everglow-up is a prime example of kpop stan’s hyping up obviously terrible people because they are “truthful” (edgy). i haven’t watch that channel in yearsss and one scroll on their account literally a week ago proved why i haven’t. text book rage-bait with no substance and obvious weirdo tendencies but they always deliver “hard pills to swallow” about idols people do not care for so they still have a platform.
@@Trinityswain I honestly don't get why people keep bringing Ajanugu into this discussion. If you take away any nuance and context, stuff Aja says are probably more outrageous than Everglow-up (sans the Palestine issue), but the difference is that Aja fully embraces this "edgy" image, it's almost like a type of comedy (which I know is not for everyone and I understand why a lot of people hate her), you know, like a bad guy who admits to being a bad guy, while Everglow-up is sort of a hypocrite in this sense, the bad guy who acts like the good guy if you get what I mean.
Hm not too much on Aja I didn't like that channel either but she's incredibly young she still has a lot of time to learn and she's at that age of being edgy and whatnot
@@greenthingggshe’s literally older than 20 if I’m not wrong. She jokes that shes 16 and since she never really posts her face some people believe her but shes over 20.
I personally think that the short wasn't the start of issues people had with EverGlowUp. It was the Hyuna video that was the chipping of ice but the short was the breaking point for many.
I think it was a problem way before that she makes lots of rage bait content with the defense of don’t attack me for my opinions just because you think differently. While that’s a fine stance that I do agree with as it is a big problem in kpop and on the internet in general she uses that as a shield for criticism when she actively puts down people who disagree with her and try’s to silence them with that argument then when it’s proven she’s actually as bigoted as people thought but felt like they were just being an insane kpop fan who was just mad she didn’t like their fav instead of them actively taking in her very real disgusting treatment of those she disagrees with all those pent up emotions come out with little care for much else which seems more recent when things happen so quickly the Hyuna video gave everyone the yellow light to examine her behavior and their emotions the Palestine boycott comments gave everyone the green light to let it out
Erverglow-Up used to be a Ktuber who was extremely skilled in laying out her arguments in a way that would make me understand where she was coming from, backed up by extrensive research. Lately, I felt like I could not understand her points of view anymore, her language just got provocative and while I used to think that her opinions made so much sense when she gained her platform, I recently found myself disagreeing with basically every single one of her videos. The Hyuna video was one for me, too (it is a fair point to say that Hyuna did not necessarily have a feminist image or that you should not idolize celebrities, BUT to be disappointed if someone you supported did not manage to turn out as a decent human being would be the normal reaction imo). But I still thought maybe she just had worded it strangely (which I thought very untypical for her, actually) and in other videos like the one about Jisoo stans I just thought well, that sounds a little far-fetched, almost like a conspiracy theory, but I mean I can't prove her wrong. The boycott short on the other hand was my eye-opener, I think, and I started to really think about how much her videos and her wording have changed and that maybe she as a Ktuber has changed in the way she presents herself and looks for views on this platform.
In the Hyuna video the only thing I agreed with her was the we shouldn't assume idols as activists or advocates for certain movements if they haven't said so themselves especially since kpop is built on selling an image. Hyuna dating a bystander of the Burning Sun Scandal is more of an insult to the victims than it is to feminism because she never claimed or confirm that she was a feminist.
@@chengetaimubaiwa2239 I kind of agree with that kind of don’t because while fans shouldn’t put those ideals on idols Hyuna 1000% fed into it and benefited from it she also took the scrutiny for it and while we could say it was her image she continued with that image even after she had a lot more creative freedom and public sympathy so her main argument of fans were playing themselves and being upset now falls completely flat this is who Hyuna promoted herself to be to her audience and also even outside of who she presented as her actions were gross to begin with so it’s not really about who she is it’s what she did. She built a community on the back of feminism so of course this thing that anyone would find horrible her community would find even worse no matter what in that Hyuna video she was wrong because fans weren’t wrong for being upset and it wasn’t their own faults they were upset it was Hyuna’s actions
I’ve always kinda disliked everglow-up so I’ve just stopped watching any of her videos. She’s so weirdly aggressively and a little mean for literally no reason.
There are some videos of hers with interesting concepts so I'll tune in. However I feel like she can come off as very passive-aggressive. I think she has the right idea but she doesn't always go about it correctly
She literally wrote " whether you cry in the comments or on reddit, it doesn't make a difference " , so i believe she doesn't really care about what she said.
Everglow-up contradicting herself is actually not a new thing. I stopped watching her a long time ago for exactly this reason. She has a pattern in her behavior where she: - Makes a point to call out a person for their behavior - Proceeds to do it herself - And when people call her out for it either: a. Delete the comments b. Belittle them c. Or just blames it on them just being haters or racist cus she's black (the last one is quite funny for someone like her who made a whole video about how kpop fans misuse words like these, because it 'takes the seriousness of the word away')
She actually made a point saying if a company does something you dont like you should boycott it in another video and now she tells us its "useless" (it's not, I'm in a third world country and the boycott is doing great work they have been losing millions here because our people ACTUALLY care) she uses her videos as a way to validate herself about not doing bare minimum of well... not buying a product that is not needed and easily replaced especially in a 1st world country which she lives in (america)
@@human-wz4fb probably that. But I think it's also mostly because she doesn't like boycots against Israel seeing all of the pro-isreal sh*t she's been posting.
she has had nasty, weird and anti-woke dog whistle ass takes for a long time now. this situation is disappointing but not at all surprising and im surprised people didnt pick up on her behaviour earlier. including larger creators. she's clearly trying to cater to an audience. and at one point i started wondering if she tries to be edgy and different for clickbait and views. i used to enjoy her content but i really think she should have stuck to kpop and not making videos on issues that are political and harm real groups of people when she hasn't experienced them or is educated on, while trying to pass her opinions off as fact. she also seems to lack empathy in her ''hot takes''. her hyuna video, the jyp was right video where she went on this weird ableist yap at the start about how neurodiverse people are fragile for needing accommodations that the entire video could have done without. it's just bizarre. she's unable to disagree with people in respectful ways, often calling them delusional and insecure. her weird comments on feminism, and weh this generation is snowflakes and seemingly conservative viewpoints are bizarre to me and all in all? with overwhelming evidence, it just seems like she isn't a very nice person. nothing more nothing less.
i find it weird how she tries to act as if she were a holier than thou gen z because she's "more realistic" as if most of us aren't already at an age where we're in the workforce and KNOW how conservative and shitty the rest of the world is/can be. It's not deluded to want a better world and to try to change things, but since she doesn't seem to see a problem, we're wrong.
Something that my professor always tells my class is whenever you start to resort to calling people names and labels, it immediately shuts down your point that you were trying to make. The way that she has handled these situations ,although yes she can have these opinions, the way that she delivers that message is just not tolerable or commendable.
Yeah, she has fallen for a classic fallacy: Ad Hominen, attacking the person instead of the argument, which usually tends to signal that you don't have any substantial argument to stand on and you resorted to attacking the person instead. Your teacher is absolutely right, that's one of the big no nos when you do an argumentation/debate. For someone who says they have been doing debates and essays for a long time, she has surely forgot about that key part.
"Nobody actually knows her". I hate to break it to you but dozens of former friends have. Me included. The reason she's going viral IS due to her long time toxic behavior and gaslighting others into thinking that they're the problem. This explosion on her didn't just happen overnight. It wasn't just because of that short on Gaza.
@@nabicore Yeah, I apologize for not wording that the best - I know you all are aware of her intentions the most, having been closely involved in the egu community before The only reason I brought it up was over that Instagram story post on the blackmamba_egu account, where she posted the video of (I believe) tom holland saying “if you have a problem with me, call me, and if you don’t have my number, you don’t know me well enough to have a problem with me,” - I didn’t want the ktube community at large “not really knowing her” to be a permissible excuse for her to get away with saying something like this
@@choujimi I normally agree with "We don't fully know everyone for real online". Absolutely. This is a good mentality to keep for sure. Although in this case for this channel it doesn't really apply, because even without knowing this ktuber, their channel has been super toxic and offensive/upsetting according to A LOT of the comments I see on recent EGU discussion community posts. I wasn't really aware, because the last time I sat down for an EGU video it was still fairly neutral, but looking at the channel nowadays I definitely see what people mean. And I think we should stop rewarding these overly negative ktube channels. There's a difference between researching hard topics within kpop neutrally and between just painting idols entirely good or bad based on personal bias and preach that as fact.
I (being part Palestinian) was really hurt by her comments/tweets & overall attitude. Not only does it show her ignorance, her language contained the kind of apathy that cuts deep. I know some people are going to find my comment weird but words have meaning. While I do agee that the kpop boycotts could've been handled better & it could seem pointless, we have to remember that boycotting is one way to help (especially since aid/donations are difficult to get to Gaza). Many of the companies the BDS list directly support/fund Is*ael & the IDF (EX: McDonald & their free meals). Actively avoiding those companies is more than just a moral stance.
@@kag_17 It was mainly her snakiness & condescending/belittling tone that upset me. It showed how little empathy she has. I'm not sure how someone could talk about such a serious & gruesome situation like that. There was also a tweet (nabi core shared it on her community page) where she claimed that media/news outlets have been making Gaza out to be the victim the whole time. Meanwhile, a major Canadian news outlet had banned journalists from covering protests, talking about Is*ael's military regime, or even saying "Palestine." Plus, many articles keep switching out the words "killed" with "dead/died." I'm currently studying journalism as my minor & one of the things they remind us of constantly is that word choice matters. Media/the news has a long history of pulling this crap on Palestinians & other POC.
So it's okay to be rude towards Jews? You have to remember Palestine never existed in the ancient times and it was Judea, Palestinians belong to north Africa and in Arab countries. Cope with it nazi.
I studied a fair amount about Palestine in university and the conclusion that egu comes to is insulting but expected. Organized boycotting sometimes has little to do with the financial, as you stated the success of the Starbucks boycott is about its image. Groups like BDS (boycott, divestment, and sanctions) modelled themselves after the Anti-apartheid movement against South Africa which people would say was successful. Also......... people aren't only boycotting Starbucks. *My point* being that demeaning boycotts and saying you need to "do your research" without mentioning BDS or anything else that's being boycotted is careless. That's my two cents on boycotts. Feel free to disagree on effectiveness/non-effectiveness but obviously egu chose to be belittling before being helpful.
right like she goes on about doing your research but doesn't even mention bds and pretends we're only boycotting starbucks and mcdonalds? and she also pretends that boycotting starbucks of all things is mutually exclusive with taking arguably more impactful actions like protesting or calling your reps or donating??? like no one who is boycotting actually thinks that not drinking starbucks coffee or buying mcnuggets is going to cripple the iof and i genuinely don't know anyone who is doing just that and nothing else and expecting it to solve everything.
Tbh ive been side eyeing everglow up ever since she had made that video gaslighting black kpop stans for speaking up abt cultural appropriation and kpop idols doing things that are just straight up offensive to black ppl cause saying "the world doesn't revolve around black ppl" in the context of kpop is actually such an insane take considering the first ever kpop group was heavily inspired by black culture and music (and on top of the big 4 admitting that black music is the base for their companies) 💀
Many Gen 1 and Gen 2 Kpop groups straight up ripped off concepts from Black groups and singers like TLC, B2K, Omarion, Usher, Destiny's Child, etc. SMTOWN is literally a play on MOTOWN, including the songwriting workshops and having multiple different groups sing a demo for a song.
@@goldyd144 I agree with everything you said, E**rg**w Up is just not a good person at all, it was my folly(foolishness) that I ignored her red flags, especially her video on black kpop fans, I continued to be subscribed to her + liked some comments on that video(NOT any racist comments) until that Pro-Isnotreal mess of a short on her short channel Mamba's Rekall.
4:25 Small note: She made a video talking about boycotts and she talked about how Orbits performed a succesful one, so it is kinda weird that she said that boycotts do not do damage to companies, when she has previously talked about a succesful boycott to a kpop company (The damage to BBC's image is already done and a lot of people had withdraw their monetary support bc of it). It's a bit of a weird contradiction of her. (PS: Thank you Choujimi, for always being a calm, reasonable voice in the ktube community and always trying to see alll the nuances of a topic) (PS2: I do not advocate for people to throw hate towards everglow-up. Call her out on her bulls**t, yes, [she's an adult fully capable of taking decisions, so she has to take responsability on the consequences of her choices] but not baseless attacking her personally. Attack the argument, not the person behind it)
I stopped watching EverglowUp a long time ago. She'll make a controversial statement, then do some logical gymnastics in order to prove her point, and then say something along the lines of "this is an undeniable FACT. If you disagree you are blind/stupid/etc." I don't mind when creators have differing opinions to me but her obsession with being 100% right about everything and discouraging people from disagreeing with her is so childish and obnoxious.
My whole problem with EGU is the fact that she constant brings up that she was on a debate team at some point of her schooling yet doesn’t realize that you could still pose an argument in your “debate” and still be dead wrong. Her superiority complex is what really drove me to look at her differently. I once commented about it on one of her BP related videos but had to delete it cause her & her followers were too defensive to understand where I was coming from. Also it doesn’t help that she never listens to criticism anyway so there’s that too. I’m honestly just waiting for someone to make a video detailing all of her transgressions over the years bc apparently she’s been a menace on Twitter & her discord both in the past past AND the present day.… And everyone can’t be lying so 👀.
I used to watch all of everglowup’s videos, I enjoyed her perspective on things and thought she made interesting content. But then her videos strayed into ad hominem arguments, calling people dumb or spineless for not agreeing with her. I found myself not enjoying her content anymore, so I stopped watching. Until yesterday when I heard about her short, which I wanted to watch so I could formulate my own thoughts and not take other peoples word on what exactly she said. I feel like the past 4 months have changed me forever, the horrors we are seeing have made me bitter and angry and hateful. I can’t imagine what kind of people could justify the atrocities being shared for the world to see, certainly not anyone I want to be around. And what can we do? Honestly, nothing. So you’re right, the boycotts make people feel like they are doing something other than watching people in unimaginable pain and losing their entire families. So hearing her making glib remarks about “both sides” frankly disgusted me. As did her comment about “opening a damn book” because if anyone with any sort of empathy did that, they would see exactly who has been the victim for the past 75 years.
