What most people do not understand, is that access time did not make any major improvement since 166 SDRAM. for SDRAM running at 133MHz access time was about 7.5ns, for DDR5 running at 4800MHz with CL36 is still about 7.5ns access time. DDR5 8000@CL36 has about the same latency in terms of time, not cycles, as DDR4 4000@CL18. Sequential operations are faster, but random read / write take about similar tima as with SDRAM 133MHz :)
You are totaly forgetting about bandwith, latency is only one part of equation and even with random read write DDR4/DDR5 will be faster than old SDRAM.
@@pavelgajdik7486 I did not forget, just did not comment, but You are right. Obviously not all operations are random access and a lot of them are sequential. Then full bandwidth available can be used. However in worst case latency will kill that performance.
@@adamborowski1412 Yes, but chance or real worst case random acces is pretty low, application usually alocate bigger block of memory and R/W more than few bits here and there. Its also where dualrank moddules help when you need wait after operation on Rank 0 you can work with Rank 1.
Every time I hear him talking about price / performance , I say to myself "thats how I would explain it if I had his knowledge", greetings from Argentina nice videos.
Great video! I honestly think of I went DDR4 B-Die, 13900K I would keep that System for at least 6 years no Question. It does everything I need it to do from Emulation to Raster Gaming. Even if I decided to jump into content creation I have hella cores to assist with that. Doesn't seem like a bad proposition honestly.
@@johnhughes9766 Something's odd. Could be a terrible IMC or terrible motherboard or MB BIOS. I've had 2 B-die 3600 16-16-16-36 1.35v kits. One was 2x 8GB Trident Z and the other (my current) is 2x 16GB Trident Z Royal. Neither could overclock past their stock 3600 MHz. I even threw up to 1.55v at them. I loosened all the timings like crazy down to even CL24. I still couldn't go past stock 3600, not even 3733. That was with a 9700KF and Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro. I then moved to a 10900K and Gigabyte Z590 Aorus Ultra and gues what? Same story, RAM wouldn't overclock the slightest no matter what. I then moved to an 11900KF (same board)....and still no OC at all possible. I was mad and thought all this b-die stuff was just a load of crap. I then read that a ton of people had RAM OC'ing problems with Gigabyte boards so I said to myself I'll try Asus or MSI when I get my 12th gen CPU. Well, low and behold, with my MSI Z690 Edge (and 12900KS), I can OC that same 2x 16GB dual-rank b-die kit to 4200 MHz 16-16-16-32 and 4000 MHz 14-13-14-28. Something is completely messed up with Gigabyte motherboards and RAM overclocking at least from Z390 (not sure about before) - Z590. Actually, a lot of people (such as Buildzoid) even reported that they couldn't get RAM OCs on Gigabyte Z690 boards anywhere near as high as MSI and Asus Z690 boards.
Thanks for your video, I was wondering the same thing, it answered all my questions. Most people owning the DDR5 Intel platform will never break even with basic DDR4 B-Die build lmao, I'm one of them, since I watched all your previous videos, I knew that this would be an uphill battle with only the best cherry-picked parts reaching those speeds... I already own 4000C16 32Gb Dual Rank B-Die, But I just couldn't fathom harboring last gen equipment in my case so... it's the price of owning premium.
Dual-rank 2x 16 GB Samsung b-die kits can usually do somewhere around 4300 CL16 to 4533 MHz (CL17?) Gear 1 on Intel 14th & 13th gen and 4000 CL14 or 4200 CL16 Gear 1 on Intel 12th gen. With those 14th/13th gen speeds & timings - fully tuned: primary, secondary, tertiary, etc. - I bet it equates to somewhere around 7400-8000 MHz DDR5 gaming / real-world performance and I bet those 12th gen speeds w/ fully tuned timings equates to somewhere around 6600-7200 MHz DDR5. Both, my DR b-die 3600 MHz 16-16-16-36 1.35 V kit and DR b-die 4400 MHz 17-18-18-38 1.5 V kit, do 4200 MHz CL16 w/ the same timings at same voltage. Just make sure to give them 1.60 V. I'm 90% sure they have room for more and that my 12900KS's IMC is the "bottleneck" because the 4400 MHz kit can't even do it's stock XMP 4400 MHz, not even with lots of voltage (I also played with VCCSA and VDDQ, of course). I'll know soon when my 14th gen chip comes in. I use a Cooler Master HAF 932 case - one of the coolest temp cases ever made - with upgraded fans so my RAM temps are fine but some people will have problems with 1.60 V DRAM due to heat. B-die can become unstable over 50 degrees, some say even over 45. Zap-strapping (ie. zip-tying) a fan for the RAM is a common thing for those who need the extra cooling - helps a ton, even 12+ degrees in some setups.
Yeah too much time spent learning how to tune bdie on z490 unify (thanks to this community), no chance I'm doing all that again for DDR5. Still slaps is right. A 240hz OLED is wayyyyyyyy more interesting way to blow money anytime soon.
another point is that most people probably have a 2x16 bdie kit that overclocks to at least 3800 already so all in all you could literally deduct the ddr4 price completely..
Great info and comparison, but I have a nitpick. The system performance (fps) should be compared to the system cost (build cost). It's more like, assuming a 4090, a $3500 PC with DDR4 vs a $3850 DDR5 PC, which is a ~8% performance boost ideally for ~10% more cost. That sounds a lot more reasonable, but there are caveats that you mentioned.
TBH when I finished upgrading my build I asked myself whats the next goal realizing there are no more HW goals to chase. Now I have to deal with the fact I built way overkill machine for casually playing online games with 0 excuses for underperforming there. At least wallet gets few years to recover.
hi!! Last month I make a quote ("cotizar" in spanish) ddr4 4000 (2x 16GB) cost about $180-200 (now it is about $150), so I preferred to buy Gskill 6400 (HYNIX IC) about $210 and pair with 13700k and MSI Z690 Edge wifi. I am very happy, very good performance. Now I am waiting for RTX 4070 Ti or 4080 discount... Thanks.
Spot on. Maybe there is some silicone lottery involved but with DDR5 its still a tough job getting high freq mem kits stable without spending a lot more time/$$ plus binning and tuning like you have. Bandwidth will always be better but save the disappointment when you see the latency and freq limits of that "budget" DDR5 setup bought on sale. Its funny how A-die went from unobtainium to littered on the market in the matter of a few months. RIP to early DDR5 adopters who paid too much for those green sticks. Do yourself a favor and buy returnable, put the money towards your gpu.
I use 5800x with 2x32GB kit at 3800mhz and 16-16-19-16-21-66-4-6-16-3-6-16-554-3-3-16-8-8-4-1-4-4-1-6-6-1 with 57ns in aida64 and don't have a reason to upgrade to DDR5. It works flawless. I run my PC 24/7 and never crashes.
