Oddworld Lore: Clakkerz

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  • Опубликовано: 20 дек 2024

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  • @pupbenny
    @pupbenny  7 месяцев назад +113

    The Clakkerz are one of my favourite things from Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath. They add so much personality and humour to the game. :)

    • @bionabot
      @bionabot 7 месяцев назад

      Very excited to see you cover more outlaws, particularly elboze freely

    • @victorp.2818
      @victorp.2818 7 месяцев назад

      LETS GO! 2 Oddworld Videos in a week. Great to see you Back Slig

    • @josepbuigues1336
      @josepbuigues1336 7 месяцев назад

      I feel like oddworld inhabitons where to make another oddworld game maybe it will be a remake/reimagining of Munch's Oddyssey. What do you think?

    • @JMObyx
      @JMObyx 6 месяцев назад

      One thing I think should be considered important is that, as you said, these Clackers here migrated to Western Mudos out of choice, seeking wealth, not because they themselves were driven from their lands. This means that the Clackers have a homeland, probably in central Mudos, that is still inhabited by members of the species that chose not to come.
      This opens up the possibility that the Clackers remaining back in the homeland have a different attitude than the ones that are moving to settle the West, maybe not drastically different, however, East of the lands Stranger's Wrath takes place is Eastern Mudos, where the Glukkons and Mudokens we're all familiar with reside. And though the two are separated from their separate games, they're probably close to eachother geographically, I think it'd be interesting if the relationship between the Glukkons and Clackers is begrudgingly mutually beneficial, yet deep down they're distrustful or even fearful of the Glukkons, and might actually be actively colonizing and expanding where they can in order to gain an advantage over their economic rivals.

  • @Yacovo
    @Yacovo 7 месяцев назад +292

    Stranger's Wrath made the perfect civilian NPCs you wouldn't feel bad about mugging for moolah. Thanks for the video.

  • @denifnaf5874
    @denifnaf5874 7 месяцев назад +281

    "Clakkerz is our word but you can call us clakka"

    • @theloosedonk5645
      @theloosedonk5645 7 месяцев назад +11

      Star Wars reference?

    • @ryanlorenzo5003
      @ryanlorenzo5003 7 месяцев назад +27

      "Race" reference donk

    • @Nov-5062
      @Nov-5062 7 месяцев назад +26

      Clakka with a hard R

    • @denifnaf5874
      @denifnaf5874 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@theloosedonk5645roga roga

    • @theloosedonk5645
      @theloosedonk5645 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@ryanlorenzo5003 don't know what that is but I fully agree ryanlorenzo5003

  • @MagicalMaster
    @MagicalMaster 7 месяцев назад +100

    I wonder what caused the Clakkerz Migration? You hit the nail on the head when you said they were a sedentary people, but that means it must have taken something large to force such a race to move en-mass, because you're also right about the state of their towns. They're shanties, they're frontier towns. These people are new to this area, not used to moving around, and did so AFTER the Olden Steef went missing and the river was dammed. Which happened within this generation.
    So that means in the last twenty to twenty five years at most, something forced a relatively peaceful and harmless people out of their home and into unfamiliar territory. I think there's a story there. A big one.

  • @smashers6971
    @smashers6971 7 месяцев назад +146

    Fun fact, Clakkerz are the first Khanzumers we see in the Oddworld series, a major part of Oddworld’s lore only shown in strangers wrath.
    That being said there’s nothing funnier than decking a Clakkerz in the face when they talk smack towards you.
    They’re also effected by the critter ammo, so on Beaks opple farm you can lead an unfortunate Clakkerz under the car crusher and crush them.

    • @Vexx2006
      @Vexx2006 7 месяцев назад +11

      Oh yeah, there's even an achievement for that on Steam if I remember. I love messing around with these guys shooting Chippunks to em X)

    • @Athetos_Admech
      @Athetos_Admech 7 месяцев назад +8

      Maybe we'll get a similar game set in the eastern half of the continent someday so we that can explore their societies outside of the factories and native enclaves. It would be cool to see who the Industrialist species are selling their products to aside from eachother and the clackers. There could be entire cities and towns we just never get to see in the other games inhabited by other 'middle class' Khanzumer species.