I agree with you on everything you've said. I also used to watch all of her content. I used to low-key be excited for her new uploads. I even thanked for how her videos helped get me through my college years. Now, much to my own regret. But after her recent changes over the past four months, her (allegedly?) rude nature, and the outright despicable reaction to a much bigger, much more serious situation is just wrong. It's honestly kind of heartless the way she reacted, in my opinion. Free Palestine. I don't want to make my comment too long, but I appreciate you sharing this experience you had with her as well.
Same. She had the most thought-out, researched and logical videos on Ktube imo. Now she just belittles everyone who watches her videos and doesn't even stick to her own opinions.
I hesitate to even comment because I don't want to dogpile- because part of me wants to be proven wrong and that she didn't say what she said. I don't like to think ill of people I once admired. I don't think anyone does. I will say that I'm questioning the rationality of making shorts at all on topics like this. You're intentionally choosing a format that limits your ability to actually provide evidence and reasoning, and the least you can do when making this kind of content is actually explain your thoughts instead of just saying to read a book.
Thank you for your awesome video Jimi. It’s so good to know we can count on you to be the calm thinking in Ktuber! I think you’ve made a lot of sense out of this otherwise baffling and confusing situation. I agree 100% with everything you just said. The K-pop boycott was obviously not effective. It did virtually nothing in terms of declining the company’s monetary value or raising awareness; we who have participated in the boycott know and understand it. Cheryl honestly didn’t need to point it out to us, we knew that a boycott on _K-pop_ was never really gonna make a dent in the industry. But we wanted to try. As you said Jimi these boycotts give us hope that we can contribute to helping Palestine in our own way. Even though we’re fully aware it won’t make any huge impacts in the higher ups of said businesses, we still try because it feels like one of the most powerful ways to get our points across. It’s actually quite ironic to me that Cheryl finds these boycotts laughable when she herself has expressed how imperative it is for people to make their voices/opinions heard by affecting those corporations wallets. Starbucks has lost a lot because of this boycott, so much so that ALL of their new advertisements focus on “Humanity” and “Starbucks is a community” or whatever _(and I’m being SO serious right now like just yesterday on my Spotify I got a Starbucks ad of this one girl talking about t how Starbucks is just a wonderful community where we get to know customers on a personal level. LIKE NAH y’all can’t act like that when we KNOW jobs in retail suck ass because customers are almost always so snarky and rude ;-;)._ McDonald’s is getting affected by this too. Many other companies and businesses are being boycotted; PEOPLE like musicians and actors and influencers are all being boycotted. While I can understand Cheryl’s point on the Kpop boycott basically achieving nothing (because as someone who participated in it, I have to admit it really didn’t do virtually anything on any level except spark disgusting fanwars), to act like the general boycott for Palestine is ineffective is just not true. Yes it sucks that people on the lower side of the pyramid face the most repercussions, but the company itself is still facing its losses. You make a great point that Cheryl’s recent contents having really changed in the way that she expresses herself. I never really noticed it but now that you pointed it out you make me realize a lot about her recent videos. Cheryl has always been a big supporter of the idea of educating oneself before speaking. She did that with the Woojin Situation, with Garam, with Jimin and Mina, and with all of her controversial videos. She has said so herself how important it is to be cautious and responsible with her platform, knowing VERY WELL what misinformation can do to both those who spew it and those who believe. I guess that’s really the most baffling part about this whole situation to me; Cheryl has said those kinds of things throughout her time as a ktuber and, more importantly, has SHOWN THROUGH HER ACTIONS and video contents that she finds them important. Even when you disagree with her you HAVE to admit that she makes great points because she always did. So how could someone who has consistently believed in “Must be educated before speaking” and “Always be responsible with your platform” say things like _THIS?!?_ An absolute uneducated, misinformed nonsense of a statement; and on such a horrific situation!? The woman who prided herself in being a voice of reason in K-pop, who always read deeper into the story than what people see, is talking like that about a political issue as huge as this? Absolutely baffling. It through me for a loop to be honest! Let me be clear, I’ve always respected and looked up to Cheryl. Even now, I hate to admit part of me still does. She’s impacted a lot in my life, taught me life lessons I barely even learn in school, taught me to be confident, and to just get up and do shit. That meant a lot to me, and I’m sure a lot of people out there agree. I can’t hate her or be hateful towards her. I could never bring myself to. I wholeheartedly admit that she has been a positive influence on me and given me more than a lot of people have. But that’s why I can no longer support her. She taught me ( and many others) how to think critically and conduct myself online; and through these lessons I’ve learned from her all i can say is that she fucked up BIG TIME. She needs to listen to the criticism and understand that. But I know she most likely never will. Much like what she said about Jennie, Cheryl is shielded from both hate and criticisms because many of her fans will keep supporting her and going after everyone who disagrees. It’s saddening to think that a community I so loved and cherished is just going to become mindless Egu Stan’s. I don’t know what to make of it if I’m honest. There’s a lot of other things I want to point out. Her lack of providing clear evidence for her statement, the fact that she expressed this all in a short (which she has said before is a TERRIBLE way to express one’s opinions because you only need 60s to spread Misinformation that people will EAT UP wholeheartedly), the statement itself, and you know I could go on and on about how much I hate this situation. But it won’t change anything. Cheryl is Cheryl, and that is the one constant here. She won’t change her mind; she won’t see what she’s done as wrong or immoral. Much like the end result of this genoc!de, we know all to well what will become of this Cheryl situation. I just don’t want to believe it yet… I know I have no real right to be disappointed in her, because I don’t know her personally enough to have had high expectations for her in the first place, but I am. And a lot of her closest friends and supporters are too. She was someone I admired and respected so much, but she’s really REALLY fucked up now. She needs to know that and own up to it. Sorry for the long rant. But this all upsets me so much. I expected better from someone like her, and she disappointed a lot of people.. Anyways though, keep doing whatever we can so show our support for Palestine!! That is our focus. The people in Rafah and Nasser Hospital are currently suffering with no where left to go. Keep posting, sharing, boycotting, protesting, and doing all that is within your power and abilities! FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸🍉
I've said this countless times already...this is literally her attitude since the beginning and it just reached a boiling point. People simply just let her do her thing without even giving some form of critique or opposition. It wouldnt have been this political if people just vetoed some of her opinions; thus she's in a virtual echo chamber that has been boiling to this point.
i honestly used to really like everglow-up she was one of my fav ktubers but in the last few months i think she just turned into one of those ktubers that just does it for the engagements her points have gotten weaker over time and as you said she mostly just calls everyone dumb and acts like she knows better than everyone else
I agree. I must admit that at first i thought she has some kind of right to call people dumb because, let's face it, kpop fans aren't the brightest people unfortunately and we are known to be one of the worst fandoms. So her takes where she kinda dragged childlish, obsessive stans were refreshing to see. But her behavior for last couple months stopped sitting well with me
my biggest problem with her was her holier than thou attitude . the way she present points in a way that makes their viewers seem crazy, stupid, "uneducated" has always rubbed me the wrong way. on their responding to comments video on their second channel, they berated and belittled so many of their commenters. granted, some did deserve it but she quite literally contradicted herself multiple times in that video by mentioning personal attacks not being a valid talking point. the video title is LITERALLY called "responding to brain-dead comments about my unpopular k-pop opinions". she repeatedly calls commenters slow, stupid, braindead, etc. cheryl is 26. her commenters, who lets be honest, are obviously much younger. not only is this so off-putting but just incredibly aggressive to a bunch of comments she could have deleted or ignored but instead, chose to amplify them and push harassment towards them in the original video. apparently people in her discord also found calling hamas terroists and being transphobic before deleting it and im honestly not that surprised. her behavior always seemed off to me but im glad people are realizing the dogwhistles in her videos. its what strayed me from her channel for so long for someone who preaches about critical thinking and escaping echo chamber, you would think some of her subscribers would be neutral even regarding her opinions but so many people defend and agree with whatever they say like it's the gospel. it's okay to disagree. i know sure as hell i've disagreed with you even. and that's perfectly okay. just don't blindly regurgitate everything they say is all i feel
There’s no way that everyone would come to the same conclusion, even if they researched and educated themselves on this. Not everyone would be of one mind even after doing that… What an interesting thing for her to say. I don’t think Everglow-up is a bad person either, I just think that sometimes the way in which she comes across in her vids while explaining her points of view is really interesting. I remember when she said that in a debate, you shouldn’t attack the person, you should attack the argument, but is it attacking the argument when you call a person weak minded, or childish for having the opposite opinion? Even if I want to call a person silly, or childish for having an opinion, I don’t because if I insult them, they’re less likely to listen, and also it’s an emotional response, not one based on rationale. It’s like telling a person that their business is a scam before trying to give sound advice on how they can improve their product. The person with the business is less likely to listen to me because I just insulted him and said that he’s a scam artist. But I do agree with you also on the whole, throwing tomatoes in her comment section because they don’t have any argument against what she saying, (which from the listeners is not cool either). Once again, very well said Choujimi 👍
This is actually one of the reasons why I’ve been trying my best not to chuckle when it comes to serious issues. It’s just a personality thing. L O L I’m trying jimi 😂 My respect for you and your content keeps growing more and more when I see videos like this. "There has to be some sort of checks and balances system in this community when you've gone too far". I respect that and I agree.
@@moonlight_antonio I have that problem too! I don’t know why, but I often laugh out of habit regarding serious issues 😭 I appreciate the nice comments as always, and definitely agree with your sentiments. Insulting/belittling people as part of an argument is going to make it incredibly hard for them to ever want to listen to it
Just because she thinks differently than you it doesn't mean she's wrong. We complain about her making it seem like her opinions are 100% the truth, but then people like you comment stuff like this. You can agree or disagree with someone's world views, but that doesn't make them wrong.
before I say this, I am not dogpiling on anyone but when I saw the short it sort of just connected in my mind egu wants to be wise, she has gained a reputation for having a different opinion and perspective than of the ‘hive mind’ of the k-pop community, and Cheryl has been applauded for her approach. I think she thinks she is wiser than the rest of the k-pop community, she thinks has more experience of the real world or vice versa, i don’t know her so I can’t tell however her tone and her wording in her most recent videos makes me believe this conclusion. however, nobody can ever be wise or smarter than the rest because that is just impossible, you can know a lot about one area but nothing about another, and i think that’s the greatest flaw of her content, she pretends to know it all (again not dogpiling, more an analysis of character and the way she presents herself on her channel, i do not know her personally and I never will). she should address this, the way she spoke in that video let alone her incorrect rhetoric (and the end) was just insane. she probably will not and a lot of her behavior now is just making a part of me think this is a bit of how edgy she can get with her content and how far she can piss off the community if I’m being honest. did the boycott work? no. I was quite critical of it at first (I mean see my comment on the boycott video), but now I think it’s a good thing, it causes moral and helps us try and keep hope when it seems like there is none left. no, we cannot do anything individually as people against the governments who are backing up the Israeli side with weapons for this ‘war’ (genocide), however we can still use our voices to fight against it and spread awareness of what is going on in Gaza, we should not let people forget what is happening and what has happened. no matter what, free Palestine 🇵🇸, always. sorry for such a long winded comment, watching this play out was.. a lot. however I’m grateful people are talking about this and spreading awareness about what is going on, and also probably reminding people what is happening. thank you. edit; corrected typos and vice versa
The mentality of "I'm right and all of you are wrong" can be extremely dangerous. Having an opinion that a majority do not share doesn't make your opinion automatically right. I think part of growing your critical thinking skills is accepting that there are cases where the majority is in the wrong, cases where the majority is on the right and cases where there is more than one valid opinion, it all depends on the subject matter and the context
@@albarr953 I think that’s the mentality more recently that egu has had, especially taking in that short and the tone she spoke in makes me assume she thinks that she is definitely correct. I didn’t mean to say that having a different opinion instantly means you’re right if that makes sense, but I do agree with you, it all matters on context. edit; corrected spelling
@@coralskpopcorner No, no, you expressed yourself very well and very clearly, I just wanted to add to your point. And I also agree that her not even explaining why she thinks that, considering how much she has talked about the importance of building your arguments. I've also both done multiple essays and studied rhetoric and how to argument as part of my high school content, and one of the things they told to us all the time is the importance of "nuancer" (aka add nuance) all the parts of our arguments and essays. So the lack of it in that short is concerning (once again, a short is not the best place to explain yourself, much less on a topic like this)
See, I'd personally think that she used to be a valuable member of K-tube when she made videos about Woojin, Jimin, Garam, Wonyoung and bunch of her stage presence analysis which were something new and creative back then. As in last couple months? Definitely not. Her recent content is Hyuna's video, the short about Palestine, clickbait-y short with Lily, multiple Hwasa's videos, that short with G-idle fans, community post about G-dragon, Keena, Aespa's stage presence, Nmixx's music... you get a point. And I'm not saying she's all wrong in all of them actually, but I'm saying that she clearly no longer has a personality that could hold good channel. Maybe she never had and was testing water, but I've said it already on few of her comment sections some weeks ago; she has become worse than people she used to call out.
Honestly i wonder if she really wanted to defend these unjustifiably cancelled idols or she just wanted to make a rage bait. I started watching her channel because of Jimin videos (I followed AOA for some time, and this dragging of Jimin seemed unnecessary to me so when i saw someone defending her I've become interested) and without a doubt, these kinds of videos were the ones to make her popular.
