Omg. It's so true! I totally have done this. Obsession is the most selfish and narcissistic thing that we can claim to feel for a person. It reduces them to a means for our happiness. Ugh. I showed up to this persons house unannounced and uninvited. Drawn by some catastrophic zero fucks feeling. It's amazing how fast a lack of reason and dignity can set in. It's disastrous. Being at the mercy of my Venus square his Pluto should mean I am the more sensible one but in fact I'm the one acting like the Pluto. I don't understand but I have to hope that my empathy will carry me through without making more of a nut job. It's so embarrassing! Goddess help me! 🤣😭💀
Interesting, I just watched a short National Geographic video on Pluto and it’s interesting how it changed my view of Pluto in astrology. It’s way out in such a dark place and it’s tiny, about the size of our moon. It has a few moons of its own and it’s main moon is nearly the same size as Pluto, this makes its gravitational pull different causing the two to orbit with each other rather than the moon orbiting around Pluto. So, Pluto and it’s moon are constantly looking at each other in the same view, like we only see one side of our moon but if you were on our moon looking back at Earth, you’d see it rotating. These two are ‘obsessed ‘ with one another... another thing they discovered was that Pluto’s surface has a shape of a heart on it. It changed the way I saw Pluto, I used to see Pluto as more of a masculine planet out on its own darkness but now I feel it’s more feminine and it is more of ‘the lovers’ kind of planet in my opinion. They’re the only ones that dance together while all eyes on each other but yes, I could see obsessiveness about this but, a heart shape on the planet it’s self... I think the way we’ve always thought of Pluto might be in the midsts of ‘transformation’ 😬.
Con que planeta tiene aspecto Plutón que sucede eso? Hace 3 meses nos dejamos de hablar y hace unos días lo comencé a recordar y le escribí, me dijo que también pensó en mí pero que no me escribió porque pensó que yo no le iba a responder. Solamente nos escribimos y hablamos por teléfono, ahora nos volvimos a agregar en los contactos. Pero obviamente no seguimos. Igual creo que así como el está en mí cabeza, seguro estoy en la de el también.
because my moon is in scorpio and my whole fucking generation has pluto in scorpio, it's almost impossible to find a non plutonic relationship. Obsession has always been an issue.
You are learning to identify true love not codependent love. Scorpios are very very sexy smart and loving powerful. You can only know yourself with pluto in Scorpio.
@@nicole9387 thanks for the comment. Omg I had forgotten completely about this comment haha. Yes I think it's very important to learn to recognise codependency, I feel I finally start seeing and entangling the patterns. However I do think that other pluto placements are able to as well. It also depends on a willingness of knowing oneself.
+Jewel Mayberry this makes so much sense im positive the first guy i thought was my twin was a pluto obsession now, what are we looking for in the charts ?
+sarah johnson the only pluto i see in the charts with my three major connections is - connection 1 Pluto Opposition Mercury 0.35 -68 and Pluto Conjunction Pluto 4.37 43 - connection 2 the most crazy obsessive one Mercury Trine Pluto 1.24 57 connection 3 least obsessive but most growth ive had in a connection Pluto Sextile Jupiter 0.32 52
The growth is just a consequence of the TF connection. The primary goal of TF is taking into their etheric bodies the negative ancestral energetic patterns of the families they’re born in, then purge them in order to cleanse those family trees. It’s not about romance even though TF CAN REUNITE for real if this is part of the agreement they made before they incarnate. Regarding the “one sided and obsessive love”, in authentic TF connections typically there’s a “chaser and a “runner” in the dynamics with partners switching those roles. If they don’t switch roles, it’s not a TF connection. The problem is that such dynamics can be confused with the Plutonian obsession and stalking however there are unmistakable signs that ONLY a TF union presents. If you want to understand this in details, check goldraytwinflames channel here in RUclips: it’s one of the best to comprehend the true mission of TF and the authentic signs of such union.
I think Plutonic relationships can encourage growth cause it'll unearth you so much and you'll feel utterly exposed and shaken. Pluto can see through all your insecurities / lies and fears and make you face your darkest fears. As a Plutonian I've had to gone through many 'painful' things in my life in order to learn and become stronger, of course that isn't what I'm looking for in a relationship, but it has happened in the past and I've grown from it if that makes sense. Everything is a lesson for me. I'm always transformed at the end of the day.
I have Sun Square Pluto natally and he has a Scorpio moon. Slowly accepting that our relationship was Plutonic. His Pluto Square my Moon and Mars. We was DEADLY to eachother. Too much power struggles. Taught me alot, Im not the same person anymore in all sense. Mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually etc.
I'm a Libra sun, Sagittarius moon. This is sooo uncanny. I met this guy with a Sag sun, and I thought we were perfect for each other! After a few months of casual dating, he thought it'd be better if we stayed friends. I handled it diplomatically, but got SO OBSESSED ABOUT WHY HE COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WE WERE PERFECT. Hahahahahaha god, thank you for the much needed insight. My Pluto was tightly conjuncting his Venus and Pluto, squaring his Saturn, and opposite his Moon.... weakly conjuncting his Sun, Mercury, and Ascendant......... I learned so much myopic synastry then
AMAZING and mind blowing! You have such a deep & intense (pun intended, LOL) knowledge and wisdom about Pluto! You have given me so much clarity about Pluto for me to see how I am affected by it! I'm trying not to get obsessive of you (my Pluto is showing! LOL!), but OMG! Whenever you say "super cool astrology video" I always feel like that is an understatement! They are beyond amazing and insightful videos!!!
I just realized from this video that I have been The Plutonic Chaser...only I'm not in a Harry Potter movie. Damn! Must. Put. My. Attention. Elsewhere.
I feel I had a twin flames relationship/marriage. He was born a few days before, in the morning and I in the evening about same time. In many ways our charts were a mirror of each other. It was such a growth time for both of us, very stressful and painful. He died suddenly 20 years ago. I've spent the time since growing and healing. That relationship was the powerful catalyst. I also want to say, in coming to greater understanding of my birth chart, it appears... and my experiences would support this.. it was intended I complete, dare I say, an ascension process to the next level. It has been that kind of work, a rather monastic, releasing, surrendering, soul-focused life. It was as though each step of the way was shaped to that end.
Hi darnice! I am someone who is having a bit similar experience. And would like to talk to u about ur experience. It would be a major help. Please and thanks :)
The Pluto has risen up again. I had to figure it out without help but now at least I feel validated. You call it out perfectly. It’s definitely deeply painful.! I wish I saw this video when I was younger.
Here is the thing. I have been obsessive over relationships, nothing like with the person I consider my twin. And it doesn't seem abt me. It really seems to be this biochemical energy that is activated inside of me. There is a deep need for sure, that I never could fathom.
