Curious... do you think it's okay to respectfully scrutinize the moral actions and teachings of revered leaders? What topic would you like to see next? Also, this discussion included Krisha and Moses but it made the video much too long, so I trimmed it to three :/ I will include Hinduism and Judaism in some upcoming video though, perhaps a look at views of the afterlife, idk.
Yes. We absolutely do. These people are said to have been divine or divinely inspired. They are supposed to be the moral examples for all time. Thus, their words and actions should hold up for all time as well. Not merely the period of time they were living in.
Just a idea: It would be fun to see a debate between two AI Christian or Muslim with one being more rationalist and the other being more mystic In another word a debate between a Christian with mystic interpretations (like the Eastern orthodox) and Christian with rationalist interpretations The same can be done with Islam
Notice how the Christian and Buddhist were able to be contextualize their exemplars' teachings in a timeless and insightful manner with ease, while the Muslim had to make excuses for Muhammad being a product of his time...
It matters on the question , if we cite buddhist law stating to beat wives or women are devils or OT saying commanding rape , i am sure you will have to make excuses for that
Exactly if something is normal doesn't mean it is right And if it was normal was not right then Muhammad as a messenger of God he should teach that child marriage is wrong but he engaged in it too😂 How can he be messenger of God Does god justify child marriage 😂😅
@@sanjeevshukla3509the child marriage, with Aisha and him is not even true. There are many other Hadiths, which are authentic too and deny the age of aisha of 6-9 years old. In one hadith for example it says she was on battlefields, which a child couldn't go at that time. Or another says, that she was the same height as Mohammad, which also contradicts the theory of she being a child at that age.
@@sanjeevshukla3509 Book 8, Hadith 21 - it is reported that she leaned on his shoulder, which would not be possible for a child unless, for some reason, she was already over approximately 160 cm tall at the age of 9. Regarding her participation in battles - Hadith Sahih al-Bukhari and his biographies. There are further inconsistencies when looking at the age difference with her sisters and the accounts of her birthday, but that would be too much to go into here. I mean, the whole matter is similar to if I started criticizing the story of Rebecca in Christianity without considering other relevant points. Many internet agitators are doing the same thing right now with other Quranic verses, claiming they glorify violence, without understanding the context in which the verses were revealed
what even funny is that the christian and buddhist AI also use "at that time context" language but have completely different response because the initial question is just too problematic
@@romecat yes there is, because qureshi is not the victim of massacre, the muslim is, qureshi always trying to eliminate them and along side with jews asking any power to join them to eliminate muslims, muhammad never start a war or massacred any arab tribes after muslim win the battle, you can read history if you want, don't depend on me to tell you
Still didn't because Ashia was 9. The average age if marriage in the area at that time was 14. Islam literally has rules for marrying girls that haven't started their periods. It wasn't based on maturity. It was based Muhammad being a pedophile and Allah rushing to accommodate him.
Also all the sources we have on that are Muslim sources. And if you disagree with Mohammed on anything you have left Islam. And apostasy is connected with death punishment.
Even though i don't believe in the saying that the prophet married aisha when she was 9, i can see why ppl falsified this hadith and made it up like this, as early as 1800s the age of marriage was 12 years old for women , so it's not too far to say that 1400 years ago it was 9 years old.
@@galifrey6214 if a Muslim would make up something about the prophet, it would have been something positive not something negative don’t you think? Also, it’s in multiple books If a girl got married at 12 in the past it was to a 16 yo boy not to a decrepit elderly man and not at 9
I love how the AI just didn't even address. The fact that Muhammad is supposed to be the perfect moral example for all men for all time, And that regardless of the time periods still shouldn't have been engaging In marriage with a child. It's almost like it's indefensible or something.
@@Why_Am_I-Here01 I think you know exactly what I mean, Do you think it's OK to do this with a 9-year-old? When you're supposed to be the perfect moral example for all people of all time.
Oh I guess you really didn't understand my question.did you ? I asked what a child is.@gnos1s171 And now I have another question, have you ever researched why Islam's prophet married Ayesha? Do you know about libido age of a man and woman in that time? Do you know the people mature way differently in different types of places and conditions?
Another question for you @@gnos1s171 Do you know, morality, ideology and maturity, are completely different from one individual to another depending on different conditions and circumstances? One's morality is imposed on the other because the person who is imposing his morality is more powerful than the other. Similarly the western morality, ideology, freedoms 🦅 are imposed on other countries. Like if someone betrays me or cheats me, I will give them a miserable life. Or even kill them later, but the law will not let me do it. So law's morality is imposed upon me even though I don't like it. So what do you think is moral justification? Or is there any moral justification in this world? You have got a conscience and an intellect, not to believe anything or anyone blindly , without researching. Don't believe in everything you hear or see, if a person thinks more emotionally than logically and rationally, he will be in big trouble. These situations are used to do these things to people like manipulating, gaslighting, blackmailing and many more.
@@Why_Am_I-Here01 well, depending on the place the age someone is considered an adult is usually someone 16-18 (hence, why the age of consent in some places in America is as low as 16) so let's go with the minimum here and say 16 is an adult, So sixteen is my answer on The minimum age of what's considered an adult, And i'm pretty sure a nine year olds Labido, even at that time isn't developed enough, And regardless, if that's the case, then that means what Muhammad did and the morality of his actions is dependent on time period and means he isn't the moral example and ethical example for all people to follow for all times which is what Muslims claim, If he was then conditions of people in that time period don't matter. 🙃 It really is as simple as that. Don't try to act like you can just have it both ways.
Christian copium is so insane , like christianity is already dead with millions leaving every year and you here are coping ? Look at any research on the matter of religious conversions , example take PEW , christianity is losing 66 million and islam is gaining 300k in conversions by 2050
If you had listened carefully, it actually answered pretty well. We take rulings from the Quran and Sunnah, and the ruling regarding marriage according to Islamic teachings is that, a person must reach the age of puberty with the primary signs of puberty, and at in the old times, the age of maturity was the same as the age of puberty, so when a person reached puberty, they were considered adults, meaning fit for the consummation of marriage (which was the case for Aisha, and the rest of the world, including Christian and Jewish law). And due to the social and environmental changes around us, a person who reached puberty is not mentally mature, and Islam emphasizes on the second condition, i.e., mental maturity to make a decision for themselves. So, the age of marriage is higher in Islam nowadays, but is still defined by simply a number rather their physical and mental maturity, just like before. In a nutshell, there are two assumptions that people make to accuse the prophet, the present biological and mental conditions were the same at all times and everywhere, and secondly, misrepresenting the argument we are making, through saying that, "it was socially acceptable at that time, therefore it was morally right", but that is far from the case.
@@codium-pkMohammed’s actions were medieval and contrary to today’s times. His actions are reprehensible and do not stand the test of time. The words of Jesus do however and its plane for everyone to see. Most people are too scared to challenge Muslims because they scream and yell and use the islamaphobe card because they’re unable to defend their viewpoints properly.
@@codium-pk so is it ok that a 53 year old man deflowers a 9 year old girl ? 9 years is nowhere near a mature woman xD the hadiths say she played with dolls and they had to feed her more so she would become a bit bigger xD bruh
Nah. It just forces a Western moral stand point. For example it says that gender equality is a fundamental moral truth. That is the biggest joke I heard. If Islam fails that, it means it is in line with reality
@@johnlove2954 So you don’t think that both genders are allowed to have equal rights? Do you perhaps live alone and haven’t spoken with or touched a woman since you were a child?
I mean, that is a relevant point to make. Especially when dealing with morality, setting the standard by a particular frameworks sources will lead to some biases.
@@miguelatkinson if you read more into Ephesians 6:5-9 Paul says "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free. And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him." If I knew that and still treated a slave I owned horribly how am I gonna say “ I love Jesus” at that point I’m honoring Jesus with my lips but my heart will be far from him and when judgement comes Jesus will say “depart from me I never knew you”
@@rigby3620 yes sir all the lashings to where his skin looked like ripped paper , spitting, name calling, mockery, being beat by everyone around him and having to be hung on a cross dying a excruciating death in front of his mom. All of that Jesus Christ endured so we can have peace to God through him Jesus. Fun fact the word excruciating came from the word crucify. Whenever Jesus wanted to 72,000 angels could have wiped everyone out and the whole world. But Jesus allowed himself to go through all that for us. Like in John 15:13, where Jesus teaches His disciples about the depth and magnitude of true love. He says "Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends." so in the greatest act of love Jesus died for our sins. All we have to do is accept the free gift of salvation and by salvation to eternal life through Jesus and accept Jesus Christ into our lives.
@deskcharity2869 nice try, but as you can see, the AIs have excelled in defending Christianity over Islam. In the other videos, Christianity has even outperformed atheism.
@@remylebeau7258who are you to be able to call someone else false? Do you know their full circumstances and context? Or are you perhaps a good judge of character to just be able to tell on the spot?
@@keksi6844 False religion is so easy to expose. From the Torah nearly 3500 years ago .... 💯 What is the personal NAME that Almighty God gave his faithful prophets Isaiah, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Moses, Noah, Joseph, Elijah, King David, Yeho-shua, and Yehōnātān the Baptist? (Psalm 135:13) 💯 [Your name, Yahweh, endures forever; your renown, Yahweh, throughout all generations.] Arab jealousy is the foundational to Islam, envious of Judaism ✡️ and Christianity. The only miracle of the Quran (and Islam) is that many people still believe that it is a miracle. Sadly 😥 Without LIES Islam ☪️ DIES. 💯 Flee 🏃♀️ from the utterly ridiculous lies of Pagan Islam ☪️ and the moon Deity 🌙. Sha'lom Aleichem in Christ Hallelujah-Praise Almighty Jah you people.
This AIs simply reflect what is the majority of writings on these subjects. In a way it shows that Christianity is the religion that has paved the way for technology - if islam had «owned» 90% of the content fed into the AI, the judging would probably gone in another direction. That said, the judgement is correct😀 But I wonder what would had happened if Jesus would be challenged on marriage?? Or hell?? I bet Buddha would be better off in this contest (although Christ is of course still correct)
@@ldptwltslstsaokda1760 Jay Dyer got cooked so bad bro said "3 little "g" gods like what?! Christans can only lie about Islam and not defend themselves that's why Rashid and Robert got cooked by Daniel and Jake on the OT
Yeah, the AI does a terrible job capturing the actual theological truths of Christ's teachings. Sam does a great job explaining and has helped many have a deeper understanding.
lsIam: no no no - you have to understand … it was a DIFFERENT back then and allah changed his mind (abrogation) Christianity: I am the SAME yesterday, today and forever - God
@@munachisoononuju3130 When did God change his mind since the old testament? and was jesus not god back then? If that's what you believe, then he never was and never can be God, so you're a Muslim, congratulations.
it was justified, also go ahead and give your neck a break from holding up that head of yours-clearly, you’re not using it for any deep thinking and just enjoy making snap judgments. Clearly, you're an expert judge, right? Lol. And please, stop using modern American 'moral' standards to critique everyone who’s ever lived. It just highlights how limited your perspective is.
24:08 As a Christian, I have to correct the Christian AI on this point. "But asserts her worthiness of God's mercy." It might just be misunderstanding the phrasing, but Jesus, Himself, will assert that there is not one that is good, quoting from Deuteronomy. That is the infinite love and compassion of God at work. We *don't* deserve His love and mercy, but He gives it anyways. But just as He is infinite in love and mercy, He is infinite and perfect in righteousness and justice. He will judge us for our sins and we will pay for our sins. BUT in His mercy and love, He gave us His Son to die in our place, that whosoever places their faith in Jesus' death and resurrection and promise of salvation, we, too will be saved.
@@10054well, its also important to recognize that the Bible was not originally written in English. So the words we use to make sense of the Bible may not make much sense in comparison to words that were used in the original language. Especially because the bible uses a lot of hyperbole and metaphors that can be hard to understand for readers who don't have historical literacy
I think the AI said this based on the setting of the parable not on the real value. The children are also not worthy of mercy in reality but in the parable context, they seem to.
@@LevitheLibrarian the entire Christan defense was "oh yeah, he wasn't being serious" like no shit these bots are gonna be on Christian side the arguments were chosen by the bias channel owner
@@Servant.Of.TheMost-Merciful No. Hyperbole is need for teaching. Its good to describe. Jesus said that accepting the truth will lead to division because there are people who defend lies (thats the sword). iT DOES NOT MEAN HIS NOT SERIOUS AT ALL HE TRY TO DESCRIBE WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
@@CasualStreamerSerpent sure hyperbole is fine and all but this is why the argument of the AI is flawed as many people come and misinterpret scriptures such as the time Romans burned Jews while reciting John 15:6. And Matthew 15:26-27 defense was bad too.
@flying0possum Kinda true. After all, it is said that Budhha prohesied that a "better god" whose "feet were nailed" would come after him. Doesn't make Buddha right, but I believe God can use even those who don't align with Him to do His Will. After all, if you, as an all-powerful deity can never lose, then everything, even the opponent's moves, are an advantage. Amen?
And Muhammad was a terrorist. In terms of who these three are exactly: You have Christ the King, Buddha the Philosopher, and Muhammad the Terrorist. Buddhism is more of a Philosophy than anything else since its mythology borrows alot from Hinduism.
@@thechristsknight7758 tell me you only heard this prophecy in a christian channel without telling me you only heard this prophecy in a christian channel.
What I got from this video is that Quran is a book that has many contradictions so you can basically cherry pick whatever interpretation you want and need at that point..
Most of the Quran is vague and repetitive. Some of the contradictions can be easily solved. The chronologically later verses may abrogate the chronologically earlier verses. There are only two problems with that. 1) The Quran is not sorted chronologically, which means we have to look at non-quranic material to find out what abrogates what. 2) Muhammed was much more aggressive and violent later in his life. Which means the peaceful statements are probably abrogated.
Exactly. It basically goes like this: use the guidelines that seem the most convenient atm, but nothing here that the prophet did or taught is wrong. They changed because society changed, in part, but things that are clearly wrong for us, are not so for them; If these problematic practices came back in trend they'd be back to doing them without considering them wrong.
I love how for Islam it just says "well think about the time" and ignores that a moral example does timeless good, and stays good till the end. Crazy. God bless, Jesus died for your sins
That's what Islam is built on: lying and justifying BS. "Muhammad married a child" "It was normal at the time!" "Muslims killed non-Muslims and turned female prisoners of war to sex slaves" "It was normal at the time!"