@@AB-yk2pqdon't forget bangchan the stuff she said about him is crazy like girl you was defending woojin garam and other like her life Dependent on it. But the second an idols does nothing but just share their opinion your mad like girl shut the fuck u
Thank you for this video. I'm honestly just saddened to confirm that all the language she had been using in her videos for a while now, which VERY much resembled that of conservative online speakers, was backed by actual beliefs
I’m very glad I came across this video! (and your channel) Thank you! This is a great take and sums up some of the thoughts I have about this situation very well
the only thing most of us can do is to boycott and it works only if we stick to it for a long time. if someone does not want to boycott that is okay, but do not tell others that it is useless or funny, respect their viewpoint. As for K-pop, we have to boycott at full, including album sales, tickets, merch, and so on. streaming is really the last thing that brings money to the company. I subscribed to everglow-up earlier in 2023, but as time passed I noticed that her content became more about K-pop fandoms and less about K-pop, music, or her opinion about K-pop. I already had enough of the fandoms on twitter or RUclips shorts, I know how toxic and stupid some of them are sometimes, and I don't want to spend time watching a video that reminds me of that. Instead, I would watch some other ktuber analyzing music or music video and give something to think about and discuss with respect. that's why I unsubscribed her channel.
@@lesleyblackvelvet7647 I agree, it is okay to watch her videos for people who like that kind of content. but personally, I am done with toxic or childish kpop fans, I don't need to watch another commentary video about it.
I definitely don't think boycott are useless but the way kpop fans and people on twitter are approaching it to other people is extremely toxic. Giving people death treath because they can't boycott. Saying they should get slaughtered and shamed because they can't give up their food is very not okay-
@@ruoqifang you are right, I also think that kpop fans have not boycotted properly. and I also saw instances of being toxic over not boycotting or even boycotting on twitter.
Thank you for speaking what new fans of Everglow-Up want to say. I only watched her because of her Kep1er rearrangement video, and was so happy with the changes, so when THAT video dropped, I just... kinda blanked out. Who was this person trying to convince me that her opinions are facts? I used to agree with so many points of her videos, and honestly, still do. Idk, suddenly, it just becomes weird, like, when a character gets flanderized by a new writer.
People did came up with good arguments and even pinpointed how flawed her argument was with stating the right information but to instead she responded with "keep crying" smh. And she's pro Israel so I don't think she gonna apologize she dislikes Palestinians you can see that In her tweets
Surprisingly i saw alot of comment trying to educate her instead is attacking her. Its her personal belief she probably should have kept to herself. Her video made people dig up her tweets and personal Instagram and discord serves. She really shot herself in the foot she lost subs. I used to someone who would watch every video she put out because she seemed logical with most thing she said but after that i literally felt disgust to point that i actually threw up. Her way of 'sticking it' to people didn't help either
I started watching her when she was releasing videos on Kwon Mina and Woojin and although I found her tone of voice a bit abrasive and noticed a few instances where she got some information about mental health stuff wrong, her videos were still well put together and entertaining. In her later videos I still thought that her takes were well thought out and nuanced even if my own opinions tended to differ from hers or I interpreted the evidence in a different way. Lately though she has been giving some straight up terrible takes like calling people with adhd weak for requesting accommodations for their disability, or getting pissed at Gdragon for his charity thing because she believed it was only for PR. I really wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt on this one since it seemed like her point was boycotting the big 4 was not an effective method to enact change and she tried to take the neutral stance on the bigger issue since she hadn’t done as much research on the non-kpop side, but then I found out she uses Zionist rhetoric on her other platforms.
I get that the boycott didn't work as we wanted to, but laughing at people and saying that both sides are trying to errdicate each other(when one of those are suffering in a more awful way) let's a bitter take on my mind about her (I was really a fan, I agree with her in various points in her video; but this short feels... You get it, I can't say it in words)
Huh??!!!!😀 I take a step away from Kpop and come back to this mess?!! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I don't have much anything to add that you haven't already said (mainly cause I don't follow everglow-up and haven't watched her videos in a long while), so I want to take the time to commend you, choujimi, in using your platform to offer another (really, the correct) perspective and speak out against the ignorant things everglow-up put out. It's unfortunate that there's even a division on the matter of genocide. ☹ But it's more important especially now for people who have a platform to speak about this topic where and when it matters do so, cause the government is a failure in all ways possible, to put it lightly. Like you said even the seemingly minute and impromptu Kpop boycott (even if it wasn't effetive in shifting the Big4 away from collabing with XYZ corporations) AT THE VERY LEAST gives ley people, who maybe can't donate or have a massive following, some sense of agency and purpose to help in some capacity against all odds. It's so important that we find ways to take control where we can. Isn't that what the point of all of this is? Whether intentional or not, takes like everglow-up's are dangerous and disempowering. Doing and saying nothing about the Gaza situation will inevitably lead to nothing changing, so can't we at least try something? And I genuinely don't think the boycott was a complete "waste." If there's anything that can be done about the Big4 boyccott now is to mindfully dissect what worked and what didn't work to implement a more tactical strategy for future mass awareness campaigns. ‼‼‼ For example, JYP and 4 of his groups are releasing a collab with (crook)a-cola. This is a prime example of a specific and timely thing to boycott and actively petition against (maybe even mass report if you ask me 😼😈🤭💅🏾😏)‼‼‼ Like, as much as I love NMIXX, I am not watching that video or streaming the song!! I don't even know the release date lol... 🙃 Also wanted to add that in your community post about cheryl's take on gen-z, you said that you might take the video down. Personally (you are free to do what makes you comfortable), I think any piece of commentary, except blantant hateful ones, is necessary and should continue to exist for the bigger picture/progression of rhetoric and discussion. If there's anything that needs to be amended, I think it should be it's own separate/follow up video, but that's my 2 cents. 💆🏾♀️
Exactly. I'm a huge midzy and casual listener of nmixx and stray kids but i'm not gonna watch the video. How come jype made a move like that at this moment?
She is literally acting the same way she theorized Hwasa was acting. That's when you've always recieved criticism but when a serious situation pops up you brush the criticism off as people just hating. And this is why she been "unbothered" by the backlash and has carried on making content. I really hope that she sees the error of her ways and takes accountability ( oh that beautiful word ).
Lol isn't it ironic she made a video on facts about fiction, arguing that kpop youtubers like her should stick to talking about kpop and not politics like choice feminism and yet she did that very thing- talking about an even more serious political issue.
Thank you so much for talking about this. Seeing how many Ktubers are talking about this and raising awareness for Palestine warms my heart ♥️ and I’m glad this creator is getting called out. I stumbled across some of her content but avoided her videos because it felt like she was just screaming at her viewers the whole time… thought it was just a preference thing but clearly there was more to that gut feeling
I unfollowed everglow-up a while ago. She used to be my favorite ktuber and I loved her opinion on things TILL the garam incident happend, at the beginning she claimed to b a lsrf fan, when garam was kicked she started defending her (which I really appreciated back then) BUT for some reason she changed her mind about lsrf. Blaming fearnots about hate trains and fandom wars. Targeting fearnots and le sserafim in almost every discussion. overall she stoped talking about lsrf in a positive way. Then.... her stupid boycott video happened. I just couldn't believe it, I knew she was a toxic person who likes to anger people but hearing her DEFEND ISRAEL? and making fun of people for caring about palestine??? What is she on? I realized what kind of person she is. For me, she is a hypocrite.
I'm not a lsrf fan but the way you described how she changed her mind about the group and the fandom is terribly similar to how she talked/talks about skz and stays for years, with the difference that Woojin already left the group when his accusations came at him and she praised skz in her stage presence videos despite targeting the fandom in every discussion (and she was right at first, the fandom is toxic and, since it's a big one, it will always have rotten apples in it). The video she made about Chan was the nail in the coffin but, before that video, I remember how she wasn't liking the group as much as before in her livestream. At the time, I brushed off that dislike since her main argument was her not being able to enjoy their new music as before, which is a fair argument. Also, I don't know you, but I never liked how she talks about almost all the idols she defended over the years. I can only talk about Woojin, since he's the one she mostly talks about it on her channel. In three/four years since she became a stan of him, I almost never saw her praising him in any way, shape or form. She only praised him once during one of her "awards" and that's it. The man had three comebacks, a tour, starred both in a movie and in a drama and Everglow-up never talked about these things in her videos but god forbid if she forgets to mention his scandal when she needs to target Stays (and Chan in the long run) in her videos. I'm pretty sure that, if Garam started her solo career, Everglow-up would have just made a post about it on her community or other social media and then coming back bringing up her scandal in her videos about lsrf and that's it. Which shows once again her hypocrisy. She always complains about pity stanning and yet, she pushes the pity stanning by keeping to victimize the idols she defended and never talking positively about them. It would have been a matter of time before Everglow-up's internet persona would have fallen off, since she's been controversial for a year and so. The short about the boycott has just been the huge wake up call.
@faceglitch. Also, a literal hypocrite when it came to the bullying stuff. Heard about the Discord drama that happened with her and to me it's just her gaining bullet points and pity buzzwords such as sympathizing with the situation even though people don't have the full picture of everything all just to boost her ego. She talked about how critical thinking is dying is dying in K-Pop yet not only does she not propose a solution to it but rather exploits it for her benefit. I've found so many logical fallacies and research errors in her content that I would not recommend any of it to anyone.
@@lesleyblackvelvet7647 I've heard about the Discord thing about her too, even though I don't have the full picture, since I wasn't there. To be honest, that situation explains why some k-tubers who were previously friends with her such as Nabicore, Planet Minjae and Blossom Ink distanced/cut ties with her after a while. And I'm not surprised she nuked the server after one of her friends called a user a terrorist because they spoke for Palestine. Everglow-up has an habit to delete/hide everything that might damage her reputation because she needs to keep the perfect image she built over the years. The biggest example are the livestreams, which get privated after a while. I think I might have noticed some fallacies on her videos as time went by but, since English is not my first language, I didn't noticed them immediately. If you could provide me her more common research errors she showed in her videos, I would appreciate it ^_^
@faceglitch. I've checked video descriptions and found little to no sources cited regarding the numbers she tends to post, especially in the "docuseries" she claims to post when instead they're just posting tirades just to come off as factual. Ever since I found out about this I refuse to acknowledge her as a legitimate source again ( I'd go watch Ploopy if I wanted to know about the real stuff behind the current HYBE drama ). In addition, I did some fallacy analysis ( both personal reading of the transcripts of her videos as well as processing them through AI ) and found quite the fallacies like slippery slope fallacies and ad hominem statements. Originally I wanted this to be a full project until I realized that devoting too much time to this wouldn't be worth it in the long run.
@@lesleyblackvelvet7647 Thank you very much! The lack of sources under her videos should have been the first red flag, shame on me for not checking the descriptions too often 😅
palestine will be free. im not saying this bcs im rooting for them. I'm saying this because it's true. It's mentioned in Islam that the day palestine is free, it is not too far from the day of judgement or ''the end of the world''. even if its not now, it will be free one day.
Great work, as usual, Choujimi. This comment is long. I'm sorry. I'm honestly so disappointed and disgusted with Everglow-Up. But some part of me is not surprised. I know I already mentioned this in a reply, but I used to be a fan of her work; and her prior work really did help in my latter half of college to get through it. But, after seeing that post on Instagram, and learning everything I've learned -- I am boycotting her content. I have unfollowed, unsubscribed, and I will not speak any cruel words or try to be mean to her, as that is not helpful. I do think her tone was heavily lacking in empathy and just a general sense of compassion for human kind. I think she needs help, on some level to see how toxic she is. Help that only she can get, if she chooses to admit that she needs it. It's slightly similar to when I stopped following another prominent K-Tuber who stans Red Velvet (I won't name names). The hateful rhetoric and bullying of the viewers got out of control and I couldn't do it. Now, this is like deja vu but much worse. Sorry for this long comment. Thank you for your work, Choujimi. Free Palestine. Boycott Everglow-Up and any other RUclipsrs (K-Tube or not) who act like this, so openly. It's just depressing and disappointing.
Thank you for bringing nuance to this conversation. I disagree with dogpiling on everglow up, at least if only she is able to change the hateful rhetoric she is sharing. Even if it is just for views...
I used to watch her back when she had the stage presence series. Although she was never soft spoken, her speech delivery has just become so much more aggressive and degrading. Very disappointed to see her go down this route.
For some reason Cheryl seems like a person who believes she's always RIGHT, and that she's having aggressive attitude towards a few opinions.(the whole Palestine-Isr*el issue) choosing who to forgive and who to criticize/hate when it comes to cultural appropriation Controversies. None of this sit right to me.
She sounds so annoyed saying that kpop companies and coffee companies having no skin in the game shouldnt be involving themselves just like she who isnt korean thinks she is the unparalleled and foremost critic in kpop.
As an Arab we have been talking about and fighting for this issue since the second world war, even if our government are pro Israel the people have never been, and now that our voices are heard with the majority of the west shutting us up by calling us anti-Semites(yes Arabs and Jewish people have a bad history but most of us don't hate the Jewish we hate Israel the "nation"), Israeli people have been want to take Palestine since before Jesus was even born(that is where most of the problem between us started from) and finally successed after the 2nd world war. It's Ironic that it took this happening for the west to release that this is a problem specially since Arabian ambassadors have been bringing the Palestine problem for at least the past 80 years to the un while being mostly ignored.
I stumbled across everglow-up from her previous videos and tbh I was intrigued by her views but more and more that I started to see her contents, it's like she's call the company/individual "manipulative" and then proceeds to belittle other person's view, call them dumb and ask to grow up/take accountability. Isn't that exactly what manipulators do? I'm so tired of her content, I now watch 1/10 her videos which isn't text book rage type thumbnailed.
I just want her to make a video to clear up what she said and either apologize or explain what she meant. People have been spreading what they claim to be her personal accounts online saying she is a zionist. Idk if those are really her personal account or not, but i just want to know her points before i can tell if I'll continue to follow her or not. Right now I'm just really confused as to why she would say stuff like that when she used to do so much research on controversial topics before
this isn't the first she literally has a whole discord serve and interacts with minors also allows racists and islamophohes in her platform like idk why everyone is confused when she made a whole vid calling African Americans sensitive and telling them to get over racism I can literally write a whole page of the problematic things she done
@@MariamMohamuud-py7zp I guess maybe I just haven't really been active on her former discord server before. I was on it, I used to think that the staffs on there was the reason it shut down. I saw that there was dramas, but I never really payed attention
I don't think there is any excuse or any way of apologizing for this. this isn't just some small drama this is about a genocide. Also looking at her actions i wouldn't count on an apology, we'll probably get some sort of ''I'm not the problem, you are'' video like she usually does.
