The Police vs Grime Music - A Noisey Film
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
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Noisey presents a new documentary about London's grime scene and its relationship with the police hosted by JME and featuring Meridian Dan, Jammer and Big Narstie.
In February, Just Jam's event at The Barbican was cancelled at the last minute. It was an event that seemed to be yet another victim of the London authorities now notorious risk assessment procedure, Form 696.
Told through the eyes of Jamie Adenuga-grime outfit Boy Better Know's tee-total, vegan frontman who was booked to perform at the Barbican-Noisey investigates what the reasons behind the sudden cancellation were. He speaks to lawyers, journalists and fellow artists like Jammer, Meridian Dan and Big Narstie to find out whether the prohibiting of grime music events by London police is a cause for concern, rather than a solution to crime in the capital.
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They got the right person to do this documentary, JME is probably the smartest person in the grime scene
True
crazy titch would have been better
Gabriel DaVega-Cortes wretch would've done it good to same with narstie any OG in the scene tbh
And what about Lowkey, Devlin and Akala? JME is super intelligent but dont forget about masterminds.
Much love!
Gabriel DaVega-Cortes only reason I watched this
Is it me or does Jme sound like he's going to bust a rhyme every time he speaks
It's actually insane how accurate that is
Loooool yes
Yes sir, I am scared with him.
Head like a fucking orange
Just u mate
JME, the man's best representative for the grime scene
or wiley
TheLemondog1 or Terminator?
Taymah Anderson tttt
***** On a hiatus aint he?
Him and Big Narstie atm
"There's football events where things kick off all the time"
PUN PUN PUN
Ste Bradbury Design Yes because the pigs want them on the streets killing themselves not turning there life around
I didn't see your comment I wrote the same. Yes that totally proves its bullshit doesn't it. Should use it as president
They do the same at risk pubs at football
Hardcore grime fans dont even know any of jammers bars
KidDynamite40
its the murkle man,
go to your ends and circle man,
all for the green and purple man,
KidDynamite40 truuuuuuuuuuuu
KidDynamite40 shut down the rave like cs gas
+KidDynamite40 Hahaha that killed me, i heard what he said, scrolled down and that was the first thing i read
I only know the murkle man Barz lol an "it's the murkle man, dressed in the green and purple man" then "it's the murkle GUYYYY!! Dressed in the green and purple GUYYY!!" Gonna give myself a slap now for taking the time to write this fuk sake
jammer doesn't know jammer's bars😂😂
loool😂😂😂
L Deliveryman 😂😂😂
Arrest your kids if they know Jammer's bars
eastpak2g6 Write down some of his bars..
***** JESUS CHRIST THAT'S ENOUGH MAN.. ENOUGH..
***** Those bars are sinful.. They belong in the desert.
***** He's race baiting.. I dislike race baiters.
***** What if a white rapper spat those bars and changed the words to white brits? Would you still think the punch lines were ok then?
Big up JME for respecting computer nerds like me
TidmanJ I believe JME himself is a computer nerd
JME has a Graphicas Design degree.
Mans a ryzen threadripper you’re a pentium dual core
@@chungarito7739 😂😂😂 i love that bar
696 and its SHUTDOWN
+LM VS ayyyy i was saying "n it's shutdown" the whole video
LM VS i
Class comment
all i could think of lol
One of the lowest points of anti-intellectualism in grime was when Wiley dissed Sharky Major for having multiple GCSE's. JME have done so much to elevate grime intellectually, without compromising the rawness of the energy.
Loooooooool shut up Michael
Michael deffo a southern uni student
@@Yung_Mango JME was also a southern uni student
@@i_know_youre_right_but you just proved his point fool
and then... suddenly... drake and skeppy become best mates and grime goes massive
+Sailfullah grime was getting massive at the time yeh but drake was and still is the biggest so you can't really say drake was taking credit when grime benefited a lot more than drake did init , cos i guarantee skepta got more fans off drake than the other way round
Sailfullah Saifullah nah bruv I wasn't saying that I was just saying it cos now all the youts in america arse licking us
+Sailfullah Saifullah grime is a sub genre in hip hop. its just like grunge to rock. drake exposed grime to a more general population.
+stan sykes true. these hipsters will move onto something different soon. all this love for grime now is so fake & inorganic.
