Mercedes EV bursts into flames, damages 70 cars - my advice on batteries
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- Mercedes EV bursts into flames, damages 70 cars - my advice on batteries
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Never buy a chinese anything. They have murdered every single animal in all of china, including all the fish and marine life in the sea. All of it. No fish. Not one single bird in all of China. They killed them all and ate them all. You are supporting the slaughter of all the oceans. I thought you were a surfer. I guess your surfing is fake too.
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I see it in the long run, the Chinese will take all the world market other than the US and maybe Europe. This means, at best, the EU and US car makers will be pushed back into their backyards.
Benz is one of the worst companies for customer support, even for their petrol/diesel vehicles. I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.
I'm always amazed at how many millions & billions of money car co's have for research & develop, and then lose money. A waste of money, and everyone says we have no money. We can't help the poor people. Look at the $$Bn of dollars LOST and down the drain for car co's.
@@Chicago48 Having worked in that industry let me explain a few things. Car companies have make actual working car and crash then in dozens of ways and then make a whole lot of new tooling with changes and then smash them until it's right and the tools and the setup cost 100.s of thousands each time. also a typical car company will have 100 to 200 engineers at $100,000+ salaries working on the new model up to 5 years, That's where cost comes from. Remember that money comes from car sales, not taxes so if you want that to go into the homeless then you have to convince car buyers to pay 10,000 into a homeless fund instead of to the car company to design new better, safer cars and also convince the buyer to keep buying shitty old unsafe cars like the model T Ford on top of that. I don't think anyone will go for it.
@@etmax1 Legacy car companies have been so poorly managed for years. Bad decisions, bad manufacturing and just stupid costs. You might as well flush the money down the toilet.
Haha, it's cleat you never owned a Benz.
German engineering (in general) is overrated. They may be good at ICE and related tech, but automatically assuming their ability to be the same in, e.g. software engineering or battery, is a wishful thinking. 🤔
I live in Korea and here is what I heard about the EV fire from the media.
1) The car is Mercedes ECE saloon having CATL's NCM811 batteries.
2) The car was NOT connected to any charger, and it caught fire when it was not in use for almost 3 days.
3) No human casualties but the property damage was huge since it occurred in an underground parking lot.
4) More than 40 cars were incinerated and > 100 cars were damaged by heat and soot.
5) The fire destroyed the power and water lines of several buildings in the complex and hundreds of residents had to evacuate from their houses.
the battery provider of that specific vehicle is farasis.
Electric car can not be perfect, so not suitable in Korean underground parking.
Don't forget that the whole building structure is no longer reliable after the basement support columns got incinerated ..
catl을 장착한다고 벤츠 부사장이 과거에 이야기 했었는데 farasis를 탑재했던거죠...
거짓말 치는 벤츠 ㅋㅋ
You won’t believe how relieved LGES, aka, LG Chem was after finding out this time the culprit wasn’t their batteries. The Koreans went on a smear campaign on Chinese battery makers, not realizing how damaging their actions are to their own battery makers
BTW sammy it isn't smoke coming from the merc it's toxic flammable gas therefore the ensuring gas explosion you can see in footage classic scene of thermal runaway gas first then the explosion and fire
5:12 It wasn't charging and was just parked for 3 days. Afterwards, a fire broke out naturally. Mercedes-Benz advertised that it would use CATL batteries, but adopted Farasis batteries with inferior technology, and problems arose there.
A few years ago I was working in a 3rd floor office, I looked out of the window and saw a mini on a car park (1970's car) on fire, it belonged to a colleague who was horrified. The fire service arrived about 10 minutes later, by which time the five cars around the mini were also well alight. There was no obvious cause, but the Fire people said most likely an electrical fault.
I think the fire brigade generally say 'Electrical fault' if its a car, or 'A discarded cigarette' if its in a house.
Basically means cause unknown.
I remember back in the early eightie there was a Black VW Beetle parked round the corner from our house and I thought "Blacked out windows - thats Gangsta". it was however the smoke inside the cabin settling on the glass. I realised this when one of the side windows cracked with a loud splintering noise. We called the Fire Brigade and by the time they arrived the car was proper alight. All that was left in the end was anything metal. No other car was damaged as they had time to move them away.
EQE has exploded in the carpark. Destroyed other 70 Cars in South Korea Yesterday. FYI
Unfortunately, the sprinkler in the underground parking lot did not work. The fire would not have spread to the adjacent vehicles if the sprinkler had worked.
don't forget that the other cars have Gasoline catch fire too 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
May 2024
The Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency found that EVs are 20 times less likely to catch fire than ICE cars.
An additional study by that agency and an American insurer found that just 25 out of 100,000 EVs suffer fire damage.
By comparison, 1530 per 100,000 ICE cars experience fire, and hybrid vehicles suffer a much higher risk of 3475 per 100,000.