I'm still on the fence bc I have some really good bdie ram @3600 14 14 14 31 and I'm sure I can go higher frec no issue (over 4000 MHz) but thing is getting another 16gb of the same would cost 130 bucks so they match and not so sure about silicon lottery. So should I go extra 16gb ddr4 or should get 32gb ddr5 6000 at least?
If screen resolutions didn’t get higher & we were still on 1080p, we would be in an era we’re choosing a ram kit will be like choosing a graphics card!
Tbf it depends on if you're an enthusiast. If you're just going to throw on xmp then high end ddr5 smokes ddr4 by a viable margin. Once you tune both it gets a lot closer tho. All depends what ability and amount of time people are willing to put into their system.
got my 12900k. dont mind spending the $380 for ddr5 but how many average mother boards will do the 8000mhz gear2??? i am not looking to get an ITX board. really would like the digital number fault codes but they are not on any ddr4 boards i want. i think gigabyte makes one but i wont buy there boards.
I had a 4790k with good ddr3 and 1080ti as my main gaming PC and still today it’s the one in my room for my main gaming. I have a office PC I built a ryzen 3700x and put a 2080ti in it for a office PC … It’s alright but the difference between the 2 PCs is basically nothing unless I have a frame counter in top of screen. I could of easily skipped ddr4 completely and never noticed a performance difference if I wasn’t slightly crazy and own like 6 PCs with dgpus in my house … I have built PCs whenever I found a good deal on hardware the last decade and sold them and gave them to family members… I currently have a 1650super 2060 2070 2080ti and a 1080ti I just sold my 1060 6gb and 1070 last month just becouse it was starting to get crazy the GPUs laying around I still have a couple rx580 8gb I can’t give away literally haha no one wants a Radeon card like it’s insane. Have had Craigslist and marketplace adds for $40 and haven’t even had a offer … one kid claimed he needed it for school I told him I’d give it to him if he would come to me I wasn’t going to drive and he ghosted me for a free rx580 8gb hahahahaha the old gtx 6 series I think I still got like 3 of those in my closet to…. I was thinking about building a new Intel machine after Christmas once prices drop in February… probably go for a 13400 or 13600k … but at same time I built a 11400 build for like $200 for motherboard and cpu last month for a gaming pc for a family members kid … to me that’s probably the sweet spot right now for budget and if you get the non f chip it has Intels media engine so if they get into editing videos or decided they wanted to stream those are some very capable igpus I was shocked lately at how well Intel has done with there igpu it seems no one talks about it but it’s on par or better than Nvenc in everything I have played with it in benchmarking. Being on the cutting edge is such a diminishing returns like the pcie 4th gen nvmes … it’s just not really worth it for most people especially if you are on a budget mindset when building.
you can tell if you play very demanding games like RUST, I had a 4690k and a gtx970 on ddr3 , then moved up to ryzen 3600 3600hz with 16-16-16 timings and a 5700xt almost doubled my frames, 5700xt is about 1080ti performance. Went from 45-60 fps to 90-120 fps
@@starkistuna yeah for sure the 4thread i5s are done they aren’t good at all anymore 4core 8thread CPUs still I can’t find a game where they are unplayable I’m sure there are some aweful unoptimized garbage games out there but for the most part 4c8t parts are still very viable for gaming setups. Hell I think Intels most recommended budget cpu everyone online recommends is a 4c8t . I would definitely say if building it yourself go at least 6 c12t though it would give you prob a decade of acceptable gaming performance. The ryzen 3700 I have is excellent I built a 2700 also the year before I still have that one to. The only thing I will say is I have had to reinstall windows fresh on both of them after like a year are just randomly due to driver instability’s like random blue screening or random restarting under load to Bluetooth and wifi drivers all a sudden just going out I had to manually update the usbc drivers to get it to connect just lil annoyances … for sure not as stable as a 8700k build I have or the i7 3770ks and 4790k I have. But they where very cheap on Black Friday when I bought Both my ryzen cpu builds and the motherboards where like $70 for a nice b450. Amd are always the budget option though for a reason at least in my lifetime that’s how it’s always been it’s very strange to see AMD be the more expensive option with there new platform of course as crazy as the word has been since 2015 hahaha nothing surprises me anymore.
What is the best ddr4 32gb kit to get? From my research Teamgroup is the best? I’m coming from a ddr3 system. Already have a ddr4 motherboard and i5-13600k. Just need to order new case and the ram from next check.
im so glad i can rely on u for information u have just made my day i am saving up for new build for a dedicated gaming pc im going intel and i already got 32g of them vipers 4000 and im going to get that mobo u mentioned im prob gonna go 13600k first for fun then maybe 13900k later on . anyway just wanted to say thanks for being honest also im a member for ur discord but ive been having trouble everytime u sent invite i would click on it and it would say invalid
I have i9 13900k/RTX4080/128GB DDR4 3600 @ CL18 and i9 13900ks/RTX4090/128GB DDR4 3600 @ CL18 - both running gear 1 (my 128GB RAM 4000 sticks didn't play well at gear 1). Comparing my benchmarks to videos on here and I hold or exceed their numbers so have zero motivation to move to DDR5.
I'm rocking b-die 2x 16GB Trident Z Royals on my 5.3 GHz all-core 12900KS at 4200 MHz 16-16-16-32 w/ tuned subtimings (completely stable). It can also do 4000 Mhz 14-13-14-28 but that gives slightly lower overall performance even though the RAM calculator thing says 4000 CL14 is superior to 4200 CL16. Another weird thing: I cannot do 4133 CL15 or even 4100 CL15 even though I can do 4000 CL14 and 4200 CL16. Weird, huh?...My kit at default is only a 3600 16-16-16-36 @ 1.35v kit. It's not even the higher performance 3600 CL14 or CL15 kits, and that makes my RAM overclocks even more satisfying. Board is the MSI Z690 Edge. I might lower the OC down to 4000 CL14 @ 1.55v. The 4200 CL16 needs 1.59v. I know B-die is supposed to be able to handle 1.55v all day long but I'm a little concerned about 1.58v+. So far it's been 5 months and no fine though. No crash ever, not in any game, in rendering, nothing.
want a tuto about how to OC ur b-die rams step by step, got the Viper Patriot 4133mhz Cl19 and now I'm 3600 Cl 14-15-15-30, but I think It could be better.
ITX is the way to go for DDR4, i was able to get DDR4 4933C17-17-17-28 to run in 1:1:1 with a 5700G with a cheap af Asrock Phantom Gaming ITX i think i bought it at $109, and the RAM was $89(16GB) Same board does dual rank 32GB 4600C16 but that RAM requires alot of voltage to go that high something like 1.6v
Year or two ago I would agree, but unless someone looking now to buy PC and dont plan to upgrade CPU in next 5 years it might be better to get DDR5 othervise next cpu gen upgrade would need new CPU, MB and memory anyway. MSI is already EOL some DDR4 Z690 motherboards. Ofcourse it does not matter if you buy $300 MB+CPU+ran combo, but for expensive highend it does.