I love how in Islam everything is about current times, current situation, etc etc. Christ is timeless and perfect throughout the ages while Islam has to lie to pretend that things were ,,necessary"
@@rashadwilliams552 The first historical mentions of a Jesus-like figure who preached unique variations of local Judaic tradition and came to die on a Roman cross come well over a century after his supposed death, under the name Christus, although satirical depictions of him in graffiti art date to earlier. The man the Jesus story was based after was most likely a charismatic Rabbi or conman, who gained a small cult following during his lifetime but remained relatively unknown and obscure for the decades proceeding his death, only inspiring a niche sect heavily mocked by the religious majority. Whatever the case, the only scholarly agreed upon events in this man's life would be his baptism and crucifixion, because of their presence in the very most ancient writing. Every thing else became blown out of proportion much later.
buddha is more than god...according to Buddhism there is no eternal god..but there are devas (high power being than human they enjoy luxury life and long life span) but after end of their karma they will also die...so buddha said no one greater than him...he is god for gods...
As a Hindu, I must say, I would be very happy and open to listen to the teachings of Jesus and possibly learn from him and his life due to his emphasis on love, compassion and accepting the plurality of human existence even though I might not have faith in the theology of Christianity. I can't say the same for Muhammad unfortunately, as I would never even wanna see him other than using a time machine to go back and do you know what. Muhammad just did in Arabia what Genghis Khan did in Mongolia, the only difference being Genghis was a better conqueror and didn't persecute on the basis of religion.
If your heart is open to Jesus as you say, probably not only his moral teachings, but his Grace, will eventually enter your soul, which I pray for. The man was exemplar, but the God is truth and virtue itself. Have a good day sir!
@@creammycup2853Anything lol? First of all she wasn't his daughter, He created her. According to Islam, Allah created Jesus and Muhammad so are they his sons or creation? And he married his creation, grape is nowhere to be found here but only with what Muhammad did to Aisha at 9 years lol.
@@hindugramsci Muhammad (PHUB) married Ayesha(RS) . Ayesha (RA) wasn't his wife but if Muhammad does it then according to you guys it's barbaric and wrong? But if brahma does it then it's alright? And iam sorry to say this. According to some sources. Yes saraswati was the daughter of Brahma not only his creation.
@@creammycup2853Because Aisha was a nine year old and Muhammad was a 50 year old man at the time of consummation. Whereas, God Brahma is a God who created a divine being and married his creation. There is no comparison between the two acts. What Muhammad did is possible for any pedophile today but what Brahma dev did can only be done by God.
Ngl if I was the lady explaining slavery and Jesus I would have used all of Ephesians 6:5-9 "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free. And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him."
@@ethanmoon3925 all the abolitionists were prominent Christians using Christian values to argue against slavery. Furthermore, "slavery" in the OT gives rules on how to treat your bondservant where before there was absolutely no rules. It's incredibly abundant how the bible elevates above society.
@@united_europe well God has control. over all, so he can decide what he does with his creation. like if you had stuffies or legos figures. you deicide what you do with them. so God isn't wrong for handing the nation to the isrealites.
@@united_europeSihon was a Canaanite king and Canaanites were wicked and God had advised the Israelites to drive them out of the Promised Land, so theyd on't defile the Israelites and make them sinful and adulterous just like them.
I like how the AI didn't even mention how the challenger ripped Ephesians 6:5 out of context- that would be too easy of a silver bullet and would avoid a deeper defense. For anyone wondering just read through Ephesians 6. Its probably a 30sec to 1min read and it Immediately breaks down the moral ambiguity of the verse
Sadly, Jesus never explicitly spoke against slavery and both the old and new testaments support slavery in their respective contexts. The god of the old testament explicitly dictates how to poperly beat a slave so that it doesn't die. Makes 2 types of slavery conditions, one type of slavery for non-jews and one type of slavery for jews. You can guess which ethnic group got the "better treatment." As Ephesians said, slaves should obey their masters and their masters should treat their slaves the same way. Yet, there is no apparent opposition to the practice of slavery itself, which is the owning of an another human as property. It also doesn't oppose buying or selling of slaves. The fact that the old testament, jesus, the early christian writings nor the new testament canon oppose slavery, and just gives new rules to an immoral/inhumane practice, makes the bible a bad contender for moral law, and even worse, moral superiority. Only through humanistic philosophies and reinterpretations of the bible, slavery was viewed as immoral in the Age of Enlightenment during the 1700's. Thats why, the "Jesus' message was a ticking time bomb for slavery" argument falls appart, when the time it took for the ticking bomb to 'explode' was almost 2 thousand years later after Jesus' message. And when it also took 1 side of seculars/christians abolishionists vs literalist pro-slavery conservative christian factions to go to war in the U.S for slavery to be abolished. (Specifically in the U.S of course). Thats also the problem when a supposedly divine message can be interpreted in countless ways. Proving that allegedly divine messages are just human opinion, that carry out human responses.
@@jared02jso Humans made their bed they have to sleep in it.. when our first parents rejected Almighty Jah as their God refusing his leadership. Wicked men and Satan rule this world. Yeshua told Pontius Pilate his kingdom is not of this world. 💯 Almighty God allows suffering right now. In the near future Lord Yeshua will destroy all wickedness, there will be no hurt or pain or violence. What he said. (Matthew 5:4-9) [“Happy are those who mourn, since they will be comforted. 5 “Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will inherit the earth. 6 “Happy are those hungering and thirsting for righteousness, since they will be filled. 7 “Happy are the merciful, since they will be shown mercy. 8 “Happy are the pure in heart, since they will see God. 9 “Happy are the peacemakers, since they will be called sons of God.] No one will be around who does Satan's bidding to twist Scriptures. This is what Yeshua actually taught. 💯 Sha'lom Aleichem in Christ Hallelujah-Praise Almighty Jah you people.
@@jared02jso I guarentee you if God said "I abolish slavery" in the ancient world with almost no concept of the individual and modern moral framework, it would crash and burn very quickly. The Israelites couldn't even handle the laws God DID give them, let alone somethings as controversial as abolitionism. And I'd recommend re-reading the Gospels. If you take away from the literature that God is ok with slavery, then with all do respect, you need to retake a course in reading and literary comprehension
Bro you can clearly see this shit is rigged . Go ask ChatGPT and will be more with the Muslim argument and saying they had good explanation. This video is manipulated to make Muslim look bad . The ai Muslim had extremely good argument and the challenger ai did not go to the really bad things in the Bible . This shit is rigged
@@erlinghaaland5392 I think it would be good, because JW’s refuse to debate. I don’t know if their beliefs hold up to scrutiny or not. It could be actually good to hear.
@@racingfortheson It's really obvious that their beliefs don't hold up, if you look into it. I think Mike Winger has a few good videos about them, check it out.
As an ex jw and now Christian it would be interesting. They don't really publicly show their theology and keep in books like "insight on the scriptures" which you can only get from a congregation for example. With a half dozen false prophecies, proveable twisted Bible translations (like John 1:1) and a complete ignorance and arrogance on history while claiming the church invented the belief of Jesus being God with no historical evidence to support the claim
The J Ws, 7th day, and Mormons, used to do debates. 100huntly street broadcast lots of them through the 70-80's but they got HOSED in the debates. Proven as a cult. So it's no wonder they don't do them any more @racingfortheson
Round 3, Racial Slur, completely missed the point. First, Jesus didn’t call the woman a ‘dog’. The woman was not from Israel. Jesus was only ministering to Israel at the time, that change later on. The woman’s daughter was possessed and she was going to an idle to pray for her daughter to be healed. On the way she heard of Jesus and decided to ask him for help instead. When she asked Jesus for help he replied “It is not fair to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” Note: children, bread, and dogs: which is also plural by the way. Refer to: Israel, Jesus’s teachings, and the woman. He was no more calling the woman a ‘dogs’ anymore than he was Israel ‘children’ or his teachings physical actual ‘bread’. It was the way he taught people.
@@sabeehzor7058 It’s a song, sung by captured slaves that were forced to sing by their captors on their march into captivity. Their children and friends had just been killed, their homes burned, and their possessions taken. It’s a song filled with heartbreak, anger, and raw emotion. It’s a song, not an ordinance or command. It’s a Psalm. All of them are rich and emotional, as they wrestle with life, God, joy, and pain.
@sabeehzor7058 hello I'm sabeehzor7058 I'm going to waste my time on RUclips typing in people's comments cuz I'm bored and pissed at people who don't agree at me
@@sabeehzor7058before or after the song, it says "happy is the one who does to you what you've done to us!" the singer is saying that this is what's being done to them
There is and Muhammed didn't condemn the man for doing it. He actually rewarded the man intercourse with the beaten woman before she could divorce him. What a cult.
Rifa`a divorced his wife whereupon `AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. `Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) came, `Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" When `AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, `Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa`a." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa`a unless `Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet (ﷺ) saw two boys with `Abdur- Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that `AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "You claim what you claim (i.e.. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow,"
when the islamic AI said 'while we didn't abolish slavery, aimed to improve the conditions of slavery' and the verse does not help enforce this point at all got me. The strike argument against wives was also laughable. AI couldn't even save this one
@@Angel_Songbook I am surprised the fact that Muhammad had literal sex slaves and encouraged his followers to take sex slaves wasn't brought up in that point.
@@malkavthemad4249this Is an immense lie and I dare you to show me where he had sex slaves. Prisoners of war who you can have sex with if both parties agree so then she can be freed if pregnant or even a future wife or a Muslim revert later on. Are not sex slaves. That term doesn’t exist in Quran and Hadith.
i almost cried so many times watching this video. Whenever I feel worthless, Im reminded that Im made in the image of God, and that my life has immeasurable value. Jesus Chris’s love is truly beautiful and I love how the AI can defend him.
@@redbepis4600 do u wanna refer to a specific example in the old testament that is challenging to someone’s belief in Christ? I may not be an expert like the AI, but i know some stuff.
Jesus didn't explicitly condemn slavery? The sermon on the mound is all about condemning the existing view of the social hierarchy, including slavery. Or: Matthew 20: 25-28 25 But Jesus called them to him and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. 26 It shall not be so among you. But whoever would be great among you must be your servant,[c] 27 and whoever would be first among you must be your slave,[d] 28 even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
@@thegrunbeld6876 woke is more synonymous with Post Modernism and it's psuedo religions that anything remotely what Christ taught. YOUR woke is showing with that drivel.
@@G.T.9 I wonder if you're feeling conviction and called by the Holy Spirit of God to come to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ the promised Messiah and Savior of mankind.
@@hothdogor Islam is terrible morally. Islamic slavery, Islamic heaven is just a strip club, treatment of women/children. Morally, Islam is only challenged by atheism, and atheism doesn’t have moral objectivity
That story about Jesus and the Caananite women was to reveal her humility, not His superiority. At that time, many Jews were incredibly arrogant and Jesus utilized the Caananite woman ro make a point. Only immature, ignorant, stupid or evil people would think Jesus saw any of His beloved created humans as "dogs". Besides, the term of dog in reference to humans is more about humans acting in a feral manner and demeaning themselves as humans. Jesus doesnt view humans as dogs, not even when we deserve it.
There was more that could be said, such as Romans 10, 12-13 "For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile" and Matthew 8, 11 "I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven."... these are just a few. There's also the fact that Jesus teaches us to treat others as we want to be treated.
Mentioned Ephesians 6:5 but not Ephesians 6:9 😭 5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free. 9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.
@@mozlemboi4690nope because Galatians 3:28 says “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Basically saying we are all the same and are perfected in Christ so there’s no slave nor free
@@mozlemboi4690In other words, contradicting current slavery and consequently disabling it and eradicating it over time? Because this "slavery" seems more like work than what was done by the colonizers, for example.
1:22 Islamic law adapts to changing societal laws ....this proves it isnt from God as God would have no need to change His lawful standards to keep in step with the worlds sensibilities since He is outside of time. He would likely only add new things or types of consessions that dont contradict the first standards given. His way would be right period where as islam changes to adapt as if it isnt right.
@@npcetsdx7310give me one islamic sacred text that claims the necessity of mental maturity or strict standards on physical maturity for marriage, don’t assume things due to your prior bias.. the main sign that makes a girl an adult in islam is menstruation, nothing more nothing less
@@UsernameUnavailable-r7j but the good thing is, they slowly see how stupid the quran and the hadith are, slowly but surely all of them shall see, hopefully, they'll come to Christ, but I know the truly evil ones will stay with Islam.
Of course I can agree with Buddhism, Islam requires context, but yes it was spread by the sword to some extent. And yes Christianity is the religion of God, just be sure to remember that God sanctioned the killing of infants/children, women, and animals. But let’s not forget the many years of conquests, murder,and enslavement that Christians seem to act like never happened “The religion of God” would not exist today without those atrocities.
1:20 The bot is actually wrong, it doesnt change with society moral compass It is well stated in Surah Al-talaq 65:4 "As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery.1 And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them." This verse talks about divorcing women (which obviously means they were married and are allowed to do so) And it mentions women who have not yet menstruated (little girls) (absolute red flag)
The verse makes no mention on intercourse even commentaries mention this. The Iddah is a general ruling for those who don't menstruate. And what of Numbers 31:17-18 and the church allowing younger marriages at puberty or younger (if they reach "perfection" before the average time)? Are the early church fathers all pedos??
@@Servant.Of.TheMost-Merciful Are you playing dumb? This verse talks about the waiting period or RE-MARRYING after having sex. In another verse, if the person didn't have sex, they can go marry without a waiting period. This waiting period was stablished to make sure a woman was not pregnant before marrying another man.
I wish the Christian AI had gone further and discussed how, historically, Christianity and Chriatian ideals played a role in helping to end slavery and serfdom in Europe and eventually the world. Also, I liked how the last question highlighted something I think all three religions have in common-the idea of how you change the world is to teach correct principles, change individuals, and as those individuals begin to change you let them lead by example. Too often, political movements assume morality has nothing to do with any social problems, and try to change society to accommodate people's moral choices, good or bad.
What did Christianity have to do with ending slavery? You do realize chrsitanity does not condemn slavery? What pre modern Christian scholar condemned slavery?