However actual experience shows that it usually takes less than 1 hour to fully extinguish and another 2 to 6 hours to clean up the haz mat from a ICE car fire. Compared to a EV that requires up to 40 times the amount of water, and can take up to 30 days to fully extinguish. In at least one case a pit had to be dug and filled with water. It also takes up to 45 days days to clean up the haz mat debris from some of the fires as it is to hazardous to move In addition to the hazardous fumes from the EV fires that cannot be contained and require special breathing equipment for the firefighters as the Scott packs do not afford adequate protection.
Those stats are utterly ridiculous. 1.5% of all ICE cars experience fire? Really? Think about it. There are 300+ cars with 1 block of my house. According to those stats, there should have been 4.5 fires per year. *There have been no car fires around the area for 20 years. * Where have the 30 fires gone?!
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In the end more safe battery is current solution eg LFP, better are sodium
However in the end Hydrogen fuel cell is yhe solution for EV
Such EV travels at leadt 2x to even 4x distance then BEV
Similarly Hydrogen fuel cell drones travel 2x to 4x of Battery powered drones!
Problem with PHEV is the catalytic converter. It can get very hot and if adjacent to the battery pack can cause the pack to heat soak.
In a BEV, the battery normally operates at about 35C.
When you park the car the battery cooling system should come on and cool the battery pack to near ambient for the parked mode. This is indicated by the heat pump and fans coming on. They normally run for five to ten minutes after locking the car and shut off when the battery is fully cooled. The cooling cycle is indicated by the parking lights being on. They turn off when the cycle is complete.
If the car doesnt go through this cooling cycle there could be a problem. Contact the dealer for advice.
If lithium ion batteries were so dangerous every house in America would have burned down by now. Every house has multiple batteries in them from phones to hand held tools to electric lawn equipment. I'm more worried about the couple of gallons of gas in my garage left over from my ICE days. Time to take the gas can to the hazardous waste site.
Lawrence - when its comes to risk and Lithium ion batteries - size matters.
The likelihood of a single battery cell entering thermal runaway is vanishingly low. The risk of 3-4 cells (power tools/phones) doing so is still a little higher. The risk of thousands of cells in close proximity, is thousands of times higher. This is still a very low probability but when you have millions of cars and when they start to age, or rodents start to chew on wires the likelihood of a fire increases.
Then you have the consequences. A fire caused by batteries with less than a kWh of capacity will be hot and toxic... but small and containable. It will burn itself out fairly quickly, unless it manages to ignite something else. On the other hand, a fire caused by batteries with 60-120 kWh of capacity... will self-oxidise and burn with intense heat and toxic gas for many hours.
As forthat 2 gallons of gas: It can only ignite if there is an ignition source. It cannot spontaneously combust. It cannot self-oxidise. If it does catch on fire (perhaps due to a tool battery charging nearby), it will burn rapidly, and is easily extinguished with CO2 or a fire blanket (anything that can starve it of oxygen).
Insurance underwriters will be the judge and they're busy recalculating premiums right now including- Does the building allow charging for EVs? Does the building allow parking of EVs?....
@@lawrenceasero2207 Here in Australia there have been several hundred lithium ion battery related fires since Jan 1st this year. Most were Chinese electric scooter batteries and others were Chinese power tool batteries. The common thread was they were all Chinese made batteries and most of the fires started during charging.
I’m a full time RV’er who sleeps 6” above 10kWh LFP bank and been expecting to spontaneously combust any moment for the past 5 years.
What a load of crap. It might burn with some vigour if you manage to start a fire that melts its container but it won’t start a fire because it can’t.
Moral of the story: only buy cars with CATL or BYD batteries
this were Catl cells
You did hear the part where he said, it’s expected the car had a CATL-battery?
You were trying to say: only buy cars with LFP batteries.
@@epmpartnerno lg chem this sam is not properly informed
@@Eiswuestesam knows no shit these were lg chem ternery 😂
A plugin hybrid is not "essentially an electric car" (3:33) ... it's essentially an ICE car with an alibi electric motor.
Hybrids ARE A JOKE ! STOP THIS NON SENSE !
@@ellsworthm.toohey7657 Have you ever been in one or spoken to its owner? Hybrids have many of the advantages of both ICEVs and BEVs and can be manufactured at a lower cost than either because they only need a smaller engine and a much smaller battery. They have the fastest growth rate and lowest depreciation because they give the best convenience and value for money for most people.
@@philipbrown9006 Don't repeat headlines from legacy media outlets. They are usually wrong.
@@philipbrown9006 Hybrids combine the worst things of both drive types, not the best.
"Can be produced at a lower cost" ... rarely laughed so hard!
@@philipbrown9006 the smaller engine does not save so much cost so that to cover the electric motor, the battery and the electronics needed for them to work together. They are not better, they are worse than ice's but they are forced on us. The only hybrid I would see reasonable is an EV with a small ice engine with would extend the range and provide heat in cold weather but it seems nobody is making them. Instead of having complicated heat pumps to warm cold batteries and cold cars with energy drawn from the cold batteries it would be much better to use an ice to provide extra energy and heat but not a large ice with a small battery but a medium battery with a small ice.
