This was one of the most thorough and interesting install vids I've watched. Now I want this exhaust for my '15 because that sounds throaty and beastly.
Lethal is using our S-tube turbo mufflers, feel free to give us a shout with any questions or to discuss your set-up and what you're going for with your build. 800.878.3635
Before I tell the full nightmare story and the lesson I have learned on this SW exhaust, let me try to get help on the major installation issues I have having with this SW Full Cat Back NPP/AFM $2500 exhaust system. Now keep in mind, I have installed countless systems on cars over the last 25 years of working on cars...NEVER HAD ISSUES LIKE THIS! I am hoping someone that has personally installed this system can provide some feedback on thier experience. I attempted to install per the instructions that came with the system. Removed the full stock exhaust first, pretty easy, but definitely challenging while laying on your back and doing in alone. But stock was removed, no problems, all good. Right from the get go, installing the left side lead pipe from to the primary cat was an issue. SW gives a 2.25' clamp in the kit, the instructions clearly say 2.25" clamp, but it is NOT possible that a 2.25 clamp will fit on this pipe. The clamp is about the same size as the clamp - fully expanded with the nut taken off, and even then it will not go out the pipe. OEM clamp is 2.5", but that is a bit too big for the pipe as the EOM design pipe has a raised iip around it. I reached out to SW works to tell them the clamp does not fit, they send me another 2.25" clamp and a 2.5" clamp. NEITHER ONE FITS!!!! Installed the right side lead pipe, appear to be no issues, bolted in. Install the crossover/x pipe and "seemed" to go on with no issues. I did the rubber mallet and block of wood trick to gently tap and make sure it was seated to the lead pipes. Clamps on loosely, I am not sure, but I still have a feeling its not seated all the way. Left side intermidiate pipe, slipped on, think this was fine at the time, but once installed I believe this was an issue part as well. More to come once I have the left muffler on...... Right side intermediate pipe. This is I think another trouble spot. Once both intermediate pipes were slipped on, I did the rubber mallet and wood block to make sure they were seated. Right side piple is NOTICEABLY longer (sticks out further) than the left intermidiate pipe, maybe 1.5" or more! There seems to be a major issue here!! Quality control? Cut incorrectly? The other issue here is it seems a bit to close for comfort to the drive shaft....could be dangerous. NOT ACCEPTABLE! Left muffler and tip pipe, again this seened to go on with no issues, slipped right on. BUT, here is where the potential issue with the left side intermediate pipe comes into play. Once it seated, the tips seem like they are recessed a little too far under the diffuser. I actually had to "unseat" it a bit to make the tips even close to even on both sides. This side actually seems like there is a pipe or part that was vut too short. Again, NOT ACCEPTABLE!!! Now for the final piece, and major problem spot. I guess when there are issues with pieces ahead of this, it all comes out in the end right?? Right side muffler and tip pipe. This is a joke. The tips stick out several inches more on the right side than the left side. And they stick out very far from the diffuser, to the point where about 2/3 of the enitre tip is outside the diffuser. This is either an issue with the right side intermediate pipe cut too long, or muffler pipe too short, or both. I honestly cannot believe the issues with this exhaust, and at at $2500 price point is truly is NOT ACCEPTABLE and based on numerous times I have reached out to SW with problems on this installation, it should have been resovled by a replacement (and proper) system being shipped to me ASAP!!! YOU NEED TO STAND BEHIND YOUR PRODUCT!!! Now for the full story. This has been a nightmare from the start. I actually ordered the exhaust at the end of November. After going back and forth every few days with the vendor, I was given the runaround, shipped, not shipped, ship next week, ship in a few days, etc.... The exhaust finally arrived some time in January!! YES! JANUARY!! It was a few more weeks before I could get the time to install it, but when I did, I encountered the issues listed above. That was the 1st time I installed it! Since I could not get it to line up, I went back to it a few weeks later, and uninstalled the ENTIRE exhaust, and reinstalled it again. Guess what??? SAME EXACT ISSUES! So today, it was a nice day, I figured I would try to finally line this thing up. So I take it entirely apart again, and reinstall yet again! SIX HOURS TODAY taking it apart and fighting to get this piece of garbage aligned. And its not better than it was the first 2 times!!! I am at the point now where I am going to reach out to Stainless Works as clearly there is a defect somewhere in the manufacturing process, cutting process or bending process that is not allowing this system to install correctly. But to make it worse, I feel that there are issues with a few pieces, and it is not just 1 part. If Stainless Works is not responsive and does not take accounability for what is most likely an obvious manufacturing issue, I feel that I will need to reach out to my credit card company and possibly an attorney. I have invested probably 16-17 hours in this exhaust, and it should only take maybe 2-3 to install???? To put it mildly I am FURIOUS with this. I should have followed my gut and spent the extra bucks for a reputable exhaust company.
You are killing me!!! Been waiting for this video but no sound tests at the end!!! Great video as always can't wait to hear how it sounds with the valves open!
+Lethalhammer sounds Amazing!!!! Ok ok I'm sold. FYI I have the 2016 2SS Manual and I feel like the CAI intake make a pretty solid difference in feel after installation. Feels like it's got more get up.