+CapiTen10 preach mate, when i was in yr 7 and listened to grime and jme etc. everyone dissed me now they think they roadmen, fucking piss taking sheep fam
Every time he says the word 'Shutdown' I sing Skepta - Shutdown, sure im not the only one.
Probs the only skepta u know
+Lewis Holdsworth Whiteboy "Roadman" Alert
some whiteboy anthem
If there is any beef at the rave, you can't blame that on the rave. It's because some people at the rave just happen to fall out or have beef previously. Fights and deaths can happen in a club playing any kind of music. It has nothing to do with genre. No MCs are on stage at a club saying "Start a fight with someone right now! Shoot that boy stood next to you for no reason!"
I haven't been to a single grime and hip-hop night where someone got killed. I have been to plenty of clubs, pubs and bars playing chart music where someone got hurt real bad. I've been stood in a queue at Halo in Leeds, playing commercial dance music, when a guy shot two bouncers because they wouldn't let him in with trainers. (He and the bouncers were all white and the club didn't even stay closed that night).
There's a lot of layers to the police's reasoning, but those layers are almost always built on one foundation - race. Sad really, but it's gonna take a few generations in the police force to die out before we see change. Until then, institutional racism will remain a big factor in how they make decisions.
Forward riddim yeah lol, I think it had an bit of an effect on the impression on the genre.
Steven A
Trust. Imagine if they started banning people playing football in public because of football hooligans? It would be stupid.....but this is the logic the feds are using to lock off grime raves.
Steven A wanna fight
2 bouncers were shot and they kept the club opened that sounds like a massive lie
Michael Isaac You must have me confused with one of the 14 year olds in your circle who make shit up to sound cool. If it makes you feel better, nobody died.
Yousif Davis I'll see you at the rave
jammer kids know your bars.... because for the last 10 years you haven't made any new ones and spit the same ones over and over
loooooool innit Gucci Man
😂😂😂😂
Gucci Man Oh shit Jammer are you going to take that sitting down rudeboy?
Gucci Man MURKED
Gucci Man Brrrrrrrrrr!
I ran security for Tony Black & Big Narstie etc, they are real Gentlemen a pleasure to work with and very respectful of the venue, the artists and the family that enjoy the events....
There has never been 'gangsta trouble' at these events, its a close community of brothers and sisters sharing their passion for the music and the scene..
I will always give them my support as head of security and any references they need for other events ..
Very nice to hear 💯
The fact the police declined any involvement in the documentary says a lot
It's great to see Grime getting the exposure it deserves. Great work Noisey!
I think Jammer is a bit deluded if he thinks policemens kids know his lyrics!
IMA BIG MAN BUT IM NOT THIRTY
cuz they do? police have kids who smoke weed so yh trust i know lads
Beth Stubbd A girl named Beth, from England (London? ) daughter to a policeman and smokes weed? stereotypical English white girl lol jkk
lol i dont people i know ahah Tylar Crux n im from Stoke not London
Beth Stubbd
Wtf has smoking weed got to do with listening to Jammer? I know people the listen to Tchaikovsky and smoke weed.
Jamie mate, wear your seatbelt.
xD Is that all you got from this video?
+K Patel it seems so lol
+Dale Clarke I'm back 4 months later and I don't remember writing this comment... 😂
some seriously ignorant comments on here wow how does this turn into an anti UK thing tho lmao americans thinking they know everything as usual chill ITS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT YOU
tell them
so many young emerging rap/grime artists from the uk that posses more talent than allot of the rappers you would hear in america. ie. chief keef and the rest of gbe. loool
Hypocrite.
GUAP GANG talent gets you no where..it's all about being dedicated and being consistent with your music.
Cuz this "music" is fucking shit
The way Big Narstie says 'Jesus' at 1:53, had me done 😂
ThePoolQueenBaby Taylor
ThePoolQueenBaby Taylor ... had me done ... great choice of words are you also one of these inbreds I guess you are !
David Murphy Do you always address people like this?! What's wrong with you? Talking to people like that for no reason is extremely rude, you could've just simply commented on my choice of words but there was no need for the hateful comments now was there?
It's just Internet talk. "Had me done" means I find it extremely funny. It makes sense if you're actually living in 2016. What's the problem? I wouldn't actually use these words in important places... You're just so rude, I can't get over it.