Funny how only certain brands get reported on having technical issues, because the other brands don't have any problems because their EVs are perfect, right?
Yup, there are LOTS of EV fires in China, the main market, just google it. It's just barely reported.
@@hiram1923 China has banned the collection of EV fire data.
@@hiram1923 Its interesting, I made the same comment above. Its obvious that this guy receives money from the Chinese government and/or auto makers.
@@hiram1923 Hybrids
wrr
Sad to see - driving EQE and love it. Comfortable and great on long distance, like the look as well. Hope they get their act together.
Long distance you say?
Ho ho, I say...😂
@@thisisnumber0 take a Zoe and try long distances.
@@richard--s No thank you, they have a removeable bung under the rear seat to enable firefighters to get water into a burning battery. This also allows the explosive, toxic pre ignition vapour into the cabin and has exploded and blown up a garage block in Holland or Belgium.
Do they have a good range? I would need 750 miles a day sometimes.
wrg
Hope you can still afford the insurance... and make sure you read the "fine print" in the contract!
3 prong quality seems to have dropped while pricing has increased and depreciation is outrageous, especially on the ev’s .
It's not just there electric cars, a few weeks ago I saw a new petrol Mercedes pulled up on the side of the road with smoke pouring out from under the bonnet.
Since a long time.
German companies are squeezing the last bit of the myth that german manufacturing produces quality.
@@Tschacki_Quacki yes sadly I have to agree with you. Very sad to see this happening.
I'm a former Merc owner/lover. Modern Mercs aren't a patch on what they used to be.
Merc quality has been in decline ever since the W123.
I think the Electric Viking should make a video where he compares auto brand by brand and the number of burning cars, including ICE cars. I think the result would be very interesting. But I doubt it, this channel is not about transparency and reporting news based on data.
I think the problem is 'data', time consuming to gather from legitimate sources and for the same time periods. There are complexities involved about sample size, method of collection, funding sources, etc., etc.
@@PelleGIT Why compare EV fires and ICE fires? That's like comparing a hand grenade and a nuclear bomb.
10x more ice per capita goes up in fire vs ev. Exponentially more vs Tesla
@@kentyler3962 I said "per capita"
With an ICE car they tend not to take a car park out. Once an EV goes up, the fire fighters can do little to stop this thermal runaway. Resulting in a far worse situation involving road repairs too, or worse, a car park to be completely repaired. This should be taken into consideration when number crunching
Plz... Battery used in that car is neither LG nor CATL... It is Farasis... This result was announced through Korean press
Farasis Energy is an American company
We had a petrol car fire severalnyears ago. The whole subterran parking got damaged with the 1000°C blaze and is now closed since several years.
the Kings Dock carpark fire in the UK was started by a knackered Range Rover, it destroyed >1000 cars and they had to tear the whole carpark down afterwards
If fires could cause the absolute destruction of three skyscrapers in one day then EVs would never be allowed in any building anywhere. 🤔
All Lithium batteries have a serious problem with self ignition; this is compounded by shorts caused by damage to the battery pack which also catch fire and overheating fires. BYD is one of the worst; BYD has had 10 dealerships burn to the ground in China; all full of "new energy vechicles" EVs and BEVs. There is a video right here on RUclips showing BYD BEVs still on the truck being taken to the dealer catching on fire; they didn' even get to the dealership before they spontaneiously combusted. The Number 1 think BEVs need to do is move to a chemistry or true solid state that doesn't catch fire spontaneously. Until then they are flawed.
Having been in the automotive business for many years I’ve always said people who don’t know anything about cars buy German cars because they buy the hype
I have come to the conclusion that hybrids are a disastrous idea, when a battery spits it dummy out all over a plastic petrol tank it is lethal
Toyota’s sold millions of hybrids for 20+ yrs, very, very few fires…pick a more more competent car company.
This car had a Chinese battery.
Toyota and Honda hybrids are fine.
The real issue is cylindrical vs pack. Pack is not good. They catch fire. Remember the cell phones? Pack. Bolt? Pack. Almost every time, no matter the product, pack catches fire.
Mercedes EQS, Pack. Found the problem.
You can make the pack battery LFP to make it safe, but when you do, you add 20% to the weight of the battery. EQS is already heavy with a 118kWh battery. Imagine having a Mercedes EQS that weighs more than 8,000lbs!?
Back in the day, EVERY cell phone spontaneously combusted. Right, glad we have that sorted.
@@Neilhoh3 Yes they did. Thank you for understanding. Thousands of them caught fire and there was a huge recall. Question, do you have 100 cell phone batteries in your pocket? Do you subject them to constant droppage and high temperatures? If so, then you have a car battery! Did you know packs also expand and contract? Yep. That causes all kinds of problems. Not as bad as they used to be, but still a problem.
@5:43 ?? Local media took 8 hours to extinguish the fire? Why not the fire department??
