You can tell he's an excellent instructor. Having a conversation, telling him to look at the indicators, and having him put his hands on the dash probably doubled his confidence in the airplane
You know you've won the confidence and admiration of your student when you demonstrate a maneuver and he utters, "Fockin 'ell," followed by a "fock maaeee!" Nicely done!
This CFI is rockin' it. That lesson takes a lot of the mystery, fear, and anxiety out of stall training. That's a lot for the student to absorb right there in the moment, and you can see how he's overloaded throughout most of it, but that is a straightforward approach, no pun intended, to demystifying the whole thing. Well done!
Just imagine happening to notice the plane enter into the spin as a bystander on the ground. You'd be freaking out trying to get attention of other people, and by the time they see it he'd have corrected from the spin and you'd look like a crazy person.
For real I'd probably think you were crazy if I didn't see it for myself but damn that instructor deserves a raise 👌 I don't think I'd trust anyone else to teach me how to fly after seeing that video
Spin recovery lesson was spot on. Some pilots might read about how to do it in text but apply the pressure they don’t always remember what they read. This pilot will remember how to do it calmly and efficiently if not instantaneous after remembering this moment with the instructor
Absolutely it should be, in many not even a real stall is not required unfortunately, just until the horn goes off and then recover....Life saving experience stall and spin training!
Mergg Firts of all nobody got killed by getting training for a spin that is a totally bs statement. Its another maneuver that can be conducted safely if taught be someone that knows it. Secondly if you refer to FAA CFIs they dont have to demonstrate it anywhere they just get the training for it.
Mergg ok “buddy” relax you are not the only FAA CFI in the house. Since you are a cfi did you demonstrated to a DPE any spin or just trained in an aerobatic aircraft with an instructor for spins? I know exactly what i m talking about and i m careful with my wording.
Mergg so you tell me that even stall training is forbiden or per FAA???? You recover with your students just when horn sounds or you get the buffeting????? Thats exactly what kills future pilots that they never experience in the body a real stall. Regarding both the real stall and spin training are life saviors and even though spin is not required for the non cfi certs I always recomended the extra training with an aerobatic instructor for the spin to my students.
I wish they had a video of that from the ground or another airplane! Love how they're just having a conversation while in a spin losing altitude with the engine off! Good on ya mates!
@@aparfeno The engine was 100% off during the spin. The mixture (the knob the instructor had his left hand on) was pulled all the way out, intentionally starving the engine of fuel until they recovered. That is actually how you shut off an engine in a piston aircraft. Additionally, the RPM gauge (big gauge on the top-right) was at 0 for the duration of the spin, and the engine started up again as soon as he re-introduced fuel with the mixture.
"You won't get that anywhere else..". Every person learning to fly damn well should. Most deaths in piloting aviation come from the ever tested and undeniable chain of.. Stall, spin, crash, burn, die. Everybody will stall it at some point and stall it again, so you would do VERY well to take advantage of an excellent instructor like this and experience it and practice recovery from it, taking away the debilitating fear and replacing it with the confidence of successful management and recovery method. This brings back memories.. and a HUGE smile.
Accidents in spins never really happen. It is very uncommon. Also, most training locations that are 141 approved require the instructor to teach spins and students to learn to spin and recover. The only accidents I can recall being specifically from spins are multi engine planes and planes not rated to do spins in because of poor recovery characteristics. In that instance, it’s hard to blame poor pilot recovery when the plane just isn’t able to recover nicely.
Yes, the airspeed resumes indicating once ram air re-pressurizes the pitot tube upon re-entering stabilized flight. The descent rate is accurate the entire time.
I did spin training in a C-152 Aerobat. The first couple were very frightening and after 70 hours of spin avoidance psychological training it was also mentally challenging. I’m so impressed with your calm and focus! Well done!!
I had the honour of being shown some aerobatics in a Robin Alpha by an instructor, a very unassuming man. I asked him where he learnt to do that and he told me he had been a Hurricane pilot during the war. There were still a few about then but now I realise what a great momment. Came and went as they all do.
When I learned to Fly, over 50 years ago, Spin Training was NOT a requirement for your Pilot Certificate. BUT, I insisted on it! The younger CFI's all refused to train spins. So I had to seek out an "Old Timer"! He was happy to help. And was very impressed that I had also insisted that all of my training for my Private Certificate be conducted in Taildragger aircraft! 😉
I assume this story is from the US. CFI's are mostly young and not too experienced themselves while on their journey to the airlines. One of these types of guys would likely kill you while "demonstrating"
You sir are a beast!!! I literately learned the meaning of a tail dragged just yesterday. It really did help you understand that a ain’t nothing like a car. Winds aerodynamic forces, just amazing.