Hello Jewel! This must be an "American" phenomenon "Twin Flames". Very strange. There must be a lot of desperate people out there. Thanks for the clairification.
possibly. im from the US myself, and only in recent years has this idea really blown up and its frightening that people are teaching people that such toxicity in relationships is okay
Your videos are indeed super cool! :) They have been helping me a lot to learn about astrology and to understand myself better. This particular one came exactly in the moment I needed it! I've been crazy about a guy for the last year and my attraction to him is the strongest I've ever felt. To be honest, I fell for him the moment he first got by my side, even before I looked at him. Crazy! He has flirted a lot with me and made me feel like my feelings were reciprocated but when I couldn't stand to wait anymore and talked to him about it, he turned me away. But it didn't make my desire any less! I managed to kinda forget him last semester by not meeting with him at all but every time he comes back, sending me any type of message, my obsessing over him starts again :( Now I see my Pluto sextiles his Venus! I've always knew I had to let go of this feeling, but I'm now a lot more sure of it after watching this video and listening o you describe how crazy I look chasing him hahaha ;)
Good for you for being able to recognize your own Pluto issues! That sextile is a powerful connection, I have experienced it myself. If you can really let him go then you will feel so much better. A tremendous weight will be off your mind.
Jewel, I am confused because I thought the connection between Pluto & planet person is felt by both but the Pluto person tends to have more control of the situation... also, it is my understanding that hard aspects & conjuncts are where the obsession is involved :/
Love your video!! . I have a moon-Pluto conjunction with an ex lover..... I had been living far from my place of birth and suddenly left my now ex husband. TwoMonths later I met a man who shook up my world. It was love at first sight, all kinds of emotions and everything. After getting his birth info I saw that his Scorpio moon is conjunct my Pluto in Scorpio (2 degrees is the orb I believe) Anyway, he ended up pushing me away, and I was devastated. I let him be but have reached out and a lot of how things are now I believe are because of actions on both ends. I haven't seen this man it what will be three years this year, and I still feel the same for him, but I have accepted how things are and just live my life. I lied about how I really felt about him at the time... And said something hurtful. One of the biggest mistakes I've made with romance. I regret not telling him the honest truth. I was afraid of rejection. Love and learn right? His sun also squares my Pluto, Venus is sextile my Pluto, his Mars opposes my Pluto, Jupiter opposite my Pluto.
What aspects would show the most potential for a Plutonian obsession? Would it be possible or as intense for this to happen with an easy aspect for example Pluto trine Venus? How would a "good" aspect from Pluto manifest itself?
This is going on right now through synastry and I think someone’s obsessed with me. Though Pluto transited my venus before and I was the obsessed one and had a stalker. Very painful, unrelenting experience and yeah feelings intensify quick. You hit every marker.
This was reallu helpful, thank you. I have sun square pluto in my natal chart. For as long as I can remember (and I am in my mid 40s) I have had infatuations. I mean from the schoolyard aged 5 or 6 ... long standing crushes, infatuations. The only time this went was when I met my 2nd husband, and that lasted 9 years. When Pluto hit my asc capricorn in Jan 2008 I met someone who i became obsessed with. I hated it, but loved it, and I transformed like nothing else. The only way I got out of that obsession, 11 years later, was when someone else walked in to my life. I am beginning to unravel this but always knew it was about me. Its a lifetime habit...how do I snap out of this? Or it is part of who I am and I just learn to live with it??? You are right though, I need that big old door slamming in my face. Thank you
I keep hearing mixed opinions about this…most people say the planet person is the one that’s obsessed and has deep feelings and the Pluto person is the one that doesn’t really care or feel the same and is just in it for power and control over the planet person
His mars conjunct my pluto and his pluto conjunct my moon and the orbit is less than 2 degrees in both aspects. The intensity takes my breath away. Not to mention his moon bang on to my ascendant.
Thank you so much, I've been searching on the Internet for answers and your video was the first to any sense to me. I have a really heavy influence of Pluto in my birth chart , do you have any tips on how to manage my Pluto energy. Thanks for a cool clip
Hi Jewel! At one of your previous videos you commented this: "The twin flame myth is always a plutonic obsession. " In this video you talk about the differences. So how do we know? Is it a plutonic relationship between more mature and spiritually awakened people? How do we possibly know that "twin flames" do exist or it isnt just some romantic notion that gives us hope and justify that its worth continuing despite all the drama and pain?
Great video and informative information. I never knew that both scenarios could easily get confused. However I was wondering who feels the obsession the planet person, outer planet or the person who is plutonic? Is the energy intensified if the planet person has the planet in Scorpio?
Scorpio planets can intensify things, yes. Both people can both be attracted when pluto is involved. Usually the planet person is more aware of the attraction but does have the power involved in it. That belongs to the Pluto person.
+Jewel Mayberry ah i wonder why i had strong spiritual connection to 2 scorpio guys they could turn my world up side down. im always the one felt the strong connection towards the Scorpio.. i told them i felt intense connected to them but they don't feel the same way such a drainer thank u oh wow now i can stop waiting and expecting. i m tired of look a like twin flame connection could cause of heart issue.. time to forget thank you so much..
Hi, this is the first time I see one of your videos. I am looking for info about Pluto because I have pluto in square with my Venus. I meet someone 11 years ago, I broke with him but we find again in February this year. I get a synastry and I noticed that his Pluto is in conjunction with my moon and in square with my Venus. Also my Pluto is in square with his Venus. He lives in another country and is planing a trip to see me. Being honest I am scared now. Any advice please 😢
My pluto conjuncts his sun venus pluto and saturn. My pluto is sextile his neptune. His pluto is sextile my neptune. His pluto conjuncts my pluto. I dont feel crazy possessive over him though. Its actually the first situationship that I feel it feels normal. Hes consistent. We express ourselves easily. We have libra in pluto.
I agree with this but I will add that I had our “Cosmic Love” chart run (Jan Spiller) and we had SO much karma going on! There is no universe that could contain the intensity of that relationship. He was HEAVY Scorpio. I do question whether it was me or the idea of me? Our Synastry overlay has my Cap Venus in his 8th house. Who the hell knows... but he drained me and lifted me... but mostly depleted me on such levels that the relationship really was hell.
It is a subject that comes and goes but never really leaves. There has been a lot more talk of this in just the last couple years. I think it's just becoming a popular topic, not happening more.
This comment is way after your video date but could I relate. I met an online man and he came on really fast and strong. I was trying to slow it down but had to admit i liked the chase. When i looked up our aspects i saw pluto square moon to the degree, pluto square venus and mars. I am Pluto nian as I have pluto seventh house and a stellium in my eighth. I got sucked in real fast and started obsessing really quickly and then he disappears. I really suffered. It is hard for me a pluto person to be in a normal relationship as I thrive on intensity. Probably better to be alone.
I'm sorry you've been tru all these.. 😔 Sending you love and healing🙏Were you the pluto aspecting his personal planets or his pluto on ur personal planets..??..