Fire department took 8hours
@@hopefantasyhope2950 Of course that's what he meant, but not what he said 🙂
Love your work Viking!
but you said "local media took 8 hours to extinguish fire." If it was up to the media, they would keep the EV fire going for 8 months.😂
One giant problem for Mercedes and Audi, they turned towards focussing on the expensive cars only, because they have higher margin. This somewhat would have been OK but they increased prices tremendously across all models. Most customers don't want to get ripped off by a car company and when quality keeps dwindling, even less people will buy their cars. This includes me. My next car will be a Tesla.
hybrids are ice
Bi Half-breeds
It really depends on the hybrid vehicle.
Those which get 40 km before going to the internal engine are going to be used in gasoline mode frequently.
Those that get 80 km only use about 1 to 2 tanks of gasoline per year.
I just got a merc EQA £55k no cruise control no lane following. Unless you pay them a subscription. This lack of standard equipment will kill them .The German manufacturers just haven't learnt that brand is not that important anymore.
Fires are more likely, and prevalent, in IC cars than EVs, even "pro rata". Check your numbers.
But not so much if you allow for the age of the fleet, and the cause of the fire. Many (most?) ICE fires are caused by arson.
A friend of mine bought a 100.000€ GLC. It is in their repair shop for more then 6 months now. They gave him a cheap B class to drive around. He paid 100000, lost 30.000 in 9 months in value depreciation solely, to drive around in a cheap B class.
Nuclear blasts are very rare, must more rare than conventional blasts, but when they ocour....🙈
Two hundred cars just burned a week ago near Lisbon due to a parked Tesla that was also not charging or running. All this EV's are relatively new. Will the risk of fire increase as this EV's get older? Will we be able to insure them and park in closed parking lots? My garage is underground at my home, maybe I should park it out in the open. Is scary. I certainly did not needed a new car to get new worries.
I want a flying Delorean with a Mr. Fusion propulsion system. That is safer than an EV.
😄😃
As long as you stay below 88mph!
Since around 1995, the “quality” Mercedes slowly disappeared.
Their cars are utter junk.
💯
not true, i have EQS 580 and EQE SUV 350, it is the best quality in the world
@@MohamedAlnuaimi71 😅
I would love to hear from an insurance industry actuary on this. What is their current thinking on the prevalence of ev versus ice auto fires...
I never heard of self inflicted fires in regular cars.
@@ignatziusturret5641 they happen all the time. I saw one last year. To be fair, it's perhaps more a thing with older cars. I've seen two in the last decade.
@@Ev3ntHorizonI haven' t seen one in 3 decades. And even your 2. You have any clue about statistics?! Gosh, you are a math analphabet. 😂😂😂 Besides, we are talking of parked cars, not driving, not in an accident. You have any straight logical thinking? Or you just wanna believe in something, like a religion?!
After quick dig, Farasis Energy indeed is found & from US initially, still have base there
Quote:
Our USA team is part of the global Farasis Energy, an international automotive li-ion battery supplier founded in 2002 by Dr. Keith Kepler and Dr. Yu Wang in Silicon Valley, CA. At the time, it was simply too cost-prohibitive to manufacture li-ion batteries in the US, and so operations were moved to Ganzhou, Jiangxi, China in 2009.
this is going to hinder adoption of charging infrastructure in apartment complexes. Insurance for the properties with charging EVs will go up.
Before your electricity bill gets nothing your PV system has to go through the amortization time...which should take about 3 years.
Try about 7 to now 10 years to break even here in the USA depending upon which state you live.
They should have kept their ceramic separator developed by Evonik/Degussa that was used in the Daimler Smart car about ten years ago but they gave up on their own batteries and sold the separator tech to a company in Canada called electrovaya who now have the safest batteries and top performance of any UL approvals for lithium ion. They are being used now in heavy duty applications for forklifts, trucks and buses.
Kelley Blue Book estimates that Tesla’s US sales totaled 164,264 in Q2 2024. This is down 6.3% from a year earlier.
Tesla’s share of the EV market fell to 49.7%. U.S. electric vehicle sales in Q2 2024 totaled 330,463 (up 22.9% from Q1 2024, and up 11.3% year-over-year)
Who cares, the interesting number is the development in share of the total car market
@@casperhansen826The total share of the market for EVs is 7.6% in 2023.
and this is not growing anymore...😂
They CAN be hard to extinguish...?😂🤣
Your spin is on another level.
EV fires are typically much hotter, like 5000F vs
Hard to extinguish... what an understatement..
Bro is an EV fanboy...he calls ICE crappy...and EV fires as Hard to Extinguish 💩
@@lordofsevenrealms Dead right. Did you notice he published 16 videos in 36 hours. There has to be a production team behind him punching out all this EV marketing propaganda. And I bet the team all speak Mandarin....
@@MrPropanePete he gets kickbacks from the EV lobby...this ain't really a crime, but calling ICE crappy is unpardonable 😬
What’s the bet insurance companies will jump on this to raise premiums for underground car parks that allow electric cars to park in them.
