20 turn fully developed spin in a Robin aircraft
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2016
- This is my first ever spin in an aircraft, during emergency manoeuvre training with an aerobatic instructor.
I had never seen more than an incipient spin.
We entered the spin at around 6700 feet, commenced recovery via the Beggs-Mueller method at around 4500 feet, and levelled out at around 3200 feet. 
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I got drunk once and spun the room like that. Only lost about 6 feet in altitude though.
😂 hilarious bro.
@Max Alfonso fuck off
@@nategraham8883 bot or something, i see this comment pretty frequently
Only six! After my spin I woke up in the basement.
@@Karl__Pierre got to work on that recovery!
You can tell he's an excellent instructor. Having a conversation, telling him to look at the indicators, and having him put his hands on the dash probably doubled his confidence in the airplane
He could only be a cooler cucumber if he pulled out his phone and ordered a pizza.
Skillful pilot by the excellent instructor 👌
"Yeah I'd like a large pepperoni. Do you deliver to 3200 feet?"
Been flying a lot of years with many instructors this guy is a keeper someday this might come in handy or his young student.
Can’t do that under instruction in UK but already read how to handle it.
from no spin experience to a one with 20 rotations, damn!
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Instal toilet roll.
I want a toilet bowl that makes airplane sounds now.
You know you've won the confidence and admiration of your student when you demonstrate a maneuver and he utters, "Fockin 'ell," followed by a "fock maaeee!" Nicely done!
@authorization batman lol wtf is your deal? Go get a life
@authorization batman being quite the hypocrit with that comment
@authorization batman youtube comment sections…
Fuckin psycho.... SHEEEESH
@authorization batman you oneth bruh cuss your reply made no sense to everyone else your in your own little world bro 🤣🤣🤣
Wow, I am sure the student was thinking, can I trust this instructor?
especially when he says let go of the stick heh.
Apart from "Here comes my breakfast" you mean?
Yes, I can so relate to this. I had my first stall recovery training lesson yesterday and that exact same thing was going through my head.
The best demonstration I ever got in my primary training was the spin. There are those who can deal with them and those who bore holes in the ground.
Great instruction from a very comfortable and competent instructor. This student will know how to exactly get into and out of spins safely.
its ridiculous how calm that instructor is, he is sitting like he is in his livingroom
I wish every teacher is as good as that flight instructor. Calm, professional, knows what he's doing, and neat. Just awesome
Lol I like the part were he says “this is scaring me”
You caught that too lol...
0:46 *FAAAKIN HELL* 🤣
how to learn finnish in one minute?
Wow. One cool instructor. I want to learn spin recovery from you
Just imagine happening to notice the plane enter into the spin as a bystander on the ground. You'd be freaking out trying to get attention of other people, and by the time they see it he'd have corrected from the spin and you'd look like a crazy person.
Most countries this is not a requirement part of a test. It should be.
it is in canada still and it's a good thing
Absolutely it should be, in many not even a real stall is not required unfortunately, just until the horn goes off and then recover....Life saving experience stall and spin training!
Mergg Firts of all nobody got killed by getting training for a spin that is a totally bs statement.
Its another maneuver that can be conducted safely if taught be someone that knows it.
Secondly if you refer to FAA CFIs they dont have to demonstrate it anywhere they just get the training for it.
Mergg ok “buddy” relax you are not the only FAA CFI in the house.
Since you are a cfi did you demonstrated to a DPE any spin or just trained in an aerobatic aircraft with an instructor for spins?
I know exactly what i m talking about and i m careful with my wording.
Mergg so you tell me that even stall training is forbiden or per FAA???? You recover with your students just when horn sounds or you get the buffeting?????
Thats exactly what kills future pilots that they never experience in the body a real stall.
Regarding both the real stall and spin training are life saviors and even though spin is not required for the non cfi certs I always recomended the extra training with an aerobatic instructor for the spin to my students.
