Judy Holiday was such a cutie!! So sad she wasn't with us longer. "Born Yesterday" is one of my favorite movies. She was so sweet, and a fine comedienne.
Judy Holliday was such a rarity in so many ways. So bright, so talented and so very down to earth. Loved her in "It Should Happen to You", and, of course," Born Yesterday". Comedic genius!
Such a pleasure to view these WML shows. One of my fondest childhood memories was being in the CBS Theater audience with my parents on a Sunday night (the night before, we'd seen Jackie Gleason with the June Taylor Dancers!). John Daly was moderating, and I remember Dorothy Kilgallen, Bennett Cerf, and the always classy Arlene Francis. I don't recall who the guest panelist was that night...but - of all things to remember - we were given little sample bottles of Stoppette deodorant!
Gosh, what a wonderful memory! Do you remember how they were when there was a commercial break? Did they talk together with each other? They seemed like they really enjoyed one another. 💕
I just saw Born Yesterday for the very first time yesterday and absolutely had to find out if that was her real voice. She is so amazing in the movie I was sure that was her real voice, guess now I see why she won the Oscar, on to the next one.
Another great Judy we lost too soon. My mother told me she saw Bells Are Ringing twice on Broadway. One time Carmen Miranda was seated nearby. Another legend we lost too soon.
Sweet Judy Holiday...........one of my very favorite actresses. Can one ever forget her performance in "Born Yesterday"? Gone too soon..................
I love her films, and the few radio shows I have with her in them, but my guess is she was at her absolute best in live performance, long before my time. She was a fascinating woman, brilliant-- literally a genius level IQ-- who simply radiated warmth from every pore. Kind of like Arlene in that respect. Everyone, simply everyone, loved her.
+Diego Julian About five decades too soon. She is one of my favorite 1950's stars, along with Susan Hayward. One of the only actresses who could make me want to laugh and cry...her performances were truly multidimensional. And she's adorable here, especially when she realizes Bennett Cerf has guessed her.
Judy Holliday was such a fascinating woman and unique talent. I'm surprised a film hasn't been made about her life, especially with what happened at the hearings.
Ed Harbur I would have loved that!. I agree Madeline Kahn would have been perfect...their talents were not dissimilar. In fact I've often thought there were similarities in facial features.
Madeline Kahn would have been AMAZING in that role. What a real shame that never transpired. She absolutely would have not only nailed the look, but definitely would have captured her spirit and charisma.
It may have been a generational thing. My mother--45 when I was born and she came along the same year as John Daly, 1914--used to have nightmares about losing her purse. She carried her life in it. Today, people have both sexes often have a similar reaction to losing their cell phones.
Rhonda Sewell They weren't called clutch bags for nothing! Often a fine accessory to an outfit. Carried lipstick, compact with mirror and powder, comb, handkerchief, keys....and maybe smelling salts.
Judging from the comments here and under other episodes, people get annoyed at Dorothy's measured approach to solving the puzzle. I really enjoy the way she sidles up to the answer. It can be really entertaining, and the audience seems to agree.
+maremacd agreed, dorothy seems to solve the majority of them, and i love her vocabulary. some think she's showboating but that's only on rare occasions, most of the time she's brilliant at it.
The only thing that's a bit annoying about Dorothy to me is how often she doesn't hear the answers. It happens to all of them on occasion but particularly to Dorothy.
"Born Yesterday" (1950) was and is still a great movie. Judy Holiday was the most beautiful, bright and charming actress of her day. She and Broderick Crawford played off each other so well. She got the Oscar and he should've gotten it also. Marry me Judy!
Michael Stern -- I'm still of the opinion the panelists were given clues as to the MGs' identities. Perhaps not their actual names, but close enough. Not unlike the "gambits" they pursued. There are no other explanations as to how people's identities/"lines" were guessed so rapidly.
Juanette Butts - There are other explanations for panelists quickly guessing the mystery guests. As has been mentioned elsewhere in this WML community, the panelists kept up with show business and celebrity news, and were aware of who was visiting New York and who was on Broadway or had a movie opening. There was a kind of “in crowd” knowledge and an in-depth understanding of show business (note Bennett’s asking Judy Holliday if she was ever in a play produced by Max Gordon) that we can barely appreciate watching these shows decades later. The panelists, especially Dorothy, will sometimes ask things like “did I see you at yesterday?”...or “were you in Rome last month?” These people tended to move in the same circles. Dorothy Killgallen was a journalist, Arlene was quite busy on stage and screen (with her actor/producer husband Martin Gabel), and Bennett had what has been called encyclopedic knowledge on many subjects. They’re not perfect of course, but this is a very sharp and knowledgeable panel of people who continue to amaze... and entertain us all to this day! 😊
Laura Collins : Thank you for your lovely reply! I'm sure you're right. The more I become addicted to this channel and the more programs I watch, the more impressed I am by the panelists. Please forgive my previous ignorance. 😊
Juanette Butts - It’s easy to forgive such a gracious person. Besides, we members of the WML Fan Club need to stick together! 👍🏼 You are so right about this show being addictive.
Mr Daly us wearing a light-coloured suit in this episode whereas normally he wears a dark one, probably a dinner jacket. The screen looks brighter as a result but perhaps the contrast between light and dark is not so strong. I noticed too that one of his tasks as moderator is to remove the mystery guest's name card or name board from the front of the desk before the 3rd contestant signs in. He looks effortless in his work but under the charm and the cheerfulness there must be a lot of stress. For me, he is the star no matter who the mystery guest turns out to be.
One would have thought the panelists would have made a connection to this mystery guest since the prior mystery guest mentioned he was in town making a movie with Judy Holiday.
Does any one remember her in Adam's Rib and The Bells Are Ringing? When she won her Academy Award it was Ethel Barrymore that accepted it on her behalf.
There are so many wonderful tributes to Judy Holliday, I can't choose which one to reply to. So I will add my admiration for her beautiful, charming and delightful presence on the show that was all too brief. On a personal note, an occasional client of mine is a member of the Dutch Treat Club that Bennett mentioned, the place where he had heard Miss Holliday use the same voice she thought would fool the panel. At the time this show aired, apparently the club was still attracting the creme de la creme of the NYC entertainment scene. As far as I can tell, they don't attract many A listers these days.
Lois Simmons Demographics issue--people are so much more spread out now but back in the day it was a smaller world and A list people (as well as half the country's millionaires) lived right in Manhattan. Also, people stopped joining clubs at the same rate in the 1960s. Also, the pace of life has speeded up--much less leisure time.
Surprised to learn, it's still there. I'm originally from NY, but this is a bit before my time. I used to hear about another popular NYC nite club called, Toot Shors. I wonder whatever happened with that. Jackie Gleason, Mickey Mantle, Billy Martin, et al, all used to drink and hang out there. Must've been a blast!
@@waynej2608 John Daly talked about Toots Shor's all the time -- one of his favorite hangouts, and Mr. Toots Shor himself appeared as a regular contestant (with a blindfolded panel) on the Feb. 11, 1962 episode of WML. Mr. Shor and John were clearly good buddies. Here's a link to the video of that episode: ruclips.net/video/0VK4jCnt3Nw/видео.html Toots Shor is the first contestant. :-)
Seeing Judy Holiday makes me so nostalgic. My mom liked her (who didnt?) I'm glad I was reared by parents in this generation. My generation came of age and sent so much good down the drain. That's when all the whining and entitlement started in earnest.
Surprised no one on the show mentioned It Should Happen to You, the new picture Holliday was filiming in NY (at least of it ), or even that her co-star Peter Lawford had just been the previous week's mystery guest.
Was watching Born Yesterday, yesterday as a matter of fact. She reminded me of the sweetness of Marilyn Monroe, and the savvy sensuous Mae West.😀 Marisa Tomei reminds me of Judy too 😏
The first of Judy's four appearances in WML. Her untimely death at age 43 was one of the worst disaster that happened in American entertainment at that time. She starred in some of the funniest movies in the 1950s -- I particularly like "Pffft" The pithy dialog that Selma Diamond wrote for her and host Tallulah Bankhead for the radio variety program, "The Big Show" were some comic highlights of that show. She defeated none other than Bette Davis and Gloria Swanson for her Best Actress Oscar of 1950.
+soulierinvestments I haven't seen "Pffft" yet. I think it's the only Judy Holiday film I haven't seen by this point. I think you know already how much I love "The Big Show"-- and Judy's spots are definitely highlights.