The common cause here is NCM/NMC batteries which are also the only type used in plug-in hybrids. They age pretty poorly and should be illegal in sizes of 0.5 kWh and up like they are on airplanes.
Performance vehicle makers still want batteries that contain cobalt. Cobalt batteries are succesable to fires caused so by many ways.
It's very simple. The Chinese, being monopolists in the EV niche, have strangled foreign players in China, having squeezed all the juice out of them beforehand, forcing them to have a form of joint venture. And for their companies they provide resources below market value, and for foreign companies at an inflated cost, so they cannot compete with them in the price category. If European automakers had the same resources, they would produce them in Europe. For the same reason struggle and Japanese companies, they don't have these rare earth resources, otherwise nobody would even look at chinese cars.
It takes 2 to sign an agreement. No one forced anyone to sign an agreement at gunpoint.
@@firstprib7742 They relied on the decency of the Chinese, at least now we know their true colors.
@@BACA01 the only decency of the chinese is that they dont have the mindset of dominating the thought of others like most western oligarchs. Othet than that companies will always jockey for more profit. Tariffs are a legitimate way to protect local industries but what happened to huaweu (the house arrest on trumped up evidence) is not the way to do it.
Wow China actually has consumer protection.
@@ctuna2011 Eh? They won't allow any talk about EV fires.
If my memory serves me correctly, a big study of US accident rates suggested one EV fire for each 11 ICE car fires...
yet the total time to extinguish all ev fires vs all ice fires is still 25x higher!
kek, what was your point again?
98.8 % of the cars on the road are ICE .
Therefore there are are more ICE fires in total , but the frequency per million cars and severity of ICE fires is lower than EV fires.
@@charleswidmore5458prevention is better than cure,less fires per vehicle is less resources spent to extinguish them also the fire department equipment and training is the reason those fires aren't being put fast enough,as an example they are literally using water to extinguish battery fire anyone with basic electrical knowledge would know you don't put electric fires out with water.
Absolute fiction. That is nonsense and a lie perpetuated by interested parties so many times that it's now considered to be a fact. It isn't. You might be interested in
referring to the NHTSA data that was published earlier this year.
An ICE fire is a minor nuisance. An EV fire can destroy a city block. Green fascism won't accept it of course.
There is an engineering process known as FMEA, which helps quantify risk. You assess the Occurrence of an event, how likely you are to detect such an Event, and the severity of the event. Combined, these assess the risk each event present.
So, while an EV fire ‘might’ be a relatively low occurrence event, its relative severity is very high, and if the detection of such an event is unlikely (until it’s too late) is low then the risk from such an event coukd still be high.
I don’t know what the stats are exactly for EV fires, but for as a hypothetical example:
If 1 in 1 million ICE cars catch fire and destroy the vehicle vs
1 in 10 million EV’s catch fire which take out a parking lot of cars,
Then I’d still say the EV fire was worse.
Off he goes with the whataboutism. “There are far more fires in ICE vehicles.”
And almost all of them are electrical fires that kick off from some point in the wiring harness.
And those fires can be put out , the EV fires can’t be.
My advice on battery-powered cars... think hard! Yes, the risk is small... VERY small. But the result of that small risk actually becoming a reality is drastic..!
I was going to install solar panels until I learned that only a little shade on the panels can drastically reduce their output. Some solar panels are designed to overcome this but they are still expensive.
Relevance is zero of course, and everyone with a just a little smarts about the subject knew this 20 years ago.
but it is korea...it still doesnt excuse the disaster but...in a normal country 1-2 cars would have burned and zero people would have been injured.
-the person in charge of the garage (all apartments have older men acting as guards - essentially doing nothing but arranging recycling boxes and putting useless sticjers on cars parked in the wrong place) turned the sprinklers off because he assumed it was a false alarm (b/c nothing works right - often? usually? here in korea...i refer u to the tunnel fire a couple years ago where the tunnel fans instead of turning off, as designers had hoped, turned on to high speed so the tunnel fire was fueled with fresh O2 and rage-d!).
-then, when the guard realized the fire was real he tried to turn the sprinkler system on but by that time the wires (turns out they wired it improperly - exposed) had melted.
-also, the parking garage had a number of cars double and triple parked making it nearly impossible for the fire department to do their job properly.
-also, also, the residents were not informed in time to get out of their apartments (all 23 injured were above ground in their apartments from what the news agencies so far have said)...
The beginning of the end for German auto makers.
Nah they are the best
@@BACA01 Yes, best at imploding sales. 😆🤣
They still produce regular ones. And it looks like they will do it for a long time....😂 Trumo 2024❤
@@ignatziusturret5641 2035 Global ICE Ban: hold my beer.
This just shows that current battery technology is not suitable for cars. It's irresponsible and dangerous until new battery technology emerges.
No, most batteries are safe, but Benz said they used batteries from catl company, but in fact they used batteries from farasis company. Benz has deceived consumers and has become a company with low quality.
Damages? Destroys!