"You won't get that anywhere else..". Every person learning to fly damn well should. Most deaths in piloting aviation come from the ever tested and undeniable chain of.. Stall, spin, crash, burn, die. Everybody will stall it at some point and stall it again, so you would do VERY well to take advantage of an excellent instructor like this and experience it and practice recovery from it, taking away the debilitating fear and replacing it with the confidence of successful management and recovery method. This brings back memories.. and a HUGE smile.
Accidents in spins never really happen. It is very uncommon. Also, most training locations that are 141 approved require the instructor to teach spins and students to learn to spin and recover. The only accidents I can recall being specifically from spins are multi engine planes and planes not rated to do spins in because of poor recovery characteristics. In that instance, it’s hard to blame poor pilot recovery when the plane just isn’t able to recover nicely.
Thats the most awesome video of the spin recovery on the internet! I want this flight instructor!
It's like you guys had a whole casual conversation while in a spin that instructor must have done a lot
Spin recovery lesson was spot on. Some pilots might read about how to do it in text but apply the pressure they don’t always remember what they read. This pilot will remember how to do it calmly and efficiently if not instantaneous after remembering this moment with the instructor
It's amazing how fast the airspeed climbs as soon as the spin is stopped.
Yes, the airspeed resumes indicating once ram air re-pressurizes the pitot tube upon re-entering stabilized flight. The descent rate is accurate the entire time.
Yeah if pull back was late, it would be horrible because of gravity
Not amazing, just a dive... #ThatGravityThaaaang!
This CFI is rockin' it. That lesson takes a lot of the mystery, fear, and anxiety out of stall training. That's a lot for the student to absorb right there in the moment, and you can see how he's overloaded throughout most of it, but that is a straightforward approach, no pun intended, to demystifying the whole thing. Well done!
I wish they had a video of that from the ground or another airplane! Love how they're just having a conversation while in a spin losing altitude with the engine off! Good on ya mates!
Ye, that hit me as well. The plane was literally plummeting towards the earth and they had a full blown calm conversation.
The engine itself is on. The propeller is disconnected from it. Basically like a gear box or transmission I think. That’s why it restarted so fast
The engine was always on, just idling. You are seeing it "stop" due to camera shutter frequency. And no, prop doesn't disconnect from the crankshaft.
This instructor is an absolute legend. Incredible at keeping his voice and movements so calm in a controlled yet chaotic situation.
He is just doing his job. Why would he be a legend?
I love how in the background all I hear is "Sunshine coast terminal information D...(then the rest of the ATIS)" What an amazing place to do spin training!
When I learned to Fly, over 50 years ago, Spin Training was NOT a requirement for your Pilot Certificate.
BUT, I insisted on it!
The younger CFI's all refused to train spins. So I had to seek out an "Old Timer"! He was happy to help. And was very impressed that I had also insisted that all of my training for my Private Certificate be conducted in Taildragger aircraft! 😉
You want a cookie?
@@mathieuclement8011 dude let the man flex. He's like 70 years old
@@mathieuclement8011 why the hostility? the guy was just sharing an interesting life experience.
I assume this story is from the US. CFI's are mostly young and not too experienced themselves while on their journey to the airlines. One of these types of guys would likely kill you while "demonstrating"
You sir are a beast!!! I literately learned the meaning of a tail dragged just yesterday. It really did help you understand that a ain’t nothing like a car. Winds aerodynamic forces, just amazing.
Impressive! Would you be okay with me featuring this in an episode of Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description.
Love your videos, this would be an amazing addition to it aswell!
No probs. Call out if you have any questions about it. Cheers,
Where was this?
@@SimonTekConley Sunshine Coast, Australia
Luckily nobody was injured.
"now push the rudder PUSH PUSH PUSH PUSH PUSH!!!" love the tone of the instructor!🤣
a spin recovery capable pilot is born.
I'm glad someone else heard it. He was like push the fucking rudder! That's insane.
