, not felt.
Your sub can follow your sound design or do its own thing, your choice, but make sure to low-cut and have only one sub playing at a time!
When mixing and mastering, the sub's true peak and distortion introduced through clipping/limiting will decide its ultimate fatness.
To go the extra mile, get your kick levels close to your sub, tune them together then align the phases (which I may show in another video!)
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F0 is the strongest sub note on most systems
lowcutting the master around 27-30hz can further boost the sub
I’ve heard many producers due this, the cutting the super lows out of the master and I’m very hesitant to think this is a good idea. Eqing causes phase shift, so all that work u did setting the phase is almost meaningless if u are just gonna shift the phase of ur entire low end on the master. U could use linear phase but then u risk smearing ur transients due to preringing. I asked jade cicada about this in his discord a while back and he informed me he never eqs the lows out of things that he wants to have sub, the kick and basses containing sub. Anyways that’s just my reasoning and current understanding. If u have a different point of view, I’d love to hear it. Thanks for the videos and all that u do for the community:)
@@merrickk7949 interesting topic. I asked Infekt about this on Discord and he made a point basically saying that with electronic music, if ur sub is a clean synthesized sine wave (w/ maybe some extra harmonics), then there wouldn't even be any content underneath the fundamental to EQ out anyway, at least nothing audible. So yah it makes sense to me that there would be no need to low-cut the master at 30hz - as long as you're hiPassing out the sub of other elements and making sure nothing is in the sub range 'cept your kick and sub. And also yah, cause an EQing low-end can mess with phase, and might take power away from the sub. Of course go with whatever sounds/feels best to u
@@sharkadelic8799 yo thanks for the thoughtful reply! That’s exactly my reasoning also. Why try an fix a problem that’s not there. Like my low end I get right wayyy b4 mastering. Another idea I’ve heard in this topic is bouncing two versions of ur track. One for live use where ur sub is only one harmonic and one for streaming where u add other harmonics to the sub. The reasoning here is speakers can only go one way at a time. Out or in. so on a big system a pure sine wave would be cleanest cuz the speaker won’t have to do as much. I see the phase of sine waves like this.. when it’s at its height, it’s telling the speaker to push air out when it’s low, it’s sucking in. Adding harmonics is gonna make the speaker suck out and in more, producing a less clean sound then one pure sine would cuz a pure sine is only saying out and then back in. This is only on big systems tho, adding harmonics is something I fully agree with and do in all my tracks. Also should note, im lazy and don’t do this myself haha Just fun to think about
@@merrickk7949 3:55
alot of mastering engineers do it
if your track is 100% perfectly mixed there wont be anything to cut
if distortion is introduced through mastering cutting can be very helpful
if youre worried about phase shifts then design the phases with it on
if youre worried about linear preringing use a gentler q
test on a subwoofer, i can say the lowcut generally makes subs hits harder in practice
do what you want trust your ears
@@BuntingMusic thanks for getting back to me! I hadn’t thought of the eq idea, designing the sub and kick with it on, I’ll definitely give that a try. Yea in my mastering chain, I rarely apply noticeable distortion. I’ll process channels heavily all day but my grp processing and mastering chains I like to keep pretty simple. I’m gonna experiment with this low cut idea and see what method works for me.
Man. You explain stuff so simply. Anyone could reach a professional level of skill by watching Bunting vids
Appreciate everything you do g, Hope you have a great day.
I’m on Logic and I still come to your videos almost daily. Thanks for spreading knowledge so the music community can get even better homie.
really straight to the point and actionable advice, your vids are great 👌 thanks
HUGE VIDEO! Thanx for the help G!
Hey, Bunting-
I highly appreciate all the energy you have put into your musical work. I have benefited greatly from the content and I respect you to the max.
👍👍🙏
Never thought of using the Multiband Compressor to Layer tracks besides gluing them together. Neat af 🤘🔥
You always teach me something new that was needed! You did the best explanation on what to watch out for when making a sub bass sound actually good on speakers and phones!! Thank you so much!!