David needs a REAL G UPPERCUT
This is nowhere near as rowdy or aggressive as a British punk concert, mind you they used to be oppressed in the 80's-90's as well. Actually, come to think of it, didn't Britain once try to oppress 60's rock? Some day there will be a 'Pirate Radio' movie about this grimes scene. What is it with British government and music cultures? The Stones, The Sex Pistols and now JME have all been shut down because they didn't invite the Queen. I think the police don't like these events cause they never got to be 'cool kids' or maybe some rocker girls broke their hearts.
You forgot acid house and rave. They actually made that illegal.
Now it’s drill music
Yeah aggressive music attracts aggressive fans sometimes lots of country songs about drugs and murder too it's in lots of genres like he said it's "cultural".
Yeah aggressive music attracts aggressive fans sometimes lots of country songs about drugs and murder too it's in lots of genres like he said it's "cultural".
Yeah aggressive music attracts aggressive fans sometimes lots of country songs about drugs and murder too it's in lots of genres like he said it's "cultural".
So how come if some metal heads such as myself go to a metal concert, and mosh like crazy no one bats an eyelid? Grime is one of the last musical genres I'd expect to get shut down for potential violence, aggression.
Trust
this is fucking stupid. metal audiance is one of the least likely audiances to cause violence.
Are u serious man, just wanna feel progressive today or what.
It’s called racism my guy
@@ojinikaagbu3525 💯💯💯
7:07 nah, that's not me
+AIDEN_js Act like a wasteman thats not me.
IsaacOfficixl Sex any girl nah thats not me
Lips any girl nah that's not me
Yeah, I used to wear Gucci but i put it all in the bin cause thats not me.
IsaacOfficixl True, I used to look like you but dressing like a mess nah thats not me
I agreed with everything said apart from when the Journalist Sunny said that the police's job was to deal with crime after it happens.
I think thats an incredibly stupid thing to say, of course the police are going to take pre-empitve measures to stop crime! The problem is not the Police taking these measures, rather the lack of transparency when dealing with these events, and the lack of explanation for the cancellations.
If the police really do have evidence that things were going to happen, then there is no problem, but its just that noone knows.
Well-explained point at your last paragraph.
david19835 But what the journalist said was true, very rarely does the police actually stop a crime as it is occurring or before it does. The Police's job is the maintain the peace of the community. For a while now, the police's role has been ever expanding because of demand from the public, but you forget that the police can't control crime, they are there to only maintain the peace and arrest people after they commit a crime. You can't arrest someone for thinking about killing someone, they can only arrest him after he kills him, you can't arrest someone for thinking of committing a crime, he has to commit the crime first, innocent until proven guilty in the eye's of the court, and there's not enough police officers to patrol every street of the UK to stop crime before it happens, the Police have a limited budget.
Bob Apuskiduski
I disagree completely. Much of the police's work is done before the crimes happen. You can be arrested for "conspiracy to murder" Conspiracy to commit theft" "being equiped for theft" "possession with intent to supply"
All of these are charges that happen before the major crime.
And in any case when dealing with these events the police here do not arrest anyone, noone is charged. They say they have evidence that crimes will be commited. If they do have that evidence then of course they will take measures. And if you think otherwise then you are saying the police should just let crimes happen and deal with them after! It doesnt make sense.
As i said before the problem is not them closing the events if they actually have credible evidence. Its just the lack of transparency and clear explanations as to why.
david19835
If you really believe what you are saying, then show us all evidence of expected trouble at the events!! We will be waiting along time!!
George Stylianou
I dont think you understood the point i am making at all. I am saying that there is no problem if the evidence is available and transparent, however the issue is that we dont have it.
This sounds a lot like what happened to NWA in the 90s. Plus, those crowds were dead.
Luke Jackson Ye where they couldn't use profanity or they get arrested
Luke Jackson wasn't that the late 80s like 88 89?
+D LAD why does it matter m8
D LAD Yea
Yes. They broke up in 1991.