I have a question on the website Phastek, there is a option for Cat options, offroad pipes or catted pipes. Are the catted pipes the same as the test pipe you have? or different.
So if I wanted to straight pipe my 17 Camaro SS can I just keep the afm's plugged in and tied up somewhere or would I need to tune that out? Thanks for another good video
Ahhhh was going to tell you to do a startup with open headers lol I ran my car a couple of times on the drag strip with open headers and it sounded like a monster! Low end power sucked but the higher end power difference was insane.
+Alex Camaro I thought about firing it up but I didn't want to deal with any ECU issues. Also the shop had a lot of people in it and we didn't want to make everyone def
What does the secondary cat's do? You can get get rid of them without any issues? Do you run your exhaust in any other modes where the flaps close? I've noticed even in sport or track once the car warms up after the first few minutes the car quiets. I was told these flaps don't stay fully open (programmed by GM), there is a fuse you can remove so they stay wide open & they were right.
Damn it, I need a go pro to justify my cam videos/sound. Lol sounds pretty good. Quick question though, since the valve closed up on you while starting it in sport mode I'm assuming you did not do a fuse pull exhaust valve, my question is will you do a fuse pull video with the new exhaust, just to compare the sound with it full open? Sorry if I'm getting ahead of myself and spoiling and future video hehe
+Juve Madrigal there's a no need to pull the fuse on this setup. Even when into or mode its twice if not 3 times louder than the stock dual mode exhaust set up. In track mode it's a race car
I know this an old video but hopefully you still get comment notifications. I'd like to know how the system ended holding up and is it the Legend or Redline system? I'm thinking of this system with quad tips..Redline edition. $2400. It's expensive so I'd be interested in a years later update if you would recommend this system?!? I have the AFM system and still a year on my warranty so I can't just Tune out the CEL if air unplug the valve actuator.
First....love your videos!!! I am back in a Camaro for the first time since 1978. Just bought a 2018 Redline Edition 2SS with NPP. I want to change the exhaust. I know this video is from July 2016. Do you still recommend the Stainless Works Catback? That white SS is sweet bro!
will you be posting a before and after with all the different exhaust systems? that would be awesome to compare them side by side, although I know my speaker quality doesn't do it justice
Hey Lethal..!! Really enjoy the videos. I'm considering the Stainless Works catback with NPP and AFM. It's hard to determine the sound quality from stock to aftermarket. I'm an ex-Harley biker so I really enjoy a deep, loud rumble of my exhaust system. How would you describe the sound of the SW system you installed...? Much thanks and keep the videos coming...!!
Do you know if this is the equivalent to the stainless works turbo S-tube exhaust for the 2013 Camaro SS? I can't decide between the chambered round (Retro) and the turbo S-tube for mine.. any feedback would be awesome! Btw, love seeing the camaro build take place little by little =D
I have the same exhaust and I'm having massive issues getting this thing installed one of the issues is getting it lined up the other is the 2 and 1/4 inch clamp will not fit on the left side lead pipe going into the catalytic converter how did you get yours on
Are both valves supposed tyo close on startup in stealth mode? I only have one closing and I even bought a new Actuator and it wont close the valve either WTF? hope you can help Matt
Hey Lethal, I don’t know if you could answer this but I know you’re in California and that Stainless Works claims to be California legal. I was wondering if the exhaust ever cause you problems with smog or cops as I’m interested in getting the Redline exhaust system as well.
Stainless Works is the best, very good decision. Just wondering if you weighed the new parts vs the old parts to see how much weight you took off? I really like the 2016 Camaro SS.
+Newton Washinton the plan was to weigh both setups. Unfortunately the scale broke that morning. I do have the stock exhaust still so I am going to weigh it is soon as I can get to a wait station
I have been watching your channel for a while and I really like lots of things you are doing with your Camaro. I just purchased my 2017 2ss. my question is where exactly do you get things like your exhaust, lowering springs, etc put on at cause in el paso tx, I just cannot seem to find anyone here who is knowledgeable enough to work on my Camaro this December
Where are all of the track suspension guys ? The suspension is just too soft, but I'm not seeing any racers. I have a 1le and I'm looking for solid upgrades. I tried the BMR springs , but they were a little disappointing, so I went to H & R for springs. Still to soft. Any recommendations ? And not Eibachs.... totally made for comfort. I came from a Mustang, in which we had Steeda, Roush, Saleen and a ton of quality vendors. I'm not seeing the love on the Chevy side. There seems to be a lack of suspension vendors. There's a tuner for the magnetic ride ( DSC); which again, they seem to lean towards comfort. I'm a track guy ( road course) and suspension and road feel is everything!
