Man I'll be honest, I rarely watch long youtube videos til the end but boy am I glad I did. You told me exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for the video man, I'm gonna get home and get to cutting coils. Thank you so much!!
I just got one of these in 10mm, and the first magazine I went through had failures to eject about every other round. I had already seen people talk about clipping the buffer spring, so I had already prepared myself for maybe needing to do this. Luckily, the second magazine shot flawlessly. I do believe that TNW makes a "light" 9mm buffer set up now, which I might get since I'm thinking of getting the 9mm conversion kit for adaptability purposes. Thank you for your well laid out explanation of the problem and solution.
I own four, we had this problem with all of them. We have seemed to have solved the problems of stove pipe and feed issues. Turn back screw on top 1/2 turn back to start. The bolts that join the receiver to trigger assemblies. Never put mag in with bolt back. Insert magg. Then slide bolt to charge. Adjust screw till issue stops, mark bolt use lock tight. Using this program we are now averaging 500-600 rounds with no issues. This was a frustrating process but in the end was worth it to me. Love the rifle, great fun when works. I carry an Allen key in each bag for occasion adjustment as needed. We only use 124 grain. 115 grain never seems to work.
Sorry to hear about your issues. I agree that these firearms can be very frustrating, but once you get them working, they are fun to run. My issues completely ended with the spring reduction. If I ever get another 9mm carbine, it will the Ruger. I will never purchase another TNW.
Hey man don't be discouraged. I have this same rig in 40sw and never had a FTF FTE or any other problem. I think you got a one in a million lemon especially the buffer spring. I give you props for not giving up on it!
Thanks, I appreciate that. My guess is that , with you shooting 40sw, there’s more force pushing the spring back. I’m pretty sure it’s the same spring, because they don’t include new springs with their conversion kits. It runs like a champ now.
Went through the same thing as you did. I emailed tnw and asked for a new ejector and extractor. Once those were swapped out it ran fine but like you it sat in the safe for a year while i built a few ars. I use the same spring for 9mm, 40sw and 10mm. With the 10mm i can feel the buffer system bottom out, while the 40sw and 9mm feels roughly the same. When it was fte every other round this was my least liked rifle but once it ran reliably it quickly became one of my favourites. Glad your rifle is working now, enjoy!
Now that it runs, its definitely fun to shoot. I don’t think I would bet my life on it. Recreational use only. One thing I can say, TNW customer service is pretty decent. After contacting them, I feel like they tried to the right thing.
Mine was having the stovepipe problem pretty much every round. I finally figured it out about 20 minutes ago. Where they're set up to eject from the left or right you have to move the ejector pin in one of the two slots to direct it. Anyhow the factory-installed a ejector pin in both slots so it had to ejector pins in it one on the left and one on the right it was causing the brass to kick straight up into the frame instead of out to the right or left so I took the ejector pin out of the right side and just put two mags through it without the first malfunction. The ejector pin can only be on one side or the other you can't have both of them there that was the fix for mine I put about 130 rounds through it and every single one stove-piped. As soon as I figure it out what the problem was I drove the two roll pins out enough to pull the one on the right side out the ejector pin drove the roll pins out and put 20 rounds through it without the first malfunction so I'm guessing that was the fixed I'm going to do some further shooting over the next few days and verify that but initially I'm guessing it's fixed
I got one of these recently and ironically found it shot federal really well but the PMC 115 grain I have found has a lot of jams. I’m going to run it as is for a while but I found this video super insightful thank you very much and God bless!
Just bought one about a week ago in 9mm. Finally got to get it to the range today with a shot ton of stress on my mind about it thinking it was going to have a ton of issues. Only put 100 rounds through it and not one issue. Fingers crossed that it keeps running smoothly.
I had the same problem with my 9mm, Spring was too much tension, heated it up on the burner of my kitchen stove for 20 minutes,dropped it in cold water and compressed it for 10 minutes. The heat took some of the temper out of the spring, three years later, still shooting great, no failure to feed or eject. Good luck 😉
Awesome job getting that issue resolved. I just got one of these in .45 acp. Hopefully won't have this issue but if I do, have to say I'm glad you posted this review.
Looks like they started producing these “caliber specific” now instead of having multi caliber internal parts. So, if you bought a newer version, you might not have the problems that I did. Good luck.
I'm planning on getting one of these in the next few months. However, I'm intending on buying the version chambered for 45. I'm hoping I won't experience the same issues. Also, I don't trust Walmart ammo. It sucks, but I drive 30 minutes to bass pro/outdoor world to get my ammo. I do get their "store brand" labeled herter's. But, it's actually made by Winchester for cabelas/outdoor world.
thank you for the video. I bought a 45 ACP model when they first came out. I noticed certain loads will stove pipe also. I have done zero modification, and have found the over the counter ammo it likes now.It does not like hollow points or blunt nose ball.Here are my issues that I have fixed and highly recommend. First another scope, the AIM died. Second: the barrel nut loosens so I drilled and tapped a 6x32 hex threaded stud that jams it so it doesn't loosen. And I bought a handle that has a storage compartment to hold all hex wrenches. Also the two studs that hold the upper and lower together should have no play, and I did minimum four turns on buffer tube. this fixed the stove pipe. Three: The biggest problem. The upper rail came loose and wallowed the holes for the two studs. I have it fixed now by drilling and tapping two man head hex bolts 8X32 at either end. I highly recommend before the upper rail does this. As of now it runs perfect and I have a Osprey 3x9x42 lighted cross hairs which acts like a red dot and 100 yard scope. I also have a laser for close up set at 25 yards.