JME is the man
Thing that surpsised me from this is how intelligent JME actually is. Hes not some dickhead off the streets - he doesnt smoke and is vegan - and yet people want to see him as some crime lord just cos he makes grime
being vegan doesnt make someone a better person you bellend
+hoppjugallo I think the bigger point is that JME clearly comes across as quite middle class -- I mean: anime, veganism, clean lifestyle. The stereotyped middle class is normally seen as very innocent and unthreatening. So it's strange to see the police fear the scene given that some of its figureheads are not threatening at all. It makes you thinnk that the police are really going off certain assumptions about race, and maybe class, which are untenable and outright discriminatory.
hoppjugallo I know. In fact vegetarians annoy me when they start to go on. But theres a difference with this guy, who goes to the lawyer to see what can be done about the police shutting down his events, and skepta, who puts loudspeakers under a bridge shouting "fuck the police" - if that doesnt make the police want to cancel his events, then idk
+diniles Haha, but you know they're brothers, right?
janguv88 Yes, that is why i am making the point - the difference between them
Wow that ending, all of the Authorities which have the power to change these sorts of things ALL declined to have any involvement in a genuine issue which is affecting the grime scene. Things like this are just some of the reasons why there is such a general resentment towards police and authorities, there's no honesty and service about it, just completely shutting down crowds and events where they believe there is likely trouble to occur because of things which happened many years ago.
at 11:41 I was like the fuck has happened to jme's voice???
+Daniel Taylor hahaha
It wasn't jme
I'm glad jme mentioned it's not the grime music which causes bad stuff to happen, but the culture.
What culture?
Prob the minority of guys who say stuff like "free maniac" and that. Anyone who says free someone like him should be incarcerated then shot.
The thug culture. Id say the music reflects that culture though, but I hear you.
That's the whole point of the video
187Clemens
FREE TITCH
I wanna ask constable....mate
Ask your kids about me....mate
Jammer the real murkle leng man. Big documentary..
Much love from a born and raised Brooklyn NYC kid. I've been listen to grime for over 5 years now and I've been doing my best to spread the word and love of the music. It's almost the perfect blend of Rap and Reggae influences, with a twist of dubstep and electronic influences. For us descendants of Caribbean Americans, it's both familiar and refreshing. Truth be told, I'll listen to a Newham Generals or Tempa T song just as quickly as I'll listen to a Jay- Z, Fabolous, Vybz Kartel or Busy Signal song. Keep making great music, and stand strong against those that want to shut it down. Nuff respect!!
I'm sorry what JME is a vegan??
He's in a video at nandos with ed shearan and he talks about it
James Myers is this James Myers who is ginger do you remember me bud when you moved to Edinburgh
are you Ryan Fraser brother???
BREEZYT Moonornoon are u Jermaine Moonornoon's brother?
No :-(
I was in London a couple of months ago visiting a good friend and tattoo artist working there. We're both German. Liked the city a lot, although I felt like it was a little overly busy and all. I live in Cologne and that is a major city over here but not nearly as rushed as London is. Not that that is a bad thing so to speak. I don't get this intolerance in some cultural trifles over there. Coming from Germany I always feel that those are the exact values that many British men and women have fought and died for over the years, to create a tolerant and modern society. Oh well: I guess humanity (and yes I am well aware of many social problems plagueing GB, as well as I am of Germany's). Sure will be hitting up one of these events next time I'm visiting. Looks like a lot a fun and cool people to hangout around. I personally come from the punk/hardcore/metal scene, but I do like to get down with some DnB, Trap, Hip Hop from time to time and guess now Grime. Thanks for the doc. I will look into the music now. Always did like that British accent from the MC. ;)
+Teo Ayodeji-Ansell Thanks for the feedback mate. Yeah it is all just so silly isn't it? I was a foreigner for six years living in the U.S.. Alabama actually. So yeah. I heard a whole lot about Hitler and German women not shaving their armpits and what not... Of course I wasn't black, which (in Alabama) would have been quite normal, but I am just so annoyed about fucking ethnic bullshit. I hope for the day, where people look beyond dick size and therefore color of skin ;) :). Fucking retards.
If you want a less hectic London, come up to Manchester - Britain's 2nd capital. It's beast up here.
@@cs1kanon38 or Birmingham
JME is the safest guy
who else laughed at the jammer intro...
The working class create a genre of music that costs next to nothing to produce. They talk about their culture and background over an instrumental and people relate to it, start to turn it into their own subculture, start wearing the clothes that the artists wear, even start to make the music themselves but because the content isn't clean and doesn't conform to social norms, the authorities get scared and do whatever they can to stamp it out.