Judy Holliday was a lovely person. Sadly, breast cancer claimed her life at the young age of 43. Brilliant woman, too. She was reportedly a mathematical genius and had an I.Q. of 165, but what she loved to do for a living was nothing like mathematics or the sciences. She loved acting, singing and dancing and entertaining people, and she really could do all of those. Great singer, and she could do a whole bunch of accents and voices -- part of the fun of "Bells Are Ringing" is all the characters she'd portray when she answered people's telephones at the answering service switchboard. She was simply lovely and her death was really tragic in my view.
ToddSF 94109 There's only one biography of Judy as far as I'm aware, but it's quite excellent. I highly recommend it if you haven't read it yet! www.amazon.com/Judy-Holliday-Intimate-Life-Story/dp/0872237575/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1471231817&sr=1-1&keywords=%22judy+holliday
JUDY HOLLIDAY was delightful. Won her Best Actress Oscar in 1951 in a VERY competitive category against screen legends BETTE DAVIS and GLORIA SWANSON and she won for a rare comedic performance in BORN YESTERDAY. Sadly, her great success on film AND stage (she was also a TONY winner for her work on Broadway) was short-lived as was she. In 1965 she sadly passed away at only 45 from a long bout with breast cancer in her apartment in the notorious DAKOTA bldg. where JOHN LENNON was later murdered.
At 10:00, Steve and Dorothy looked at Mr. Ciaccio’s hands. After this show, the panelists only shook contestants’ hands during the walk until 25 Oct 1953.
I've often found IQ to be a flawed measure. The concept of measuring intelligence using a test you can train for, means you are testing the ability to practice rather than the ability to think. Also, the idea of recognising processing speed over complexity of thought is short sighted. Is the person who can resolve standard calculations in a short space of time more intelligent than the person who can solve a more complex problem over a longer period of time? In my view, both have value but IQ only recognises the former.
@Sal Bazaz I agree, and that really bothers me every time I watch this episode. Instead of just asking Steve if he wanted to ask any further questions, he should have asked Steve, "well, what is her purpose in working on people's scalps?" or something like that -- which seems like exactly the type of question he would normally ask. The only reason I can think of is that it was already more than 8 minutes into the program (and that's going by our YT video, which does not include commercials), so about 1/3 of the way through the program, and he thought they needed to end the segment. Still, it really wasn't fair to the contestant, who might have won more money if Steve, and perhaps other panelists, had gotten a "no" to their next questions. And they ended up spending another full minute chatting with and about Miss Chavin and her "line," so the time issue doesn't seem to justify it either.
When Dorothy asked the monkey keeper if the animals he worked with were in the simian family I fully expected him to say "I don't know the Simeon's that well."
It's funny that the first guest had that job, since this is the first clip of the show that I noticed that the host had a combover. I wonder if she gave him her business card?
I can't imagine why the last contestant was so averse to the notion of sauerkraut at a picnic. Sauerkraut is very frequently eaten on a hot dog in a bun and I can easily imagine people grilling hot dogs at a picnic and serving them on hot dog buns with various condiments including sauerkraut. In fact, I'm sure I've been at a picnic where hot dogs were served and since sauerkraut was available, I've put some on my hot dog. For me, a plain hot dog is rather boring, but add some sauerkraut and it is greatly improved. (Also great with knackwurst . . . . ) Also the contestant's immediate "no" when Steve Allen asked if the food is a composite of various items was puzzling. Sauerkraut is made from shredded cabbage, white vinegar and salt, so it is, without question, a composite product. It's not just plain shredded cabbage.
The traditional method doesn't use vinegar, but gets its sourness from lactic acid produced by bacteria during fermentation. Salt is the only other ingredient. Then again, if you do use white vinegar in your recipe, that may well be derived from grain, so Bennett's question would get a Yes in that case.
I make my own Sauer kraut and the only ingredient added to the cabbage is salt. I have never heard of anyone adding vinegar. The salt generates the liquid during the tamping and fermentation process. The cabbage is stored in crocks for approximately eight weeks before being stored in jars or ziploc bags.
The last contestant (the "dude" from Brooklyn) seemed to have a bit of an attitude, especially when it came to Mr. Allen's whimsical jest concerning the Brooklyn Dodgers. Then again, from personal experience dealing with sports fanatics, I found out that not too many of them have much of a sense of humor regarding their "home team".
+Jeffrey Slott It's been nearly 60 years since the Dodgers and Giants were playing their home games in NYC, so unless you are old enough, a big enough fan of baseball history, or have older relatives who lived through it first hand and told you the stories, there is no way to understand just how bitter the rivalry was between the Dodgers and Giants, and even more so between Dodger fans and Giants fans. People were actually killed sometimes when the arguments (usually in a bar) got out of hand. Mr. Brown, as most people from Brooklyn were, was very obviously a Dodgers fan. Although the Dodgers would go on to repeat as National League champions in 1953 with their best regular season record since the start of the 20th century (105-49, a winning percentage of .682), July 5, 1953 was a terrible day in the Dodgers season. They played a 4th of July double header against the Pirates at Ebbets Field the day before (a split) and then played a game against the Pirates in Pittsburgh on Monday (where they took out their frustrations on the hapless Pirates, as Steve remarked they were an unprofitable team at the time, 14-2). But in between, they were scheduled to play an oddity: a one game Sunday series against the Giants at the Polo Grounds. That day, the Dodgers suffered their worst defeat of the season, losing 20-6. You actually needed more of an adding machine than a slide rule for that one. Not only is the challenger miffed but someone (it sounds like Dorothy's voice) tells Steve to be quiet. For a brief moment, Steve became as unpopular as Hal Block had been four months earlier. The Dodgers actually took a 2-0 lead in the top of the first inning against their nemesis (and teammate in 1956-7) Sal Maglie when Wayne Belardi hit a two out, two run triple to center field, scoring Jim Gilliam and Duke Snider. Belardi was getting a rare start at first base as Gil Hodges was playing left field that day. And he eventually drove in four of the six Dodgers runs (one with a home run off Maglie in the seventh inning). And Willie Mays wasn't there to track down Belardi's triple that day (if anyone could have caught it). Mays was in the Army that year. Bobby Thomson (who had been the Giants center fielder in 1951 before Mays was brought up from the minor leagues) was in center field that day. That was the last the Dodgers saw of the lead. The Giants scored three in the bottom of the first and scored in every inning thereafter until they were finally retired three up, three down in the bottom of the eighth inning, their last at bat. Four errors by the Dodgers didn't help, especially when the Giants had five home runs among their sixteen hits. By the time the Dodgers came to bat in the top of the sixth inning (the next inning in which they scored), they were trailing 17-2. Giants third baseman Hank Thompson, the only person to be the first black player for two different major league teams (St. Louis Browns and the Giants), drove in seven of the twenty runs with a three run home run in the fourth inning off of Joe Black and a grand slam home run in the fifth inning off of Ralph Branca. It was a sour day for Dodger fans and definitely NOT the day to make fun of the Dodgers. The rule of thumb was very simple: when "dem Bums" (our affectionate nickname for our team - yes, I am a lifelong Dodger fan) were playing poorly, Dodger fans could complain to each other about how the team was playing or how a particular player was terrible. But if a Yankee fan or especially if a Giants fan should come along and make fun of our team, them's fighting words. It also went beyond baseball. It was a matter of civic pride. The Giants played in Manhattan. Manhattanites in the ritzier neighborhoods (of which there were many) looked upon themselves as the upper crust sophisticates (i.e. a world into which Hal Block didn't fit). They looked upon Brooklynites as bumpkins, great unwashed and generally beneath them. Brooklyn residents resented being treated that way. To them Brooklyn was friendly. Manhattan was cold, a place you went when there was some sort of trouble. Broolynites in 1953 still referred to 1898 as the year of the big mistake (when Brooklyn united with Manhattan and the other three boroughs to create New York City in its modern form. That's why even in 1975 at the very beginning of the opening to "Welcome Back Kotter" you can see the sign that was placed on the Shore Parkway ramp from the Verrazano Bridge to greet people coming from Staten Island and New Jersey: "Welcome to Brooklyn 4th largest city in America". (After a 33 year hiatus, a new sign with the same wording now resides at Brooklyn Borough Hall.) Adding to Brooklyn's inferiority complex towards Manhattan was the relative position of the ball clubs of the respective boroughs for most of the 20th century. Brooklyn had the best team in major league baseball in 1899 and 1900. The Giants were also rans at that time. (The National League was the only major league from 1892-1900.) When the upstart American League began in 1901, their teams raided many of the best Dodger players. Meanwhile, events were getting put into motion that saw the Giants become one of the premier teams in the National League for the first four decades of the 20th century. From 1901 to 1939. the Giants won they won twelve pennants and four World Championships (there was no World Series when the Giants won the pennant in 1904). During that same time period, the Dodgers won only two pennants and lost the World Series in both of those years. As the twenties progressed into the thirties, the Dodgers became known as "The Daffiness Boys". Compared to the classy Giants, the Dodgers often seemed to be clowns. Any zany thing could happen at a Dodger game, more often than not something bad. They were just good enough to be mediocre, often finishing 6th in the 8 team league but rarely managing a winning record and rarely in contention for the pennant. Fortunes reversed in 1939 with the Dodgers getting new management and the Giants in decline. From 1940 to 1949, the Dodgers won three pennants and tied for the pennant in 1946 (only to lose to the Cardinals in a playoff series) while the Giants usually had a losing record. But in 1948, Leo Durocher (who had been the MG on WML a few weeks earlier) went directly from managing the Dodgers to managing the Giants. In the years from 1948 to 1955 when Durocher managed the Giants, the rivalry between the two teams was at its peak, especially in 1951-53 when Chuck Dressen (formerly a coach under Durocher) managed the Dodgers. Managing against each other, Dressen and Durocher would go at each game (except for a blowout like on this date) as if it was the 7th game of the World Series with all the strategic moves they would make, drawing on every bit of knowledge they had about baseball and the strengths and weaknesses of all the players on each team. And by now it is well-known that late in the 1951 season, the Giants amazing comeback was fueled by a spy with binoculars in the Giants clubhouse beyond the center field fence, stealing the signs being given by the opposing catcher to his pitcher. From 1948 to 1955, the Dodgers won four pennants and one World Championship, finished second three times (twice losing the pennant on the last day of the season, one of those times in a playoff to the Giants in 1951) and third once, with a winning record every year. The Giants won two pennants and one World Championship over the same period, finishing second once and third once. Steve Allen's comedy timing was usually impeccable. In this case, his timing couldn't have been worse. Sauerkraut is made by salting cabbage and Steve rubbed salt into the sauerkraut salesman's deep wounds. If we were posting in the climate of 1953 instead of 2017, Gary would probably need to put a ban on discussions about the Dodgers, Giants and Yankees.