Good video sir. Useful, fair, interesting. I'm thinking about buying one of these (if I can find one) and I was thinking 'no way' until I got to the end. Thanks.
Just bought and shot the TNW ASP, set up for 9mm. Fired Freedom Munitions 124 gr. Round Nose FMJ ammo (new, not reloads) Had two stove pipes within the first 7 shots and 2 failed to feed within the next 7 rounds fired. This was out of the TNW factory Glock-style 31 round mag. Yes, I inserted and seated the mag with the bolt closed. Then the rest of the mag fired flawlessly. Next I inserted my Glock brand 31 round mag with the same ammo and it ripped out that mag no issues. The bolt is excessively hard to rack for a 9mm Tactical Pistol. Then I recalled how difficult it is to load new Glock magazines due to the strong springs (the 31 round one I used here was not new). Glock recommends storing the mags fully loaded to break-in the springs. So I am now storing my ASP with the bolt locked back to weaken the spring, as would firing it, to break it in. If it doesn't work I will let you know.
I'm 4 weeks in now with my new 2023 TNW Aero Survival rifle in 9mm and so far my rifle has flawlessly digested everything I've fed it from light 110gr. handloads to 124 gr. Israeli Di Cut HP to Fiocchi 130gr. RN FMJ to 147gr. HP Sub Sonic. I've read and watched numerous videos about feeding problems with these neat little rifles but so far I haven't had any problems whatsoever. The only thing I've done to it is change the ejection from Right to Left.
I have no doubt that the early versions like mine had issues. Their design has changed drastically over the years. I’ve heard good things about the updated versions. This rifle was a hard lesson learned, not to purchase firearms that are not time tested.
@@ajcj1970 I blindly bought 2 of these (one in 9mm and one in 10mm) I beat both of them like they owe me money ,even run my 10mm sometimes in competition as a goof. I have had zero issues with either gun. Sorry you had issues with this and thank you for your R&D on it.
I bought mine (multi caliber, 9, 10, 45) in July 2017, and it came with two buffers, one for the 9 and one for hotter rounds. Works good for me, and I use the stouter buffer for 9mm. My only issue is using the right mags or I'll get some FTF's. My ASR seems to like Glock mags but not Magpul. Biggest hassle is it is very hard to switch the ejector for left eject (so I can hang a brass catcher). TNW sent me a bunch of ejector pins and springs for free though.
I think they introduced this firearm without enough R&D. I believe they learned along the way, with warranty returns and what not. Glad to hear that your experience was better then mine. There’s just so many better options that have become available, can’t imagine that they are still selling well.
Doing what? He didn't even contact them or try to get it fixed. Their customer service is amazing. If he would have sent it in after the first time he shot it he would have had it back in 2 weeks running perfectly.
@@charlesdean640 according to another review another guy did. He sent it back to tnw and 5 weeks later when they sent it back to him and still had the same issues.
YOu did the right things! Now that is running well you should not have any issues running hotter ammo as long as you do not go to something like a 80gr P+ 2000fps but if you stay in the 115-147 you should be Good to GO!
Yeap the heavy buffer/recoil springs cause so many problems that most people just don't understand and will not take the time to work out the problem for themselves.
I have one of the first runs in .45. Struggled with FTE, Did all the part swapping like you. Although, I didnt clip the recoil spring. To resolve the FTE, I added a stronger extractor spring (clipped down from a different spring kit). Now it slings the spent cases. Seems to be all good now. Even with the FTE it was my favorite one to casually shoot. But now! I dont wanna put it down, so easy to keep on target and shoot quickly.
@@ltwjr6oh boy, anything longer than a week ago I have a hard time remembering. Of the dozens of springs laying around my guess is a trimmd trig spring from an old marlin twenty too. Was a beast of a spring. I have no specs on it since its gotta be over 60 years old.
Very good to know! I've been looking at this gun for 10mm and plan to buy a kit to covert it to 9mm for practice or for when I want it shooting 9mm. Ill make sure to buy extra recoil springs and tune it to the ammo I plan to use 👍😁
At some point they redesigned the internals of this firearm to be caliber specific. I purchased mine early on in production and think that they tried to correct these issues. Yours might function properly without alteration. I’ve seen comments ranging from “worse gun I’ve ever owned” to “mine runs 100%”. Good luck.
I've had mine since 2015 and never had any issues. Ran bulk steel case Wolf and Tula 115gr, Hush 165gr suppressed and different brands of brass at 124gr and 147gr. Odd you had that many different components too. The only time I had issues was with the handguard adapter walking loose, but that was my fault on torquing the set screws down.
Over the years I’ve heard stories ranging from “mine is perfect “ to “ sold it right away because of so many problems”. Glad to hear you got one of the good ones. Wish I did.
@@ajcj1970 I did do what you did, with polishing feed ramp and bolt and hammer/sear, just because I wanted it smooth, but not from problems. Maybe that prevented any malfunctions. This rifle was pretty gritty and the trigger is spongy/mushy. Still a good hole puncher with no stoppages. Hope you get it smoothed out
My carbine runs 100% now. I haven’t had any issues since “tuning” the buffer spring. It’s a fun gun to run now. Just wish it didn’t take so much to get to that point.
