Running the Sickle Bar mower for the first time. Will it cut Hay? New Holland 451
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- I just got done fixing our New Holland 451 sickle bar mower that we bought at auction. Today we are finally going to test the mower and see if it cuts hay. I have never used a sickle bar mower before, so this will be a learning experience for me as well. The grass is getting tall, so hopefully this will be a good place to test the mower.
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Man you got the cream of the crop for your first mower, I started out with a 6'pitmonrod mower. When you go to the field you carry 3 pitmonrods with you and hope that would be enough to cut a 20 acre field. I can still remember my dad getting that new high speed belt drive mower ,$1800.00. No more wooden pitmonrods for us to replace plus you could do 20 acres in 5 hours instead of days. Then Santa came early 2 years later and brought us the new Holland 273 Hayliner . Believe the year was 1972. And believe it or not we still have and use that equipment ever year since then . Put up 3200 bales this summer, year 2020. Would love to have a disc mower and round baler .but the stuff we have works fine .my dad at 85 is teaching his great grandson ro use his old equipment.
Those are some good old tools. Have to be careful and not get your fingers in the wrong place. Keep up the good work and stay safe. - Tom “Outdoors and Country Living”.
I love watching old equipment still working. I wish we were back in the draft horse days.
John M theres a YT video series called Working Horses with Jim you might like, also Rural Heritage has a bunch of vids on horse drawn equipment
Yeah right, when you're behind them for 16hr a day only getting 30acre done in a few days(maybe) you'll wish you had a tractor , I do like horses for light logging, they seem to do well in that
@@cathiwim thanks for the advice. I'll check him out.
@@johndowe7003 I would absolutely love working horses. I'm 47 and on hospice care for heart disease. So I guess I'm stuck using a tractor if I do anything about it, but in my heart I can try to do anything and it would be with a draft horse. Just trying to Bring life back to the basics.
Your getting better, there is always stuff to learn.
I found running the RPM high and being in a lower gear, running fast enough that the grass would bend over the sickle bar and fall off the back always worked best for me. But like everything else it's just one person's opinion. Great Video and thank you.
I personally cut hay for 20 years with the same cutter, my dad has 40 years using 1 for hay production. Absolutely love it
Ran one of those sickle mowers for years. Process is every 50 or 100 ft stop, lift bar, reverse, to get a drag of grass out stuck on the far end. Oh, and losing a section and having to replace a blade and rivet it back. It's really fun whenever one runs over a bumblebee nest. Rivets are used so if you hit something hard it'll shear the rivets on whatever blade(s). Bolts are too hard and might ruin your entire bar-and could possibly transfer that to the wobble box and then you'll have BIG problems. You can buy section rivets at any farm supply store. Dad welded a special riveting template out of an old pulley with a bolt that had a cupped end-perfect for holding the rivet while you flatten the bottom with a hammer.
Once when I was 12 Dad told me to 'get as close to the treeline as you can'. I ended up getting caught on a sapling that snapped the ears off the hydraulic lift cylinder and didn't even finish one round. Dad wasn't happy when I came back is all I can say. We ended up transplanting another cylinder from our planter but Dad said 'okay, don't get so close to the treeline' after he personally opened up everything for me. I was chagrined to say the least.
My grandpa had the same New Holland sickle bar mower brings back fond memories. He ran it on a Massey Ferguson 135 tractor with a crimper behind it.
I think it did a great job! Fun to watch from an arial view.😊
FUN! Made me homesick for my Dad's old farm!!!
Well done, it reminds me a lot of when I was a child on the farm. My dad had similar equipment
One of the best mowing machine's I've ever used. You'll figure it out. Good job.. God speed
Your videos are very interesting. If I stopped to visit here and saw that you were demonstrating some new pieces of equipment I would have scooted on by. The fact that you are learning using equipment decades old pays honor to farmers who learned to be productive using this equipment as it was back then. Keep up the good work. Thanks for your very interesting posts.
Hi Evan
We cut about 6000 large round bales worth a year with these NH 451 mowers, and on rough Stoney land… my tips for you are.1.leave those feet stands at home in the shed,so they will always be in good shape when you need them.
2. Throw those gaurds away, and replace them with 221 gaurds.
3. And as a previous commenter said , there are adjustable knife hold down clips that will keep your knife closer to the guard,so it will cut better, and stay sharper longer.
Keeping a mower cutting well is somewhat of an art, and I can see you have a good eye for troubleshooting.
Enjoy your videos
The hand clutch is allis Chalmers way of a live pto .you are using it correctly. You are doing great.
Thanks Evan for making this interesting. I really admire how you show all the steps to your problem solving skills. I'm a city kid but now sickle bar mower is in my vocabulary! Thanks again for your wholesome videos!