6:43 🎯 She's not _wrong_ about the roots of the conflict on a surface level, and the implication that "educating yourself" on the past five centuries probably will lead to a more nuanced take on those roots, but she's missing the point: the boycotts and anti-Israel sentiment among kpop fans are because of _genocide._
Thank yuo for this video lol, I follow everglow-up but don't use YT enough to know any of these videos or issues. So thank you for talking abt them, otherwise I might've missed them
I literally just found out about her comments today not even 20 minutes ago. I've always seen her as a reasonable head in the ktube space. A lot of ktubers I follow are very dedicated to the causes they care about, even the very controversial ktubers. Personally I follow people like ajanugu and vixxo and they still have resources linked for stuff they care about (like blm or the palestine situation). And to her 3 points she supposedly came to after extensive research just tells me she didn't research enough. I took a history class and we studied the conflict for 2 months, read books, papers, and watched documentaries and I still couldn't begin to explain the complexity of the conflict. But I can tell you the murder of Palestinians isn't something funny, the honest and honorable attempt at a boycott isn't something you keke about. And yes, not buying your American coffee from starbucks does have implications and it does make a difference. May God Bless Palestine and the folks who did the boycott (even if you don't believe in God you'll be blessed you can't stop it lol).
I'ts not the first time that she's doing this behaviour, a prime example is the Hyunjin video when he was falsely accused of being a bully and she's that it's nothing to what happened to Woojin. I was suscribed to her channel for 4 years and now I'm dissapointed and also upset.
What happened to Woojin doesn't negate what Hyunjin was going through that time. Just because someone had a worse time than other, doesn't mean that other person isn't suffering, too. Also, lil remainder to her that he entered a hiatus after the accusations and people rightfully freaked out, because it's not the first time someone falsely accused of bullying in a group enters a hiatus and then gets kicked out of the group (Soojin and Garam are two big examples of this, that makes the Hyunjin video even worse, because she made a video defending Garam but she couldn't spare the same consideration to someone who was going through the exact same thing a year before? You cannot cherry pick who do you wanna defend of false accusations. I don't know what that says about you, but is not good things, that's for sure)
@@albarr953 tbh both Hyunjin and Woojin still go through alot of shit coz of toxic stays, so we can't say that one went through alot and the other didn't. So i agree with you.
@@kag_17 Yeah, the way some stays talk about Woojin pisses me off, he was proven innocent, so leave him alone. Same for Hyunjin, it was a false accusation, so just stop. Summary of all this: stop throwing baseless hate to people
@@adorablefreedom541 Also kinda sad, because Hyunjin has spoken time and time again that he wants to be recognised by his craft and artistic input, not his visuals
I started watching everglowup about a year ago, I found a really good video about Kep1er that was really decent. Then I saw some other videos that weren't half bad with their opinion of things. However as things went on with her videos I noticed that she did some contradicting things and she just kept getting so mean with everything. Its fine to get upset with things but sometimes just turn off the recorder and cool off.
This was actually one of the very few everglow-up hot takes I agreed with, but I absolutely see why her tone was off-putting to many. I'm 100% pro-Palestine but have thought since I first heard of it that the Big 4 boycott was absurd. It was too nebulous and ultimately misdirected because it was attempting to punish third parties for the actions of foreign governments they have little to no control over. Like, do people genuinely believe that, even if a boycott DID somehow sway the behavior of the Big 4 companies, it would have any effect whatsoever on the folks intent on committing what they consider to be a morally justifiable genocide? I love that people are trying to support Palestine and would never ever fault someone for trying to voice their opinion, though, so even if I predicted that this wasn't necessarily going to be a particularly effective method of enacting actual change, I was glad to see people at least attempting to spread awareness. I agree with you entirely that the biggest impact of the boycott was starting a discussion between ktubers, not actually influencing the actions of the companies targeted by the boycott.
so so true!! boycotting kpop companies will do absolutely nothing, one thing its to ask the companies to not let their idols affiliate with the brands that are being boycotted, but to stop listening and buying their faves or whatever songs? thats just not how it works! and imagine if you were an idol seeing that your fans stopped listening to your music while you did nothing? thats just sad
Did everyone just forget she's said she is Jewish? While there are many Jewish people who do not support what is happening in Palestine, I'm not surprised by some of her opinions
You do not have to be islamic, or any other religion to be able to see that what happens here is a genocide and shouldn't be condoned under any circumstance. that's like saying ''I'm a man so i do not like holding men accountable for grape'' like it's not because you're part of a group of people that it is an excuse for supporting horrible actions.
@@melody3761 You're right it's not an excuse. I was talking more about some of her points about both sides wanting to "eradicate each other" it seems many Jewish people are fixed in that thought process
I unsubscribed after watching her insult someone because they realized they were trans because of an idol because "straight people dont say that". Also her JYP is right video and her recent comments about gen z being snowflakes and how they need to grow up
@@adorablefreedom541 and what's crazy is that the reason JYP was criticized was fairly simple...people don't like JYP whether what he says is right or not, people have always outwardly disagreed with anything he says and even make fun of him because they don't like him at all, she flipped it around to be this abelist rant
i used to actually agree with her opinions, specifically about Mina's situation. i was like oh, finally some common sense here. until, the hyuna's video dropped. it was insensitive and tone deaf at the same time i end up disagree ( and pretty much also questioned her ) with her. her downfall was something unexpected.
as a russian i plea to be mindful while boycotting anyone and anything. i am not talking about sanctions right now, which are coming from government, but about boycotts that we have been facing from companies and institutions since 2021. from movie corporations to universities we are boycotted. we can’t read books, we can see new plays, we can’t go study in west, we can’t work with professors from other countries, we have huge problems with visas, medications and the least goes on. we have to constantly look for ways how to handle it because of the things that we aren’t able to control. of course you are free to have an opinion that’s it’s what we deserve. my point is to be mindful, be sure you understand enough on the issue, because in the end innocent people can end up suffering
Your comment is quite manipulative and "Me! Me! Me!", we don't have to be mindful about boycotting in order to save the lives of innocent people, especially children. If Russia wants to find peace, then stop invading and terrorising Ukraine. That'd be like saying "be careful to not offend the oppressors". Check your privileges
@@tolanisimpson5360 she's asking to be mindful😭. There's no middle ground when it comes to sl*very, col*niz*tion, w*rs, and g*noc*des. You either side with the oppressors or are against them. Girlie needs to check her white privileges😭. Imagine comparing a g*nocide with not watching new movies and studying in the west
@@MimosaRiriYou do realize that Russia and Israel also have innocent people, right? You do realise that this commenter and most people from Russia can't do anything against Putin, right?
@@milli3377 nice gaslighting that nobody buys anymore. Your comment is the same as "you said that apples are better, then you must hate oranges" comment. When the oppressed fight against the oppressors, there isn't time for your rhetorics and appeal to emotion. You realise that there were "innocent people" British people in India under the British rule, but that doesn't mean that they didn't side with the oppressors. Try hard next time
I'm so glad I have no idea what are you all talking about. Seems like it takes out the entertaining aspect of kpop which is the opposed of what we're supposed to do.
0:45 I don’t mean to be offensive or insensitive when I say this but if everyone knows what’s going to happen in regards to Palestine Vs Israel why do anything at all?Im not trolling btw I’m genuinely asking…
a very simple answer, which he went on to state in the video… hope. if humanity always stopped trying in instances where the outcome was seemingly both negative and predictable, the world would be a very different place. nothing is guaranteed, nor set in stone, thus powering the belief that things potentially CAN turn around for the better. most people agree upon the notion that even when things don’t end well, it is better to know you have tried, rather than to have not in the first place. that is why we are continuing to uplift Palestinian voices, boycott, donate, and encourage others to do the same. no matter how pointless it seems, its not over until it’s over.
This whole thing is so strange. She sifted through the available evidence in the Garam case and told us what she was looking at so we could check it ourselves. In at least one video she tracked down an article someone was using to base an argument around and found out it said Irene was a member of blackpink. So like… How do you go from that to just sort of …. Recklessly winging it on one of the most important geopolitical issues of the day?? I’m not even talking about morality here. Other people are handling that side better than I can. I’m just flabbergasted that this even happened. The reaction she got was the most predictable thing in the world.
Because it sends a message. The boycotts, the protests, they're loud and public opinion is shifting against Israel and its supporters. When public opinion shifts it causes world leaders to do something to retain votes. It's pressure. We know, but we need to have hope. Palestinians need to have hope, they want us to have hope, and this gives us hope. And heck it's not like it's doing nothing. Just recently, Justin Trudeau, who's been vehemently supporting Israel has called out the genocide in Gaza. The ICJ has classified what Israel is doing as genocide. It's still awful what's going on, but acting helpless isn't the way to go.
Hi friend! Thank you for being curious on this topic. I've been in activist spaces for a bit and have some insight. 98% of activism fails or doesn't accomplish as much as you want. It's honestly embarrassing and demoralizing work that will have people treating you like you're crazy. However, you still have to keep doing it because there is always that 1-2% chance and ultimately it's the human thing to strive towards improving. Also, activism work can have other effects than the intended goal. There are primary and secondary effects. For example, the primary goal/effect of the boycotts would be to impact the big 4 companies. However, the secondary effect will create conversations among fans about Palestine! As we can see, the boycotts weren't successful in their primary effect but it has been effective in the secondary effect cuz we are talking about it now 😊. Now, take boycotting Starbucks. Primary goal: Get Starbucks to support Palestine (99% chance that won't happen). Secondary effect: Get people talking about Palestine--could lead to donating for the cause or protesting in other ways (pretty effective) Third effect: Get people to be more mindful about capitalism and supporting big companies in general, and encourage buying from local coffee shops (somewhat effective) Fourth effect: Maybe close some Starbucks so that local shops that are more socially mindful can replace them (not super effective but some Starbucks shops will close) Even though the primary goal of a boycott might not be accomplished, participating in it can still have positive effects! I hope you found this helpful!
Everglow is a realistic person...the bandwagon you all are one is mind-boggling. This guy is agreeing with her points clearly but saying she should've said it it softer or differently etc. . Selective outrage is problematic 🥱🥱🥱
Well her takes on the Hyuna thing and on the genocide are just not right. She should educate herself first rather than living in a bubble where she thinks that everything she says is right and complete facts, being an adult with a job and paying taxes doesn't mean that everything you do is right
@@iamakdramaaddict902But I have a question if you don't mind me asking? I get what you're saying is true but if you look at the comments under this video most of them first complain about her speaking tone. Why is that?
@oshuwareafegbai6114 I can't say for sure since everyone has their own reason to comment that, but I think it is mainly due to the reason that her tone suggest that her opinion is (maybe) superior
everglow-ups videos mostly bothers me bc shes always telling people to "wake up" and to be "humble" and to "realize when they're wrong" and to "admit their mistakes" and at the same time she calls everyone who disagrees with her stupid and childish and dumb and its like... 🧍🏻♀ and she also has a habit of quoting advice given to her (mostly by her mom) to back up her arguments and make them seem better then they are. idk ive never really agreed with her in most of her videos even tho she does sometimes have good points. i just feels like it drowns out in the condescending tone she consistently keeps throughout her videos as she presents her own personal feelings as factual arguments...
I swear Jimi, if you weren't here in KTube, i've would lost my mind. Your nuance and calm nature really is necesary
Choujimi has a voice for NPR, seriously. It's so calm and peaceful. 😂
@@nublock5000 Amy don't give the ASMR people any ideas 😭
THIS!! getting a choujimi video in my recommended is like opening the window in a 4 story building at night. so refreshing.
everglow-up is a prime example of kpop stan’s hyping up obviously terrible people because they are “truthful” (edgy). i haven’t watch that channel in yearsss and one scroll on their account literally a week ago proved why i haven’t. text book rage-bait with no substance and obvious weirdo tendencies but they always deliver “hard pills to swallow” about idols people do not care for so they still have a platform.
Ajanugu is one of them
@@Trinityswain I honestly don't get why people keep bringing Ajanugu into this discussion. If you take away any nuance and context, stuff Aja says are probably more outrageous than Everglow-up (sans the Palestine issue), but the difference is that Aja fully embraces this "edgy" image, it's almost like a type of comedy (which I know is not for everyone and I understand why a lot of people hate her), you know, like a bad guy who admits to being a bad guy, while Everglow-up is sort of a hypocrite in this sense, the bad guy who acts like the good guy if you get what I mean.
@@lovelypanda8676true, I've never thought that ajanugu was meant to be likeable. Her content is blatantly made to troll.
Hm not too much on Aja I didn't like that channel either but she's incredibly young she still has a lot of time to learn and she's at that age of being edgy and whatnot
@@greenthingggshe’s literally older than 20 if I’m not wrong. She jokes that shes 16 and since she never really posts her face some people believe her but shes over 20.
I personally think that the short wasn't the start of issues people had with EverGlowUp. It was the Hyuna video that was the chipping of ice but the short was the breaking point for many.
People have had issues with her since her defense of Giselle, if we're being real.