Does anyone happen to know what DDR4 motherboard he was talking about for $150? Considering upgrading from a 3800X to a 13600k, and i already have a kit of b die
Probably Gigabyte Z690i Aorus Ultra Lite DDR4. I have one with b-die and a 12700k @5.2 all-core… great value board if you don’t mind PCIE 3.0 GPU slot and a little quirkiness during setup.
@@Koshmar-13 Yeah, I just found out the latest BIOS supposedly fixed the errors that made them downgrade the board to PCIE 3. Makes me wonder if Gigabyte patched them and is only selling the more expensive version now. :\
If I already have a kit of Samsung B-die at 4400, what kind of a DDR5 what I need to be better than that? My main games are Warzone 2, and Spider-Man with Ray tracing 😂
I repeat my question since it seems way more relevant here and may be relevant to some of you as well: I was on a MSI Z690 Pro A DDR4 MoBo with CL 19 Vipers running 4000 MHz XMP: 15 seconds bios screen time - no problem. Since I switched to a 13900k the system does not post when I activate the 4000 MHz XMP profile 1. Some MSI-automation kicks in though and asks me to raise the CPU clock to match XMP-profile 2 with funky timings and a 3789 MHz clock or something weird like that. What is going on here? I have 4x 8GB Vipers installed - after I watched some of the older DDR4 overclock RUclipss on Frame Chasers I had the idea to try just two sticks on second and fourth slot as my last resort. Will I get my 4000 CL19 back with a manual "overclock" or should I not bother? Thank you in advance to whoever of you wonderful beings may decide to share their wisdom with me.
@@dimitry7182 Thank You for answering ^^ Yes: I updated my bios prior to switching the CPUs and did one recently, I longed to restore what I paid for and hammered the MSI center every week for another update. Sorry, but I was out of town for work, just now removed the 2 sticks. Aaaand it posted with 4000 MHz / 19-19-19-39. Have to test it and will tonight. TL:DR: DO NOT use - 4x Viper sticks 1,35V 19-19-19 & - 13900 on a MSI Z690 PRO A DDR4: booting up fried my Win11 and only posted with XMP2 profile after a fresh WIN10 install.
@@kenigsweg there's a chance you might just have to set a couple of things to manual settings in order to make it post with 4 sticks at 4000mhz, given that it does post at that with just 2 sticks. 4 sticks is quite a lot harder on the memory controller. Unless your cpu is a really bad bin it should do 4000mhz dual rank (and running four 8gb sticks would be dual rank). I have my 13700k running stable at 4133mhz 16-15-14-26. Try changing a couple of settings. First enable XMP profile 1 (do not restart the pc at this point) and then set Memory Fast Boot to Disabled (you can re-enable it once done with testing and you know everything is stable), DRAM reference clock to 100, cpu imc : dram clock to Gear1, DRAM frequency to 40 (4000mhz), CPU SA voltage to 1.35v (don't go any higher than that), CPU VDDQ to 1.3v and DRAM voltage to 1.45v. These are all safe voltages and settings to run without any sort of exotic cooling. If none of this works then try lowering DRAM frequency to 38 (3800mhz) and keep the rest of the settings. Do a RAM test when done, use TestMem5.
@@dimitry7182 Thank you very much. I see - so 19-19-19 is only a quality identifier - when I get one, the following applies: the tighter the timings the better? So you have a Viper 4000Mhz 1,35V CL19 yourself and I can just copy your settings (if my CPU holds up)? Or did you infer the values?
@@kenigsweg I have an entirely different kit of ram but it's also b-die and instead of 4 sticks of 8gb each I have 2 sticks of 16gb. Pretty much the same configuration as you. I have manually overclocked mine to 4133 as they come in at 3600mhz 16-16-16-36 out of the box, but at only 1.35v. Yes usually the lower the number on the timings the better but with ram it really is just finding the balance between bandwidth (speed in mhz) and latency. And the primary latency numbers (in your case 19-19-19-39) are only that - primary. They actually do not matter as much as secondary and some tertiary timings. If you follow the steps I outlined, after the "First enable XMP profile 1" part then yes, you should be able to post with that kit of ram, if not at 4000mhz then at 3800mhz. If you need further help I'd suggest bringing this out of youtube comments as I can only help so much here. If you want to you can give me some sort of account that you're comfortable with sharing and I can help you out further. Discord would be fine with me.
When playing New World with my 10900k my gpu usage drops when in the city. Going to 13900k my gpu usage sticks to 100% usage when it is he city. That’s with the same b-die ddr4 ram and 3080 TI graphics card at 4K. I can definitely see the difference moving to 13th gen from 10th.
@@iamrubinot42 The Asus ROG Strix z790-a Gaming. Even though its a z790 chipset this board uses ddr4. I haven't decided on the ram kit yet but it can support up to 5333mhz oc'd.
I’m thinking the 3D VCache Ryzen CPUs will smoke anything that Raptor lake offers at 6000mhz. High end DDR5 with those parts is unecessary just like the 5800x3D. AM5 is a better platform going forward as well
A bit offtopic, man whats wrong with your monitor gamma/color settings in this video? whenever you open notepad/web browser, my monitor becomes the sun and i dont like sun🤓
@@JagsP95 OMG, so hugeeeee. I mean in CPU demending scene. Even with GPU demending game. I have 3080Ti and with heavy RT games (like cyberounk) sometimes I have fps drop, but i was asume it is bc GPU.- BUT NOT!. when I change CPU drop fps in RT games gone!. RT effects is heavy not only for gpou but for CPU too. AND gone all of my microsutterineg in Apex Legends. Apex now is just so smoooth even with my not that good internet. Not just raw fps counts. Responsiveness, feeling, smooothens etc is sooo much better. And now i dont need close my all app in background to play, i play cyberpunk with tones of chrome tab open in background and CPU dont care. Awesome.
My DDR4 4800 gear 2 feels better than DDR4 4000/4266 gear 1 and DDR5 6000. I don't care about synthetic numbers and only care about how game feels. I will test DDR5 7200/8000 when 2 dimm boards are available.
Now I got z790 apex. DDR5 7600 XMP with basic tuning already feels better than DDR4 4800. So I guess DDR5 is indeed better but don’t avoid high frequency gear 2 DDR4.