@@nomejest5919 Christianity very obviously condemns slavery if you can read between the lines, the teachings of Christ like loving your neighbour as much as you love yourself and all people being equal under God would not be incompatible with slavery, and is why the Christians had a large part in dismantling slavery in the US, the Quakers, William Lloyd Garrison and John Brown were some of the very first in the US to rally against slavery, and they were of course all Christian and their points as to why slavery was bad was all to do with Biblical teachings. As well the British Empire ended slavery before the Americans and that was primarily done through William Wilberforce, another Christian wanting to end slavery for Biblical reasons.
@captainfirebug341 All people you mentioned are people who are colonial liberals who participated in the reformation of the church and liberal colonialism. They are not good examples. Give me examples from medieval period where there was no influence of liberalism of slavery being abolished. Also, being a slave does not mean one is unequal. It just means you are in the ownership of someone else. You still have equal value. For example, children are ownership under their parents, but they are still equal to their father and mother. Same thing here.
@@captainfirebug341 While you are not wrong to say that Christianity was partially responsible for the abolition of slavery, you are mistaken to believe that it helped in its “truest” form. Before this slavery was socially acceptable in many European/Christian nations. It usually fell under the label of serfdom, but in many cases, (ie; the new world) it was basically a fact of life. Slaves fell into either the category of non-Christian or non-European. John Brown might seem like a good example until you remember that he was killed in the very religious, conservative, and Christian part of the U.S, the south. It wasn’t exactly the ideals of Christianity, but the ideas of the Renaissance that shaped and gave birth to the ideal the slavery is wrong. The British Empire, on the other hand, did play a large part in removing slavery from most of its territory, but they simply replaced it with indentured servants from the Indian subcontinent, which is one of the main reasons why the Indian diaspora is the largest in the entire world. It’s rather interesting, you should go read about it, but I digress. While many people were against slavery for moral reasons, most of the ruling class of the Empire wanted slavery gone because it was no longer an affordable and profitable business.
Tbh christians, buddhists, hinduists, atheists and other non religious, shintoists, they all are chill. There is only one religion with an active jihad today
There's a lie right at the beginning. Regarding the beating of wives: the 'lightly' has been added to all English translations. There is no lightly in the original Arabic.
Lightly comes from a hadith and explanation of the verse by Ibn Abbas , christians like you re so ignorant that it baffles me .IF muslims had to please the kuffars they could have also changed many other things , but they didnt , why ? because they dont care about you liking it or not
@@InsideTheMindMaps Unfortunately the Muslim Jesus doesn't compute well with the Jewish Messiah as described in the Tanakh. It would contradict a lot and lead to a very convoluted discussion. I have studied Qu'ran but what comes to my mind constantly is Galatians 1:6-8: "6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed."
@@InsideTheMindMaps what’s interesting is that Muslims have very similar beliefs to one of the earliest Christian sects when it comes to the nature of Jesus messiahship. But today’s Christians mean something very different than what Muslims mean when they say Jesus is the Christ. Either way, both Christianity and Islam ignore the prophecies of the messiah and messianic age in Judaism.
@@antonioreid534well, the Jews have rejected Jesus as a messianic figure. Although Jesus Peace be upon him fulfils the prophecies to be the messiah. So the Jews rejected him and Made coalition with Roman kings of that time, to threaten and eventually crucify Jesus ( but we Muslims believe Jesus was saved from all of this torture and ascended to heaven). So in the end times Jesus is coming back. At that time there will be another figure the Antichrist. So misguided Jews will eventually accept the Antichrist and will go astray, as they did before. That’s the whole summary in Islamic sources pretty much.
@@InsideTheMindMaps Jesus literally doesn’t fulfill a single messianic prophecy. This is just the successful PR of the church. And unfortunately Muslims have got themselves partially wrapped up in one of the biggest frauds on the planet. There is nothing about the messiah being born a virgin, dying on the cross, being resurrected from the dead, drinking his blood, eating his body, or accepting him as the ultimate and final sacrifice for the remission of sin.
@@sabeehzor7058 The nature of the verse Psalm 137:9 is found in one of the Imprecatory Psalms (or Precatory Psalms) that speak of violence against the enemies of God. That verse reads, “Happy is the one who seizes your infants / and dashes them against the rocks.” To “imprecate” means to “pray evil against,” and the imprecatory prayers in the Bible strike people today as strange or wrong. It is important to understand the context of this verse and others like it. The background is the Jewish people calling upon God to exact revenge upon their military enemies. Psalm 137 is in the context of the Jewish exile in Babylon (Psalm 137:1) where they had been taken as slaves after the Babylonians burned down the city of Jerusalem. The Jews in exile were then told to “sing us one of the songs of Zion!” (Psalm 137:1), adding further humiliation and frustration to a defeated people. The psalmist recalls both the disgraces of the Edomites (who looted Jerusalem) and the Babylonians who destroyed their capital city. He comes to two conclusions to end the psalm. First, he says, “Happy is the one who repays you according to what you have done to us” (Psalm 137:8). This cry for revenge desired the destruction of their enemies. Then in verse 9, the psalmist adds further detail to this cry for revenge, claiming, “Happy is the one” who kills the infants of their enemy. The desire is graphically stated, but it is simply a call for the destruction of the entire nation-the nation that had enslaved the Jews, killed their babies, and destroyed their city. The destruction of Babylon was expressly foretold in Isaiah 13:16, and by referencing that prediction, the psalmist may mean to say that the men who were God’s instruments in carrying out that prophecy would be happy in doing His will. If we keep in mind that the psalms are songs that express intense emotions, a statement such as “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks” should not shock us. The writer did not intend to go out and kill babies; rather, he desired justice, which required the death of his enemies. Even today, those who have lost loved ones at the hands of others understandably desire the death of those who committed the crime. We must be careful to interpret Psalm 137 in its historical context and apply it appropriately in connection with the full counsel of Scripture. It is a normal human desire to see justice done and for enemies to be defeated. However, Romans 12:17-19 commands, “Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: ‘It is mine to avenge; I will repay,’ says the Lord.” Psalm 137 is not a selfish prayer for personal revenge. It is a plea for God to intervene in the affairs of men to keep His covenant and right all wrongs. The Proper Hebrew Meaning Additionally, “happy” is an inaccurate translation of the Hebrew. The Hebraic Tanakh reads: אַשְׁרֵ֤י ׀ שֶׁיֹּאחֵ֓ז וְנִפֵּ֬ץ אֶֽת־עֹ֝לָלַ֗יִךְ אֶל־הַסָּֽלַע׃ Psalm 137:9 Hebrew Text Analysis אשר The verb אשר ('ashar) generally indicates a decisive progression (Proverbs 4:14, 9:6) or a setting right (Isaiah 1:17). On occasion it's used in the negative (literally: Isaiah 3:12; leading someone "straight astray"), but most often it's positive. So positive even that this verb's secondary meaning is that of being or being made happy (Psalm 41:2, Proverbs 3:18), or even being deemed or called happy (Genesis 30:13, Job 29:11, Psalm 72:16). Therefore the Hebrew implies: “How right it would be that the babies of the enemies should be dashed against the rocks, just as ours have been.” It is not condoning infanticide, it is simply acknowledging that if such were to ever happen, it wouldn't be like they hadn't had it coming.
I feel like the Christian AI missed out on the stating the point of the parable Jesus was using with the woman: Jesus’ initial response was He was sent for the lost sheep (the Jews) reinforcing what is said throughout the New Testament. The Gospel was first to the Jew then to the gentile. It wasn’t that he was call her a dog nor was he calling Jewish people children. He was saying he was send to share the gospel to the Jews then to the gentiles with his limited time on earth in body. In the same way when you have limited food you first feed the children then the pets.
Great content, and very eye opening. Notice how the Christian AI never once resorted to "this horrible act was normal at the time", demonstrating how His message is truly timeless. It would appear that Jesus is King yet again.
Fun fact: The AI actually disregard Muhammad's actions and examples (aka Sunnah) as barbaric, outdated and archaic if you not directly mention him or hadiths😊
Search about these things. I was raised protestant, but then I figured I was trusting some things that were lies about the history of Christian nations, and it was very bad, since false testimony breaks one of the 10 commandments. So, since I wanted to re-learn history, I became unbiased and went to see the version of history from other sources, and it turns out that so many people commit grave injustice against Catholics. Specially when failing to compare them with other historical Christian communities around the same time, non Christian nations around the same time, and what actually happened, and how the Church reacted to what was happening.
It was trained on their points 🤷🏻♂️ indeed anyone accusing the Muslim ai of not being realistic has probably never heard this kind of debates.... Ai is just repeating.
I love how all the commenters are saying, “shouldn't a moral example be timeless?”, then critiquing Muhammad based on the social consensus of today's liberal morality, rather than actually laying out the case for today's morality. The Muslim isn't saying, “nobody criticised him for that at the time” to mean, “morality changed between then and now”. Morality is the same, even society's moral beliefs are the same on this point; the Arabs were just as much against child marriage as you are - otherwise why wait three years? The disagreement is clearly on what IS a child, and the Muslims are simply pointing out that if the people who knew Aisha best (i.e. those of her time & place) - and were just as much against child marriage as you think you are - didn't criticise the Prophet for marrying a child, what grounds do you have for thinking she was one? But how can I expect you modern people to understand what a child is when you can't even understand what a woman is? Hint: both womanhood and childhood are defined by biology first and foremost, and psychology is also extremely important. The AI even starts with, “how does Islam reconcile this with modern understandings of consent and child protection?”. A better question is: why should it? The modern understanding is wrong. For a start, Aisha wasn't a child. For a second, there was literally no tangible harm that you even pointed to, so protection from what, exactly? Thirdly, in modern conceptions of consent, if you drive drunk, you're culpable, but if you have sex drunk, you're a rape victim; unless you're a man, and your partner was also drunk and a woman, then you're a rapist. I mean, this is just scratching the surface. I could go into incoherency upon incoherency on modern understandings. But the liberal loves to place himself as the challenger, never the challenged. His moral precepts, this atheist liberal, come from on high. The Christians in the comments have simply swallowed the presumptions in all these questions, imbibed the modern liberal moral trend of the day, then does all sorts of mental gymnastics to cope with the fact that their Bible literally talks about the “joys” of “dashing infants' heads against rocks”, and is 10 times more illiberal than Islam on any given topic that they like to point the finger at Muslims for. The Qur'an constantly refers to a handful of good deeds as the best expiation for sins, freeing a slave being one of them, while the Bible says that the master who beats his slave half to death is not to be punished if the slave lives a day or two after the beating, “for he is his property”, but to the insincere ones, they'll simply read their book in the most charitable way, even going so far as to do mental gymnastics, while often reading the Qur'an in the most disingenuous way through yet more mental gymnastics. Islam outlawed all entrypoints into slavery except as prisoners of war, then when the liberal world order had to be pressured to do the same by the push of Christians and others of conscience and the pull of the industrial revolution - over a millennium later - they crow about how “Western countries were the first to outlaw slavery”; not only have they not done so, their exception for prisoners - same as Islam - extends beyond prisoners of war to just prisoners in general; read your constitution, Americans. There are American states today that still have to pay reparations to _slaveowners and their descendants_, yet it's still controversial to talk about reparations for slaves and their descendants, and suddenly everyone wants to talk about responsibility. There are former colonies of France that are still forced to pay France - which to this day takes no responsibility for the horrors they committed - debilitating sums for the privilege of “not being colonised”. Usury, gambling, alcohol, sexual “liberation”/pornography, and again, just scratching the surface, are pushed and promoted by liberalism. Take a seat, we have some hard questions to ask you, too. (They also have to cope with the fact that Christianity is absolutely haemorrhaging followers and believers, by blustering about how the Internet is the worst thing to happen to Islam. As if Islam isn't the fastest growing religion - by conversion, not just birth; not only is it the fastest growing, it's the ONLY major world religion that is actually experiencing a net increase - by both conversion and birth. But hey, when my opponent's head is in the sand regarding how bad a job they're doing convincing people of their false ideology, why should I remove it for them? I can only deliver the message of the truth, and I leave it to God to guide the sincere ones to that truth. And to all the liberals who thought liberalism would be so compelling if people simply had wider access to information, it's nice watching your Pikachu faces as you realise, “wait, I'm just as molded and shaped by my upbringing and schooling as I thought these dumb uneducated backward savage religious people were (especially the brown ones)? Wait, my beliefs weren't just so obviously true that anyone who is exposed to them adopts them? Wait, I actually have to argue my case?”.)
Buddha literally discovered the way for humans to end their suffering from greed, hatred and ignorance, and to become morally pure with the seeds of original sin removed, and you say he didn't do anything?
I love how most of the complaints against Jesus boiled down to the objector not being adult enough to accept hyperbole, idioms and other types of obvious wordplay. Jesus spoke in parables for that reason i guess 😂
As the objector a.i argued, hyperbole might not be the best tone of speech for giving a moral lesson, when the speech itself uses racial slurs or apparent harsh insults. This complicates the message when the lesson is written in a specific context within a specific moment in history, and then expecting all readers from all cultures and all languages to understand that lesson, that was given in specific jewish cultural context. Its not that the a.i is not 'adult enough,' its that the a.i questions apparent harsh speech from a neutral reader's perspective. The only way that a christian interprets Jesus' speech as hyperbole and a profound lesson, is if the christian's biased view of Jesus already paints him as sinless, therefore, its impossible for a christian to view Jesus as racist, discriminatory or harsh against a canaanite woman. On the contrary, a neutral and un-biased reader clearly sees a contrast between Jesus' all-loving speech, with the apparent racist or harsh speech against a caananite woman.
@@jared02jso even outside of being loving or unloving, the Jesus character in the Gospel does this kind of wordplay all the time. Not understanding that before going into the books means that you don't understand Jesus, let alone cultural context. The Jews asked "what can we do to work the works of God?" And Jesus' replied by telling them to do something that isn't actually counted as work, Christ spoke in parables so the listening audience doesn't get what he's meaning. So much of the Jesus character is him toying with themes, people and perceptions. He said provocative things about swords and eating his body, allowing the listening audience to lose their cool so far as it pleased them. "but ma racism and harsh speech" makes me think this person shouldn't be reading such an adult book.