@@Lethalgarage the spool valves are awesome!! I drove a Zl1 1le and it feels perfect!! They are pricey for the budget minded, and the springs still sit a little high. My biggest problem is finding a performance spring. Every single one that is made has comfort in mind, with the exception of the DSSV. Would love to have them, but 4k (or whatever I remember seeing); is a lot of money to pay. I will look and see if I can find any that doesn't cost as much as a supercharger :-)
Every time I see your videos it inspire me to make my 16 2SS to look just as nice as yours. That exhaust sound mean as sh!t!! I have a question though. I want to start working on getting more power and getting better gas mileage. I'll eventually get a cold air intake and new exhaust. Is there one I should get first or is there something I should do first?? I'm not as paid as you and I can't get everything all at once. I watch your videos all the time and I appreciate your time. Thanks
+Daymeion Brantley I lean into the Roto-Fab CAI as a great upgrade. Just keep in mind that the more upgrades you do eventually you're going to lose out on gas mileage
Nice exhaust system. Justin and me sound alike. I'm justi. Too lol. Exhaust system sounds great. I'm looking into getting exhaust system and cold air intake on my ss.
Thanks for the videos Lethal. I purchased the same Catback and installed on my 1SS 6spd. I found it very hard to cruise on the freeway and get away from the drone, enough to the point I am removing it and going with Borla. I have been disappointed with Stainless Works after reaching out to them regarding first a CEL issue then the drone. Long story short I had to use silicone on the slip on connector at the driver side cat to eliminate the CEL but only after researching forums with little to no help from S.W.; a small leak is all took for a P0420 code. Nonetheless, I am looking to get rid of the system. If you have any ideas, I'm open (I'm located in San Diego). I am beyond frustrated after reaching out to S.W. for a return or potential exchange in regards to the drone issue (its obnoxious even in tour mode with the 6spd) and they basically came back to say sucks to be you, we're not going to help you out. Its all a matter of opinion, obviously, but with a dB meter full acceleration inside the cabin in tour was reading 80dB, in "drone mode" it was reading 85 db . Outside of drone, it sounds awesome but I can't live with it anymore.
It will drone, its an off-road setup. If sound isn't your key driver the SW system is most likely not a pick for you. Corsa and Borla all go quite at higher rpms. I have no issues with CEL's, but sucks they haven't gotten back to you. I don't know anyone currently looking for a system. I assume you got the catback?
It's is an identical system to yours. I've assumed this isn't the case, so I'll ask the question, with all the freeway driving you do, does yours drone at 70 to 80 mph cruising?
Awesome setup man! I love the sound... Now I'm wondering if with this setup you got can you still use your engine sound management? I'm looking for a catback my self and still debating on which one to get, but I want mine to have the control over the sound still like it does with the npp. . help please?
+Lethalhammer cool and also. which one would you recommend. I'm debating from Borla axle back and mid pipes, or just a stainless works catback? Borla or SW?
+Miguel Garza it's all subjective, but I really like the deeper natural tone of the SW system. Borla's system muffler that natural deep tone in a an odd way.
Sweet dude!! Deep rumble and sounds great. Gotta do some sound clips and maybe a drive by so we get to hear that badboy. Have you heard or know anybody with the Corsa Extreme cat back system? I'm considering the Corsa but I don't know anyone who has actually heard it. I heard its mean and loud. What are your thoughts? Thanks Matt for another great vid.
Is there a difference with factory connect vs the performance connect (straight to SW headers)? I’m planning to get the factory connect because I have no headers right now but will I still be able to install headers in the future? Planning on kooks 2in
I installed the Cat-Back exhaust from stainless works on my 2017 50th Anniversary convertible 2SS. It gave me a CEL, was told its because the AFM valves sit in a hallo housing (on the pipe). AWE makes a Simulator for it and says it's to take the CEL away. What can you tell me about it? Is the AFM connectors on yours also hallo? What do you recommend?
@LethalGarage thanks for the reply, I called Stainless works earlier today and left a message. Hopefully they can help me figure this out, I'm not sure if I want to tune it out (also got the roto fab intake). I'm here in the bay area California and you know how it is trying to pass a smog after a Tune. Any advice you can give me will be much appreciated. Maybe I'll see you in the next Car Show, a freind wants me to join a local Camaro Club here in SJ
Hello Lethalhammer, Did u delete all cats ? Iam asking cuz if we in europa talking abt "catback" then we mean changin exhaust after cats and let stock cats in.
+René Rychen for testing purposes and offroad purposes the car does not have cath on it currently. But we will be installing the factory primary cats next week
got a question when disabling the AFM active fuel management so it doesnt go into v4 mode ever, do u just have to pull the plug where u pointed out that goes into the exhaust and its disabled? or is there more to it than that?
+vxptc1 there is a lot more to it. What this exhaust does is deletes the valves that are in line with the exhaust. I use the range device that actually kills the active fuel management from activating from the motor side it plugged into ODB sensor port and it cost the couple hundred bucks.
Awesome production and just a great vid overall. I am looking into purchasing a Camaro myself. Most likely it wont be a brand new one, but I am trying to find an older 1LE or ZL1.
who is tuning it for no cats? what are you doing for the tuning over all, running the stock tune for testing then putting the cats back on, so tuning twice.
Hey brother my stainless works catback keeps throwing CEL's. Theres no leak. So is it possible the actuator was installed on the wrong side. Any idea??
Can I upgrade my 2016 camaro ss without dual mode npp factory to dual mode npp performance? I know that I´ll need to change the rear diffuser to get more room for the new muffler.
