How has he impacted the game? He hasn't carried a franchise to the top of the NBA mountain & planted their flag! Ppl call anyone a"superstar"as long as the media says they're one😒.
@@ReverendSam1 2 wins away from his 2nd finals appearance in 3 years when guys like chris paul only got there once and harden has never led a team there. Everything isn’t just “did you win a ring”.
@monte So u hold that"YMCA bubble"in high regard? So a"superstar"is someone who's never been king of the hill? Everyone can't win a🏆& that's why certain titles r reserved for certain players! JB is too inconsistent & everything has been laid out for him by Pat Riley for him to climb the NBA mountain & plant the heat flag......can he do it remains to b seen🤔!
He’s not a superstar talent but he’s definitely made himself into a superstar basketball player all around. There’s nothing he can’t do at a high level anymore.
@@tj-23 Jimmy Butler isn't a superstar TALENT. The word talent means he was born with a certain "it" factor and you could atleast see the greatness from an early age. (KD, Bron, Melo). Jimmy was never that and has developed his skill over time. If he was truly talented he would of been able to do what he's doing now at 22 instead of 32. That's why i specifically said superstar player instead of talent, there's a difference.
He can do everything but give u consistency! He'll give u 40 one game & then give u 15 the next🙄. He needs a dominate post season run to make a case for"superstardom"....for me.
Where does he elevate a team to🤔? He disappeared in the"YMCA bubble"& he's inconsistent, he needs this post season run to a🏆for me to consider him a"superstar"!
Months back Russillo said that he's not a superstar and he's not a Top 10 player and that we were kinda fooled by the Bubble run. And I said it then, and I'll say it now, he is absolutely a superstar. Yes he's been on 4 teams. But there's nothing that speaks more volumes than the fact that every single team he's left has been worse off without them. He's brought success wherever he goes and his Finals performance was one of the most impressive series' ever as a player.
You can’t judge a supertar by wether or not the team is good after they leave or else next year when nets are better than Philly and better than they were this season, harden wouldn’t a superstar with your criteria. Philly had a second round ceiling with Jimmy and they still do to this day
Chief W well then you’re not thinking deep enough. Just look at the top 3 players on the Heat and the top 3 of Boston. The Heat don’t have enough star power
Ryan Lmao Harden was foul made, and clearly isn’t even an all-star with the new rule change this season. He could barely drop 25pts, Jimmy is putting up 40 bombs and locking dudes up simultaneously. Butler is by far the better player at this point
@@chiefw3573 what 14 guys can say they can’t be the best player on a championship team. Butler has gotten to the finals that way. And he might do it again. Meanwhile jokic, embiid, harden, Kyrie, dame, Ad haven’t lead championship teams or even been to the finals. Bam is the second best player and he hasn’t been acting like a star
I used to look at Butler as an Alpha Level personality with Beta level talent. What I love about Jimmy Butler is that he plays ALOT better in the playoffs than he does in the regular season. Guys like that are hard to come by and I would absolutely trade a prime James Harden for Jimmy Butler. Philly looks mighty stupid for getting rid of Butler in order to keep Tobias Harris. They had the most success in the last 20 years with Butler.
Jimmy Butler is a superstar but not in the traditional sense of how LeBron and Luka were already labeled as such from the moment they entered the NBA radar. LeBron and Luka had a buzz/hype around them before they went pro and were given the title of "superstar" because of their perceived talents. Butler, on the other hand, fought and worked for every opportunity he has in his life and was never really handed or given anything. That's why he has the mentality that he does as a basketball player. He might be seen as an "asshole" teammate or that he "only yells and gets on people's nerves" but that's just who he is, a dog that had to claw and fight from the bottom to get to the heights that he has reached. He demands the most and best out of his teammates, doesn't tolerate bullshit, and will keep it real. He was the 30th pick in the 1st round of the 2011 draft and was projected to be nothing more than a role player. Look at him now and see the work that he's put into his career. So say it with me: Jimmy Butler is a superstar.
He fought and worked and competes - I can so easily understand someone like Butler "becoming a bit irritated" if your team-mates doesn't take it seriously enough to be competitive.
He’s got an average all star’s game with a superstar mentality which brings out special performances and stretches but a true superstar will always beat him in the end.
You say that but he knocked out Gianni’s in 2019. How many players in the league can Say they have been the best player on a finals team? It’s less than 10 and Jimmy on that list
@@MrLakerfan2490 Tony Parker was the best player that playoffs, but everyone knows Tim Duncan was always the overall best. The Pistons were one of the anomalies in history. They had 4 evenly spread all stars on that team. Ben Wallace was the only HOF and he barely made it. Jimmy Butler is a guranteed HOF and its not even a question who is the best player and leader of that team by a long shot too
He had to work hard to be named together with the other naturally talented monsters, and he absolutely earned it. I'll take him over Devin Booker every single day of the week.
Not even in the same conversation of two-way wings. Booker cracked when the Mavs took away his pet plays the spots he works best at. Jimmy will get you a bucket in the playoffs even when he's covered by one of the best defenders in the league. In part it is a detriment because if the Heat's offense stalls, it becomes Jimmy ISO ball as a way for the team to push.
@@T0XiCPeaches facts and D book finished 4th in MVP. Before the series and outcome I was shouting WTF NO way. Booker is a 15-20 player in the NBA top 5 no way
@@sergeynazaro1768 Absolutely! I think his impact ATM is as a peak Bradley Beal: A great number two that needs someone else to take the pressure off of him in the biggest moments
That Philly team with Butler JJ Reddick, Embiid, Simmons, was one of the best teams constructed. Let's face it if not for Kahwis shot and Raptors winning, that Philly team could have won the championship.
People forget, Jimmy hit a clutch layup just before the Kawhi shot to tie the game. Forgotten because of the ending but the Sixers we’re going as far as Jimmy was going to take them. And he ended up showing he ultimately could get a team to the finals when he went to the Heat.
I agree. More likely for that Philly team to win the chip of Kawhi's shot tips out than the Rockets team to win if CP's hammie doesn't give out when they are up 3-2, and that one was close.
@@kevinowens3774 Yea, Butler was the actual #1 option. Nobody called him that b/c Joel was/is the face of the franchise, but even as Kawhi was getting ready for that last missed free throw, Greg Anthony calling the game on TV was basically like "we shouldn't be surprised if the ball goes to Butler here". Unsurprisingly, it went to Butler and he tied the game.
Lets be honest though him leaving those teams other than the 76ers was him just deciding those players just didnt give as much of a sh*t as he did and him basically destroying the locker room to get out of there and the funny thing is he was right about all of em, the minute he gets with a team as gritty and hard nosed as he is he gets to the finals and is in the ecf 2 of the past 3 years as well as being the 1 seed, lets be honest its sad but mainstream and even some self proclaimed “smart” basketball people would call him a superstar if he averaged 32/7/6 and was out in the first round like a tmac or westbrook which is sad but true
PHI offered him the max and he chose MIA because he thought it was best for his personality. Butler chose someone else, not the other way around like Bill presented
@@abcsorensen They can just watch that JJ Reddick interview with him. He laid it ALL out there. Philly may have 'offered' him but he felt like they didn't really want him. Along with the FO, the staff and coach Bret Brown that he didn't trust. He definitely didn't want to be in a wack dysfunctional situation like the tail end of his Bulls and T-Wolves stints.