    • @chaosinc.382
      @chaosinc.382 7 месяцев назад

      I figure the other Khanzoomers are them ornery Wulvarks and outrageous Outlaws. Granted Outlaws just take what they want most of the times, but I suspect they dont mess with and even patronize the larger industrialist powers. After all, who would be so bold as to rob a caravan or train belonging to the Maggog Cartel or the crazy Vykkers?

  • @Gigas0101
    @Gigas0101 7 месяцев назад +71

    Now that I think about it, Sekto setting up his Dam around Clakker settlements could be a bit of worldbuilding as well. They migrate into new areas, setting up trailer parks and shanty towns, and are somehow able to earn Moolah despite being too weak for labour, too stupid for science, and too cowardly and unpleasant to wheel and deal like a Glukkon. Their migrations into the frontier of Western Mudos could open new business opportunities for the industrialists, like how Sekto was able to set up his Dam or how that solitary Vykker was able to set up a medical practice.

    • @chaosinc.382
      @chaosinc.382 7 месяцев назад +5

      I alwats figured Clakkerz did the bare minimum of labor, such as farming, operaring equipment for mining, fishing, running stores, ect. Yknow, relatively safe ways to earn a living and sustain their frontier economy. I figure Clakkerz outsource acquiring most supplies, likely from Glukkons, Vykkers, and folks like Sekto.

  • @Nov-5062
    @Nov-5062 7 месяцев назад +69

    The Clakkers are the only known bird-like creatures in Oddworld except for the birds that help mudokons, I'm almost certain they're just called "birds" which is strange.

    • @Vexx2006
      @Vexx2006 7 месяцев назад +19

      The Mudokons are also birds according to the lore, which you can sorta see in the feathers shown in Abe and the Tribal Mudokon's head, as well with their hollow bones in their bodies and also the fact their feet are apparently shaped like those of ground birds. And they also have gizzards apparently.

    • @zindrozaan8752
      @zindrozaan8752 7 месяцев назад +8

      Perhaps The Clakkers Are Distant Relatives Of Mudokons?

    • @Vexx2006
      @Vexx2006 7 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@zindrozaan8752I mean...maybe? Because we already saw in the game there are also relatives of other species, like the Slegs are relatives of the Slogs, so it could be possible.

  • @ominousodysseymusic
    @ominousodysseymusic 7 месяцев назад +72

    At first I didn't think the Clakkerz looked 'Oddworld' enough to exist in the universe... but they quickly won my heart

    • @TheRojo387
      @TheRojo387 4 месяца назад

      Fucker, the fucking Lombaxes, of Ratchet & Clank, look 'Oddworld' enough for Oddworld!

  • @davidarri9115
    @davidarri9115 7 месяцев назад +35

    Dude, the clakkers are literally a large part of us world population, they buy and buy and don't ask what's behind the production of what they buy.. They're not even grateful towards Stranger for eliminating all the bandits... Anyway, it's nice to see that you're back making Oddworld videos! I'll go and get the one about Gloktigi too! :D

    • @smashers6971
      @smashers6971 7 месяцев назад +5

      It depends on the Clakkerz like they’re generally fine with him cleaning up outlaws just as long as it means they can go about their lives, like after you beat Boils booty and leave town you can see some of them set up farms now that the outlaws are gone.
      Though others like the Black marketer and Skycart Joe are more than willing to work with outlaws to increase their wallets.

  • @emojothejojo
    @emojothejojo 7 месяцев назад +73

    I think the Clakkerz are one of the consumer species

    • @noahdean9685
      @noahdean9685 7 месяцев назад +1

      If they weren't they would be turned into OFC, oddworld fried Chicken (like KFC, Kentucky fried Chicken) by rapture farms!

    • @bigjohnsbreakfastlog5819
      @bigjohnsbreakfastlog5819 7 месяцев назад +12

      Oh, indeed. They're sapient enough to run farms and communities but not above creature comforts and hunting "lesser" tribes for personal gain. However, they're easy prey for stronger Khansumers and other species who aren't above eating them or stealing their property, as we see one "unfortunate" farmer turned into a rotisserie chicken during the events of the game.

  • @maximillianx1395
    @maximillianx1395 7 месяцев назад +24

    Always loved the Wild West elements in Stranger's Wrath.