You sound safe and effective. Anthony Fauci of electric fires.
These cars including evs, hybrids, etc. should be banned from parking in underground parking lots in apartments, hotels, condos and any other place where a fire will endanger lives and homes. The danger is not worth the risk.
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Benz is now a Chinese company and cannot guarantee the same quality as before.
Farasis Energy is an American company which operates in China. Their batteries do not use the best chemical design.
Farasis was founded in california in 2022.
@@foodparadise5792 It is a Chinese-capital company and its production is also done in China. It is a clear Chinese company. Everyone knows this.
Google search brings up Farasis Energy is Chinese company with branches in Germany, West, etc.
However after digging deeper indeed Farasis is originally from USA quotes:
Our USA team is part of the global Farasis Energy, an international automotive li-ion battery supplier founded in 2002 by Dr. Keith Kepler and Dr. Yu Wang in Silicon Valley, CA. At the time, it was simply too cost-prohibitive to manufacture li-ion batteries in the US, and so operations were moved to Ganzhou, Jiangxi, China in 2009.
I’ve nothing against EVs though I am opposed to EV mandates as these are undemocratic. If we accept these next they will be telling us we can’t eat meat or fly on holiday because this will damage the planet. Yet none of you EV enthusiasts seem to concerned about these. Why is this?
No one cares.
Because it's a meaningless.
There are no EV mandates in any country except China and the mandates in our western countries are so far in the future that it is not very reasonable to freak out about them.
The main reason politics is getting involved with this is because they want to paint a picture of a world where problems are only solved because our great Führers got involved. The last thing they want is problems solving itself without their influence.
Imagine it's 1999 and politics is saying: "nobody can use VHS tapes by 2010, we have to push digitalization forward, the market can't do it on it's own, you need us"
Totally different reason, ICE basically produce GW emissions. You are aware that GW/CC are already adversely impacting humans globally, right? Latest events are the record rainfall and floods in eastern/southeastern China not being widely reported in the West. The facts and evidence that GW/CC is happening is irrefutable, mostly due to human activity. For starters look up Keeling Curve at the UCSD website.
Are you angry with the HDTV mandate 15 years ago?
@@Chainyanker007 I don't believe the evidence is irrefutable, although any argument against it is censored. CO2 is beneficial to food production which is the last thing the global elite want. My conclusion is that the "climate crisis" is a fabrication of the media and that its purpose is to destroy democracy and introduce a one world government. Even if you a right I still believe that the people should be given the facts and allowed the final say.
Hopefully the difficulty in extinguishing battery fires might push the government in the UK to mandate sprinkler systems in carparks like we should've done as soon as the dry riser was invented. Containing a BEV fire isn't harder than an ICE car fire and you don't have the risk of a running fuel fire.
The BYD showrooms that burnt down aren't a problem? Oh I forgot, they pay for the glowing reviews 🤭
This channel is not about reporting facts or fairly. Its about promoting Chinese autos to maximize profit for him.
Yeah he is a paid shill unfortunately.
Why didn't the Guardian cover this story-like every tiny little thing that happens with tesla that they spin into a negative story...🤔-its a scooby-doo mystery 😅
Maybe Mercedes advertise lots in the Guardian?
For me, it's not the fires, it's the door handles with no manual override.
what car had that ?
That wouldn't be allowed.
LFP only I think!
My Tesla is NMC. NMC is better than LFP because it has more power per kg. The real issue is cylindrical vs pack. Pack is not good. They catch fire. Remember the cell phones? Pack. Bolt? Pack. Almost every time, no matter the product, pack catches fire.
Mercedes EQS, Pack.
@@davidbeppler3032 perhaps, and yes a lot of makers go to NMC in their higher spec cars. But on this I think I'll stay super conservative... As a matter of interest do you mean "pouch" instead of pack? I think the pack is all the little batteries together regardless of the form factor.
@simon-c2y LFP batteries are (with equal capacity) heavier than NMC ones. As high-end cars provide higher range, it is not surprising they tend to install NMC
Electric cars equipped with LFP batteries catch the most fires in China. The batteries on the EQE are made in China.
Give us the numbers rather than just regurgitating what the Western MSM have been churning out such FAKE narratives, just like their money printing press😂😂
@@stevenliew2507 Farasis Energy is an American company
Mercedes should of partnered with Nio the leader in luxury EVs maybe this will wake them up.
The Electric Viking is the only source I trust when it comes to EV
Lol. Your standards are pretty low.
I like your humor !
Ev kinh just 4fun 😂
@@barygol Says the keyboard warrior on youtube lol
@@ellsworthm.toohey7657 go play in traffic!
All manufacturers should be forced to exchange Flammable for non Flammable Batteries.
😊the new red Tesla mod 3 is stunnnnnnnning 😊❤
That would be one hell of an insurance claim.
Sam, did you get a battery pack with those solar panels? That (and an EV) would finish the job!