What about a lighter gauge spring instead of cutting? I'm picking mine up in 45acp as well as the 10mm conversion, haven't found videos on those, its all 9mm. Weak factory loads? I wonder how well my reloads of 240gr .45 boolits charged with 4.9gr of titegroup will fair against that spring tomorrow!
When I was figuring this situation out, TNW only sold the multi caliber setups. Now that they are selling caliber specific models, I most likely would try a spring specifically made for 9mm but that wasn’t an option when I made this video. As far as the rounds I put through mine, I ran a lot of different types of loads through it. 115 grain, 115 +P, 124 grain, 124 +P, 147 grain, 147 +P, some bonded some not. I do agree that reloading your own ammo would give you the opportunity to “fine tune” a load that runs good through your firearm but I was looking to be able to run anything through mine, even the cheapest stuff.
A.J. C. Was pretty good customer service. I had bought a first gen and they admitted to having issues with them so they took it back. Ended up with a newer buttstock and bufferspring when I got it back and it runs any type of ammo no issues. Even gave me another 33rd mag. Love shooting this carbine.
I am looking at getting this in 45acp because there are very few 45acp carbines that take Glock magazines out there, and I am looking at either this or the JR carbine. I’m glad you added a quad rail that looks to be full length, because I want to put flip up sights regardless if I have any optic on there, back ups for me are a must. Did it take a lot to add that rail or was it simple install? Do you think the springs on these would have better reliability for the 45acp round? I know they also make a 10mm and I’ve seen that they are convertible between the two calibers. I have a Glock 41 to pair it with. I know there is the Kriss but that is almost twice the cost.
The rail was fairly easy to install. TNW Firearms sells an “adapter” to accomplish this. They also have a video on RUclips that demonstrates the installation. While responding to this comment I googled TNW Firearms for reference, I see that they are no longer offering the multi caliber lowers with their rifles, looks like you can order them caliber specific. Maybe they have learned their lesson (too bad it was at the cost of the consumer). So maybe you’ll have better luck with your purchase.
I have the 9 mm Aero and had a couple rounds do the same thing, but after 50 rounds it has gotten much better, I’ll go plunking now with 50-100 rounds with out a hiccup. I love the lower report vs my AR . My son has a pistol version AR its super loud. Also love shooting that Walmart ammunition. Seems like you got yours fixed , I say. Take it plunking at 10 cents a round your opinion can only improve .
I’ve heard a few stories like yours. I wish mine ran right out of the box. Now that I got it figured out, it is a blast to use. Thanks for the comment.
The one I have is the TNW ar15 shroud adapter for the ASR. Total cost including delivery was $84.40 (I believe it’s a bit cheaper when it’s on back-order). It connects directly to the barrel nut with some set screws and red loctite. They do include a new barrel nut, Incase you want to return it to the original setup. I’m not aware of any other manufacturers producing a similar product.
The newer versions are caliber specific. I have seen individuals that had my model and had no issues, guess it’s just the luck of the draw. After figuring out my problem mine runs great, just took a boat load of time and energy. Glad to hear yours is good to go. Nowadays, I think the Ruger PC9 is a better option.
Thanks for the video. Is your fix still working perfectly? I have a 2018 version that has similar FTE issues. Although note nearly as frequent as the issues you were having. I'm going to try what you did. Fingers crossed.
I’ve got 200 rounds through it after the modification with zero issues. I would suggest to try to return to factory first, for me, they payed shipping so it was free. Doing this modification was a “last ditch” effort for me. If your problem persists and you decide to do this mod, run the idea past a gunsmith or two and see what kind of reactions you get (as I did). Other suggestions, if you do this mod, would be to have a back up buffer spring, keep the uncut factory end of the spring on the buffer and the cut end on the little neoprene buffer stop in the rear of the tube. Thanks for the comment. Let me know how you make out.
I got a question, so when I cut off the coils, do I need to stretch the spring back out to its original length. As in measure the spring, cut however much off, and stretch to the original measurement before I cut it? Thanks in advance and great video by the way!!
No, I did not stretch the spring, I shortened it. I made sure to put the factory uncut end against the buffer and put the cut end against the Polymer factory disc at the rear of the buffer tube. I also purchased a new recoil spring Incase I screwed up. I would also suggest that if you decide to modify your spring like I did, only go a half coil at a time then check function. It took a little work, taking off the buffer tube a bunch of times, but it was worth it. I would like to also note that I did this modification after a long discussion with my gunsmith. He was not willing to do this modification due to legalities. I did this modification out of frustration and after a lot of research. You might want to talk to your gunsmith to get another aspect on the situation. That being said, I wish someone had a video like this when I was trying to figure out why this firearm wouldn’t function. Sorry, that was long. Hope it helps. Good luck.
I never actually measured the length of the spring. I just kept cutting coils till it functioned. Next time I break it down I’ll get that measurement and post it.
My firearm was one of the early models with the multi caliber lower setup. TNW ended up making caliber specif setups (I'm guessing because of feed back like mine). My lower setup was designed for 9/40/357. Thier replacement parts arn't too expensive so trying to tune the recoil spring wouldn't cost alot. I'd have a spare on hand and compare the old one to the new one. Go slow, half coil at a time and make sure the charging handle isn't bottoming out in its slot. You can see all I went through before I decided to go this route. Altering a firearm in this fashion is always done at your own risk.