  • @beautepley8352
    @beautepley8352 7 месяцев назад +33

    I still love smashing into the clakkerz and taking all of their money. Never gets old. I still throw out a quick prayer every now and then that this isn't the last we've seen of stranger. It helps me to sleep at night dreaming of a sequel.

  • @charliematthews2056
    @charliematthews2056 7 месяцев назад +45

    Even though the War Of The Worlds content is cool it’s nice to see more Oddworld Lore videos, I learnt most if not all Oddworld lore from this channel.

  • @Anonymouthful
    @Anonymouthful 7 месяцев назад +21

    Theres a lot dedication and attention to detail that went into this game where most companies woulnt have probably even bothered giving these NPCs more than couple of lines to repeat.

  • @philmiller1845
    @philmiller1845 7 месяцев назад +44

    Babe wake up Benny's back on oddworld!!!!

  • @scottfisher1311
    @scottfisher1311 7 месяцев назад +13

    Wasnt expecting more Oddworld lore but im so happy, had a very long day too so this was perfect timing for me.

  • @Soon_To_Be_Gone_Acc
    @Soon_To_Be_Gone_Acc 7 месяцев назад +27

    Sometimes I feel like the fallout games and Strangers wrath share similar vibes with each other.

    • @noahdean9685
      @noahdean9685 7 месяцев назад +6

      I like that idea imagine The stranger meeting the ghoul (Howard Cooper) both of them are bounty hunters one is a 200 year old relic of the past while the other is the last of his kind just fighting for survival!

    • @Nuniixo
      @Nuniixo 7 месяцев назад +2

      You probably just saw the show because theyre just different

    • @noahdean9685
      @noahdean9685 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@Nuniixo your right I did watch the show and I loved it but I love to see bounty hunters from different shows or video games fighting each other for a bounty like boba Fett fighting Samus from Metroid!

  • @ryguy9876
    @ryguy9876 7 месяцев назад +7

    @6:26 The Clakkerz being out of time in this regard is actually accurate to the old west. Back in the 1800's and the first half of the 1900's, the US and most of the Americas was a good deal behind Europe in regards to adopting new technologies. Case and point: the self contained cartridge was invented in the 1830's and the first commercial cartridges were available in the 1840's, and the first rim fire and center-fire cartridges popped up in the 1850's, and all of these were readily used by European nations (especially the wealthy ones), but in the states those same innovations weren't brought over until the 1870's and didn't see widespread use until the 1880's. I can see Clakker towns being a good 40-65 years behind Eastern Muddos in this regard.

  • @flyboyarch6776
    @flyboyarch6776 7 месяцев назад +11

    Never played and odd world game but coming across your lore Vids made me download strangers wrath for ps5 this would've made my childhood if I had it back then.

  • @miketheodd2972
    @miketheodd2972 7 месяцев назад +15

    Stranger wraths was the first odd world game i ever played it makes me happy that you do these deep dives into it

  • @chellastation
    @chellastation 7 месяцев назад +4

    Stranger has the patience of a saint to deal with these fried chickens

  • @MenwithHill
    @MenwithHill 7 месяцев назад +4

    So happy to see more oddworlds lore, thank you

  • @reign-4213
    @reign-4213 7 месяцев назад +4

    i love these new lore videos! its lovely looking back at the lore of my favcrite childhood game

  • @DKArmstrong
    @DKArmstrong 7 месяцев назад +6

    That min-crossbow thing looks mental.

  • @peterwhite6415
    @peterwhite6415 7 месяцев назад +7

    Considering how they complain about everything, even if someone is diferent but trying to improve their society, I can see them being stuborn about improving their own homes and technology, only maintaing what they have, either cause theyre comfortable with what they have or because they see anything new or better as "strange" wich in turn is seen as "bad".
    Their pretty much old farmers who are stuborn to learn new ways of living cause they spent so long in their own ways that could be seen as antiquated... an example would be someone still using a horse to help plow land when a tractor would do quicker work, but they refuse to use it cause they dont how to operate nor do they want to learn (wich would include fixing it).

  • @LordProteus
    @LordProteus 7 месяцев назад +3

    I'm so happy that Oddworld Lore is back.

  • @smgeezus7186
    @smgeezus7186 7 месяцев назад +2

    Glad you're back to this, my friend.