@@tea-he8ei thats precisely the problem with alleged divine messages from jesus, buddah, or mohammed. Each culture expects all cultures to understand the specific culture the message is coming from in order to properly interpret or understand the message. Thats ok for studying subjects in culture, history or philosophy. But for a 'divine message,' these requirements defeat the purpose of a divine message. I do however, understand jesus, since I was raised as a christian and i understand the interpretations given by christians/scholars to Jesus' messages. All this though, the process of learning a specific culture at a specific time, to understand and properly interpret an alleged divine message, defeats the purpose of a 'divine message,' when humans from different cultures and even the same culture can interpret that message differently, come to different conclusions, and act upon those conclusions. My point is, the fact that people all around the world, in order to understand a 'divine message,' have to study the culture that originates the message before hand, interpret, reinterpret, update according to modern standards, special plead, then defend and put faith upon the message when the book/message/messenger don't have substantial evidence to support their claims, shows that these messages are just, human ideas and philosophies that have to be updated to be accommodated to modern moral standards.
17:59 ☸🧘♂ I don't think any other religious leader encouraged people to question and understand their own teachings like Buddha did. This is one of the key reasons why Buddhism is different from other religions-there's nothing to follow blindly. Buddha invited people to 'Come and See' for themselves. He never claimed to be a god or said, 'I am your only savior, the one who decides your fate, so worship me.' Instead, he taught, 'No one else can save you; your savior is yourself. I have simply given you the map to end this cycle of suffering' (in modern terms, to escape the matrix) and to reach the ultimate state of 'Nirvana'.'"
There is plenty to follow blindly in Buddhism. The worst example is probably that you can never tell yourself what stage of enlightenment you are on, so you have to rely on the judgement of the enlightened... but wait, there is no foundation. So yeah, you have to blindly believe in the three jewels- actually, that's a requirement for enlightenment lol So Buddha did more or less say "I'm your only saviour"
As a Christian, Christianity does something similar. Jesus gives you the choice to trust and love him. In the Bible, Jesus doesn't go around yelling, obey me, or burn in hell. Instead, Jesus does miracles showing people he is God and its their choice to trust him or not.
@@TheDiaryOfAChristian The first answer is yes, we are the saviors of ourselves. For the second answer, no, we aren't gods. I have often heard people say that Buddha taught there isn't any god, but that's incorrect. Buddha spoke of heaven and hell, but he said those things are impermanent.(which means you can't be there permanently) He explained that everything is part of a cycle, or in modern terms, a matrix. He provided us with the map, including valuable theories (Like Four Noble Truths , The doctrine of causality , Impermanence,...) to escape this cycle and achieve the supreme state of Nirvana
@@lilemont9302 I don't know where you learned about Buddhism, but if you become enlightened, you will know it. Also, trust and blindness are different-trust is essential in this journey because we have not experienced enlightenment yet. It's more about trusting the path rather than blindly following it, just like how we learned letters and other things from a teacher when we were very young. If we hadn't trusted the teacher at that age, we wouldn't have learned anything about letters or other subjects.
Bro you need immediately to add some Chinese AI as some of the judges, it may be more skeptical and less inclined to agree so much with Christianity. I think this because AI is trained based in humans and local patterns, so of course it will be more like to agree with our opinions. Bad news is, I personally did not found any slightly good Chinese text AI :/ And do a video on a Protestant Christian vs Catholic Christian Or Catholic Orthodox vs Catholic Roman. It will be interesting.
Eduardo, i was thinking the exact same thing, so i added these models that were trained on Chinese and English data: Yi Large, DeepSeek Coder V2 and Qwen 2. That said, Qwen 2 was extremely critical of the Buddhist position. Go figure.
@@Al-aql Islamic cope in full effect. As usual, no refutations to anything said in the video. Just 14 year old cheerleaders with no actual arguments. lol
15:50 must be contextualised with ancient Indian patriarchy?? Bruh ancient Indian Hindu societies allowed female saints to recite Vedas and to be in Ashrams, Rig Veda even mentions female Warriors plus it's written in Pali language, the Pali script and culture associated with it is originate from Eastern India where sects like Shakism is prevalent where Gods are worshipped as female deities so that excuse of ancient Indian patriarchy is completely factually wrong.
@@ChristAnswers1 I mean that there was no patriarchy in Buddha's time in ancient India, a better argument could be that later corruption of Indic societies in 15th, 16th century or sometime post 10th century Hinduism Buddhism and Indic religions got corrupted for that brief period and social evils like Patriarchy, the infamous caste system got incorporated into the ancient text during that period but later on reformist addressed these issues and corrected those corruptions. So calling Buddha patriarchal or Ancient India patriarchal is factually wrong, those were the outcome of corruption of ancient Text in various copies written much later on. Indian Society is as old as 3000 - 2500 BCE so by the time of past 10th century it was already 3000 plus years old and way past it's Golden age was in declining period so ancient philosophies got misinterpreted, distorted and corrupted by various factors like social subversion of western colonialist to help in conversions or Islamic Invaders trying to conquer the land or by few Greedy people in power and authority.
I'm not keen on the Buddhist pursuit of freeing people from suffering and desire. This seems like a fundamentally anti-life philosophy based on negative utilitarianism rather than embracing the struggle of being part of the multi-generational project that is life
Wouldn't the same argument be used for christians. The Christian teaching of 'all humans are sinful in their nature' could also be interpreted the same way?
@rugvedkawatkar2785 I'm not Christian either so 🤷 I know the gnostics and certain Christian cults lean into anti life mentalities. As far as the everyone is sinful thing though, I don't know if that is an anti life statement. No one is perfect, or at least very few people. Can you point to a person that has never done something wrong? Never made a mistake? Never acted out of a vice? "He who is without sin cast the first stone" we all sin, none of us are perfect, but that's okay isn't it? As long as we love our fellow man and try to do the right thing?
I would suggest doing a debate between different denominations within a religion like: Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant for Chrisitians; Sunni and Shiite for Muslims; and Theravada, Mahayana and Vajrayana for Buddhism. The questions can be about who God is (or who the Buddha was for Buddhism) how can you be saved, and are the other members of the denominations truly part of your religion
Jesus Christ of Nazareth is my Lord and my God and one day my eyes will see Him as He is. Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and look at My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!” -John 20: 27-28 Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is. -1 John 3: 2 Jesus Christ is coming soon. Have you asked Jesus to forgive you of your sins and save you from hell? Today is the day of salvation (2 Corinthians 6:2). God bless you all.
Curious... do you think it's okay to respectfully scrutinize the moral actions and teachings of revered leaders?
What topic would you like to see next?
Also, this discussion included Krisha and Moses but it made the video much too long, so I trimmed it to three :/
I will include Hinduism and Judaism in some upcoming video though, perhaps a look at views of the afterlife, idk.
It's imperative that we do.
And I would like to see the five proofs for God to be debated.
Yes. We absolutely do. These people are said to have been divine or divinely inspired. They are supposed to be the moral examples for all time.
Thus, their words and actions should hold up for all time as well. Not merely the period of time they were living in.
please keep doing it, if you're living in a free country
Just a idea:
It would be fun to see a debate between two AI Christian or Muslim with one being more rationalist and the other being more mystic
In another word a debate between a Christian with mystic interpretations (like the Eastern orthodox) and Christian with rationalist interpretations
The same can be done with Islam
Why no Judaism seen as it is the third Abrahamic faith ?
Notice how the Christian and Buddhist were able to be contextualize their exemplars' teachings in a timeless and insightful manner with ease, while the Muslim had to make excuses for Muhammad being a product of his time...
Yeah same here..
How old was Mary when she married Joseph?
It matters on the question , if we cite buddhist law stating to beat wives or women are devils or OT saying commanding rape , i am sure you will have to make excuses for that
I think the general marrying age for girl at the times was 14 @@shottathakid1898 someone can prove or dismantle
Psalm 137:9 “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks” ,
I like how the islamics ones always try to justify that "it's normal *at that time."*
Exactly if something is normal doesn't mean it is right
And if it was normal was not right then Muhammad as a messenger of God he should teach that child marriage is wrong but he engaged in it too😂
How can he be messenger of God
Does god justify child marriage 😂😅
@@sanjeevshukla3509the child marriage, with Aisha and him is not even true. There are many other Hadiths, which are authentic too and deny the age of aisha of 6-9 years old.
In one hadith for example it says she was on battlefields, which a child couldn't go at that time. Or another says, that she was the same height as Mohammad, which also contradicts the theory of she being a child at that age.
@@Dragwlya777 9 years is still consider a child
@@Dragwlya777 can you show them
@@sanjeevshukla3509 Book 8, Hadith 21 - it is reported that she leaned on his shoulder, which would not be possible for a child unless, for some reason, she was already over approximately 160 cm tall at the age of 9.
Regarding her participation in battles - Hadith Sahih al-Bukhari and his biographies.
There are further inconsistencies when looking at the age difference with her sisters and the accounts of her birthday, but that would be too much to go into here.
I mean, the whole matter is similar to if I started criticizing the story of Rebecca in Christianity without considering other relevant points.
Many internet agitators are doing the same thing right now with other Quranic verses, claiming they glorify violence, without understanding the context in which the verses were revealed
Ai opinion on Jesus: You're the best
Ai opinion on Buddha: You're also the best
Ai opinion on Muhammad: Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh idk man.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
what even funny is that the christian and buddhist AI also use "at that time context" language but have completely different response because the initial question is just too problematic
"Ehhhhhhhhhhh idk man your kinda sketchy...."
@@AdeTri-pu7qi there is no context behind massacre of 7th century qureshi tribe and 20th century kurdish tribes.
@@romecat yes there is, because qureshi is not the victim of massacre, the muslim is, qureshi always trying to eliminate them and along side with jews asking any power to join them to eliminate muslims, muhammad never start a war or massacred any arab tribes after muslim win the battle, you can read history if you want, don't depend on me to tell you
Islam been real quiet since this dropped
Since when does the act of submission to God speak
@@official.m-16 since when it was only pretended
Yall constantly speaking your backward shit
If only... 😮
The Muslim AI converted to Christianity after the debate.
Lol 😂😂😂
This made my day
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hahaha 😂😂
(Police be upon him)
pdfile muhammed police be upon him
Seems like the only way to get a straight answer from a Muslim
Still didn't because Ashia was 9. The average age if marriage in the area at that time was 14. Islam literally has rules for marrying girls that haven't started their periods. It wasn't based on maturity. It was based Muhammad being a pedophile and Allah rushing to accommodate him.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That’s crazy lol
Nah, the current Dawa guys (Mohammed Hijab, Ali Dawah, Daniel Haqiqatjou) provide a similar argument... but more abhorrently than an AI.
😂😂😂
Christ is king, Buddha is a moral teacher, Mohammad…well, I don’t want my comment to be removed by yt
Christ and Buddha are the true teachers. There's a reason that both religions are succesful, meanwhile Islam is bombarded with tons of deserved hate.
muhammad is a political and societal leader than just religious leader, there i write it down for ya
@@AdeTri-pu7qinice joke . He was a pirate not some political leader . He wasn’t part of any politics
@@Abdool-slayer666 💯 if he were alive today, he’ll be in the death row of a maximum security prison
Buddha renounced the idea of god
Muhammad really took a L in this video
He takes an L in real life also. 600 years after Jesus and a far worse example of morality.
@@derekroberts1693 So why are you not following Jesus example????????
@@keksi6844 What are you talking about?
@@keksi6844how do you know he or she isn’t or is?
This a Sunni source whole argument collapse if there is a shia Muslim
"It was normal at the time" 😂 great moral example for all time 👍
Also all the sources we have on that are Muslim sources. And if you disagree with Mohammed on anything you have left Islam. And apostasy is connected with death punishment.
How do you know what AI is saying now will not going to change in future?
Even though i don't believe in the saying that the prophet married aisha when she was 9, i can see why ppl falsified this hadith and made it up like this, as early as 1800s the age of marriage was 12 years old for women , so it's not too far to say that 1400 years ago it was 9 years old.
@@benrex7775it's sunni muslim sources not the whole muslim, most muslims do not believe this.
@@galifrey6214 if a Muslim would make up something about the prophet, it would have been something positive not something negative don’t you think?
Also, it’s in multiple books
If a girl got married at 12 in the past it was to a 16 yo boy not to a decrepit elderly man and not at 9
I love how the AI just didn't even address. The fact that Muhammad is supposed to be the perfect moral example for all men for all time, And that regardless of the time periods still shouldn't have been engaging In marriage with a child. It's almost like it's indefensible or something.
I wonder What do you understand when say the world 'child'?😊
@@Why_Am_I-Here01 I think you know exactly what I mean, Do you think it's OK to do this with a 9-year-old? When you're supposed to be the perfect moral example for all people of all time.
Oh I guess you really didn't understand my question.did you ? I asked what a child is.@gnos1s171
And now I have another question, have you ever researched why Islam's prophet married Ayesha? Do you know about libido age of a man and woman in that time? Do you know the people mature way differently in different types of places and conditions?
Another question for you @@gnos1s171
Do you know, morality, ideology and maturity, are completely different from one individual to another depending on different conditions and circumstances?
One's morality is imposed on the other because the person who is imposing his morality is more powerful than the other. Similarly the western morality, ideology, freedoms 🦅 are imposed on other countries.
Like if someone betrays me or cheats me, I will give them a miserable life. Or even kill them later, but the law will not let me do it. So law's morality is imposed upon me even though I don't like it. So what do you think is moral justification? Or is there any moral justification in this world?
You have got a conscience and an intellect, not to believe anything or anyone blindly , without researching. Don't believe in everything you hear or see, if a person thinks more emotionally than logically and rationally, he will be in big trouble. These situations are used to do these things to people like manipulating, gaslighting, blackmailing and many more.
@@Why_Am_I-Here01 well, depending on the place the age someone is considered an adult is usually someone 16-18 (hence, why the age of consent in some places in America is as low as 16) so let's go with the minimum here and say 16 is an adult, So sixteen is my answer on The minimum age of what's considered an adult, And i'm pretty sure a nine year olds Labido, even at that time isn't developed enough, And regardless, if that's the case, then that means what Muhammad did and the morality of his actions is dependent on time period and means he isn't the moral example and ethical example for all people to follow for all times which is what Muslims claim, If he was then conditions of people in that time period don't matter. 🙃 It really is as simple as that. Don't try to act like you can just have it both ways.
Another case of the Internet being the worse thing to ever happen to Islam
very true. the devil hates when information is open and not repressed with his minions.
@@alansokelisatruehero8520how many christians are still going to the sunday church? Why is the Catholic church associated with pdfleia?