I said if he wins a chip this year yes he’ll become one. The heat are an overall great team but he is the man of the ship, he just falls in line and allows his teammates to develop and get theirs. What he’s done in Miami is what the media said bron was gonna do with the lakers when he first got there. Dude is literally winning with role players who were either undrafted, not getting much PT, or from the Gleague. Wherever the dude goes he makes teams better
Surely some of that development of talent goes to Coach Spo, right? They also have guys like Bam and Kerro out of Kentucky and traded for Lowry and Tucker with their championship pedigrees. The thing that amazes me most about Butler is the difference between regular season and playoffs. I mean, he was a BAD 3 pt shooter in the regular season. Like .233 we don't want you to shoot it bad. Now he's .350 in the playoffs this year.
What I love most about Jimmy he's never selfish or self-centered about letting the team and his teammates shine. That man has been adamant since he left Chicago that he could care less about points and it's moreso about whatever the team needs on that given night. He shrugs off point totals. Which is one of the reasons he doesn't average 25 in the regular season. When he used to worry too much about his points it didn't work out . Jimmy's one of the few players you can actually see having like 15 pts and still being clearly the most valuable player on the court any given game.
@@WhelmedButReady exactly right. And that’s unfortunately the reason why people don’t consider him an mvp caliber player or a superstar level player just cuz they don’t see the big scoring output or the outrageous stat line. He’s the ultimate utility guy he can score, rebound, and playmake and do whatever u ask of him and he gets the results as a leader. That’s why if the heat do win this year I’ll consider him a superstar, his impact on teams and on his teammates is what sets him on that path
Hi Bill I'm assuming it was a mistake but please make sure you guys put the outro music back in, love those sweet drums along with the piano, perfect closure to your videos. Thanks
Jimmy is a superstar. If your superstar doesn’t perform in the playoffs, what’s the point? As a Heat fan, it’s very reminiscing of Wade as well like how Wade magically starts hitting 3s in the playoffs.
What makes him a"superstar"tho'? U say you're a heat fan, comparing him to dwade is disrespectful! A champion himself & the inspiration of LeBron living up to the"king"moniker! What has JB done to even b in that category?
@@ReverendSam1 He was was the only player(Phila's main scorer and reason they didn't get swept in 2019 because Embiid only averaged 17ppg a game vs Raptors) who went toe to toe vs a Prime Kawhi and only lost due to a 4 bounce lucky shot and that prime Kawhi eliminated Giannis so as Curry and Thompson. Also, in 2020 he went toe to toe with the superstacked Lakers(Prime Davis and LBJ-2 top 5 players)with 2 injured main players (Dragic who's their best scorer and Bam, their best defender as Butler that time is their best overall and 2 way player so as closer) winning 2 games and getting 2 legendary triple doubles and Miami was the only team to beat that team in 2 games and took it to game 6 and not even the healthy teams in the west did that. Now he averaged 27.4ppg in the playoffs and that's despite his knee injury scoring 8,6, and 13pts, if not for that injury he could've averaged 30+ppg and he was the only player who got 4 40+pts games this playoffs, took the best defensive team Celtics to game 7 too and only lost due to a short 3pt shot. But he scored 41, 29(didn't even play 4th quarter), 47, and 35 vs the Celtics and won. Not even KD fid that as he got swept, not to mention no one averaged 15+ppg and Bam(2nd best player) averaged 14ppg and Herro averaged 12ppg a game that playoffs. Even Oladipo and Lowry was injured but they were terrible too offensively.
@@SCNE_Forever Who's reading all that🤔or even responding to it? U can't make a point in a couple of sentences? Listen if u like JB cool, but I've seen WWWAAAYYY to much inconsistency......BTW injuries r apart of the game but if u go out & play u erase that excuse!!!!!
I love him because he is just different, homes then raised by a white family, loves country music, is a coffee and wine geek and doesn’t seem to be involved in woke politics. And a great clutch player which is what counts.
You sure? Going toe to toe with Prime Kawhi and Embiid was like averaging 17ppg a game that series so he's not that good before so as Tobias and Simmons being soft as always. Not even with much help. Imagine in 2020 having rookies, 3rd year players or 2, maybe only decent players in Crowder, Iguodala, and Dragic but still got to finals and even beating that unbeatable Lakers team with 2 top 5 players (prime Davis) in 2 games with 2 injured main players. Now he was a complete beast and a different breed and was single-handedly carrying the Heat with injured Lowry, Tucker, and Herro while averaging 27.4ppg overall (not to mention, he had 8,6, and 13pts due to his injury), if you take that out, he'll average 30+pts and he's the only player who got four 40+pts games this playoffs with such superb defense and steals and with the conversation only with Michael Jordan. He too was injured yet got 41, 29(didn't even play the 4th quarter, 47, and 35 vs that best defense Celtics. That's a complete beast. It took him Pritchard intentionally pulling his knee to injure and disable him.
A lot of guys hated MJ but put up with him because he was unquestionably the best player in the league and always gave his teammates the best chance to win, Jimmy treats his teammates the way Jordan did but isn’t near the caliber of player. I respect that he expects his guys to always run thru a wall, and he’s a player I’d want, but I think it hurts his reputation. I’d say he’s the next tier down from “Superstar” but it’s close.
Jimmy Butler was just destined to be an underrated superstar, in terms of production and defense he is as good as Tatum these playoffs, but his regular seasons are never good enough for top 5 mvp votes or scoring titles, his personality has got him traded several times, his overall skill growth was not as fast and flashy as the Lebron, KD, Giannis, Luka etc...and he is only finding success now on the backside of his career
@@Paul_pp Butler faced a healthy ass AD back in 2020 in the finals. And he took to him when AD was playing high quality lockdown defense on him. Giannis may be close but I can tell you Bud does NOT want to put Giannis on him at all times in a series even if he has Middleton. He can put Jrue on him but the results are the same and Butler continues to get at the rim and collects FTAs.
I’m a wolves fan and objectively- yes, he is. He’s been on 4 teams cuz he messes up locker rooms. The Bulls, Wolves, and Philly (to an extent so dysfunctional but, so were the wolves at that point so…)know. He fits perfectly w the heat and I fully believe kids would have his poster on their wall if he wudda been w the Heat since the beginning. Pat Bev is just as hard too deal with… it’s been working great. So yeah, he is.