@@loissimmons6558: Thank you for the wonderful summary of a great era of baseball. I was only 6 or 7 years old when the Giants and Dodgers moved out west, but I remember the shock of baseball fans in my small western PA town when it happened. Such moves were probably inevitable, but baseball lost a lot when New York was reduced to having only one team.
+mikejschin You are welcome. I was four years old when they moved. Having seen a Dodgers-Giants game at the Polo Grounds in September 1957, I was looking forward to seeing my first game at Ebbets Field the following year. It never happened. While Yankee fans in the neighborhood would taunt the Dodger fans about the team moving, we kids never thought it would happen. Many adults felt the same way. Even throughout spring training we thought at the last minute something would happen, a deal would be made and the "B" instead of "LA" would return to their caps. A bit of reality sunk in when Opening Day saw the Dodgers and Giants playing in Seals Stadium in San Francisco and a few days later at the Memorial Coliseum in Los Angeles. But even then I held out hope that someone would buy the team from Walter O'Malley and bring them back to Brooklyn. Then I hoped that someone would buy the Mets and trade franchises with the owner of the Dodgers so the Dodgers name and players (whoever they were at the time) could come back where I felt they belonged. I think I have finally accepted the fact that it will never happen. Somehow I managed to cope and come to that realization without an analyst's couch. But I still root for the Dodgers. The players didn't desert Brooklyn, Most of them wanted to stay in a town that knew baseball thoroughly, rooted for them fervently and loved them like family.
@@loissimmons6558 You have reawakened my fascination with baseball of that era. Time to resume my Strat-o-Matic play of the 1957 season, which I abandoned last year while still playing the April schedule. btw, Chuck Dressen was also the MG on WML; it was the September 28, 1952 episode. He beat Durocher by 8 months. lol
+mikejschin Actually Leo was the MG on 1/28/51 not long after Walter O'Malley hired Dressen to replace Burt Shotton at the Dodgers helm. But that is one of the many lost episodes from the early years of WML. And now you have brought back a memory for me by mentioning Strat-o-Matic baseball. I look at that game as a relative Johnny-come-lately. The first dice and statistic/card based games of that type that I remember hearing about were APBA (still around) and Big League Manager aka BLM (only vintage games available now on E-bay, etc.). I remember debates about them between devotees of each game as to which is better. Unfortunately my brother and I didn't play either of them. We played the lame All-Star Baseball game developed by former major league player Ethan Allen and designed for younger players (age 9-12) to have a simpler game. We collected a few years worth of cards and even created some of our own so we could have an 8 team league. But we tired of it because as we grew older, there was the absurdity that it didn't matter if your pitcher was Vern Law or Bennie Daniels: the batters' results were the same. Since you grew up in Western PA, were/are you a Pirates fan? 1957 was a pretty dismal year for the Bucs, following a decade of similarly dismal years. Branch Rickey's rebuilding of the team with young talent started to pay off the following year when the Pirates jumped all the way from a tie for the cellar (with the Cubs) to second place. Once my parents gave me my first transistor radio somewhere around 1964, I used to follow the Dodgers by listening to night games. Of course it was easy for me to pick up the Mets games in New York and watch the games on TV when they were televised. Unfortunately L.A. was too far away for me to hear the Dodgers broadcasts and ironically for many years the Phillies' station was too close on the dial to a NYC station to hear their games. But I would pick up Astros games on a New Orleans station (WWL), Cardinals games on KMOX, Cubs games on WGN, Reds games on WLW and Braves games once they moved to Atlanta on WSB. And of course I listened to Pirates games on KDKA with Bob Prince, Jim Woods and Nellie King behind the mike. I hated it when Prince would finish a game saying "We had them all the way", especially when they would pull out a game that they trailed for 8 innings when they came up with "a bloop and a blast". And of course I loved it when "Gunner" would have to eat crow and announce a Dodger victory. But I agree with him that Clemente was the "Great Roberto". He is the most talented player I ever saw and it galls me to think he could have been a Dodger. We had him at our top minor league team his first year as a pro, failed to protect him on the 40-man roster and lost him. One of the dumbest moves the Dodgers ever made. As good as their teams were during Clemente's career, they would have been a powerhouse if they had him.
Judy Holliday - Mensa, a woman with great character, beautiful, and a supremely talented actress. If you check out her bio, you would see that she was a woman that you could easily admire.
jim geiser Suppose your only tool was a 6 inch ruler and you were tasked with measuring the dimensions of a airliner. How accurate would you be? That’s the situation with IQ tests, especially in the 1950s. Results more than 3 standard deviations from the mean (IQ > 151 or 154, depending on which test was used) were off-the-scale and could not be meaningfully compared.
I saw it stated somewhere that Dorothy Kilgallen was robbed of beauty from her lack of a chin and "certainly not pretty". While she did have an odd chin, that didn't make her NOT pretty. At least not by looking at these old kinescope films. Her boozy, pill-popping later years may be a different story, but she was older then too.
Cletus Hunnicutt keep in mind that everyone looks better in b/w as it hides "imperfections" but then again back during these times women tried to look like women & not high priced call girls w/ll their body parts hanging out so they just looked more beautiful because they were classy beyond most women in the last 30+ yrs
Dorothy Kilgallen was a really important news reporter. Read Mark Shaw’s excellent book “The Reporter who knew too much.” She was murdered in 1965. She was never boozy or a pill popper.
Michael Hardin yes, I totally agree some people just believe gossip they hear Just very Sad . Dorothy was not as that guy said , a pill popper or drinker. Thanks for taking a stand for her as I am , shes long been gone, and its just sick, that some people have to drag her thru the mud, Still.
Not just chin but entire face does not conform to beauty. For contrast see Arlene or Judy. Dorothy’s body is waifish, not healthy feminine shapely like Arlene or Judy. But so what. Looks don’t effect WML game play
@@michaelhardin470 Nov 16, 1965 "Dorothy Kilgallen, the newspaper columnist and television personality, died last week from the reaction of a combination of alcohol and barbiturates, the Medical Examiner's office said yesterday." This also shows in search results for her official web site, "Dorothy Kilgallen died on November 8, 1965, of an overdose of barbiturate and alcohol. The beloved journalist and game show panelist was buried in Gate of Heaven..." I can't find any evidence of alcohol abuse but back then it was coming for newspapers to avoid reporting on certain behavior by the wealthy and powerful. And she had a lot of influence in the newspaper field.