@@wt5284 he sounded like that because of the positive g forces he was experiencing from stopping the spin and pulling out of it. Also straining his leg as the student wasn't pushing hard enough
That's insane. Wonderful demo of the effects and recovery. I went through part 61 flight training after they removed the spin training requirement, but this looks really fun.
Damn, never knew they removed it. Our school taught us anyway, but not to this extent we were only allowed 3 full rotations before recovery, would've loved to be doing 20 rotation spins every flight rather than 3 hour navs hahaha
Unless you have been in a spinning aircraft you have no idea of the sensation. The spin itself is crazy enough but falling out of the sky at the same time is something that you can't begin to describe.
Just starting toward my PPL recently. I'm fully committed to taking everything I learn seriously and putting the effort in. That being said: I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking forward to these recovery lessons! I'm going to have a blast!
I have tons of respect for an instructor willing to conduct this kind of training and the pilot who voluntarily signs up for it. I did spin training as a pre-requisite for my CFI certificate. To be honest, this particular video I'm conflicted on. The instruction was great and instructor was insanely good, but what exactly is the purpose in letting the spin go that long? Two spins and my neck muscles tensed up so much I needed a chiropractor.
Fritoz I hear what you’re saying. And agree. I’m a certified flying instructor myself, and the student in this video. “Incipient spin training” is required to be a certified flying instructor in Australia, but there’s no requirement to ever see a fully developed spin. The spin has phases. And if you’re interested in seeing them, you need to let it wind up. Only after about 5 or 6 rotations, the airspeed stabilizes and the spin is known as “fully developed”, it’s at this point that we begin recovery. Although I probably don’t get the rudder in as fast or deliberate as I should have, we actually being recovery of this spin as soon it becomes fully developed, so we’re not really letting it wind up for no purpose. The key I’d like to add is, my brother actually bought me this flight as an “aerobatic joy flight experience”, the instructor here is a professional aerobatic pilot, and does this work as a side line. But rather than getting myself sick for no good reason, I asked the school if I could take the flight as Emergency Maneuver Training instead - far more practical. So, to answer your question, he didn’t “need” to let it wind up, but the purpose of the flight was to see and learn recovery from a “fully developed, stabilized spin”. Not just a couple of rotations like we do in instructor training 👍🏻 Dunno about the chiropractor, I found the spin quite mild to other stuff we did in the flight. The “falling leaf” was far far more violent, though I was more worried about the plane breaking than my neck, from memory.
@@coryjeacocke Cory, this is very interesting. I did my 22-turn spin in a Robin 2160 as part of a four-hour, four-flight course called "EMCC" or Emergency Manoeuvres and Confidence Course". We too did falling leaf in the first hour. Sounds like someone has taken somebody else's idea for a course - nothing wrong with that! Mine was in Long Beach, Calif.
@@coryjeacocke I think there has to be a connection - they sound very similar. The club I took my course at had their syllabus up on their web-site, so it would have been easy to copy. Your lesson above is incredibly similar to mine, including hands off the control column and hands on the dash. Or maybe your instructor and mine both copied from someone else, although my club had photos up of the guy the said developed the course for them. Quite a few American ex-military at my club. Fab suite of aircraft, too. Three Robin 2160s; a Pitts Special, Extra 300, Great Lakes, T-34. I went up in them all. Loads of fun!
Great to see extended footage of a developed spin. In flight training in the US, the FAA docs stress that spins can cause loss of altitude of 1,000’ _per rotation_. In this video, you can see that the aircraft is losing only about 200’ per rotation... if even that much. Additionally, I’m not sure which instrument I feel worse for, the DG spinning its little heart out or the turn coordinator and VSI trying to snap the ends off of their indicators.
The altitude loss depends on the aircraft. Always start high! A better recovery technique is to also push the stick forwards; not all aircraft will recover with rudder alone.
Navy Memphis flying club 1969, standard non-aerobatic C150s. Spin recovery was demonstrated in one of the early lessons. Not nearly as many turns or as much altitude loss as seen here! If a student (me) did something in later training that approached a spin, the instructor would calmly wait for the student to recover - if at a safe altitude, of course.
Impressive! Would you be okay with me featuring this in an episode of Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description.