Jimmy Butler is basically Jordan and Kobe in terms of mindset but the problem is he isn't as good as those two. I've always said being a leader like Jordan has severe limitations, you can't just be good or great, you have to be exceptionally talented, you need to be part of an institution that is willing to put up with you and most importantly you need to be so good that your coworkers also experience huge success with you. In terms of NBA it's winning championships, if an organization knows you can bring a title or get close they'll put up with a Jordan/Kobe/Butler leadership style but if you can't eventually people just stop listening to you. Once Kobe's athleticism declined no one really wanted to come and play for LA despite the fact Kobe had everyone's ultimate respect and during Jordan's years with the Wizards everyone got tired of him and again, that's despite the fact everyone revered him. This is the issue with Butler, he's a great player, he might be good enough to lead a team to a title but he hasn't yet so everyone will deal with his behavior but it's also why he's been traded as teams have decided that as great as he is he's ultimately not that guy. We have Chris Paul and Chris Paul is very similar and he's known to get to his teammates so that's why Paul and Butler have burned through some teams. They're great players, they command respect, they make teams better but when you're constantly in everyone's face and you're not taking them to championships eventually people just get tired of you and decide to move on.
This is a great conversation. I can’t figure out my thoughts on Jimmy Butler (not that they matter), or for that matter, the definition of a superstar. Right now I’m thinking that superstars need to have the potential to overwhelm a game, to really take it over. I also want a superstar to do shit that is honestly amazing to watch. Giannis, Tatum, Curry, Jokić… They can all do this in very plain and obvious ways, and their best stuff is really, really incredible. And for some reason… Jimmy Butler just doesn’t do that for me. I love his effort, though. The dude works his ass off, and doesn’t quit. And that is also definitely a feature of the superstar in the NBA today.
Jimmy does that in the playoffs. He has a better playoff ceiling than Tatum or Curry. This is a guy who literally went blow for blow with Lebron and outplayed Giannis, Embiid etc...
@@Howdidhenotseeme curry took out AD KD and LeBron in 1 run. Curry’s role isn’t like anyone else in the NBAs u can’t compare raw numbers. Jimmys also bout to get taken out by Tatum
Tatum will be there he's still scratching the surface with his playoff scoring. Outdueling Giannis for a 46 piece in a pivotal game 6 is huge. But Jimmy has dropped 30+ himself since the 2020 playoffs in situations where the Heat had no one really generating buckets. He's the guy doing the work to get buckets to keep the Heat hanging with their defense and hoping a few of the shooters like Herro catch fire by the 4th quarter.
Going toe to toe with Prime Kawhi and Embiid was like averaging 17ppg a game that series so he's not that good before so as Tobias and Simmons being soft as always. Not even with much help. Imagine in 2020 having rookies, 3rd year players or 2, maybe only decent players in Crowder, Iguodala, and Dragic but still got to finals and even beating that unbeatable Lakers team with 2 top 5 players (prime Davis) in 2 games with 2 injured main players. Now he was a complete beast and a different breed and was single-handedly carrying the Heat with injured Lowry, Tucker, and Herro while averaging 27.4ppg overall (not to mention, he had 8,6, and 13pts due to his injury), if you take that out, he'll average 30+pts and he's the only player who got four 40+pts games this playoffs with such superb defense and steals and with the conversation only with Michael Jordan. He too was injured yet got 41, 29(didn't even play the 4th quarter, 47, and 35 vs that best defense Celtics. That's a complete beast. It took him Pritchard intentionally pulling his knee to injure and disable him. You better watch all his games obviously you only watched those players you mentioned and really don't know Jimmy. Also he took over games offensively and defensively like no other superstars out there does except Kawhi in this prime.
The older I get the more I realize that the whole "is ___ a superstar" question is incredibly irrelevant and a little stupid. Star, Superstar.. The better way to determine which players belong on which tier is the top 10, top 20 convo. Jimmy may not check all of the transcendent boxes of flash or dominance that we associate with "superstardom" but he is without a doubt one of the 5 best 2 way players in the game and for sure a top 10 guy..especially in the playoffs.The superstar thing seems too incomplete and juvenile of a description for certain players.
I know a lot of people don't like Bob because he comes off cocky but I love him. He's opinionated and really knows his NBA. Breath of fresh air from all the talking head hot takes on ESPN.
Jimmy Buckets is definitely a superstar,He's over came so much already in his career so far and still keeps getting better ,His mentality is exactly what you want in a basketball player That Mamba mentality 💯✊🏾💪🏿🏀
How many teams has Kyrie been on? Harden been on? KD been on? Westbrook been on? The # of your teams as a gatekeeping mechanism is a dumb criteria. Jimmy broke Minnesota’s playoff streak, went 7 games with the raptors, and reached the finals and almost averaged a triple double.
These dudes are supposed to be plugged in but don't mention that Butler literally went on JJ's pod and implied it was because of Ben and Brett he left. And that the sixers had no chance of keeping him he was dead set on Miami
I think bills point about whether a team will keep the player isn’t fair and has much more to do with the organization. Respectable ones like the mavs dirk-doncic and Celtics pierce-Tatum will appreciate and cultivate they’re talent while some others might not be able to do the same things with there talent
It depends more if that current FO and team owner are on the same page. Like when Butler was in the T-Wolves he wasn't going to lower his price just to play with Wiggins and KAT who were going to get their rookie max extensions from old ass Glen Taylor. Taylor of course thought it would be better to pay those guys instead as value to create a playoff team than Butler so they lived with the consequences. Took them much longer even with KAT as a second option to become playoff relevant. Meanwhile Butler's been a winner wherever he's gone and he knows his value. If a team isn't built with the flexibility to take advantage of him and stay competitive, there is less incentive for him to be loyal to that org.
HOFer. Not superstar talent. But has willed himself to superstar performances at high stress moments. Amazing!! Plus he brings out the best (wrt toughness) in teammates
To mention his achievements. Going toe to toe with Prime Kawhi and Embiid was like averaging 17ppg a game that series so he's not that good before so as Tobias and Simmons being soft as always. Not even with much help. Imagine in 2020 having rookies, 3rd year players or 2, maybe only decent players in Crowder, Iguodala, and Dragic but still got to finals and even beating that unbeatable Lakers team with 2 top 5 players (prime Davis) in 2 games with 2 injured main players. Now he was a complete beast and a different breed and was single-handedly carrying the Heat with injured Lowry, Tucker, and Herro while averaging 27.4ppg overall (not to mention, he had 8,6, and 13pts due to his injury), if you take that out, he'll average 30+pts and he's the only player who got four 40+pts games this playoffs with such superb defense and steals and with the conversation only with Michael Jordan. He too was injured yet got 41, 29(didn't even play the 4th quarter, 47, and 35 vs that best defense Celtics. That's a complete beast. It took him Pritchard intentionally pulling his knee to injure and disable him. If this is not superstar to you guys, I don't know anymore.