Relax guys .. the Plutonian aspect is only a fraction of the entire union .. initially starts off as very intense and obsessive so that we purge our baggage and transform. Once we have healed to a certain extent then you can use it to your advantage. You don’t need to have Pluto aspects to be told to back off from a relationship if you are acting obsessive. It’s all about transformation.
Some people don’t transform. Transformation is the potential but it’s not a guarantee. Often, change does not happen soon enough to save the relationship. The changes are something we carry with us, we are transformed often by letting the relationship go entirely.
I understand that a Plutonic relationship and a relationship between Twin Flames is something separate entirely,, but you did indicate in other videos, that with certain Pluto aspects, etc, it usually goes both ways. So, if that's true, the un-Pluto person is merely overwhelmed? Just thought I would ask for clarification! I'm a crazy Pluto person, that's why I'm here! & thank you for making this video. Somebody needed to give me this message.
It is possible to have your own Pluto or planet connect to another in such a way that they are not turned on to the same degree as you or even not at all. You have to look at everything. There could be a Mars conjunct or in hard aspect to Saturn going on or incompatible moons. Usually, it is the planet person who hooks into another's Pluto if the feelings are not reciprocated. When our own Pluto decides it wants someone, it rarely takes no for an answer right away, if at all. So, a planet person can become very enthralled with the Pluto in us and our Pluto can say no, which is the common thing. The Pluto person always has the power between the planet and Pluto.
could you maybe do a video on aspects that seem to connect two twin flames? like is there certain planetary conjunctions or is it having to do with the north node etc :)
There are no contacts that specifically indicate a twin flame connection. Hard Pluto contacts are what is involved in both scenarios, both T.F and obsessional Pluto. It's all in what the pair does with it, how it plays out. People who are going to continue to indulge their dark side of Pluto are not going to be given the chance to unite with a twin flame.
+Jewel Mayberry I find nice connection of the trine and sextile are more prone for Twin connections, backs the intensity if it is there, but it lacks the manipulation tendencies that you'd find in hardcore conjunction or opposition aspect to pluto, especially co-dpendancy. I also think that a venus conjunct jupiter aspect is usually found with these connections as well, because it creates a very loving vibe with friendship aspect at play.
There are no manipulation between me and my twin, there wont be, we are brutally honest, but I dont know about codependency. I never been with him yet. And we never spent a long period of time straight together .. I sure wanted to spent time with him at a moment in our life where he did not want to and made that clear after a few visits. Of course I did not push, it was enough for him and me since I dont want to be unappealing to anyone especially someone I care about. I am like him, if someone is too much after me when I am not interested, I dont like it at all. Of course I would not think he is my twin if we is not ever interested in me. He is then he run. He cares a lot then has to go away. It is clear to both of us why he run. We have a great communication (caring, clear, diplomatic, wise, insightful, intuitive etc) when we do communicate.
I have my Pluto in his south node for the last guy i dated. we had a strong energetic/psychic connection and chemistry, but its a mild one compared to my other connection with moon, Saturn, and mercury conjunct south node. no obsession for the Pluto conjunction guy. i don't feel he's the one for me or that he thinks im the one for him, but definitely an ongoing energetic thread. we met online 17 years ago, but only in person this last year. on the soulmate scale id rate him only 5/10 intense.
So... What if there is heavy growth in one individual (and I do mean HEAVY - completely life changing, very hard, done as a result of this relationship and done entirely without any other external influences), but little to no growth in the other individual? A bit weird, don't you think, Jewel?
That's actually really typical with heavy Pluto that isn't returned through the feelings of another.the person who has the intensity of feelings does the growing while the other is relatively unaffected and usually creeped out.
+urthebest1122 That’s a normal relationship that you are describing. People do that all the time and don’t have to be twin flames to make it happen. Most people have powerful feelings for each other when they are in love but you have to beware of the constant struggle that gets confused with destiny or fate with the twin flame myth. If it’s a struggle to get the other person to turn towards you then there is a problem and it’s not twin flame stuff that’s causing it.
Personnal planet in contact with pluto it's worse (especially Venus or Moon person). Because Pluto has mostly, the upper-hand. But we can suffer if we are the pluto person too
@@Cliona25 yea agree I have Scorpio moon. Any advices ? I’m fairly developed but I can’t flip the fucking switch . I can think and discern but I can’t control the emotional makeups/drives at will
People who can not entertain te Pluto qualities, should invest in someone else (more superficial energy). Loving deeply is something our society has lost touch on.
I never really cared for love before, but I did meet someone that made me want love whole heartedly from that person at least but I've evolved a lot since then, yet they're still on my mind and thinking about that person tends to ground me and want more for myself, it's a person I consider very precious and try as I might they still keep occupying my heart, maybe I just need to be told off for good, it wouldn't be the first time though but this time I think I can lose hope in everything
Love no and I did lose hope in everything but I still can’t stop my loving nature and now there’s someone new and a whole lot more interested. It’s hard to let go but you need to love yourself enough to do it and know there may be someone better we haven’t met
Now I’m confused lol. So I met him at a party neither of us was going to go to and instantly there was an attraction, I never felt so free with someone in my life and now I realize he sowed the seeds for me to grow and self actualize, and I’m just now understanding (4 years later) He then moved away and it hurt but I also just want to see him happy even if it’s not with me, then I had my spiritual awakening and I have Pisces on my 5th house, with Neptune in the 4th so now I’m questioning if it was as magical as I thought (I am a Cancer sun, he’s an Aries, I have an Aries descendant with the part of fortune there too), my inner knowing now feels conflicted because i see both the Pluto playing & it feels so real but now it’s like I don’t know what to trust lol
Both suns and jupiter in 8ths house synastry. His moon conjuncts my ascendent....and 5 more plutonics conections in synastry in which 3 are mine being the pluto counterpart
Sometimes i wish a guy would be obsessed with me, until now i was always the obsessed one....I have Sun/Mars/Mercury in 8th house, Pluto square Ascendant, Venus sextile Pluto
I'm currently caught in a pluto relationship. Pluto trine moon, mercury opp pluto, mars opp pluto, pluto square venus. At first, it was intense and passionate and deep. Now it's... too intense. Too much. Too obsessive and needy and I am having such a hard time letting go...
@@sheri8838 I'm sorry for your suffering.. 😔 sending you light n love🙏🌹. Were you the pluto person aspecting his planets or his pluto to ur personal planets..??..
what happens when there is quiet harmonously aspected pluto in composite, but in synastry it is mainly unaspected? or vice verse, if there are contacts in synastry, but not in composite? what is more indicative/important?
+luci9ela4 The composite chart is the last word on compatibility. The synastry shows the feelings but the composite chart shows what both people ultimately add up to. If Pluto is unaspected in synastry but heavy in the composite then that's just how it is....it's a Pluto heavy composite.