Thank you Bunting! ❤️
Your humor is the BEST! xD I watched some other sub tutorials before this and you still provided new info. Ty!
P.S. some of us read! Followed you on Soundcloud. Hope youre doin good, man!
needed this. big up brotha.
WHERE WAS THIS TUTORIAL BEFORE I LEARNED HOW TO MIX OMGGG this was the best one ive EVER seen. everyone else makes it SO COMPLICATED. youre amazing for this dude!
your music is fucking rad!
I learned a thing! Cool video thanks, wish I had this a year or so ago when I was destroying my sub in the master, that tip on the harmonics is helpful and the leveling of the phase to keep it a single sine helped me because I just never thought of that by myself. I read a long time ago in a galaxy far away that boosting 10khz on the sub can add some desirable air, kinda like adding noise to the sub. I cut everything in between from 160hz or 200hz-9800khz boost 10k and roll off at around 12k and a thing I'll do is highpass at 35hz and it gets rid of unwanted rumble in the sub and makes it sound less fluttery and tight. It all depends on the mix I guess and what you want your art to sound like.
I did this a lot for years, definitely good suggestions for new producers who are just getting into edm
sick help. tried out the 140 cut on the Parallel chain w the high end, for a remix, that helped immensely. sample fx filter at 140, thick.
Thank you for sharing your wisdom 🙏
Thanks buddy! It's like read my mind sometimes for your video information lol
damn this is what I've been looking for thanks for the detailed explanation
Very helpful video for me!
Ayyyy @Bunting you honored my request to talk about custom wave table editing!
>thick sub OMG so big
Never change bud. Also Flux is professional af and one of my current jams. Love u dude.
This is a super helpful video
Thanks for making this dope video
Thanks my guy, big up
Hey man thank you a lot for making videos for all of us and sharing your knowledge it’s very noble real talk. I have a specific question and id be thankful if you can help me. Whenever I use a reference track and my levels are kind of equal to the reference track, the sub on the reference track is like not ever that loud compared to mine even though they are at the same levels. It’s very deceiving.
Great tips
Ayy catching your upload while it's hot :D awesome video man! ❤️ by the way do you use the same patch with just different LFO rates in vital for your separate sub basses or do they carry different timbres aswell?
You’re growing so fast man! See yuh tonight
Very good thank you sir 👍
For more info on shaping the sub-bass I'd recommend Mr. Bills video about it. It definitely helps with understanding how perceived loudness works.
Mr Bill is the man. Been watching his stuff since 2013. My music still sucks but I appreciate what he’s taught me
@@jasongravely7217 He's the goat and a super chill dude to hang out with
Perfect my iPhone subwoofer is bumpin from this tut, thanks 🅱️
ok, I have learned new things, the knowledge is bigger to making a big tracks. thanks ! ♪
"It's whatever you want, don't ever ask me that again." Bro i'm dead 🤣
you are the man g
thank you
excellent tuit.
Zog! shift arrow key right, what a gem
neat bass!
god bless Master Bunting
Question for you... I'm sort of a newb, do you get rid of the first fundamental harmonic to make it a more steady sub? Am I thinking about that correctly?
This was the one for me, big lightbulb
can ya make a tut on intros or something in that nature. i feel drops are easier to make then intros :(
One criticism, bass doesn’t always have to be mono. Look up Disprove - In the Lab (Steelan Remix). Dude is a master level sound designer, he makes stereo basses that stay in phase when collapsed to mono
Edit: he’s so obscure that only one video of this song still exists, but it’s a horribly distorted version of what I knew and loved 😭
90% of the tyne u want it mono son
@@LeePuu keep telling yourself that if its what you need to sleep at night.
It's not stereo. The bass is made using layering techniques. The sub frequencies are always placed in mono, while the harmonics are added on top using stereo widening techniques. This makes it seem as if the bass is in stereo.