This is such a awesome video everyone flying should get to experience this with a good CFI mistakes happen and every year people die due to incorrect technique 👍
Thanks. A most informative high impact clip. The same mantra impated: That if you continue to induce the spin by persistent rearward pressure on the control column, the aircraft will just continue spinning. Gently letting go without opposite rudder is a reliable first stage for recovery, but that alone is usually just attempting to flog a dead horse. Applying full opposite rudder during the second stage will. This demonstrates the visible difference between a spin and a fully developed stall spiral dive, where letting go of the control column (and hence correcting any inappropriate elevator or aileron input) may well initially sort the FDS condition out. My belief is that student pilots looking to obtain full PPL should at least be given an introduction to the spin condition and recovery procedure, even if it is simply demonstrated or "pattered" through by a qualified aerobatic instructor during the advanced stages of training. And of course, in an aircraft certificated as being an aerobatic category aircraft (as opposed to utility category).
Fantastic! It's great to see this, as it is so close to my own experience, and because no-one EVER believes me when I tell them, so it's wonderful to see video proof that it can be done. My own experience was: 1) It was my first ever spin; 2) It was in a Robin 2160; 3) my instructor offered me a mint as we span; 4) our engine also stopped 5) we entered the spin at 8000' and 6) we did 22 turns. Looks like we both had very good instructors! When did you do this, Cory?
@AwakeAmericanow. What most light aircraft do is irrelevant; the plane in question is a Robin 2160. As you can see, the aircraft above lost 2200 feet in 20 turns, so about 110 feet per turn.
@@d.n.3652 Hi DN. I've no idea how much altitude I lost; it was about twenty years ago and that detail is now well beyond my memory. It was a very busy lesson; we did several more spins, some basic aerobatics (my first ever) and practised operating in the circuit and approach to landing without using the control column.
@AwakeAmericanow. As you say - it doesn't make much difference. The "industry standard" is irrelevant when we are talking about a specific aircraft - the Robin 2160. What matters when talking about the performance of the Robin 2160 is the performance of the Robin 2160.
I received my first acrobatic flight training in a Robin at Coolangatta airport (now Gold Coast) in the late 1980s. My instructor was a real old-timer. It's not like spinning a cessna! After four or five series of spins in each direct, and a prolonged silence, the old pro asked "are ya feelin' crook mate?". My answer was the obvious one... great memory!
It's probably worth noting that this is a non-standard spin recovery technique that works well in some Robin aircraft. Both wings are stalled but at different angles of attack hence the autogyration (spinning). The standard method calls for you check forward on the elevator (decrease AoA/unstall the wings) after application of opposite rudder before recovering to straight and level flight. Missing this step often takes you straight to the scene of the accident on most aircraft types!
Not really putting life on the line. The instructor knows how to get out of the spin so can step in if it is necessary. He certainly isn't being careless with the student's life.
Yup. Sad that the Brazil pilots lost the battle. What I am wondering is if they tried differential thrust. My first reaction when we were watching the Brazil crash was: If you still have power to both engines, go to idle, then slowly apply thrust to the spin-ward engine and feather the opposite one. Go nose down until you have enough air over the control surfaces to regain command of the aircraft.
@@Bracgypsy I am not a specialist in plane handling and procedures in general but it seems that some spins are unrecoverable. I hope this was the case vs. the pilots not knowing the exact procedure to get out of the spin and thus being the only responsible
Spins don’t look like anything I ever imagined. From inside, the airplane looks like it is rolling about the longitudinal axis. I always imagined it spinning more around the yaw axis. The guy is right, F*** Me!
❤👍😊 All about mastering the aircraft and getting to know it so well that it's almost part of you. Wonderful. Because that makes the difference when it counts.
Probably already said, but a wonderful example of a Muller Beggs recovery. Watch the stick go forward and into the rotation as opposite rudder is applied.
True story... I was an O-1 Bird Dog pilot in Vietnam and regularly did normal spins for the fun of it. I'd sometimes engage in mock dog fights with other aircraft. I was in one with a friendly AH-1Cobra pilot who was closing in from behind me at about 5,000 ft AGL. I initiated a spin by chopping the throttle, rapidly nosing up, kicking the rudder over and entering a spin that I recovered from near the ground. The Cobra pilot laughed over the radio and said "I give up!" It's sad that spin recovery is not normally taught any more.
Congratz on that instructor, only the rudder matters, that is a really important training! Of course, there should be a protocol for that, and also a suitable plane, but some know what they are doing.
@@casacasa5397 As far as I know, the rudder is the only thing that helps to counter the spin of a developed spin, the other controls don't work, by not facing the wind direction correctly, or make things worse.
