About the gesture input for interacting with holograms: that would be actually possible with today technology. An infrared projector and camera would be enough to sense precisely movements and gestures of hands. The 3d holograms would be just mapped to points in space. That's how the Kinect, the Holo Lens' touch input, and Project Tango's 3d space mapping tool work.
theSyd He doesn't dispute the possibility, the dispute is in the cost effectiveness between a simple regular button and the technology needed to allow a holographic button to work.
Well, sure, it would be impractical to replace your doorbell button with a hologram. But let's say you wanted to control your home entertainment system from the comfort of your couch. Something like this is best suited to a dynamic controller which can change form and function based on context. Physical dedicated buttons would be a little more... wonky. Of course, we've also got voice control for a lot of these devices now, but sometimes the experience of trying to navigate complex controls while shouting over loud music is also a little... wonky.
4:00 He says there'll never be a motion detector (like the kinect) based interactive hologram projector. Given that both technologies are in existence currently (albeit early development for holograms) and it is a form of display technology, I will gladly take a bet on such an interactive display eventually arising.
Well, you're pretty obviously wrong about the water mist thing. Firstly, it's immediately obvious to me that the black box is doing *something* to allow the laser light to scatter at the correct point along it's course. So the fact that sticking your fingers between it and the hologram caused it to distort and dissipate shouldn't be a surprise. But it reconstituted very, very fast - if that was jets of mist being used to make the image, it'd take much longer. Secondly, if it was as you say a lightshow projected onto a 2D sheet of mist - and it'd need to be very thin sheet to get the precision shown on the video - it would be blazingly obvious to anyone who looked at it in real life that it was not 3D viewed from any angle. So the footage you riff off would have had to be a hoax. Which is possible except it has been demonstrated live to third-party interviewers (such as here: ruclips.net/video/THYhP3_wmLs/видео.html ). I think it's pretty safe to say it lives up to it's claims of being genuine 3D from multiple viewing angles. Finally, you seem to be a bit dim on how kickstarters work, especially regading iterating technology. The guy is using his real name, and is listed as a "2-time creator" - you can get to the first Holovect kickstarter from his profile, so far from hiding the fact that this is the second campaign, he's wearing it as a badge of pride - which is kind of a hint that the backers of his first campaign did not go to kickstarter to complain that he'd run off with their money. Plus, once the recruitment is over, he's under no obligation to issue updates to people who didn't back him, and it's much more reasonable to assume that he's spending his time producing the units that people paid for. Having backed kickstarters before, this can involve long periods of radio silence and still be legit. Don't get me wrong, I'm kind of underwhelmed by this. It looks like a cute desk toy, but it's never going to be a serious interface. But your evidence for calling it out as a scam is incredibly weak, and your idea about how it actually works is pretty obviously wrong.
Their description of how it works: We take air, we modify it (tweak humidity and temperature) and control it's motion(produce teeny tiny jets) and then we shine a laser on to it. What comes out is still air but it is different from it's surroundings. It is not fog or dust and is completely transparent. It has higher albedo (reflectivity) and different refractive index than the air next to it(slighty) like a mirage. Thus it deflects and reflects laser light. We can place this parcel of air wherever we need it to be within the draw box to match the laser. When they intersect we have a dot, a voxel, add a bunch of them together and we have a line in space, a 3D vector(very basic use of the word vector, it basically has a starting point and an ending point) . Tie a bunch of these together, we got an object which we call a [ve]ctor obj[ect] or vect. All of this activity is controlled by a small computer and a micro-controller. This device aims the laser for x-y motion, turns it on and off and moves the modified air around for z axis motion.
Indeed. I think the fact that he says it's "not fog or dust" argues my point that the OP's dismissal of it as using a simple spray bottle of mist is at best grossly oversimplifying and at more likely flat out wrong. Also, I think this video is misunderstanding what "1.8 litre draw volume" refers to. The description is a little ambiguous, but since the "12x12x12cm" cube that it can draw in works out as 1728 cubic centimetres - that's 1.73 litres and definitely in the "2 quart" ballpark - I suspect that's what that number refers to, rather than some hidden tank containing 1.8 litres of spray liquid.
Seems like a derivative of colloid thrusters, experimental space technology emitting tiny amounts of matter at huge speed; make an array of these and fire specific ones to create "obstructions" for the laser at specific distances. And while the thrusters themselves are pretty complex, Edison sounds like more than capable of the control job.
@ConfusedDave- The two videos you link to show only 2D demonstrations being given to other people. No 3D projections. So it seems there is one wall of mist that the things is drawing on as OP said.
Does it seem like that to you? Well good for you. Like I said, I don't buy that. That's a very thin layer of mist that's indetectable by eye, scatters in an unusual way when obstructed, and is not obviously noticable to the touch when you put your hand in front of it. I mean, if you're determined that this is a hoax as opposed to just an underwhelming desk toy, don't let me get in the way of your smug feeling of superiority.