@@wt5284 he sounded like that because of the positive g forces he was experiencing from stopping the spin and pulling out of it. Also straining his leg as the student wasn't pushing hard enough
I had the honour of being shown some aerobatics in a Robin Alpha by an instructor, a very unassuming man. I asked him where he learnt to do that and he told me he had been a Hurricane pilot during the war. There were still a few about then but now I realise what a great momment. Came and went as they all do.
That altitude indicator was spinning!
It’s diaphragm was probably about to explode
They would have crashed in less than a half minutes if doing nothing.
Fantastic! It's great to see this, as it is so close to my own experience, and because no-one EVER believes me when I tell them, so it's wonderful to see video proof that it can be done. My own experience was: 1) It was my first ever spin; 2) It was in a Robin 2160; 3) my instructor offered me a mint as we span; 4) our engine also stopped 5) we entered the spin at 8000' and 6) we did 22 turns. Looks like we both had very good instructors! When did you do this, Cory?
How much altitude did you lose?
@AwakeAmericanow. What most light aircraft do is irrelevant; the plane in question is a Robin 2160. As you can see, the aircraft above lost 2200 feet in 20 turns, so about 110 feet per turn.
@@d.n.3652 Hi DN. I've no idea how much altitude I lost; it was about twenty years ago and that detail is now well beyond my memory. It was a very busy lesson; we did several more spins, some basic aerobatics (my first ever) and practised operating in the circuit and approach to landing without using the control column.
@AwakeAmericanow. As you say - it doesn't make much difference. The "industry standard" is irrelevant when we are talking about a specific aircraft - the Robin 2160. What matters when talking about the performance of the Robin 2160 is the performance of the Robin 2160.
whats the point behind giving u the mint lol
“ you’re starting to scare me” I’m dying 😂
Colin is an expectional instructor! what an epic video.
Great instruction! Super calm, great rapport, terrific CFI.
Just starting toward my PPL recently. I'm fully committed to taking everything I learn seriously and putting the effort in. That being said: I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking forward to these recovery lessons! I'm going to have a blast!
Great demonstration! Thank you
That's insane. Wonderful demo of the effects and recovery. I went through part 61 flight training after they removed the spin training requirement, but this looks really fun.
Damn, never knew they removed it. Our school taught us anyway, but not to this extent we were only allowed 3 full rotations before recovery, would've loved to be doing 20 rotation spins every flight rather than 3 hour navs hahaha
Highly impressive calmness, this is a man you want in a pinch.
Excellent video. Magnificent instructor..
"it's not possible instructor!"
"no it's necessary"
love his reaction
You’re scaring me! Priceless.
Him: "you're scaring me"
Other him: "I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night."
Best video on RUclips, this is real flying!
Imagine sitting there spinning like a merry go round and the instructor is calm as a cucumber asking if you're stable.
Perfectly executed recovery! Beautyful!
That was a perfect spin.
This is such a awesome video everyone flying should get to experience this with a good CFI mistakes happen and every year people die due to incorrect technique 👍
I can’t help but notice your name dc next to 10 months and 10 likes lol. You fly a dc-10? 🤣
This student’s remarks are spot on! A great summary.
Half way through... This is scaring me LOL.
Absolute skill.... And Balls.
I can feel it in his voice. He is a great instructor
A very critical teaching moment between these two.
I have tons of respect for an instructor willing to conduct this kind of training and the pilot who voluntarily signs up for it. I did spin training as a pre-requisite for my CFI certificate. To be honest, this particular video I'm conflicted on. The instruction was great and instructor was insanely good, but what exactly is the purpose in letting the spin go that long? Two spins and my neck muscles tensed up so much I needed a chiropractor.
Fritoz I hear what you’re saying. And agree. I’m a certified flying instructor myself, and the student in this video.
“Incipient spin training” is required to be a certified flying instructor in Australia, but there’s no requirement to ever see a fully developed spin.
