I have both and like both. The m12 i use for smaller jobs. Stays in my m12 bag which is for small jobs. I added the hex to it with one of those sticky bit holders on top. The dewalt i use for larger jobs like cutting tile, etc...
Thanks for your completely unbiased review. After really using my M12 recently, the only 2 things I can fault are the lack of onboard key storage and the location of the vac hose. Though it's not really supposed to be used as a circular saw, you cant really see the guide marker on the plate. I'll think of a way to rip off that vacuum attachment. I agree, the Dewalt is a superior cut off tool in design, power, and function. But by the time you're adding a compact cut off tool to your collection, you've already committed yourself to the brands battery platform.
Changing the blade on the m12 you just snap whole guard off. So i would knock too much off for that. And the size of m12 handle doesn’t bother me but ill agree the dewalt is a better tool. Something you didn’t point out is the dewalt has a deeper cutting depth. Which I’ve wished i had a few times on the m12.
Food for thought: Milwaukee released their version approx 4 years prior to DeWalt. So my guess is that some of the design features/flaws were incorporated when DeWalt released theirs.
That dewalt is the one tool that kinda made me wish I had stayed in the dewalt line, lol. I jumped in and right back out after problems with a 17 tool haul about a year ago. The 12v line I kept, but this came out right after I jumped out. I can’t bring myself to jump back in for one tool, lol. I’m surprised Milwaukee never made an 18v version 🤔
LOL. Definitely not worth the jump back in. I only got it because I still had batteries. But I now only own 3 DeWALT cordless tools. The Auger (Got 75% off on a glitch); the One handed circular saw (Sweet little tool)l and now this. Oh... and a lawnmower that's only good for the 10AH batteries it came with. Throw the whole mower away... smh.
Love how all these comparisons for the m12 cut off tool have to put it up against 18-20v tools …. Maybe the other manufacturers don’t make a 12v version I just think it’s pretty obvious 12v tools are generally viewed as less powerful than their 18v beefier counterparts , all that said, m12 still hangs with the 18v competition….. it’s still like comparing a 4cyl sedan to a 6 cyl coupe
I think both are fine, a lot depends what brand you have been purchasing and do you have batteries available. I have had great luck with Milwaukee in general even with the cheaper brushed versions. The fuel have been very solid. Curious which one last the longest before they die. Need to keep in mind these little guys are limited as to what they can do….. nothing that I saw in this video that makes me pick one over the other…. I have a few Dewalt but mostly Milwaukee.
Ha, nice! If it weren't for the proprietary dust collection of the DeWALT, I'd say that's all you need, but it's that tid-bit that makes it a toss up. I too have both!
The grip size of the Milwaukee is fine, and I don't have big hands. The Milwaukee's motor is weak though. The thing I don't like about the Dewalt is the battery hanging off the end of the handle even when using a smaller battery. Milwaukee does need to update the M12 cutoff tool ASAP.
Very nice comparison. I'm an angle-grinder owner. What can I cut off with these? Are they primarily for small demo work? Can grinding or polishing or wire brushes be fitted? What about dinky saw blades? Sorry for asking what the heck these are used for. I keep imagining pipes and such, but would want them at right angles, not a handheld operation.
I use it at work for cutting 3/8 hydraulic hoses it's the best tool for this, can literally hang it off your belt, rebar workers would like it too for fast cuts but you can use it for whatever you need it for! Use your imagination now go cut something
At the moment you can't fit wire brushes or any grinding or polishing discs. So a grinder would be your best bet there. The main reason I bought mine was 1. To cut plaster (depth gauge and dust collector makes this PERFECT for it) 2. To cut the padlocks off the foreclosure garage doors I've bought.
Besides TTC, "Tools tested" channel did a nice performance comparison of these plus Ridgid and Ryobi models. Milwaukee should update to catch up to the competition- or make an m18 version.