@@marks.4776 man. Tbh If I did it over again I’d save alittle more and order a cmmg. The only thing I been able to do to get mine to not stove pipe is cut the spring. Been a real $800 headache. I only bought it cause it was the only 45 ar pistol I found it stock at the time. Wish I would have wait till I had more money and gone another route. If you get lucky and get one that runs. It shoots good, I got mine sighted in around 50yds hitting about the size of a fist with some low power 45. 230gr about 830fps.
@@ajcj1970 sorry to bother. Did you ever try a 9oz or more buffer tube before you cut the spring. And by cutting the spring would that increase or decrease the strength of the spring? I cut mine and still have a few malfunctions. It be honest I don’t feel comfortable cutting it any lower. Not to mention the inconsistency of using +p ammo.
Bought mine in early/mid 2019 new and I’ve put about 500 rounds 124 grain blazer and I haven’t had a single fail I have tried to shoot as fast as possible and vice versa and still not one fail so idk but in my opinion it looks like they fixed most of the problems or the one I got isn’t a rotten one of the bunch
For sure. I just purchased one recently and was stressing bad because all the bad reviews I saw about the gun. I finally got it to the range today and no issues so hopefully they fixed it and it will keep running great.
From what I've seen of the Aero and jams, it almost seems as if the bolt spring is too much for reliable cycling of 9mm. As people I'd heard with larger rounds didn't have the feed problems the 9mm boys were talking about. Granted this is just speculation but worth the notion. EDIT: Well I posted before seeing the end but I guess I was correct, well at least one of the springs that is. lol
The handguard is a 10” XTS free float handguard purchased from Cheaper Then Dirt. It has a mud shield installed on the front. The handguard is attached to the rifle with a AR15 shroud adapter for ASR, purchased from TNW. Hope that helps.
I never understand why people use dogshit foreign ammo and then complain their gun doesn't run smoothly. CCi ammo is american made and still cheap, I've never had a single failure to feed out of American ammo with this gun. Not one.
Interesting review.. I don't know why, so do not ask as it doesn't make sense to me, BUT I saw a few other reviews where they were having issues as well, and their issues were cause whenever they loaded a magazine with the breech open, which I noticed you did every time as well.. Once they started inserting the magazine with the bolt forward, shazam, it worked flawlessly. HICKOK45 was one such reviewer.
I’ve also seen those videos (I feel like I’ve seen ALL the videos). The bolt being open or closed while inserting a magazine didn’t make a difference for me. I’ve seen reviews ranging from absolutely zero issues to nightmares like mine. I will say, that after troubleshooting the issue, it is a very enjoyable firearm to run. I just wish reaching that point wouldn’t have been so darn frustrating. As of right now (late 2019), the Ruger 9mm carbine is a far better option.
man what a terrible story aero rifles are trash, I have one and have yet to shoot it and Its like I already know its going to be trash from all the reliability videos.
One of the reasons I’m posting videos like this is to help someone going through the same situation as I am. Hopefully the next person having this problem doesn’t have to go through as many steps as I did to get to a resolution. Now that this carbine is functioning, it’s actually quite enjoyable to run. I just wish it didn’t take such a long process to get there. I heard plenty of stories about these functioning 100% out of the box, so don’t give up on yours. With the combination of the manufacturer having fair customer service and people posting info on these carbines more and more everyday, your experience may be very different then mine. Thanks for the comment and good luck.
@@ajcj1970 ordered a buffer spring to play with. Old buffer spring has 17 coils, new buffer spring had 15 coils. Installed new buffer spring and still had jams and stove piping. Cut one full coil off each time until I got down to ten coils. Now it shoots like a champ with no jams or stove piping.
Man I'll be honest, I rarely watch long youtube videos til the end but boy am I glad I did. You told me exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for the video man, I'm gonna get home and get to cutting coils. Thank you so much!!
I just got one of these in 10mm, and the first magazine I went through had failures to eject about every other round. I had already seen people talk about clipping the buffer spring, so I had already prepared myself for maybe needing to do this. Luckily, the second magazine shot flawlessly. I do believe that TNW makes a "light" 9mm buffer set up now, which I might get since I'm thinking of getting the 9mm conversion kit for adaptability purposes. Thank you for your well laid out explanation of the problem and solution.
I own four, we had this problem with all of them. We have seemed to have solved the problems of stove pipe and feed issues. Turn back screw on top 1/2 turn back to start. The bolts that join the receiver to trigger assemblies. Never put mag in with bolt back. Insert magg. Then slide bolt to charge. Adjust screw till issue stops, mark bolt use lock tight. Using this program we are now averaging 500-600 rounds with no issues. This was a frustrating process but in the end was worth it to me. Love the rifle, great fun when works. I carry an Allen key in each bag for occasion adjustment as needed. We only use 124 grain. 115 grain never seems to work.
Sorry to hear about your issues. I agree that these firearms can be very frustrating, but once you get them working, they are fun to run. My issues completely ended with the spring reduction. If I ever get another 9mm carbine, it will the Ruger. I will never purchase another TNW.
Hey man don't be discouraged. I have this same rig in 40sw and never had a FTF FTE or any other problem. I think you got a one in a million lemon especially the buffer spring. I give you props for not giving up on it!
Thanks, I appreciate that. My guess is that , with you shooting 40sw, there’s more force pushing the spring back. I’m pretty sure it’s the same spring, because they don’t include new springs with their conversion kits. It runs like a champ now.