The internet is the worse to ever happen to religion in general
@@Dragwlya777 So was muhammad
Christian copium is so insane , like christianity is already dead with millions leaving every year and you here are coping ? Look at any research on the matter of religious conversions , example take PEW , christianity is losing 66 million and islam is gaining 300k in conversions by 2050
So basically all the Muslims argument is it's historicly acceptable at that time 🤦♂️
okay you do realize this is an ai bot. it does not represent the entire religion of Islam.
If you had listened carefully, it actually answered pretty well. We take rulings from the Quran and Sunnah, and the ruling regarding marriage according to Islamic teachings is that, a person must reach the age of puberty with the primary signs of puberty, and at in the old times, the age of maturity was the same as the age of puberty, so when a person reached puberty, they were considered adults, meaning fit for the consummation of marriage (which was the case for Aisha, and the rest of the world, including Christian and Jewish law). And due to the social and environmental changes around us, a person who reached puberty is not mentally mature, and Islam emphasizes on the second condition, i.e., mental maturity to make a decision for themselves. So, the age of marriage is higher in Islam nowadays, but is still defined by simply a number rather their physical and mental maturity, just like before.
In a nutshell, there are two assumptions that people make to accuse the prophet, the present biological and mental conditions were the same at all times and everywhere, and secondly, misrepresenting the argument we are making, through saying that, "it was socially acceptable at that time, therefore it was morally right", but that is far from the case.
@@Lodemite
No
But it does tell us the flaws that this cult of a religion has
@@codium-pkMohammed’s actions were medieval and contrary to today’s times. His actions are reprehensible and do not stand the test of time. The words of Jesus do however and its plane for everyone to see. Most people are too scared to challenge Muslims because they scream and yell and use the islamaphobe card because they’re unable to defend their viewpoints properly.
@@codium-pk so is it ok that a 53 year old man deflowers a 9 year old girl ? 9 years is nowhere near a mature woman xD the hadiths say she played with dolls and they had to feed her more so she would become a bit bigger xD bruh
The Muslims seeing this video: *Everything in this video is false, because this is from a western source.*
@@MarketsDriveTheWorld Do me a favor and speak better English, because I barely understand your message.
Nah. It just forces a Western moral stand point.
For example it says that gender equality is a fundamental moral truth.
That is the biggest joke I heard.
If Islam fails that, it means it is in line with reality
@@johnlove2954 So you don’t think that both genders are allowed to have equal rights? Do you perhaps live alone and haven’t spoken with or touched a woman since you were a child?
@@johnlove2954 yes, those western standards regarding equality of all humans and objecting to slavery and child SA 😂
I mean, that is a relevant point to make. Especially when dealing with morality, setting the standard by a particular frameworks sources will lead to some biases.
Damn ain’t nobody gonna beat Jesus Christ in his sinlessness and spotlessness💪👍
Telling slaves to endure the suffering of their master
The romans sure beated him
@@miguelatkinson if you read more into Ephesians 6:5-9 Paul says "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.
Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free. And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him." If I knew that and still treated a slave I owned horribly how am I gonna say “ I love Jesus” at that point I’m honoring Jesus with my lips but my heart will be far from him and when judgement comes Jesus will say “depart from me I never knew you”
Ps this is the ESV Bible btw so there’s no they, thou, thy and older English but modern.
@@rigby3620 yes sir all the lashings to where his skin looked like ripped paper , spitting, name calling, mockery, being beat by everyone around him and having to be hung on a cross dying a excruciating death in front of his mom. All of that Jesus Christ endured so we can have peace to God through him Jesus. Fun fact the word excruciating came from the word crucify. Whenever Jesus wanted to 72,000 angels could have wiped everyone out and the whole world. But Jesus allowed himself to go through all that for us. Like in John
15:13, where Jesus teaches His disciples about the depth and magnitude of true love. He says
"Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends." so in the greatest act of love Jesus died for our sins. All we have to do is accept the free gift of salvation and by salvation to eternal life through Jesus and accept Jesus Christ into our lives.
Muhammad kinda got bodied tbh
Duh
hmm a 2 sinless beings vs a pedophile.
Without lies Islam dies
Ok dogs
I wonder why... BECAUSE THEY TOOK A the most different thing from liberalism and put it there
Dang, I feel bad for the Muslim A.I.
Trained to defend the indefensible. A losing battle, even for a computer.
The computer has no feelings. Feel bad for the followers of the false prophet not the computer.
@deskcharity2869 Considering Jesus a false prophet is considered heresy in Islam.
@@AndrewFischer-sz5cb Islam Self-Destructs with their own argument.
@deskcharity2869 nice try, but as you can see, the AIs have excelled in defending Christianity over Islam. In the other videos, Christianity has even outperformed atheism.
@@remylebeau7258who are you to be able to call someone else false? Do you know their full circumstances and context? Or are you perhaps a good judge of character to just be able to tell on the spot?
Even Robots dislike Islam😂
Still it's the
Second largest
Fastest growing
and soon will becoming the largest religion in the world.
Cry more😂
@@NooR-zp5lf in your dreams
@@Lofeupsidedown cry more 😂
That's the proof that Islam is the antichrist. @@NooR-zp5lf
@@NooR-zp5lfhm, isn't there something in revelations about this...
the score is -18 for muslims,25 for buddism and the winnner 29 for christianity
On Judgement day it will be Allah that makes final decisions not AI or a Jesus.
@@keksi6844
False religion is so easy to expose.
From the Torah nearly 3500 years ago .... 💯
What is the personal NAME that Almighty God gave his faithful prophets Isaiah, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Moses, Noah, Joseph, Elijah, King David, Yeho-shua, and Yehōnātān the Baptist?
(Psalm 135:13) 💯
[Your name, Yahweh, endures forever; your renown, Yahweh, throughout all generations.]
Arab jealousy is the foundational to Islam, envious of Judaism ✡️ and Christianity.
The only miracle of the Quran (and Islam) is that many people still believe that it is a miracle. Sadly 😥
Without LIES Islam ☪️ DIES. 💯
Flee 🏃♀️ from the utterly ridiculous lies of Pagan Islam ☪️ and the moon Deity 🌙.
Sha'lom Aleichem in Christ
Hallelujah-Praise Almighty Jah you people.
@@keksi6844John 3:16, its not too late to repent and turn to Jesus
This AIs simply reflect what is the majority of writings on these subjects. In a way it shows that Christianity is the religion that has paved the way for technology - if islam had «owned» 90% of the content fed into the AI, the judging would probably gone in another direction. That said, the judgement is correct😀 But I wonder what would had happened if Jesus would be challenged on marriage?? Or hell?? I bet Buddha would be better off in this contest (although Christ is of course still correct)
@@GolfnMoreclips Dont talk about stuff you have NO CLUE.Yahweh name was given to Moses NOT Abraham or others.
You are one that lies,not Islam.
Put the Sam Shamoun algorithm and the Muslim AI will self destruct
Lol
Put Muslim Metaphysician and Sam Shamoun will run (lore accurate)
@@Servant.Of.TheMost-Merciful the guy jay dyer destroyed ? 😂
@@ldptwltslstsaokda1760 Jay Dyer got cooked so bad bro said "3 little "g" gods like what?! Christans can only lie about Islam and not defend themselves that's why Rashid and Robert got cooked by Daniel and Jake on the OT
Yeah, the AI does a terrible job capturing the actual theological truths of Christ's teachings. Sam does a great job explaining and has helped many have a deeper understanding.
lsIam:
no no no - you have to understand … it was a DIFFERENT back then and allah changed his mind (abrogation)
Christianity:
I am the SAME yesterday, today and forever - God
So when Jesus ordered all the toddlers, cattle, women and men to be executed in Samuel, he's still that guy? Good to know.
@@waddafuqq335when did Samuel go to the new testament from the old testament.
@@munachisoononuju3130 When did God change his mind since the old testament? and was jesus not god back then? If that's what you believe, then he never was and never can be God, so you're a Muslim, congratulations.
What fid Jesus said about slavery?
@@munachisoononuju3130 so the God of the old testament is different from the god of the new testament?
The justifications given for the massacres and child marriage were sickening
Yes.
it was justified, also go ahead and give your neck a break from holding up that head of yours-clearly, you’re not using it for any deep thinking and just enjoy making snap judgments. Clearly, you're an expert judge, right? Lol. And please, stop using modern American 'moral' standards to critique everyone who’s ever lived. It just highlights how limited your perspective is.
Christ is King.
Amen
Amen
Amen
Amen
@@Mrdeanop2 ok ai worshipers who worship a man that calls you a dog.
24:08 As a Christian, I have to correct the Christian AI on this point. "But asserts her worthiness of God's mercy." It might just be misunderstanding the phrasing, but Jesus, Himself, will assert that there is not one that is good, quoting from Deuteronomy. That is the infinite love and compassion of God at work. We *don't* deserve His love and mercy, but He gives it anyways. But just as He is infinite in love and mercy, He is infinite and perfect in righteousness and justice. He will judge us for our sins and we will pay for our sins. BUT in His mercy and love, He gave us His Son to die in our place, that whosoever places their faith in Jesus' death and resurrection and promise of salvation, we, too will be saved.
"We don't deserve his compassion or love" is regarded as omnibenelovenet so by his own very nature we do deserve his compassion and love
@@miguelatkinson deserving =/= innately given. Saying "we deserve gravity" doesn't make sense.
@@10054well, its also important to recognize that the Bible was not originally written in English. So the words we use to make sense of the Bible may not make much sense in comparison to words that were used in the original language. Especially because the bible uses a lot of hyperbole and metaphors that can be hard to understand for readers who don't have historical literacy
I think the AI said this based on the setting of the parable not on the real value. The children are also not worthy of mercy in reality but in the parable context, they seem to.
Why? No one really cares lol
Even AI cannot defend islam, islam issa hot mess
Did we watch the same video? Christan defense was shit
@@Servant.Of.TheMost-Merciful it most totall was not, i wonder why islam got the least bots on its side
@@LevitheLibrarian the entire Christan defense was "oh yeah, he wasn't being serious" like no shit these bots are gonna be on Christian side the arguments were chosen by the bias channel owner
@@Servant.Of.TheMost-Merciful No. Hyperbole is need for teaching. Its good to describe. Jesus said that accepting the truth will lead to division because there are people who defend lies (thats the sword). iT DOES NOT MEAN HIS NOT SERIOUS AT ALL HE TRY TO DESCRIBE WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
@@CasualStreamerSerpent sure hyperbole is fine and all but this is why the argument of the AI is flawed as many people come and misinterpret scriptures such as the time Romans burned Jews while reciting John 15:6. And Matthew 15:26-27 defense was bad too.
Christ is King. Buddha is a good friend and teacher who reminds us of virtue, righteousness, and compassion.
I believe God sent Buddha to preach his teachings so that the morals of Christianity in the East develop alongside the West.
@@flying0possum That's not true.
@flying0possum
Kinda true. After all, it is said that Budhha prohesied that a "better god" whose "feet were nailed" would come after him.
Doesn't make Buddha right, but I believe God can use even those who don't align with Him to do His Will. After all, if you, as an all-powerful deity can never lose, then everything, even the opponent's moves, are an advantage.
Amen?
And Muhammad was a terrorist.
In terms of who these three are exactly:
You have Christ the King,
Buddha the Philosopher,
and
Muhammad the Terrorist.
Buddhism is more of a Philosophy than anything else since its mythology borrows alot from Hinduism.
@@thechristsknight7758 tell me you only heard this prophecy in a christian channel without telling me you only heard this prophecy in a christian channel.
What I got from this video is that Quran is a book that has many contradictions so you can basically cherry pick whatever interpretation you want and need at that point..
Most of the Quran is vague and repetitive.
Some of the contradictions can be easily solved. The chronologically later verses may abrogate the chronologically earlier verses. There are only two problems with that.
1) The Quran is not sorted chronologically, which means we have to look at non-quranic material to find out what abrogates what.
2) Muhammed was much more aggressive and violent later in his life. Which means the peaceful statements are probably abrogated.
Exactly. It basically goes like this: use the guidelines that seem the most convenient atm, but nothing here that the prophet did or taught is wrong. They changed because society changed, in part, but things that are clearly wrong for us, are not so for them; If these problematic practices came back in trend they'd be back to doing them without considering them wrong.
Name one
@@TarTheReal Did you watch the video?
@@nerine4188 i said name one from the Quran since you said Quran. Tell me two Quran verses that clearly contradict each other
I love how for Islam it just says "well think about the time" and ignores that a moral example does timeless good, and stays good till the end.
Crazy.
God bless, Jesus died for your sins
A god died for me? That. Means I am equal to him since we both are mortals
That's what Islam is built on: lying and justifying BS.
"Muhammad married a child" "It was normal at the time!"
"Muslims killed non-Muslims and turned female prisoners of war to sex slaves" "It was normal at the time!"
@@nlneth9 You have the intelligence of a newborn ostrich and a goldfish combined.
@@nlneth9 if you never sinned, then probably
@@nlneth9 if you are God, then yes, but you arent
I love how in Islam everything is about current times, current situation, etc etc. Christ is timeless and perfect throughout the ages while Islam has to lie to pretend that things were ,,necessary"
Christ is timeless but Moses isn't?
@@nomejest5919 Do you just put random words together and hope they make sense?
the difference between:
a god: jesus
a person: buddha
and a devil: muhammad
God*
The God Jesus
@@JesusisLord756 there we go
@@rashadwilliams552 The first historical mentions of a Jesus-like figure who preached unique variations of local Judaic tradition and came to die on a Roman cross come well over a century after his supposed death, under the name Christus, although satirical depictions of him in graffiti art date to earlier. The man the Jesus story was based after was most likely a charismatic Rabbi or conman, who gained a small cult following during his lifetime but remained relatively unknown and obscure for the decades proceeding his death, only inspiring a niche sect heavily mocked by the religious majority. Whatever the case, the only scholarly agreed upon events in this man's life would be his baptism and crucifixion, because of their presence in the very most ancient writing. Every thing else became blown out of proportion much later.
buddha is more than god...according to Buddhism there is no eternal god..but there are devas (high power being than human they enjoy luxury life and long life span) but after end of their karma they will also die...so buddha said no one greater than him...he is god for gods...
Muslim this y'all goat😭🙏
yes, he definitely is, your point?