Depends on what you're using it for. An angle grinder will do what a cut off tool can do and a lot more. It can cut as well as grind. They also come in different sizes to get bigger jobs done faster. A cut off tool is just that. It cuts things like padlocks. Another thing it can do is cut plaster! Which is what I bought mine for. So while they seem to be the same tool, one would be better for certain situations.
I need to cut a 20 inch long drainage goove from 1/4 inch deep to 1/2 inch deep in my concrete garage floor. Will the DeWalt do it with a masonary blade ? I already have other DeWalt 20 v tools.
It's crazy to me how many YEARS people have fed back to Milwaukee we want On-board storage for the allen key/hex key ....and they STILL haven't listened? 😒
I know right! It's possible to still get it from Home Depot for $94 on a hack, but you gotta go in store to find both the cut off tool and the starter kit BOGO.
I considered that one! I'm going to check the stats on that Ryobi first; but if you've been around, you know I'm not a fan of Ryobi power tools. They generally don't last as long if you push them moderately hard. If it's for casual use though it should be fine.
@@ToolDeals agreed-I’m very selective when it comes to Ryobi tools. I mainly stick to their lights, fans, and my fav of their line is the high pressure inflator which I use to clean my tools and work bench. I do own the Ryobi cutoff tool-I don’t use it often but it’s worked well for me when I need it.
Apologists try to rationalize that the bulbous m12 grip is actually good, but even Milwaukee knows it isn't and that's why the m18 has a completely different grip design. It is an unfortunate compromise made due the their insert battery design. I'm sure for people with bigger hands, it isn't as bad as people with smaller hands but it still is bad. And I'm sure some people get used to it. But finding yourself liking that bulbous grip is like getting used to a bad situation- it doesn't make it right
Agreed! And I too thought for a while that it was because of the battery.... Then I held a Bosch 12V tool in my hand... night and day and EXACT same battery design. Milwaukee is just doing this stuff on purpose for no good reason. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@ToolDeals I have Bosch 12V also, and I thought the Milwaukee was bigger, but I just checked and the batteries I have are like 1mm difference- so you are right. The main difference is the Bosch isn't bulbous and I think that makes a significant difference
@@dodgerbrewtx Found the guy who likes to grip a bulge. Whatever feels good to you I guess. If you think m12 grips are great then you must hate the m18 because it has no bulge. Either that or you tie your identity to his tools and can't admit a poor design.
@@ToolDeals Look who commented here. I knew the apologists would come out of the woodwork between your comments in the video and mine here. Almost makes me want to avoid Milwaukee stuff. Almost
I have the M12 and I like it, however it is under powered. I am sure the 20vlt dewalt is more powerful. I got my M12 on Black Friday and it was a good deal, but I only use it to cut light steel such as 1/4 or 3/8steel shapes. I can’t imagine the M12 would cut tile if they even offer a masonry blade.
Yeah the M12 fuel cutoff isn't very well built. I get that it's only a 12V tool, but the motor is just too weak, if they can make an m12 circular saw they can make a powerful cutoff too. I've also experienced that weird noise on the cutoff, it comes from the cutoff disk not being properly balanced. Usually balancing it on the arbor or switching out for a new blade fixes the issue.
I have bought a load of Milwaukke tools and only because thier customer service is superb and I had invested in batteries. But my Milwuakke struglles against the likes or Ingersol Rand, and other brands! I think I would not buy Milwaukee again. I mean there are stupid faults like no place to place a allen key you got to take the window off with a screw driver.
With the guard, you can attach a vacuum to one of these, and can keep them at right angles to what you're cutting. You can also adjust the cut depth accurately instead of needing to do it by eye.
Sounds like you shouldn’t waste your money or time buying Milwaukee…. All you’re doing is bashing Milwaukee for the slightest insignificant things and also some things you don’t even know, like whether it comes with an Allen key or not….. stop being so bias
I’m a Milwaukee guy. And I prefer their power tools. But even I can admit that the dewalt version of this tool is way better. Milwaukee needs to offer an improved 18v version to compete in the cut off saw market.