The original concept was to try to deduce the occupation by looking at the guest. It was supposed to be a "serious" show from the get go, but that didn't last long once the first few shows were out of the way and it turned into an entertainment show with the quiz part being most irrelivent, like "You Bet Your Life" with Groucho or Herb Shriner's "Two for the Money" which showcased the hosts, here the panel is showcased.
It was quite common for people's occupation to show in their gate, the wear of certain clothing items, and in terms of calluses on particular places on the hands. If you've ever read Sherlock holmes, you get constant examples of him to do sing the profession of people based upon things like where at a particular location on their clothing like the elbows are forearms or at the end of the sleeves. Based upon the skin roughness and color you might deduce whether the person wore some kind of a mask or worked out doors or worked White collar versus blue color labor. The condition of the nails and likewise the condition of the rest of the skin of the hand would also contain an indication as to the job. It was dropped fairly quickly from what I understand. It was reduced significantly after the first season or maybe the first two seasons.
My mom to my sister, a world-class gum-cracker of the '50s: "A gum chewing girl and a cud chewing cow, there is a difference I will allow. What is that difference? I have it now. It's the intelligent look on the face of the cow."
John is still giving his backward summary of the rules, at 3:30 and 10:44 here, when he talks about "a No answer from the panel" or words to that effect. For someone who is so fluent and grammatical nearly all the time when speaking extemporaneously, it seems odd that he isn't realizing the mistake in his formulaic explanation: the No comes from the contestant, not the panel. I do recall that in some later episodes, before they dispensed with reviewing the rules, he would use phrases like "every time you can give them a good solid No answer" so apparently this error was eventually noticed. But for this and many preceding episodes, John gets it wrong more often than not.
@Neil Midkiff I hadn't noticed this before you pointed it out, but I'll take your word for it in terms of the past episodes and try to pay more attention to John's review of the rules in the ones still to come in my chronological "re-watch" schedule. :-)
Not very many episodes back, he had a little spree of starting the show by saying "Good night". One time he said something like "Good night, ladies and gentlemen-and good evening." A few other comments on his delivery: 1. I wonder whether he ever was annoyed by having to be redundant in saying "a preview look". 2. There was one time when he said to a contestant something like "You know the rules, so I won't take your time with them. For every 'no' answer, five dollars, we flip a card; we keep the record right up here; ten 'no's and you have won the game." He'd just said he wouldn't, and then he did! 3. In many of the very early episodes, he says something like "For other localities, check your newspaper for the date and time." I wonder whether he switched to saying to check "your local listings" because somebody like TV Guide pressed for him not to be so specific about which publication viewers should consult. 4. In the last several episodes, when contestants have finished playing, he has been sure to mention Stopette to them, as the source of the prize money or the source of the thanks being offered to them for their playing. To me this isn't annoying, but it is overkill: I think the Stopette ads that aired in the break were very effective on their own; unlike modern commercials, they always make me want the product.
As John Daly replied, it is a rather subjective question. I personally did not develop a taste for it until I was at least in my late teens, and I am a product of two cultures (Hungarian and German) that both feature sauerkraut in their cuisine. My mom made a Hungarian style goulash with leftover roast pork, sauerkraut, sour cream and paprika. I thought it was out of this world when I would bring some up to college with me after being home on vacation. It was marvelous with a slice of buttered bread on the side. But when I was a little kid, I hated it. Even so, it's hard to know what some kids will love and some will hate. It was a very qualified yes.
I had to look it up as some claims were bothersome. -Per 100g, sauerkraut has 0.9g of protein content -92g are comprised of water, technically making this more liquid than solid And another thing that seems fun to point out that there is a difference between store-bought plastic/canned sauerkraut, which is pasteurised to extend shelf life. Raw sauerkraut on the other hand is fermented and contains beneficial bacteria strains that make a great probiotic. While watching this, it's probably not accurate to "picture" the taste of the prepackaged product that complemented by last reuben sandwich.
That Steve is hysterical! Really wonderful comedian and so quick and sharp! A genius!
Judy Holiday was such a cutie!! So sad she wasn't with us longer. "Born Yesterday" is one of my favorite movies. She was so sweet, and a fine comedienne.
I agree, but here name was Judy Holliday* with two "l"s.
She was so adorable!!!💕
Judy Holliday was such a great and beautiful actress. It is a real shame she passed away at such a young age. Love her in "Born Yesterday"
Judy Holliday was such a rarity in so many ways. So bright, so talented and so very down to earth. Loved her in "It Should Happen to You", and, of course," Born Yesterday". Comedic genius!
I should think she was filming the great ''It Should Happen to You'' during this broadcast. It was also the film debut of Jack Lemmon.
Judy Holiday was such a delight.
One of Steve Allen's best performances. What a talent!
I love John Daly. He was a great host!
Such a pleasure to view these WML shows. One of my fondest childhood memories was being in the CBS Theater audience with my parents on a Sunday night (the night before, we'd seen Jackie Gleason with the June Taylor Dancers!). John Daly was moderating, and I remember Dorothy Kilgallen, Bennett Cerf, and the always classy Arlene Francis. I don't recall who the guest panelist was that night...but - of all things to remember - we were given little sample bottles of Stoppette deodorant!
Steve Ember What a wonderful memory!
Thank you so much! Such style they all had!
Steve Ember - So fun!! Good for you.
A wonderful memory for sure. I love this program!
Gosh, what a wonderful memory! Do you remember how they were when there was a commercial break? Did they talk together with each other? They seemed like they really enjoyed one another. 💕
Judy Holiday had such a sweet voice and she was very talented. Such a great loss. I wish she were around today and still just as young.
It's so cute when John Daly bursts into laughter!
Ashoodle I love his laughs in a particular episode with Groucho Marx. Real belly laughs!!
I love John Daly! They don’t make um like they used to!
I just saw Born Yesterday for the very first time yesterday and absolutely had to find out if that was her real voice. She is so amazing in the movie I was sure that was her real voice, guess now I see why she won the Oscar, on to the next one.
Another great Judy we lost too soon. My mother told me she saw Bells Are Ringing twice on Broadway. One time Carmen Miranda was seated nearby. Another legend we lost too soon.
Sweet Judy Holiday...........one of my very favorite actresses. Can one ever forget her performance in "Born Yesterday"? Gone too soon..................
I love her films, and the few radio shows I have with her in them, but my guess is she was at her absolute best in live performance, long before my time. She was a fascinating woman, brilliant-- literally a genius level IQ-- who simply radiated warmth from every pore. Kind of like Arlene in that respect. Everyone, simply everyone, loved her.
+Diego Julian About five decades too soon. She is one of my favorite 1950's stars, along with Susan Hayward. One of the only actresses who could make me want to laugh and cry...her performances were truly multidimensional. And she's adorable here, especially when she realizes Bennett Cerf has guessed her.
@@WhatsMyLine Very well said. Judy was magnificent!
Such a fun show. I am facing a serious addiction here...
Judy Holliday was such a fascinating woman and unique talent. I'm surprised a film hasn't been made about her life, especially with what happened at the hearings.
There were plans to make a Judy biofilm with Madeline Kahn, who in my opinion would have been a perfect. A shame it didn't happen.
Ed Harbur I would have loved that!. I agree Madeline Kahn would have been perfect...their talents were not dissimilar. In fact I've often thought there were similarities in facial features.
they had bone structure
Allen M. Quinn
Gone much too young.
Madeline Kahn would have been AMAZING in that role. What a real shame that never transpired. She absolutely would have not only nailed the look, but definitely would have captured her spirit and charisma.
I love the way some of the lady guests bring their purses with them and hang on to them for dear life.
Janet Williams I've been wondering about that too...I mean, did they have to have them with them? Seems odd to me!
It may have been a generational thing. My mother--45 when I was born and she came along the same year as John Daly, 1914--used to have nightmares about losing her purse. She carried her life in it. Today, people have both sexes often have a similar reaction to losing their cell phones.
Of both sexes--not have; sorry.
Rhonda Sewell They weren't called clutch bags for nothing! Often a fine accessory to an outfit. Carried lipstick, compact with mirror and powder, comb, handkerchief, keys....and maybe smelling salts.
Women never went anywhere without hat and purse and most often, gloves.
Beautiful necklace Dorothy!
this the the all-star panel.