@@user-wb1gs1jy5r he is not certified to be a GOAT
@@udayannath2520 he definitely is lol
@@user-wb1gs1jy5r brother he is a diddler
@@udayannath2520 he isn't.
As a Hindu, I must say, I would be very happy and open to listen to the teachings of Jesus and possibly learn from him and his life due to his emphasis on love, compassion and accepting the plurality of human existence even though I might not have faith in the theology of Christianity. I can't say the same for Muhammad unfortunately, as I would never even wanna see him other than using a time machine to go back and do you know what. Muhammad just did in Arabia what Genghis Khan did in Mongolia, the only difference being Genghis was a better conqueror and didn't persecute on the basis of religion.
Brahma graped his own daughter. Lol panjeet
If your heart is open to Jesus as you say, probably not only his moral teachings, but his Grace, will eventually enter your soul, which I pray for. The man was exemplar, but the God is truth and virtue itself. Have a good day sir!
@@creammycup2853Anything lol? First of all she wasn't his daughter, He created her. According to Islam, Allah created Jesus and Muhammad so are they his sons or creation? And he married his creation, grape is nowhere to be found here but only with what Muhammad did to Aisha at 9 years lol.
@@hindugramsci Muhammad (PHUB) married Ayesha(RS) . Ayesha (RA) wasn't his wife but if Muhammad does it then according to you guys it's barbaric and wrong? But if brahma does it then it's alright?
And iam sorry to say this. According to some sources. Yes saraswati was the daughter of Brahma not only his creation.
@@creammycup2853Because Aisha was a nine year old and Muhammad was a 50 year old man at the time of consummation. Whereas, God Brahma is a God who created a divine being and married his creation. There is no comparison between the two acts. What Muhammad did is possible for any pedophile today but what Brahma dev did can only be done by God.
Ngl if I was the lady explaining slavery and Jesus I would have used all of Ephesians 6:5-9 "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.
Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free. And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him."
Exactly.. I was waiting for the full context
Exactly. Also slavery in this case is bondservant. In other words someone who owes money to someone and is working off the debt. Not chattel slavery.
What people ignore is, Christianity actually DID phase out slavery, but the Islamic world was FORCED to end slavery by outside pressures.
@@ethanmoon3925 all the abolitionists were prominent Christians using Christian values to argue against slavery. Furthermore, "slavery" in the OT gives rules on how to treat your bondservant where before there was absolutely no rules. It's incredibly abundant how the bible elevates above society.
@@Penny-mb9mwHow do you know it's a bondservant and not someone that was simply bought? Buying slaves from other nations is allowed after all.
challengers of Christianity trying to prove god wrong without taking verses out of context challenge (IMPOSSIBLE!!!)
Deuteronomy 2:32-35 Good luck finding any context that would make this moral.
@@united_europe well God has control. over all, so he can decide what he does with his creation. like if you had stuffies or legos figures. you deicide what you do with them. so God isn't wrong for handing the nation to the isrealites.
@@united_europe
There's literally nothing wrong with it? It just emphasizes God's status as judge and avenger.
So what 'context' condones the acts commanded by Moses under god's direction in Number's 31:17-18?
@@united_europeSihon was a Canaanite king and Canaanites were wicked and God had advised the Israelites to drive them out of the Promised Land, so theyd on't defile the Israelites and make them sinful and adulterous just like them.
I don't think anyone could be surprised by this outcome.
ask AI about Jesus being the God in christianity thretning people with rape in OT
@@sabeehzor7058
Jesus is God
@@sabeehzor7058 You're such a troglodyte dude. Mud-slime
@@alpha-sd4px Capitalise the G in God!!
@@cuprince8569 Is this some new psychotic mud-slime talking point?
I like how the AI didn't even mention how the challenger ripped Ephesians 6:5 out of context- that would be too easy of a silver bullet and would avoid a deeper defense.
For anyone wondering just read through Ephesians 6. Its probably a 30sec to 1min read and it Immediately breaks down the moral ambiguity of the verse
Yes context is everything.
The term slave had a very different meaning in parts of the world and time in history.
@@GolfnMoreclips not what I was talking about, but yes that too
Sadly, Jesus never explicitly spoke against slavery and both the old and new testaments support slavery in their respective contexts.
The god of the old testament explicitly dictates how to poperly beat a slave so that it doesn't die. Makes 2 types of slavery conditions, one type of slavery for non-jews and one type of slavery for jews. You can guess which ethnic group got the "better treatment."
As Ephesians said, slaves should obey their masters and their masters should treat their slaves the same way. Yet, there is no apparent opposition to the practice of slavery itself, which is the owning of an another human as property. It also doesn't oppose buying or selling of slaves.
The fact that the old testament, jesus, the early christian writings nor the new testament canon oppose slavery, and just gives new rules to an immoral/inhumane practice, makes the bible a bad contender for moral law, and even worse, moral superiority.
Only through humanistic philosophies and reinterpretations of the bible, slavery was viewed as immoral in the Age of Enlightenment during the 1700's.
Thats why, the "Jesus' message was a ticking time bomb for slavery" argument falls appart, when the time it took for the ticking bomb to 'explode' was almost 2 thousand years later after Jesus' message. And when it also took 1 side of seculars/christians abolishionists vs literalist pro-slavery conservative christian factions to go to war in the U.S for slavery to be abolished. (Specifically in the U.S of course).
Thats also the problem when a supposedly divine message can be interpreted in countless ways. Proving that allegedly divine messages are just human opinion, that carry out human responses.
@@jared02jso
Humans made their bed they have to sleep in it.. when our first parents rejected Almighty Jah as their God refusing his leadership.
Wicked men and Satan rule this world.
Yeshua told Pontius Pilate his kingdom is not of this world. 💯
Almighty God allows suffering right now.
In the near future Lord Yeshua will destroy all wickedness, there will be no hurt or pain or violence.
What he said.
(Matthew 5:4-9)
[“Happy are those who mourn, since they will be comforted. 5 “Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will inherit the earth. 6 “Happy are those hungering and thirsting for righteousness, since they will be filled. 7 “Happy are the merciful, since they will be shown mercy. 8 “Happy are the pure in heart, since they will see God. 9 “Happy are the peacemakers, since they will be called sons of God.]
No one will be around who does Satan's bidding to twist Scriptures.
This is what Yeshua actually taught. 💯
Sha'lom Aleichem in Christ
Hallelujah-Praise Almighty Jah you people.
@@jared02jso I guarentee you if God said "I abolish slavery" in the ancient world with almost no concept of the individual and modern moral framework, it would crash and burn very quickly. The Israelites couldn't even handle the laws God DID give them, let alone somethings as controversial as abolitionism.
And I'd recommend re-reading the Gospels. If you take away from the literature that God is ok with slavery, then with all do respect, you need to retake a course in reading and literary comprehension
The buddha and jesus really teamed up to give a smackdown to Muhammed...
Bro you can clearly see this shit is rigged . Go ask ChatGPT and will be more with the Muslim argument and saying they had good explanation. This video is manipulated to make Muslim look bad . The ai Muslim had extremely good argument and the challenger ai did not go to the really bad things in the Bible . This shit is rigged
"Bad things can be said about all religious leaders except the Christ"...
"The worst thing they can say is that he was a good man"
I would love to see one done between Christian and a Jehovah’s Witness.
That would be abuse to the AI doing JW 😂😂
@@erlinghaaland5392 I think it would be good, because JW’s refuse to debate. I don’t know if their beliefs hold up to scrutiny or not. It could be actually good to hear.
@@racingfortheson It's really obvious that their beliefs don't hold up, if you look into it.
I think Mike Winger has a few good videos about them, check it out.
As an ex jw and now Christian it would be interesting. They don't really publicly show their theology and keep in books like "insight on the scriptures" which you can only get from a congregation for example. With a half dozen false prophecies, proveable twisted Bible translations (like John 1:1) and a complete ignorance and arrogance on history while claiming the church invented the belief of Jesus being God with no historical evidence to support the claim
The J Ws, 7th day, and Mormons, used to do debates. 100huntly street broadcast lots of them through the 70-80's but they got HOSED in the debates. Proven as a cult. So it's no wonder they don't do them any more @racingfortheson
yeah muhammad doesn’t stand a chance against Jesus .
When the channel owner is bias of course you'll win😂
@@Servant.Of.TheMost-Merciful it’s not bias , Muhammad is in hell , he killed ppl Jesus didn’t .
Would u follow a killer or someone who didn’t?
@@Servant.Of.TheMost-Mercifulcope harder
@@Sweeti924 how am I coping lil bro this guy is a Christian of course he isn't gonna bring good arguments against Jesus, you're just denying a fact
@@Sweeti924 he ain't coping, you are, you meatrider.
Yo I can’t wait to see how this channel progresses as we see rapid AI progression.
Round 3, Racial Slur, completely missed the point. First, Jesus didn’t call the woman a ‘dog’. The woman was not from Israel. Jesus was only ministering to Israel at the time, that change later on. The woman’s daughter was possessed and she was going to an idle to pray for her daughter to be healed. On the way she heard of Jesus and decided to ask him for help instead. When she asked Jesus for help he replied “It is not fair to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
Note: children, bread, and dogs: which is also plural by the way.
Refer to: Israel, Jesus’s teachings, and the woman.
He was no more calling the woman a ‘dogs’ anymore than he was Israel ‘children’ or his teachings physical actual ‘bread’. It was the way he taught people.
The challenger for Islam was just.. wow
The judgements are so biased , why dont bring up the buddhism laws of beating wives or the OT passages commanding rape ?
Psalm 137:9 “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks” , cite this to AI and see christianity die
@@sabeehzor7058 It’s a song, sung by captured slaves that were forced to sing by their captors on their march into captivity. Their children and friends had just been killed, their homes burned, and their possessions taken. It’s a song filled with heartbreak, anger, and raw emotion. It’s a song, not an ordinance or command.
It’s a Psalm. All of them are rich and emotional, as they wrestle with life, God, joy, and pain.
@sabeehzor7058 hello I'm sabeehzor7058 I'm going to waste my time on RUclips typing in people's comments cuz I'm bored and pissed at people who don't agree at me
@@sabeehzor7058before or after the song, it says "happy is the one who does to you what you've done to us!" the singer is saying that this is what's being done to them
The AI defending Islam sounded like it was trying so hard not to laugh
pretty sure there's hadith about woman beaten until green narrated by Aisha
Most likely it doesn’t exist. If it does, it's made up.
There is and Muhammed didn't condemn the man for doing it. He actually rewarded the man intercourse with the beaten woman before she could divorce him. What a cult.
reference please?
@@amatullahshahidi9503 Sahih al-Bukhari 5825 - Dress -
Rifa`a divorced his wife whereupon `AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. `Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) came, `Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" When `AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, `Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa`a." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa`a unless `Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet (ﷺ) saw two boys with `Abdur- Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that `AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "You claim what you claim (i.e.. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow,"
*Bro why did you kill my whole family and burned my house into ashes??*
Muslim AI : well in Historical context..........
"Islam adapts to modern laws"
Afghanistan: *NO*
Man the Internet is destroying Islam.
Joseph Smith has been real quiet since this dropped…
when the islamic AI said 'while we didn't abolish slavery, aimed to improve the conditions of slavery' and the verse does not help enforce this point at all got me. The strike argument against wives was also laughable. AI couldn't even save this one
@@Angel_Songbook I am surprised the fact that Muhammad had literal sex slaves and encouraged his followers to take sex slaves wasn't brought up in that point.
Nothing mention the fact that they are actively bringing slavery back. see: Libya
@@malkavthemad4249this Is an immense lie and I dare you to show me where he had sex slaves. Prisoners of war who you can have sex with if both parties agree so then she can be freed if pregnant or even a future wife or a Muslim revert later on. Are not sex slaves. That term doesn’t exist in Quran and Hadith.
@@Naimedclaiming🤦🤦
@@TihorSam nothing to say when confronted by a Muslim that actually read about Islam unlike you ignorants?
i almost cried so many times watching this video. Whenever I feel worthless, Im reminded that Im made in the image of God, and that my life has immeasurable value. Jesus Chris’s love is truly beautiful and I love how the AI can defend him.
same but im with Buddha and loved how the ai clearly knew its stuff
Watch it try to defend the old testament lmao. Even Chthulhu has a better track record
@@redbepis4600 do u wanna refer to a specific example in the old testament that is challenging to someone’s belief in Christ? I may not be an expert like the AI, but i know some stuff.
Jesus didn't explicitly condemn slavery? The sermon on the mound is all about condemning the existing view of the social hierarchy, including slavery.
Or: Matthew 20: 25-28
25 But Jesus called them to him and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. 26 It shall not be so among you. But whoever would be great among you must be your servant,[c] 27 and whoever would be first among you must be your slave,[d] 28 even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
It was more “slavery will happen, here’s how to live when it happens”
So Jesus was WOKE???
@@thegrunbeld6876 woke is more synonymous with Post Modernism and it's psuedo religions that anything remotely what Christ taught. YOUR woke is showing with that drivel.
@@thegrunbeld6876 Total opposite, he was 100% against virtue signaling. He actually openly admonished people guilty of it, like the Pharisees.
@@paulsacramento5995 he was woke, totally against addiction of money and wealth, and he loved equality.
I wonder who the imposter of peace is? It'll be tough to determine 😂
I wonder if you have even took the arguments into actual consideration or if you have any other knowledge on this subject beforehand.
@@G.T.9 I wonder if you're feeling conviction and called by the Holy Spirit of God to come to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ the promised Messiah and Savior of mankind.
I wonder why we all don't become agnostics and solve the problem 😂
@@G.T.9 imagine if the Muslim ai won then all the Muslims would come flooding in
@@rodney8075THAT WAS A BAR, amen brotha✝️
This was a bad lose for Islam 😂
ofc it is, it's called bias
@@hothdogor Islam is terrible morally. Islamic slavery, Islamic heaven is just a strip club, treatment of women/children. Morally, Islam is only challenged by atheism, and atheism doesn’t have moral objectivity
@@hothdoghow?
@@Anonymous_Knight don't know
Somehow the ai has bies and this Muslims dont
Islam never loses, but you will.
That story about Jesus and the Caananite women was to reveal her humility, not His superiority. At that time, many Jews were incredibly arrogant and Jesus utilized the Caananite woman ro make a point. Only immature, ignorant, stupid or evil people would think Jesus saw any of His beloved created humans as "dogs". Besides, the term of dog in reference to humans is more about humans acting in a feral manner and demeaning themselves as humans. Jesus doesnt view humans as dogs, not even when we deserve it.