So glad your not a milwaukee suck I on red fan like most youtubers. I'm not a fan cause of the owned and manufactured in the CCP. I know most are made there but stanley is atleast based here so profites make there way here and som3 are made in mex
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I have both and like both. The m12 i use for smaller jobs. Stays in my m12 bag which is for small jobs. I added the hex to it with one of those sticky bit holders on top. The dewalt i use for larger jobs like cutting tile, etc...
Thanks for your completely unbiased review. After really using my M12 recently, the only 2 things I can fault are the lack of onboard key storage and the location of the vac hose. Though it's not really supposed to be used as a circular saw, you cant really see the guide marker on the plate. I'll think of a way to rip off that vacuum attachment. I agree, the Dewalt is a superior cut off tool in design, power, and function. But by the time you're adding a compact cut off tool to your collection, you've already committed yourself to the brands battery platform.
Changing the blade on the m12 you just snap whole guard off. So i would knock too much off for that. And the size of m12 handle doesn’t bother me but ill agree the dewalt is a better tool. Something you didn’t point out is the dewalt has a deeper cutting depth. Which I’ve wished i had a few times on the m12.
Thanks for pointing that out for me
Food for thought: Milwaukee released their version approx 4 years prior to DeWalt. So my guess is that some of the design features/flaws were incorporated when DeWalt released theirs.
That dewalt is the one tool that kinda made me wish I had stayed in the dewalt line, lol. I jumped in and right back out after problems with a 17 tool haul about a year ago. The 12v line I kept, but this came out right after I jumped out. I can’t bring myself to jump back in for one tool, lol. I’m surprised Milwaukee never made an 18v version 🤔
LOL. Definitely not worth the jump back in. I only got it because I still had batteries. But I now only own 3 DeWALT cordless tools. The Auger (Got 75% off on a glitch); the One handed circular saw (Sweet little tool)l and now this. Oh... and a lawnmower that's only good for the 10AH batteries it came with. Throw the whole mower away... smh.
Thanks you help me out on making a decision Dewalt it is.👍
Love how all these comparisons for the m12 cut off tool have to put it up against 18-20v tools …. Maybe the other manufacturers don’t make a 12v version I just think it’s pretty obvious 12v tools are generally viewed as less powerful than their 18v beefier counterparts , all that said, m12 still hangs with the 18v competition….. it’s still like comparing a 4cyl sedan to a 6 cyl coupe
I think both are fine, a lot depends what brand you have been purchasing and do you have batteries available. I have had great luck with Milwaukee in general even with the cheaper brushed versions. The fuel have been very solid. Curious which one last the longest before they die. Need to keep in mind these little guys are limited as to what they can do….. nothing that I saw in this video that makes me pick one over the other…. I have a few Dewalt but mostly Milwaukee.
Thanks for helping making a decision I'm buying both
Ha, nice! If it weren't for the proprietary dust collection of the DeWALT, I'd say that's all you need, but it's that tid-bit that makes it a toss up. I too have both!
The grip size of the Milwaukee is fine, and I don't have big hands. The Milwaukee's motor is weak though. The thing I don't like about the Dewalt is the battery hanging off the end of the handle even when using a smaller battery. Milwaukee does need to update the M12 cutoff tool ASAP.
Thanks. Do you think for the DCS438 a 1.7 Ah power stack battery is enough for small works?
Absolutely as long as you're not using it for grinding type of jobs and just cutting.
Very nice comparison. I'm an angle-grinder owner. What can I cut off with these? Are they primarily for small demo work? Can grinding or polishing or wire brushes be fitted? What about dinky saw blades?
Sorry for asking what the heck these are used for. I keep imagining pipes and such, but would want them at right angles, not a handheld operation.