Since 2020 Jimmy when healthy and playoff ready is easily in the top 10 players rank. So while the Heat are still looking to get one of the top 10 players to come to Miami or get an equally tenacious top 20 player, Jimmy Butler will continue to get buckets and be a force for his team in the playoffs. You had respective fans in the playoffs parrot their primary option talents like Devin Booker, KAT/Ant Edwards, Harden/Embiid, Ja Morant, Trae Young etc. But when the game gets difficult in the playoffs those guys have shown to wilt under pressure. Not Jimmy Buckets.
Bill keeps saying they chose Al Horford over Jimmy. The fact is both Jimmy and Tobias were free agents for the Sixers in 2019. They both signed similar money per year deals. They are both wings. And they didn't already have Harris. Tobias technically signed after Butler. They could have at any time chosen Butler over Harris. Horford made less than both with a declining per year number with the final year not being fully guaranteed.
Not trying to argue talent level or rankings for Jimmy Butler, but I don’t consider Butler a superstar because he doesn’t move the needle on ticket sales. I can’t recall some fan somewhere saying, “I can’t wait till Jimmy comes to town so I can buy a tix the game…” It has never happened to my knowledge thusly negating “superstar” status.
Bulls management failed to see Jimmy as a true Superstar & build a team around him so we shipped him to Minnesota to start the Rebuild then in Minnesota he was there closer & best player (they won games) Minnesota traded him cause he didn’t mesh with their young Star (Towns) Minnesota wasn’t good again until they got another good wing (Ant Edwards). Once he was shipped to Philly they won games he was their Closer not best player per say but again he didn’t mesh well with their young star (Ben Simmons) so he ends up in Miami where everything fits from Style of Play to Coaching Culture & we see how Jimmy is leading them
Butler was their best player comes playoffs though. The only reason Phila didn't get swept(he averaged 22ppg that series while Embiid averaged 17ppg) vs Raptors and almost won that series if not for that 4 bounce shot.
Bill has made this wrong statement on several pods now: Tobias signed his 5 year $180m contract the same offseason (2019) that Jimmy joined the Heat. They were not locked into that contract before, and everyone he tells this to just agrees with him because they don't wanna piss off the boss. Jimmy is most definitely a superstar, even in the blowout last night he balled out. Playoff averages of 30, 8, and 5 with elite defense on a number 1 seed with no other real stars
But the point is they had Tobias and Jimmy the year prior. They could’ve brought back both but instead went for Horford , so they still chose Horford over Jimmy
@@ztlabraptor211 I agree with you, and that would definitely have been the best course of action. But Tobias was an expiring contract that offseason and Horford was not even in the picture at that point, so they could have signed Jimmy and someone else rather than Harris and Horford. I think the thought process was that we just traded for Tobias so we can't let him walk, and Jimmy is an aging star who doesn't get along with the coach or Simmons so we let him go instead. Obviously this was a horrible choice, but it was logical at the time. Bill's argument in this video is not nearly as logical.
He's not. But when you consider the next tier of players, he's at the top of it. Nothing wrong with that. You expect those guys to show up big now and then and Jimmy does that. I just don't see him in the same class as Tatum, Ja, Luka, Joker, Embiid, Giannis, KD, or Steph.
Is JT? 3/14 from the field with 6 TOs @ home. You overthink this star shit. It’s just basketball. In a hypothetical G7, who do you want on your side as lead dog: JT or Jimmy? The answer’s Jimmy
*BRIGHT STAR.* Jimmy Butler should be classified as a *bright star.* The NBA has stars, bright stars and super stars. *Stars* are players like Jrue Holiday, Chris Middleton, Jalen Brown, Zach LaVine, etc. *Bright stars* are players such as Chris Paul, Paul George, Jimmy Butler, Anthony Davis, DeMar DeRozan, etc. *Super stars* include LeBron James, Stephen Curry, Giannis, Kevin Durant, etc.
@@charleskummerer I have no problem with your assessment. I think Sports Commentators make a mistake lumping outstanding players as either Stars or Super Stars. I think there should be a middle tier that highlights players such as Jimmy and PG that are obviously better than casual star players, but are not Super Star players.
Come playoffs Jimmy achieved so much more than those superstars you mentioned. Going toe to toe with Prime Kawhi and Embiid was like averaging 17ppg a game that series so he's not that good before so as Tobias and Simmons being soft as always. Not even with much help. Imagine in 2020 having rookies, 3rd year players or 2, maybe only decent players in Crowder, Iguodala, and Dragic but still got to finals and even beating that unbeatable Lakers team with 2 top 5 players (prime Davis) in 2 games with 2 injured main players. Now he was a complete beast and a different breed and was single-handedly carrying the Heat with injured Lowry, Tucker, and Herro while averaging 27.4ppg overall (not to mention, he had 8,6, and 13pts due to his injury), if you take that out, he'll average 30+pts and he's the only player who got four 40+pts games this playoffs with such superb defense and steals and with the conversation only with Michael Jordan. He too was injured yet got 41, 29(didn't even play the 4th quarter, 47, and 35 vs that best defense Celtics. That's a complete beast. It took him Pritchard intentionally pulling his knee to injure and disable him.
I feel like there are only 6-7 SUPERSTARS in the league any given year. The other guys who are "close" are just All Star caliber guys who will probably never win MVPs but will consistently make all star teams each year. Some guys I think of when I think of "Best players in the League" are Giannis,Embiid,Luka,Jokic,Durant, LeBron,KD, &Ja just off the top of my head. But I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple guys. Tatum is coming,if Booker improves his D and becomes better at getting his teammates involved he could get there. But the other guys in that 2nd tier either can't stay healthy,aren't there yet,or have peaked or are starting to age. Jimmy Butler is in that 2nd tier to me...which isn't a slight.
Going toe to toe with Prime Kawhi and Embiid was like averaging 17ppg a game that series so he's not that good before so as Tobias and Simmons being soft as always. Not even with much help. Imagine in 2020 having rookies, 3rd year players or 2, maybe only decent players in Crowder, Iguodala, and Dragic but still got to finals and even beating that unbeatable Lakers team with 2 top 5 players (prime Davis) in 2 games with 2 injured main players. Now he was a complete beast and a different breed and was single-handedly carrying the Heat with injured Lowry, Tucker, and Herro while averaging 27.4ppg overall (not to mention, he had 8,6, and 13pts due to his injury), if you take that out, he'll average 30+pts and he's the only player who got four 40+pts games this playoffs with such superb defense and steals and with the conversation only with Michael Jordan. He too was injured yet got 41, 29(didn't even play the 4th quarter, 47, and 35 vs that best defense Celtics. That's a complete beast. It took him Pritchard intentionally pulling his knee to injure and disable him.
You obviously didn't really watch him play. Scoring 41, 29(didn't even play the 4th quarter), 47, and 35 and a win vs the best defense Celtics. He only lost due to his knee injury and scored 8(knee injury and didn't play the 2nd half where he elevate his game), 6, and 13 yet he still averaged 27.4ppg overall, imagine if he wasn't injured. Also, he was the only reason the Heat beat the Hawks and Phila with Embiid and Harden.