I think it was a problem way before that she makes lots of rage bait content with the defense of don’t attack me for my opinions just because you think differently. While that’s a fine stance that I do agree with as it is a big problem in kpop and on the internet in general she uses that as a shield for criticism when she actively puts down people who disagree with her and try’s to silence them with that argument then when it’s proven she’s actually as bigoted as people thought but felt like they were just being an insane kpop fan who was just mad she didn’t like their fav instead of them actively taking in her very real disgusting treatment of those she disagrees with all those pent up emotions come out with little care for much else which seems more recent when things happen so quickly the Hyuna video gave everyone the yellow light to examine her behavior and their emotions the Palestine boycott comments gave everyone the green light to let it out
Erverglow-Up used to be a Ktuber who was extremely skilled in laying out her arguments in a way that would make me understand where she was coming from, backed up by extrensive research. Lately, I felt like I could not understand her points of view anymore, her language just got provocative and while I used to think that her opinions made so much sense when she gained her platform, I recently found myself disagreeing with basically every single one of her videos. The Hyuna video was one for me, too (it is a fair point to say that Hyuna did not necessarily have a feminist image or that you should not idolize celebrities, BUT to be disappointed if someone you supported did not manage to turn out as a decent human being would be the normal reaction imo). But I still thought maybe she just had worded it strangely (which I thought very untypical for her, actually) and in other videos like the one about Jisoo stans I just thought well, that sounds a little far-fetched, almost like a conspiracy theory, but I mean I can't prove her wrong. The boycott short on the other hand was my eye-opener, I think, and I started to really think about how much her videos and her wording have changed and that maybe she as a Ktuber has changed in the way she presents herself and looks for views on this platform.
In the Hyuna video the only thing I agreed with her was the we shouldn't assume idols as activists or advocates for certain movements if they haven't said so themselves especially since kpop is built on selling an image. Hyuna dating a bystander of the Burning Sun Scandal is more of an insult to the victims than it is to feminism because she never claimed or confirm that she was a feminist.
@@chengetaimubaiwa2239 I kind of agree with that kind of don’t because while fans shouldn’t put those ideals on idols Hyuna 1000% fed into it and benefited from it she also took the scrutiny for it and while we could say it was her image she continued with that image even after she had a lot more creative freedom and public sympathy so her main argument of fans were playing themselves and being upset now falls completely flat this is who Hyuna promoted herself to be to her audience and also even outside of who she presented as her actions were gross to begin with so it’s not really about who she is it’s what she did. She built a community on the back of feminism so of course this thing that anyone would find horrible her community would find even worse no matter what in that Hyuna video she was wrong because fans weren’t wrong for being upset and it wasn’t their own faults they were upset it was Hyuna’s actions
I’ve always kinda disliked everglow-up so I’ve just stopped watching any of her videos. She’s so weirdly aggressively and a little mean for literally no reason.
She thinks so highly of herself it’s odd. She deadass be screaming into the microphone sometimes..
@chuuwantsomeofthissecond!
There are some videos of hers with interesting concepts so I'll tune in. However I feel like she can come off as very passive-aggressive. I think she has the right idea but she doesn't always go about it correctly
@chuuwantsomeofthissame!
i feel as if she doesn’t like ANYTHING lol
Downfall of Everglow Up was not on my 2024 bingo card smh 🤦🏽♂️
same
Not4me
It was gonna happen someday. It just took this long to do so.
I predicted it
@@Haifa386I was praying for it
She literally wrote " whether you cry in the comments or on reddit, it doesn't make a difference " , so i believe she doesn't really care about what she said.
Ob's she doesn't care
Everglow-up contradicting herself is actually not a new thing. I stopped watching her a long time ago for exactly this reason.
She has a pattern in her behavior where she:
- Makes a point to call out a person for their behavior
- Proceeds to do it herself
- And when people call her out for it either:
a. Delete the comments
b. Belittle them
c. Or just blames it on them just being haters or racist cus she's black
(the last one is quite funny for someone like her who made a whole video about how kpop fans misuse words like these, because it 'takes the seriousness of the word away')
She actually made a point saying if a company does something you dont like you should boycott it in another video and now she tells us its "useless" (it's not, I'm in a third world country and the boycott is doing great work they have been losing millions here because our people ACTUALLY care) she uses her videos as a way to validate herself about not doing bare minimum of well... not buying a product that is not needed and easily replaced especially in a 1st world country which she lives in (america)
@@human-wz4fb probably that. But I think it's also mostly because she doesn't like boycots against Israel seeing all of the pro-isreal sh*t she's been posting.
Doesn't she live in Kenya? @@human-wz4fb
@@human-wz4fb Doesn't she live in Zimbabwe tho?
@@human-wz4fbshe isn’t American and doesn’t live there! She has been quite vocal about that.
she has had nasty, weird and anti-woke dog whistle ass takes for a long time now. this situation is disappointing but not at all surprising and im surprised people didnt pick up on her behaviour earlier. including larger creators. she's clearly trying to cater to an audience. and at one point i started wondering if she tries to be edgy and different for clickbait and views. i used to enjoy her content but i really think she should have stuck to kpop and not making videos on issues that are political and harm real groups of people when she hasn't experienced them or is educated on, while trying to pass her opinions off as fact. she also seems to lack empathy in her ''hot takes''. her hyuna video, the jyp was right video where she went on this weird ableist yap at the start about how neurodiverse people are fragile for needing accommodations that the entire video could have done without. it's just bizarre.
she's unable to disagree with people in respectful ways, often calling them delusional and insecure. her weird comments on feminism, and weh this generation is snowflakes and seemingly conservative viewpoints are bizarre to me and all in all? with overwhelming evidence, it just seems like she isn't a very nice person. nothing more nothing less.
Yep. Agree
Agree with everything
BASED😊
i find it weird how she tries to act as if she were a holier than thou gen z because she's "more realistic" as if most of us aren't already at an age where we're in the workforce and KNOW how conservative and shitty the rest of the world is/can be. It's not deluded to want a better world and to try to change things, but since she doesn't seem to see a problem, we're wrong.
her hyuna take was ''feminists mad''. classic tradcon youtuber.
Something that my professor always tells my class is whenever you start to resort to calling people names and labels, it immediately shuts down your point that you were trying to make. The way that she has handled these situations ,although yes she can have these opinions, the way that she delivers that message is just not tolerable or commendable.
Yeah, she has fallen for a classic fallacy: Ad Hominen, attacking the person instead of the argument, which usually tends to signal that you don't have any substantial argument to stand on and you resorted to attacking the person instead. Your teacher is absolutely right, that's one of the big no nos when you do an argumentation/debate. For someone who says they have been doing debates and essays for a long time, she has surely forgot about that key part.
"Nobody actually knows her". I hate to break it to you but dozens of former friends have. Me included. The reason she's going viral IS due to her long time toxic behavior and gaslighting others into thinking that they're the problem. This explosion on her didn't just happen overnight. It wasn't just because of that short on Gaza.
:(
Exactly. The bodies have been piling up for months now and she’s finally being treated the way she treats others.
@@nabicore Yeah, I apologize for not wording that the best - I know you all are aware of her intentions the most, having been closely involved in the egu community before
The only reason I brought it up was over that Instagram story post on the blackmamba_egu account, where she posted the video of (I believe) tom holland saying “if you have a problem with me, call me, and if you don’t have my number, you don’t know me well enough to have a problem with me,” - I didn’t want the ktube community at large “not really knowing her” to be a permissible excuse for her to get away with saying something like this
Its so sad to learn what kind of person she is... I'm so sorry to you and all the friends who were hurt or anything by her
@@choujimi I normally agree with "We don't fully know everyone for real online". Absolutely. This is a good mentality to keep for sure. Although in this case for this channel it doesn't really apply, because even without knowing this ktuber, their channel has been super toxic and offensive/upsetting according to A LOT of the comments I see on recent EGU discussion community posts. I wasn't really aware, because the last time I sat down for an EGU video it was still fairly neutral, but looking at the channel nowadays I definitely see what people mean. And I think we should stop rewarding these overly negative ktube channels. There's a difference between researching hard topics within kpop neutrally and between just painting idols entirely good or bad based on personal bias and preach that as fact.
I (being part Palestinian) was really hurt by her comments/tweets & overall attitude. Not only does it show her ignorance, her language contained the kind of apathy that cuts deep. I know some people are going to find my comment weird but words have meaning.
While I do agee that the kpop boycotts could've been handled better & it could seem pointless, we have to remember that boycotting is one way to help (especially since aid/donations are difficult to get to Gaza). Many of the companies the BDS list directly support/fund Is*ael & the IDF (EX: McDonald & their free meals). Actively avoiding those companies is more than just a moral stance.
Can i know what she said? I've stopped following her long time ago due to some of her weird contradicting opinions
@@kag_17 It was mainly her snakiness & condescending/belittling tone that upset me. It showed how little empathy she has. I'm not sure how someone could talk about such a serious & gruesome situation like that.
There was also a tweet (nabi core shared it on her community page) where she claimed that media/news outlets have been making Gaza out to be the victim the whole time. Meanwhile, a major Canadian news outlet had banned journalists from covering protests, talking about Is*ael's military regime, or even saying "Palestine." Plus, many articles keep switching out the words "killed" with "dead/died." I'm currently studying journalism as my minor & one of the things they remind us of constantly is that word choice matters. Media/the news has a long history of pulling this crap on Palestinians & other POC.
So it's okay to be rude towards Jews? You have to remember Palestine never existed in the ancient times and it was Judea, Palestinians belong to north Africa and in Arab countries. Cope with it nazi.
@@Kermitt_thee_frog23 shut up
If you are part from Palestine you aren't objective from the start when it comes to the conflict, so how valid are your words truly?
I studied a fair amount about Palestine in university and the conclusion that egu comes to is insulting but expected. Organized boycotting sometimes has little to do with the financial, as you stated the success of the Starbucks boycott is about its image. Groups like BDS (boycott, divestment, and sanctions) modelled themselves after the Anti-apartheid movement against South Africa which people would say was successful.
Also......... people aren't only boycotting Starbucks.
*My point* being that demeaning boycotts and saying you need to "do your research" without mentioning BDS or anything else that's being boycotted is careless.
That's my two cents on boycotts. Feel free to disagree on effectiveness/non-effectiveness but obviously egu chose to be belittling before being helpful.
right like she goes on about doing your research but doesn't even mention bds and pretends we're only boycotting starbucks and mcdonalds? and she also pretends that boycotting starbucks of all things is mutually exclusive with taking arguably more impactful actions like protesting or calling your reps or donating??? like no one who is boycotting actually thinks that not drinking starbucks coffee or buying mcnuggets is going to cripple the iof and i genuinely don't know anyone who is doing just that and nothing else and expecting it to solve everything.
Tbh ive been side eyeing everglow up ever since she had made that video gaslighting black kpop stans for speaking up abt cultural appropriation and kpop idols doing things that are just straight up offensive to black ppl cause saying "the world doesn't revolve around black ppl" in the context of kpop is actually such an insane take considering the first ever kpop group was heavily inspired by black culture and music (and on top of the big 4 admitting that black music is the base for their companies) 💀
Many Gen 1 and Gen 2 Kpop groups straight up ripped off concepts from Black groups and singers like TLC, B2K, Omarion, Usher, Destiny's Child, etc. SMTOWN is literally a play on MOTOWN, including the songwriting workshops and having multiple different groups sing a demo for a song.
She's very openly xenophobic towards African and Asian Americans, and has been for quite a while now.
@@goldyd144 I agree with everything you said, E**rg**w Up is just not a good person at all, it was my folly(foolishness) that I ignored her red flags, especially her video on black kpop fans, I continued to be subscribed to her + liked some comments on that video(NOT any racist comments) until that Pro-Isnotreal mess of a short on her short channel Mamba's Rekall.
@@tolanisimpson5360same
her mean girl "kpop fans are stupid" personality just sweeped through an actual real-world topic.
4:25 Small note: She made a video talking about boycotts and she talked about how Orbits performed a succesful one, so it is kinda weird that she said that boycotts do not do damage to companies, when she has previously talked about a succesful boycott to a kpop company (The damage to BBC's image is already done and a lot of people had withdraw their monetary support bc of it). It's a bit of a weird contradiction of her.
(PS: Thank you Choujimi, for always being a calm, reasonable voice in the ktube community and always trying to see alll the nuances of a topic)
(PS2: I do not advocate for people to throw hate towards everglow-up. Call her out on her bulls**t, yes, [she's an adult fully capable of taking decisions, so she has to take responsability on the consequences of her choices] but not baseless attacking her personally. Attack the argument, not the person behind it)
It's because she doesn't dislike boycots, she just dislikes boycots against Israel.
@@melody3761 That makes it even worse, honestly
@@albarr953 fr
@@albarr953 exactly the point.
@@melody3761 that's messed up
I stopped watching EverglowUp a long time ago. She'll make a controversial statement, then do some logical gymnastics in order to prove her point, and then say something along the lines of "this is an undeniable FACT. If you disagree you are blind/stupid/etc." I don't mind when creators have differing opinions to me but her obsession with being 100% right about everything and discouraging people from disagreeing with her is so childish and obnoxious.
she's candice owens of ktube
Exactly!!!
Damn, right she is! I can't believe I used to be a fan of hers...
@@AzahraShayla Same, I ignored her red flags and here we are.
My whole problem with EGU is the fact that she constant brings up that she was on a debate team at some point of her schooling yet doesn’t realize that you could still pose an argument in your “debate” and still be dead wrong. Her superiority complex is what really drove me to look at her differently. I once commented about it on one of her BP related videos but had to delete it cause her & her followers were too defensive to understand where I was coming from. Also it doesn’t help that she never listens to criticism anyway so there’s that too. I’m honestly just waiting for someone to make a video detailing all of her transgressions over the years bc apparently she’s been a menace on Twitter & her discord both in the past past AND the present day.… And everyone can’t be lying so 👀.
I used to watch all of everglowup’s videos, I enjoyed her perspective on things and thought she made interesting content. But then her videos strayed into ad hominem arguments, calling people dumb or spineless for not agreeing with her. I found myself not enjoying her content anymore, so I stopped watching. Until yesterday when I heard about her short, which I wanted to watch so I could formulate my own thoughts and not take other peoples word on what exactly she said. I feel like the past 4 months have changed me forever, the horrors we are seeing have made me bitter and angry and hateful. I can’t imagine what kind of people could justify the atrocities being shared for the world to see, certainly not anyone I want to be around. And what can we do? Honestly, nothing. So you’re right, the boycotts make people feel like they are doing something other than watching people in unimaginable pain and losing their entire families. So hearing her making glib remarks about “both sides” frankly disgusted me. As did her comment about “opening a damn book” because if anyone with any sort of empathy did that, they would see exactly who has been the victim for the past 75 years.