The spin has phases. And if you’re interested in seeing them, you need to let it wind up. Only after about 5 or 6 rotations, the airspeed stabilizes and the spin is known as “fully developed”, it’s at this point that we begin recovery.
Although I probably don’t get the rudder in as fast or deliberate as I should have, we actually being recovery of this spin as soon it becomes fully developed, so we’re not really letting it wind up for no purpose.
The key I’d like to add is, my brother actually bought me this flight as an “aerobatic joy flight experience”, the instructor here is a professional aerobatic pilot, and does this work as a side line. But rather than getting myself sick for no good reason, I asked the school if I could take the flight as Emergency Maneuver Training instead - far more practical.
So, to answer your question, he didn’t “need” to let it wind up, but the purpose of the flight was to see and learn recovery from a “fully developed, stabilized spin”. Not just a couple of rotations like we do in instructor training 👍🏻
Dunno about the chiropractor, I found the spin quite mild to other stuff we did in the flight. The “falling leaf” was far far more violent, though I was more worried about the plane breaking than my neck, from memory.
@@coryjeacocke Cory, this is very interesting. I did my 22-turn spin in a Robin 2160 as part of a four-hour, four-flight course called "EMCC" or Emergency Manoeuvres and Confidence Course". We too did falling leaf in the first hour. Sounds like someone has taken somebody else's idea for a course - nothing wrong with that! Mine was in Long Beach, Calif.
Darius The Persian that’s very interesting... I wonder if this is pretty standard aerobatic stuff, or are both our courses related somehow?
@@coryjeacocke I think there has to be a connection - they sound very similar. The club I took my course at had their syllabus up on their web-site, so it would have been easy to copy. Your lesson above is incredibly similar to mine, including hands off the control column and hands on the dash. Or maybe your instructor and mine both copied from someone else, although my club had photos up of the guy the said developed the course for them. Quite a few American ex-military at my club. Fab suite of aircraft, too. Three Robin 2160s; a Pitts Special, Extra 300, Great Lakes, T-34. I went up in them all. Loads of fun!
@@coryjeacocke Thanks for the additional context. Fly safe!
I went thru this part in my private pilot course and one thing I suggest is DO NOT eat 3 hours prior. Trust me. Man I miss flying.
I’ve always wondered if doing this makes you feel ill like a rollercoaster
Try your best and get back into the air. Flying is awesome.
@@mattsains It honestly isn't that bad....
Great to see extended footage of a developed spin. In flight training in the US, the FAA docs stress that spins can cause loss of altitude of 1,000’ _per rotation_. In this video, you can see that the aircraft is losing only about 200’ per rotation... if even that much. Additionally, I’m not sure which instrument I feel worse for, the DG spinning its little heart out or the turn coordinator and VSI trying to snap the ends off of their indicators.
Always funny when you come out of a spin and the poor AI has tumbled and has to right itself over the next few minutes XD
The altitude loss depends on the aircraft. Always start high! A better recovery technique is to also push the stick forwards; not all aircraft will recover with rudder alone.
@@paradoxicalcat7173 dont rush the 'stick forwards' in a Robin... slows the recovery, rather than aids it.
Thanks. A most informative high impact clip. The same mantra impated: That if you continue to induce the spin by persistent rearward pressure on the control column, the aircraft will just continue spinning. Gently letting go without opposite rudder is a reliable first stage for recovery, but that alone is usually just attempting to flog a dead horse. Applying full opposite rudder during the second stage will. This demonstrates the visible difference between a spin and a fully developed stall spiral dive, where letting go of the control column (and hence correcting any inappropriate elevator or aileron input) may well initially sort the FDS condition out. My belief is that student pilots looking to obtain full PPL should at least be given an introduction to the spin condition and recovery procedure, even if it is simply demonstrated or "pattered" through by a qualified aerobatic instructor during the advanced stages of training. And of course, in an aircraft certificated as being an aerobatic category aircraft (as opposed to utility category).