Watching all of you argue over this is hilarious. The problem is that 'superstar' is a vague, ambiguous term. If no one can agree on what a superstar actually is, it's probably going to be tricky to tell if Jimmy is one.
Yes he is.. He's the Superstar one the Miami Heat.. NBA?.. Y not? ECF 3x.. 2x w/ the Heat & some of his teammates U heard of b4. But they there.. Stars elevate the players around them, right??
Going toe to toe with Prime Kawhi and Embiid was like averaging 17ppg a game that series so he's not that good before so as Tobias and Simmons being soft as always. Not even with much help, only JJ Reddick that series especially their loases. Imagine in 2020 having rookies, 3rd year players or 2, maybe only decent players in Crowder, Iguodala, and Dragic but still got to finals and even beating that unbeatable Lakers team with 2 top 5 players (prime Davis) in 2 games with 2 injured main players. Now he was a complete beast and a different breed and was single-handedly carrying the Heat with injured Lowry, Tucker, and Herro while averaging 27.4ppg overall (not to mention, he had 8,6, and 13pts due to his injury), if you take that out, he'll average 30+pts and he's the only player who got four 40+pts games this playoffs with such superb defense and steals and with the conversation only with Michael Jordan. He too was injured yet got 41, 29(didn't even play the 4th quarter, 47, and 35 vs that best defense Celtics. That's a complete beast. It took him Pritchard intentionally pulling his knee to injure and disable him. This is a superstar. I can't imagine KD, Lebron, Curry, or Giannis do this either. They all got 2 or 3 allstar teammates with good supporting casts.
Jimmy Butler took a team to the Finals that shouldn't have been there. NOBODY wants to play against him in a big game. He's a top tier defender and a top tier offensive player in games that really matter. If he's not a superstar, how is Joell Embiid, who's achieved far less team success and is always injured? Look at Butler's playoff numbers. Realistically, as overall players, I'd take Giannis and Jokic over him, maybe LeBron, but who else at this point? Kawhi hasn't been available consistently for years. Steph is a plus defender but doesn't have this level of two-way impact. Who else is even on his level in this league? Nobody would be a superstar on a team that didn't recognize them as such. Him being traded has more to do with teams undervaluing him than anything else. All the teams that moved on from him made MISTAKES.
Lowry played in at least 2 back to backs this season....Paul also played alot of minutes in a ton of reg season games (except for when he got hurt at the end)....did PHX and MIA not get the memo on "load management?" This is what happens when you play old geezers a ton of min/games during a meaningless reg season....
haha. media guys want their superstars to: look, act and play a certain way. ...and Jimmy doesn't. ...but he gets superstar results. so that's why these media bobbleheads can't ignore him and say they don't know what to do with him 🤣
Butler has never finished top 5 of MVP voting. He has only finished 10th once in MVP voting in 2017-18 and was 11th in 2019-20. Butler. Not a superstar.
@@jonathansykes4986 Clown, you only look at the regular season so as the stats. You even have no idea how he's an MVP when it comes to defense and clutchness. Also was the only player(Phila's main scorer and reason they didn't get swept in 2019 because Embiid only averaged 17ppg a game vs Raptors) who went toe to toe vs a Prime Kawhi and only lost due to a 4 bounce lucky shot and that prime Kawhi eliminated Giannis so as Curry and Thompson. Also, in 2020 he went toe to toe with the superstacked Lakers(Prime Davis and LBJ-2 top 5 players)with 2 injured main players (Dragic who's their best scorer and Bam, their best defender as Butler that time is their best overall and 2 way player so as closer) winning 2 games and getting 2 legendary triple doubles and Miami was the only team to beat that team in 2 games and took it to game 6 and not even the healthy teams in the west did that. Now he averaged 27.4ppg in the playoffs and that's despite his knee injury scoring 8,6, and 13pts, if not for that injury he could've averaged 30+ppg and he was the only player who got 4 40+pts games this playoffs, took the best defensive team Celtics to game 7 too and only lost due to a short 3pt shot. But he scored 41, 29(didn't even play 4th quarter), 47, and 35 vs the Celtics and won. Not even KD fid that as he got swept, not to mention no one averaged 15+ppg and Bam(2nd best player) averaged 14ppg and Herro averaged 12ppg a game that playoffs. Even Oladipo and Lowry was injured but they were terrible too offensively.
i thought the definition of superstar has been established as an nba sstar that their image is bigger than basketball. basketball celebrities if you will
What you don't realize is how weak Jimmy supporting casts are but still a 4 bounce lucky shot from beating the prime Kawhi(plus best defensive Raptors team in a prime Lowry, Siakam, Gasol(was the best defender of Embiid), Ibaka, Green, and Vanvleet in his team, so many veterans) in game 7, he was even the reason Phila didn't get swept and was the best player in the playoffs, he averaged 22ppg vs the raptors while Embiid only averaged 17ppg, Butler even sat most of their landslide wins and was really their closer). So as achieving Finals(2 legendary triple doubles and a win with 2 injured main players in Dragic and Bam, not even one healthy west team did that as they always got swept vs Lakers before as Davis was really in his prime and Lebron was really good too) and ECF right now while averaging 27.4ppg (could've been 30+ppg if not for his knee inflammation scoring 8, 6, and 13pts in those games, Pritchard intentionally injured him either).
Hahaha. Lol. You just described Lebron, KD, Curry, and Tatum because they always had great supporting cast. While Jimmy only had inexperienced Bam & Tyler Herro, Strus, washed up and injured Lowry, Tucker, and Oladipo who just returned from injury. No one from them even averaged 15+ points in the playoffs like Bam averaged 14ppg and Herro averaged 12ppg and they can't win without Jimmy going off.
Honest Question to Bill. Isn’t Harden the same as Jimmy? They didn’t pay him, he went to Houston. He wasn’t a Superstar? He just made top 75. Got MVP of the league. I don’t know. This idea that you can’t be a Superstar because a team trades you, just seem dumb.
I honestly don’t believe that someone should be considered a superstar unless or until they prove that they can be THE best player on a championship team. The only players in today’s NBA that can honestly say that is Giannis, LeBron, KD, Steph (in 2015 before KD) and Kawai. I think Luka, Embiid, Jokic, and Tatum are POTENTIAL superstars. I could definitely be proven wrong about this, but I have had the belief that Jimmy Butler is a #2 talent with a #1 mentality and #1 intangibles. He’s the flipside of Anthony Davis who’s a #1 talent with a #2 mentality.
Jokic is BACK 2 BACK MVP, and plays great in the playoffs...he is superstar... Embiid hasn't done NOTHING, and his stats always drops in the playoffs...he doesn't belong in this conversation.