What if my chart has Pluto in the 3rd house which is ruled by Gemini which is his sun sign and he has Pluto in the 9th house which is ruled by Sagittarius which is my sun sign? Also, my fortune asteroid is in gemini and his is in Sagittarius. My Jupiter is in Taurus But I can see it's fairly close to the cusp of Gemini and his sun sign is on the cusp and sometimes he says he identifies more with Taurus. Our Venus signs both lie in the fourth house of family. There is a lot of opposition in our charts but it is almost undeniably a mirror image in so many ways
I have a question. What happens when my sappho is in a close conjunction with another persons pluto? (Im the feminine, hes the masculine in the synastry)
If i have a Venus/Jupiter in Pisces in my 8th and I have a few guy friends with their Pluto in scorpio..what does that mean if anything?? I was hoping you would say a few aspects .
Black moon Lilith exact conjunct (0,18 degrees) with my ex´s Moon and her BML even closer, 0,06, conjunct to my Moon... Plus a close Moon/Saturn conjunction. Any comments on that? Some way we managed to get out alive...
Oh dear I hear that. I have a similar issue: Pluto connections and 2 strongly platonic personalities, my lilith on his moon, my Saturn square his Venus, his Ketu on my Saturn. And that's just a few aspects. I still don't know how to manage it, I've heard that lilith is even worse than Pluto.
Interesting? I did a synastry and a composite with this one person I really had feelings for. In synastry we have psyche Eros conjunct but in Davison’s composite, we have Eros and psyche quintile? In synastry, we have sun/Pluto conjunction (me being Pluto), his Pluto quintile my Venus, his mars is novile my Pluto. In composite, we have a sextile Pluto Neptune, Pluto sextile venus, Pluto conjunct Uranus.. I’m just fascinated how a composite chart is completely different than what a synastry chart says??
ok so I have a question so when you have the pluto contacts with somebody is lets say venus puto is it the venus person who is obsessed or the pluto person and are they hard or soft aspects between the two
Not always. You can have minor aspects that add up to obsession on the composite chart when you put two people into a relationship. I have my own Venus sextile my best man friends Pluto and his Venus is sextile my Pluto- both easy aspects but the composite chart has us with Venus conjunct Pluto. That is a hard aspect. That is what we add up to.
ok then my question is if its a composite aspect how does that work who is the one that becomes obsessed if its a composite aspect iis it mutual how would that work its a composite so would the obsession go bolth ways since its a composite who get assigned each role sorry for all the questions I have virgo in my chart I analyze everything
What if your Venus is in the 8th house or in Scorpio, for a man, or Jupiter is in the 8th or in Scorpio for a woman. Should one not expect the love of their life to exhibit Pluto tendencies?
Venus opposite Pluto in a synastry would make it obsession based? But what if there are 7 opposition aspects (mostly Pluto) It's very intense and please help
What if Pluto conjunct His Pluto , Sun, Mer, Mars? He was intense then left me hanging. No stalking. Infact, I distanced myself because I literally fell in love in such a short time. We have Saturn Venus synastry and Rahu Ketu synastry too.
I do not believe in twin flames theory. But TF and soulmates are so different thing. Soulmates can be karmic relationahips. Very hard and very painful. But TF is not. They are the mirrors of each other. Very telepatic. Very alike and one. They can be a soul ftagmented into 2 souls so they feel alike, same maturity and face similar experiences. What you are saying here is soulmates, not twinflames.
What if my Pluto conjunct my partners pluto? Here is a bit of our chart together. Pluto Conjunct Pluto Moon conjunct pluto Pluto square Moon (tight orb) 0.43 orb Venus square Pluto (tight orb) 0.52 orb Pluto sextile Neptune Saturn sextile Pluto This is all the pluto in our synastry chart. we just started talking what does this mean?
it is scary how many of these people who think they have found their twin flame match the description of a stalker/psycho/schizophrenic.
+Meorrrrw Obsessive feelings can do that to a person. It's a good clue that one needs to just detach and move their attention elsewhere.
Omg. It's so true! I totally have done this. Obsession is the most selfish and narcissistic thing that we can claim to feel for a person. It reduces them to a means for our happiness. Ugh. I showed up to this persons house unannounced and uninvited. Drawn by some catastrophic zero fucks feeling. It's amazing how fast a lack of reason and dignity can set in. It's disastrous. Being at the mercy of my Venus square his Pluto should mean I am the more sensible one but in fact I'm the one acting like the Pluto. I don't understand but I have to hope that my empathy will carry me through without making more of a nut job. It's so embarrassing! Goddess help me! 🤣😭💀
Meorrrrw lol
What pluto aspects create this?
Interesting, I just watched a short National Geographic video on Pluto and it’s interesting how it changed my view of Pluto in astrology. It’s way out in such a dark place and it’s tiny, about the size of our moon. It has a few moons of its own and it’s main moon is nearly the same size as Pluto, this makes its gravitational pull different causing the two to orbit with each other rather than the moon orbiting around Pluto. So, Pluto and it’s moon are constantly looking at each other in the same view, like we only see one side of our moon but if you were on our moon looking back at Earth, you’d see it rotating. These two are ‘obsessed ‘ with one another... another thing they discovered was that Pluto’s surface has a shape of a heart on it.
It changed the way I saw Pluto, I used to see Pluto as more of a masculine planet out on its own darkness but now I feel it’s more feminine and it is more of ‘the lovers’ kind of planet in my opinion. They’re the only ones that dance together while all eyes on each other but yes, I could see obsessiveness about this but, a heart shape on the planet it’s self... I think the way we’ve always thought of Pluto might be in the midsts of ‘transformation’ 😬.
But I'm not stalking just can't get that boy out of my head.
Melody Montana exactly same
Same it is so nonsense . I do know it is not worth it but can’t flip the switch
Lol
Same here 😭
Con que planeta tiene aspecto Plutón que sucede eso?
Hace 3 meses nos dejamos de hablar y hace unos días lo comencé a recordar y le escribí, me dijo que también pensó en mí pero que no me escribió porque pensó que yo no le iba a responder.
Solamente nos escribimos y hablamos por teléfono, ahora nos volvimos a agregar en los contactos. Pero obviamente no seguimos.
Igual creo que así como el está en mí cabeza, seguro estoy en la de el también.
This is such an important distinction! Thank you for talking about this. How I wish this were common knowledge!
because my moon is in scorpio and my whole fucking generation has pluto in scorpio, it's almost impossible to find a non plutonic relationship. Obsession has always been an issue.
You are learning to identify true love not codependent love. Scorpios are very very sexy smart and loving powerful. You can only know yourself with pluto in Scorpio.
@@nicole9387 thanks for the comment. Omg I had forgotten completely about this comment haha. Yes I think it's very important to learn to recognise codependency, I feel I finally start seeing and entangling the patterns. However I do think that other pluto placements are able to as well. It also depends on a willingness of knowing oneself.