Grime IS the new Punk rock.
If your music is about criminal activity then they will treat you like a criminal. Promoting drugs and killing people in your music then they assume that is what you are doing. The same happened when nwa did it and that is why the culture has been stereotyped
BIG RESPECT TO NOISEY FOR FEATURING THIS DOCUMENTARY ON THEIR CHANNEL.
Who else sang along to German Whip?
I drink clipper's green tea.
Marie tha Kyd loool pg tips green tea is nicer yo
trussss mi dadi
Marie tha Kyd me hahaha :-)
The real danger to public safety? When Big Narstie takes his shirt off in the club.
I was born and raised in the US, and still live here. From the inside, it always felt that racism was such a huge problem in my country. I'm not saying that it isn't, but it has improved quite a lot over the years. But looking at the UK legal system, it seems that racism plays a strong role in the way laws are introduced. It's surprising.
+Robert Armstrong bullshit, racism plays 0 to very little role in the drafting of new legislature, in the UK and in the US.
+Sentimental Void yeah UK has always been much more about class than race
+Robert Armstrong Racism is everywhere unfortunately. I'll be honest, the UK isn't too bad in comparison to somewhere like America, it does still exist, but the truth is. Human beings are just pretty racist. What should happen is that people should accept their fucking racism, but also learn to accept that things that are different or that they can't understand don't need to be eradicated on the basis of them being different. Trying to believe humans aren't racist is delusional
TheRandomSack bullshitter
+Sunny Deez you would have to say there is no racism at the micro/citizen level to say there is no racism at the macro/institutional level and that's plain retarded. A black president doesn't really mean shit when most of this stuff is done in congress or at the state level. For example last year Alabama passed a voter ID law, which means you have to have money for the ID and free time to get it in order to exercise your right to vote, even though voter fraud is basically non-existent. Months later they shut down 31 DMVs in counties that had predominantly black populations.
New york's stop and frisk laws were created specifically for blacks and latinos. That's why even though blacks are 23% of the NYC population they are stopped 55% of the the 4.5 million stops NYPD makes a year, without probable cause, and about 90% are innocent. In fact the largest portion were young black men at 25.6% of stops even though they make up 1.9% of NYC's population.
You may not participate in it but you can't deny the existence of institutional racism.
Imagine where Eminem would be if the police shut him down for shootings at his shows. Never was his fault and it's not he fault of these mcs either
great film. really well made and well written/investigated
Big Narstie caught feelings with that back 😂😂
Did JME just said hes watch anime 24/7
What a weeb
The only thing I don't like about the grime scene is these kids that think they are tough.
SUM 1 RANDOM how do they try to sound American are you dumb? Do you even know what grime is?
Ryny like u den
Yea.
As an afro-swede I look up to historically multicultural countries and cities like UK london, makes me really sad to see that brothers in the UK suffer the same discrimination as we do in Sweden
Brilliant documentary with intelligent artists asking questions that are important to the arts. Great cameos from Feargal Sharkey and more.
Who’s watching this in 2020 ❤️
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@@Yogripper takes me back a year ahah
cute. but a total cop out of a piece of commentary. it's discrimination, plain and simple. so go deeper into WHY - and prompt action. Soft journalism. But Noisey is owned by RUpert Murdock.
One cop, Two cops
Hits ya hard.
Being white ain't no get out of jail free card.
Three cop, four cop hits ya hard
What would they have done if ya skin was dark?
USA Hip Hop #1
USA hip hop is shit fam
Jaden bourne
But what sells more soldier
Grime or USA Hip Hop in its current crippled state?
Real playas
Real hustla's
busta's still hate us, can't touch us
Gangsters still stay up, Double up tha
paper we makin, bubble up da
Police don't show me
no love Cause I don't tell on homies
Show love
But the young cat's that know me
OG's that laced me
while grow-en
This one's for the home town of Oakland
East side, west bound and North Oakland
South side stockton and Portland
back down to state that's still Golden
still blowin.
USA Hip Hop
Hip Hop and Rap is in the USA and that's where it stays. Grime stays in the UK cause it's Grime not Hip Hop and Rap. xD
A-L-E-X
A gang of brothers from Jamaica and Africa createed Grime.
Let's take the Jamaican( i.e. Arawak black indigenous Indians)
They created Reggae right?