This is a great answer.
There was more that could be said, such as Romans 10, 12-13 "For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile" and Matthew 8, 11 "I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven."... these are just a few. There's also the fact that Jesus teaches us to treat others as we want to be treated.
Mentioned Ephesians 6:5 but not Ephesians 6:9 😭
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.
9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.
lol that literally is Jesus saying you can have slaves but you have to treat them well
@@mozlemboi4690Nope
...and just like that you legalized slavery.
@@mozlemboi4690nope because Galatians 3:28 says “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Basically saying we are all the same and are perfected in Christ so there’s no slave nor free
@@mozlemboi4690In other words, contradicting current slavery and consequently disabling it and eradicating it over time? Because this "slavery" seems more like work than what was done by the colonizers, for example.
1:22 Islamic law adapts to changing societal laws ....this proves it isnt from God as God would have no need to change His lawful standards to keep in step with the worlds sensibilities since He is outside of time. He would likely only add new things or types of consessions that dont contradict the first standards given. His way would be right period where as islam changes to adapt as if it isnt right.
it never changes ,islam is for all times
the islamic view on the age of marriage is when a girl is mentally and physically mature
@@npcetsdx7310give me one islamic sacred text that claims the necessity of mental maturity or strict standards on physical maturity for marriage, don’t assume things due to your prior bias.. the main sign that makes a girl an adult in islam is menstruation, nothing more nothing less
Great point
Remind yourselves, people, it's without the hadith that Islam got so low score, imagine integrating the hadiths too
@@GeorgeTehGreek yep, they hardly ever talk about the Sahih Bukhari and the Sahih Muslim, absolutely abysmal what they teach…
@@UsernameUnavailable-r7j but the good thing is, they slowly see how stupid the quran and the hadith are, slowly but surely all of them shall see, hopefully, they'll come to Christ, but I know the truly evil ones will stay with Islam.
Islam is the religion of the sword, Buddhism is the religion of morality, and Christianity is the religion of God
Of course I can agree with Buddhism, Islam requires context, but yes it was spread by the sword to some extent. And yes Christianity is the religion of God, just be sure to remember that God sanctioned the killing of infants/children, women, and animals. But let’s not forget the many years of conquests, murder,and enslavement that Christians seem to act like never happened “The religion of God” would not exist today without those atrocities.
1:20
The bot is actually wrong, it doesnt change with society moral compass
It is well stated in Surah Al-talaq 65:4
"As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery.1 And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them."
This verse talks about divorcing women (which obviously means they were married and are allowed to do so)
And it mentions women who have not yet menstruated (little girls) (absolute red flag)
Muslims lie, even AI muslims
The verse makes no mention on intercourse even commentaries mention this. The Iddah is a general ruling for those who don't menstruate.
And what of Numbers 31:17-18 and the church allowing younger marriages at puberty or younger (if they reach "perfection" before the average time)? Are the early church fathers all pedos??
@@Servant.Of.TheMost-Merciful Show me Jesus’s toddler wife
@@scottydu81 show me where Muhammad (saw) whipped people or lied to his brother so he could go to a festival
@@Servant.Of.TheMost-Merciful Are you playing dumb? This verse talks about the waiting period or RE-MARRYING after having sex.
In another verse, if the person didn't have sex, they can go marry without a waiting period.
This waiting period was stablished to make sure a woman was not pregnant before marrying another man.
This was really good. Thank you for putting this together!
Muslims are going to riot over this one lol.
Its not that deep
I wish the Christian AI had gone further and discussed how, historically, Christianity and Chriatian ideals played a role in helping to end slavery and serfdom in Europe and eventually the world.
Also, I liked how the last question highlighted something I think all three religions have in common-the idea of how you change the world is to teach correct principles, change individuals, and as those individuals begin to change you let them lead by example.
Too often, political movements assume morality has nothing to do with any social problems, and try to change society to accommodate people's moral choices, good or bad.
What did Christianity have to do with ending slavery? You do realize chrsitanity does not condemn slavery? What pre modern Christian scholar condemned slavery?
@@nomejest5919 Christianity very obviously condemns slavery if you can read between the lines, the teachings of Christ like loving your neighbour as much as you love yourself and all people being equal under God would not be incompatible with slavery, and is why the Christians had a large part in dismantling slavery in the US, the Quakers, William Lloyd Garrison and John Brown were some of the very first in the US to rally against slavery, and they were of course all Christian and their points as to why slavery was bad was all to do with Biblical teachings. As well the British Empire ended slavery before the Americans and that was primarily done through William Wilberforce, another Christian wanting to end slavery for Biblical reasons.
@captainfirebug341 All people you mentioned are people who are colonial liberals who participated in the reformation of the church and liberal colonialism. They are not good examples. Give me examples from medieval period where there was no influence of liberalism of slavery being abolished. Also, being a slave does not mean one is unequal. It just means you are in the ownership of someone else. You still have equal value. For example, children are ownership under their parents, but they are still equal to their father and mother. Same thing here.
@@captainfirebug341 While you are not wrong to say that Christianity was partially responsible for the abolition of slavery, you are mistaken to believe that it helped in its “truest” form. Before this slavery was socially acceptable in many European/Christian nations. It usually fell under the label of serfdom, but in many cases, (ie; the new world) it was basically a fact of life. Slaves fell into either the category of non-Christian or non-European. John Brown might seem like a good example until you remember that he was killed in the very religious, conservative, and Christian part of the U.S, the south. It wasn’t exactly the ideals of Christianity, but the ideas of the Renaissance that shaped and gave birth to the ideal the slavery is wrong. The British Empire, on the other hand, did play a large part in removing slavery from most of its territory, but they simply replaced it with indentured servants from the Indian subcontinent, which is one of the main reasons why the Indian diaspora is the largest in the entire world. It’s rather interesting, you should go read about it, but I digress. While many people were against slavery for moral reasons, most of the ruling class of the Empire wanted slavery gone because it was no longer an affordable and profitable business.
We Christians and the Buddhist be chillen 🤝
Real
Tbh christians, buddhists, hinduists, atheists and other non religious, shintoists, they all are chill. There is only one religion with an active jihad today
There's a lie right at the beginning. Regarding the beating of wives: the 'lightly' has been added to all English translations. There is no lightly in the original Arabic.
Lightly comes from a hadith and explanation of the verse by Ibn Abbas , christians like you re so ignorant that it baffles me .IF muslims had to please the kuffars they could have also changed many other things , but they didnt , why ? because they dont care about you liking it or not
Even the AI has to devolve into using taqqyia when defending islam.
@@thetabletopskirmisher also the koran says if you fear disobedience, she doesn't even actually have to be disobedient.
Even the ai couldn’t defense Islam
Common Islam L 😭
Its crazy that I believe that a.i being truly more unbiased and emotionless makes the argument way more interesting
The Muslim A.I. always gets bodied
thank you for the idea of making insane API project using multi-Ai
bias ai with false information
You should do Catholic vs Orthodox vs Protestant
I fully agree. This ought to be really constructive
Finally, some serious progress!
catholic and orthodox would be the winners
@@whitey6317 yes
Christians showing discord among each other when the world is against them fulllz
I would like to see Judaism vs Christianity: is the Christian Christ the Jewish Messiah?
Yeah absolutely. As a Muslim we also believe Jesus to be messiah. I would really want to include Muslim arguments that Jesus is the messiah
@@InsideTheMindMaps Unfortunately the Muslim Jesus doesn't compute well with the Jewish Messiah as described in the Tanakh. It would contradict a lot and lead to a very convoluted discussion.
I have studied Qu'ran but what comes to my mind constantly is Galatians 1:6-8:
"6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed."
@@InsideTheMindMaps what’s interesting is that Muslims have very similar beliefs to one of the earliest Christian sects when it comes to the nature of Jesus messiahship.
But today’s Christians mean something very different than what Muslims mean when they say Jesus is the Christ. Either way, both Christianity and Islam ignore the prophecies of the messiah and messianic age in Judaism.
@@antonioreid534well, the Jews have rejected Jesus as a messianic figure. Although Jesus Peace be upon him fulfils the prophecies to be the messiah. So the Jews rejected him and Made coalition with Roman kings of that time, to threaten and eventually crucify Jesus ( but we Muslims believe Jesus was saved from all of this torture and ascended to heaven). So in the end times Jesus is coming back. At that time there will be another figure the Antichrist. So misguided Jews will eventually accept the Antichrist and will go astray, as they did before. That’s the whole summary in Islamic sources pretty much.
@@InsideTheMindMaps Jesus literally doesn’t fulfill a single messianic prophecy.
This is just the successful PR of the church. And unfortunately Muslims have got themselves partially wrapped up in one of the biggest frauds on the planet.
There is nothing about the messiah being born a virgin, dying on the cross, being resurrected from the dead, drinking his blood, eating his body, or accepting him as the ultimate and final sacrifice for the remission of sin.
BIG L for muhammad 😂
Wow a AI based on western christian morality speaks good of christians , so suprising
Psalm 137:9 “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks” ,
@@sabeehzor7058not really, Islam is medieval and indefensible
@@sabeehzor7058 The nature of the verse
Psalm 137:9 is found in one of the Imprecatory Psalms (or Precatory Psalms) that speak of violence against the enemies of God. That verse reads, “Happy is the one who seizes your infants / and dashes them against the rocks.”
To “imprecate” means to “pray evil against,” and the imprecatory prayers in the Bible strike people today as strange or wrong. It is important to understand the context of this verse and others like it. The background is the Jewish people calling upon God to exact revenge upon their military enemies.
Psalm 137 is in the context of the Jewish exile in Babylon (Psalm 137:1) where they had been taken as slaves after the Babylonians burned down the city of Jerusalem. The Jews in exile were then told to “sing us one of the songs of Zion!” (Psalm 137:1), adding further humiliation and frustration to a defeated people.
The psalmist recalls both the disgraces of the Edomites (who looted Jerusalem) and the Babylonians who destroyed their capital city. He comes to two conclusions to end the psalm. First, he says, “Happy is the one who repays you according to what you have done to us” (Psalm 137:8). This cry for revenge desired the destruction of their enemies.
Then in verse 9, the psalmist adds further detail to this cry for revenge, claiming, “Happy is the one” who kills the infants of their enemy. The desire is graphically stated, but it is simply a call for the destruction of the entire nation-the nation that had enslaved the Jews, killed their babies, and destroyed their city. The destruction of Babylon was expressly foretold in Isaiah 13:16, and by referencing that prediction, the psalmist may mean to say that the men who were God’s instruments in carrying out that prophecy would be happy in doing His will.
If we keep in mind that the psalms are songs that express intense emotions, a statement such as “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks” should not shock us.
The writer did not intend to go out and kill babies; rather, he desired justice, which required the death of his enemies. Even today, those who have lost loved ones at the hands of others understandably desire the death of those who committed the crime.
We must be careful to interpret Psalm 137 in its historical context and apply it appropriately in connection with the full counsel of Scripture. It is a normal human desire to see justice done and for enemies to be defeated. However, Romans 12:17-19 commands, “Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: ‘It is mine to avenge; I will repay,’ says the Lord.” Psalm 137 is not a selfish prayer for personal revenge. It is a plea for God to intervene in the affairs of men to keep His covenant and right all wrongs.
The Proper Hebrew Meaning
Additionally, “happy” is an inaccurate translation of the Hebrew. The Hebraic Tanakh reads:
אַשְׁרֵ֤י ׀ שֶׁיֹּאחֵ֓ז וְנִפֵּ֬ץ אֶֽת־עֹ֝לָלַ֗יִךְ אֶל־הַסָּֽלַע׃
Psalm 137:9 Hebrew Text Analysis
אשר
The verb אשר ('ashar) generally indicates a decisive progression (Proverbs 4:14, 9:6) or a setting right (Isaiah 1:17). On occasion it's used in the negative (literally: Isaiah 3:12; leading someone "straight astray"), but most often it's positive. So positive even that this verb's secondary meaning is that of being or being made happy (Psalm 41:2, Proverbs 3:18), or even being deemed or called happy (Genesis 30:13, Job 29:11, Psalm 72:16).
Therefore the Hebrew implies: “How right it would be that the babies of the enemies should be dashed against the rocks, just as ours have been.”
It is not condoning infanticide, it is simply acknowledging that if such were to ever happen, it wouldn't be like they hadn't had it coming.
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Buddha is absolutely the best moral teacher humanity have ever seen , (ex muslim)
Jesus’ comment about Dogs had nothing to do with race
I feel like the Christian AI missed out on the stating the point of the parable Jesus was using with the woman: Jesus’ initial response was He was sent for the lost sheep (the Jews) reinforcing what is said throughout the New Testament. The Gospel was first to the Jew then to the gentile. It wasn’t that he was call her a dog nor was he calling Jewish people children. He was saying he was send to share the gospel to the Jews then to the gentiles with his limited time on earth in body. In the same way when you have limited food you first feed the children then the pets.
Great content, and very eye opening. Notice how the Christian AI never once resorted to "this horrible act was normal at the time", demonstrating how His message is truly timeless. It would appear that Jesus is King yet again.
Fun fact: The AI actually disregard Muhammad's actions and examples (aka Sunnah) as barbaric, outdated and archaic if you not directly mention him or hadiths😊
Based skanderberg
Im Christian but it interests me how the Church treated some things, like Galileo, martin, indulgences, and more
Search about these things. I was raised protestant, but then I figured I was trusting some things that were lies about the history of Christian nations, and it was very bad, since false testimony breaks one of the 10 commandments. So, since I wanted to re-learn history, I became unbiased and went to see the version of history from other sources, and it turns out that so many people commit grave injustice against Catholics. Specially when failing to compare them with other historical Christian communities around the same time, non Christian nations around the same time, and what actually happened, and how the Church reacted to what was happening.
Gradual process of phasing out slavery😂😂 AI really talks like a real muslim
It was trained on their points 🤷🏻♂️ indeed anyone accusing the Muslim ai of not being realistic has probably never heard this kind of debates.... Ai is just repeating.
I love how all the commenters are saying, “shouldn't a moral example be timeless?”, then critiquing Muhammad based on the social consensus of today's liberal morality, rather than actually laying out the case for today's morality.