Solar will safe me money in 13 years from now if I install it now....😂 No, thanks. 😂
10th BYD Showroom and stores catch fire in China since 2021
Battery cars are fairly new so its fire exposure is small. As it ages, I am quite sure more battery cars will start to ignite. My thoughts.
Any Mercedes that does not have an LFP EV battery is an overpriced POS, period. I am a former Mercedes Diesel owner (ML350 BlueTec), which I traded in for a 2023 Lexus ES300h HEV and I'm extremely satisfied.
4:20 this sounds so false. Diesel isn't even volatile like gasoline. Other than due to faulty wiring, a diesel car will not spontaneously self combust like an EV with a humid or slightly dented battery pack would.
Tell me why China has banned the recording of EV fires data.
Do you have a source for that? I tried searching but couldn't find any mention of such a ban.
Tell me why Israel banned DNA tests for all Israelis
@@Rabbitt-d6y They aren't recording deaths either. It's really bad. I think they are gen o siding us.
Don't buy EVs with LG batteries! I don't know what kind Mercedes uses however...
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Mercedes uses CATL batteries. Reports say this was CATL LFP battery
@@yootoobvyooerNo... We South Korean also thought that batteries supplier in that car is CATL, but it was recently revealed that the company is actually Farasis which is one of Chinese company
Following the worms. The American model is to build it with lots of problem's and then the people who buy one have to buy another one in just a couple of years (so the board room plan's tell investors) America has been doing it ever since the 70s cars & trucks while most Americans think this the way vorm vorm works around the world.
I habe been working in EV battery industey for 3 years as PM. Mercedes used cheap Chinese battery, don't know why. I have seen and hear many times, Chinese EV battery plant had series of fire DAILY, not in news. Chinese EV battery QS is very poor and multiple issues. Meanwhile ,m Samsung, LG, Panasonic EV battery manufacuring is very strict in QA, far less issue with catching fire.
EU initiates EV battery passport next year, so it is not going to be possible anymore like Mersedes equips cheap Chinese battery and says "can't reveal what battery used" anymore.
Overall, it is the majot issue in transition period but surprising that Mersedes, the luxury car maker uses such cheap, unsafe battery for their product line. I think whoever in Mersedes designed the process and the C level management should be fired. They lost the very important company credit in the single frame in S.korea. S.Korea gov is now trying to make a bill to ban EV in resident parking lots.
Hmmmm it seems a diesel plugin hybrid with a modest sized LFP battery would be a great bet for safety and minimal compromise for the user. Diesel is much safer than gasoline, obviously, and LiFePO4 batteries virtually never start a fire.
I’ve thought this for years…no one will build one. They should be very efficient on highway speeds over 50 mph and a 20 kWh battery for around town…it would be a killer combination but diesel has been villainized in U.S. even though energy density is significantly higher than gas.
@microbiologycory10 I'm building a diesel plugin hybrid 2007 Tundra. So far it's only electric but I just got an EPA compliant turbodiesel for it.
@@tannerbean3801 I’m Jell-Y…my 2010 Tundra has 185k and I’m wishing I could convert but I’m not that handy. I wanna know details…
@microbiologycory10 it uses the original axles, differentials, driveshafts and 4wd transfer case. I'm using a L110F eCVT from a Lexus LS600h. They have two large electric motors inside just like a prius (but much higher power, at least ~230hp). I adapted the transmission to the transfer case and made a mount for the front of the transmission, so the front isn't mounted to an engine right now.
I'm using the original inverter and that is controlled by the zombieverter board (openinverter project). Right now the truck moves on its own power with an EGO battery, just a few hp. I've got to get a bigger pack (LiFePO4) and adapt this 2.0L TDI engine to the front of the transmission and write code necessary to control the engine (the PCB wasn't intended to control an engine but it does have the provisions I need to control an engine as a slave/generator).
With diesel plus electric, peak power will be about 400hp (roughly the same as the LS600h was) without turning up the power of the diesel engine.
It's a budget build with a 300k mi truck with front end body damage. So far, I'm into the project about $5,000-$5,500, including the truck. Still need to buy/build the battery pack and BMS. I'm sure that'll be a few grand at least. 20-40kWh would be great.
Can you find out which battery was used in that CAR? From China, CATL?
Farasis. Not CATL. which is also made in China
@@molyholy3571 All explosive products except bombs are made in China. And of course, that includes Chinese batteries.
If only LTO batteries aren't that expensive...
"Electric cars have far less fire problems" ... but when they do, they take eight hours to be extinguished, they damage neighbor cars, they require a building evacuation. How anyone can have a clean conscience in buying an electric car and charge it inside his/her building garage?
Otoh, how anyone can have a clean conscience in buying an ICE car and contributing to greenhouse gas emissions? Sure the production of EVs does that too, but the on going operation of the EV from renewable energy nets out way better than ICE. GW/CC is a very serious problem that too many take lightly or not at all. Get informed, ignorance breeds gullibility. The negative effects of CC are already happening, globally.