Went through the same thing as you did. I emailed tnw and asked for a new ejector and extractor. Once those were swapped out it ran fine but like you it sat in the safe for a year while i built a few ars. I use the same spring for 9mm, 40sw and 10mm. With the 10mm i can feel the buffer system bottom out, while the 40sw and 9mm feels roughly the same. When it was fte every other round this was my least liked rifle but once it ran reliably it quickly became one of my favourites. Glad your rifle is working now, enjoy!
Now that it runs, its definitely fun to shoot. I don’t think I would bet my life on it. Recreational use only. One thing I can say, TNW customer service is pretty decent. After contacting them, I feel like they tried to the right thing.
Mine was having the stovepipe problem pretty much every round. I finally figured it out about 20 minutes ago. Where they're set up to eject from the left or right you have to move the ejector pin in one of the two slots to direct it. Anyhow the factory-installed a ejector pin in both slots so it had to ejector pins in it one on the left and one on the right it was causing the brass to kick straight up into the frame instead of out to the right or left so I took the ejector pin out of the right side and just put two mags through it without the first malfunction. The ejector pin can only be on one side or the other you can't have both of them there that was the fix for mine I put about 130 rounds through it and every single one stove-piped. As soon as I figure it out what the problem was I drove the two roll pins out enough to pull the one on the right side out the ejector pin drove the roll pins out and put 20 rounds through it without the first malfunction so I'm guessing that was the fixed I'm going to do some further shooting over the next few days and verify that but initially I'm guessing it's fixed
I got one of these recently and ironically found it shot federal really well but the PMC 115 grain I have found has a lot of jams. I’m going to run it as is for a while but I found this video super insightful thank you very much and God bless!
Just bought one about a week ago in 9mm. Finally got to get it to the range today with a shot ton of stress on my mind about it thinking it was going to have a ton of issues. Only put 100 rounds through it and not one issue. Fingers crossed that it keeps running smoothly.
Sounds like you got a good one.
Having same issue. Thanks for the time and effort for this video you did. Thank you.
Glad it helped
I had the same problem with my 9mm, Spring was too much tension, heated it up on the burner of my kitchen stove for 20 minutes,dropped it in cold water and compressed it for 10 minutes. The heat took some of the temper out of the spring, three years later, still shooting great, no failure to feed or eject. Good luck 😉
Damn, that is awesome! Good Thinking.
Awesome job getting that issue resolved. I just got one of these in .45 acp. Hopefully won't have this issue but if I do, have to say I'm glad you posted this review.
Looks like they started producing these “caliber specific” now instead of having multi caliber internal parts. So, if you bought a newer version, you might not have the problems that I did. Good luck.
I'm planning on getting one of these in the next few months. However, I'm intending on buying the version chambered for 45. I'm hoping I won't experience the same issues. Also, I don't trust Walmart ammo. It sucks, but I drive 30 minutes to bass pro/outdoor world to get my ammo. I do get their "store brand" labeled herter's. But, it's actually made by Winchester for cabelas/outdoor world.
thank you for the video. I bought a 45 ACP model when they first came out. I noticed certain loads will stove pipe also. I have done zero modification, and have found the over the counter ammo it likes now.It does not like hollow points or blunt nose ball.Here are my issues that I have fixed and highly recommend. First another scope, the AIM died. Second: the barrel nut loosens so I drilled and tapped a 6x32 hex threaded stud that jams it so it doesn't loosen. And I bought a handle that has a storage compartment to hold all hex wrenches. Also the two studs that hold the upper and lower together should have no play, and I did minimum four turns on buffer tube. this fixed the stove pipe. Three: The biggest problem. The upper rail came loose and wallowed the holes for the two studs. I have it fixed now by drilling and tapping two man head hex bolts 8X32 at either end. I highly recommend before the upper rail does this. As of now it runs perfect and I have a Osprey 3x9x42 lighted cross hairs which acts like a red dot and 100 yard scope. I also have a laser for close up set at 25 yards.
That’s the first I’ve heard about the top rail coming loose. Thanks for sharing your experience. Glad to hear you got it all worked out.
Good video sir. Useful, fair, interesting. I'm thinking about buying one of these (if I can find one) and I was thinking 'no way' until I got to the end. Thanks.
They are producing their carbines caliber specific now. You might not have the issues that I had. Good luck.
Congratulations on your persistence sir...
Compare spring tension to a hi point in same cal . Blow back is tricky .
Probably the best looking tnw asr I've seen...
Just bought and shot the TNW ASP, set up for 9mm. Fired Freedom Munitions 124 gr. Round Nose FMJ ammo (new, not reloads) Had two stove pipes within the first 7 shots and 2 failed to feed within the next 7 rounds fired. This was out of the TNW factory Glock-style 31 round mag. Yes, I inserted and seated the mag with the bolt closed. Then the rest of the mag fired flawlessly. Next I inserted my Glock brand 31 round mag with the same ammo and it ripped out that mag no issues. The bolt is excessively hard to rack for a 9mm Tactical Pistol. Then I recalled how difficult it is to load new Glock magazines due to the strong springs (the 31 round one I used here was not new). Glock recommends storing the mags fully loaded to break-in the springs. So I am now storing my ASP with the bolt locked back to weaken the spring, as would firing it, to break it in. If it doesn't work I will let you know.