You can tell he's an excellent instructor. Having a conversation, telling him to look at the indicators, and having him put his hands on the dash probably doubled his confidence in the airplane
He could only be a cooler cucumber if he pulled out his phone and ordered a pizza.
Skillful pilot by the excellent instructor 👌
"Yeah I'd like a large pepperoni. Do you deliver to 3200 feet?"
Been flying a lot of years with many instructors this guy is a keeper someday this might come in handy or his young student.
Can’t do that under instruction in UK but already read how to handle it.
I got drunk once and spun the room like that. Only lost about 6 feet in altitude though.
😂 hilarious bro.
@@nategraham8883 bot or something, i see this comment pretty frequently
Only six! After my spin I woke up in the basement.
@@Karl__Pierre got to work on that recovery!
@@tylerw1418 hahahahaha
You know you've won the confidence and admiration of your student when you demonstrate a maneuver and he utters, "Fockin 'ell," followed by a "fock maaeee!" Nicely done!
@authorization batman lol wtf is your deal? Go get a life
@authorization batman being quite the hypocrit with that comment
@authorization batman youtube comment sections…
Fuckin psycho.... SHEEEESH
@authorization batman you oneth bruh cuss your reply made no sense to everyone else your in your own little world bro 🤣🤣🤣
from no spin experience to a one with 20 rotations, damn!
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Instal toilet roll.
I want a toilet bowl that makes airplane sounds now.
its ridiculous how calm that instructor is, he is sitting like he is in his livingroom
It's not time to panic until it's time.
I wish every teacher is as good as that flight instructor. Calm, professional, knows what he's doing, and neat. Just awesome
Wow, I am sure the student was thinking, can I trust this instructor?
especially when he says let go of the stick heh.
Apart from "Here comes my breakfast" you mean?
Yes, I can so relate to this. I had my first stall recovery training lesson yesterday and that exact same thing was going through my head.
The best demonstration I ever got in my primary training was the spin. There are those who can deal with them and those who bore holes in the ground.
Great instruction from a very comfortable and competent instructor. This student will know how to exactly get into and out of spins safely.
Highly impressive calmness, this is a man you want in a pinch.
Wow. One cool instructor. I want to learn spin recovery from you
Lol I like the part were he says “this is scaring me”
You caught that too lol...
This CFI is rockin' it. That lesson takes a lot of the mystery, fear, and anxiety out of stall training. That's a lot for the student to absorb right there in the moment, and you can see how he's overloaded throughout most of it, but that is a straightforward approach, no pun intended, to demystifying the whole thing. Well done!
Just imagine happening to notice the plane enter into the spin as a bystander on the ground. You'd be freaking out trying to get attention of other people, and by the time they see it he'd have corrected from the spin and you'd look like a crazy person.
For real I'd probably think you were crazy if I didn't see it for myself but damn that instructor deserves a raise 👌 I don't think I'd trust anyone else to teach me how to fly after seeing that video
Thats the most awesome video of the spin recovery on the internet! I want this flight instructor!
Spin recovery lesson was spot on. Some pilots might read about how to do it in text but apply the pressure they don’t always remember what they read. This pilot will remember how to do it calmly and efficiently if not instantaneous after remembering this moment with the instructor
Most countries this is not a requirement part of a test. It should be.
it is in canada still and it's a good thing
Absolutely it should be, in many not even a real stall is not required unfortunately, just until the horn goes off and then recover....Life saving experience stall and spin training!
Mergg Firts of all nobody got killed by getting training for a spin that is a totally bs statement.
Its another maneuver that can be conducted safely if taught be someone that knows it.
Secondly if you refer to FAA CFIs they dont have to demonstrate it anywhere they just get the training for it.
Mergg ok “buddy” relax you are not the only FAA CFI in the house.
Since you are a cfi did you demonstrated to a DPE any spin or just trained in an aerobatic aircraft with an instructor for spins?
I know exactly what i m talking about and i m careful with my wording.
Mergg so you tell me that even stall training is forbiden or per FAA???? You recover with your students just when horn sounds or you get the buffeting?????
Thats exactly what kills future pilots that they never experience in the body a real stall.
Regarding both the real stall and spin training are life saviors and even though spin is not required for the non cfi certs I always recomended the extra training with an aerobatic instructor for the spin to my students.
0:46 *FAAAKIN HELL* 🤣
how to learn finnish in one minute?
I wish they had a video of that from the ground or another airplane! Love how they're just having a conversation while in a spin losing altitude with the engine off! Good on ya mates!