  • @ElClaudioBasado
    @ElClaudioBasado 7 месяцев назад +6

    12:19 wait there's a crucifix in this concept art.... Chicken Jesús is canon to the Oddworld series

  • @noahdean9685
    @noahdean9685 7 месяцев назад +15

    Anyone else think of the battle droids from Star wars the clone wars whenever this video says the word clakkerz!?

  • @Destroyerofnations
    @Destroyerofnations 7 месяцев назад +3

    I love how their main reference is a majorly pissed of Eagle.
    It's honestly perfect considering how they act in game.
    Part of me does feel bad about their towns being flooded at the end, but, then again, they can get bent for talking all that mess >:[

  • @JimBimBum
    @JimBimBum 7 месяцев назад

    1:40 look i know making models is heard but that vertex stretching is a 20 second fix in blender.

  • @yeah9715
    @yeah9715 3 месяца назад +1

    3:04 solid bar

  • @jurtheorc8117
    @jurtheorc8117 7 месяцев назад +6

    For any Oddworld fans, perhaps the Zeno Clash series may prove interesting too.

  • @slay-many-foes1160
    @slay-many-foes1160 7 месяцев назад +1

    Ain't no one get away Strangers Wrath is a masterpiece played it on the old Xbox the world was awesome the comedy always made me chuckle especially these guys and the outlaws would love if they made a sequel following what happened to Stranger after the game great video dude.

  • @Blazeroner
    @Blazeroner 7 месяцев назад +3

    he went back to oddworld!!! let's goooo!!!

  • @KurtHectic97
    @KurtHectic97 7 месяцев назад +2

    I missed oddworld stuff. Good video.

  • @Babs11549
    @Babs11549 7 месяцев назад +8

    LE GASP
    MORE ODDWORLD CONTENT FROM THE BEST ODDWORLD CREATOR :D

    • @Nov-5062
      @Nov-5062 7 месяцев назад +2

      The oddworld lore-master

  • @_NIKOS9_NIKOS
    @_NIKOS9_NIKOS 7 месяцев назад +2

    They kinda gave me Tellarite vibes from star trek. Where them constantly arguing and insulting each other is part of their culture.

  • @juanisol8275
    @juanisol8275 7 месяцев назад

    Groovy review of these complementary wandering entrees xD I am already intrigued by their possible return in the future installment of SoulStorm, just like the Vykkers and who knows another unpublished cut species from the Oddworld Franchise! I'm exited impatient what will be next! More Bloody and Funny indeed!

  • @Raving_Rando
    @Raving_Rando 7 месяцев назад +4

    Ah yes, the consumer’s true form.

  • @riccardobortolin4120
    @riccardobortolin4120 7 месяцев назад

    Played this game recently for the first time. And despite the fact I really liked it, and I will replay it in the future, I don't feel this game as an ODDWORLD game at all. Not only for the different gameplay and genre, but also for the setting. Still an amazing game. Btw, glad to see another Oddworld video of yours

  • @sperglord3825
    @sperglord3825 6 месяцев назад +2

    They remind me of Buck Cluck

  • @sprinkletoes2074
    @sprinkletoes2074 7 месяцев назад

    So I had recently became more fixated on odd words as it’s been super interesting but coming across your profile I really appreciate your work.

  • @dr.anderson1847
    @dr.anderson1847 7 месяцев назад +1

    Dang, he said it with the hard 'z'

  • @SweetMattieG
    @SweetMattieG 7 месяцев назад

    This video showing up in my feed got me into Oddworld.

  • @snook4219
    @snook4219 7 месяцев назад +1

    This is awesome

  • @Xenotheenderdragon
    @Xenotheenderdragon 7 месяцев назад +3

    Hi pup big fan

  • @Tinkering4Time
    @Tinkering4Time 7 месяцев назад +1

    Plato: What is a human? A featherless biped!!
    Diogenes, brandishing a plucked chicken: BEHOLD, A MAN.
    The clackers feel evocative of this story to me.

  • @codywhite6337
    @codywhite6337 7 месяцев назад

    Excellent video!

  • @RapturePlasmids
    @RapturePlasmids 7 месяцев назад +1

    man, what id do for a strangers wrath 2

  • @LSPDUnit14
    @LSPDUnit14 7 месяцев назад

    Hey bro, I’m just wondering like I’ve been watching your videos and I love them so much my favorite video is the walfarks I probably said that wrong, but anyways next are u going to do the steef next?