I use it at work for cutting 3/8 hydraulic hoses it's the best tool for this, can literally hang it off your belt, rebar workers would like it too for fast cuts but you can use it for whatever you need it for! Use your imagination now go cut something
At the moment you can't fit wire brushes or any grinding or polishing discs. So a grinder would be your best bet there. The main reason I bought mine was 1. To cut plaster (depth gauge and dust collector makes this PERFECT for it) 2. To cut the padlocks off the foreclosure garage doors I've bought.
Besides TTC, "Tools tested" channel did a nice performance comparison of these plus Ridgid and Ryobi models. Milwaukee should update to catch up to the competition- or make an m18 version.
I agree with making an 18V version. And I'll have to check that video out!
Milwaukee all the way!! Great video!
why use these ovr a grinder w cut wheel?
Funny you talk about ergonomics. I was die hard red team. Then I picked up a 12v Dewalt tool and damn did it feel WAY better in the hand.
I know right! LOL, changed my life! Don't you dare touch a Makita or a Metabo HPT now! 🙃
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Which one is better Angle Grinder or Cut off tool?
Depends on what you're using it for. An angle grinder will do what a cut off tool can do and a lot more. It can cut as well as grind. They also come in different sizes to get bigger jobs done faster. A cut off tool is just that. It cuts things like padlocks. Another thing it can do is cut plaster! Which is what I bought mine for. So while they seem to be the same tool, one would be better for certain situations.
I need to cut a 20 inch long drainage goove from 1/4 inch deep to 1/2 inch deep in my concrete garage floor. Will the DeWalt do it with a masonary blade ? I already have other DeWalt 20 v tools.
It's crazy to me how many YEARS people have fed back to Milwaukee we want On-board storage for the allen key/hex key ....and they STILL haven't listened? 😒
💯 agree with every single thing you said!!!! Dewalt all the way!!!
Thanks Brock!
we will have to call this segment the little hand that can unless its holding a Milwaukee 😃
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Been wanting that dewalt for a while.
I know right! It's possible to still get it from Home Depot for $94 on a hack, but you gotta go in store to find both the cut off tool and the starter kit BOGO.
I’d like to see a comparison btwn the Dewalt and the Ryobi
I considered that one! I'm going to check the stats on that Ryobi first; but if you've been around, you know I'm not a fan of Ryobi power tools. They generally don't last as long if you push them moderately hard. If it's for casual use though it should be fine.
@@ToolDeals agreed-I’m very selective when it comes to Ryobi tools. I mainly stick to their lights, fans, and my fav of their line is the high pressure inflator which I use to clean my tools and work bench. I do own the Ryobi cutoff tool-I don’t use it often but it’s worked well for me when I need it.
That Dewalt is legit. Wish it would take my M18 batteries
LOL
Buy a battery adapter and it will
Love the Milwaukee handle, I have long fingers like a Yeti 😂
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I love my dewalt grinder Does not disappoint lots of power
Tons of power!
A lot of the M12 stuff has poor ergonomics due to the battery in the handle. I stick with M18
Agreed! Bosch tools are the same but they do a much better job with the ergonomics somehow.
@@ToolDeals The Bosch grip isn't as bulbous. I don't mind the Bosch 12v (although still isn't ideal), but I've avoided most m12 because of this.
Apologists try to rationalize that the bulbous m12 grip is actually good, but even Milwaukee knows it isn't and that's why the m18 has a completely different grip design. It is an unfortunate compromise made due the their insert battery design.
I'm sure for people with bigger hands, it isn't as bad as people with smaller hands but it still is bad. And I'm sure some people get used to it. But finding yourself liking that bulbous grip is like getting used to a bad situation- it doesn't make it right
Agreed! And I too thought for a while that it was because of the battery.... Then I held a Bosch 12V tool in my hand... night and day and EXACT same battery design. Milwaukee is just doing this stuff on purpose for no good reason. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@ToolDeals I have Bosch 12V also, and I thought the Milwaukee was bigger, but I just checked and the batteries I have are like 1mm difference- so you are right. The main difference is the Bosch isn't bulbous and I think that makes a significant difference
Found the guy with tiny hands
@@dodgerbrewtx Found the guy who likes to grip a bulge. Whatever feels good to you I guess. If you think m12 grips are great then you must hate the m18 because it has no bulge. Either that or you tie your identity to his tools and can't admit a poor design.