I agree with you on everything you've said. I also used to watch all of her content. I used to low-key be excited for her new uploads. I even thanked for how her videos helped get me through my college years. Now, much to my own regret. But after her recent changes over the past four months, her (allegedly?) rude nature, and the outright despicable reaction to a much bigger, much more serious situation is just wrong. It's honestly kind of heartless the way she reacted, in my opinion. Free Palestine. I don't want to make my comment too long, but I appreciate you sharing this experience you had with her as well.
Same
Same. She had the most thought-out, researched and logical videos on Ktube imo. Now she just belittles everyone who watches her videos and doesn't even stick to her own opinions.
I hesitate to even comment because I don't want to dogpile- because part of me wants to be proven wrong and that she didn't say what she said. I don't like to think ill of people I once admired. I don't think anyone does. I will say that I'm questioning the rationality of making shorts at all on topics like this. You're intentionally choosing a format that limits your ability to actually provide evidence and reasoning, and the least you can do when making this kind of content is actually explain your thoughts instead of just saying to read a book.
Yeah I definitely agree - for a topic that really demands time for a discussion, a youtube short is one of the worst formats to bring it up
Thank you for your awesome video Jimi. It’s so good to know we can count on you to be the calm thinking in Ktuber! I think you’ve made a lot of sense out of this otherwise baffling and confusing situation. I agree 100% with everything you just said. The K-pop boycott was obviously not effective. It did virtually nothing in terms of declining the company’s monetary value or raising awareness; we who have participated in the boycott know and understand it.
Cheryl honestly didn’t need to point it out to us, we knew that a boycott on _K-pop_ was never really gonna make a dent in the industry. But we wanted to try. As you said Jimi these boycotts give us hope that we can contribute to helping Palestine in our own way. Even though we’re fully aware it won’t make any huge impacts in the higher ups of said businesses, we still try because it feels like one of the most powerful ways to get our points across.
It’s actually quite ironic to me that Cheryl finds these boycotts laughable when she herself has expressed how imperative it is for people to make their voices/opinions heard by affecting those corporations wallets. Starbucks has lost a lot because of this boycott, so much so that ALL of their new advertisements focus on “Humanity” and “Starbucks is a community” or whatever _(and I’m being SO serious right now like just yesterday on my Spotify I got a Starbucks ad of this one girl talking about t how Starbucks is just a wonderful community where we get to know customers on a personal level. LIKE NAH y’all can’t act like that when we KNOW jobs in retail suck ass because customers are almost always so snarky and rude ;-;)._ McDonald’s is getting affected by this too. Many other companies and businesses are being boycotted; PEOPLE like musicians and actors and influencers are all being boycotted. While I can understand Cheryl’s point on the Kpop boycott basically achieving nothing (because as someone who participated in it, I have to admit it really didn’t do virtually anything on any level except spark disgusting fanwars), to act like the general boycott for Palestine is ineffective is just not true. Yes it sucks that people on the lower side of the pyramid face the most repercussions, but the company itself is still facing its losses.
You make a great point that Cheryl’s recent contents having really changed in the way that she expresses herself. I never really noticed it but now that you pointed it out you make me realize a lot about her recent videos. Cheryl has always been a big supporter of the idea of educating oneself before speaking. She did that with the Woojin Situation, with Garam, with Jimin and Mina, and with all of her controversial videos. She has said so herself how important it is to be cautious and responsible with her platform, knowing VERY WELL what misinformation can do to both those who spew it and those who believe. I guess that’s really the most baffling part about this whole situation to me; Cheryl has said those kinds of things throughout her time as a ktuber and, more importantly, has SHOWN THROUGH HER ACTIONS and video contents that she finds them important. Even when you disagree with her you HAVE to admit that she makes great points because she always did.
So how could someone who has consistently believed in “Must be educated before speaking” and “Always be responsible with your platform” say things like _THIS?!?_ An absolute uneducated, misinformed nonsense of a statement; and on such a horrific situation!? The woman who prided herself in being a voice of reason in K-pop, who always read deeper into the story than what people see, is talking like that about a political issue as huge as this? Absolutely baffling. It through me for a loop to be honest!
Let me be clear, I’ve always respected and looked up to Cheryl. Even now, I hate to admit part of me still does. She’s impacted a lot in my life, taught me life lessons I barely even learn in school, taught me to be confident, and to just get up and do shit. That meant a lot to me, and I’m sure a lot of people out there agree. I can’t hate her or be hateful towards her. I could never bring myself to. I wholeheartedly admit that she has been a positive influence on me and given me more than a lot of people have.
But that’s why I can no longer support her. She taught me ( and many others) how to think critically and conduct myself online; and through these lessons I’ve learned from her all i can say is that she fucked up BIG TIME. She needs to listen to the criticism and understand that. But I know she most likely never will. Much like what she said about Jennie, Cheryl is shielded from both hate and criticisms because many of her fans will keep supporting her and going after everyone who disagrees. It’s saddening to think that a community I so loved and cherished is just going to become mindless Egu Stan’s. I don’t know what to make of it if I’m honest.
There’s a lot of other things I want to point out. Her lack of providing clear evidence for her statement, the fact that she expressed this all in a short (which she has said before is a TERRIBLE way to express one’s opinions because you only need 60s to spread Misinformation that people will EAT UP wholeheartedly), the statement itself, and you know I could go on and on about how much I hate this situation. But it won’t change anything. Cheryl is Cheryl, and that is the one constant here. She won’t change her mind; she won’t see what she’s done as wrong or immoral. Much like the end result of this genoc!de, we know all to well what will become of this Cheryl situation. I just don’t want to believe it yet…
I know I have no real right to be disappointed in her, because I don’t know her personally enough to have had high expectations for her in the first place, but I am. And a lot of her closest friends and supporters are too. She was someone I admired and respected so much, but she’s really REALLY fucked up now. She needs to know that and own up to it.
Sorry for the long rant. But this all upsets me so much. I expected better from someone like her, and she disappointed a lot of people..
Anyways though, keep doing whatever we can so show our support for Palestine!! That is our focus. The people in Rafah and Nasser Hospital are currently suffering with no where left to go. Keep posting, sharing, boycotting, protesting, and doing all that is within your power and abilities!
FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸🍉
I've said this countless times already...this is literally her attitude since the beginning and it just reached a boiling point. People simply just let her do her thing without even giving some form of critique or opposition. It wouldnt have been this political if people just vetoed some of her opinions; thus she's in a virtual echo chamber that has been boiling to this point.
i honestly used to really like everglow-up she was one of my fav ktubers but in the last few months i think she just turned into one of those ktubers that just does it for the engagements her points have gotten weaker over time and as you said she mostly just calls everyone dumb and acts like she knows better than everyone else
I agree. I must admit that at first i thought she has some kind of right to call people dumb because, let's face it, kpop fans aren't the brightest people unfortunately and we are known to be one of the worst fandoms. So her takes where she kinda dragged childlish, obsessive stans were refreshing to see. But her behavior for last couple months stopped sitting well with me
my biggest problem with her was her holier than thou attitude . the way she present points in a way that makes their viewers seem crazy, stupid, "uneducated" has always rubbed me the wrong way.
on their responding to comments video on their second channel, they berated and belittled so many of their commenters. granted, some did deserve it but she quite literally contradicted herself multiple times in that video by mentioning personal attacks not being a valid talking point. the video title is LITERALLY called "responding to brain-dead comments about my unpopular k-pop opinions". she repeatedly calls commenters slow, stupid, braindead, etc. cheryl is 26. her commenters, who lets be honest, are obviously much younger. not only is this so off-putting but just incredibly aggressive to a bunch of comments she could have deleted or ignored but instead, chose to amplify them and push harassment towards them in the original video.
apparently people in her discord also found calling hamas terroists and being transphobic before deleting it and im honestly not that surprised. her behavior always seemed off to me but im glad people are realizing the dogwhistles in her videos. its what strayed me from her channel for so long
for someone who preaches about critical thinking and escaping echo chamber, you would think some of her subscribers would be neutral even regarding her opinions but so many people defend and agree with whatever they say like it's the gospel. it's okay to disagree. i know sure as hell i've disagreed with you even. and that's perfectly okay. just don't blindly regurgitate everything they say is all i feel
Hamas are terrorists tho
There’s no way that everyone would come to the same conclusion, even if they researched and educated themselves on this. Not everyone would be of one mind even after doing that… What an interesting thing for her to say.
I don’t think Everglow-up is a bad person either, I just think that sometimes the way in which she comes across in her vids while explaining her points of view is really interesting. I remember when she said that in a debate, you shouldn’t attack the person, you should attack the argument, but is it attacking the argument when you call a person weak minded, or childish for having the opposite opinion?
Even if I want to call a person silly, or childish for having an opinion, I don’t because if I insult them, they’re less likely to listen, and also it’s an emotional response, not one based on rationale.
It’s like telling a person that their business is a scam before trying to give sound advice on how they can improve their product. The person with the business is less likely to listen to me because I just insulted him and said that he’s a scam artist.
But I do agree with you also on the whole, throwing tomatoes in her comment section because they don’t have any argument against what she saying, (which from the listeners is not cool either). Once again, very well said Choujimi 👍
This is actually one of the reasons why I’ve been trying my best not to chuckle when it comes to serious issues. It’s just a personality thing. L O L I’m trying jimi 😂
My respect for you and your content keeps growing more and more when I see videos like this. "There has to be some sort of checks and balances system in this community when you've gone too far". I respect that and I agree.
@@moonlight_antonio I have that problem too! I don’t know why, but I often laugh out of habit regarding serious issues 😭 I appreciate the nice comments as always, and definitely agree with your sentiments. Insulting/belittling people as part of an argument is going to make it incredibly hard for them to ever want to listen to it
i actually feel sick hearing what she said about the genocide. she's just loud and wrong
Just because she thinks differently than you it doesn't mean she's wrong. We complain about her making it seem like her opinions are 100% the truth, but then people like you comment stuff like this. You can agree or disagree with someone's world views, but that doesn't make them wrong.
Im so glad you and nabi core are speaking out
before I say this, I am not dogpiling on anyone but when I saw the short it sort of just connected in my mind
egu wants to be wise, she has gained a reputation for having a different opinion and perspective than of the ‘hive mind’ of the k-pop community, and Cheryl has been applauded for her approach. I think she thinks she is wiser than the rest of the k-pop community, she thinks has more experience of the real world or vice versa, i don’t know her so I can’t tell however her tone and her wording in her most recent videos makes me believe this conclusion.
however, nobody can ever be wise or smarter than the rest because that is just impossible, you can know a lot about one area but nothing about another, and i think that’s the greatest flaw of her content, she pretends to know it all (again not dogpiling, more an analysis of character and the way she presents herself on her channel, i do not know her personally and I never will).
she should address this, the way she spoke in that video let alone her incorrect rhetoric (and the end) was just insane. she probably will not and a lot of her behavior now is just making a part of me think this is a bit of how edgy she can get with her content and how far she can piss off the community if I’m being honest.
did the boycott work? no. I was quite critical of it at first (I mean see my comment on the boycott video), but now I think it’s a good thing, it causes moral and helps us try and keep hope when it seems like there is none left. no, we cannot do anything individually as people against the governments who are backing up the Israeli side with weapons for this ‘war’ (genocide), however we can still use our voices to fight against it and spread awareness of what is going on in Gaza, we should not let people forget what is happening and what has happened. no matter what, free Palestine 🇵🇸, always.
sorry for such a long winded comment, watching this play out was.. a lot. however I’m grateful people are talking about this and spreading awareness about what is going on, and also probably reminding people what is happening. thank you.
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The mentality of "I'm right and all of you are wrong" can be extremely dangerous. Having an opinion that a majority do not share doesn't make your opinion automatically right. I think part of growing your critical thinking skills is accepting that there are cases where the majority is in the wrong, cases where the majority is on the right and cases where there is more than one valid opinion, it all depends on the subject matter and the context
@@albarr953 I think that’s the mentality more recently that egu has had, especially taking in that short and the tone she spoke in makes me assume she thinks that she is definitely correct. I didn’t mean to say that having a different opinion instantly means you’re right if that makes sense, but I do agree with you, it all matters on context.
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@@coralskpopcorner No, no, you expressed yourself very well and very clearly, I just wanted to add to your point. And I also agree that her not even explaining why she thinks that, considering how much she has talked about the importance of building your arguments. I've also both done multiple essays and studied rhetoric and how to argument as part of my high school content, and one of the things they told to us all the time is the importance of "nuancer" (aka add nuance) all the parts of our arguments and essays. So the lack of it in that short is concerning (once again, a short is not the best place to explain yourself, much less on a topic like this)
@coralskpopcorner i believe they are agreeing with you (cmiiw)
@@albarr953 my bad! I have a habit of misreading tone haha
See, I'd personally think that she used to be a valuable member of K-tube when she made videos about Woojin, Jimin, Garam, Wonyoung and bunch of her stage presence analysis which were something new and creative back then.
As in last couple months? Definitely not. Her recent content is Hyuna's video, the short about Palestine, clickbait-y short with Lily, multiple Hwasa's videos, that short with G-idle fans, community post about G-dragon, Keena, Aespa's stage presence, Nmixx's music... you get a point.
And I'm not saying she's all wrong in all of them actually, but I'm saying that she clearly no longer has a personality that could hold good channel. Maybe she never had and was testing water, but I've said it already on few of her comment sections some weeks ago; she has become worse than people she used to call out.