I'm 4 weeks in now with my new 2023 TNW Aero Survival rifle in 9mm and so far my rifle has flawlessly digested everything I've fed it from light 110gr. handloads to 124 gr. Israeli Di Cut HP to Fiocchi 130gr. RN FMJ to 147gr. HP Sub Sonic. I've read and watched numerous videos about feeding problems with these neat little rifles but so far I haven't had any problems whatsoever. The only thing I've done to it is change the ejection from Right to Left.
I have no doubt that the early versions like mine had issues. Their design has changed drastically over the years. I’ve heard good things about the updated versions. This rifle was a hard lesson learned, not to purchase firearms that are not time tested.
@@ajcj1970 I blindly bought 2 of these (one in 9mm and one in 10mm) I beat both of them like they owe me money ,even run my 10mm sometimes in competition as a goof. I have had zero issues with either gun. Sorry you had issues with this and thank you for your R&D on it.
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I bought mine (multi caliber, 9, 10, 45) in July 2017, and it came with two buffers, one for the 9 and one for hotter rounds. Works good for me, and I use the stouter buffer for 9mm. My only issue is using the right mags or I'll get some FTF's. My ASR seems to like Glock mags but not Magpul.
Biggest hassle is it is very hard to switch the ejector for left eject (so I can hang a brass catcher). TNW sent me a bunch of ejector pins and springs for free though.
I think they introduced this firearm without enough R&D. I believe they learned along the way, with warranty returns and what not. Glad to hear that your experience was better then mine. There’s just so many better options that have become available, can’t imagine that they are still selling well.
Amazing - thank you so much - cant believe TNW is doing this to the customers
Doing what? He didn't even contact them or try to get it fixed. Their customer service is amazing. If he would have sent it in after the first time he shot it he would have had it back in 2 weeks running perfectly.
@@charlesdean640 well I ended up ordering one...and I'm literally praying that it runs well
@@charlesdean640 according to another review another guy did. He sent it back to tnw and 5 weeks later when they sent it back to him and still had the same issues.
@@charlesdean640 and btw you obviously didn’t watch the video. Because he says he sent it back to TNW to fix and NOTHING!
YOu did the right things! Now that is running well you should not have any issues running hotter ammo as long as you do not go to something like a 80gr P+ 2000fps but if you stay in the 115-147 you should be Good to GO!
Since modifying this rifle, I’ve had zero issues with it. Just wish it didn’t take so much effort to get to this point.
Yeap the heavy buffer/recoil springs cause so many problems that most people just don't understand and will not take the time to work out the problem for themselves.
Thank you for sharing your research
I bought the pistol in 357 sig and it runs flawlessly.
I have one of the first runs in .45. Struggled with FTE, Did all the part swapping like you. Although, I didnt clip the recoil spring.
To resolve the FTE, I added a stronger extractor spring (clipped down from a different spring kit). Now it slings the spent cases. Seems to be all good now.
Even with the FTE it was my favorite one to casually shoot. But now! I dont wanna put it down, so easy to keep on target and shoot quickly.
What spring did you to replace the extractor spring?
@@ltwjr6oh boy, anything longer than a week ago I have a hard time remembering. Of the dozens of springs laying around my guess is a trimmd trig spring from an old marlin twenty too. Was a beast of a spring. I have no specs on it since its gotta be over 60 years old.
@@canonfodder808 thank you for the reply
Thanks for the info! Seems like an honest review.
Great video. Sorry about your experience, there is no better r&d than real world field testing. I hope it's still running good.
Thanks. Since I reworked the buffer spring it runs great. Just wish it wasn’t such a long process.
Beautiful gun!
Very good to know! I've been looking at this gun for 10mm and plan to buy a kit to covert it to 9mm for practice or for when I want it shooting 9mm.
Ill make sure to buy extra recoil springs and tune it to the ammo I plan to use 👍😁
At some point they redesigned the internals of this firearm to be caliber specific. I purchased mine early on in production and think that they tried to correct these issues. Yours might function properly without alteration. I’ve seen comments ranging from “worse gun I’ve ever owned” to “mine runs 100%”. Good luck.
I've had mine since 2015 and never had any issues. Ran bulk steel case Wolf and Tula 115gr, Hush 165gr suppressed and different brands of brass at 124gr and 147gr. Odd you had that many different components too. The only time I had issues was with the handguard adapter walking loose, but that was my fault on torquing the set screws down.
Over the years I’ve heard stories ranging from “mine is perfect “ to “ sold it right away because of so many problems”. Glad to hear you got one of the good ones. Wish I did.
@@ajcj1970 I did do what you did, with polishing feed ramp and bolt and hammer/sear, just because I wanted it smooth, but not from problems. Maybe that prevented any malfunctions. This rifle was pretty gritty and the trigger is spongy/mushy. Still a good hole puncher with no stoppages. Hope you get it smoothed out
My carbine runs 100% now. I haven’t had any issues since “tuning” the buffer spring. It’s a fun gun to run now. Just wish it didn’t take so much to get to that point.
What about a lighter gauge spring instead of cutting? I'm picking mine up in 45acp as well as the 10mm conversion, haven't found videos on those, its all 9mm. Weak factory loads? I wonder how well my reloads of 240gr .45 boolits charged with 4.9gr of titegroup will fair against that spring tomorrow!