  • @PineApple-vq9xv
    @PineApple-vq9xv 7 месяцев назад

    What you did at 11.57 was very clear 😂

  • @88amona
    @88amona 7 месяцев назад

    Good to see u again 😊

  • @serpentinious7745
    @serpentinious7745 7 месяцев назад +1

    NGL, I kinda like "hickins" 😂

  • @ebonytherussiafan2808
    @ebonytherussiafan2808 7 месяцев назад

    You made me discover a new interesting game today thank you

  • @piotrwisniewski70
    @piotrwisniewski70 7 месяцев назад +2

    Honestly, I love how oddworld is basically one big comment on various social issues, but it's so perfectly fitted into the world that you don't feel like any message is forced upon you
    Also, it was bothering me. Why is Steve called like that? Is it in order to make his name appear "strange" and "odd" to the rest of the world?

    • @jurtheorc8117
      @jurtheorc8117 7 месяцев назад

      It's written as "Steef" and it's the name of the species.

    • @piotrwisniewski70
      @piotrwisniewski70 7 месяцев назад

      @@jurtheorc8117 yeah, but it sounds like Steve. It's probably the most normal sounding name of anything in whole oddworld

    • @jurtheorc8117
      @jurtheorc8117 7 месяцев назад

      @@piotrwisniewski70 Howst couldst thou forget about the main man Abe?
      I get what you mean though.

  • @wyattbooth6372
    @wyattbooth6372 7 месяцев назад +1

    hickens is such a better name

  • @nean9894
    @nean9894 7 месяцев назад

    I love this game
    I cant believe you left out the fact that at least one of their species has shown very glukkon like properties
    Skycart joe
    Also love your videos insanely entertaining and knowledgeable
    I learn something every video and i played every game and looked at (what i thought) was all the artwork

  • @dylanthomas385
    @dylanthomas385 7 месяцев назад +1

    He’s back with avengs

  • @balaclavatheslidegod1469
    @balaclavatheslidegod1469 4 месяца назад

    This was uploaded on my birthday

  • @reecemeadows4754
    @reecemeadows4754 7 месяцев назад

    Yo man can u cover the hand of odd and the fact that Lorne lanning said he has a multiplayer prototype working and is currently getting feedback

  • @rootsnootthnute8598
    @rootsnootthnute8598 7 месяцев назад

    Clakkerz, in terms of evolution, likely represent the ancestral sort of avian humanoids from which the eusocial Mudokons evolved, much like how the often individualistic wasps of our world gave rise to both eusocial wasps and ultimately bees.

  • @vixbrabec
    @vixbrabec 7 месяцев назад +1

    wow talk about the pot calling the kettle black

  • @marsh_gl3605
    @marsh_gl3605 7 месяцев назад

    Hard to believe this was a late original XBox release and we still don't know when in the storyline it takes place

  • @Not_A_Fan_Playing
    @Not_A_Fan_Playing 7 месяцев назад +2

    10:55 KFC comercials?

  • @TheGoodCrusader
    @TheGoodCrusader 7 месяцев назад +2

    Chicken folk

  • @chaosinc.382
    @chaosinc.382 7 месяцев назад

    I assume Clakkerz, post flooding, either cobble together newer towns on higher ground (which would require a lot of work) or they bugger off to wherever they came from prior. There's a small chance they revert to a more primitive state and live alongside the Grubbs, buuuut I'm a touch skeptical of that.

  • @metalheadpatriot
    @metalheadpatriot 5 месяцев назад

    Ate some boiled Clacker with barbecue sauce while watching this video,they're delicious!

  • @mr.selyumor5402
    @mr.selyumor5402 7 месяцев назад +1

    Listen if I lived here, I’d probably be a bit whiny too.

  • @Overlord367
    @Overlord367 7 месяцев назад +1

    there just humans as far as i see it.

  • @xyreniaofcthrayn1195
    @xyreniaofcthrayn1195 7 месяцев назад

    Why mudokon popsicles were even an option at rupture farms when mudos fried clakkerz MFC is an option?