I think that you did great getting the mower up and cutting well. I learned on a sickle bar mower too. Back in 1992. And I still have all my fingers.
You need to adjust cutter bar. The outside end should be farther forward then head end. They call it cutter bar lead. They also make special hold downs for bolt on sickle sections. The A frame should adjusted so frame is 17 inches off the ground. The hand clutch is your live pto on AC tractors. You’ll get used to it as you mow more. Grass is hardest to cut verses alfalfa or clover.
Job well done Evan!♡Injoyed watching! Alot of memories there for me! Thanks Evan for sharing! God bless!♡♡♡
Looks like he has it tilted back to far. Also, no need to grind off the rivet heads, put the edge of your bar on your vice with the blade pointing down and hit the top of the blade, the rivets will snap off.
Can these 451 mowers be run without that yoke thing? Also, is the lift spring what I tighten to get the outer shoe to lift before the rest of the bar?
@@nickcpa6113 if he takes notice of what you are telling him he get the job sorted
I mowed a many of acres with a Wd45 and a number 5 John Deere sickle mower. Talk about a pain to hook something up now that was a job. On that old mower we could change ledger plates don't know about the one in the video if you could.
Lots of memories using these mowers. First was a converted horse drawn ground drive type which cut our dogs leg off when he jumped over it while it was being lifted. He could still run just as fast on 3 legs. Then we bought a new Massey Ferguson mower. Cut hay for years with that one. Have to keep sharp blades and ledger plates in them. Keep the revs up. Not many folks use them anymore. They’re noisy with that pitman arm going back and forth.
Somehow I managed to watch these 3 videos in reverse!! This old equipment, with a little TLC, just keeps going and going!!
Good job showing telling,and making it cut better well keep up the good work and keep on doing that hay.well see on the next video have a good one see ya next time see ya bye.
So cool lol. Nice Job fixing it up.
I really love to see this classic farming equiptment
in action!
Thank you very much for the video!😊👍🏻
I ran one of those for years. the cutter bar and the teeth act together as a pair of scissors to make a clean cut. just like a pair of scissors, if they are too lose, things get caught in between the two pieces and doesn't cut. I never had any luck turning either. it drags the bar and tends to clog up things. grass too isn't as sturdy so doesn't cut near as well as stemmed forage like your hay field. it was great seeing this in action and all the maintenance you did. can't believe you mentioned the wabble box. I remember greasing that. I thought there was one of the grease fittings that was easier to reach on it when the cutter bar was folded up.
It goes to show that mechanical savvy goes a long way. You definitely have that. Enjoy your videos Evan. Thanks
You’re getting use to it and will have it down before long. Thanks for sharing with us Evan. Looking good around there. Fred
I still have my ford 501 sickle bar mower for ditches and just having a backup
Yay! Glad to see it working! You and Rebekah are great examples of how anything can be accomplished, if you are willing to take the time to learn. Can't wait for the next video!
When I was growing up that is the only kind of hay mower there was. They cut good but take a lot of maintenance and sharpening. Changing out the sections and wear plates is an all day job. But I loved seeing you cut hay with that thing.
Crazy satisfying
Great job. This is all we had in the 1950’s. Beautiful job. 👍👍
Well done the first time. This type of mowing on flat terrain reminds me of my childhood and for steep terrain, a motor-driven bar mower was operated by hand, which was really hard work. The old times, not even easy to work there💫☘️🥬
I bought one several years ago and was so frustrated I bought a disk mower. I've wanted to get it out and repair it and learn how to use it. This helped.
We used to run a sickle bar and it wasn't cutting good. I thought it was just worn out (about 50 yrs old). My dad looked at it and said he knew what was wrong. He had me run the bar while I was on the tractor running the cutter. He stood behind the bar and looking down could see the phasing (for lack of a better term) was wrong. He adjusted it by loosening some nuts so the blade would move front/back and then got on the end of the blade and moved it forward and back until the blade changed direction when it was fully covered by the guard. He tightened it down and it cut like a champ. You can easily see if it is correct by looking directly down at the blade while running. You can't do this from the seat. If the blade changes direction outside the guard it needs adjustment. Just be sure to be on the back side of the blade when inspecting! And as noted above, make $amn sure your fingers aren't inside the guard when you lift the blade. If the blade is in the extended position, it will fall back due to gravity and cut off anything in its path. A finger will be neatly sliced off.
Your best bet is to purchase owners manuals for every piece of equipment you purchase. Then set down and read them from cover to cover so you get a good knolege of equipment operation and adjustments. You will be glad you did.