This narrative about Philly choosing Horford or Tobias Harris is lazy and wrong. Bill Simmons please refer to the Jj Redick podcast where Jimmy Butler clearly said he wasn’t going to resign with the Sixers smh
No he’s not a superstar. You don’t mistaken superstars u either have it or don’t period . If your questioning than in reality they aren’t. However jimmy butler is a top 15 player he’s is in the same realm with pg13.
Of course jimmy is a superstar and so is Kawhi who is on his 3rd team. Guys that can do what those guys do win championships. A healthy kawhi is way better then Tatum.
Put it to you this way, Jimmy Butler is basically a different version of Klay Thompson. A great 2nd option for a team who will always compete on defense. If you put him on the Warriors, aside from the inconsistencies in shooting prowess, Golden State would still be Golden State.
This is just a bad take. Butler can't shoot at all. GSW is the GSW because of both Steph and Klays ability to stretch the floor and play offball. Butler can't play offball at all.
@@sawdum it’s not a perfect analysis. I get it. But, you factor in Steph’s gravity in pulling multiple defenders to him and another strong culture like in Miami, Butler could become just as effective at moving off the ball/increase his shooting percentages. He’d also set some pretty devastating screens for others to succeed on pin downs and then he could even slip thru to the rim off of that type of action.
Superstar as in my gf knows him? No. Superstar as in someone that can impact the game on an elite level? Yes.
That's the hot take.
This is perfect 😂😂😂
How has he impacted the game? He hasn't carried a franchise to the top of the NBA mountain & planted their flag! Ppl call anyone a"superstar"as long as the media says they're one😒.
@@ReverendSam1 2 wins away from his 2nd finals appearance in 3 years when guys like chris paul only got there once and harden has never led a team there. Everything isn’t just “did you win a ring”.
@monte So u hold that"YMCA bubble"in high regard? So a"superstar"is someone who's never been king of the hill? Everyone can't win a🏆& that's why certain titles r reserved for certain players! JB is too inconsistent & everything has been laid out for him by Pat Riley for him to climb the NBA mountain & plant the heat flag......can he do it remains to b seen🤔!
He’s not a superstar talent but he’s definitely made himself into a superstar basketball player all around. There’s nothing he can’t do at a high level anymore.
You sir have made NO sense... Anyone who reads this will immediately get dumber 🤣🤣🤣
He’s a superstar talent. The footwork, iq, skill, and two way ability is pure talent
@@tj-23 Jimmy Butler isn't a superstar TALENT. The word talent means he was born with a certain "it" factor and you could atleast see the greatness from an early age. (KD, Bron, Melo). Jimmy was never that and has developed his skill over time. If he was truly talented he would of been able to do what he's doing now at 22 instead of 32. That's why i specifically said superstar player instead of talent, there's a difference.
@@xblfanatic360 okay, I gotchu
He can do everything but give u consistency! He'll give u 40 one game & then give u 15 the next🙄. He needs a dominate post season run to make a case for"superstardom"....for me.
Having Jimny on your team certainly elevates your teams ceiling to the degree a superstar does
Where does he elevate a team to🤔? He disappeared in the"YMCA bubble"& he's inconsistent, he needs this post season run to a🏆for me to consider him a"superstar"!
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@@AquarianAngel So you're prematurely crowning him 🤔? I worked@the circus 🎪 yrs ago........did u see my act??
Months back Russillo said that he's not a superstar and he's not a Top 10 player and that we were kinda fooled by the Bubble run. And I said it then, and I'll say it now, he is absolutely a superstar. Yes he's been on 4 teams. But there's nothing that speaks more volumes than the fact that every single team he's left has been worse off without them. He's brought success wherever he goes and his Finals performance was one of the most impressive series' ever as a player.
I don think he’s a superstar. He’s a top 15 player but I don’t think he’s the best player on a Championship team.
You can’t judge a supertar by wether or not the team is good after they leave or else next year when nets are better than Philly and better than they were this season, harden wouldn’t a superstar with your criteria. Philly had a second round ceiling with Jimmy and they still do to this day
Chief W well then you’re not thinking deep enough. Just look at the top 3 players on the Heat and the top 3 of Boston. The Heat don’t have enough star power
Ryan Lmao Harden was foul made, and clearly isn’t even an all-star with the new rule change this season. He could barely drop 25pts, Jimmy is putting up 40 bombs and locking dudes up simultaneously. Butler is by far the better player at this point
@@chiefw3573 what 14 guys can say they can’t be the best player on a championship team. Butler has gotten to the finals that way. And he might do it again. Meanwhile jokic, embiid, harden, Kyrie, dame, Ad haven’t lead championship teams or even been to the finals. Bam is the second best player and he hasn’t been acting like a star
I used to look at Butler as an Alpha Level personality with Beta level talent. What I love about Jimmy Butler is that he plays ALOT better in the playoffs than he does in the regular season. Guys like that are hard to come by and I would absolutely trade a prime James Harden for Jimmy Butler.
Philly looks mighty stupid for getting rid of Butler in order to keep Tobias Harris. They had the most success in the last 20 years with Butler.
He’s definitely a SUPER star ⭐️
Jimmy Butler is a superstar but not in the traditional sense of how LeBron and Luka were already labeled as such from the moment they entered the NBA radar. LeBron and Luka had a buzz/hype around them before they went pro and were given the title of "superstar" because of their perceived talents.
Butler, on the other hand, fought and worked for every opportunity he has in his life and was never really handed or given anything. That's why he has the mentality that he does as a basketball player. He might be seen as an "asshole" teammate or that he "only yells and gets on people's nerves" but that's just who he is, a dog that had to claw and fight from the bottom to get to the heights that he has reached. He demands the most and best out of his teammates, doesn't tolerate bullshit, and will keep it real. He was the 30th pick in the 1st round of the 2011 draft and was projected to be nothing more than a role player.
Look at him now and see the work that he's put into his career. So say it with me:
Jimmy Butler is a superstar.
He fought and worked and competes - I can so easily understand someone like Butler "becoming a bit irritated" if your team-mates doesn't take it seriously enough to be competitive.
Jimmy Butler is a superstar
luka was not consensus
He’s got an average all star’s game with a superstar mentality which brings out special performances and stretches but a true superstar will always beat him in the end.
You say that but he knocked out Gianni’s in 2019. How many players in the league can Say they have been the best player on a finals team? It’s less than 10 and Jimmy on that list
Perfectly said
@@Shortballa11 Tony Parker and Chauncey Billups were the best players on teams that made the finals. Were they ever superstars?
@@MrLakerfan2490 Tony Parker was the best player that playoffs, but everyone knows Tim Duncan was always the overall best. The Pistons were one of the anomalies in history. They had 4 evenly spread all stars on that team. Ben Wallace was the only HOF and he barely made it. Jimmy Butler is a guranteed HOF and its not even a question who is the best player and leader of that team by a long shot too
Agree
He's a superstar and BEYOND.
I like this guy with Simmons. Keep up the great work guys
He had to work hard to be named together with the other naturally talented monsters, and he absolutely earned it. I'll take him over Devin Booker every single day of the week.