So, twin flames a relationship based on mutual growth? Vs a plutonic relationship that is usually one sided and based on obsessive tendencies?
You got it.
+Jewel Mayberry this makes so much sense im positive the first guy i thought was my twin was a pluto obsession now, what are we looking for in the charts ?
+sarah johnson the only pluto i see in the charts with my three major connections is - connection 1 Pluto Opposition Mercury 0.35 -68 and
Pluto Conjunction Pluto 4.37 43 -
connection 2 the most crazy obsessive one Mercury Trine Pluto 1.24 57 connection 3 least obsessive but most growth ive had in a connection Pluto Sextile Jupiter 0.32 52
The growth is just a consequence of the TF connection. The primary goal of TF is taking into their etheric bodies the negative ancestral energetic patterns of the families they’re born in, then purge them in order to cleanse those family trees. It’s not about romance even though TF CAN REUNITE for real if this is part of the agreement they made before they incarnate. Regarding the “one sided and obsessive love”, in authentic TF connections typically there’s a “chaser and a “runner” in the dynamics with partners switching those roles. If they don’t switch roles, it’s not a TF connection. The problem is that such dynamics can be confused with the Plutonian obsession and stalking however there are unmistakable signs that ONLY a TF union presents. If you want to understand this in details, check goldraytwinflames channel here in RUclips: it’s one of the best to comprehend the true mission of TF and the authentic signs of such union.
I think Plutonic relationships can encourage growth cause it'll unearth you so much and you'll feel utterly exposed and shaken. Pluto can see through all your insecurities / lies and fears and make you face your darkest fears. As a Plutonian I've had to gone through many 'painful' things in my life in order to learn and become stronger, of course that isn't what I'm looking for in a relationship, but it has happened in the past and I've grown from it if that makes sense. Everything is a lesson for me. I'm always transformed at the end of the day.
finally some answers!! i think this is the answer I have been seeking. thank you. sad, but will help me move on.
I have Sun Square Pluto natally and he has a Scorpio moon. Slowly accepting that our relationship was Plutonic. His Pluto Square my Moon and Mars. We was DEADLY to eachother. Too much power struggles. Taught me alot, Im not the same person anymore in all sense. Mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually etc.
I'm a Libra sun, Sagittarius moon. This is sooo uncanny. I met this guy with a Sag sun, and I thought we were perfect for each other! After a few months of casual dating, he thought it'd be better if we stayed friends. I handled it diplomatically, but got SO OBSESSED ABOUT WHY HE COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WE WERE PERFECT. Hahahahahaha god, thank you for the much needed insight. My Pluto was tightly conjuncting his Venus and Pluto, squaring his Saturn, and opposite his Moon.... weakly conjuncting his Sun, Mercury, and Ascendant......... I learned so much myopic synastry then
AMAZING and mind blowing! You have such a deep & intense (pun intended, LOL) knowledge and wisdom about Pluto! You have given me so much clarity about Pluto for me to see how I am affected by it! I'm trying not to get obsessive of you (my Pluto is showing! LOL!), but OMG! Whenever you say "super cool astrology video" I always feel like that is an understatement! They are beyond amazing and insightful videos!!!
I just realized from this video that I have been The Plutonic Chaser...only I'm not in a Harry Potter movie. Damn! Must. Put. My. Attention. Elsewhere.
I feel I had a twin flames relationship/marriage. He was born a few days before, in the morning and I in the evening about same time. In many ways our charts were a mirror of each other. It was such a growth time for both of us, very stressful and painful. He died suddenly 20 years ago. I've spent the time since growing and healing. That relationship was the powerful catalyst. I also want to say, in coming to greater understanding of my birth chart, it appears... and my experiences would support this.. it was intended I complete, dare I say, an ascension process to the next level. It has been that kind of work, a rather monastic, releasing, surrendering, soul-focused life. It was as though each step of the way was shaped to that end.
Hi darnice! I am someone who is having a bit similar experience. And would like to talk to u about ur experience. It would be a major help. Please and thanks :)
The Pluto has risen up again. I had to figure it out without help but now at least I feel validated. You call it out perfectly. It’s definitely deeply painful.! I wish I saw this video when I was younger.
Here is the thing. I have been obsessive over relationships, nothing like with the person I consider my twin. And it doesn't seem abt me. It really seems to be this biochemical energy that is activated inside of me. There is a deep need for sure, that I never could fathom.
Hello Jewel! This must be an "American" phenomenon "Twin Flames". Very strange. There must be a lot of desperate people out there. Thanks for the clairification.
possibly. im from the US myself, and only in recent years has this idea really blown up and its frightening that people are teaching people that such toxicity in relationships is okay
Your videos are indeed super cool! :) They have been helping me a lot to learn about astrology and to understand myself better. This particular one came exactly in the moment I needed it!
I've been crazy about a guy for the last year and my attraction to him is the strongest I've ever felt. To be honest, I fell for him the moment he first got by my side, even before I looked at him. Crazy! He has flirted a lot with me and made me feel like my feelings were reciprocated but when I couldn't stand to wait anymore and talked to him about it, he turned me away. But it didn't make my desire any less! I managed to kinda forget him last semester by not meeting with him at all but every time he comes back, sending me any type of message, my obsessing over him starts again :(
Now I see my Pluto sextiles his Venus! I've always knew I had to let go of this feeling, but I'm now a lot more sure of it after watching this video and listening o you describe how crazy I look chasing him hahaha
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Good for you for being able to recognize your own Pluto issues! That sextile is a powerful connection, I have experienced it myself. If you can really let him go then you will feel so much better. A tremendous weight will be off your mind.
Jewel, I am confused because I thought the connection between Pluto & planet person is felt by both but the Pluto person tends to have more control of the situation... also, it is my understanding that hard aspects & conjuncts are where the obsession is involved :/
Love your video!! . I have a moon-Pluto conjunction with an ex lover..... I had been living far from my place of birth and suddenly left my now ex husband. TwoMonths later I met a man who shook up my world. It was love at first sight, all kinds of emotions and everything. After getting his birth info I saw that his Scorpio moon is conjunct my Pluto in Scorpio (2 degrees is the orb I believe) Anyway, he ended up pushing me away, and I was devastated. I let him be but have reached out and a lot of how things are now I believe are because of actions on both ends. I haven't seen this man it what will be three years this year, and I still feel the same for him, but I have accepted how things are and just live my life. I lied about how I really felt about him at the time... And said something hurtful. One of the biggest mistakes I've made with romance. I regret not telling him the honest truth. I was afraid of rejection. Love and learn right? His sun also squares my Pluto, Venus is sextile my Pluto, his Mars opposes my Pluto, Jupiter opposite my Pluto.