Ye, that hit me as well. The plane was literally plummeting towards the earth and they had a full blown calm conversation.
The engine itself is on. The propeller is disconnected from it. Basically like a gear box or transmission I think. That’s why it restarted so fast
The engine was always on, just idling. You are seeing it "stop" due to camera shutter frequency. And no, prop doesn't disconnect from the crankshaft.
@@aparfeno The engine was 100% off during the spin. The mixture (the knob the instructor had his left hand on) was pulled all the way out, intentionally starving the engine of fuel until they recovered. That is actually how you shut off an engine in a piston aircraft. Additionally, the RPM gauge (big gauge on the top-right) was at 0 for the duration of the spin, and the engine started up again as soon as he re-introduced fuel with the mixture.
"You won't get that anywhere else..". Every person learning to fly damn well should. Most deaths in piloting aviation come from the ever tested and undeniable chain of.. Stall, spin, crash, burn, die. Everybody will stall it at some point and stall it again, so you would do VERY well to take advantage of an excellent instructor like this and experience it and practice recovery from it, taking away the debilitating fear and replacing it with the confidence of successful management and recovery method. This brings back memories.. and a HUGE smile.
Accidents in spins never really happen. It is very uncommon. Also, most training locations that are 141 approved require the instructor to teach spins and students to learn to spin and recover. The only accidents I can recall being specifically from spins are multi engine planes and planes not rated to do spins in because of poor recovery characteristics. In that instance, it’s hard to blame poor pilot recovery when the plane just isn’t able to recover nicely.
Ah yes. Piper Tomahawks that 'lost' their spin rating due to 'issues'.
This instructor is an absolute legend. Incredible at keeping his voice and movements so calm in a controlled yet chaotic situation.
He is just doing his job. Why would he be a legend?
It's like you guys had a whole casual conversation while in a spin that instructor must have done a lot
It's amazing how fast the airspeed climbs as soon as the spin is stopped.
Yes, the airspeed resumes indicating once ram air re-pressurizes the pitot tube upon re-entering stabilized flight. The descent rate is accurate the entire time.
Yeah if pull back was late, it would be horrible because of gravity
Not amazing, just a dive... #ThatGravityThaaaang!
I did spin training in a C-152 Aerobat. The first couple were very frightening and after 70 hours of spin avoidance psychological training it was also mentally challenging.
I’m so impressed with your calm and focus! Well done!!
I had the honour of being shown some aerobatics in a Robin Alpha by an instructor, a very unassuming man. I asked him where he learnt to do that and he told me he had been a Hurricane pilot during the war. There were still a few about then but now I realise what a great momment. Came and went as they all do.
When I learned to Fly, over 50 years ago, Spin Training was NOT a requirement for your Pilot Certificate.
BUT, I insisted on it!
The younger CFI's all refused to train spins. So I had to seek out an "Old Timer"! He was happy to help. And was very impressed that I had also insisted that all of my training for my Private Certificate be conducted in Taildragger aircraft! 😉
You want a cookie?
@@mathieuclement8011 dude let the man flex. He's like 70 years old
@@mathieuclement8011 why the hostility? the guy was just sharing an interesting life experience.
I assume this story is from the US. CFI's are mostly young and not too experienced themselves while on their journey to the airlines. One of these types of guys would likely kill you while "demonstrating"
You sir are a beast!!! I literately learned the meaning of a tail dragged just yesterday. It really did help you understand that a ain’t nothing like a car. Winds aerodynamic forces, just amazing.
I love how the instructor makes you just sit there and ride it instead of fixing it right away.
"now push the rudder PUSH PUSH PUSH PUSH PUSH!!!" love the tone of the instructor!🤣
a spin recovery capable pilot is born.
I'm glad someone else heard it. He was like push the fucking rudder! That's insane.
@@wt5284 he sounded like that because of the positive g forces he was experiencing from stopping the spin and pulling out of it. Also straining his leg as the student wasn't pushing hard enough
Colin is an expectional instructor! what an epic video.
That's insane. Wonderful demo of the effects and recovery. I went through part 61 flight training after they removed the spin training requirement, but this looks really fun.
Damn, never knew they removed it. Our school taught us anyway, but not to this extent we were only allowed 3 full rotations before recovery, would've loved to be doing 20 rotation spins every flight rather than 3 hour navs hahaha
Unless you have been in a spinning aircraft you have no idea of the sensation. The spin itself is crazy enough but falling out of the sky at the same time is something that you can't begin to describe.