DBook not even close on the two way impact he provides. Not trying for recency bias here, just saying
Not even in the same conversation of two-way wings. Booker cracked when the Mavs took away his pet plays the spots he works best at. Jimmy will get you a bucket in the playoffs even when he's covered by one of the best defenders in the league. In part it is a detriment because if the Heat's offense stalls, it becomes Jimmy ISO ball as a way for the team to push.
Jimmy Buckets is a tough dude. I think he brings it to wherever he goes
@@T0XiCPeaches facts and D book finished 4th in MVP. Before the series and outcome I was shouting WTF NO way. Booker is a 15-20 player in the NBA top 5 no way
@@sergeynazaro1768 Absolutely! I think his impact ATM is as a peak Bradley Beal: A great number two that needs someone else to take the pressure off of him in the biggest moments
That Philly team with Butler JJ Reddick, Embiid, Simmons, was one of the best teams constructed. Let's face it if not for Kahwis shot and Raptors winning, that Philly team could have won the championship.
Been saying this for a bit one of the best teams no one talks about
People forget, Jimmy hit a clutch layup just before the Kawhi shot to tie the game. Forgotten because of the ending but the Sixers we’re going as far as Jimmy was going to take them. And he ended up showing he ultimately could get a team to the finals when he went to the Heat.
I agree. More likely for that Philly team to win the chip of Kawhi's shot tips out than the Rockets team to win if CP's hammie doesn't give out when they are up 3-2, and that one was close.
They ain't beating the Bucks tho, Embiid and Simmons couldn't guard Giannis for shit
@@kevinowens3774 Yea, Butler was the actual #1 option. Nobody called him that b/c Joel was/is the face of the franchise, but even as Kawhi was getting ready for that last missed free throw, Greg Anthony calling the game on TV was basically like "we shouldn't be surprised if the ball goes to Butler here". Unsurprisingly, it went to Butler and he tied the game.
Lets be honest though him leaving those teams other than the 76ers was him just deciding those players just didnt give as much of a sh*t as he did and him basically destroying the locker room to get out of there and the funny thing is he was right about all of em, the minute he gets with a team as gritty and hard nosed as he is he gets to the finals and is in the ecf 2 of the past 3 years as well as being the 1 seed, lets be honest its sad but mainstream and even some self proclaimed “smart” basketball people would call him a superstar if he averaged 32/7/6 and was out in the first round like a tmac or westbrook which is sad but true
PHI offered him the max and he chose MIA because he thought it was best for his personality. Butler chose someone else, not the other way around like Bill presented
@@abcsorensen They can just watch that JJ Reddick interview with him. He laid it ALL out there. Philly may have 'offered' him but he felt like they didn't really want him. Along with the FO, the staff and coach Bret Brown that he didn't trust. He definitely didn't want to be in a wack dysfunctional situation like the tail end of his Bulls and T-Wolves stints.
@@t4d0W Exactly. Jimmy left them. The didn't "choose Tobias over him" Jimmy likely retires with Miami
Bulls traded him cuz they were rebuilding he never chose Minnesota
I said if he wins a chip this year yes he’ll become one. The heat are an overall great team but he is the man of the ship, he just falls in line and allows his teammates to develop and get theirs. What he’s done in Miami is what the media said bron was gonna do with the lakers when he first got there. Dude is literally winning with role players who were either undrafted, not getting much PT, or from the Gleague. Wherever the dude goes he makes teams better
Surely some of that development of talent goes to Coach Spo, right? They also have guys like Bam and Kerro out of Kentucky and traded for Lowry and Tucker with their championship pedigrees.
The thing that amazes me most about Butler is the difference between regular season and playoffs. I mean, he was a BAD 3 pt shooter in the regular season. Like .233 we don't want you to shoot it bad. Now he's .350 in the playoffs this year.
What I love most about Jimmy he's never selfish or self-centered about letting the team and his teammates shine. That man has been adamant since he left Chicago that he could care less about points and it's moreso about whatever the team needs on that given night. He shrugs off point totals. Which is one of the reasons he doesn't average 25 in the regular season. When he used to worry too much about his points it didn't work out . Jimmy's one of the few players you can actually see having like 15 pts and still being clearly the most valuable player on the court any given game.
Miami is elite at developing undrafted talent!
@@WhelmedButReady exactly right. And that’s unfortunately the reason why people don’t consider him an mvp caliber player or a superstar level player just cuz they don’t see the big scoring output or the outrageous stat line. He’s the ultimate utility guy he can score, rebound, and playmake and do whatever u ask of him and he gets the results as a leader. That’s why if the heat do win this year I’ll consider him a superstar, his impact on teams and on his teammates is what sets him on that path
1:00 obligatory Tatum mention coming really early on this one
There’s not one definition for what qualifies as a superstar. He defends at an elite level. He’s a superstar.
Hi Bill I'm assuming it was a mistake but please make sure you guys put the outro music back in, love those sweet drums along with the piano, perfect closure to your videos. Thanks
Jimmy is a superstar. If your superstar doesn’t perform in the playoffs, what’s the point? As a Heat fan, it’s very reminiscing of Wade as well like how Wade magically starts hitting 3s in the playoffs.
What makes him a"superstar"tho'? U say you're a heat fan, comparing him to dwade is disrespectful! A champion himself & the inspiration of LeBron living up to the"king"moniker! What has JB done to even b in that category?
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He was was the only player(Phila's main scorer and reason they didn't get swept in 2019 because Embiid only averaged 17ppg a game vs Raptors) who went toe to toe vs a Prime Kawhi and only lost due to a 4 bounce lucky shot and that prime Kawhi eliminated Giannis so as Curry and Thompson. Also, in 2020 he went toe to toe with the superstacked Lakers(Prime Davis and LBJ-2 top 5 players)with 2 injured main players (Dragic who's their best scorer and Bam, their best defender as Butler that time is their best overall and 2 way player so as closer) winning 2 games and getting 2 legendary triple doubles and Miami was the only team to beat that team in 2 games and took it to game 6 and not even the healthy teams in the west did that. Now he averaged 27.4ppg in the playoffs and that's despite his knee injury scoring 8,6, and 13pts, if not for that injury he could've averaged 30+ppg and he was the only player who got 4 40+pts games this playoffs, took the best defensive team Celtics to game 7 too and only lost due to a short 3pt shot. But he scored 41, 29(didn't even play 4th quarter), 47, and 35 vs the Celtics and won. Not even KD fid that as he got swept, not to mention no one averaged 15+ppg and Bam(2nd best player) averaged 14ppg and Herro averaged 12ppg a game that playoffs. Even Oladipo and Lowry was injured but they were terrible too offensively.
@@ReverendSam1 you obviously didn't watch him play all this years.