Mrs. Chapman was delightful! 🥰 Judy Holliday is so adorable and beautiful -- just love her! ❤️❤️❤️
I loved this great actress. I remember when my Dad and I were listening to the radio when they announced she passed. So sad
Judging from the comments here and under other episodes, people get annoyed at Dorothy's measured approach to solving the puzzle. I really enjoy the way she sidles up to the answer. It can be really entertaining, and the audience seems to agree.
+maremacd agreed, dorothy seems to solve the majority of them, and i love her vocabulary. some think she's showboating but that's only on rare occasions, most of the time she's brilliant at it.
I like that Dorothy was always intelligent but still girly.
The only thing that's a bit annoying about Dorothy to me is how often she doesn't hear the answers. It happens to all of them on occasion but particularly to Dorothy.
I love her intelligence and logic.
She's a true asset to the show.
I love Steve Allen!
This beloved actress was on "What's My Line" 10 years later in 1963.
Judy was SO ADORABLE!
@18:50, “Bennett Cerf is too smart”....in a perfect Billie Dawn voice. Just wish they didn’t guess her identity so quickly, just wanted more of Judy.
i love judy holliday
Me too! 💙
Thanks Thom...
Great memories of Sunday nights watching "What's My Line" and Ed Sullivan.
"Born Yesterday" (1950) was and is still a great movie. Judy Holiday was the most beautiful, bright and charming actress of her day. She and Broderick Crawford played off each other so well. She got the Oscar and he should've gotten it also. Marry me Judy!
How can you not have a crush on Judy Holiday?
@z Man majority of your comments are JERK comments. Get a life.
@@stanmaxkolbe Your comment is the one that is insulting. Grow up please.
Bio-fact: the Brain is far far rarer in animal life than the Fundament. Often evident in comments. 😁i luv judy holliday😅♥
Back at you! It was only an "off the cuff" compliment. @@Tconl
@@ronaldbwoodall2628 That why his comment wasn't deleted... oh wait it was!
Amazing that Bennett Cerf recognized Judy Holliday's voice so easily after hearing her use it at an adjacent table at a nightclub once.
Michael Stern -- I'm still of the opinion the panelists were given clues as to the MGs' identities. Perhaps not their actual names, but close enough. Not unlike the "gambits" they pursued.
There are no other explanations as to how people's identities/"lines" were guessed so rapidly.
Juanette Butts - There are other explanations for panelists quickly guessing the mystery guests. As has been mentioned elsewhere in this WML community, the panelists kept up with show business and celebrity news, and were aware of who was visiting New York and who was on Broadway or had a movie opening. There was a kind of “in crowd” knowledge and an in-depth understanding of show business (note Bennett’s asking Judy Holliday if she was ever in a play produced by Max Gordon) that we can barely appreciate watching these shows decades later.
The panelists, especially Dorothy, will sometimes ask things like “did I see you at yesterday?”...or “were you in Rome last month?” These people tended to move in the same circles.
Dorothy Killgallen was a journalist, Arlene was quite busy on stage and screen (with her actor/producer husband Martin Gabel), and Bennett had what has been called encyclopedic knowledge on many subjects. They’re not perfect of course, but this is a very sharp and knowledgeable panel of people who continue to amaze... and entertain us all to this day! 😊
Laura Collins : Thank you for your lovely reply! I'm sure you're right. The more I become addicted to this channel and the more programs I watch, the more impressed I am by the panelists. Please forgive my previous ignorance. 😊
Juanette Butts - It’s easy to forgive such a gracious person. Besides, we members of the WML Fan Club need to stick together! 👍🏼 You are so right about this show being addictive.
@@lauracollins4195 Your insights are both valid and enjoyable. Ty
Steve Allen was hilarious - and smart.
Judy was so charming, such a wonderful smile………!! Adorable 💖✨
Mr Daly us wearing a light-coloured suit in this episode whereas normally he wears a dark one, probably a dinner jacket. The screen looks brighter as a result but perhaps the contrast between light and dark is not so strong. I noticed too that one of his tasks as moderator is to remove the mystery guest's name card or name board from the front of the desk before the 3rd contestant signs in. He looks effortless in his work but under the charm and the cheerfulness there must be a lot of stress. For me, he is the star no matter who the mystery guest turns out to be.
One would have thought the panelists would have made a connection to this mystery guest since the prior mystery guest mentioned he was in town making a movie with Judy Holiday.
Steve Allen always makes me laugh
Wow, Steve homed in on the Trichologist very quickly, both with his first set of questions and his second. Nice work there.
Does any one remember her in Adam's Rib and The Bells Are Ringing? When she won her Academy Award it was Ethel Barrymore that accepted it on her behalf.
Dorothy sure did check out the sauerkraut salesman well!
wish judy would have lasted longer, very funny lady.
@@January. i was referring to her length as a guest.
Poor Judy Holiday dying at 43 ...
Dorothy Kilgallen was one super smart lady
I'm surprised that nobody took Mr. Ciaccio's gum away before he stepped onto the stage.
There are so many wonderful tributes to Judy Holliday, I can't choose which one to reply to. So I will add my admiration for her beautiful, charming and delightful presence on the show that was all too brief.
On a personal note, an occasional client of mine is a member of the Dutch Treat Club that Bennett mentioned, the place where he had heard Miss Holliday use the same voice she thought would fool the panel. At the time this show aired, apparently the club was still attracting the creme de la creme of the NYC entertainment scene. As far as I can tell, they don't attract many A listers these days.
Lois Simmons Demographics issue--people are so much more spread out now but back in the day it was a smaller world and A list people (as well as half the country's millionaires) lived right in Manhattan. Also, people stopped joining clubs at the same rate in the 1960s. Also, the pace of life has speeded up--much less leisure time.
Surprised to learn, it's still there. I'm originally from NY, but this is a bit before my time. I used to hear about another popular NYC nite club called, Toot Shors. I wonder whatever happened with that. Jackie Gleason, Mickey Mantle, Billy Martin, et al, all used to drink and hang out there. Must've been a blast!
@@waynej2608 John Daly talked about Toots Shor's all the time -- one of his favorite hangouts, and Mr. Toots Shor himself appeared as a regular contestant (with a blindfolded panel) on the Feb. 11, 1962 episode of WML. Mr. Shor and John were clearly good buddies. Here's a link to the video of that episode: ruclips.net/video/0VK4jCnt3Nw/видео.html
Toots Shor is the first contestant. :-)
The sauerkraut salesman was TICKED at Steve Allen's crack about the Dodgers...who had just gotten whipped 20-3 earlier that day.
I saw that. He looked like he really wanted to 'represent' there. Lol
Loved her in born yesterday! First time I knew of her
An absolutely hair-raising episode!
The second one I've seen in the preserved episodes to date.
@golden86 Lol! Bennett would appreciate that one! ;)
@@loissimmons6558 27 Jul 1952
Dorothy was so smart lol.
Seeing Judy Holiday makes me so nostalgic. My mom liked her (who didnt?) I'm glad I was reared by parents in this generation. My generation came of age and sent so much good down the drain. That's when all the whining and entitlement started in earnest.
Surprised no one on the show mentioned It Should Happen to You, the new picture Holliday was filiming in NY (at least of it ), or even that her co-star Peter Lawford had just been the previous week's mystery guest.
@perpieta Agreed. I remember that they did mention Judy Holliday as a costar in the film during Peter Lawford's MG segment the week before.
Was watching Born Yesterday, yesterday as a matter of fact. She reminded me of the sweetness of Marilyn Monroe, and the savvy sensuous Mae West.😀 Marisa Tomei reminds me of Judy too 😏
Wow! Dorothy said the same thing I was thinking regarding the occupation of the first contestant being a secretary for the governor
that was fun
The first of Judy's four appearances in WML. Her untimely death at age 43 was one of the worst disaster that happened in American entertainment at that time. She starred in some of the funniest movies in the 1950s -- I particularly like "Pffft" The pithy dialog that Selma Diamond wrote for her and host Tallulah Bankhead for the radio variety program, "The Big Show" were some comic highlights of that show. She defeated none other than Bette Davis and Gloria Swanson for her Best Actress Oscar of 1950.
+soulierinvestments I haven't seen "Pffft" yet. I think it's the only Judy Holiday film I haven't seen by this point.
I think you know already how much I love "The Big Show"-- and Judy's spots are definitely highlights.