When I was figuring this situation out, TNW only sold the multi caliber setups. Now that they are selling caliber specific models, I most likely would try a spring specifically made for 9mm but that wasn’t an option when I made this video. As far as the rounds I put through mine, I ran a lot of different types of loads through it. 115 grain, 115 +P, 124 grain, 124 +P, 147 grain, 147 +P, some bonded some not. I do agree that reloading your own ammo would give you the opportunity to “fine tune” a load that runs good through your firearm but I was looking to be able to run anything through mine, even the cheapest stuff.
I have one of these. Bought used. Sent back to tnw and they fixed it free of charge.
Nice. I wish my situation would have been that simple. Glad to hear yours is running good.
A.J. C. Was pretty good customer service. I had bought a first gen and they admitted to having issues with them so they took it back. Ended up with a newer buttstock and bufferspring when I got it back and it runs any type of ammo no issues. Even gave me another 33rd mag. Love shooting this carbine.
Great video!
Would you list your accessories? Like which pistol grip you have, bipod, flip up sites.
Houge over molded grip, Magpul Mbus polymer back up sights, Trinity butt stock, UTG “basic” bipod, Magpul angled forward grip,a Bushnell TRS25 red dot and some “no name” ladder rail covers.
AJC I appreciate it. My build should be done in a week or so. I’m excited
I see that now TNW are selling “caliber specific” carbines now. I doubt you you’ll have the issues that I did. Hope it all works out. Good luck.
I am looking at getting this in 45acp because there are very few 45acp carbines that take Glock magazines out there, and I am looking at either this or the JR carbine. I’m glad you added a quad rail that looks to be full length, because I want to put flip up sights regardless if I have any optic on there, back ups for me are a must. Did it take a lot to add that rail or was it simple install?
Do you think the springs on these would have better reliability for the 45acp round? I know they also make a 10mm and I’ve seen that they are convertible between the two calibers. I have a Glock 41 to pair it with.
I know there is the Kriss but that is almost twice the cost.
The rail was fairly easy to install. TNW Firearms sells an “adapter” to accomplish this. They also have a video on RUclips that demonstrates the installation. While responding to this comment I googled TNW Firearms for reference, I see that they are no longer offering the multi caliber lowers with their rifles, looks like you can order them caliber specific. Maybe they have learned their lesson (too bad it was at the cost of the consumer). So maybe you’ll have better luck with your purchase.
I have the 9 mm Aero and had a couple rounds do the same thing, but after 50 rounds it has gotten much better, I’ll go plunking now with 50-100 rounds with out a hiccup. I love the lower report vs my AR . My son has a pistol version AR its super loud. Also love shooting that Walmart ammunition. Seems like you got yours fixed , I say. Take it plunking at 10 cents a round your opinion can only improve .
I’ve heard a few stories like yours. I wish mine ran right out of the box. Now that I got it figured out, it is a blast to use. Thanks for the comment.
Hey great video
But what handguard adapter are you using TNW makes one but its 70 80 $ is there a cheaper option? Thanks
The one I have is the TNW ar15 shroud adapter for the ASR. Total cost including delivery was $84.40 (I believe it’s a bit cheaper when it’s on back-order). It connects directly to the barrel nut with some set screws and red loctite. They do include a new barrel nut, Incase you want to return it to the original setup. I’m not aware of any other manufacturers producing a similar product.
@@ajcj1970 ok thanks man
@@ajcj1970 what handgaurd did you buy to put on the shroud adapter from TNW
It is a XTS AR-15 mid-length 8.5” free float handguard.
Thousands of rounds through mine all kinds no issues love this gun.
The newer versions are caliber specific. I have seen individuals that had my model and had no issues, guess it’s just the luck of the draw. After figuring out my problem mine runs great, just took a boat load of time and energy. Glad to hear yours is good to go. Nowadays, I think the Ruger PC9 is a better option.
@@ajcj1970 Mines old version.
@@ajcj1970 interesting. So they come with caliber specific springs now?
TNW rifles and pistols are now caliber specific and not multi caliber like the original versions.
Thanks for the video. Is your fix still working perfectly? I have a 2018 version that has similar FTE issues. Although note nearly as frequent as the issues you were having. I'm going to try what you did. Fingers crossed.
I’ve got 200 rounds through it after the modification with zero issues. I would suggest to try to return to factory first, for me, they payed shipping so it was free. Doing this modification was a “last ditch” effort for me. If your problem persists and you decide to do this mod, run the idea past a gunsmith or two and see what kind of reactions you get (as I did). Other suggestions, if you do this mod, would be to have a back up buffer spring, keep the uncut factory end of the spring on the buffer and the cut end on the little neoprene buffer stop in the rear of the tube. Thanks for the comment. Let me know how you make out.
I got a question, so when I cut off the coils, do I need to stretch the spring back out to its original length. As in measure the spring, cut however much off, and stretch to the original measurement before I cut it? Thanks in advance and great video by the way!!
No, I did not stretch the spring, I shortened it. I made sure to put the factory uncut end against the buffer and put the cut end against the Polymer factory disc at the rear of the buffer tube. I also purchased a new recoil spring Incase I screwed up. I would also suggest that if you decide to modify your spring like I did, only go a half coil at a time then check function. It took a little work, taking off the buffer tube a bunch of times, but it was worth it. I would like to also note that I did this modification after a long discussion with my gunsmith. He was not willing to do this modification due to legalities. I did this modification out of frustration and after a lot of research. You might want to talk to your gunsmith to get another aspect on the situation. That being said, I wish someone had a video like this when I was trying to figure out why this firearm wouldn’t function. Sorry, that was long. Hope it helps. Good luck.