The Muslim isn't saying, “nobody criticised him for that at the time” to mean, “morality changed between then and now”. Morality is the same, even society's moral beliefs are the same on this point; the Arabs were just as much against child marriage as you are - otherwise why wait three years?
The disagreement is clearly on what IS a child, and the Muslims are simply pointing out that if the people who knew Aisha best (i.e. those of her time & place) - and were just as much against child marriage as you think you are - didn't criticise the Prophet for marrying a child, what grounds do you have for thinking she was one?
But how can I expect you modern people to understand what a child is when you can't even understand what a woman is? Hint: both womanhood and childhood are defined by biology first and foremost, and psychology is also extremely important.
The AI even starts with, “how does Islam reconcile this with modern understandings of consent and child protection?”. A better question is: why should it? The modern understanding is wrong.
For a start, Aisha wasn't a child. For a second, there was literally no tangible harm that you even pointed to, so protection from what, exactly? Thirdly, in modern conceptions of consent, if you drive drunk, you're culpable, but if you have sex drunk, you're a rape victim; unless you're a man, and your partner was also drunk and a woman, then you're a rapist.
I mean, this is just scratching the surface. I could go into incoherency upon incoherency on modern understandings. But the liberal loves to place himself as the challenger, never the challenged. His moral precepts, this atheist liberal, come from on high.
The Christians in the comments have simply swallowed the presumptions in all these questions, imbibed the modern liberal moral trend of the day, then does all sorts of mental gymnastics to cope with the fact that their Bible literally talks about the “joys” of “dashing infants' heads against rocks”, and is 10 times more illiberal than Islam on any given topic that they like to point the finger at Muslims for.
The Qur'an constantly refers to a handful of good deeds as the best expiation for sins, freeing a slave being one of them, while the Bible says that the master who beats his slave half to death is not to be punished if the slave lives a day or two after the beating, “for he is his property”,
but to the insincere ones, they'll simply read their book in the most charitable way, even going so far as to do mental gymnastics, while often reading the Qur'an in the most disingenuous way through yet more mental gymnastics.
Islam outlawed all entrypoints into slavery except as prisoners of war, then when the liberal world order had to be pressured to do the same by the push of Christians and others of conscience and the pull of the industrial revolution - over a millennium later - they crow about how “Western countries were the first to outlaw slavery”; not only have they not done so, their exception for prisoners - same as Islam - extends beyond prisoners of war to just prisoners in general; read your constitution, Americans.
There are American states today that still have to pay reparations to _slaveowners and their descendants_, yet it's still controversial to talk about reparations for slaves and their descendants, and suddenly everyone wants to talk about responsibility. There are former colonies of France that are still forced to pay France - which to this day takes no responsibility for the horrors they committed - debilitating sums for the privilege of “not being colonised”.
Usury, gambling, alcohol, sexual “liberation”/pornography, and again, just scratching the surface, are pushed and promoted by liberalism. Take a seat, we have some hard questions to ask you, too.
(They also have to cope with the fact that Christianity is absolutely haemorrhaging followers and believers, by blustering about how the Internet is the worst thing to happen to Islam.
As if Islam isn't the fastest growing religion - by conversion, not just birth; not only is it the fastest growing, it's the ONLY major world religion that is actually experiencing a net increase - by both conversion and birth.
But hey, when my opponent's head is in the sand regarding how bad a job they're doing convincing people of their false ideology, why should I remove it for them? I can only deliver the message of the truth, and I leave it to God to guide the sincere ones to that truth.
And to all the liberals who thought liberalism would be so compelling if people simply had wider access to information, it's nice watching your Pikachu faces as you realise, “wait, I'm just as molded and shaped by my upbringing and schooling as I thought these dumb uneducated backward savage religious people were (especially the brown ones)? Wait, my beliefs weren't just so obviously true that anyone who is exposed to them adopts them? Wait, I actually have to argue my case?”.)
Mohammad was a warlord pdf. Buddha really didn’t do anything.
Jesus Christ sacrificed himself for all humanity to be free.
Buddha literally discovered the way for humans to end their suffering from greed, hatred and ignorance, and to become morally pure with the seeds of original sin removed, and you say he didn't do anything?
I love how most of the complaints against Jesus boiled down to the objector not being adult enough to accept hyperbole, idioms and other types of obvious wordplay. Jesus spoke in parables for that reason i guess 😂
As the objector a.i argued, hyperbole might not be the best tone of speech for giving a moral lesson, when the speech itself uses racial slurs or apparent harsh insults.
This complicates the message when the lesson is written in a specific context within a specific moment in history, and then expecting all readers from all cultures and all languages to understand that lesson, that was given in specific jewish cultural context.
Its not that the a.i is not 'adult enough,' its that the a.i questions apparent harsh speech from a neutral reader's perspective. The only way that a christian interprets Jesus' speech as hyperbole and a profound lesson, is if the christian's biased view of Jesus already paints him as sinless, therefore, its impossible for a christian to view Jesus as racist, discriminatory or harsh against a canaanite woman.
On the contrary, a neutral and un-biased reader clearly sees a contrast between Jesus' all-loving speech, with the apparent racist or harsh speech against a caananite woman.
Psalm 137:9 “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks” ,
@@sabeehzor7058 Yes, a song book. I'm sure you're out there trying to ride the lightning and smell teen spirit too.
@@jared02jso even outside of being loving or unloving, the Jesus character in the Gospel does this kind of wordplay all the time. Not understanding that before going into the books means that you don't understand Jesus, let alone cultural context. The Jews asked "what can we do to work the works of God?" And Jesus' replied by telling them to do something that isn't actually counted as work, Christ spoke in parables so the listening audience doesn't get what he's meaning. So much of the Jesus character is him toying with themes, people and perceptions. He said provocative things about swords and eating his body, allowing the listening audience to lose their cool so far as it pleased them.
"but ma racism and harsh speech" makes me think this person shouldn't be reading such an adult book.
@@tea-he8ei thats precisely the problem with alleged divine messages from jesus, buddah, or mohammed. Each culture expects all cultures to understand the specific culture the message is coming from in order to properly interpret or understand the message. Thats ok for studying subjects in culture, history or philosophy. But for a 'divine message,' these requirements defeat the purpose of a divine message.
I do however, understand jesus, since I was raised as a christian and i understand the interpretations given by christians/scholars to Jesus' messages.
All this though, the process of learning a specific culture at a specific time, to understand and properly interpret an alleged divine message, defeats the purpose of a 'divine message,' when humans from different cultures and even the same culture can interpret that message differently, come to different conclusions, and act upon those conclusions.
My point is, the fact that people all around the world, in order to understand a 'divine message,' have to study the culture that originates the message before hand, interpret, reinterpret, update according to modern standards, special plead, then defend and put faith upon the message when the book/message/messenger don't have substantial evidence to support their claims, shows that these messages are just, human ideas and philosophies that have to be updated to be accommodated to modern moral standards.
Even AI is doing - AL TAQIYA for Mojo 😂
😭😭
Yep
Nah, more like AI TAQIYA
same AI is calling christian trinity illogical , ready to discard it ?
Psalm 137:9 “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks” ,
The Muslim AI lost the moment the debate started. Game over.
Was never more proud to be a Christian ❤
17:59 ☸🧘♂
I don't think any other religious leader encouraged people to question and understand their own teachings like Buddha did. This is one of the key reasons why Buddhism is different from other religions-there's nothing to follow blindly. Buddha invited people to 'Come and See' for themselves. He never claimed to be a god or said, 'I am your only savior, the one who decides your fate, so worship me.' Instead, he taught, 'No one else can save you; your savior is yourself. I have simply given you the map to end this cycle of suffering' (in modern terms, to escape the matrix) and to reach the ultimate state of 'Nirvana'.'"
Asking as I'm genuinely intrigued - do you think that we can be our own saviors? Does that also mean that in Buddhism, you are your own god?
There is plenty to follow blindly in Buddhism. The worst example is probably that you can never tell yourself what stage of enlightenment you are on, so you have to rely on the judgement of the enlightened... but wait, there is no foundation.
So yeah, you have to blindly believe in the three jewels- actually, that's a requirement for enlightenment lol
So Buddha did more or less say "I'm your only saviour"
As a Christian, Christianity does something similar. Jesus gives you the choice to trust and love him. In the Bible, Jesus doesn't go around yelling, obey me, or burn in hell. Instead, Jesus does miracles showing people he is God and its their choice to trust him or not.
@@TheDiaryOfAChristian
The first answer is yes, we are the saviors of ourselves. For the second answer, no, we aren't gods. I have often heard people say that Buddha taught there isn't any god, but that's incorrect. Buddha spoke of heaven and hell, but he said those things are impermanent.(which means you can't be there permanently) He explained that everything is part of a cycle, or in modern terms, a matrix. He provided us with the map, including valuable theories (Like Four Noble Truths , The doctrine of causality , Impermanence,...) to escape this cycle and achieve the supreme state of Nirvana
@@lilemont9302 I don't know where you learned about Buddhism, but if you become enlightened, you will know it. Also, trust and blindness are different-trust is essential in this journey because we have not experienced enlightenment yet. It's more about trusting the path rather than blindly following it, just like how we learned letters and other things from a teacher when we were very young. If we hadn't trusted the teacher at that age, we wouldn't have learned anything about letters or other subjects.
Bro you need immediately to add some Chinese AI as some of the judges, it may be more skeptical and less inclined to agree so much with Christianity.
I think this because AI is trained based in humans and local patterns, so of course it will be more like to agree with our opinions.
Bad news is, I personally did not found any slightly good Chinese text AI :/
And do a video on a Protestant Christian vs Catholic Christian
Or
Catholic Orthodox vs Catholic Roman.
It will be interesting.
Eduardo, i was thinking the exact same thing, so i added these models that were trained on Chinese and English data:
Yi Large, DeepSeek Coder V2 and Qwen 2.
That said, Qwen 2 was extremely critical of the Buddhist position. Go figure.
There is no way to avoid bias bro, it'd just be replacing "our" bias with Chinese one
Im more interested in how u acquire the knowledge to do this, where do i start😅
@@JonOleksiuk thanks a lot.
Depending on what sources are used it may strengthen the Christian position.. Shang Di is the God of the Old Testament
mo is cooked 💀💀💀
You mean your god got cooked by the romans?
@@Al-aqlmo the chomo stands no chance against jesus or buddha, your bastard prophet is up there with the austrian painter and pol pot
@@Al-aql lmfaoooo. this channel is so biased towards christians lmao.
@@Al-aql Islamic cope in full effect. As usual, no refutations to anything said in the video. Just 14 year old cheerleaders with no actual arguments. lol
@@Al-aql You mean how the Jewish woman cooked the lamb that poisoned Muhammed and made him suffer like a sick dog for 3 years? lol
Even Muslim AI lies, I guess it learned well!
Buddhist was best
This channel is sick mate! Especially this defending religious beliefs format. Please more of these
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15:50 must be contextualised with ancient Indian patriarchy?? Bruh ancient Indian Hindu societies allowed female saints to recite Vedas and to be in Ashrams, Rig Veda even mentions female Warriors plus it's written in Pali language, the Pali script and culture associated with it is originate from Eastern India where sects like Shakism is prevalent where Gods are worshipped as female deities so that excuse of ancient Indian patriarchy is completely factually wrong.
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@@ChristAnswers1 I mean that there was no patriarchy in Buddha's time in ancient India, a better argument could be that later corruption of Indic societies in 15th, 16th century or sometime post 10th century Hinduism Buddhism and Indic religions got corrupted for that brief period and social evils like Patriarchy, the infamous caste system got incorporated into the ancient text during that period but later on reformist addressed these issues and corrected those corruptions. So calling Buddha patriarchal or Ancient India patriarchal is factually wrong, those were the outcome of corruption of ancient Text in various copies written much later on. Indian Society is as old as 3000 - 2500 BCE so by the time of past 10th century it was already 3000 plus years old and way past it's Golden age was in declining period so ancient philosophies got misinterpreted, distorted and corrupted by various factors like social subversion of western colonialist to help in conversions or Islamic Invaders trying to conquer the land or by few Greedy people in power and authority.
@@aryamangogoi6764 oh ok i see what you mean
I'm not keen on the Buddhist pursuit of freeing people from suffering and desire. This seems like a fundamentally anti-life philosophy based on negative utilitarianism rather than embracing the struggle of being part of the multi-generational project that is life
Wouldn't the same argument be used for christians. The Christian teaching of 'all humans are sinful in their nature' could also be interpreted the same way?
@rugvedkawatkar2785 I'm not Christian either so 🤷 I know the gnostics and certain Christian cults lean into anti life mentalities. As far as the everyone is sinful thing though, I don't know if that is an anti life statement. No one is perfect, or at least very few people. Can you point to a person that has never done something wrong? Never made a mistake? Never acted out of a vice? "He who is without sin cast the first stone" we all sin, none of us are perfect, but that's okay isn't it? As long as we love our fellow man and try to do the right thing?
Christ is the Lord ☦☦
jesus is dead
@Randive if only you knew. God bless you
@@SufferingJoe Knew what?
@Randive John 14:6; John 3:5-7; Galatians 2:20
@@SufferingJoe That means nothing to me. You are using circular reasoning. Explain the divinity of yeshua without using bible verses.
To sum it all up: Christ Is King.
Buddhist is an Excellent Teacher or Mentor.
Islam is "Trust me bro"
I would suggest doing a debate between different denominations within a religion like: Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant for Chrisitians; Sunni and Shiite for Muslims; and Theravada, Mahayana and Vajrayana for Buddhism. The questions can be about who God is (or who the Buddha was for Buddhism) how can you be saved, and are the other members of the denominations truly part of your religion
Jesus is God
Jesus is King
Jesus Christ is God
Jesus Christ is King
Amen✝️🕊❤️✝️❤️🕊❤️
amen!
None of that is true. You worship a dead man.
Yes
It's a shame to put Jesus near normal people , with all respect to philosophy of Buddha
Jesus Christ of Nazareth is my Lord and my God and one day my eyes will see Him as He is.
Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and look at My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!” -John 20: 27-28
Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is. -1 John 3: 2
Jesus Christ is coming soon.
Have you asked Jesus to forgive you of your sins and save you from hell? Today is the day of salvation (2 Corinthians 6:2).
God bless you all.