Judy Holliday was a lovely person. Sadly, breast cancer claimed her life at the young age of 43. Brilliant woman, too. She was reportedly a mathematical genius and had an I.Q. of 165, but what she loved to do for a living was nothing like mathematics or the sciences. She loved acting, singing and dancing and entertaining people, and she really could do all of those. Great singer, and she could do a whole bunch of accents and voices -- part of the fun of "Bells Are Ringing" is all the characters she'd portray when she answered people's telephones at the answering service switchboard. She was simply lovely and her death was really tragic in my view.
ToddSF 94109 There's only one biography of Judy as far as I'm aware, but it's quite excellent. I highly recommend it if you haven't read it yet!
www.amazon.com/Judy-Holliday-Intimate-Life-Story/dp/0872237575/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1471231817&sr=1-1&keywords=%22judy+holliday
What's My Line? -- I'd like to read that and no doubt will if I can get it as an eBook.
ToddSF 94109 I think I read that book a long time ago. It mentioned how she had to do her Billie Dawn dumb routine when she had to go before HUAC.
My favorite actress judy Holliday ❤❤❤❤❤
JUDY HOLLIDAY was delightful. Won her Best Actress Oscar in 1951 in a VERY competitive category against screen legends BETTE DAVIS and GLORIA SWANSON and she won for a rare comedic performance in BORN YESTERDAY. Sadly, her great success on film AND stage (she was also a TONY winner for her work on Broadway) was short-lived as was she. In 1965 she sadly passed away at only 45 from a long bout with breast cancer in her apartment in the notorious DAKOTA bldg. where JOHN LENNON was later murdered.
She was lovely.❤
Its 2024. I love these shows !
One thing I learned, 7up existed way back 1953.
Loved that Crack by Allen.
Since 1929
You'd definitely know after 5 plates of sauerkraut that someone was sitting next to you was producing "something"!
Judy Holiday.
Gone too soon.
❤
At 10:00, Steve and Dorothy looked at Mr. Ciaccio’s hands. After this show, the panelists only shook contestants’ hands during the walk until 25 Oct 1953.
They just don't mak'em like Judy Holliday anymore
Nope, they truly don't.
The brilliant Judy Holiday! I read that her I Q was a few points higher than Einstein!
I've often found IQ to be a flawed measure. The concept of measuring intelligence using a test you can train for, means you are testing the ability to practice rather than the ability to think. Also, the idea of recognising processing speed over complexity of thought is short sighted.
Is the person who can resolve standard calculations in a short space of time more intelligent than the person who can solve a more complex problem over a longer period of time? In my view, both have value but IQ only recognises the former.
Asserting Judy’s IQ was higher than Einstein (or Newton, or Feynman, or Hawkins) is a quick way to impeach the validity of IQ tests.
I wonder why Mr. John Charles Daly gave up that first contestant so quickly… Steve Allen didn't get it specifically right
@Sal Bazaz I agree, and that really bothers me every time I watch this episode. Instead of just asking Steve if he wanted to ask any further questions, he should have asked Steve, "well, what is her purpose in working on people's scalps?" or something like that -- which seems like exactly the type of question he would normally ask. The only reason I can think of is that it was already more than 8 minutes into the program (and that's going by our YT video, which does not include commercials), so about 1/3 of the way through the program, and he thought they needed to end the segment. Still, it really wasn't fair to the contestant, who might have won more money if Steve, and perhaps other panelists, had gotten a "no" to their next questions. And they ended up spending another full minute chatting with and about Miss Chavin and her "line," so the time issue doesn't seem to justify it either.
It was rude.
When Dorothy asked the monkey keeper if the animals he worked with were in the simian family I fully expected him to say "I don't know the Simeon's that well."
Wait they had another lady on before with “raises hair on bald heads!”
judy holliday. i love her
Oh, those dimples!
I'm just going to where Judy appears on all her visits.
I haven't even heard if Judy Holliday however I found this episode very funny.
I hope by now you have seen her, especially in Born Yesterday. A classic.
It's funny that the first guest had that job, since this is the first clip of the show that I noticed that the host had a combover. I wonder if she gave him her business card?
7 up nice cold one … yes
I can't imagine why the last contestant was so averse to the notion of sauerkraut at a picnic. Sauerkraut is very frequently eaten on a hot dog in a bun and I can easily imagine people grilling hot dogs at a picnic and serving them on hot dog buns with various condiments including sauerkraut. In fact, I'm sure I've been at a picnic where hot dogs were served and since sauerkraut was available, I've put some on my hot dog. For me, a plain hot dog is rather boring, but add some sauerkraut and it is greatly improved. (Also great with knackwurst . . . . ) Also the contestant's immediate "no" when Steve Allen asked if the food is a composite of various items was puzzling. Sauerkraut is made from shredded cabbage, white vinegar and salt, so it is, without question, a composite product. It's not just plain shredded cabbage.
The traditional method doesn't use vinegar, but gets its sourness from lactic acid produced by bacteria during fermentation. Salt is the only other ingredient. Then again, if you do use white vinegar in your recipe, that may well be derived from grain, so Bennett's question would get a Yes in that case.
I make my own Sauer kraut and the only ingredient added to the cabbage is salt. I have never heard of anyone adding vinegar. The salt generates the liquid during the tamping and fermentation process.
The cabbage is stored in crocks for approximately eight weeks before being stored in jars or ziploc bags.
70 years ago folks didn't use sauerkraut like that.😊
The last contestant (the "dude" from Brooklyn) seemed to have a bit of an attitude, especially when it came to Mr. Allen's whimsical jest concerning the Brooklyn Dodgers. Then again, from personal experience dealing with sports fanatics, I found out that not too many of them have much of a sense of humor regarding their "home team".
+Jeffrey Slott
It's been nearly 60 years since the Dodgers and Giants were playing their home games in NYC, so unless you are old enough, a big enough fan of baseball history, or have older relatives who lived through it first hand and told you the stories, there is no way to understand just how bitter the rivalry was between the Dodgers and Giants, and even more so between Dodger fans and Giants fans. People were actually killed sometimes when the arguments (usually in a bar) got out of hand.
Mr. Brown, as most people from Brooklyn were, was very obviously a Dodgers fan. Although the Dodgers would go on to repeat as National League champions in 1953 with their best regular season record since the start of the 20th century (105-49, a winning percentage of .682), July 5, 1953 was a terrible day in the Dodgers season. They played a 4th of July double header against the Pirates at Ebbets Field the day before (a split) and then played a game against the Pirates in Pittsburgh on Monday (where they took out their frustrations on the hapless Pirates, as Steve remarked they were an unprofitable team at the time, 14-2). But in between, they were scheduled to play an oddity: a one game Sunday series against the Giants at the Polo Grounds.
That day, the Dodgers suffered their worst defeat of the season, losing 20-6. You actually needed more of an adding machine than a slide rule for that one. Not only is the challenger miffed but someone (it sounds like Dorothy's voice) tells Steve to be quiet. For a brief moment, Steve became as unpopular as Hal Block had been four months earlier.
The Dodgers actually took a 2-0 lead in the top of the first inning against their nemesis (and teammate in 1956-7) Sal Maglie when Wayne Belardi hit a two out, two run triple to center field, scoring Jim Gilliam and Duke Snider. Belardi was getting a rare start at first base as Gil Hodges was playing left field that day. And he eventually drove in four of the six Dodgers runs (one with a home run off Maglie in the seventh inning). And Willie Mays wasn't there to track down Belardi's triple that day (if anyone could have caught it). Mays was in the Army that year. Bobby Thomson (who had been the Giants center fielder in 1951 before Mays was brought up from the minor leagues) was in center field that day.
That was the last the Dodgers saw of the lead. The Giants scored three in the bottom of the first and scored in every inning thereafter until they were finally retired three up, three down in the bottom of the eighth inning, their last at bat. Four errors by the Dodgers didn't help, especially when the Giants had five home runs among their sixteen hits. By the time the Dodgers came to bat in the top of the sixth inning (the next inning in which they scored), they were trailing 17-2. Giants third baseman Hank Thompson, the only person to be the first black player for two different major league teams (St. Louis Browns and the Giants), drove in seven of the twenty runs with a three run home run in the fourth inning off of Joe Black and a grand slam home run in the fifth inning off of Ralph Branca.
It was a sour day for Dodger fans and definitely NOT the day to make fun of the Dodgers. The rule of thumb was very simple: when "dem Bums" (our affectionate nickname for our team - yes, I am a lifelong Dodger fan) were playing poorly, Dodger fans could complain to each other about how the team was playing or how a particular player was terrible. But if a Yankee fan or especially if a Giants fan should come along and make fun of our team, them's fighting words.