Nope. Not mist. Well... Yeah it's mist, but ionic one. Charged electrons hitted by a charged photon, deviates and release a photon, due to conservation of energy law. This create a scattered emission visible by human eye. This in simple words. About computation power... It's all vectorial... You seemed to not know how vectors works or CPU power is... I made a vectorial game with an attiny85 outputting to a cathodic tube... And it's an 18MHz MCU... Dude, go to school and learn something before talk... Ask a physician before...
definetly wasnt just water mist or if it was they could control the individual points where the mist was released like a pixel because the video did not look fake, it had 3d depth, just poor quality of it
If you already have the hologram, making it interactive is not that hard. Just use some kind of finger detection as it is already used for VR. It would be even easier to figure out where your finger intersects with the hologram, because that way you would only need a camera that captures the light reflected by the finger. Pretty easy stuff actually. The hologram is the tricky part. Also, using an Edison is not that wrong here. For the controller of this thing, you need rather low calculation power (even an Arduino would suffice here), but for the other features you need USB and Wifi and some form of programmability. The Edison (similar to an Rapsberry Pi) would make this a lot easier. Now, of course the Edison's GPIO pins output far too little power to drive that whole device. That is why you use amplifying transistors. The Edison's GPIO pins are also far too weak to drive a robot's servos and engines, also here you need amplifiers. They are small and very cheap parts. Now for the light trailing off the object: that happens because of the way the display works. It draws into the air and at the points where the lasers intersect, lines become visible. Now, if you know anything about light or lasers, you know that light does not stop mid-air, but continues on. So these laser beams are of course trailing off the object. That's rather trivial. Though that thing is certainly a scam, please get your details straight.
This tech is in its infancy. If people want to supply venture capital, that's up to them. BTW, $70,000 is nothing for venture capital, just a drop in the ocean. As for 3D, all it needs is two point-source lasers. It's vanishing points as used in drawings, but in reverse. But as Hacc said, "I have work to do."
@Obnyr @JamesThompson When two lasers cross, they don't make a bright point, they just pass through each other. To make a laser visible, it has to encounter mass at some point in its path.
You could do it. You'd need multiple lasers (short UV preferably) widely displaced but all servo scanning to the same but arbitrary points in a volumetric emulsion, and converge to a 'pixel' thus exciting a phosphor into emitting light when the energy density is above a certain threshold. I bet it's been done. Like a kind of 3D DLP perhaps. VR/AR is easier and more productive right now. If this kickstarter had been even remotely plausible, we'd have already known it from the very inventive Lightsaber guys as it's what they wish could be true every night when they go to sleep. Me too. Light that can be told to go only a certain distance is also my dream. Not gonna happen. It's a meaningless concept.
Here is how this con-artist describes himself on Twitter; Jaime Ruiz-Avila (@Tensorguy). "Tensorguy in chat. Skeptic, believer, scientist, father, husband, nerd, geek. We are dreamers, shapers, singers, and makers." LOL. He forgot to mention CON-ARTIST. Tootz at Indiegogo & Holovect at Kickstarter. Stole all the money and ran.
Idk, I mean, you say something about it being pointless, and yet, touchscreens have found a purpose. This purpose was inducted, not deducted, from it's conception. The touchscreen existed prior to its practicality. I get that, for the sake of cleanliness, we need to separate the men from the boys, but all we need for an idea to succeed is someone to make it work. That's the entire basis behind the development part of R&D. The research finds something, and the development integrates it into a practical purpose.
you have to reflect the light off of something to be visible the only way they can do it. is to reflect it.if its off the viewing surface and 3 dimensional IT IS A HOLOGRAM!!!
The holy grail of it would be to reflect light off of some form of energy field which could be controlled and manipulated, but that is the Star Trek level dream.
im 4 years late but why so many idiotic comments? This video was done well and it helped us to see an obvious scam. Also you have good character so I subbed :)
The argument that an interactive hologram would be no more effective than a physical button and therefore wouldn't be cost effective... that's like saying interactive touch screens would be no more effective than a physical button and therefore not cost effective, but touch screens are everywhere now, because being able to directly interact with an image is idk... USEFUL? Also, the whole water spray thing? No shit. They're not magic, the light needs something to reflect off of. The fact is, they have created a 3D image by reflecting it off very small amounts of water vapour. It isn't too inconcievable that by controlling when and where light and water is projected a 3D image can be drawn, unlike in the light show you displayed, which was just a projecter on a much larger, uncontrolled collection of steam. lastly, making it interactive would probably be the easiest part of this whole thing. All theyd need to do is implement already existing motion tracking devices and output that data into the device that processes the projection. with a bit of coding, voila, an interactive hologram. No different to how a motion sensor can display what it detects on a computer monitor. Honestly, aside from the lack of updates and such since the kickstarter was complete (which is admittedly a little sketchy), this seems pretty legit.
There are volumetric displays (like the princess leia tech) that require no screens, glasses, and produce floating images in mid-air by plasma focal points of light: 1.) Nanosecond volumetric display, dangerous to the touch (floating images in mid air, CES 2011) ruclips.net/video/KfVS-npfVuY/видео.html 2.) Femtosecond volumetric display, safe to touch (floating images in mid-air, SIGGRAPH 2015): ruclips.net/video/AoWi10YVmfE/видео.html
dude, the founder already said he use's modified air by using the humidifier to allow the light to refract off it. you simply repeated what the founder said, and then followed by 'it's a scam'. your basis of argument doesn't seem valid enough dude. i rating you down.
The creator of this is active member in the Diamond Club community (note the shirt, things like Modern Rogue, Night Attack, Cordcutters, etc) He is proud of his work and is constantly working on improving it. Either he is genuine, or he is going to great lengths to target one small community specifically. He has also appeared on shows like Current Geek within the past couple months, so that would be an odd way to run.
So.. you're making a parody, right? Sure this technology is a few *light*years away, but the concept is still there. If it was just a scam, so be it. I was going to continue arguing with you about the technology, but after realizing you're just trying to emulate Idubbbztv's "Kick Starter Crap" video series, I don't think it's worth my time. BTW you could have made your content stand out by say.. talking about the concept of holographic display? If you want to chat on here, I'm totally down.