Honestly i wonder if she really wanted to defend these unjustifiably cancelled idols or she just wanted to make a rage bait. I started watching her channel because of Jimin videos (I followed AOA for some time, and this dragging of Jimin seemed unnecessary to me so when i saw someone defending her I've become interested) and without a doubt, these kinds of videos were the ones to make her popular.
@@zosiexofficialDepends if she likes them seemingly.
@@AB-yk2pqdon't forget bangchan the stuff she said about him is crazy like girl you was defending woojin garam and other like her life Dependent on it. But the second an idols does nothing but just share their opinion your mad like girl shut the fuck u
Thank you for this video. I'm honestly just saddened to confirm that all the language she had been using in her videos for a while now, which VERY much resembled that of conservative online speakers, was backed by actual beliefs
She'd make a great political commentator. Sad that she infected K-pop with her belief system.
I’m very glad I came across this video! (and your channel)
Thank you! This is a great take and sums up some of the thoughts I have about this situation very well
the only thing most of us can do is to boycott and it works only if we stick to it for a long time. if someone does not want to boycott that is okay, but do not tell others that it is useless or funny, respect their viewpoint. As for K-pop, we have to boycott at full, including album sales, tickets, merch, and so on. streaming is really the last thing that brings money to the company.
I subscribed to everglow-up earlier in 2023, but as time passed I noticed that her content became more about K-pop fandoms and less about K-pop, music, or her opinion about K-pop. I already had enough of the fandoms on twitter or RUclips shorts, I know how toxic and stupid some of them are sometimes, and I don't want to spend time watching a video that reminds me of that. Instead, I would watch some other ktuber analyzing music or music video and give something to think about and discuss with respect. that's why I unsubscribed her channel.
Tbh she's more of a political commentator than a K-pop RUclipsr at this rate.
@@lesleyblackvelvet7647 I agree, it is okay to watch her videos for people who like that kind of content. but personally, I am done with toxic or childish kpop fans, I don't need to watch another commentary video about it.
I definitely don't think boycott are useless but the way kpop fans and people on twitter are approaching it to other people is extremely toxic. Giving people death treath because they can't boycott. Saying they should get slaughtered and shamed because they can't give up their food is very not okay-
@@ruoqifang you are right, I also think that kpop fans have not boycotted properly. and I also saw instances of being toxic over not boycotting or even boycotting on twitter.
Thank you for speaking what new fans of Everglow-Up want to say. I only watched her because of her Kep1er rearrangement video, and was so happy with the changes, so when THAT video dropped, I just... kinda blanked out. Who was this person trying to convince me that her opinions are facts? I used to agree with so many points of her videos, and honestly, still do. Idk, suddenly, it just becomes weird, like, when a character gets flanderized by a new writer.
People did came up with good arguments and even pinpointed how flawed her argument was with stating the right information but to instead she responded with "keep crying" smh.
And she's pro Israel so I don't think she gonna apologize she dislikes Palestinians you can see that In her tweets
U perfectly summoned up everything I felt and agreed with, thank you 🫶
I still remember being shocked at how tone deaf that short was like she completely missed every single point so badly
Surprisingly i saw alot of comment trying to educate her instead is attacking her. Its her personal belief she probably should have kept to herself. Her video made people dig up her tweets and personal Instagram and discord serves. She really shot herself in the foot she lost subs. I used to someone who would watch every video she put out because she seemed logical with most thing she said but after that i literally felt disgust to point that i actually threw up. Her way of 'sticking it' to people didn't help either
I started watching her when she was releasing videos on Kwon Mina and Woojin and although I found her tone of voice a bit abrasive and noticed a few instances where she got some information about mental health stuff wrong, her videos were still well put together and entertaining. In her later videos I still thought that her takes were well thought out and nuanced even if my own opinions tended to differ from hers or I interpreted the evidence in a different way.
Lately though she has been giving some straight up terrible takes like calling people with adhd weak for requesting accommodations for their disability, or getting pissed at Gdragon for his charity thing because she believed it was only for PR.
I really wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt on this one since it seemed like her point was boycotting the big 4 was not an effective method to enact change and she tried to take the neutral stance on the bigger issue since she hadn’t done as much research on the non-kpop side, but then I found out she uses Zionist rhetoric on her other platforms.
Excellent, well-thought out video. Thank you!
I get that the boycott didn't work as we wanted to, but laughing at people and saying that both sides are trying to errdicate each other(when one of those are suffering in a more awful way) let's a bitter take on my mind about her (I was really a fan, I agree with her in various points in her video; but this short feels... You get it, I can't say it in words)
Huh??!!!!😀
I take a step away from Kpop and come back to this mess?!! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I don't have much anything to add that you haven't already said (mainly cause I don't follow everglow-up and haven't watched her videos in a long while), so I want to take the time to commend you, choujimi, in using your platform to offer another (really, the correct) perspective and speak out against the ignorant things everglow-up put out.
It's unfortunate that there's even a division on the matter of genocide. ☹
But it's more important especially now for people who have a platform to speak about this topic where and when it matters do so, cause the government is a failure in all ways possible, to put it lightly.
Like you said even the seemingly minute and impromptu Kpop boycott (even if it wasn't effetive in shifting the Big4 away from collabing with XYZ corporations) AT THE VERY LEAST gives ley people, who maybe can't donate or have a massive following, some sense of agency and purpose to help in some capacity against all odds. It's so important that we find ways to take control where we can. Isn't that what the point of all of this is? Whether intentional or not, takes like everglow-up's are dangerous and disempowering. Doing and saying nothing about the Gaza situation will inevitably lead to nothing changing, so can't we at least try something?
And I genuinely don't think the boycott was a complete "waste." If there's anything that can be done about the Big4 boyccott now is to mindfully dissect what worked and what didn't work to implement a more tactical strategy for future mass awareness campaigns.
‼‼‼ For example, JYP and 4 of his groups are releasing a collab with (crook)a-cola. This is a prime example of a specific and timely thing to boycott and actively petition against (maybe even mass report if you ask me 😼😈🤭💅🏾😏)‼‼‼
Like, as much as I love NMIXX, I am not watching that video or streaming the song!! I don't even know the release date lol... 🙃
Also wanted to add that in your community post about cheryl's take on gen-z, you said that you might take the video down. Personally (you are free to do what makes you comfortable), I think any piece of commentary, except blantant hateful ones, is necessary and should continue to exist for the bigger picture/progression of rhetoric and discussion. If there's anything that needs to be amended, I think it should be it's own separate/follow up video, but that's my 2 cents. 💆🏾♀️
Exactly. I'm a huge midzy and casual listener of nmixx and stray kids but i'm not gonna watch the video. How come jype made a move like that at this moment?
She is literally acting the same way she theorized Hwasa was acting. That's when you've always recieved criticism but when a serious situation pops up you brush the criticism off as people just hating. And this is why she been "unbothered" by the backlash and has carried on making content. I really hope that she sees the error of her ways and takes accountability ( oh that beautiful word ).
Lol isn't it ironic she made a video on facts about fiction, arguing that kpop youtubers like her should stick to talking about kpop and not politics like choice feminism and yet she did that very thing- talking about an even more serious political issue.
Thank you so much for talking about this. Seeing how many Ktubers are talking about this and raising awareness for Palestine warms my heart ♥️ and I’m glad this creator is getting called out. I stumbled across some of her content but avoided her videos because it felt like she was just screaming at her viewers the whole time… thought it was just a preference thing but clearly there was more to that gut feeling
I unfollowed everglow-up a while ago. She used to be my favorite ktuber and I loved her opinion on things TILL the garam incident happend, at the beginning she claimed to b a lsrf fan, when garam was kicked she started defending her (which I really appreciated back then) BUT for some reason she changed her mind about lsrf. Blaming fearnots about hate trains and fandom wars. Targeting fearnots and le sserafim in almost every discussion. overall she stoped talking about lsrf in a positive way.
Then.... her stupid boycott video happened. I just couldn't believe it, I knew she was a toxic person who likes to anger people but hearing her DEFEND ISRAEL? and making fun of people for caring about palestine??? What is she on? I realized what kind of person she is. For me, she is a hypocrite.
I'm not a lsrf fan but the way you described how she changed her mind about the group and the fandom is terribly similar to how she talked/talks about skz and stays for years, with the difference that Woojin already left the group when his accusations came at him and she praised skz in her stage presence videos despite targeting the fandom in every discussion (and she was right at first, the fandom is toxic and, since it's a big one, it will always have rotten apples in it).
The video she made about Chan was the nail in the coffin but, before that video, I remember how she wasn't liking the group as much as before in her livestream. At the time, I brushed off that dislike since her main argument was her not being able to enjoy their new music as before, which is a fair argument.
Also, I don't know you, but I never liked how she talks about almost all the idols she defended over the years. I can only talk about Woojin, since he's the one she mostly talks about it on her channel. In three/four years since she became a stan of him, I almost never saw her praising him in any way, shape or form. She only praised him once during one of her "awards" and that's it. The man had three comebacks, a tour, starred both in a movie and in a drama and Everglow-up never talked about these things in her videos but god forbid if she forgets to mention his scandal when she needs to target Stays (and Chan in the long run) in her videos.
I'm pretty sure that, if Garam started her solo career, Everglow-up would have just made a post about it on her community or other social media and then coming back bringing up her scandal in her videos about lsrf and that's it. Which shows once again her hypocrisy. She always complains about pity stanning and yet, she pushes the pity stanning by keeping to victimize the idols she defended and never talking positively about them.
It would have been a matter of time before Everglow-up's internet persona would have fallen off, since she's been controversial for a year and so. The short about the boycott has just been the huge wake up call.
@faceglitch. Also, a literal hypocrite when it came to the bullying stuff. Heard about the Discord drama that happened with her and to me it's just her gaining bullet points and pity buzzwords such as sympathizing with the situation even though people don't have the full picture of everything all just to boost her ego.
She talked about how critical thinking is dying is dying in K-Pop yet not only does she not propose a solution to it but rather exploits it for her benefit. I've found so many logical fallacies and research errors in her content that I would not recommend any of it to anyone.
@@lesleyblackvelvet7647 I've heard about the Discord thing about her too, even though I don't have the full picture, since I wasn't there. To be honest, that situation explains why some k-tubers who were previously friends with her such as Nabicore, Planet Minjae and Blossom Ink distanced/cut ties with her after a while. And I'm not surprised she nuked the server after one of her friends called a user a terrorist because they spoke for Palestine. Everglow-up has an habit to delete/hide everything that might damage her reputation because she needs to keep the perfect image she built over the years. The biggest example are the livestreams, which get privated after a while.
I think I might have noticed some fallacies on her videos as time went by but, since English is not my first language, I didn't noticed them immediately. If you could provide me her more common research errors she showed in her videos, I would appreciate it ^_^
@faceglitch. I've checked video descriptions and found little to no sources cited regarding the numbers she tends to post, especially in the "docuseries" she claims to post when instead they're just posting tirades just to come off as factual. Ever since I found out about this I refuse to acknowledge her as a legitimate source again ( I'd go watch Ploopy if I wanted to know about the real stuff behind the current HYBE drama ). In addition, I did some fallacy analysis ( both personal reading of the transcripts of her videos as well as processing them through AI ) and found quite the fallacies like slippery slope fallacies and ad hominem statements. Originally I wanted this to be a full project until I realized that devoting too much time to this wouldn't be worth it in the long run.
@@lesleyblackvelvet7647 Thank you very much! The lack of sources under her videos should have been the first red flag, shame on me for not checking the descriptions too often 😅
palestine will be free. im not saying this bcs im rooting for them. I'm saying this because it's true. It's mentioned in Islam that the day palestine is free, it is not too far from the day of judgement or ''the end of the world''. even if its not now, it will be free one day.
Ameen inshallah
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Great work, as usual, Choujimi. This comment is long. I'm sorry. I'm honestly so disappointed and disgusted with Everglow-Up. But some part of me is not surprised. I know I already mentioned this in a reply, but I used to be a fan of her work; and her prior work really did help in my latter half of college to get through it. But, after seeing that post on Instagram, and learning everything I've learned -- I am boycotting her content. I have unfollowed, unsubscribed, and I will not speak any cruel words or try to be mean to her, as that is not helpful. I do think her tone was heavily lacking in empathy and just a general sense of compassion for human kind. I think she needs help, on some level to see how toxic she is. Help that only she can get, if she chooses to admit that she needs it. It's slightly similar to when I stopped following another prominent K-Tuber who stans Red Velvet (I won't name names). The hateful rhetoric and bullying of the viewers got out of control and I couldn't do it. Now, this is like deja vu but much worse. Sorry for this long comment. Thank you for your work, Choujimi. Free Palestine. Boycott Everglow-Up and any other RUclipsrs (K-Tube or not) who act like this, so openly. It's just depressing and disappointing.
Thank you for bringing nuance to this conversation. I disagree with dogpiling on everglow up, at least if only she is able to change the hateful rhetoric she is sharing. Even if it is just for views...
I used to watch her back when she had the stage presence series. Although she was never soft spoken, her speech delivery has just become so much more aggressive and degrading. Very disappointed to see her go down this route.
For some reason Cheryl seems like a person who believes she's always RIGHT, and that she's having aggressive attitude towards a few opinions.(the whole Palestine-Isr*el issue) choosing who to forgive and who to criticize/hate when it comes to cultural appropriation Controversies. None of this sit right to me.
She sounds so annoyed saying that kpop companies and coffee companies having no skin in the game shouldnt be involving themselves just like she who isnt korean thinks she is the unparalleled and foremost critic in kpop.
As an Arab we have been talking about and fighting for this issue since the second world war, even if our government are pro Israel the people have never been, and now that our voices are heard with the majority of the west shutting us up by calling us anti-Semites(yes Arabs and Jewish people have a bad history but most of us don't hate the Jewish we hate Israel the "nation"), Israeli people have been want to take Palestine since before Jesus was even born(that is where most of the problem between us started from) and finally successed after the 2nd world war. It's Ironic that it took this happening for the west to release that this is a problem specially since Arabian ambassadors have been bringing the Palestine problem for at least the past 80 years to the un while being mostly ignored.