Patience Howard how’s it going now?
Congratulations for the video, Jewel! Which astrological aspects would indicate a twin flame connection? Saturn or Pluto connections to the nodes?
Thanks for the drag!
+T Reality bites.
😂😂😂
What aspects would show the most potential for a Plutonian obsession? Would it be possible or as intense for this to happen with an easy aspect for example Pluto trine Venus? How would a "good" aspect from Pluto manifest itself?
Am curious to know the easy aspect too.
This is going on right now through synastry and I think someone’s obsessed with me. Though Pluto transited my venus before and I was the obsessed one and had a stalker. Very painful, unrelenting experience and yeah feelings intensify quick. You hit every marker.
People ... mature your Pluto and you will help transform yourself and that other contact in synastry.
This was reallu helpful, thank you. I have sun square pluto in my natal chart. For as long as I can remember (and I am in my mid 40s) I have had infatuations. I mean from the schoolyard aged 5 or 6 ... long standing crushes, infatuations. The only time this went was when I met my 2nd husband, and that lasted 9 years. When Pluto hit my asc capricorn in Jan 2008 I met someone who i became obsessed with. I hated it, but loved it, and I transformed like nothing else. The only way I got out of that obsession, 11 years later, was when someone else walked in to my life. I am beginning to unravel this but always knew it was about me. Its a lifetime habit...how do I snap out of this? Or it is part of who I am and I just learn to live with it??? You are right though, I need that big old door slamming in my face. Thank you
I keep hearing mixed opinions about this…most people say the planet person is the one that’s obsessed and has deep feelings and the Pluto person is the one that doesn’t really care or feel the same and is just in it for power and control over the planet person
His mars conjunct my pluto and his pluto conjunct my moon and the orbit is less than 2 degrees in both aspects. The intensity takes my breath away. Not to mention his moon bang on to my ascendant.
Thank you so much, I've been searching on the Internet for answers and your video was the first to any sense to me. I have a really heavy influence of Pluto in my birth chart , do you have any tips on how to manage my Pluto energy.
Thanks for a cool clip
Hi Jewel! At one of your previous videos you commented this: "The twin flame myth is always a plutonic obsession.
" In this video you talk about the differences. So how do we know? Is it a plutonic relationship between more mature and spiritually awakened people? How do we possibly know that "twin flames" do exist or it isnt just some romantic notion that gives us hope and justify that its worth continuing despite all the drama and pain?
cuz you should already know if you and your partner fit into the mature and spiritually awakened categories
you have an amazing channel very important video
Great video and informative information. I never knew that both scenarios could easily get confused. However I was wondering who feels the obsession the planet person, outer planet or the person who is plutonic? Is the energy intensified if the planet person has the planet in Scorpio?
Scorpio planets can intensify things, yes. Both people can both be attracted when pluto is involved. Usually the planet person is more aware of the attraction but does have the power involved in it. That belongs to the Pluto person.
+Jewel Mayberry thank you so much for replying back.. 😊
+Jewel Mayberry ah i wonder why i had strong spiritual connection to 2 scorpio guys
they could turn my world up side down.
im always the one felt the strong connection towards the Scorpio.. i told them i felt intense connected to them but they don't feel the same way
such a drainer
thank u oh wow now i can stop waiting and expecting.
i m tired of look a like twin flame connection
could cause of heart issue.. time to forget
thank you so much..
What does a planet person means?
@@iloveyoutothemoonandbackperson with inner personal planets (sun moon Venus mars) instead of outer more generational ones (neptune ex.)
Thank you so much for this super interesting video!
Crisp and Clear message 👍🏼
Yo you're super smart! Thanks for doing this
Funny because my ASC is conjunct her Pluto and she is the runner 😂😂 would you be able to share a few details on this aspect? Thank you.
Hi, this is the first time I see one of your videos.
I am looking for info about Pluto because I have pluto in square with my Venus. I meet someone 11 years ago, I broke with him but we find again in February this year.
I get a synastry and I noticed that his Pluto is in conjunction with my moon and in square with my Venus. Also my Pluto is in square with his Venus.
He lives in another country and is planing a trip to see me. Being honest I am scared now.
Any advice please 😢
Pluto square sun going both ways and a pluto square moon. Just getting out after a year long break up. God damn, I need air
Same here and placements.. Dear, were you the pluto aspecting his personal planets or His pluto to yours..??..
My pluto conjuncts his sun venus pluto and saturn. My pluto is sextile his neptune. His pluto is sextile my neptune. His pluto conjuncts my pluto. I dont feel crazy possessive over him though. Its actually the first situationship that I feel it feels normal. Hes consistent. We express ourselves easily. We have libra in pluto.
I agree with this but I will add that I had our “Cosmic Love” chart run (Jan Spiller) and we had SO much karma going on! There is no universe that could contain the intensity of that relationship. He was HEAVY Scorpio. I do question whether it was me or the idea of me? Our Synastry overlay has my Cap Venus in his 8th house. Who the hell knows... but he drained me and lifted me... but mostly depleted me on such levels that the relationship really was hell.
Is this twin flame season or is there a planetary combination that summons twin flames? I've seen much more over the subject recently.
It is a subject that comes and goes but never really leaves. There has been a lot more talk of this in just the last couple years. I think it's just becoming a popular topic, not happening more.
+Jewel Mayberry Ah I see. So it does exist and has been seen over time. That's a pretty interesting subject I must say.
This comment is way after your video date but could I relate. I met an online man and he came on really fast and strong. I was trying to slow it down but had to admit i liked the chase. When i looked up our aspects i saw pluto square moon to the degree, pluto square venus and mars. I am Pluto nian as I have pluto seventh house and a stellium in my eighth. I got sucked in real fast and started obsessing really quickly and then he disappears. I really suffered. It is hard for me a pluto person to be in a normal relationship as I thrive on intensity. Probably better to be alone.
I'm sorry you've been tru all these.. 😔 Sending you love and healing🙏Were you the pluto aspecting his personal planets or his pluto on ur personal planets..??..
Relax guys .. the Plutonian aspect is only a fraction of the entire union .. initially starts off as very intense and obsessive so that we purge our baggage and transform. Once we have healed to a certain extent then you can use it to your advantage. You don’t need to have Pluto aspects to be told to back off from a relationship if you are acting obsessive. It’s all about transformation.
Some people don’t transform. Transformation is the potential but it’s not a guarantee. Often, change does not happen soon enough to save the relationship. The changes are something we carry with us, we are transformed often by letting the relationship go entirely.
Truth In Aspect Astrology/ Jewel its cos they’re not destined to transform in this lifetime.
I understand that a Plutonic relationship and a relationship between Twin Flames is something separate entirely,, but you did indicate in other videos, that with certain Pluto aspects, etc, it usually goes both ways. So, if that's true, the un-Pluto person is merely overwhelmed? Just thought I would ask for clarification! I'm a crazy Pluto person, that's why I'm here!