@@ajcj1970 no apologies. Your video was a "good"type of long. I really appreciate all of your help man. Thanks again and happy shooting!!
@@ajcj1970 so what was the end length of the spring?
I never actually measured the length of the spring. I just kept cutting coils till it functioned. Next time I break it down I’ll get that measurement and post it.
@@ajcj1970 thank you sir, I appreciate ya
I own the 45acp version. With it being a more powerful round than 9mm could the universal spring still cause this problem?
My firearm was one of the early models with the multi caliber lower setup. TNW ended up making caliber specif setups (I'm guessing because of feed back like mine). My lower setup was designed for 9/40/357. Thier replacement parts arn't too expensive so trying to tune the recoil spring wouldn't cost alot. I'd have a spare on hand and compare the old one to the new one. Go slow, half coil at a time and make sure the charging handle isn't bottoming out in its slot. You can see all I went through before I decided to go this route. Altering a firearm in this fashion is always done at your own risk.
Nova Wolf9 how do you like your 45acp? I am looking at picking one of these up in 45acp in the next couple of days.
@@marks.4776 man. Tbh If I did it over again I’d save alittle more and order a cmmg. The only thing I been able to do to get mine to not stove pipe is cut the spring. Been a real $800 headache. I only bought it cause it was the only 45 ar pistol I found it stock at the time. Wish I would have wait till I had more money and gone another route. If you get lucky and get one that runs. It shoots good, I got mine sighted in around 50yds hitting about the size of a fist with some low power 45. 230gr about 830fps.
@@novawolf9370 Thanks for the info, I may just go another route then.
@@ajcj1970 sorry to bother. Did you ever try a 9oz or more buffer tube before you cut the spring. And by cutting the spring would that increase or decrease the strength of the spring?
I cut mine and still have a few malfunctions. It be honest I don’t feel comfortable cutting it any lower. Not to mention the inconsistency of using +p ammo.
Bought mine in early/mid 2019 new and I’ve put about 500 rounds 124 grain blazer and I haven’t had a single fail I have tried to shoot as fast as possible and vice versa and still not one fail so idk but in my opinion it looks like they fixed most of the problems or the one I got isn’t a rotten one of the bunch
Also it is very accurate about 1 inch groups at 50-75 yards
For sure. I just purchased one recently and was stressing bad because all the bad reviews I saw about the gun. I finally got it to the range today and no issues so hopefully they fixed it and it will keep running great.
From what I've seen of the Aero and jams, it almost seems as if the bolt spring is too much for reliable cycling of 9mm. As people I'd heard with larger rounds didn't have the feed problems the 9mm boys were talking about. Granted this is just speculation but worth the notion.
EDIT: Well I posted before seeing the end but I guess I was correct, well at least one of the springs that is. lol
Where did you get that handguard and how did you put that on there?!
The handguard is a 10” XTS free float handguard purchased from Cheaper Then Dirt. It has a mud shield installed on the front. The handguard is attached to the rifle with a AR15 shroud adapter for ASR, purchased from TNW. Hope that helps.
AJC oh!!! So you just need a shroud adapter and you can add the free float handguard of your choice???
Yes. I would suggest checking out the video that TNW has online, and possibly some videos from customers that bought and installed it.
AJC thanks!! Will do.
Where can I get that hand guard?
It’s been a long time since I purchased the hand guard but I believe that I purchased it off EBay.
what kind of handguard is that?
It’s a XTS 10” free float hand guard with a mud shield plate installed on the front.
I never understand why people use dogshit foreign ammo and then complain their gun doesn't run smoothly. CCi ammo is american made and still cheap, I've never had a single failure to feed out of American ammo with this gun. Not one.
Interesting review.. I don't know why, so do not ask as it doesn't make sense to me, BUT I saw a few other reviews where they were having issues as well, and their issues were cause whenever they loaded a magazine with the breech open, which I noticed you did every time as well.. Once they started inserting the magazine with the bolt forward, shazam, it worked flawlessly. HICKOK45 was one such reviewer.
I’ve also seen those videos (I feel like I’ve seen ALL the videos). The bolt being open or closed while inserting a magazine didn’t make a difference for me. I’ve seen reviews ranging from absolutely zero issues to nightmares like mine. I will say, that after troubleshooting the issue, it is a very enjoyable firearm to run. I just wish reaching that point wouldn’t have been so darn frustrating. As of right now (late 2019), the Ruger 9mm carbine is a far better option.
man what a terrible story aero rifles are trash, I have one and have yet to shoot it and Its like I already know its going to be trash from all the reliability videos.
One of the reasons I’m posting videos like this is to help someone going through the same situation as I am. Hopefully the next person having this problem doesn’t have to go through as many steps as I did to get to a resolution. Now that this carbine is functioning, it’s actually quite enjoyable to run. I just wish it didn’t take such a long process to get there. I heard plenty of stories about these functioning 100% out of the box, so don’t give up on yours. With the combination of the manufacturer having fair customer service and people posting info on these carbines more and more everyday, your experience may be very different then mine. Thanks for the comment and good luck.
@@ajcj1970 ordered a buffer spring to play with. Old buffer spring has 17 coils, new buffer spring had 15 coils. Installed new buffer spring and still had jams and stove piping. Cut one full coil off each time until I got down to ten coils. Now it shoots like a champ with no jams or stove piping.