  • @fabiansw8
    @fabiansw8 7 месяцев назад +1

    TWO ODDWORLD VIDEOS IN A WEEK

  • @Not_A_Fan_Playing
    @Not_A_Fan_Playing 7 месяцев назад

    How age is clakkerz lives and death? From Oddworld stranger's

  • @fabiansw8
    @fabiansw8 7 месяцев назад +1

    Maybe you could say clakkerz are consumers instead of industrialist

  • @BLK_MN
    @BLK_MN 7 месяцев назад

    A good example but of how just because they don't seem outwardly malicious or evil, appearances can be deceiving.
    A silent majority, either complicit in horrible actions, or actively benefitting, maybe even encouraging these actions.

  • @anthonypena5886
    @anthonypena5886 7 месяцев назад

    So what was the first video you made about oddworld

  • @milkman7459
    @milkman7459 7 месяцев назад +2

    I hope there is a kfc in the oddworld universe

  • @misterbigbose
    @misterbigbose 7 месяцев назад +1

    Clakker: Took you long enough to cover a video about our kin pupboy and in 13 minutes no less, hope you intend share some of that ad moolah considering the oppel harvest ain't doing so good

  • @zintosion
    @zintosion 7 месяцев назад

    Crap, now i feel like playing stranger's wrath again.

  • @meltingatom
    @meltingatom 7 месяцев назад

    With the existence of clakkerz, there must also must be binmgers

  • @phantomshotgun9223
    @phantomshotgun9223 6 месяцев назад

    i feel like Strangers Wrath is a great ip for the Oddworld setting, but i could do with a reboot. maybe something more sandbox-like.

  • @JNJNRobin1337
    @JNJNRobin1337 7 месяцев назад

    how long was it since last oddworld video?

  • @grassnothing1631
    @grassnothing1631 7 месяцев назад +4

    LORE LORE LORE

  • @mastermike9000
    @mastermike9000 7 месяцев назад +1

    Damn boy who hurt you

  • @alexanderberrones2165
    @alexanderberrones2165 7 месяцев назад

    i had a theory that the clakkerz are a Distance relative to the mudoken and i mean Distance

  • @DrZeddy-wo5fd
    @DrZeddy-wo5fd 6 месяцев назад

    I think i met a few clakkerz before

  • @erinnash4570
    @erinnash4570 7 месяцев назад

    Not gonna lie, it’s really fun to just punch the crap outta them for moolah.
    They remind me of a weird cross between pigs and chickens, and I gotta wonder what the heck does Stranger eat? Clakkerz look pretty tasty. Makes me think perhaps the Steef hunted them at some point? Huh….maybe.

  • @Celluro
    @Celluro 7 месяцев назад

    10:53 had me laughing.

  • @darkestcarving8735
    @darkestcarving8735 7 месяцев назад

    mudokons and Clakkerz perhaps had common ancestors where the Mudokons split off, and evolved to have females mass produce kin.

  • @patrickempson7366
    @patrickempson7366 7 месяцев назад +1

    Pork’n Beans

  • @Snisbatch
    @Snisbatch 7 месяцев назад +8

    I’m glad the odd world content has returned (doesn’t mean you should stop what you were doing before)

  • @bigjohnsbreakfastlog5819
    @bigjohnsbreakfastlog5819 7 месяцев назад

    The Oddworld series established the World of Industry as beings that would exploit the planet for personal gain but hadn't established the species that were dumb and selfish enough to be the willing consumers of those entities, so the Clakkers were ideal for that role.

  • @ryank5oo
    @ryank5oo 7 месяцев назад +3

    You should stop by my place for lunch, I can make a meeean sandwich

  • @racewizard
    @racewizard 7 месяцев назад

    WE'RE SO BACK

  • @DrZeddy-wo5fd
    @DrZeddy-wo5fd 6 месяцев назад

    Hilarious underated spieces

  • @Thatonefalloutdude
    @Thatonefalloutdude 7 месяцев назад

    What happened to your war of the worlds

  • @ShadowFox178
    @ShadowFox178 7 месяцев назад +1

    RUclips unsubbed me from your channel.

  • @hubacchris
    @hubacchris 7 месяцев назад

    You know where the name comes from, right?

  • @dylanthomas385
    @dylanthomas385 7 месяцев назад +1

    I think my moms one of those people

  • @electricangel4488
    @electricangel4488 7 месяцев назад +1

    the idea that too you these are the closest thing to modern westerners is odd too me