& thank you for making this video. Somebody needed to give me this message.
It is possible to have your own Pluto or planet connect to another in such a way that they are not turned on to the same degree as you or even not at all. You have to look at everything. There could be a Mars conjunct or in hard aspect to Saturn going on or incompatible moons. Usually, it is the planet person who hooks into another's Pluto if the feelings are not reciprocated. When our own Pluto decides it wants someone, it rarely takes no for an answer right away, if at all. So, a planet person can become very enthralled with the Pluto in us and our Pluto can say no, which is the common thing. The Pluto person always has the power between the planet and Pluto.
Jewel Mayberry I see. Thank you for the perspective!
She's the Astro bomb ❤
😂😂😂 so true. When people talk about twinflames I crack up on the inside. These are average people that know nothing about spirituality too
I hear that.
could you maybe do a video on aspects that seem to connect two twin flames? like is there certain planetary conjunctions or is it having to do with the north node etc :)
There are no contacts that specifically indicate a twin flame connection. Hard Pluto contacts are what is involved in both scenarios, both T.F and obsessional Pluto. It's all in what the pair does with it, how it plays out. People who are going to continue to indulge their dark side of Pluto are not going to be given the chance to unite with a twin flame.
+Jewel Mayberry I find nice connection of the trine and sextile are more prone for Twin connections, backs the intensity if it is there, but it lacks the manipulation tendencies that you'd find in hardcore conjunction or opposition aspect to pluto, especially co-dpendancy. I also think that a venus conjunct jupiter aspect is usually found with these connections as well, because it creates a very loving vibe with friendship aspect at play.
Our Plutos (in Leo)conjunct in my 8th house. His Mars in my 5th house (in Taurus) squares both our Plutos. Love/hate, obsessive. Sexual.
Pluto is GENERATIONAL no one can get away from Pluto
There are no manipulation between me and my twin, there wont be, we are brutally honest, but I dont know about codependency. I never been with him yet. And we never spent a long period of time straight together .. I sure wanted to spent time with him at a moment in our life where he did not want to and made that clear after a few visits. Of course I did not push, it was enough for him and me since I dont want to be unappealing to anyone especially someone I care about. I am like him, if someone is too much after me when I am not interested, I dont like it at all. Of course I would not think he is my twin if we is not ever interested in me. He is then he run. He cares a lot then has to go away. It is clear to both of us why he run. We have a great communication (caring, clear, diplomatic, wise, insightful, intuitive etc) when we do communicate.
I have my Pluto in his south node for the last guy i dated. we had a strong energetic/psychic connection and chemistry, but its a mild one compared to my other connection with moon, Saturn, and mercury conjunct south node. no obsession for the Pluto conjunction guy. i don't feel he's the one for me or that he thinks im the one for him, but definitely an ongoing energetic thread. we met online 17 years ago, but only in person this last year. on the soulmate scale id rate him only 5/10 intense.
Can you do a video on chiron in synastry or the karma asteroid? Thank you
So... What if there is heavy growth in one individual (and I do mean HEAVY - completely life changing, very hard, done as a result of this relationship and done entirely without any other external influences), but little to no growth in the other individual? A bit weird, don't you think, Jewel?
That's actually really typical with heavy Pluto that isn't returned through the feelings of another.the person who has the intensity of feelings does the growing while the other is relatively unaffected and usually creeped out.
Even if the person doing the growing is not at all obsessed with the other person, just inspired by them?
What if both people feel these powerful feelings and they actually end up together and it works because they actually are compatible long term?
+urthebest1122 That’s a normal relationship that you are describing. People do that all the time and don’t have to be twin flames to make it happen. Most people have powerful feelings for each other when they are in love but you have to beware of the constant struggle that gets confused with destiny or fate with the twin flame myth. If it’s a struggle to get the other person to turn towards you then there is a problem and it’s not twin flame stuff that’s causing it.
Yes, well put and I agree. Just subscribed, your videos are great, make alot of sense.
How do you tell the difference, when the Pluto goes both ways and everything appears extremely twinflame like?
why is it so difficult to be pluto dominant? :(
Ikr :(
Personnal planet in contact with pluto it's worse (especially Venus or Moon person). Because Pluto has mostly, the upper-hand. But we can suffer if we are the pluto person too
bloodbuddy7 TRUE
how so?
@@Cliona25 yea agree I have Scorpio moon. Any advices ? I’m fairly developed but I can’t flip the fucking switch . I can think and discern but I can’t control the emotional makeups/drives at will
People who can not entertain te Pluto qualities, should invest in someone else (more superficial energy). Loving deeply is something our society has lost touch on.
Soul mates are trouble, but good.
I never really cared for love before, but I did meet someone that made me want love whole heartedly from that person at least but I've evolved a lot since then, yet they're still on my mind and thinking about that person tends to ground me and want more for myself, it's a person I consider very precious and try as I might they still keep occupying my heart, maybe I just need to be told off for good, it wouldn't be the first time though but this time I think I can lose hope in everything
Love no and I did lose hope in everything but I still can’t stop my loving nature and now there’s someone new and a whole lot more interested. It’s hard to let go but you need to love yourself enough to do it and know there may be someone better we haven’t met
Now I’m confused lol. So I met him at a party neither of us was going to go to and instantly there was an attraction, I never felt so free with someone in my life and now I realize he sowed the seeds for me to grow and self actualize, and I’m just now understanding (4 years later) He then moved away and it hurt but I also just want to see him happy even if it’s not with me, then I had my spiritual awakening and I have Pisces on my 5th house, with Neptune in the 4th so now I’m questioning if it was as magical as I thought (I am a Cancer sun, he’s an Aries, I have an Aries descendant with the part of fortune there too), my inner knowing now feels conflicted because i see both the Pluto playing & it feels so real but now it’s like I don’t know what to trust lol
I have 9 pluto aspects with someone from the past, we're not in contact and I'd like to keep it that way.
Both suns and jupiter in 8ths house synastry. His moon conjuncts my ascendent....and 5 more plutonics conections in synastry in which 3 are mine being the pluto counterpart
Sometimes i wish a guy would be obsessed with me, until now i was always the obsessed one....I have Sun/Mars/Mercury in 8th house, Pluto square Ascendant, Venus sextile Pluto
I'm currently caught in a pluto relationship. Pluto trine moon, mercury opp pluto, mars opp pluto, pluto square venus. At first, it was intense and passionate and deep. Now it's... too intense. Too much. Too obsessive and needy and I am having such a hard time letting go...
Gonza Brush after some painful separation anxiety and healing, we’re both happy living life (not together)
@@sheri8838 I'm sorry for your suffering.. 😔 sending you light n love🙏🌹. Were you the pluto person aspecting his planets or his pluto to ur personal planets..??..