It also went beyond baseball. It was a matter of civic pride. The Giants played in Manhattan. Manhattanites in the ritzier neighborhoods (of which there were many) looked upon themselves as the upper crust sophisticates (i.e. a world into which Hal Block didn't fit). They looked upon Brooklynites as bumpkins, great unwashed and generally beneath them.
Brooklyn residents resented being treated that way. To them Brooklyn was friendly. Manhattan was cold, a place you went when there was some sort of trouble. Broolynites in 1953 still referred to 1898 as the year of the big mistake (when Brooklyn united with Manhattan and the other three boroughs to create New York City in its modern form. That's why even in 1975 at the very beginning of the opening to "Welcome Back Kotter" you can see the sign that was placed on the Shore Parkway ramp from the Verrazano Bridge to greet people coming from Staten Island and New Jersey: "Welcome to Brooklyn 4th largest city in America". (After a 33 year hiatus, a new sign with the same wording now resides at Brooklyn Borough Hall.)
Adding to Brooklyn's inferiority complex towards Manhattan was the relative position of the ball clubs of the respective boroughs for most of the 20th century. Brooklyn had the best team in major league baseball in 1899 and 1900. The Giants were also rans at that time. (The National League was the only major league from 1892-1900.) When the upstart American League began in 1901, their teams raided many of the best Dodger players. Meanwhile, events were getting put into motion that saw the Giants become one of the premier teams in the National League for the first four decades of the 20th century. From 1901 to 1939. the Giants won they won twelve pennants and four World Championships (there was no World Series when the Giants won the pennant in 1904). During that same time period, the Dodgers won only two pennants and lost the World Series in both of those years. As the twenties progressed into the thirties, the Dodgers became known as "The Daffiness Boys". Compared to the classy Giants, the Dodgers often seemed to be clowns. Any zany thing could happen at a Dodger game, more often than not something bad. They were just good enough to be mediocre, often finishing 6th in the 8 team league but rarely managing a winning record and rarely in contention for the pennant.
Fortunes reversed in 1939 with the Dodgers getting new management and the Giants in decline. From 1940 to 1949, the Dodgers won three pennants and tied for the pennant in 1946 (only to lose to the Cardinals in a playoff series) while the Giants usually had a losing record. But in 1948, Leo Durocher (who had been the MG on WML a few weeks earlier) went directly from managing the Dodgers to managing the Giants. In the years from 1948 to 1955 when Durocher managed the Giants, the rivalry between the two teams was at its peak, especially in 1951-53 when Chuck Dressen (formerly a coach under Durocher) managed the Dodgers. Managing against each other, Dressen and Durocher would go at each game (except for a blowout like on this date) as if it was the 7th game of the World Series with all the strategic moves they would make, drawing on every bit of knowledge they had about baseball and the strengths and weaknesses of all the players on each team. And by now it is well-known that late in the 1951 season, the Giants amazing comeback was fueled by a spy with binoculars in the Giants clubhouse beyond the center field fence, stealing the signs being given by the opposing catcher to his pitcher.
From 1948 to 1955, the Dodgers won four pennants and one World Championship, finished second three times (twice losing the pennant on the last day of the season, one of those times in a playoff to the Giants in 1951) and third once, with a winning record every year. The Giants won two pennants and one World Championship over the same period, finishing second once and third once.
Steve Allen's comedy timing was usually impeccable. In this case, his timing couldn't have been worse. Sauerkraut is made by salting cabbage and Steve rubbed salt into the sauerkraut salesman's deep wounds. If we were posting in the climate of 1953 instead of 2017, Gary would probably need to put a ban on discussions about the Dodgers, Giants and Yankees.
@@loissimmons6558: Thank you for the wonderful summary of a great era of baseball. I was only 6 or 7 years old when the Giants and Dodgers moved out west, but I remember the shock of baseball fans in my small western PA town when it happened. Such moves were probably inevitable, but baseball lost a lot when New York was reduced to having only one team.
+mikejschin
You are welcome.
I was four years old when they moved. Having seen a Dodgers-Giants game at the Polo Grounds in September 1957, I was looking forward to seeing my first game at Ebbets Field the following year. It never happened.
While Yankee fans in the neighborhood would taunt the Dodger fans about the team moving, we kids never thought it would happen. Many adults felt the same way. Even throughout spring training we thought at the last minute something would happen, a deal would be made and the "B" instead of "LA" would return to their caps. A bit of reality sunk in when Opening Day saw the Dodgers and Giants playing in Seals Stadium in San Francisco and a few days later at the Memorial Coliseum in Los Angeles. But even then I held out hope that someone would buy the team from Walter O'Malley and bring them back to Brooklyn. Then I hoped that someone would buy the Mets and trade franchises with the owner of the Dodgers so the Dodgers name and players (whoever they were at the time) could come back where I felt they belonged.
I think I have finally accepted the fact that it will never happen. Somehow I managed to cope and come to that realization without an analyst's couch. But I still root for the Dodgers. The players didn't desert Brooklyn, Most of them wanted to stay in a town that knew baseball thoroughly, rooted for them fervently and loved them like family.
@@loissimmons6558 You have reawakened my fascination with baseball of that era. Time to resume my Strat-o-Matic play of the 1957 season, which I abandoned last year while still playing the April schedule.
btw, Chuck Dressen was also the MG on WML; it was the September 28, 1952 episode. He beat Durocher by 8 months. lol
+mikejschin
Actually Leo was the MG on 1/28/51 not long after Walter O'Malley hired Dressen to replace Burt Shotton at the Dodgers helm. But that is one of the many lost episodes from the early years of WML.
And now you have brought back a memory for me by mentioning Strat-o-Matic baseball. I look at that game as a relative Johnny-come-lately. The first dice and statistic/card based games of that type that I remember hearing about were APBA (still around) and Big League Manager aka BLM (only vintage games available now on E-bay, etc.). I remember debates about them between devotees of each game as to which is better. Unfortunately my brother and I didn't play either of them. We played the lame All-Star Baseball game developed by former major league player Ethan Allen and designed for younger players (age 9-12) to have a simpler game. We collected a few years worth of cards and even created some of our own so we could have an 8 team league. But we tired of it because as we grew older, there was the absurdity that it didn't matter if your pitcher was Vern Law or Bennie Daniels: the batters' results were the same.
Since you grew up in Western PA, were/are you a Pirates fan? 1957 was a pretty dismal year for the Bucs, following a decade of similarly dismal years. Branch Rickey's rebuilding of the team with young talent started to pay off the following year when the Pirates jumped all the way from a tie for the cellar (with the Cubs) to second place.
Once my parents gave me my first transistor radio somewhere around 1964, I used to follow the Dodgers by listening to night games. Of course it was easy for me to pick up the Mets games in New York and watch the games on TV when they were televised. Unfortunately L.A. was too far away for me to hear the Dodgers broadcasts and ironically for many years the Phillies' station was too close on the dial to a NYC station to hear their games. But I would pick up Astros games on a New Orleans station (WWL), Cardinals games on KMOX, Cubs games on WGN, Reds games on WLW and Braves games once they moved to Atlanta on WSB. And of course I listened to Pirates games on KDKA with Bob Prince, Jim Woods and Nellie King behind the mike. I hated it when Prince would finish a game saying "We had them all the way", especially when they would pull out a game that they trailed for 8 innings when they came up with "a bloop and a blast". And of course I loved it when "Gunner" would have to eat crow and announce a Dodger victory. But I agree with him that Clemente was the "Great Roberto". He is the most talented player I ever saw and it galls me to think he could have been a Dodger. We had him at our top minor league team his first year as a pro, failed to protect him on the 40-man roster and lost him. One of the dumbest moves the Dodgers ever made. As good as their teams were during Clemente's career, they would have been a powerhouse if they had him.
Judy 😍❤
Judy was reportedly highly intelligent. So was Dorothy, Steve and Bennett.
Arlene was also😊
@@robertholman8730: No she was not! I couldn't stand her!
Born Yesterday with Judy Holliday and William Holden is available here on RUclips. Please watch if you haven’t seen it. Absolutely wonderful movie.
I thought you meant for free. I'm not "buying or renting" it.
@@broughtbackin it is free.
@@kaliarisam7868 Hmmm. I can't find the full movie for free. Just little bits and pieces.
@@broughtbackin it’s on RUclips Movies and TV. Search for Born Yesterday 1950. I checked for you and it’s there. Enjoy!