Hey lethal I hope you can help , I just installed some magnaflows on my 17 camaro rs , but now I got a check engine light on and the remote start won’t work please help thanks 🙏🏼
LethalGarage no lethal it’s the mufflers only not the whole cat back , I read the code , p0073 , I dindt disconnect the battery when I was doing the installation
you know in previous vid. people were talking about why so many modeks. why not only ss. Well the ls and lt platforms actually sell the most so that enables gm to produce the v8 versions. So without the lower model there would be no ss1 or ss2 or zl1. same with corvette. they gave a very select crowd. And the base corvettes allow fir zo6 and zr1. So Nevermind those who are ignorant to the truth of hiw car sales work.
Ended up trading my 2016 1SS for a 2016 focus ST my Camaro got vandalized 2 times in 3 months it only had 1,700 miles on it but I still have my 2013 ZR1 its a shame if you have a nice car you gotta hide it in a garage
hmmm. Well I guess I'll keep that in mind and see if I can get better. I mean dam I am a master grower and have cess to pot farms. And a badass ride. everyone I know says I'm living quote the life. and yet I can get many huts on youtube. lol. I suck. I n eN Tommy chong was my boss for two years. lol. yet look at my channel vids of him don't get many hits.
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This was one of the most thorough and interesting install vids I've watched. Now I want this exhaust for my '15 because that sounds throaty and beastly.
Your interlude music (between explanations) is very apt and quietly emotional. Good job.
thanks
Great video, love the insight during the installation. We're pumped you're happy with it!
I can't decide between the chambered round and the turbo S-tube for mine.. between the two what is lethals setup comparable too?
Lethal is using our S-tube turbo mufflers, feel free to give us a shout with any questions or to discuss your set-up and what you're going for with your build. 800.878.3635
Before I tell the full nightmare story and the lesson I have learned on this SW exhaust, let me try to get help on the major installation issues I have having with this SW Full Cat Back NPP/AFM $2500 exhaust system. Now keep in mind, I have installed countless systems on cars over the last 25 years of working on cars...NEVER HAD ISSUES LIKE THIS!
I am hoping someone that has personally installed this system can provide some feedback on thier experience.
I attempted to install per the instructions that came with the system. Removed the full stock exhaust first, pretty easy, but definitely challenging while laying on your back and doing in alone. But stock was removed, no problems, all good.
Right from the get go, installing the left side lead pipe from to the primary cat was an issue. SW gives a 2.25' clamp in the kit, the instructions clearly say 2.25" clamp, but it is NOT possible that a 2.25 clamp will fit on this pipe. The clamp is about the same size as the clamp - fully expanded with the nut taken off, and even then it will not go out the pipe. OEM clamp is 2.5", but that is a bit too big for the pipe as the EOM design pipe has a raised iip around it. I reached out to SW works to tell them the clamp does not fit, they send me another 2.25" clamp and a 2.5" clamp. NEITHER ONE FITS!!!!
Installed the right side lead pipe, appear to be no issues, bolted in.
Install the crossover/x pipe and "seemed" to go on with no issues. I did the rubber mallet and block of wood trick to gently tap and make sure it was seated to the lead pipes. Clamps on loosely, I am not sure, but I still have a feeling its not seated all the way.
Left side intermidiate pipe, slipped on, think this was fine at the time, but once installed I believe this was an issue part as well. More to come once I have the left muffler on......
Right side intermediate pipe. This is I think another trouble spot. Once both intermediate pipes were slipped on, I did the rubber mallet and wood block to make sure they were seated. Right side piple is NOTICEABLY longer (sticks out further) than the left intermidiate pipe, maybe 1.5" or more! There seems to be a major issue here!! Quality control? Cut incorrectly? The other issue here is it seems a bit to close for comfort to the drive shaft....could be dangerous. NOT ACCEPTABLE!
Left muffler and tip pipe, again this seened to go on with no issues, slipped right on. BUT, here is where the potential issue with the left side intermediate pipe comes into play. Once it seated, the tips seem like they are recessed a little too far under the diffuser. I actually had to "unseat" it a bit to make the tips even close to even on both sides. This side actually seems like there is a pipe or part that was vut too short. Again, NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!
Now for the final piece, and major problem spot. I guess when there are issues with pieces ahead of this, it all comes out in the end right??
Right side muffler and tip pipe. This is a joke. The tips stick out several inches more on the right side than the left side. And they stick out very far from the diffuser, to the point where about 2/3 of the enitre tip is outside the diffuser. This is either an issue with the right side intermediate pipe cut too long, or muffler pipe too short, or both.
I honestly cannot believe the issues with this exhaust, and at at $2500 price point is truly is NOT ACCEPTABLE and based on numerous times I have reached out to SW with problems on this installation, it should have been resovled by a replacement (and proper) system being shipped to me ASAP!!! YOU NEED TO STAND BEHIND YOUR PRODUCT!!!
Now for the full story.
This has been a nightmare from the start. I actually ordered the exhaust at the end of November. After going back and forth every few days with the vendor, I was given the runaround, shipped, not shipped, ship next week, ship in a few days, etc....
The exhaust finally arrived some time in January!! YES! JANUARY!!
It was a few more weeks before I could get the time to install it, but when I did, I encountered the issues listed above. That was the 1st time I installed it!