@@iceboy1170 yeah ddr4 gear 2 is pointless. Better off tightening & going as far as possible in gear1. But I still find ddr4 is by far more stable & easier to tune. Enjoy the DDR5 tho! Its beastly for workloads.
great video I'm running 13900k / strix d4 z790 32gb ddr4 @ 4,300 MHz 15-16-16-36 @1.58v /282 trfc /gear 1 Adia 64 73.1 k read 67.9 k write 78.6k copy 45.5 NS adia 64 36 NS in Intel latency app UPDATE on days off i managed 4,400 mhz Gear 1 16-16-16-36 @1.57v passed 7 hrs of tm5 absolute adia 64 75.3k read 69.5k write 80.1k copy 45.1k latency 35.7 ns intel latency app I tied with sugi lovers 6 GHz 13900k and ddr5 8000 MHz cl 32 in csgo benchmark he got 1005 fps I got 1008. to 1010 fps same 13900k @ 6 GHz ht off e off 51 ring I'm keeping up with 8000+ ddr5 I'm staying on ddr4 update I ran 4,300 cl 15 ddr4 gear 1 passed tm5 absolute and y cru cher ect ran 6 GHz e cores off ht off and scored 1047 fps average in csgo benchmark. the 4400 cl 16 gear 1 I ran was about 15 fps slower vs 4300 c15 gear 1 . same sub timings
@@chesimpson 92mm noctua fans stacked on each other son2 of them blowing on the dimms never goes above 37c under full load 12 hrs . 4,300 c 15-16-16-32 6/2/64 282 trfc tfaw 16 7/4/7/4 12/12/12/12 vcssa = 1.38 vcssa 1.35 vddq 1.58v dim
Absurd arguments, this metodology comparing ddr4 cheap itx board to expensive ddr5 is a waste, try wider spectrum of games instead of just one, and to ensure i know all the results and price differences i’ve just finished 6 builds with ddr5 which are monster fps machines paired with Strix 4090. Investing in ddr4 now having cheapo 6600/6800 is stupid.
If you're building new rig now you go for DDR5 even if you end up with slower RAM, period. Ram speed is also becoming less and less important with bigger CPU caches. CPU's are dropping DDR4 support and then you end up in a situation if you want to upgrade you have to change 3 components instead of 1. Not to speak if you get a malfunction you have to rely on 2nd hand market parts
If you building right now u will most likely go Intel, so you will be replacing the board next upgrade... And if I pick the cheapest DDR 5 board and cheapest DDR 5 memory (4800MHz) it's still like 70€ extra for NO performance gain. And idk how much of a future proofing that is cuz you will be able to buy way faster ram with way lower latency for pretty much the same money. Unless you building the absolute best or going for the AMD 3d chips (you gonna wait like 2 months and it might dip like crazy again so you will just go back to Intel...) where the ram speed is totally useless (AMD 3d chips) just with DDR 4.
@1982 Original there is more than intel in the market, also DDR5 will still get refined and if it doesn't at least you already have a RAM you can put in a new system if needed
@@ruisilva4317 You are correct. Especially if more GPU bound the choice of DDR5 vs DDR4 is less of an issue. makes more sense to invest in the newer memory as it will serve you for longer
Funny at all these boomers spending $5k of top of the line pc gaming rig with ddr5 and a 4090 getting slapped by timmy and jacob with their 2 year old xbox and ps5 consoles.
Only when you are comparing overclocks or use XMP. I bought DDR5 because i don't want to tune DDR4 for higher bandwidth (despite latency being lower) and having the risk of damaging the CPU and i don't go beyond JEDEC.
@@seanchu9139 It can damage CPUs because you are increasing voltages that can ruin the memory controller. I hope RAM undervolting is a thing so i can increase the clocks without damaging something. I took my i7-12700K and overclocked it to 5GHz for many p-cores with -120mv or without increasing voltages with a 3-6% singlethread improvement.
“2.2x the price for a game that doesn’t let you plate while sprinting.” i felt that one…
I felt that too hahaha
@@GamexJoy Protip: yo can run and plate if you jump mid way through
Damn bro he right tho 💔
@@starkistuna i don't think it lets you tac sprint while plating though. in wz1 you could do that with no extra inputs.
Got can now plate while diving and running
What most people do not understand, is that access time did not make any major improvement since 166 SDRAM. for SDRAM running at 133MHz access time was about 7.5ns, for DDR5 running at 4800MHz with CL36 is still about 7.5ns access time. DDR5 8000@CL36 has about the same latency in terms of time, not cycles, as DDR4 4000@CL18. Sequential operations are faster, but random read / write take about similar tima as with SDRAM 133MHz :)
shhhh there not ready lol. good comment
You are totaly forgetting about bandwith, latency is only one part of equation and even with random read write DDR4/DDR5 will be faster than old SDRAM.
@@pavelgajdik7486 I did not forget, just did not comment, but You are right. Obviously not all operations are random access and a lot of them are sequential. Then full bandwidth available can be used. However in worst case latency will kill that performance.
@@adamborowski1412 Yes, but chance or real worst case random acces is pretty low, application usually alocate bigger block of memory and R/W more than few bits here and there.
Its also where dualrank moddules help when you need wait after operation on Rank 0 you can work with Rank 1.
Thanks Jufes. Your input helps sift through the crowded tech options.
Every time I hear him talking about price / performance , I say to myself "thats how I would explain it if I had his knowledge", greetings from Argentina nice videos.
Notepad and MS-Paint are my favorite day-to-day tools too in 2022. You rock man!
Long live the 10900k… looks like we are getting close to that 10900k/4090 video finally 🙌🏻
Great video! I honestly think of I went DDR4 B-Die, 13900K I would keep that System for at least 6 years no Question. It does everything I need it to do from Emulation to Raster Gaming. Even if I decided to jump into content creation I have hella cores to assist with that. Doesn't seem like a bad proposition honestly.
@@johnhughes9766 Something's odd. Could be a terrible IMC or terrible motherboard or MB BIOS. I've had 2 B-die 3600 16-16-16-36 1.35v kits. One was 2x 8GB Trident Z and the other (my current) is 2x 16GB Trident Z Royal. Neither could overclock past their stock 3600 MHz. I even threw up to 1.55v at them. I loosened all the timings like crazy down to even CL24. I still couldn't go past stock 3600, not even 3733. That was with a 9700KF and Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro. I then moved to a 10900K and Gigabyte Z590 Aorus Ultra and gues what? Same story, RAM wouldn't overclock the slightest no matter what. I then moved to an 11900KF (same board)....and still no OC at all possible. I was mad and thought all this b-die stuff was just a load of crap. I then read that a ton of people had RAM OC'ing problems with Gigabyte boards so I said to myself I'll try Asus or MSI when I get my 12th gen CPU. Well, low and behold, with my MSI Z690 Edge (and 12900KS), I can OC that same 2x 16GB dual-rank b-die kit to 4200 MHz 16-16-16-32 and 4000 MHz 14-13-14-28. Something is completely messed up with Gigabyte motherboards and RAM overclocking at least from Z390 (not sure about before) - Z590. Actually, a lot of people (such as Buildzoid) even reported that they couldn't get RAM OCs on Gigabyte Z690 boards anywhere near as high as MSI and Asus Z690 boards.