Notice how the instructor brought him over the water for this test. Scary but responsible
Responsible? What's the population density there, 1 person per square foot?
Imagine sitting there spinning like a merry go round and the instructor is calm as a cucumber asking if you're stable.
Just starting toward my PPL recently. I'm fully committed to taking everything I learn seriously and putting the effort in. That being said: I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking forward to these recovery lessons! I'm going to have a blast!
Hello it’s 2024 did you get your ppl ?
@trejo4995 Sadly no, I was turned down on the medical because of a medication I'm prescribed 😔
That altitude indicator was spinning!
It’s diaphragm was probably about to explode
They would have crashed in less than a half minutes if doing nothing.
I have tons of respect for an instructor willing to conduct this kind of training and the pilot who voluntarily signs up for it. I did spin training as a pre-requisite for my CFI certificate. To be honest, this particular video I'm conflicted on. The instruction was great and instructor was insanely good, but what exactly is the purpose in letting the spin go that long? Two spins and my neck muscles tensed up so much I needed a chiropractor.
Fritoz I hear what you’re saying. And agree. I’m a certified flying instructor myself, and the student in this video.
“Incipient spin training” is required to be a certified flying instructor in Australia, but there’s no requirement to ever see a fully developed spin.
The spin has phases. And if you’re interested in seeing them, you need to let it wind up. Only after about 5 or 6 rotations, the airspeed stabilizes and the spin is known as “fully developed”, it’s at this point that we begin recovery.
Although I probably don’t get the rudder in as fast or deliberate as I should have, we actually being recovery of this spin as soon it becomes fully developed, so we’re not really letting it wind up for no purpose.
The key I’d like to add is, my brother actually bought me this flight as an “aerobatic joy flight experience”, the instructor here is a professional aerobatic pilot, and does this work as a side line. But rather than getting myself sick for no good reason, I asked the school if I could take the flight as Emergency Maneuver Training instead - far more practical.
So, to answer your question, he didn’t “need” to let it wind up, but the purpose of the flight was to see and learn recovery from a “fully developed, stabilized spin”. Not just a couple of rotations like we do in instructor training 👍🏻
Dunno about the chiropractor, I found the spin quite mild to other stuff we did in the flight. The “falling leaf” was far far more violent, though I was more worried about the plane breaking than my neck, from memory.
@@coryjeacocke Cory, this is very interesting. I did my 22-turn spin in a Robin 2160 as part of a four-hour, four-flight course called "EMCC" or Emergency Manoeuvres and Confidence Course". We too did falling leaf in the first hour. Sounds like someone has taken somebody else's idea for a course - nothing wrong with that! Mine was in Long Beach, Calif.
Darius The Persian that’s very interesting... I wonder if this is pretty standard aerobatic stuff, or are both our courses related somehow?
@@coryjeacocke I think there has to be a connection - they sound very similar. The club I took my course at had their syllabus up on their web-site, so it would have been easy to copy. Your lesson above is incredibly similar to mine, including hands off the control column and hands on the dash. Or maybe your instructor and mine both copied from someone else, although my club had photos up of the guy the said developed the course for them. Quite a few American ex-military at my club. Fab suite of aircraft, too. Three Robin 2160s; a Pitts Special, Extra 300, Great Lakes, T-34. I went up in them all. Loads of fun!
@@coryjeacocke Thanks for the additional context. Fly safe!
Best video on RUclips, this is real flying!
Great to see extended footage of a developed spin. In flight training in the US, the FAA docs stress that spins can cause loss of altitude of 1,000’ _per rotation_. In this video, you can see that the aircraft is losing only about 200’ per rotation... if even that much. Additionally, I’m not sure which instrument I feel worse for, the DG spinning its little heart out or the turn coordinator and VSI trying to snap the ends off of their indicators.
Always funny when you come out of a spin and the poor AI has tumbled and has to right itself over the next few minutes XD
The altitude loss depends on the aircraft. Always start high! A better recovery technique is to also push the stick forwards; not all aircraft will recover with rudder alone.
@@paradoxicalcat7173 dont rush the 'stick forwards' in a Robin... slows the recovery, rather than aids it.
im probably never going to fly a plane by myself, but will always remember this video in case theres an emergency if i ever am in one.
You’re scaring me! Priceless.
Navy Memphis flying club 1969, standard non-aerobatic C150s. Spin recovery was demonstrated in one of the early lessons. Not nearly as many turns or as much altitude loss as seen here! If a student (me) did something in later training that approached a spin, the instructor would calmly wait for the student to recover - if at a safe altitude, of course.