Playing ED w/o a vr headset is like playing old school nintendo while everyone else is on PS4. I got to try it with a subpac and a talon chair... I still dream about it at night. lol.
I don't know what to say about this. The way that some of the beams show could just be dust particles in the air or something like that. Of course the image would get messed up if you put your hand on the black box. When I first started to think about holograms I knew that with our current technology you can't make an image with just a laser and without it being dangerous. If it was water mist you would e something on the guys hand. I have seen a laser plasma hologram which is a little more believable, but plasma is very dangerous. They use hydrogen plasma in fusion reactors. There is DEFINETLY a way to make holograms touchscreen. Something such as Xbox Kinect could be used with some programming and modification. You can already make a glass pane touchscreen. And mist doesn't really work well with reflecting light.
This thing can work, evem iif it uses water sprayers to creat a canvas for the laser, because the nozzles for the water jets are aranged on a field, therefore different depths of the image can be achieved by activating different nozzles. Im certain that this is real 3d! It is sad that somebody who doesnt understand the engeneering behind this product speaks bad about it, on RUclips! Sorry for my Engliish but im from another part of the World.
4:25 Because Autodesk Revit which provides a 3d view (on a 2d screen mind you) which using a 3dconnexion space mouse can be interacted with like it was really 3d wasn't good enough.
I've seen water fountains in a grid do amazing 3d things with pulses of water. Not hard to imagine a micro version that shoots tiny pulses of humidified air off which the laser light reflects. I'm curious to know how it might work in a breeze and what the limits of resolution might be.
The limits of resolution should be simple to calculate (spherical cow time) presuming that the mist projector has perfect lamellar flow and can instantly create and disperse sheets/walls/columns of water vapour which the laser can interact with, being the resolution of the laser projector (EG: 640x480, 1024x768, etc) times the number of sheets/walls/columns of mist it can create. The major stumbling blocks would seem to be (1) depth resolution being severely hampered by how thin the sheets/walls of mist can be and (2) how quickly can they disperse so that adjacent layers don't interfere with each other. I'm pretty sure it would look much like that fuzzy street art at 10:08 in quite short order.
If you're playing E:D specifically, you'll want the Oculus Rift. I have both, and the Vive beats the Oculus in every possible way... except E:D. It's got a slightly sharper picture/larger sweet spot which is super important for reading the tiny text on everything. It's also a bit lighter and cooler which means longer sessions.
The fragmenting of the drawing when putting your hand under, could also be a covering for another light device and thus a destroying of an interference (wrong spelling sorry) and thus it becomes 2D. No mater what kind of laser you build, I would never dare to spray out anything over or near the power supply or laser device, so I guess that is not the way they did it.
There seems to be quite a few similarities between TOOTZ and HOLOVECT. Lots of empty promises, lots of delays, lots of lame excuses, and lots of disappointed backers. Are you going to give refunds to all the people that sent you money on Indiegogo & Kickstarter, Jaime Ruiz Avila? Or are you planning on keeping the money...?
Where did you get holographic button? Hes saying that its easier to see a hologram than look at a screen to better understand what youre looking at Also i dont see why using literes to describe the volume it can handle is a problem Light would trail off and you would know that if you knew what a vector is. You cant conclude that because blocking the box messes with the projection it uses mist because if blocking the box didnt affect the projection, they wouldnt need it. You didnt then they figured out how to make a paser stop midair did you? The box makes small temperature jets that refract the lasers rather then let them hit the wall Also get a better camera
about the button, wouldnt it be possible to make? you know these sinks that you put your hands under and the water starts flowing? would it be possible to put this and a hologram together? single button inputs might be possible this way
This really does exist in japan though, of course not on a consumer level. It was made by Burton Inc. edit: actually they use legit plasma lasers and its dangerous as hell
This video could be 1.30 long, and would be much better. Don't insult my intelligence by speaking so slowly and in such a condescending fashion (like when I flicked to 9-10 mins). I understand, you're angry, but it reflects badly.
12:20 specifically 1/5th or 20% the original scam asking price. i, too, have exposed internet scams on my channel. keep it up. the future rests on whether we allow or persecute such criminals.
That's a funny claim. I've gotten a majority of the rewards I've pledged for on Kickstarter and Indiegogo, and the ones who didn't offer rewards opensourced their technology. Maybe I'm just really, really lucky?
The interesting thing about the OP's opinion editorial is that he doesn't have any specifics in terms of Photonics or his degree of expertise in the field. This was an interesting watch, and he tries to pose awesome arguments, but fails miserably at executing those ideas. The holovect does act on a very rudimentary level, but that's the whole point. It's not meant to be the next step in holography. It's meant as a jumping off point for cost effective designs to be elaborated on. No one else is doing this, if you've done any research from the current CES' holographic display technology. On top of that, the original OP's lack of experience in the field shows immensely. I can't trust someone's opinion who doesn't quite go ALL THE WAY with their research. Fail.
The BS detection process in this case is pretty simple and straightforward: Does something like this exist? no. Would people be interested in real 3D holograms? yes. Should someone produce a REAL hologram machine, would he need to resort to Kickstarter to get funding? Absolutely no. There you have it, it's crap.
Yeah, this is just a mist machine. So it supposedly does 3D vector graphics? Why would you showcase it to a reasonably large audience on a 3rd party show _and not show the one important thing its supposed to be able to do?_ Outside of their self-produced videos, the only thing we've ever seen it draw is a stick and a very shitty circle. I mean if I claimed I made a car that could drive sideways and took it to an auto show _and only showed it driving like a normal car_, everyone would call bullshit, and rightfully so. Add to that the fact the the guy had another kickstarter project which was a farting unicorn that (big surprise) farted using water mist and LEDs and I think we're pretty solidly in scam territory.