Then all of a sudden brothers from the USA borrow that sound and create identical Reggae but give it another name or some shit.
What you U.K. Dudes did is flattering to USA Hip Hop artist but your biting our music and refuse to give USA emcees credit after stealing their music. Grime sounds like Chicago emcee twists combined with square ass techno house music= Grime sounds. It barely has soul to be honest. But melainated people like Kano, Akala, JME, Giggs and Black the ripper give it essence.
I'm a word wizard. Play that game with someone else mate :-)
#BLM
Alway's been the same in Hip hop ..or even if yo go right past punk to rock n roll in the 50's it's always a tiny handfull of idiots who spoil it for everyone else....
well done JME and noisey for this doc. police seem to hinder more than help in this instance. i went to the camden bdl night and like most grime raves its just a room full of love for the music and no tension
BDL
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Jarrod Dean VOTE BDL
dan is right about the football point
i remember when i was in year 7 tryna record jme - serious from the radio getting pissed off the dj was chatting shit and interrupting it.
So the writer for The Voice just blatantly admitted that she doesn't know what the current scene is like. She wrote the piece based on her experiences years ago and made assumptions based on that. Pretty bad reporting if you ask me.
this is so true, a club where i live thats now called pryzm someone got stabbed there all they play is chart music.
Jammer,
To be fair mate,
the whole world knows your bars cos you've been spraying the same ones for the past 12 years.
"im a big man but im not thirty" like...are you sure? XD
Hellow ladies. Lol big narstie cracks me the fuck up
JME is the realest MC and has been from day.
Good guy to have representing the scene, smart, respectable, lyrical.
Serious.
jammer looks like jar jar binks.
Darude - Sandstorm
The feds have been harassing the yout dem since the 50's with the Teddy boys, 60's with Mods and Rockers, 70's with Punk, and the 90's with the rave scene...
its silly to close these events down when people who buy tickets are paying tax and contributing to the economy. also i rather see these guys making good music instead of being on the block "trappin" and living off the government
JME and these guys look pretty chilled and rational. It could be a lot worse if this goes completely underground and there is no regulation whatsoever. If nothing else, these guys at least have their reputation to maintain.
Wtf is RUclips ads a thing I'm on RUclips already
Alfie Darling yes
"I don't go out there saying, yeah I'm gonna shoot everybody, that's not me."
umm...
"You get a punch in the face with my front door key
Punch in the neck with my back door key
Box in the mouth with my X6 key
Box in the eye with the fob
I use to log into my HSBC"
JME - Man Don't Care
'every bit of violence is more of a joke' 'elbow drop, like wrestling.'
paraphrasing, but where does he say he'll shoot someone?
katphisH your so white
Tom Jackson eh.. im asian
those bars were mad in that song
katphisH it's not X6 it's Essex
yo man dident know my uncle fergal would be in this man, utter honour!
Sick... this was well put together and very insightful. It's a shame the Police & co declined to comment but I'm not surprised tbh but having the legal representatives and contributors to grime scene made it well balanced.
Now the police wants to ban uk drill
I have a friend that lives in East London and he loves Grime music, met a lot of people in the game. I'm from Chicago and I showed him Drill music
Judd Grime is better than drill
Nah not really.
Yeah it is g
Jitsu Swagg It is
Mattoafc 789 No I mean some Grime artists like JME, Ghetts, Kano, Lethal Bizzle, etc I just mostly like the black Grime artists.
I could listen to serious all day
best vid I've watched in time ⌚ need more exposure for this kind of stuff.. feds should focus their time on actual crime not interfering with the music scene
JME PLEASE ADOPT ME
that's what the UK police did in the Disco era, it's pretty fucked up
Valid point Dr Knoble, however wrong Grime isn't Hip Hop or a style of it, Grime is a descendant of UK Garage, Jungle & Rock, with small elements of HipHop.. Grime is separate genre invented by the UK & only in recent years has it developed American elements to make it more marketable to the mainstream.