Impressive! Would you be okay with me featuring this in an episode of Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description.
Love your videos, this would be an amazing addition to it aswell!
No probs. Call out if you have any questions about it. Cheers,
Where was this?
@@SimonTekConley Sunshine Coast, Australia
Luckily nobody was injured.
Absolute skill.... And Balls.
Amazing instructor and amazing student. Kept his cool the entire spin so much better than I would have
Things like this make me want to start my flight lessons sooner, I'm just in the middle of the ground course.
This is such a awesome video everyone flying should get to experience this with a good CFI mistakes happen and every year people die due to incorrect technique 👍
I can’t help but notice your name dc next to 10 months and 10 likes lol. You fly a dc-10? 🤣
Thanks. A most informative high impact clip. The same mantra impated: That if you continue to induce the spin by persistent rearward pressure on the control column, the aircraft will just continue spinning. Gently letting go without opposite rudder is a reliable first stage for recovery, but that alone is usually just attempting to flog a dead horse. Applying full opposite rudder during the second stage will. This demonstrates the visible difference between a spin and a fully developed stall spiral dive, where letting go of the control column (and hence correcting any inappropriate elevator or aileron input) may well initially sort the FDS condition out. My belief is that student pilots looking to obtain full PPL should at least be given an introduction to the spin condition and recovery procedure, even if it is simply demonstrated or "pattered" through by a qualified aerobatic instructor during the advanced stages of training. And of course, in an aircraft certificated as being an aerobatic category aircraft (as opposed to utility category).
I went thru this part in my private pilot course and one thing I suggest is DO NOT eat 3 hours prior. Trust me. Man I miss flying.
I’ve always wondered if doing this makes you feel ill like a rollercoaster
Try your best and get back into the air. Flying is awesome.
@@mattsains It honestly isn't that bad....
This is the best spin training video ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Insane. What level in life does a person have to be to do something like this!
This student’s remarks are spot on! A great summary.
Half way through... This is scaring me LOL.
Fantastic! It's great to see this, as it is so close to my own experience, and because no-one EVER believes me when I tell them, so it's wonderful to see video proof that it can be done. My own experience was: 1) It was my first ever spin; 2) It was in a Robin 2160; 3) my instructor offered me a mint as we span; 4) our engine also stopped 5) we entered the spin at 8000' and 6) we did 22 turns. Looks like we both had very good instructors! When did you do this, Cory?
How much altitude did you lose?
@AwakeAmericanow. What most light aircraft do is irrelevant; the plane in question is a Robin 2160. As you can see, the aircraft above lost 2200 feet in 20 turns, so about 110 feet per turn.
@@d.n.3652 Hi DN. I've no idea how much altitude I lost; it was about twenty years ago and that detail is now well beyond my memory. It was a very busy lesson; we did several more spins, some basic aerobatics (my first ever) and practised operating in the circuit and approach to landing without using the control column.
@AwakeAmericanow. As you say - it doesn't make much difference. The "industry standard" is irrelevant when we are talking about a specific aircraft - the Robin 2160. What matters when talking about the performance of the Robin 2160 is the performance of the Robin 2160.
whats the point behind giving u the mint lol
I received my first acrobatic flight training in a Robin at Coolangatta airport (now Gold Coast) in the late 1980s. My instructor was a real old-timer. It's not like spinning a cessna! After four or five series of spins in each direct, and a prolonged silence, the old pro asked "are ya feelin' crook mate?". My answer was the obvious one... great memory!
Great instruction! Super calm, great rapport, terrific CFI.
I can feel it in his voice. He is a great instructor
he was so calm and professional that at first I thought the speaking was a voice over.
It's probably worth noting that this is a non-standard spin recovery technique that works well in some Robin aircraft. Both wings are stalled but at different angles of attack hence the autogyration (spinning). The standard method calls for you check forward on the elevator (decrease AoA/unstall the wings) after application of opposite rudder before recovering to straight and level flight. Missing this step often takes you straight to the scene of the accident on most aircraft types!
man thats a good instructor. I am truly having a bad time with instructors... Good job with this by the way mate
Him: "you're scaring me"
Other him: "I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night."
I wonder why this video never got a million views, very few of them done to this perfection, do it again Sir, please.
I trust anyone with an Australian accent; but this instructor, who puts my life on the line to prove a point, I trust extremely well.
They are British, not Australian.
Close but the instructor is a Brit, Colin Appleton, however the student is not and the lesson took place in Queensland, Australia.