Spot on! This is a scam for sure, and people are discussing whether or not they like the guy in the video or the way he speaks. Talk about missing out on the forest for all the trees.... Read the comments on Tootz over at Holovect. Same creator as Holovect....
You need to reduce the level of that bass line. I cant watch your video because i'm wearing headphones and i don't want to fuck around with my EQ settings.
It might be a scam, or rather unfulfilled goal... but your points are pretty bad. And the things you read, you took it as something else entirely. That's strawman argument. One, he isn't saying hologram will be a button. Interactive as in you can actively modify it instead of waiting for the 3D printer to make it. Even if I'm wrong and you are right, you clearly said "I think" implying you aren't entirely sure. So how can this argument be remotely trustworthy. Also 3D motion censors is not hard and has became a relatively cheap technology. Hologram buttons won't be practical for everything but they aren't as expensive as you make it that would prohibit it's use at all. Engineering can use such technology and still be cost effective. It isn't exactly required but there is no reason why it can't work or can't be cost effective. And what makes you assume it is energy inefficient? If the hologram itself is already low power. And existing sensors is also low energy. What makes you think combining them will make it more energy draining? It more or less have a problem Then you target its simplicity, it is pretty much a prototype so... yea no pong. Also what makes you assume this device require so much processing that the Edison core can't handle? can you provide reasoning and examples through existing vector based programs? Just because Edison is used for simple stuff doesn't mean it can't be used for complicated stuff. That's a slippery slope. The light trailing off because it is a laser shone on to air... so duh... They are drawing it in to the air. The air is of different density, pressure, humidity and temperature so it refract and reflect light. And yes you can call it a humidifier, but the "humidifier" is a lot more complex than that or else you will get the 'mist' even though this device isn't shooting aerosol or particles hence it won't be 2D. You see this same refraction in the heat of summer for example. Of course it needs this box since the emitter is just that. It won't make the beam redirect itself, that's a stupid assumption to make. it uses something to refract it. And it uses the black box so when you block it, ofc it stops working. Which may interfere with the button thing. But that was never a confirmed feature.
I do think this is fakery. But I totally disagree on physical interaction. If they really are scanning a shape -- 2D or 3D -- with a laser, a simple optical sensor could look at the beam position when light was reflected back and know you touched the pattern, where you did. Much like many laser scanners in use everywhere.
Like most people that fall for these everyday crowdfunding scams this is why I don't give any of my hard earn pay to Kickstarter, Indiegogo, GoFundMe, and other such crowdfunding scam sites.
THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!! I have been RACKING my brains trying to figure out how the manipulated the refractive Index of a voxel of air as he claimed. I knew it was bogus the moment I COULD NOT FIND the patent or a published scientific journal paper on his claims. Also, the "designer" sounds incompetent and their website has been shut down (holovect). #BustedLieTechnology
so I guess you've never been to Disney....they already have hologram tech...n it's VERY good...n I seen it way back in 2003! ...you need to get out more. lol ....an interactive hologram would be possible with simple sensors, colored lasers, mirrors, pulse width modulation & infrared (PIR) with a holographic image produced/overlayed to the space your sensor is operating in..making it seem like a holographic interactivity....this is entirely possible with tech that's already available...not saying this product is what it says...just saying, it's possible...& no one has put the "lego pieces" together yet.. shit the DOD can draw a 3D God in the sky and send out wavelengths to make people FEEL like they are having a religious experience...n producing an experience that people would fight to the death to swear to you it WAS REAL. ..it could also be done with a light, light vapor
MyBigThing2010 Disney's "holograms" are Pepper's Ghosts and there's no dispute over how an interactive hologram would be possible in this video, the dispute is over the cost effectiveness between all the required sensors and processing and the power to run those things compared to a regular physical button.
About the gesture input for interacting with holograms: that would be actually possible with today technology. An infrared projector and camera would be enough to sense precisely movements and gestures of hands. The 3d holograms would be just mapped to points in space. That's how the Kinect, the Holo Lens' touch input, and Project Tango's 3d space mapping tool work.
theSyd He doesn't dispute the possibility, the dispute is in the cost effectiveness between a simple regular button and the technology needed to allow a holographic button to work.
Well, sure, it would be impractical to replace your doorbell button with a hologram. But let's say you wanted to control your home entertainment system from the comfort of your couch. Something like this is best suited to a dynamic controller which can change form and function based on context. Physical dedicated buttons would be a little more... wonky.
Of course, we've also got voice control for a lot of these devices now, but sometimes the experience of trying to navigate complex controls while shouting over loud music is also a little... wonky.
Dont Forget that car that was at CES, it had a holographic screen with working controls
IIRC, the feedback was ultra-sonic, not optic. Was it BMW, I can't remember? :)
yeah i think it was the i8
i like.. to talk... slowly... like a douuuch
the creator James Avila is now delaying and unresponsive
Holovect is a scam 100%!
fullspectrumrc ffs just say you disagree
In all fairness, public speaking classes teach you to speak uncomfortably slowly.
Its not a humidifier, it's a heater. They use a heat mirage to produce the image.
4:00 He says there'll never be a motion detector (like the kinect) based interactive hologram projector. Given that both technologies are in existence currently (albeit early development for holograms) and it is a form of display technology, I will gladly take a bet on such an interactive display eventually arising.
Well, you're pretty obviously wrong about the water mist thing.