I've got two movies on DVD with Judy Holliday in them, "Never Wave at a WAC", and "Mr. Hobbs Takes a Vacation". Great in both.
WHAT? Judy Holliday wasn't in either of those movies.
@@ChrisHansonCanada That was Marie Wilson.
Judy Halliday is gorgeous !!!
Judy Holliday - Mensa, a woman with great character, beautiful, and a supremely talented actress. If you check out her bio, you would see that she was a woman that you could easily admire.
IQ of 172. She died at age 43 of cancer. That just sucked having cancer.
jim geiser Suppose your only tool was a 6 inch ruler and you were tasked with measuring the dimensions of a airliner. How accurate would you be? That’s the situation with IQ tests, especially in the 1950s. Results more than 3 standard deviations from the mean (IQ > 151 or 154, depending on which test was used) were off-the-scale and could not be meaningfully compared.
Second guest (Ciaccio) is chewing gum - that’s a first!
Bennett yelled at a guest in later years, but not this time?
Majority of folks back then chewed gum😅
This episode is older than me, and I'm older than dirt.
I wonder if any one panelist has been the only one to question and identify a contestant by himself.
liberty Ann On very rare occasions it did happen.
Bennett Cerf did it only a few weeks earlier with Mickey Mantle
@@lauraminer9542 Dorothy did it with Shirley Booth, too.
She used that first voice in Born Yesterday
I really need to know about this hair raising.....seriously.
Wonder how Bennett Cerf missed calling the first contestant a real hair raiser.
She’s a Queens NY girl just like me lol rock on sunny side
Friends…the money might not seem like a lot but $50 in 1953 is about $525 in Jan of 2022.
It was a weeks pay, or a house payment 😊
She died so young
I saw it stated somewhere that Dorothy Kilgallen was robbed of beauty from her lack of a chin and "certainly not pretty". While she did have an odd chin, that didn't make her NOT pretty. At least not by looking at these old kinescope films. Her boozy, pill-popping later years may be a different story, but she was older then too.
Cletus Hunnicutt keep in mind that everyone looks better in b/w as it hides "imperfections" but then again back during these times women tried to look like women & not high priced call girls w/ll their body parts hanging out so they just looked more beautiful because they were classy beyond most women in the last 30+ yrs
Dorothy Kilgallen was a really important news reporter. Read Mark Shaw’s excellent book “The Reporter who knew too much.” She was murdered in 1965. She was never boozy or a pill popper.
Michael Hardin yes, I totally agree some people just believe gossip they hear Just very Sad . Dorothy was not as that guy said , a pill popper or drinker. Thanks for taking a stand for her as I am , shes long been gone, and its just sick, that some people have to drag her thru the mud, Still.
Not just chin but entire face does not conform to beauty. For contrast see Arlene or Judy. Dorothy’s body is waifish, not healthy feminine shapely like Arlene or Judy. But so what. Looks don’t effect WML game play
@@michaelhardin470
Nov 16, 1965 "Dorothy Kilgallen, the newspaper columnist and television personality, died last week from the reaction of a combination of alcohol and barbiturates, the Medical Examiner's office said yesterday."
This also shows in search results for her official web site, "Dorothy Kilgallen died on November 8, 1965, of an overdose of barbiturate and alcohol. The beloved journalist and game show panelist was buried in Gate of Heaven..."
I can't find any evidence of alcohol abuse but back then it was coming for newspapers to avoid reporting on certain behavior by the wealthy and powerful. And she had a lot of influence in the newspaper field.
I never understood the value of the "perp walk" that contestants did. Later on, they did away with it.
The original concept was to try to deduce the occupation by looking at the guest. It was supposed to be a "serious" show from the get go, but that didn't last long once the first few shows were out of the way and it turned into an entertainment show with the quiz part being most irrelivent, like "You Bet Your Life" with Groucho or Herb Shriner's "Two for the Money" which showcased the hosts, here the panel is showcased.
Who ever thought that was a good idea?
It was quite common for people's occupation to show in their gate, the wear of certain clothing items, and in terms of calluses on particular places on the hands.
If you've ever read Sherlock holmes, you get constant examples of him to do sing the profession of people based upon things like where at a particular location on their clothing like the elbows are forearms or at the end of the sleeves.
Based upon the skin roughness and color you might deduce whether the person wore some kind of a mask or worked out doors or worked White collar versus blue color labor.
The condition of the nails and likewise the condition of the rest of the skin of the hand would also contain an indication as to the job.
It was dropped fairly quickly from what I understand. It was reduced significantly after the first season or maybe the first two seasons.
I had a teacher in junior high that told her students chewing gum made them look like cows chewing their cud. Sadly no one told the first contestant.
Huh? The first contestant wasn't chewing anything.
I'm sure she means the second contestant as he was chomping up a storm.
My mom to my sister, a world-class gum-cracker of the '50s: "A gum chewing girl and a cud chewing cow, there is a difference I will allow. What is that difference? I have it now. It's the intelligent look on the face of the cow."
John is still giving his backward summary of the rules, at 3:30 and 10:44 here, when he talks about "a No answer from the panel" or words to that effect. For someone who is so fluent and grammatical nearly all the time when speaking extemporaneously, it seems odd that he isn't realizing the mistake in his formulaic explanation: the No comes from the contestant, not the panel. I do recall that in some later episodes, before they dispensed with reviewing the rules, he would use phrases like "every time you can give them a good solid No answer" so apparently this error was eventually noticed. But for this and many preceding episodes, John gets it wrong more often than not.
@Neil Midkiff I hadn't noticed this before you pointed it out, but I'll take your word for it in terms of the past episodes and try to pay more attention to John's review of the rules in the ones still to come in my chronological "re-watch" schedule. :-)
Not very many episodes back, he had a little spree of starting the show by saying "Good night". One time he said something like "Good night, ladies and gentlemen-and good evening."
A few other comments on his delivery:
1. I wonder whether he ever was annoyed by having to be redundant in saying "a preview look".
2. There was one time when he said to a contestant something like "You know the rules, so I won't take your time with them. For every 'no' answer, five dollars, we flip a card; we keep the record right up here; ten 'no's and you have won the game." He'd just said he wouldn't, and then he did!
3. In many of the very early episodes, he says something like "For other localities, check your newspaper for the date and time." I wonder whether he switched to saying to check "your local listings" because somebody like TV Guide pressed for him not to be so specific about which publication viewers should consult.
4. In the last several episodes, when contestants have finished playing, he has been sure to mention Stopette to them, as the source of the prize money or the source of the thanks being offered to them for their playing. To me this isn't annoying, but it is overkill: I think the Stopette ads that aired in the break were very effective on their own; unlike modern commercials, they always make me want the product.
Judy was dressed so sexy, oh,boy !
Did the panel "ever" get their one free guess?
Yes, there is a playlist showing every one.
Did Bennett dye his hair as the series went on? It seems as if his hair got darker as the years progressed.
@Frank Santore Many people have commented on that, so I'm assuming that he did dye his hair later on. I don't find it so noticeable myself.
I love sauerkraut, but I don't know of many children who are very fond of it.
As John Daly replied, it is a rather subjective question. I personally did not develop a taste for it until I was at least in my late teens, and I am a product of two cultures (Hungarian and German) that both feature sauerkraut in their cuisine. My mom made a Hungarian style goulash with leftover roast pork, sauerkraut, sour cream and paprika. I thought it was out of this world when I would bring some up to college with me after being home on vacation. It was marvelous with a slice of buttered bread on the side. But when I was a little kid, I hated it.
Even so, it's hard to know what some kids will love and some will hate. It was a very qualified yes.
I had to look it up as some claims were bothersome.
-Per 100g, sauerkraut has 0.9g of protein content
-92g are comprised of water, technically making this more liquid than solid
And another thing that seems fun to point out that there is a difference between store-bought plastic/canned sauerkraut, which is pasteurised to extend shelf life. Raw sauerkraut on the other hand is fermented and contains beneficial bacteria strains that make a great probiotic. While watching this, it's probably not accurate to "picture" the taste of the prepackaged product that complemented by last reuben sandwich.
The zoo keeper is chewing gum?!! On tv.
That second contestant kept chomping on gum.
I actually loved Judy in Singing in the Rain.
Purple Capricorn She wasn't even in that movie, so you must _really_ love her. :)
What's My Line?
Oh! I get her mixed up with Jean Hagen who was in Adams Rib with her.
Purple Capricorn Judy was in far too few films in her far too short life.
Purple Capricorn That was Debbie Not Judy