You aren't being objective with your argument.
I stumbled across everglow-up from her previous videos and tbh I was intrigued by her views but more and more that I started to see her contents, it's like she's call the company/individual "manipulative" and then proceeds to belittle other person's view, call them dumb and ask to grow up/take accountability. Isn't that exactly what manipulators do? I'm so tired of her content, I now watch 1/10 her videos which isn't text book rage type thumbnailed.
I just want her to make a video to clear up what she said and either apologize or explain what she meant. People have been spreading what they claim to be her personal accounts online saying she is a zionist. Idk if those are really her personal account or not, but i just want to know her points before i can tell if I'll continue to follow her or not. Right now I'm just really confused as to why she would say stuff like that when she used to do so much research on controversial topics before
this isn't the first she literally has a whole discord serve and interacts with minors also allows racists and islamophohes in her platform like idk why everyone is confused when she made a whole vid calling African Americans sensitive and telling them to get over racism I can literally write a whole page of the problematic things she done
@@MariamMohamuud-py7zp I guess maybe I just haven't really been active on her former discord server before. I was on it, I used to think that the staffs on there was the reason it shut down. I saw that there was dramas, but I never really payed attention
I don't think there is any excuse or any way of apologizing for this. this isn't just some small drama this is about a genocide.
Also looking at her actions i wouldn't count on an apology, we'll probably get some sort of ''I'm not the problem, you are'' video like she usually does.
@@MariamMohamuud-py7zpthough African American k-pop stans are indeed sensitive, she acts like it’s a bad thing. It’s okay to be sensitive.
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She's not _wrong_ about the roots of the conflict on a surface level, and the implication that "educating yourself" on the past five centuries probably will lead to a more nuanced take on those roots, but she's missing the point: the boycotts and anti-Israel sentiment among kpop fans are because of _genocide._
Thank yuo for this video lol, I follow everglow-up but don't use YT enough to know any of these videos or issues. So thank you for talking abt them, otherwise I might've missed them
Btw just saw you reached 3k+ subs
I started watching you when you were around 100+ followers
You're doing an amazing job!❤️
This is very well said
I literally just found out about her comments today not even 20 minutes ago. I've always seen her as a reasonable head in the ktube space. A lot of ktubers I follow are very dedicated to the causes they care about, even the very controversial ktubers. Personally I follow people like ajanugu and vixxo and they still have resources linked for stuff they care about (like blm or the palestine situation). And to her 3 points she supposedly came to after extensive research just tells me she didn't research enough. I took a history class and we studied the conflict for 2 months, read books, papers, and watched documentaries and I still couldn't begin to explain the complexity of the conflict. But I can tell you the murder of Palestinians isn't something funny, the honest and honorable attempt at a boycott isn't something you keke about. And yes, not buying your American coffee from starbucks does have implications and it does make a difference. May God Bless Palestine and the folks who did the boycott (even if you don't believe in God you'll be blessed you can't stop it lol).
I'ts not the first time that she's doing this behaviour, a prime example is the Hyunjin video when he was falsely accused of being a bully and she's that it's nothing to what happened to Woojin. I was suscribed to her channel for 4 years and now I'm dissapointed and also upset.
What happened to Woojin doesn't negate what Hyunjin was going through that time. Just because someone had a worse time than other, doesn't mean that other person isn't suffering, too.
Also, lil remainder to her that he entered a hiatus after the accusations and people rightfully freaked out, because it's not the first time someone falsely accused of bullying in a group enters a hiatus and then gets kicked out of the group (Soojin and Garam are two big examples of this, that makes the Hyunjin video even worse, because she made a video defending Garam but she couldn't spare the same consideration to someone who was going through the exact same thing a year before? You cannot cherry pick who do you wanna defend of false accusations. I don't know what that says about you, but is not good things, that's for sure)
@@albarr953 tbh both Hyunjin and Woojin still go through alot of shit coz of toxic stays, so we can't say that one went through alot and the other didn't. So i agree with you.
@@kag_17 Yeah, the way some stays talk about Woojin pisses me off, he was proven innocent, so leave him alone. Same for Hyunjin, it was a false accusation, so just stop. Summary of all this: stop throwing baseless hate to people
@@adorablefreedom541 Also kinda sad, because Hyunjin has spoken time and time again that he wants to be recognised by his craft and artistic input, not his visuals
I started watching everglowup about a year ago, I found a really good video about Kep1er that was really decent. Then I saw some other videos that weren't half bad with their opinion of things. However as things went on with her videos I noticed that she did some contradicting things and she just kept getting so mean with everything. Its fine to get upset with things but sometimes just turn off the recorder and cool off.
This was actually one of the very few everglow-up hot takes I agreed with, but I absolutely see why her tone was off-putting to many. I'm 100% pro-Palestine but have thought since I first heard of it that the Big 4 boycott was absurd. It was too nebulous and ultimately misdirected because it was attempting to punish third parties for the actions of foreign governments they have little to no control over. Like, do people genuinely believe that, even if a boycott DID somehow sway the behavior of the Big 4 companies, it would have any effect whatsoever on the folks intent on committing what they consider to be a morally justifiable genocide? I love that people are trying to support Palestine and would never ever fault someone for trying to voice their opinion, though, so even if I predicted that this wasn't necessarily going to be a particularly effective method of enacting actual change, I was glad to see people at least attempting to spread awareness. I agree with you entirely that the biggest impact of the boycott was starting a discussion between ktubers, not actually influencing the actions of the companies targeted by the boycott.
so so true!! boycotting kpop companies will do absolutely nothing, one thing its to ask the companies to not let their idols affiliate with the brands that are being boycotted, but to stop listening and buying their faves or whatever songs? thats just not how it works! and imagine if you were an idol seeing that your fans stopped listening to your music while you did nothing? thats just sad
Did everyone just forget she's said she is Jewish? While there are many Jewish people who do not support what is happening in Palestine, I'm not surprised by some of her opinions
I thought she claimed Christianity??
@@OGseoulite I remember said she in one of her videos on Chaeyoung she is Christian, but is of Jewish descent/ethnicity
You do not have to be islamic, or any other religion to be able to see that what happens here is a genocide and shouldn't be condoned under any circumstance. that's like saying ''I'm a man so i do not like holding men accountable for grape'' like it's not because you're part of a group of people that it is an excuse for supporting horrible actions.
@@melody3761 You're right it's not an excuse. I was talking more about some of her points about both sides wanting to "eradicate each other" it seems many Jewish people are fixed in that thought process
@@melody3761 YES, i'm a christian and i'm quater half german and my family get affected by the n*zi and i definitely stand by palestine people 100%
I unsubscribed after watching her insult someone because they realized they were trans because of an idol because "straight people dont say that". Also her JYP is right video and her recent comments about gen z being snowflakes and how they need to grow up
@@adorablefreedom541 and what's crazy is that the reason JYP was criticized was fairly simple...people don't like JYP whether what he says is right or not, people have always outwardly disagreed with anything he says and even make fun of him because they don't like him at all, she flipped it around to be this abelist rant
i think that asking for the end of an ongoing occupation is fundamentally different from eradicating a population
i used to actually agree with her opinions, specifically about Mina's situation. i was like oh, finally some common sense here. until, the hyuna's video dropped. it was insensitive and tone deaf at the same time i end up disagree ( and pretty much also questioned her ) with her. her downfall was something unexpected.
as a russian i plea to be mindful while boycotting anyone and anything. i am not talking about sanctions right now, which are coming from government, but about boycotts that we have been facing from companies and institutions since 2021. from movie corporations to universities we are boycotted. we can’t read books, we can see new plays, we can’t go study in west, we can’t work with professors from other countries, we have huge problems with visas, medications and the least goes on.
we have to constantly look for ways how to handle it because of the things that we aren’t able to control.
of course you are free to have an opinion that’s it’s what we deserve. my point is to be mindful, be sure you understand enough on the issue, because in the end innocent people can end up suffering
Your comment is quite manipulative and "Me! Me! Me!", we don't have to be mindful about boycotting in order to save the lives of innocent people, especially children. If Russia wants to find peace, then stop invading and terrorising Ukraine. That'd be like saying "be careful to not offend the oppressors". Check your privileges
@@MimosaRiri Thank you so much, you said EXACTLY what I was thinking of this tone deaf comment.
@@tolanisimpson5360 she's asking to be mindful😭. There's no middle ground when it comes to sl*very, col*niz*tion, w*rs, and g*noc*des. You either side with the oppressors or are against them. Girlie needs to check her white privileges😭. Imagine comparing a g*nocide with not watching new movies and studying in the west
@@MimosaRiriYou do realize that Russia and Israel also have innocent people, right? You do realise that this commenter and most people from Russia can't do anything against Putin, right?
@@milli3377 nice gaslighting that nobody buys anymore. Your comment is the same as "you said that apples are better, then you must hate oranges" comment. When the oppressed fight against the oppressors, there isn't time for your rhetorics and appeal to emotion. You realise that there were "innocent people" British people in India under the British rule, but that doesn't mean that they didn't side with the oppressors. Try hard next time
Waiting for her to change her pronouns from she/her to nor/mal at this point.
It smells like illuminaughtti all over again lol
Can we alienate the West from the rest of us?
I thought you were talking about Everglow for a moment!
Can sb tell me which video y’all r talking about or did she delete it ?
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Do you have a discord server for us to join?
I'm so glad I have no idea what are you all talking about. Seems like it takes out the entertaining aspect of kpop which is the opposed of what we're supposed to do.
0:45 I don’t mean to be offensive or insensitive when I say this but if everyone knows what’s going to happen in regards to Palestine Vs Israel why do anything at all?Im not trolling btw I’m genuinely asking…
a very simple answer, which he went on to state in the video… hope.
if humanity always stopped trying in instances where the outcome was seemingly both negative and predictable, the world would be a very different place. nothing is guaranteed, nor set in stone, thus powering the belief that things potentially CAN turn around for the better.
most people agree upon the notion that even when things don’t end well, it is better to know you have tried, rather than to have not in the first place.
that is why we are continuing to uplift Palestinian voices, boycott, donate, and encourage others to do the same. no matter how pointless it seems, its not over until it’s over.
This whole thing is so strange. She sifted through the available evidence in the Garam case and told us what she was looking at so we could check it ourselves. In at least one video she tracked down an article someone was using to base an argument around and found out it said Irene was a member of blackpink.
So like… How do you go from that to just sort of …. Recklessly winging it on one of the most important geopolitical issues of the day??
I’m not even talking about morality here. Other people are handling that side better than I can. I’m just flabbergasted that this even happened. The reaction she got was the most predictable thing in the world.
Because it sends a message. The boycotts, the protests, they're loud and public opinion is shifting against Israel and its supporters. When public opinion shifts it causes world leaders to do something to retain votes. It's pressure. We know, but we need to have hope. Palestinians need to have hope, they want us to have hope, and this gives us hope. And heck it's not like it's doing nothing. Just recently, Justin Trudeau, who's been vehemently supporting Israel has called out the genocide in Gaza. The ICJ has classified what Israel is doing as genocide. It's still awful what's going on, but acting helpless isn't the way to go.
Hi friend! Thank you for being curious on this topic. I've been in activist spaces for a bit and have some insight. 98% of activism fails or doesn't accomplish as much as you want. It's honestly embarrassing and demoralizing work that will have people treating you like you're crazy. However, you still have to keep doing it because there is always that 1-2% chance and ultimately it's the human thing to strive towards improving. Also, activism work can have other effects than the intended goal. There are primary and secondary effects.
For example, the primary goal/effect of the boycotts would be to impact the big 4 companies.
However, the secondary effect will create conversations among fans about Palestine!
As we can see, the boycotts weren't successful in their primary effect but it has been effective in the secondary effect cuz we are talking about it now 😊.
Now, take boycotting Starbucks.
Primary goal: Get Starbucks to support Palestine (99% chance that won't happen).
Secondary effect: Get people talking about Palestine--could lead to donating for the cause or protesting in other ways (pretty effective)
Third effect: Get people to be more mindful about capitalism and supporting big companies in general, and encourage buying from local coffee shops (somewhat effective)
Fourth effect: Maybe close some Starbucks so that local shops that are more socially mindful can replace them (not super effective but some Starbucks shops will close)
Even though the primary goal of a boycott might not be accomplished, participating in it can still have positive effects!
I hope you found this helpful!
Selective outrage is problematic 🥱🥱🥱
Everglow is a realistic person...the bandwagon you all are one is mind-boggling.
This guy is agreeing with her points clearly but saying she should've said it it softer or differently etc. . Selective outrage is problematic 🥱🥱🥱
Well her takes on the Hyuna thing and on the genocide are just not right.
She should educate herself first rather than living in a bubble where she thinks that everything she says is right and complete facts, being an adult with a job and paying taxes doesn't mean that everything you do is right
@@iamakdramaaddict902But I have a question if you don't mind me asking? I get what you're saying is true but if you look at the comments under this video most of them first complain about her speaking tone. Why is that?
@oshuwareafegbai6114 I can't say for sure since everyone has their own reason to comment that, but I think it is mainly due to the reason that her tone suggest that her opinion is (maybe) superior
@@iamakdramaaddict902 Oh okay. I was just asking because I've personally met people who talk like her and that's their way of speaking 🤷🏽♀️. Tnx.
@oshuwareafegbai6114 Oh, I've never met someone like that before (i really haven't) and Your welcome
everglow-ups videos mostly bothers me bc shes always telling people to "wake up" and to be "humble" and to "realize when they're wrong" and to "admit their mistakes" and at the same time she calls everyone who disagrees with her stupid and childish and dumb and its like... 🧍🏻♀ and she also has a habit of quoting advice given to her (mostly by her mom) to back up her arguments and make them seem better then they are. idk ive never really agreed with her in most of her videos even tho she does sometimes have good points. i just feels like it drowns out in the condescending tone she consistently keeps throughout her videos as she presents her own personal feelings as factual arguments...