@@turbochargedfilmsNo bass should be in stereo. This is a common fact.
How do you master loud without killing the sub? Have that problem rn on a track
Heck Yes!
If you made just a separated sub for project make sure to automate the low end, when Kick hits it can hit more soft at the same time when subbass is here. To fix that at kick, sub should goes down but after that when kick ends the good sub should be here. So good sub frequencies don't touch your hard kicks 😊❤
Got some nice syncopation going on here!!!
Are you sitll active? 👉👈
you seem like a great teacher
i learned... i liked... i subbed...
Do you have a 10dB difference between your sub and the rest in your own tracks?
Do you do that technique demonstrated by AHEE, Sseb and others, that they claim Skrillex etc. do, to dip 90-100hz on your master to create separation between your sub and everything else and trick the mind into perceiving the sub louder? If not, thoughts on that?
i usually like my sub response flat, and yes i scoop mids
@@BuntingMusic So are you stilll hitting 0 true peak on the sub?
Just a tiny scoop? Seen the technique explained but never demonstrated in practice.
Wow. That's interesting. 🤔
I wanted to add a like but its at 808 and that just felt right
a fine comment to boost your al gore rhythm. thanks for sharing your knowledge dude.
I actually love this song.. Where do I get it haha?
hearing "analog subs are the best" as someone who builds Eurorack gear makes me want to scream. thanks for the insightful video.
🙏🏻
Currently laying against my speakers now
So your sub its at -6 to 0db true peak?
U r the best
An Actual decent RUclipsr that isn’t copy pasting every other stupid video about mixing? Thanks!!
make the second harmonic the loudest. thats what studies are calling, the ear friendly harmonic, thats also what vacuum tubes are doing, and why people like tube sound "more", it pushes the second harmonic the most.
here is comment.
thank you
u da man
4:06 😂
Fiyah
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"might not want to use this bc it shifts the phase n stuff but... ok nerrrd" lol
dis dat good good right here am i rite fellas 😩
"Don't ever ask me again" 🤣😂
mono?
sub basses of my dreammmmmmmmmmmms
So....could you use the sidechaining to say like Soothe2 and just work to balance?
I f***ing suck at production and prepared to be roasted if needed lol
Yo this is sick
Um also can you do a peekaboo tutorial
Ha already has fam
@@yuhyuhtheindigo7085 oh shit i didnt even realize my bad
If you a real one youll have a fully stereo sub
Dont let everyone know the secret! For real tho, stereo sub is where its at. Haters don't understand.
Me after learning this: Shit (EQ3-M 10db)
Have you ever experimented with stereo sub bass? I guess it would only really come through on a system set up with subwoofers in stereo.
I have made a track with stereo panning sub bass and played it on my system with stereo subs and it creates a really interesting yet subtle movement in the bass. Seems to move forward and back in the room.
Stereo sub bass is more for heaphones than anything. Most PA systems run sub bass in mono so if you have stereo sub bass in your mix, you have to make sure you dont have issues with stereo phase cancelation when the sub is run in mono. This is one of the reason why you should always check your mix in mono, it also one of the pitfalls of mixing on headphones. Due to the seperation of left and right on headphones, the soundwaves dont interact with each other in an open space and this can mask huge phase cancelation problems in the mix. This is why you should listen to your final mixes on a proper monitor system in a treated room before release.
Whatever bro 💜
I like bass
The high cuts for live on the subs is huge. I always cut the high end to about 140hz. It cleans up the sound on the actual subs soooooo much.
Good stuff here bro.
I'll add even on AUX run subs. I don't want that board giving any high end.
hey Bunting! You are very cute. I have liked and subscribed. Thank you for video content.
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i hope you start getting more money from this. your videos have good info but damn you need a new computer or something.
King shit
THICC SUB OMG SO BIC
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Saturation on sub = thiccc... CAP
STOP THAT CLICKING 🤓
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Can't listen past all the mic pops, sorry.
thick sub... i can only hear clicks. wtf is this video
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