Amazing instructor and amazing student. Kept his cool the entire spin so much better than I would have
Best instructor ever!
Best spin recovery instruction
Things like this make me want to start my flight lessons sooner, I'm just in the middle of the ground course.
That instructor was as calm as if he was in a simulator and not an actual plane...
damn what a badass instructor
man thats a good instructor. I am truly having a bad time with instructors... Good job with this by the way mate
The accent is perfect for the situation
This is the best spin training video ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0:45 Sums it all up. Great recovery and Instructor.
I felt that "Falking hell..." deep in my bones. Had the same in my first spin
Amazing 🤩
Didn't experience a spin & recovery before.
Loooooovely !
I live the Robin aircrafts !
Excellent job.
Probably already said, but a wonderful example of a Muller Beggs recovery. Watch the stick go forward and into the rotation as opposite rudder is applied.
EXCELLENT training. He needs to do it again, till he's comfortable and does not require input from the instructor.
Insane. What level in life does a person have to be to do something like this!
Dude, that's fkn insane. Thanks for sharing.
That's 1 hell of a knowledge!
Good instructor.
Navy Memphis flying club 1969, standard non-aerobatic C150s. Spin recovery was demonstrated in one of the early lessons. Not nearly as many turns or as much altitude loss as seen here! If a student (me) did something in later training that approached a spin, the instructor would calmly wait for the student to recover - if at a safe altitude, of course.
Its fascinating to methat the recovery procedure is so simple but very specific and easy to get wrong in the stress of the moment.
❤👍😊 All about mastering the aircraft and getting to know it so well that it's almost part of you. Wonderful. Because that makes the difference when it counts.
I am gonna fly 2 sorties of upset recovery training tomorrow and I am here to see what I am gonna experience. This is really sick!
Spins don’t look like anything I ever imagined. From inside, the airplane looks like it is rolling about the longitudinal axis. I always imagined it spinning more around the yaw axis. The guy is right, F*** Me!
Badass instructor.
this has become a family classic
Great recovery lads
I love how the instructor makes you just sit there and ride it instead of fixing it right away.
holy. that was amazing
Super spinning
I trust anyone with an Australian accent; but this instructor, who puts my life on the line to prove a point, I trust extremely well.
They are British, not Australian.
Close but the instructor is a Brit, Colin Appleton, however the student is not and the lesson took place in Queensland, Australia.
Not really putting life on the line. The instructor knows how to get out of the spin so can step in if it is necessary. He certainly isn't being careless with the student's life.
I wonder why this video never got a million views, very few of them done to this perfection, do it again Sir, please.
Ah yes, the first experience of a spin. Love the guys expression lol.
im probably never going to fly a plane by myself, but will always remember this video in case theres an emergency if i ever am in one.
If you really love flying you gotta love this maneuver and the exercise to learning it. It’s like a rite of passage.
No I haven’t done it in person the most I’ve done is taxi, take off and practice banking.
Omg that was insane !!!
True story... I was an O-1 Bird Dog pilot in Vietnam and regularly did normal spins for the fun of it. I'd sometimes engage in mock dog fights with other aircraft. I was in one with a friendly AH-1Cobra pilot who was closing in from behind me at about 5,000 ft AGL. I initiated a spin by chopping the throttle, rapidly nosing up, kicking the rudder over and entering a spin that I recovered from near the ground. The Cobra pilot laughed over the radio and said "I give up!" It's sad that spin recovery is not normally taught any more.
very nice ! 👏👏👏 that s an INSTRUCTOR
Amazing
That was nuts.
"You spin me right round baby right round like a record baby"
Seen and approved!
Soooo Australian! love the reaction!
This is a good way to prank your friends.
Really cool fight instructor
This is extremely critical training to do....you never want your first time experiencing this outside of book training to be a real life failure.
Terrifying...
Props to the instructor for keeping cool.