Since I could not get it to line up, I went back to it a few weeks later, and uninstalled the ENTIRE exhaust, and reinstalled it again. Guess what??? SAME EXACT ISSUES!
So today, it was a nice day, I figured I would try to finally line this thing up. So I take it entirely apart again, and reinstall yet again! SIX HOURS TODAY taking it apart and fighting to get this piece of garbage aligned. And its not better than it was the first 2 times!!!
I am at the point now where I am going to reach out to Stainless Works as clearly there is a defect somewhere in the manufacturing process, cutting process or bending process that is not allowing this system to install correctly. But to make it worse, I feel that there are issues with a few pieces, and it is not just 1 part.
If Stainless Works is not responsive and does not take accounability for what is most likely an obvious manufacturing issue, I feel that I will need to reach out to my credit card company and possibly an attorney. I have invested probably 16-17 hours in this exhaust, and it should only take maybe 2-3 to install????
To put it mildly I am FURIOUS with this. I should have followed my gut and spent the extra bucks for a reputable exhaust company.
You are killing me!!! Been waiting for this video but no sound tests at the end!!! Great video as always can't wait to hear how it sounds with the valves open!
+justin jaquette It's live!!!!
+Lethalhammer sounds Amazing!!!! Ok ok I'm sold. FYI I have the 2016 2SS Manual and I feel like the CAI intake make a pretty solid difference in feel after installation. Feels like it's got more get up.
Holy crap! Officially something just got added to my wish list in the fridge.... Hella nice!
Sounds great! Cant wait for to hear the high revs video! Hammer on!
Cool video, any idea whats the weight difference between the OEM and this system?
great sound looking forward to the Dyno tests!
Could you make a video showing exactly where to place the pads in the front and rear when using a 2 post lift on a gen 6?
Fantastic Matt. Makes me very excited to get this setup for my own 2SS. Can't wait to see the dyno numbers.
+John Weber Keep in mind I did test pipes as well.
Just perfect and a great sound!!! I love it. The fitter has worked well. Have fun with the new exhaust.
I have a question on the website Phastek, there is a option for Cat options, offroad pipes or catted pipes. Are the catted pipes the same as the test pipe you have? or different.
Just found my exhaust for my 16 ,,, I enjoyed the video
$170 labor cost is cheap. Good for you. It looks great. Can't wait for the next video.
+David Rye I mean I did help.
So if I wanted to straight pipe my 17 Camaro SS can I just keep the afm's plugged in and tied up somewhere or would I need to tune that out? Thanks for another good video
GREAT video. Did you weigh the old vs new system? Wondering what was the weight difference?
Sledge, which high-flow cats did you use in this video? Upgrading the catback soon and I’d like to do everything at once. Great video!
Nice Job, really Like the Vid. Hope to hear the Beast on Saturday!
+dvdigitall if you come you're definitely going to here it
Active fuel management is only on the Automatic?
Ahhhh was going to tell you to do a startup with open headers lol I ran my car a couple of times on the drag strip with open headers and it sounded like a monster! Low end power sucked but the higher end power difference was insane.
+Alex Camaro I thought about firing it up but I didn't want to deal with any ECU issues. Also the shop had a lot of people in it and we didn't want to make everyone def
What does the secondary cat's do? You can get get rid of them without any issues? Do you run your exhaust in any other modes where the flaps close? I've noticed even in sport or track once the car warms up after the first few minutes the car quiets. I was told these flaps don't stay fully open (programmed by GM), there is a fuse you can remove so they stay wide open & they were right.
Damn it, I need a go pro to justify my cam videos/sound. Lol sounds pretty good. Quick question though, since the valve closed up on you while starting it in sport mode I'm assuming you did not do a fuse pull exhaust valve, my question is will you do a fuse pull video with the new exhaust, just to compare the sound with it full open? Sorry if I'm getting ahead of myself and spoiling and future video hehe
+Juve Madrigal there's a no need to pull the fuse on this setup. Even when into or mode its twice if not 3 times louder than the stock dual mode exhaust set up. In track mode it's a race car
Sick car man. Question, what wheels are you running?
Does this void warranty? The BB warranty and power train or is it just exhaust warranty?
I know this an old video but hopefully you still get comment notifications. I'd like to know how the system ended holding up and is it the Legend or Redline system? I'm thinking of this system with quad tips..Redline edition. $2400. It's expensive so I'd be interested in a years later update if you would recommend this system?!? I have the AFM system and still a year on my warranty so I can't just Tune out the CEL if air unplug the valve actuator.
This is the classic. The redline and legend are new. I recently posted a video on all 3. ruclips.net/video/7zNFDm1YrTU/видео.html
Has held up pretty good!
@@Lethalgarage ok. Thank you for the response!
How did you first slide in pipe not leak under the driver seat? My clamp that came with my stainless works catback would not keep it from leaking.
First....love your videos!!! I am back in a Camaro for the first time since 1978. Just bought a 2018 Redline Edition 2SS with NPP. I want to change the exhaust. I know this video is from July 2016. Do you still recommend the Stainless Works Catback? That white SS is sweet bro!
Sounds insane man!!
cool video I actually watched the whole thing. will your car still go into stealth mode with this exaust?