Firstly, it's immediately obvious to me that the black box is doing *something* to allow the laser light to scatter at the correct point along it's course. So the fact that sticking your fingers between it and the hologram caused it to distort and dissipate shouldn't be a surprise. But it reconstituted very, very fast - if that was jets of mist being used to make the image, it'd take much longer.
Secondly, if it was as you say a lightshow projected onto a 2D sheet of mist - and it'd need to be very thin sheet to get the precision shown on the video - it would be blazingly obvious to anyone who looked at it in real life that it was not 3D viewed from any angle. So the footage you riff off would have had to be a hoax. Which is possible except it has been demonstrated live to third-party interviewers (such as here: ruclips.net/video/THYhP3_wmLs/видео.html ). I think it's pretty safe to say it lives up to it's claims of being genuine 3D from multiple viewing angles.
Finally, you seem to be a bit dim on how kickstarters work, especially regading iterating technology. The guy is using his real name, and is listed as a "2-time creator" - you can get to the first Holovect kickstarter from his profile, so far from hiding the fact that this is the second campaign, he's wearing it as a badge of pride - which is kind of a hint that the backers of his first campaign did not go to kickstarter to complain that he'd run off with their money. Plus, once the recruitment is over, he's under no obligation to issue updates to people who didn't back him, and it's much more reasonable to assume that he's spending his time producing the units that people paid for. Having backed kickstarters before, this can involve long periods of radio silence and still be legit.
Don't get me wrong, I'm kind of underwhelmed by this. It looks like a cute desk toy, but it's never going to be a serious interface. But your evidence for calling it out as a scam is incredibly weak, and your idea about how it actually works is pretty obviously wrong.
Their description of how it works:
We take air, we modify it (tweak humidity and temperature) and control it's motion(produce teeny tiny jets) and then we shine a laser on to it. What comes out is still air but it is different from it's surroundings. It is not fog or dust and is completely transparent. It has higher albedo (reflectivity) and different refractive index than the air next to it(slighty) like a mirage. Thus it deflects and reflects laser light. We can place this parcel of air wherever we need it to be within the draw box to match the laser. When they intersect we have a dot, a voxel, add a bunch of them together and we have a line in space, a 3D vector(very basic use of the word vector, it basically has a starting point and an ending point) . Tie a bunch of these together, we got an object which we call a [ve]ctor obj[ect] or vect. All of this activity is controlled by a small computer and a micro-controller. This device aims the laser for x-y motion, turns it on and off and moves the modified air around for z axis motion.
Indeed. I think the fact that he says it's "not fog or dust" argues my point that the OP's dismissal of it as using a simple spray bottle of mist is at best grossly oversimplifying and at more likely flat out wrong.
Also, I think this video is misunderstanding what "1.8 litre draw volume" refers to. The description is a little ambiguous, but since the "12x12x12cm" cube that it can draw in works out as 1728 cubic centimetres - that's 1.73 litres and definitely in the "2 quart" ballpark - I suspect that's what that number refers to, rather than some hidden tank containing 1.8 litres of spray liquid.
Seems like a derivative of colloid thrusters, experimental space technology emitting tiny amounts of matter at huge speed; make an array of these and fire specific ones to create "obstructions" for the laser at specific distances. And while the thrusters themselves are pretty complex, Edison sounds like more than capable of the control job.
@ConfusedDave- The two videos you link to show only 2D demonstrations being given to other people. No 3D projections. So it seems there is one wall of mist that the things is drawing on as OP said.
Does it seem like that to you? Well good for you. Like I said, I don't buy that. That's a very thin layer of mist that's indetectable by eye, scatters in an unusual way when obstructed, and is not obviously noticable to the touch when you put your hand in front of it.
I mean, if you're determined that this is a hoax as opposed to just an underwhelming desk toy, don't let me get in the way of your smug feeling of superiority.
Being able to 'Press a virtual button' exists and isn't as cost inefficient as you think. Leap motion.
There is a backer only update April 2017.
Nope. Not mist.
Well... Yeah it's mist, but ionic one.
Charged electrons hitted by a charged photon, deviates and release a photon, due to conservation of energy law.
This create a scattered emission visible by human eye.
This in simple words.
About computation power... It's all vectorial... You seemed to not know how vectors works or CPU power is... I made a vectorial game with an attiny85 outputting to a cathodic tube... And it's an 18MHz MCU...
Dude, go to school and learn something before talk...
Ask a physician before...
How do you feel about your speculation 3 years later.
Holographic pokémon battles? That sounds awesome.
definetly wasnt just water mist or if it was they could control the individual points where the mist was released like a pixel because the video did not look fake, it had 3d depth, just poor quality of it
If you already have the hologram, making it interactive is not that hard. Just use some kind of finger detection as it is already used for VR. It would be even easier to figure out where your finger intersects with the hologram, because that way you would only need a camera that captures the light reflected by the finger. Pretty easy stuff actually. The hologram is the tricky part.
Also, using an Edison is not that wrong here. For the controller of this thing, you need rather low calculation power (even an Arduino would suffice here), but for the other features you need USB and Wifi and some form of programmability. The Edison (similar to an Rapsberry Pi) would make this a lot easier. Now, of course the Edison's GPIO pins output far too little power to drive that whole device. That is why you use amplifying transistors. The Edison's GPIO pins are also far too weak to drive a robot's servos and engines, also here you need amplifiers. They are small and very cheap parts.
Now for the light trailing off the object: that happens because of the way the display works. It draws into the air and at the points where the lasers intersect, lines become visible. Now, if you know anything about light or lasers, you know that light does not stop mid-air, but continues on. So these laser beams are of course trailing off the object. That's rather trivial.