@@Spinelli__ good to know, thanks
@@Spinelli__ Same here... I have better ram oc with MSI (best) -> Asus / Asrock -> Gigabyte (bullshit).
@@johnhughes9766 what board?
@@paulotakahama ironically gigabyte has been the absolute best for me
Thanks for your video, I was wondering the same thing, it answered all my questions. Most people owning the DDR5 Intel platform will never break even with basic DDR4 B-Die build lmao,
I'm one of them, since I watched all your previous videos, I knew that this would be an uphill battle with only the best cherry-picked parts reaching those speeds... I already own 4000C16 32Gb Dual Rank B-Die, But I just couldn't fathom harboring last gen equipment in my case so... it's the price of owning premium.
Dual-rank 2x 16 GB Samsung b-die kits can usually do somewhere around 4300 CL16 to 4533 MHz (CL17?) Gear 1 on Intel 14th & 13th gen and 4000 CL14 or 4200 CL16 Gear 1 on Intel 12th gen. With those 14th/13th gen speeds & timings - fully tuned: primary, secondary, tertiary, etc. - I bet it equates to somewhere around 7400-8000 MHz DDR5 gaming / real-world performance and I bet those 12th gen speeds w/ fully tuned timings equates to somewhere around 6600-7200 MHz DDR5.
Both, my DR b-die 3600 MHz 16-16-16-36 1.35 V kit and DR b-die 4400 MHz 17-18-18-38 1.5 V kit, do 4200 MHz CL16 w/ the same timings at same voltage. Just make sure to give them 1.60 V.
I'm 90% sure they have room for more and that my 12900KS's IMC is the "bottleneck" because the 4400 MHz kit can't even do it's stock XMP 4400 MHz, not even with lots of voltage (I also played with VCCSA and VDDQ, of course). I'll know soon when my 14th gen chip comes in.
I use a Cooler Master HAF 932 case - one of the coolest temp cases ever made - with upgraded fans so my RAM temps are fine but some people will have problems with 1.60 V DRAM due to heat. B-die can become unstable over 50 degrees, some say even over 45. Zap-strapping (ie. zip-tying) a fan for the RAM is a common thing for those who need the extra cooling - helps a ton, even 12+ degrees in some setups.
“that doesn’t even let you plate while sprinting”
I’m dying 😂
Yeah too much time spent learning how to tune bdie on z490 unify (thanks to this community), no chance I'm doing all that again for DDR5. Still slaps is right. A 240hz OLED is wayyyyyyyy more interesting way to blow money anytime soon.
another point is that most people probably have a 2x16 bdie kit that overclocks to at least 3800 already so all in all you could literally deduct the ddr4 price completely..
I think that fps gain probably get even lower when playing 4k+ which you probably do with a 4090.
Great info and comparison, but I have a nitpick. The system performance (fps) should be compared to the system cost (build cost). It's more like, assuming a 4090, a $3500 PC with DDR4 vs a $3850 DDR5 PC, which is a ~8% performance boost ideally for ~10% more cost. That sounds a lot more reasonable, but there are caveats that you mentioned.
TBH when I finished upgrading my build I asked myself whats the next goal realizing there are no more HW goals to chase. Now I have to deal with the fact I built way overkill machine for casually playing online games with 0 excuses for underperforming there. At least wallet gets few years to recover.
So glad to have you bro. You’re literally putting all these tubers to shame who praise ddr5 is a must.
100% agree ,people lose sens of reality with all the marketing,they dont even understand why they need the expensive parts
hi!! Last month I make a quote ("cotizar" in spanish) ddr4 4000 (2x 16GB) cost about $180-200 (now it is about $150), so I preferred to buy Gskill 6400 (HYNIX IC) about $210 and pair with 13700k and MSI Z690 Edge wifi. I am very happy, very good performance. Now I am waiting for RTX 4070 Ti or 4080 discount... Thanks.
"Doesn't even let you plate while sprinting" This is the best line in life
fuck everyone and their feelings lol I just bought 3600 cl 16 rev E tuned to 14,15,15, and does all i need lol
Spot on. Maybe there is some silicone lottery involved but with DDR5 its still a tough job getting high freq mem kits stable without spending a lot more time/$$ plus binning and tuning like you have. Bandwidth will always be better but save the disappointment when you see the latency and freq limits of that "budget" DDR5 setup bought on sale. Its funny how A-die went from unobtainium to littered on the market in the matter of a few months. RIP to early DDR5 adopters who paid too much for those green sticks. Do yourself a favor and buy returnable, put the money towards your gpu.
Give this man a podcast
I use 5800x with 2x32GB kit at 3800mhz and 16-16-19-16-21-66-4-6-16-3-6-16-554-3-3-16-8-8-4-1-4-4-1-6-6-1 with 57ns in aida64 and don't have a reason to upgrade to DDR5. It works flawless. I run my PC 24/7 and never crashes.
I'm still on the fence bc I have some really good bdie ram @3600 14 14 14 31 and I'm sure I can go higher frec no issue (over 4000 MHz) but thing is getting another 16gb of the same would cost 130 bucks so they match and not so sure about silicon lottery. So should I go extra 16gb ddr4 or should get 32gb ddr5 6000 at least?
Is 3800mhz cl14-14-12-24 @ 250 rfc good? My prime z690m will not do more in gear 1.
If screen resolutions didn’t get higher & we were still on 1080p, we would be in an era we’re choosing a ram kit will be like choosing a graphics card!
THERE it is. I told you this 4 months ago.
Tbf it depends on if you're an enthusiast. If you're just going to throw on xmp then high end ddr5 smokes ddr4 by a viable margin. Once you tune both it gets a lot closer tho. All depends what ability and amount of time people are willing to put into their system.
i just dont want it to crash 🧍♀️
got my 12900k. dont mind spending the $380 for ddr5 but how many average mother boards will do the 8000mhz gear2??? i am not looking to get an ITX board. really would like the digital number fault codes but they are not on any ddr4 boards i want. i think gigabyte makes one but i wont buy there boards.
I had a 4790k with good ddr3 and 1080ti as my main gaming PC and still today it’s the one in my room for my main gaming.
I have a office PC I built a ryzen 3700x and put a 2080ti in it for a office PC …
It’s alright but the difference between the 2 PCs is basically nothing unless I have a frame counter in top of screen.