Not really putting life on the line. The instructor knows how to get out of the spin so can step in if it is necessary. He certainly isn't being careless with the student's life.
"it's not possible instructor!"
"no it's necessary"
Who else arrived here after this plane crash in Brazil?
Yup. Sad that the Brazil pilots lost the battle. What I am wondering is if they tried differential thrust. My first reaction when we were watching the Brazil crash was: If you still have power to both engines, go to idle, then slowly apply thrust to the spin-ward engine and feather the opposite one. Go nose down until you have enough air over the control surfaces to regain command of the aircraft.
Me. So I know what to do if I'm ever on a plane that's stalling and I try to grab the controls to save everyone.
@@Bracgypsy I am not a specialist in plane handling and procedures in general but it seems that some spins are unrecoverable.
I hope this was the case vs. the pilots not knowing the exact procedure to get out of the spin and thus being the only responsible
@@Network126 wise move bro!
I hope for you it does not happen tho
Completely different animal recovering in a twin.. which I'm sure you won't find any videos of that didn't go splat.
Its fascinating to methat the recovery procedure is so simple but very specific and easy to get wrong in the stress of the moment.
The instructor's manner of speaking is rather entertaining innit!
Pilots have nerves of steel. I could never
Ah yes, the first experience of a spin. Love the guys expression lol.
Amazing 🤩
Didn't experience a spin & recovery before.
A very critical teaching moment between these two.
EXCELLENT training. He needs to do it again, till he's comfortable and does not require input from the instructor.
0:34 good to hear the composure in the student's voice even when he is expressing his fear. Must be terrifying to learn.
love his reaction
damn what a badass instructor
RIP Brazil ATR72 in the flatspin
I felt that "Falking hell..." deep in my bones. Had the same in my first spin
0:45 Sums it all up. Great recovery and Instructor.
Spins don’t look like anything I ever imagined. From inside, the airplane looks like it is rolling about the longitudinal axis. I always imagined it spinning more around the yaw axis. The guy is right, F*** Me!
If you really love flying you gotta love this maneuver and the exercise to learning it. It’s like a rite of passage.
No I haven’t done it in person the most I’ve done is taxi, take off and practice banking.
❤👍😊 All about mastering the aircraft and getting to know it so well that it's almost part of you. Wonderful. Because that makes the difference when it counts.
0:34 ...”this is scaring me....”
The teacher is a certified badass, great job
If I ever take flying lessons, that’s definitely a day I’m going to wear some brown pants.
Best spin recovery instruction
Probably already said, but a wonderful example of a Muller Beggs recovery. Watch the stick go forward and into the rotation as opposite rudder is applied.
Hell yeah Brother. Nice job.
Excellent video. Magnificent instructor..
Perfectly executed recovery! Beautyful!
This is extremely critical training to do....you never want your first time experiencing this outside of book training to be a real life failure.
I SOOO want to do this, it looks fun as hell!
True story... I was an O-1 Bird Dog pilot in Vietnam and regularly did normal spins for the fun of it. I'd sometimes engage in mock dog fights with other aircraft. I was in one with a friendly AH-1Cobra pilot who was closing in from behind me at about 5,000 ft AGL. I initiated a spin by chopping the throttle, rapidly nosing up, kicking the rudder over and entering a spin that I recovered from near the ground. The Cobra pilot laughed over the radio and said "I give up!" It's sad that spin recovery is not normally taught any more.
The accent is perfect for the situation
Instructor sounded so calm!
Trapped in a spinning vortex of imminent death.
Instructor - “So how’s things mate, you have a good weekend ?”
Best instructor ever!
I am gonna fly 2 sorties of upset recovery training tomorrow and I am here to see what I am gonna experience. This is really sick!
That was a perfect spin.
"You spin me right round baby right round like a record baby"
"This is scaring me" yes, it should.
Congratz on that instructor, only the rudder matters, that is a really important training! Of course, there should be a protocol for that, and also a suitable plane, but some know what they are doing.
Isn’t it used to recover lift right after the spin stops by limiting noise down to gain air speed?
@@casacasa5397 As far as I know, the rudder is the only thing that helps to counter the spin of a developed spin, the other controls don't work, by not facing the wind direction correctly, or make things worse.
Next time I drive home from the pub, I'll remember hands on the dashboard, opposite rudder...
Dude on the ground about to dial 911... Then 🧐
I’ve been teaching spinning for 25 years and my voice still goes up an octave!
Great demonstration! Thank you