Though that thing is certainly a scam, please get your details straight.
This tech is in its infancy. If people want to supply venture capital, that's up to them. BTW, $70,000 is nothing for venture capital, just a drop in the ocean. As for 3D, all it needs is two point-source lasers. It's vanishing points as used in drawings, but in reverse. But as Hacc said, "I have work to do."
@Obnyr @JamesThompson When two lasers cross, they don't make a bright point, they just pass through each other. To make a laser visible, it has to encounter mass at some point in its path.
bonus points for pog reference lol, just started watching your vids today during my trip into youtube rabbit hole and you have a new sub.
You could do it. You'd need multiple lasers (short UV preferably) widely displaced but all servo scanning to the same but arbitrary points in a volumetric emulsion, and converge to a 'pixel' thus exciting a phosphor into emitting light when the energy density is above a certain threshold. I bet it's been done. Like a kind of 3D DLP perhaps.
VR/AR is easier and more productive right now.
If this kickstarter had been even remotely plausible, we'd have already known it from the very inventive Lightsaber guys as it's what they wish could be true every night when they go to sleep. Me too.
Light that can be told to go only a certain distance is also my dream.
Not gonna happen. It's a meaningless concept.
Here is how this con-artist describes himself on Twitter; Jaime Ruiz-Avila (@Tensorguy). "Tensorguy in chat. Skeptic, believer, scientist, father, husband, nerd, geek. We are dreamers, shapers, singers, and makers." LOL. He forgot to mention CON-ARTIST.
Tootz at Indiegogo & Holovect at Kickstarter. Stole all the money and ran.
you can have a holographic button, there are already devices that use ultrasonic sound waves to sense your finger in the air
you almost got it!
Lead motion would allow you to use (sort of) holographic controls.
Idk, I mean, you say something about it being pointless, and yet, touchscreens have found a purpose. This purpose was inducted, not deducted, from it's conception. The touchscreen existed prior to its practicality. I get that, for the sake of cleanliness, we need to separate the men from the boys, but all we need for an idea to succeed is someone to make it work. That's the entire basis behind the development part of R&D. The research finds something, and the development integrates it into a practical purpose.
you have to reflect the light off of something to be visible the only way they can do it. is to reflect it.if its off the viewing surface and 3 dimensional IT IS A HOLOGRAM!!!
The holy grail of it would be to reflect light off of some form of energy field which could be controlled and manipulated, but that is the Star Trek level dream.
im 4 years late but why so many idiotic comments? This video was done well and it helped us to see an obvious scam. Also you have good character so I subbed :)
The argument that an interactive hologram would be no more effective than a physical button and therefore wouldn't be cost effective... that's like saying interactive touch screens would be no more effective than a physical button and therefore not cost effective, but touch screens are everywhere now, because being able to directly interact with an image is idk... USEFUL?
Also, the whole water spray thing? No shit. They're not magic, the light needs something to reflect off of. The fact is, they have created a 3D image by reflecting it off very small amounts of water vapour. It isn't too inconcievable that by controlling when and where light and water is projected a 3D image can be drawn, unlike in the light show you displayed, which was just a projecter on a much larger, uncontrolled collection of steam.
lastly, making it interactive would probably be the easiest part of this whole thing. All theyd need to do is implement already existing motion tracking devices and output that data into the device that processes the projection. with a bit of coding, voila, an interactive hologram. No different to how a motion sensor can display what it detects on a computer monitor.
Honestly, aside from the lack of updates and such since the kickstarter was complete (which is admittedly a little sketchy), this seems pretty legit.
There are volumetric displays (like the princess leia tech) that require no screens, glasses, and produce floating images in mid-air by plasma focal points of light:
1.) Nanosecond volumetric display, dangerous to the touch (floating images in mid air, CES 2011)
ruclips.net/video/KfVS-npfVuY/видео.html
2.) Femtosecond volumetric display, safe to touch (floating images in mid-air, SIGGRAPH 2015):
ruclips.net/video/AoWi10YVmfE/видео.html
Are all of you angry that he's exposing a well crafted scam, or angry because it's not your opinion?
Realy precise humidifier ;)
"You see, if they were drawing it into the air, that wouldn't happen"
Why
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dude, the founder already said he use's modified air by using the humidifier to allow the light to refract off it. you simply repeated what the founder said, and then followed by 'it's a scam'. your basis of argument doesn't seem valid enough dude. i rating you down.
Think again Josh Au. The founder is the very same guy who did Tootz at Indiegogo. Also a scam. Surprise!
obv the focal length of the beam defines the Z axis... he was talking about the trailing light thing
The creator of this is active member in the Diamond Club community (note the shirt, things like Modern Rogue, Night Attack, Cordcutters, etc) He is proud of his work and is constantly working on improving it.
Either he is genuine, or he is going to great lengths to target one small community specifically. He has also appeared on shows like Current Geek within the past couple months, so that would be an odd way to run.
The creator is a con artist, and this is not his first gig. Check out "Tootz" at Indiegogo. 100% scam.
So.. you're making a parody, right? Sure this technology is a few *light*years away, but the concept is still there.
If it was just a scam, so be it.
I was going to continue arguing with you about the technology, but after realizing you're just trying to emulate Idubbbztv's "Kick Starter Crap" video series, I don't think it's worth my time. BTW you could have made your content stand out by say.. talking about the concept of holographic display?
If you want to chat on here, I'm totally down.