I could of easily skipped ddr4 completely and never noticed a performance difference if I wasn’t slightly crazy and own like 6 PCs with dgpus in my house … I have built PCs whenever I found a good deal on hardware the last decade and sold them and gave them to family members… I currently have a 1650super 2060 2070 2080ti and a 1080ti I just sold my 1060 6gb and 1070 last month just becouse it was starting to get crazy the GPUs laying around I still have a couple rx580 8gb I can’t give away literally haha no one wants a Radeon card like it’s insane.
Have had Craigslist and marketplace adds for $40 and haven’t even had a offer … one kid claimed he needed it for school I told him I’d give it to him if he would come to me I wasn’t going to drive and he ghosted me for a free rx580 8gb hahahahaha the old gtx 6 series I think I still got like 3 of those in my closet to…. I was thinking about building a new Intel machine after Christmas once prices drop in February… probably go for a 13400 or 13600k … but at same time I built a 11400 build for like $200 for motherboard and cpu last month for a gaming pc for a family members kid … to me that’s probably the sweet spot right now for budget and if you get the non f chip it has Intels media engine so if they get into editing videos or decided they wanted to stream those are some very capable igpus I was shocked lately at how well Intel has done with there igpu it seems no one talks about it but it’s on par or better than Nvenc in everything I have played with it in benchmarking.
Being on the cutting edge is such a diminishing returns like the pcie 4th gen nvmes … it’s just not really worth it for most people especially if you are on a budget mindset when building.
cool story
you can tell if you play very demanding games like RUST, I had a 4690k and a gtx970 on ddr3 , then moved up to ryzen 3600 3600hz with 16-16-16 timings and a 5700xt almost doubled my frames, 5700xt is about 1080ti performance. Went from 45-60 fps to 90-120 fps
@@starkistuna yeah for sure the 4thread i5s are done they aren’t good at all anymore 4core 8thread CPUs still I can’t find a game where they are unplayable I’m sure there are some aweful unoptimized garbage games out there but for the most part 4c8t parts are still very viable for gaming setups.
Hell I think Intels most recommended budget cpu everyone online recommends is a 4c8t .
I would definitely say if building it yourself go at least 6 c12t though it would give you prob a decade of acceptable gaming performance.
The ryzen 3700 I have is excellent I built a 2700 also the year before I still have that one to.
The only thing I will say is I have had to reinstall windows fresh on both of them after like a year are just randomly due to driver instability’s like random blue screening or random restarting under load to Bluetooth and wifi drivers all a sudden just going out I had to manually update the usbc drivers to get it to connect just lil annoyances … for sure not as stable as a 8700k build I have or the i7 3770ks and 4790k I have. But they where very cheap on Black Friday when I bought Both my ryzen cpu builds and the motherboards where like $70 for a nice b450. Amd are always the budget option though for a reason at least in my lifetime that’s how it’s always been it’s very strange to see AMD be the more expensive option with there new platform of course as crazy as the word has been since 2015 hahaha nothing surprises me anymore.
my 12th gen intel will not do drr4 4000 mts gear 1 even with all the voltages related to ram turned up, will only do ddr4 3600 mts gear 1
What is the best ddr4 32gb kit to get? From my research Teamgroup is the best? I’m coming from a ddr3 system. Already have a ddr4 motherboard and i5-13600k. Just need to order new case and the ram from next check.
The teamgroup 3600cl14 kit is very solid
@@GMoneyy3000 yeah that’s the kit i went with
i have ddr4 4400 c16 , best decision i ever made
Can you do a review and possibly a overclock guide of HP's V10 which is currently $160 right now for 32GB of B-die RAM
so what ddr4 ram you suggest buying? I'm guessing G.skill but which one haha
love the thumbnail man :)
im so glad i can rely on u for information u have just made my day i am saving up for new build for a dedicated gaming pc im going intel and i already got 32g of them vipers 4000 and im going to get that mobo u mentioned im prob gonna go 13600k first for fun then maybe 13900k later on . anyway just wanted to say thanks for being honest also im a member for ur discord but ive been having trouble everytime u sent invite i would click on it and it would say invalid
If you're getting an RTX 4080-90 get the 13900k. Keep in mind even the 13900k will not be enough at certain resolutions.
looks like my ddr4 is still eating tonight
I have i9 13900k/RTX4080/128GB DDR4 3600 @ CL18 and i9 13900ks/RTX4090/128GB DDR4 3600 @ CL18 - both running gear 1 (my 128GB RAM 4000 sticks didn't play well at gear 1). Comparing my benchmarks to videos on here and I hold or exceed their numbers so have zero motivation to move to DDR5.
What kind of Auros ITX is that? I can't find any that's priced better than other Z690s.
how about ddr4 5333MHz?
I have an itx mobo inside a full tower case for my game rig lol
I'm rocking b-die 2x 16GB Trident Z Royals on my 5.3 GHz all-core 12900KS at 4200 MHz 16-16-16-32 w/ tuned subtimings (completely stable). It can also do 4000 Mhz 14-13-14-28 but that gives slightly lower overall performance even though the RAM calculator thing says 4000 CL14 is superior to 4200 CL16. Another weird thing: I cannot do 4133 CL15 or even 4100 CL15 even though I can do 4000 CL14 and 4200 CL16. Weird, huh?...My kit at default is only a 3600 16-16-16-36 @ 1.35v kit. It's not even the higher performance 3600 CL14 or CL15 kits, and that makes my RAM overclocks even more satisfying. Board is the MSI Z690 Edge. I might lower the OC down to 4000 CL14 @ 1.55v. The 4200 CL16 needs 1.59v. I know B-die is supposed to be able to handle 1.55v all day long but I'm a little concerned about 1.58v+. So far it's been 5 months and no fine though. No crash ever, not in any game, in rendering, nothing.
want a tuto about how to OC ur b-die rams step by step, got the Viper Patriot 4133mhz Cl19 and now I'm 3600 Cl 14-15-15-30, but I think It could be better.
When you compare frame rates to the systems, are you speaking in 1440 or 4K or 1080p?
so ddr4 isn't obsolete then
ITX is the way to go for DDR4, i was able to get DDR4 4933C17-17-17-28 to run in 1:1:1 with a 5700G with a cheap af Asrock Phantom Gaming ITX i think i bought it at $109, and the RAM was $89(16GB) Same board does dual rank 32GB 4600C16 but that RAM requires alot of voltage to go that high something like 1.6v
Should I wait to install my new gpu until I get new ram sticks
You made my day for calling it how it is poeple who buy the most expensive shit usually can’t slay for shit 🤣
Year or two ago I would agree, but unless someone looking now to buy PC and dont plan to upgrade CPU in next 5 years it might be better to get DDR5 othervise next cpu gen upgrade would need new CPU, MB and memory anyway. MSI is already EOL some DDR4 Z690 motherboards. Ofcourse it does not matter if you buy $300 MB+CPU+ran combo, but for expensive highend it does.
Really good analysis.