@@ToolDeals Look who commented here. I knew the apologists would come out of the woodwork between your comments in the video and mine here. Almost makes me want to avoid Milwaukee stuff. Almost
I have the M12 and I like it, however it is under powered. I am sure the 20vlt dewalt is more powerful. I got my M12 on Black Friday and it was a good deal, but I only use it to cut light steel such as 1/4 or 3/8steel shapes. I can’t imagine the M12 would cut tile if they even offer a masonry blade.
From what I've heard from other owners of the M12 cut off tool, it can make small precision cuts in tiles
Yeah the M12 fuel cutoff isn't very well built. I get that it's only a 12V tool, but the motor is just too weak, if they can make an m12 circular saw they can make a powerful cutoff too. I've also experienced that weird noise on the cutoff, it comes from the cutoff disk not being properly balanced. Usually balancing it on the arbor or switching out for a new blade fixes the issue.
Agree. The M12 circular saw is surprisingly powerful, but the M12 cutoff is surprisingly weak.
The power on the dewalt is way better too
Facts!
Thanks!
im still riding with milwaukee
TTC covered this one!
Remember 12volt vs 20volt
I have bought a load of Milwaukke tools and only because thier customer service is superb and I had invested in batteries. But my Milwuakke struglles against the likes or Ingersol Rand, and other brands! I think I would not buy Milwaukee again. I mean there are stupid faults like no place to place a allen key you got to take the window off with a screw driver.
Not true dewalt is $179 Milwaukee $99 and 12v vs 20v what kind of comparison is that
I just got the Dewalt for $199 with 2 batteries, charger and a bag.
@@KosmicHRTRacingTeamI am getting it too!
$179 now and you get a charger and a power stack battery, and a bag.
Why would you need a tool like this? Can't you just hold a grinder upright? I've never used either tool, so there is probably something I'm missing...
I can only imagine a few tasks where this tool would be preferred, like clearing grout between tiles or HVAC sheet workers.
it got me in to some tight places that my bigger grinder wouldn’t have fit
With the guard, you can attach a vacuum to one of these, and can keep them at right angles to what you're cutting. You can also adjust the cut depth accurately instead of needing to do it by eye.
I like these for cutting toilet bolts when installing toilets
U can’t compare 18 volts to a 12 volt
Dewalt best anyway! cheap parts on Milwaukee
Metabo has the same as Dewalt
Lmfao that’s the same feeling I have. The m12 line ergonomics suckkkkk.
LOL, THANK YOU!
overall DeWalt win by design and better quality than any Milwaukee tool model
sometimes Milwaukee win by performance but cheap plastic housing
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Sounds like you shouldn’t waste your money or time buying Milwaukee…. All you’re doing is bashing Milwaukee for the slightest insignificant things and also some things you don’t even know, like whether it comes with an Allen key or not….. stop being so bias
I’m a Milwaukee guy. And I prefer their power tools. But even I can admit that the dewalt version of this tool is way better.
Milwaukee needs to offer an improved 18v version to compete in the cut off saw market.
So glad your not a milwaukee suck I on red fan like most youtubers. I'm not a fan cause of the owned and manufactured in the CCP. I know most are made there but stanley is atleast based here so profites make there way here and som3 are made in mex
If you had bigger hands, the degree numbers would be easier to read .. It's pretty obvious .. Lol jk
LOL
This gave me my early morning laugh! LOL, thanks for the comment!
"What's going on with it,It,s a China Milwaukee",Their trashing the Iconic Name"Milwaukee"
Buy DeWALT, it's an American company, then stop crying.
Are you low IQ? MILWAKEE IS THE DESIGNER AND PROPRIETARY HOLDER.
Milwaukee is way better, my opinion