LOL! i love it~
what happens when there is quiet harmonously aspected pluto in composite, but in synastry it is mainly unaspected?
or vice verse, if there are contacts in synastry, but not in composite?
what is more indicative/important?
+luci9ela4 The composite chart is the last word on compatibility. The synastry shows the feelings but the composite chart shows what both people ultimately add up to. If Pluto is unaspected in synastry but heavy in the composite then that's just how it is....it's a Pluto heavy composite.
How do you see that in the charts? How to define in synastry who’s the chaser and who is the “victim”? Who is attracting and who get attracted to?
What if my chart has Pluto in the 3rd house which is ruled by Gemini which is his sun sign and he has Pluto in the 9th house which is ruled by Sagittarius which is my sun sign? Also, my fortune asteroid is in gemini and his is in Sagittarius. My Jupiter is in Taurus But I can see it's fairly close to the cusp of Gemini and his sun sign is on the cusp and sometimes he says he identifies more with Taurus. Our Venus signs both lie in the fourth house of family. There is a lot of opposition in our charts but it is almost undeniably a mirror image in so many ways
I have a question. What happens when my sappho is in a close conjunction with another persons pluto?
(Im the feminine, hes the masculine in the synastry)
If i have a Venus/Jupiter in Pisces in my 8th and I have a few guy friends with their Pluto in scorpio..what does that mean if anything?? I was hoping you would say a few aspects .
I already did the door slam a lot of times but he's still... *sigh*
Black moon Lilith exact conjunct (0,18 degrees) with my ex´s Moon and her BML even closer, 0,06, conjunct to my Moon... Plus a close Moon/Saturn conjunction. Any comments on that? Some way we managed to get out alive...
Oh dear I hear that. I have a similar issue: Pluto connections and 2 strongly platonic personalities, my lilith on his moon, my Saturn square his Venus, his Ketu on my Saturn. And that's just a few aspects.
I still don't know how to manage it, I've heard that lilith is even worse than Pluto.
What happens if you're the pluto person triggering all the pluto aspects of the other person ? Does that mean that the obsession goes both ways ?
His Pluto conjunct my ascendant....it is possible to survive? I can't anymore 🥺😭
Que paso? Está todo bien ahora?
Well then you just described my TF relationship that’s so “rare”. It’s not that rare. It happens 🙄 it wasn’t unrequited at all & very mutual.
Be careful.
Que significa TF?
SO WELL SAID :D
But what is she talking about placement wise? I am interested to know like does she mean Pluto conjunction or what? Xx
Interesting? I did a synastry and a composite with this one person I really had feelings for. In synastry we have psyche Eros conjunct but in Davison’s composite, we have Eros and psyche quintile? In synastry, we have sun/Pluto conjunction (me being Pluto), his Pluto quintile my Venus, his mars is novile my Pluto. In composite, we have a sextile Pluto Neptune, Pluto sextile venus, Pluto conjunct Uranus.. I’m just fascinated how a composite chart is completely different than what a synastry chart says??
ok so I have a question so when you have the pluto contacts with somebody is lets say venus puto is it the venus person who is obsessed or the pluto person and are they hard or soft aspects between the two
+Sarah Koob I think it's mostly the other planet 's person who is obssesed, generaly, the pluto person have the upper hand on the relationship.
ok but they way she was talking she said the pluto person so I thought it was the pluto person
+Sarah Koob but isent the obsession thing only in hard aspects
Not always. You can have minor aspects that add up to obsession on the composite chart when you put two people into a relationship. I have my own Venus sextile my best man friends Pluto and his Venus is sextile my Pluto- both easy aspects but the composite chart has us with Venus conjunct Pluto. That is a hard aspect. That is what we add up to.
ok then my question is if its a composite aspect how does that work who is the one that becomes obsessed if its a composite aspect iis it mutual how would that work its a composite so would the obsession go bolth ways since its a composite who get assigned each role sorry for all the questions I have virgo in my chart I analyze everything
How does Pluto show up in our birth chart so we know ? Squared, conjunct, opp?
I am mars in the mars pluto aspect but why do I have the role of the pluto and feel like the pluto
Honestly so sick of having that man in my mind. If there's a cure, please i would love it.
question! If my sun is opposite their Pluto and their Mars opposite my Pluto who has the power? Does it mean we are both obsessed?
I've been stalking TF out of her.. LOL
8:00 good to remembering
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what about pluto trine venus between 2charts ??!?!!
Pluto in ♌ rising.
Venus in ♊ moon sign
Mars in Taurus Sun Sign.
Mercury and Jupiter in Aries.
Mercury sextile Venus.
What if your Venus is in the 8th house or in Scorpio, for a man, or Jupiter is in the 8th or in Scorpio for a woman. Should one not expect the love of their life to exhibit Pluto tendencies?
Venus opposite Pluto in a synastry would make it obsession based? But what if there are 7 opposition aspects (mostly Pluto) It's very intense and please help
Joseph Kover thank you for sharing your experience. I'm all in for some crazy reason lol
What about pluto conjunct pluto?
That is a generational aspect that is not significant in itself. Your Pluto will conjunct to everyone's Pluto who was born within two years of you.
What if Pluto conjunct His Pluto , Sun, Mer, Mars? He was intense then left me hanging. No stalking. Infact, I distanced myself because I literally fell in love in such a short time. We have Saturn Venus synastry and Rahu Ketu synastry too.
Interesting? I’ve read the planet person is the one who becomes obsessed whereas the Pluto person is unaware of their impact?
Pretty sure it goes both ways !
I laughed so much lol 😂 I’m 60 now much better now 🤣🤣
Please tell me if venus is retrograde conjunct Pluto what then? 😊
I do not believe in twin flames theory. But TF and soulmates are so different thing. Soulmates can be karmic relationahips. Very hard and very painful. But TF is not. They are the mirrors of each other. Very telepatic. Very alike and one. They can be a soul ftagmented into 2 souls so they feel alike, same maturity and face similar experiences.
What you are saying here is soulmates, not twinflames.
We have sun - Pluto and sun - Neptune DW’s just to name a couple of them ... what if it’s mutual?
What if my Pluto conjunct my partners pluto? Here is a bit of our chart together.
Pluto Conjunct Pluto
Moon conjunct pluto
Pluto square Moon (tight orb)
0.43 orb
Venus square Pluto (tight orb) 0.52 orb
Pluto sextile Neptune
Saturn sextile Pluto
This is all the pluto in our synastry chart. we just started talking what does this mean?
What are the indicators of a plutonic themed relationship?
I agree on the twinflame...
my guy Pluto
I just met someone with both our moons in both our 8th house, Venus in the 7th and Neptune in the 7th and I’m terrified to talk to them.
and what is the people have venus pluto aspects going bolth ways
I’m so confused. So Both are horrible and I don’t understand the difference?
There is no difference.