Love your vids
Does anyone happen to know what DDR4 motherboard he was talking about for $150? Considering upgrading from a 3800X to a 13600k, and i already have a kit of b die
Probably Gigabyte Z690i Aorus Ultra Lite DDR4. I have one with b-die and a 12700k @5.2 all-core… great value board if you don’t mind PCIE 3.0 GPU slot and a little quirkiness during setup.
@@joulesverne6431 yea that's the one. Unfortunately it's only available for $300 right now from what I've been seeing
@@Koshmar-13 Yeah, I just found out the latest BIOS supposedly fixed the errors that made them downgrade the board to PCIE 3. Makes me wonder if Gigabyte patched them and is only selling the more expensive version now. :\
If I already have a kit of Samsung B-die at 4400, what kind of a DDR5 what I need to be better than that? My main games are Warzone 2, and Spider-Man with Ray tracing 😂
What about ddr4 in 2023, for 5700x@4.7ghz all c. Vipers 32gb 160$...
Running 12900k with 3733cl14 Bdie. Might last me till DDR6? I usually look for 5year upgrade cycle. But GPU upgrade every gen to best tier.
I repeat my question since it seems way more relevant here and may be relevant to some of you as well:
I was on a MSI Z690 Pro A DDR4 MoBo with CL 19 Vipers running 4000 MHz XMP: 15 seconds bios screen time - no problem.
Since I switched to a 13900k the system does not post when I activate the 4000 MHz XMP profile 1.
Some MSI-automation kicks in though and asks me to raise the CPU clock to match XMP-profile 2 with funky timings and a 3789 MHz clock or something weird like that.
What is going on here? I have 4x 8GB Vipers installed - after I watched some of the older DDR4 overclock RUclipss on Frame Chasers I had the idea to try just two sticks on second and fourth slot as my last resort.
Will I get my 4000 CL19 back with a manual "overclock" or should I not bother?
Thank you in advance to whoever of you wonderful beings may decide to share their wisdom with me.
Have you updated the bios to the latest version? Also you don't actually say if going 2x8 did anything for xmp stability.
@@dimitry7182 Thank You for answering ^^ Yes: I updated my bios prior to switching the CPUs and did one recently, I longed to restore what I paid for and hammered the MSI center every week for another update.
Sorry, but I was out of town for work, just now removed the 2 sticks. Aaaand it posted with 4000 MHz / 19-19-19-39. Have to test it and will tonight.
TL:DR: DO NOT use
- 4x Viper sticks 1,35V 19-19-19 &
- 13900
on a MSI Z690 PRO A DDR4: booting up fried my Win11 and only posted with XMP2 profile after a fresh WIN10 install.
@@kenigsweg there's a chance you might just have to set a couple of things to manual settings in order to make it post with 4 sticks at 4000mhz, given that it does post at that with just 2 sticks. 4 sticks is quite a lot harder on the memory controller. Unless your cpu is a really bad bin it should do 4000mhz dual rank (and running four 8gb sticks would be dual rank). I have my 13700k running stable at 4133mhz 16-15-14-26. Try changing a couple of settings. First enable XMP profile 1 (do not restart the pc at this point) and then set Memory Fast Boot to Disabled (you can re-enable it once done with testing and you know everything is stable), DRAM reference clock to 100, cpu imc : dram clock to Gear1, DRAM frequency to 40 (4000mhz), CPU SA voltage to 1.35v (don't go any higher than that), CPU VDDQ to 1.3v and DRAM voltage to 1.45v. These are all safe voltages and settings to run without any sort of exotic cooling. If none of this works then try lowering DRAM frequency to 38 (3800mhz) and keep the rest of the settings. Do a RAM test when done, use TestMem5.
@@dimitry7182 Thank you very much.
I see - so 19-19-19 is only a quality identifier - when I get one, the following applies: the tighter the timings the better?
So you have a Viper 4000Mhz 1,35V CL19 yourself and I can just copy your settings (if my CPU holds up)? Or did you infer the values?
@@kenigsweg I have an entirely different kit of ram but it's also b-die and instead of 4 sticks of 8gb each I have 2 sticks of 16gb. Pretty much the same configuration as you. I have manually overclocked mine to 4133 as they come in at 3600mhz 16-16-16-36 out of the box, but at only 1.35v. Yes usually the lower the number on the timings the better but with ram it really is just finding the balance between bandwidth (speed in mhz) and latency. And the primary latency numbers (in your case 19-19-19-39) are only that - primary. They actually do not matter as much as secondary and some tertiary timings. If you follow the steps I outlined, after the "First enable XMP profile 1" part then yes, you should be able to post with that kit of ram, if not at 4000mhz then at 3800mhz. If you need further help I'd suggest bringing this out of youtube comments as I can only help so much here. If you want to you can give me some sort of account that you're comfortable with sharing and I can help you out further. Discord would be fine with me.
ALWAYS BANG FOR BUCK, but I still want my 4k 144fps setup.
Damn that not plating and sprinting really hurts
I was able to oc my memory to 3600mhz with 14-14-14-28 so I hope this os pretty good like for ddr4.
When playing New World with my 10900k my gpu usage drops when in the city. Going to 13900k my gpu usage sticks to 100% usage when it is he city. That’s with the same b-die ddr4 ram and 3080 TI graphics card at 4K.
I can definitely see the difference moving to 13th gen from 10th.
yep MMO players benefit a lot from cpu upgrades
@@bios9678 Nah, 10900K wasn't that impressive when it came out. i7-12700K meanwhile IS indeed cope like 2600K, finally not a meh i7.
doing the same going from 10900k to 13900k have cl17 ddr4400, can't wait the 13900k should arrive in few days
Man I'm still rocking DD2 @1600mhz OC'd over here. Going for z690 \ DDR4 hopefully is gonna last me until DDR8 comes out. Haha.
What Z690 mobo and CPU? And first of all, what kit?
@@iamrubinot42 The Asus ROG Strix z790-a Gaming. Even though its a z790 chipset this board uses ddr4. I haven't decided on the ram kit yet but it can support up to 5333mhz oc'd.
Nice. Thanks
HaHaHa Assuming you have a 4090 i love your shit lol
I’m thinking the 3D VCache Ryzen CPUs will smoke anything that Raptor lake offers at 6000mhz. High end DDR5 with those parts is unecessary just like the 5800x3D. AM5 is a better platform going forward as well
yeah 3d is at least going to bring 20% extra to table for only $150 -$200 above current pricing
A bit offtopic, man whats wrong with your monitor gamma/color settings in this video? whenever you open notepad/web browser, my monitor becomes the sun and i dont like sun🤓
DDR4 vs DDR5 lolz war zone runs better on consoles optimization matters
Just bought the crosshair am5 mAtx for 700€ and 64gb 6000MHz for 500€. That's 1200€ or just a few years ago 2400$. ;_;
Serious question does ram speed really matter if I play mainly in 4k. ?