Wonder how many people will say, "you did it wrong"? Not me, cause I don't know "JACK" about it. Good job Evan. Keep on keepin on!!!!
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Enjoy watching your video
That's just awesome
Thanks for posting these hay vids I bought some pasture thinking of growing hay on it it was used for that before
Great tractor. My first tractor was a 1949 All Is Chalmers WD not a WD45. Still have it and at one time I had a sickle bar cutter. Great tool in their place but dangerous.
That was a pretty cool piece of vintage equipment!
Evan, I saw a video yesterday of a sickle bar mower and the gentleman said to stop clogging he adjusted the shoes to run the leading edge a little higher on the front and lower on the back and the grass fell off better. a higher RPM in a lower gear was another tip I saw.
Yea, I think was driving to slow. I think the grass will fall behind the cutter better if I drive faster.
My dad loved mowing pond banks, branch banks and fence rows with our old sickle bar and the older Case tractor. Nice video.
It's a long shot, but I'll still try. :) I have a 450 model, very similar to your 451. Do you recall, or even happen to have any photos of, the cutter bar bolt? This is the bolt that mounts through the knife head bushing and connects the knife assembly to the wobble arm. Mine didn't come with one and I cannot find one listed. Is yours just a 1/2" bolt? *fingers crossed!* :)
Sorry not sure what size the bolt is.
great video. my sickle bar is mutch smaller than yours(and my ford 1210 tractor also) but you got the same problems as i have with the mower. so i sharpend the knifes and greased everything and now it mowe perfect
Good job cutting there Evan. Not easy to get the hang of cutting around the corners. You did great
I cut lots of hay with a Ford 501 mower mounted on a Case VAC narrow front, no live power. I found that new rock guards that were pounded up to barely clear the sections gave a perfect cutting machine. When it took some effort to pull the sickle out, everything was right and a real loose sickle meant trouble. And those guards need to be close all the way down the bar. Seems that the outside end and inside end were the ones that wore quickest.
You got the sickle bar working good, so on to the next project.
Good job Evan a real learning on the job!!!!!!!
That was an awesome video
Thanks for sharing
Family had sickel mower always have bars on hand sharp and every couple hrs depending on field change blade each haying day start sharping bar blade always carry replacement guards rocks very hard on guards
Awesome that you can still use that equipment today. Good job👍❣️
Pretty dang cool.
Hey, great job!!!!! Appreciate your sharing your info with the rest of us!!! Keep up the great work!!!!
Hi that is what the hand clutch is for front HI range back low range middle stop with PTO running, push clutch peddle in everything stops tractor movement and PTO all stop.
Great video and plenty of advice in the comments too. Just bought a New Holland 448 that looks in pretty good condition so next job is to give it once over and a sharpen. Only have 5 acres so finger cutter ideal, might even get the kids in to rake it up and make a hayrick or two!
Great job bro!! I enjoyed this two videos a lot.
Thanks for sharing with us.
The sides of the rock guards can wear also making a round edge where the sickle sections slide back and forth. That will cause it to plug with grass also. I never oiled the cutter bar. Dampness will cause it to plug also. Need the dew dried off when using a sickle mower. You'l be wanting a manual.
Those are the only mowers we had on our farm when I was growing up, very reliable mowers.
Looks good Evan, time for hay.
Looks to me like you need to give it some more throttle. Mower speed needs to be higher. I cut and raked hay for years with my dad's old D17 but we generally ran a on Allis Chalmers hay conditioner with it. If we used the old Massey Ferguson sicklebar, it was on our smaller Ford 3000. My brother and I still have the 3000, but Dad traded the D17 in on a Ford 5600 long ago. Watching that video brought back memories! Thanks,Marion
Great job. That was fun watching that grass get cut!
To replace the teeth on the sickle bar, place the bar on a solid object. The back of the teeth will stick out about a quarter of an inch from the steel bar. Striking the back of the tooth with a hammer will shear the rivets holding the tooth on. Riveting a new tooth on is fairly straight forward and easy to do. As a teenager I cut many acres of hay with a short sickle bar mower attach to a Farmall Cub. Properly setup they cut very well.
Good video, thanks for sharing.
Nice I have one just like it the faster you go the better it works I can mow anything with mine down in a creek or straight up on Bank
I believe the manual recommends a speed of at least 4.5 mph. It seems to kept the bar cleaned off better the faster you go. Also need to run at 540. Thanks for the video.
Very nice as usual. I have been getting used to using my older tractor (1979 Ford 3600) and it's been quite a learning curve. When I push the clutch in the tractor doesn't stop like you think it will. The spinning of say a rotary cutter (bush/brush hog) will still propel the tractor forward until it spins down. It could be a very dangerous situation if you're not used to it. My learning curve was much larger compared to learning to use a "modern" (2018) John Deere tractor.