@Chainyanker007 Very differnt type of responsabilities, I am sure each one of us, driving or not driving an ICE car, does contribute to greenhouse effect by many other means difficult to control. Destroying a building and eventually send people to hospital or the morgue is quite different in terms of responsability. I would never charge an EV inside a residential building just for this reason.
Maybe Mercedes should partner with BYD and learn how to build cars again!
Are you out of your mind
@@carlosamon4243hard to believe that anyone could build cars better than Americans and Europeans!
@@mymonster156 the Chinese cars are definitely worse
Everyone needs to stay calm.
Thank you.
RUN AWAAAAWAAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!
Boom reality strikes. So it took out 70 cars next to it. FFS what is it going to take. There is no such thing as thermal run away protection.
Lithium ion batteries need to be run out... Lfp has to be mandatory,
why do we still put up with nmc?
I believe I saw somewhere that the deisgn of their new EVs has been a flop and they are working to make more tradional looks for their next gens
Well that rare but buy a Tesla or A BYD or CATL
CATL batteries are used to Mercedes EVs.
@@neoncloud0110 Mercedes EQE uses LG Chem NCM811 batteries go look it up!
Thanks you for reporting this. What I find interesting that in capitalism the strong companies survive. In the automotive sectors legacy auto are now facing new challenges in the electrification of cars. New companies like, Tesla, Rivian and BYD and other car companies globally are profiting due market forces demand. Legacy like vw , Mercedes, and Ford, chevy, Toyota Are slowing down or not improving there models. There driven by sales reps and not for engineering and improvement over time to cut cost. Like I said capitalism will have winner and looser. My bet it is the legacy auto will be loosing because of old sales models, they need to evolve or there dust to time. These are just my thoughts.
Mercedes EQS EVs are awful...poorly built..... stay away at all cost
What do you recommend instead?
@@PelleGITTesla or BYD
I am the happy owner of a EQS. Done 122000 km so far. Best long range EV in my opinion. But hopefully there will be EVs with double the range shortly...
That is just simply not rue it is clear that you have never owned one in your live
@@larryc1616recommending Tesla or byd says everything about you
Nonsense!
Fires in EV's are not "Extremely rare".
They are only marginally less likely to catch fire than an ICE Car of the same age.
Yes, ICE cars are currently more likely to catch fire but that is mainly because they are on average 15 years older. (many are 20 years old or more)
Once there are millions of old EV's running around, they will start catching up with this type of failure.
Although they don't have something as volatile as petrol in them, EV's do have a lot of high voltage equipment.
With age, high voltage equipment (400V to 800V ) is know for arcing due to the decay in insulation.
That is not even to mention the increased risk of thermal runaway in old cells, due to the ever increase number of dendrites that build up in each cells.
Here's quote from Motor Trend site: 'Combustion-Powered Vehicles Are 29 Times More Likely To Catch Fire
According to MSB data, there are nearly 611,000 EVs and hybrids in Sweden as of 2022. With an average of 16 EV and hybrid fires per year, there's a 1 in 38,000 chance of fire. There are a total of roughly 4.4 million gas- and diesel-powered passenger vehicles in Sweden, with an average of 3,384 fires per year, for a 1 in 1,300 chance of fire. That means gas- and diesel-powered passenger vehicles are 29 times more likely to catch fire than EVs and hybrids. '
Note that no such data is available in the US for such vehicle fires according to MT.
@@Chainyanker007
All that sounds wonderful!
But again, it's all about age.
EV's and the PHEV platforms are on average relatively new.
As they age the failures I mentioned are inevitable.
I have worked with electrical equipment (as my job) and cars (as my hobby) for decades now and have seen these over and over.
In short 50% of ICE cars that catch on fire are due to electrical failures, such as a faulty Windscreen wiper motor or a short on the headlights due to wires with damaged insulation.
EV's have this exact same equipment, so they have the same risk when they get old.
This all runs on 12v to 24v, so imagine once all that high voltage stuff gets old.
John Cadogan (as a qualified mechanical engineer) has addressed these issues several times on his channel.
That quote from MSB states "EV's and Hybrids"
When it comes general failures (include Fire) Hybrids are literally the worst of both worlds and will have many more failures with age.
That said, I have stated many times that PHEV will be the way forward for counties like South Africa, Australia and Canada, so I'm not saying there is no future for EV's and Hybrids.
As John Cadogan also says, it's a case of being realistic and preparing the future for that.
Cheers mate
BenZ engineering not that great, engine fell out of my W series after engine mount failed. Very expensive repair.
Simple reasons why they don't sell. Very ugly bubble design, they are overpiced for old battery technology! So go back to the real Mercedes design and put LFP in it!
In the meantime water & chemicals used to extinguish battery fires goes down the drain and causes even more pollution the earth.
Jai Hind. Don't destroy car brand using dangerous batteries
This video needs a lot more actual supporting data for all these comments. Where is the data on Geely’s battery being the safest or is this just a comment made because the host took an all expenses paid trip to China by Geely? Where is the data on frequency of fires and the cost of fires per vehicle class? Etc?