Dont think so. Because at that resolution your gpu is the bottleneck.
@@Skynet_11 ok that's what I thought. Just making sure
There are not many 4k monitors either.
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 I game on a OLED Tv. But you are right, for monitors 1440p is the sweet spot.
I use ddr4 with 13900k but ONLY bc i move from 9900k and i stick with my 32 gb ram. So I change only board and cpu.
How much was the performance jump?
@@JagsP95 OMG, so hugeeeee. I mean in CPU demending scene. Even with GPU demending game. I have 3080Ti and with heavy RT games (like cyberounk) sometimes I have fps drop, but i was asume it is bc GPU.- BUT NOT!. when I change CPU drop fps in RT games gone!. RT effects is heavy not only for gpou but for CPU too. AND gone all of my microsutterineg in Apex Legends. Apex now is just so smoooth even with my not that good internet. Not just raw fps counts. Responsiveness, feeling, smooothens etc is sooo much better. And now i dont need close my all app in background to play, i play cyberpunk with tones of chrome tab open in background and CPU dont care. Awesome.
6400c32 kit is 32gb for $219
i run that kit 7200c32
THAT is best value ddr5
A frame chaser gets to warzone to validate his demons or a warzone player gets into frame chasing because of the performance?
I’d be cheaper just to hack on mw2. Instead of spending that much money an still win tournaments
finally someone who is telling the truth
🏆
best ram kit for a dark hero mobo? 5900x dont care for rgb.
I have ddr 4 and 5 rig difrence in fps warzone 15fps and 3 to 7 difrence in low
My DDR4 4800 gear 2 feels better than DDR4 4000/4266 gear 1 and DDR5 6000. I don't care about synthetic numbers and only care about how game feels. I will test DDR5 7200/8000 when 2 dimm boards are available.
There are 2 dimm boards available? Z690 Unify-X for a “cheaper” one
Now I got z790 apex. DDR5 7600 XMP with basic tuning already feels better than DDR4 4800. So I guess DDR5 is indeed better but don’t avoid high frequency gear 2 DDR4.
@@iceboy1170 yeah ddr4 gear 2 is pointless. Better off tightening & going as far as possible in gear1. But I still find ddr4 is by far more stable & easier to tune. Enjoy the DDR5 tho! Its beastly for workloads.
im still on ddr3 lol, its on x79 so quad channel memory tho.
ddr5 vs ddr4 gaming benchmarks very unimpressive differences
great video
I'm running 13900k / strix d4 z790 32gb ddr4 @ 4,300 MHz 15-16-16-36 @1.58v
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I tied with sugi lovers 6 GHz 13900k and ddr5 8000 MHz cl 32 in csgo benchmark he got 1005 fps I got 1008. to 1010 fps same 13900k @ 6 GHz ht off e off 51 ring
I'm keeping up with 8000+ ddr5
I'm staying on ddr4
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I ran 4,300 cl 15 ddr4 gear 1 passed tm5 absolute and y cru cher ect
ran 6 GHz e cores off ht off and scored 1047 fps average in csgo benchmark. the 4400 cl 16 gear 1 I ran was about 15 fps slower vs 4300 c15 gear 1 . same sub timings
What ddr4 kit are you using I’m running the same set up
@@waltup369er5 g.skill trident z RGB 4,400 MHz cl 17-18-18-38 xmp 32gb kit
@ 4,300 cl 15-16-16-36 /282 trfc
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How are you cooling the ram? What VCCSA and VDDQ?
@@chesimpson 92mm noctua fans stacked on each other son2 of them blowing on the dimms never goes above 37c under full load 12 hrs .
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@@ProfileUserNumber 399$ cad
2:47 - Wow, you graphs are amazing, HBU could learn something from you.
Absurd arguments, this metodology comparing ddr4 cheap itx board to expensive ddr5 is a waste, try wider spectrum of games instead of just one, and to ensure i know all the results and price differences i’ve just finished 6 builds with ddr5 which are monster fps machines paired with Strix 4090. Investing in ddr4 now having cheapo 6600/6800 is stupid.
does ddr5 make csgo run better?
If you're building new rig now you go for DDR5 even if you end up with slower RAM, period. Ram speed is also becoming less and less important with bigger CPU caches. CPU's are dropping DDR4 support and then you end up in a situation if you want to upgrade you have to change 3 components instead of 1. Not to speak if you get a malfunction you have to rely on 2nd hand market parts
This exactly
If you building right now u will most likely go Intel, so you will be replacing the board next upgrade... And if I pick the cheapest DDR 5 board and cheapest DDR 5 memory (4800MHz) it's still like 70€ extra for NO performance gain. And idk how much of a future proofing that is cuz you will be able to buy way faster ram with way lower latency for pretty much the same money. Unless you building the absolute best or going for the AMD 3d chips (you gonna wait like 2 months and it might dip like crazy again so you will just go back to Intel...) where the ram speed is totally useless (AMD 3d chips) just with DDR 4.
@1982 Original exactly
@1982 Original there is more than intel in the market, also DDR5 will still get refined and if it doesn't at least you already have a RAM you can put in a new system if needed
@@ruisilva4317 You are correct. Especially if more GPU bound the choice of DDR5 vs DDR4 is less of an issue. makes more sense to invest in the newer memory as it will serve you for longer
Funny at all these boomers spending $5k of top of the line pc gaming rig with ddr5 and a 4090 getting slapped by timmy and jacob with their 2 year old xbox and ps5 consoles.
Lolololo 😂
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It’s doesn’t “feel” good to say you’re on a 10900K in 2022 😅 jk
Back in the day saying you were on a 2600k for the 8th year was a status symbol. The older the hardware, the more gangster you were
@@FrameChasers You....are...not...lying. marketing has gotten as good as the phones. Somehow, new iPhone stays sold out EVERY year
@Jesus is Lord no the decade king was the 4790k
@Jesus is Lord I can dig with that
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the only reason not to use DDR5 is the price
only ddr5 7200MHz+ wins ddr4, but the price is too high as of 2022
Only when you are comparing overclocks or use XMP.
I bought DDR5 because i don't want to tune DDR4 for higher bandwidth (despite latency being lower) and having the risk of damaging the CPU and i don't go beyond JEDEC.
@@saricubra2867 as long as you can run smoothly on stress test, OC the RAMs won't damage CPU...
@@seanchu9139 It can damage CPUs because you are increasing voltages that can ruin the memory controller. I hope RAM undervolting is a thing so i can increase the clocks without damaging something. I took my i7-12700K and overclocked it to 5GHz for many p-cores with -120mv or without increasing voltages with a 3-6% singlethread improvement.
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second!