I remember using the sickle cutters in our alfalfa fields as a kid. My ignorant self thought that "that's the way they still do it".
I mow ditches and banks with mine. Belt drive is the key like yours! Sharp blades are best. I took my swath board off.
I’d be glad to buy your mower when you decide to up grade
Nice job for your first ever attempt to use the equipment!
Great job on the mower. I think it mowed really good. Can't wait to see the hay rake.
Our minhindra 4500 is really nice
For bushhoging because it has a two stage clutch, the first stage stops the tractor the 2nd stops the mower or whatever emolument u have on
noticed a lot of moisture on right front tire & on bar tread of rear tires. that normally suggests the morning dew has not dried & this causes plugging between cutter bar sections. I have 2 7' pull type New Idea sycle bar mowers , can only use rivets to hold section plates to cutter bar. Hope this helps you.
I'm happy things are working out good. As always, I enjoy your channel so much that this video felt like 3 minutes 😂😂😂 I know it's a lot of work but we need a few 20-30 minute videos ❤️❤️❤️
Nice sickle bar, it handles the hay just fine. With the 7 FT. bar that s an afternoons cutting in the hay field I saw. Next step wind rows with the rake. I hope the New Holland baler works OK, if there s a problem it ll be with the knotter.
That is all we used when I was growing up. My Dad did commercial hay baling for other farmers. We cut, raked, baled, and stacked in the barn or wherever he wanted.
I mowed a lot of hay with a sickle bar mower and a tractor with OUT live PTO. It takes some practice and it is a true art to mow with it! But it can be done.
My grandfather had a wind row attachment for sickle mower .it was the only one I ever saw.
We had a windrower attachment for swatting oats. Orginally designed for a narrow front tractor it was revamped for a wide front tractor. Used an Allis Chalmers mower on a CA. Also had to rebuild the rear castor wheel to accommodate the swather attachment. Worked well for years.
Used my Massey 7 foot sickle bar in the bay field for the first time today. What a disaster. Lol thought I had it adjusted out pretty good at the barn. Nope, had to borrow the neighbored 474 haybine
Nice work, E. You got it going and the sickle bar seemed to run pretty well after the new blade-teeth. Every piece of equipment does have learning curves. I run into that with every implement I have and I'm far from proficient but I enjoy the process. Have a fine week.
My grandad always used old used motor oil to lube his plow tools and sickle bar.
great video, really interesting. I used one forty five years ago, found a hare in the long grass and that nearly wasn't pretty, but he got away thankfully!
Must be a lot of people in You Tube Land that enjoy watching Newbies learn the things a lot of us learned 60 years ago....
Well done,awesome
Love the way you have brought this mower back to full working use, a few things to adjust / fine tune but well done indeed. These are the items I used to see at the back of machine barns that had been replaced by bigger machines. Great to see it working.
I remember using these mowers many years ago. They are much trickier to setup than the brush hog is but they cut nice and make for better hay bales since the grass is longer and not chopped up as much. You also have to be careful where you are mowing because if you hit something with the mower it can easily knock it out of adjustment or even break a tooth off.
Way to go...excellent!
take,some used oil and diesel or gas mix pour on the sickle to help shine it up so hay flows off better. After a couple,rounds it will work fine.
I still use a sickle that was made for a Farmall Super A. I use it with my JD 5055e. Take time, be careful and keep it sharp and it will cut like a razor!!!
We use to cut hay that way when I was a kid 🙂🙃❤️🤗💜
Doing a good job on such young grass they like older more mature stuff as a rule.
You need a wooden board at the outside end of the bar. This lays the cut grass away from the standing grass that will be cut on the next run and reduces the chance of jams at the head end.
Never seen a new holland 451 that had a wooden swathboard. All I have seen or owned had 3 metal rods and they worked fine. His has an aftermarket but still the same concept.
To be able to get live pto just put the hi low leaver in the middle or neutral and it will keep your PTO going
don't see that chunk of rail/anvil? That a couple punches (center & drift ) and a Ball-Pien hammer used to ride in the tractor box along with extra sections (blades)! how we mowed/swathed and confined back in the day!
used motor oil is great for lubing cutter bar
take a half and half mixture of oil used oil is fine and diesel fuel makes a oerfect lube for cutter bar and chains on other equipment
Considering how much time and effort you have put into these machines, I sincerely hope they do the job well and last for many more years. But with your skills and will to fix them, it should be alright!
Good luck with the other machines!
Thank you for the demo. I have learned quite a bit from watching your vlogs.
I always found that a little speed helped to lay the grass down over the bar