Playing ED w/o a vr headset is like playing old school nintendo while everyone else is on PS4. I got to try it with a subpac and a talon chair... I still dream about it at night. lol.
I don't know what to say about this. The way that some of the beams show could just be dust particles in the air or something like that. Of course the image would get messed up if you put your hand on the black box. When I first started to think about holograms I knew that with our current technology you can't make an image with just a laser and without it being dangerous. If it was water mist you would e something on the guys hand. I have seen a laser plasma hologram which is a little more believable, but plasma is very dangerous. They use hydrogen plasma in fusion reactors. There is DEFINETLY a way to make holograms touchscreen. Something such as Xbox Kinect could be used with some programming and modification. You can already make a glass pane touchscreen. And mist doesn't really work well with reflecting light.
This thing can work, evem iif it uses water sprayers to creat a canvas for the laser, because the nozzles for the water jets are aranged on a field, therefore different depths of the image can be achieved by activating different nozzles. Im certain that this is real 3d! It is sad that somebody who doesnt understand the engeneering behind this product speaks bad about it, on RUclips!
Sorry for my Engliish but im from another part of the World.
4:25 Because Autodesk Revit which provides a 3d view (on a 2d screen mind you) which using a 3dconnexion space mouse can be interacted with like it was really 3d wasn't good enough.
Pretty sure I saw this guy on a few episodes of Scam School here on RUclips
I've seen water fountains in a grid do amazing 3d things with pulses of water. Not hard to imagine a micro version that shoots tiny pulses of humidified air off which the laser light reflects. I'm curious to know how it might work in a breeze and what the limits of resolution might be.
The limits of resolution should be simple to calculate (spherical cow time) presuming that the mist projector has perfect lamellar flow and can instantly create and disperse sheets/walls/columns of water vapour which the laser can interact with, being the resolution of the laser projector (EG: 640x480, 1024x768, etc) times the number of sheets/walls/columns of mist it can create.
The major stumbling blocks would seem to be (1) depth resolution being severely hampered by how thin the sheets/walls of mist can be and (2) how quickly can they disperse so that adjacent layers don't interfere with each other. I'm pretty sure it would look much like that fuzzy street art at 10:08 in quite short order.
If you're playing E:D specifically, you'll want the Oculus Rift. I have both, and the Vive beats the Oculus in every possible way... except E:D. It's got a slightly sharper picture/larger sweet spot which is super important for reading the tiny text on everything. It's also a bit lighter and cooler which means longer sessions.
I actually didn't know that! Thank you!
i think holobuttons only really work well on acoustic levitation based displays.
Video begins at 1:13
Yeah let's see you do better. That's still a hologram.
It made 3D images tho
I am going to try to make a hrs a holographic reality system it isn’t to hard to do a holographic button
The fragmenting of the drawing when putting your hand under, could also be a covering for another light device and thus a destroying of an interference (wrong spelling sorry) and thus it becomes 2D. No mater what kind of laser you build, I would never dare to spray out anything over or near the power supply or laser device, so I guess that is not the way they did it.
There seems to be quite a few similarities between TOOTZ and HOLOVECT. Lots of empty promises, lots of delays, lots of lame excuses, and lots of disappointed backers.
Are you going to give refunds to all the people that sent you money on Indiegogo & Kickstarter, Jaime Ruiz Avila?
Or are you planning on keeping the money...?
Right on, CMDR.
I believe it was real, the tech I mean, but I have no clue why they never delivered the tch to the backers. Maybe a legal issue?
Where did you get holographic button? Hes saying that its easier to see a hologram than look at a screen to better understand what youre looking at
Also i dont see why using literes to describe the volume it can handle is a problem
Light would trail off and you would know that if you knew what a vector is.
You cant conclude that because blocking the box messes with the projection it uses mist because if blocking the box didnt affect the projection, they wouldnt need it. You didnt then they figured out how to make a paser stop midair did you? The box makes small temperature jets that refract the lasers rather then let them hit the wall
Also get a better camera
about the button, wouldnt it be possible to make? you know these sinks that you put your hands under and the water starts flowing? would it be possible to put this and a hologram together? single button inputs might be possible this way
Dude, ever heard of the Leap Motion? Or the XBox sensor system (I forget what it's called?) Just use one of those for an input device
Is it just me or is your sound slightly off? Just as a tip: Clap at the beginning of your recording.
This really does exist in japan though, of course not on a consumer level. It was made by Burton Inc.
edit: actually they use legit plasma lasers and its dangerous as hell
This video could be 1.30 long, and would be much better. Don't insult my intelligence by speaking so slowly and in such a condescending fashion (like when I flicked to 9-10 mins). I understand, you're angry, but it reflects badly.
I set playback speed to 1.25 - and voila!
The black box could have been used to generate a stable flow?
12:20 specifically 1/5th or 20% the original scam asking price. i, too, have exposed internet scams on my channel. keep it up. the future rests on whether we allow or persecute such criminals.
You can talk also about the magic stick project in Indiegogo, is a big fraud also
A fool and his money is easily parted.
Crowdfunding = scammers delight.
That's a funny claim. I've gotten a majority of the rewards I've pledged for on Kickstarter and Indiegogo, and the ones who didn't offer rewards opensourced their technology. Maybe I'm just really, really lucky?
And Jaime Ruiz-Avila from El Salvador is very good at that. Check out Tootz over at Indiegogo. Same guy....