+chris sanchez Kindof. You can control it into Stealth mode, but it is still louder than stock. They all are.
It does sound amazing!
How much was the system? Any lights on in your dash also?
Did you have an eng warning light come on after install?
Badass car! Does installing the stainless works void the factory warranty?
+Autumn McFarland voids the factory warranty on your exhaust ;)
How come you wanted to put cats back on instead of leaving the test pipes in place?
It´s a `bit work` but then you have a wicked cool sound, great man!
Any weight savings ?
will you be posting a before and after with all the different exhaust systems? that would be awesome to compare them side by side, although I know my speaker quality doesn't do it justice
Yeah, putting together the video as we speak.
Hey Lethal..!! Really enjoy the videos. I'm considering the Stainless Works catback with NPP and AFM. It's hard to determine the sound quality from stock to aftermarket. I'm an ex-Harley biker so I really enjoy a deep, loud rumble of my exhaust system. How would you describe the sound of the SW system you installed...? Much thanks and keep the videos coming...!!
+Scott Pearson the cat back system is currently the deepest and most natural sounding exhaust I have heard. And that's why I love it.
Matt, I'm thinking of getting this system or the Borla, which do you think is best? I have a stock 2017 as 50th anniversary.
Do you know if this is the equivalent to the stainless works turbo S-tube exhaust for the 2013 Camaro SS?
I can't decide between the chambered round (Retro) and the turbo S-tube for mine.. any feedback would be awesome!
Btw, love seeing the camaro build take place little by little =D
sweet ride, sounds like a beast any Dyno results.
+Victor Salazar Dyno testing soon
Can you pass emissions with the test pipes?
@@Only1jb._ no
I have the same exhaust and I'm having massive issues getting this thing installed one of the issues is getting it lined up the other is the 2 and 1/4 inch clamp will not fit on the left side lead pipe going into the catalytic converter how did you get yours on
Awesome video! How long did the entire install take?
+Mike Rizzo About 2 hours, but that was due to me stopping to record etc.
Are both valves supposed tyo close on startup in stealth mode? I only have one closing and I even bought a new Actuator and it wont close the valve either WTF? hope you can help Matt
Headers look like they will be a pain in the ass to install. How do the stock manifolds look?
+JIMBO SLICE The stock setup is like shorties. But yes removal is a bitch.
Hey Lethal, I don’t know if you could answer this but I know you’re in California and that Stainless Works claims to be California legal. I was wondering if the exhaust ever cause you problems with smog or cops as I’m interested in getting the Redline exhaust system as well.
The sound is louder than CA law if you remove the cats
@@Lethalgarage with the exhaust system would i have to remove the cats or can i keep them on?
Sounds great! Does new exhaust impact emissions at all and will it still be CA compliant?
+PistolPete63 the stock exhaust should be complying is long as you leave your primary cats and place
Stainless Works is the best, very good decision. Just wondering if you weighed the new parts vs the old parts to see how much weight you took off? I really like the 2016 Camaro SS.
+Newton Washinton the plan was to weigh both setups. Unfortunately the scale broke that morning. I do have the stock exhaust still so I am going to weigh it is soon as I can get to a wait station
+Newton Washinton weight*
I have been watching your channel for a while and I really like lots of things you are doing with your Camaro. I just purchased my 2017 2ss. my question is where exactly do you get things like your exhaust, lowering springs, etc put on at cause in el paso tx, I just cannot seem to find anyone here who is knowledgeable enough to work on my Camaro this December
+wally wilz My brother in-law owns a shop and he helps me or I do it myself.
can you do a video on cleaning the inside of the rear window? any tips
Small hands!
Hey Lethal if I use the Borla dual mode exhaust would it fit on GM’s system?
Wrestled aligning this system for hours on my gen 6 ZL1 and it still rattles like hell.
Can you put the stock exhaust back on for warranty work? Is this 100% reversible?
Yup
Where are all of the track suspension guys ? The suspension is just too soft, but I'm not seeing any racers. I have a 1le and I'm looking for solid upgrades. I tried the BMR springs , but they were a little disappointing, so I went to H & R for springs. Still to soft. Any recommendations ? And not Eibachs.... totally made for comfort. I came from a Mustang, in which we had Steeda, Roush, Saleen and a ton of quality vendors. I'm not seeing the love on the Chevy side. There seems to be a lack of suspension vendors. There's a tuner for the magnetic ride ( DSC); which again, they seem to lean towards comfort. I'm a track guy ( road course) and suspension and road feel is everything!
DDSVs are among the best. GM did it right from factory. If you want harsh, you have to move to a coil over
@@Lethalgarage the spool valves are awesome!! I drove a Zl1 1le and it feels perfect!! They are pricey for the budget minded, and the springs still sit a little high. My biggest problem is finding a performance spring. Every single one that is made has comfort in mind, with the exception of the DSSV. Would love to have them, but 4k (or whatever I remember seeing); is a lot of money to pay. I will look and see if I can find any that doesn't cost as much as a supercharger :-)
are the new pipes flattened out near the back the way the factory ones appear to be
+molgar the destroyer they are not
Forgive me if i missed this, but did the cat deletes/test pipes throw a CEL for you? Thanks!