Have you heard of Hip House? /watch?v=X2zNvBNTnHg It came from Chicago in the late 80s, it was a combination of Hip Hop and House music via rapping on dance music. But it never went anywhere just like Grime, because it wasn't distinct enough and was ultimately overshadowed and consumed by other forms of Hip Hop. UK Garage is just another style of House, and when you rap over it you get what yall are calling Grime or what I knew as Hip House. Point is it doesn't matter how it came to be, Grime is Hip Hop because it imitates every aspect of Hip Hop culture, like the rapping, beats, battling, beefs, hood association. And different style beats doesn't make it a new genre, because through Hip Hop history beats have constantly changed - look at Afrika Bambatta's beats. You can't take nearly every aspect of an already established culture and expect people to call what you've made brand new. You'd be lying to yourself. Fact is Grime is just a style of Hip Hop.
It's the Governments decision what the Police do, not the officers themselves...
+Jack Aldred Untrue - It's left for the Police to decide what the Police do, the government decide the Chief Constable for each of the 43 territorial police forces in the UK; the Chief Constable's decide who's next in command, etc.
There is a lot of unseen corruption and discrimination in UK Police Force which is why things like this go on.
Areosis
But what I'm saying is that it's the Police's job to go and stop things like this, it's not out of choice.
Ghetto Stewie Just because most Grime artists are black, it doesn't mean it's racist lmao.
lmeo
blabada 123 dad ffs stahp storking me on all soshial mediaas ffs XD XD XD
JME nearly visited every ethnicity
loads of kids in my school take music like this serious, the actual artists seem really cool and mature...
People should be able to perform grime music without any hassle, the police just think the music is a bad influence probably.
I don't blame the police officers themselves because as they said in this video they're just doing their jobs. I blame the government who tells the cops what to do. The government thinks that things like grime music change people into criminals and make them join gangs which is a very idiotic assumption; I grew up in London and I've been listening to people like JME for a few years and I haven't committed any crimes. The government needs to learn that it's the PEOPLE themselves who choose to commit the crimes while listening to the music; IT ISN'T THE MUSIC that causes them to do it.
Even if the government bans grime music and tries to shut it down completely, people will still commit crimes; if the government focused on improving people's quality of life INSTEAD OF MUSIC (that everybody enjoys), then those less fortunate people who receive help will stop stealing (or they will steal less). The government can easily decrease the level of crime if they focused on the right things and used their money to help the PEOPLE
I don't think the most important aspect of this situation is discrimination.
Artists of this genre generally hold a critique of the police and/or government.
In politics when opposition has the potential to pick apart your argument you resort to censorship.
If the government wanted to stamp out grime they would simply let these events run and then publicise the "inevitable" incidences.
If they really held the moral high ground, they would welcome queries and interviews to strengthen their position.
What the government, police department and probably most recent MI5 are afraid of, is the spread of a philosophy of dissatisfaction with the current establishment.
Since the riots occurred instead of solving the problem, they seek to suppress it's opposition through removal of freedom and liberty.
Grime and "urban" music in general, although unequipped with the conventional jargon is definitely a political and philosophical ideologue.
You make a good point but surely they can see that the number of people who are involved in these events is substantial, surely by removing people's rights entirely your even more likely to antagonise them and fuel the very problem they are trying to eliminate?
Bearing in mind this is no slick mainline TV documentary, it wasn't too bad. But some real own-goals with 'police should deal with the criminality afterwards' and 'I'd never speak to the police'.
So, if there's a problem at an event, some of the acts may go out of their way to not assist police when they could.
Probably cos they'd get friends / family & neighbours to sort it out... More than likely meaning more violence. Something the average Londoner is sick of experiencing or reading about.
Shame. It's a video trying to make a point against critics of Grime, whilst supplying ammunition to those very same critics.
"i'm trying to do an interview, stop distracting me" LMFAO
the level of self denial of the levels of trouble associated with grime and it's subsequent culture is utterly deluded.
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What has bigbigsounds quote got to do with court cases? lol. The courts would never create a case law where it states the level of trouble at a grime event is link to the genre of the songs, it would be judicial over reach. But if you want research then the Iowa state university did a study on The Effects of Violent Music on Children and Adolescents. Their conclusion was that yes, violent music does cause some people to be violent, but not as much as people think, the research stated that the power of music on people was over-exaggerated, but not false. It found that violent music videos have more of an effect on people than the song itself. If you want to check out the paper then Google it, it's named The Effects of Violent Music on Children and Adolescents and the authors are
Donald F. Roberts, Peter G. Christenson, and Douglas A. Gentile from the Iowa state University.