The interesting thing about the OP's opinion editorial is that he doesn't have any specifics in terms of Photonics or his degree of expertise in the field. This was an interesting watch, and he tries to pose awesome arguments, but fails miserably at executing those ideas. The holovect does act on a very rudimentary level, but that's the whole point. It's not meant to be the next step in holography. It's meant as a jumping off point for cost effective designs to be elaborated on. No one else is doing this, if you've done any research from the current CES' holographic display technology. On top of that, the original OP's lack of experience in the field shows immensely. I can't trust someone's opinion who doesn't quite go ALL THE WAY with their research. Fail.
The BS detection process in this case is pretty simple and straightforward: Does something like this exist? no. Would people be interested in real 3D holograms? yes. Should someone produce a REAL hologram machine, would he need to resort to Kickstarter to get funding? Absolutely no.
There you have it, it's crap.
still waitin for my .. *HOVERBOARD*
*EPIC GUITAR RIFF WITH SYNTHISIZER NOISES*
Didn't u say u wanted gamin with holograms. Let them put in sensors lol.
Yeah, this is just a mist machine. So it supposedly does 3D vector graphics? Why would you showcase it to a reasonably large audience on a 3rd party show _and not show the one important thing its supposed to be able to do?_ Outside of their self-produced videos, the only thing we've ever seen it draw is a stick and a very shitty circle.
I mean if I claimed I made a car that could drive sideways and took it to an auto show _and only showed it driving like a normal car_, everyone would call bullshit, and rightfully so.
Add to that the fact the the guy had another kickstarter project which was a farting unicorn that (big surprise) farted using water mist and LEDs and I think we're pretty solidly in scam territory.
Spot on! This is a scam for sure, and people are discussing whether or not they like the guy in the video or the way he speaks. Talk about missing out on the forest for all the trees.... Read the comments on Tootz over at Holovect. Same creator as Holovect....
10:25 BUT! It can do Hatsune Miku!
Likes vs dislikes both 215
You need to reduce the level of that bass line. I cant watch your video because i'm wearing headphones and i don't want to fuck around with my EQ settings.
It might be a scam, or rather unfulfilled goal... but your points are pretty bad. And the things you read, you took it as something else entirely. That's strawman argument.
One, he isn't saying hologram will be a button. Interactive as in you can actively modify it instead of waiting for the 3D printer to make it. Even if I'm wrong and you are right, you clearly said "I think" implying you aren't entirely sure. So how can this argument be remotely trustworthy.
Also 3D motion censors is not hard and has became a relatively cheap technology. Hologram buttons won't be practical for everything but they aren't as expensive as you make it that would prohibit it's use at all. Engineering can use such technology and still be cost effective.
It isn't exactly required but there is no reason why it can't work or can't be cost effective. And what makes you assume it is energy inefficient? If the hologram itself is already low power. And existing sensors is also low energy. What makes you think combining them will make it more energy draining? It more or less have a problem
Then you target its simplicity, it is pretty much a prototype so... yea no pong. Also what makes you assume this device require so much processing that the Edison core can't handle? can you provide reasoning and examples through existing vector based programs?
Just because Edison is used for simple stuff doesn't mean it can't be used for complicated stuff. That's a slippery slope.
The light trailing off because it is a laser shone on to air... so duh... They are drawing it in to the air. The air is of different density, pressure, humidity and temperature so it refract and reflect light. And yes you can call it a humidifier, but the "humidifier" is a lot more complex than that or else you will get the 'mist' even though this device isn't shooting aerosol or particles hence it won't be 2D.
You see this same refraction in the heat of summer for example. Of course it needs this box since the emitter is just that. It won't make the beam redirect itself, that's a stupid assumption to make. it uses something to refract it. And it uses the black box so when you block it, ofc it stops working. Which may interfere with the button thing. But that was never a confirmed feature.
Oh no. He plays Elite: Dangerous.
For some reason all this talk about holograms reminded me of the old arcade game "Time Traveler".
I do think this is fakery. But I totally disagree on physical interaction. If they really are scanning a shape -- 2D or 3D -- with a laser, a simple optical sensor could look at the beam position when light was reflected back and know you touched the pattern, where you did. Much like many laser scanners in use everywhere.
It's makes like these I try to avoid
Hologram is useless, I'd prefer a HD monitor in 2D.
i bet he's a vegan
Like most people that fall for these everyday crowdfunding scams this is why I don't give any of my hard earn pay to Kickstarter, Indiegogo, GoFundMe, and other such crowdfunding scam sites.
THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!
I have been RACKING my brains trying to figure out how the manipulated the refractive Index of a voxel of air as he claimed. I knew it was bogus the moment I COULD NOT FIND the patent or a published scientific journal paper on his claims. Also, the "designer" sounds incompetent and their website has been shut down (holovect). #BustedLieTechnology
lip sync tho.
You have no idea what you are talking about. It's embarrassing.
so I guess you've never been to Disney....they already have hologram tech...n it's VERY good...n I seen it way back in 2003! ...you need to get out more. lol ....an interactive hologram would be possible with simple sensors, colored lasers, mirrors, pulse width modulation & infrared (PIR) with a holographic image produced/overlayed to the space your sensor is operating in..making it seem like a holographic interactivity....this is entirely possible with tech that's already available...not saying this product is what it says...just saying, it's possible...& no one has put the "lego pieces" together yet.. shit the DOD can draw a 3D God in the sky and send out wavelengths to make people FEEL like they are having a religious experience...n producing an experience that people would fight to the death to swear to you it WAS REAL.
..it could also be done with a light, light vapor
MyBigThing2010 Disney's "holograms" are Pepper's Ghosts and there's no dispute over how an interactive hologram would be possible in this video, the dispute is over the cost effectiveness between all the required sensors and processing and the power to run those things compared to a regular physical button.