+T Thimling Yes. You need a tune for the cat deletes to not pop a cel
Will my check engine come on if I take off my secondary cats
Most likely, yes
Every time I see your videos it inspire me to make my 16 2SS to look just as nice as yours. That exhaust sound mean as sh!t!! I have a question though. I want to start working on getting more power and getting better gas mileage. I'll eventually get a cold air intake and new exhaust. Is there one I should get first or is there something I should do first?? I'm not as paid as you and I can't get everything all at once. I watch your videos all the time and I appreciate your time. Thanks
+Daymeion Brantley I lean into the Roto-Fab CAI as a great upgrade. Just keep in mind that the more upgrades you do eventually you're going to lose out on gas mileage
LethalGarage where is your man Justin located at? If you don’t mind me asking
Dustin is in Temecula,
LethalGarage what’s the name of the shop?
Nice exhaust system. Justin and me sound alike. I'm justi. Too lol. Exhaust system sounds great. I'm looking into getting exhaust system and cold air intake on my ss.
Thanks for the videos Lethal. I purchased the same Catback and installed on my 1SS 6spd. I found it very hard to cruise on the freeway and get away from the drone, enough to the point I am removing it and going with Borla. I have been disappointed with Stainless Works after reaching out to them regarding first a CEL issue then the drone. Long story short I had to use silicone on the slip on connector at the driver side cat to eliminate the CEL but only after researching forums with little to no help from S.W.; a small leak is all took for a P0420 code. Nonetheless, I am looking to get rid of the system. If you have any ideas, I'm open (I'm located in San Diego). I am beyond frustrated after reaching out to S.W. for a return or potential exchange in regards to the drone issue (its obnoxious even in tour mode with the 6spd) and they basically came back to say sucks to be you, we're not going to help you out. Its all a matter of opinion, obviously, but with a dB meter full acceleration inside the cabin in tour was reading 80dB, in "drone mode" it was reading 85 db . Outside of drone, it sounds awesome but I can't live with it anymore.
It will drone, its an off-road setup. If sound isn't your key driver the SW system is most likely not a pick for you. Corsa and Borla all go quite at higher rpms. I have no issues with CEL's, but sucks they haven't gotten back to you. I don't know anyone currently looking for a system. I assume you got the catback?
It's is an identical system to yours. I've assumed this isn't the case, so I'll ask the question, with all the freeway driving you do, does yours drone at 70 to 80 mph cruising?
+Chris McDaniel Mine for sure drones. But I got it for that sound.
+Chris McDaniel Hey Chris did you find a buyer for your SW system? If not how much are you selling it for?
Yes, I still have it. Asking 850.
Love the video. Very in depth. Informative...
+Kieryn Wright Thanks!
Awesome setup man! I love the sound...
Now I'm wondering if with this setup you got can you still use your engine sound management? I'm looking for a catback my self and still debating on which one to get, but I want mine to have the control over the sound still like it does with the npp. . help please?
+Miguel Garza yes. I got a system that supports the Dual Mode exhaust.
+Lethalhammer cool and also. which one would you recommend. I'm debating from Borla axle back and mid pipes, or just a stainless works catback? Borla or SW?
+Miguel Garza it's all subjective, but I really like the deeper natural tone of the SW system. Borla's system muffler that natural deep tone in a an odd way.
+Lethalhammer yes that's what I'm looking for a deeper tone. and also SW is way cheaper
+Lethalhammer so what about the afm valves I have a manual so mine don't have any
I took of my exhaust from the Resonator and down and can’t seem to place it on any clues or ideas why?
Sweet dude!! Deep rumble and sounds great. Gotta do some sound clips and maybe a drive by so we get to hear that badboy. Have you heard or know anybody with the Corsa Extreme cat back system? I'm considering the Corsa but I don't know anyone who has actually heard it. I heard its mean and loud. What are your thoughts? Thanks Matt for another great vid.
+Dave the Viking working on more vids as we soeak
after changing it, the yellow check light turns on?
Yes, these are off-road exhaust systems, check engine light will turn on
ZL1 magpad is not required for a lift?
Nope, not when lifting from all 4 corners
Is there a difference with factory connect vs the performance connect (straight to SW headers)? I’m planning to get the factory connect because I have no headers right now but will I still be able to install headers in the future? Planning on kooks 2in
You will most likely have to swap the connection once you get headers.
I installed the Cat-Back exhaust from stainless works on my 2017 50th Anniversary convertible 2SS. It gave me a CEL, was told its because the AFM valves sit in a hallo housing (on the pipe). AWE makes a Simulator for it and says it's to take the CEL away. What can you tell me about it? Is the AFM connectors on yours also hallo? What do you recommend?
Never had a CEL as the AFM valves think they are still working for mine
@LethalGarage thanks for the reply, I called Stainless works earlier today and left a message. Hopefully they can help me figure this out, I'm not sure if I want to tune it out (also got the roto fab intake). I'm here in the bay area California and you know how it is trying to pass a smog after a Tune. Any advice you can give me will be much appreciated. Maybe I'll see you in the next Car Show, a freind wants me to join a local Camaro Club here in SJ
What kit did you install on your vert? I have one and am just concerned with clearance for the convertible bracing.