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I never said we should ban grime, it's a way of expressing opinions and feelings, it falls under freedom of speech, all i did was state violent music and violent music videos do cause some people to be violent, my opinion was based on a research paper, yours was on nothing. You can't, and shouldn't, ban something because of what its community does, there's a reason the KKK and EDL are still legal organisations. If you want more then find the research paper I talked about, i gave you more than enough information to find it. Also, nice straw man argument with then Tchaikovsky overture.... Doesn't work....
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Also, you never answered my first question, what has bigbigsounds quote got to do with court cases?
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nice, i'm sorry, you got me, that "lol" proved me entirely wrong....
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I guess i've already answered that "The courts would never create a case law where it states the level of trouble at a grime event is link to the genre of the songs, it would be judicial over reach." I do not believe any genre of music should be banned, especially because of something an idiot, who's part of the community, did. And i'll admit i haven't done enough research, most of my opinions on this comes from a single paper from the Iowa state university, but you opinion doesn't seem to have much backing it.
This kind of reminds me of the cops/fbi vs juggalos. There is some weird crackdown world wide with music, art, culture etc... very alarming the way the world is headed.
Jme sounds and acts like such a nice dude man!
russ millions at 2:17
Bless JME for not getting arrested
Exactly right look at Ariane grandes concert
I myself am a huge grime fan. Unfortunately the scene is frowned upon by the likes of police due to vast majority of the genre promoting guns and violence. Take Big H for example, he turned up at LOTM6 and the only bars he spat was 'shotgun this, AK that'. Then there's other MC's saying they are going to 'lick off heads' which sounds more homosexual then anything but the way it's meant does intend violence.
Unfortunately for all the decent artists that produce and make good grime music, it has the knock on effect where the police think a flock of 15 year olds will turn up to the events screaming FREE TITCH with a bottle of white lightning and a knife in their hands.
Happy days
I see your point, but why aren't the Police stopping acts like Rick Ross coming to the UK? He probably talks more badness & guntalk than any Grime artist!
Because acts like Rick Ross attract all the moist school girls other commercialised bullshit
Death metal lyrics are all about serial killers and mutilations, but it's pretty clear apart from the odd sick fuck, this is just imagery and the fans are clever enough to know that. No difference with grime.
Well done for this JME. Keep Grime alive!
Do you know Afghan Dan he's also in London to bruv and he does grim and from blackpool I think mate.
Derrick Fichtner They've already done a vid about him roughly 2 days ago mate
This video needs to be televised.. So it can get more publicity.. So more people will start asking the same questions.. So the powers that be are forced to give answers and hopefully change their ways.
'I met up with my mate Jammer'
I always thought they were cousins lool
They still look straight outta 2012, bro look like an asap rocky song 😂 man look like he went madddddd in primark
The first person in the video was jammer.......had to skip it instantly
there should be a follow up to this report and see how its evolved, even after post pandemic to see where things are at.
yo what beat was that at the end?
The Police don't understand. This much is clear. But there are a few things you lot can do to stop this shit from going down. First you can put away this daft MC accent & talk like a sensible artist & competent promoter. It's proven that the more polite you are, the better spoken & more amicable you act.. the more "approachable" you become. Listen to the Solicitor - Intelligent. "Can we have a grown up conversation about this?"
Second, you can put away the macho jock code & names like "DJ I Will shank your sister's dog & stuff it in your fucking letterbox - spesh delivery". Seriously, you can't fail to see that DJ Nasty is a bad idea for a name. You're asking for this reaction.
Lastly, there's a very obvious reason why the Babylon never reacted this way to Jazz, Blues, Soul, Prog, Funk, Trip-Hop, etc. Want me to spell it out?! Because they didn't create harsh music with hateful explicit lyrics, to beats that go hard with almost no musicality & very little emotional content; aside from hate that is.
There are 2 ways to react to discrimination:
1. Expressing your pain & dejection with sadness - The very foundation of 'soul', & the valid emotion which measures the value of something absent.
2. Resorting to rage, rapping as loud as the voice can go & repudiating the establishment as though it's their fault for a lack of vision.
Now, think of how stupid "Screamo" sounds! And now think of how powerful Jazz became due to Blues.
NO counter argument. Just what I thought. Intelligence... absent.