This is probably a dumb question but do this same tail pipes go on a '15 camaro
+OG NASTY they are not.
if you don't mind me asking how much did you spend on the install I have the same system on the way and just wondering thanks
+Allen Wade $170
+Lethalhammer thanks for the quick reply cant wait until i get mine and get it installed
+Allen Wade ,$170
Hello Lethalhammer,
Did u delete all cats ? Iam asking cuz if we in europa talking abt "catback" then we mean changin exhaust after cats and let stock cats in.
+René Rychen for testing purposes and offroad purposes the car does not have cath on it currently. But we will be installing the factory primary cats next week
how much does this improve the performance? like numbers wise
about 9HP and 11trq in my testing.
hey the color on your car to the bottom the black edges around your car is that a kit or Factory
It is the GM body kit for the 2016 Camaro SS
got a question when disabling the AFM active fuel management so it doesnt go into v4 mode ever, do u just have to pull the plug where u pointed out that goes into the exhaust and its disabled? or is there more to it than that?
+vxptc1 there is a lot more to it. What this exhaust does is deletes the valves that are in line with the exhaust. I use the range device that actually kills the active fuel management from activating from the motor side it plugged into ODB sensor port and it cost the couple hundred bucks.
Hi, did they send you the cable to connect to the NPP motor. Thanks
+Brandon Tran The extension cable was for the AFM actuator.
oh thank you
but do you know the name and model of the cable.
+Brandon Tran ummm. It was in the plastic bag. I don't have the paperwork anymore.
Awesome production and just a great vid overall. I am looking into purchasing a Camaro myself. Most likely it wont be a brand new one, but I am trying to find an older 1LE or ZL1.
+ReggaeDubSoundSystem all great choices
Is this the oem diffuser?
+Zach Zuurdeeg it is the oem body kit diffuser
Lethalhammer Okay thank you! it looks great!
who is tuning it for no cats? what are you doing for the tuning over all, running the stock tune for testing then putting the cats back on, so tuning twice.
+Clayton Yates No tune currently, running all stock.
+Lethalhammer thanks for the reply. let us know the details of what you do for tuning please
+Clayton Yates will do
sounds great I wonder how much it costs with labor. keep it up love your channel.
+Bishoy Gebrael I paid $170
What size exhaust tube did you use. 3"??
Yes 3"
Nice job!
How much was that setup?
+eld1200 about $1,700 + $170 for the rack time and help to install. Goes faster with a trained tech.
Hey brother my stainless works catback keeps throwing CEL's. Theres no leak. So is it possible the actuator was installed on the wrong side. Any idea??
+BlueDog 600 stick or auto?
Can I upgrade my 2016 camaro ss without dual mode npp factory to dual mode npp performance? I know that I´ll need to change the rear diffuser to get more room for the new muffler.
Yes, just get the option like I got that supports dual mode. It keeps the functionality of the GM offering.
Whats the music track called your using in this? My shazam let me down :(
can u put that on the RS?
+EddieBoy B This system is built for the SS.
Hey lethal I hope you can help , I just installed some magnaflows on my 17 camaro rs , but now I got a check engine light on and the remote start won’t work please help thanks 🙏🏼
CEL will cause remote start to stop working. What sort of system? Cat back?
LethalGarage no lethal it’s the mufflers only not the whole cat back , I read the code , p0073 , I dindt disconnect the battery when I was doing the installation
P0073 - Ambient Air Temperature Sensor it was working fine before the installation I guess I’ll have to take it to the dealer
I'm just digging the weight loss. Thanks for the vids.
+mstrwil73 No Prob.
Please do a nice long sound video!!!! Inside and out!!!!!!
+Travis Smith inside sound is really hard to capture, but going to try with the new mic.
you know in previous vid. people were talking about why so many modeks. why not only ss. Well the ls and lt platforms actually sell the most so that enables gm to produce the v8 versions. So without the lower model there would be no ss1 or ss2 or zl1. same with corvette. they gave a very select crowd. And the base corvettes allow fir zo6 and zr1. So Nevermind those who are ignorant to the truth of hiw car sales work.
+kabar48 The LS is no more. LT, SS, ZL1.
I dont like the way your exhaust
is flat in two places to clear.
Would restrict flow.
Ended up trading my 2016 1SS for a 2016 focus ST my Camaro got vandalized 2 times in 3 months it only had 1,700 miles on it but I still have my 2013 ZR1 its a shame if you have a nice car you gotta hide it in a garage
+DustinCorvetteZr1 man that sucks.
I did mine on jack stands it was a BITCH to get to bolts
I m watching it 2nd time forgot to like first time got lost while watching
"off road only" LMAO
+Michael Watters ;)
hmmm. Well I guess I'll keep that in mind and see if I can get better. I mean dam I am a master grower and have cess to pot farms. And a badass ride. everyone I know says I'm living quote the life. and yet I can get many huts on youtube. lol. I suck. I n eN Tommy chong was my boss for two years. lol. yet look at my channel vids of him don't get many hits.
Gotta leave the cats off!
+hydroboy35th Yes... yes I do
i dont know that why u guys just removing those catalytic converters. the gain is not that much. but too bad for environment.