@@SCNE_Forever Who's reading all that🤔or even responding to it? U can't make a point in a couple of sentences? Listen if u like JB cool, but I've seen WWWAAAYYY to much inconsistency......BTW injuries r apart of the game but if u go out & play u erase that excuse!!!!!
I love him because he is just different, homes then raised by a white family, loves country music, is a coffee and wine geek and doesn’t seem to be involved in woke politics. And a great clutch player which is what counts.
Bill simmons is gifted at creating criterias
Butler is Nightwing. He outgrew the Robin role and is a superhero in his own right . But he isn’t the major hero like Batman
You sure? Going toe to toe with Prime Kawhi and Embiid was like averaging 17ppg a game that series so he's not that good before so as Tobias and Simmons being soft as always. Not even with much help. Imagine in 2020 having rookies, 3rd year players or 2, maybe only decent players in Crowder, Iguodala, and Dragic but still got to finals and even beating that unbeatable Lakers team with 2 top 5 players (prime Davis) in 2 games with 2 injured main players. Now he was a complete beast and a different breed and was single-handedly carrying the Heat with injured Lowry, Tucker, and Herro while averaging 27.4ppg overall (not to mention, he had 8,6, and 13pts due to his injury), if you take that out, he'll average 30+pts and he's the only player who got four 40+pts games this playoffs with such superb defense and steals and with the conversation only with Michael Jordan. He too was injured yet got 41, 29(didn't even play the 4th quarter, 47, and 35 vs that best defense Celtics. That's a complete beast. It took him Pritchard intentionally pulling his knee to injure and disable him.
He's not just Batman but a beast in the past 4 years considering his supporting casts.
47/8/9 in game 6. Yea he’s a superstar Bill.
A lot of guys hated MJ but put up with him because he was unquestionably the best player in the league and always gave his teammates the best chance to win, Jimmy treats his teammates the way Jordan did but isn’t near the caliber of player. I respect that he expects his guys to always run thru a wall, and he’s a player I’d want, but I think it hurts his reputation. I’d say he’s the next tier down from “Superstar” but it’s close.
Jimmy Butler was just destined to be an underrated superstar, in terms of production and defense he is as good as Tatum these playoffs, but his regular seasons are never good enough for top 5 mvp votes or scoring titles, his personality has got him traded several times, his overall skill growth was not as fast and flashy as the Lebron, KD, Giannis, Luka etc...and he is only finding success now on the backside of his career
That is so insulting to Tatum...Butler hasn't faced a Giannis or Durant this postseason yet who Tatum has outplayed in Series deciding games
@@Paul_pp Butler faced a healthy ass AD back in 2020 in the finals. And he took to him when AD was playing high quality lockdown defense on him. Giannis may be close but I can tell you Bud does NOT want to put Giannis on him at all times in a series even if he has Middleton. He can put Jrue on him but the results are the same and Butler continues to get at the rim and collects FTAs.
I’m a wolves fan and objectively- yes, he is. He’s been on 4 teams cuz he messes up locker rooms. The Bulls, Wolves, and Philly (to an extent so dysfunctional but, so were the wolves at that point so…)know. He fits perfectly w the heat and I fully believe kids would have his poster on their wall if he wudda been w the Heat since the beginning. Pat Bev is just as hard too deal with… it’s been working great. So yeah, he is.
He fits because Pat Riley don’t play around, and would send him packing to Sacramento in a heartbeat
Jimmy Butler is basically Jordan and Kobe in terms of mindset but the problem is he isn't as good as those two. I've always said being a leader like Jordan has severe limitations, you can't just be good or great, you have to be exceptionally talented, you need to be part of an institution that is willing to put up with you and most importantly you need to be so good that your coworkers also experience huge success with you. In terms of NBA it's winning championships, if an organization knows you can bring a title or get close they'll put up with a Jordan/Kobe/Butler leadership style but if you can't eventually people just stop listening to you. Once Kobe's athleticism declined no one really wanted to come and play for LA despite the fact Kobe had everyone's ultimate respect and during Jordan's years with the Wizards everyone got tired of him and again, that's despite the fact everyone revered him. This is the issue with Butler, he's a great player, he might be good enough to lead a team to a title but he hasn't yet so everyone will deal with his behavior but it's also why he's been traded as teams have decided that as great as he is he's ultimately not that guy. We have Chris Paul and Chris Paul is very similar and he's known to get to his teammates so that's why Paul and Butler have burned through some teams. They're great players, they command respect, they make teams better but when you're constantly in everyone's face and you're not taking them to championships eventually people just get tired of you and decide to move on.
Butler is The Man. Thats all I know.
This is a great conversation. I can’t figure out my thoughts on Jimmy Butler (not that they matter), or for that matter, the definition of a superstar. Right now I’m thinking that superstars need to have the potential to overwhelm a game, to really take it over. I also want a superstar to do shit that is honestly amazing to watch. Giannis, Tatum, Curry, Jokić… They can all do this in very plain and obvious ways, and their best stuff is really, really incredible. And for some reason… Jimmy Butler just doesn’t do that for me. I love his effort, though. The dude works his ass off, and doesn’t quit. And that is also definitely a feature of the superstar in the NBA today.
Jimmy does that in the playoffs. He has a better playoff ceiling than Tatum or Curry. This is a guy who literally went blow for blow with Lebron and outplayed Giannis, Embiid etc...
@@Howdidhenotseeme curry took out AD KD and LeBron in 1 run. Curry’s role isn’t like anyone else in the NBAs u can’t compare raw numbers. Jimmys also bout to get taken out by Tatum
Tatum will be there he's still scratching the surface with his playoff scoring. Outdueling Giannis for a 46 piece in a pivotal game 6 is huge. But Jimmy has dropped 30+ himself since the 2020 playoffs in situations where the Heat had no one really generating buckets. He's the guy doing the work to get buckets to keep the Heat hanging with their defense and hoping a few of the shooters like Herro catch fire by the 4th quarter.
Going toe to toe with Prime Kawhi and Embiid was like averaging 17ppg a game that series so he's not that good before so as Tobias and Simmons being soft as always. Not even with much help. Imagine in 2020 having rookies, 3rd year players or 2, maybe only decent players in Crowder, Iguodala, and Dragic but still got to finals and even beating that unbeatable Lakers team with 2 top 5 players (prime Davis) in 2 games with 2 injured main players. Now he was a complete beast and a different breed and was single-handedly carrying the Heat with injured Lowry, Tucker, and Herro while averaging 27.4ppg overall (not to mention, he had 8,6, and 13pts due to his injury), if you take that out, he'll average 30+pts and he's the only player who got four 40+pts games this playoffs with such superb defense and steals and with the conversation only with Michael Jordan. He too was injured yet got 41, 29(didn't even play the 4th quarter, 47, and 35 vs that best defense Celtics. That's a complete beast. It took him Pritchard intentionally pulling his knee to injure and disable him.
You better watch all his games obviously you only watched those players you mentioned and really don't know Jimmy. Also he took over games offensively and defensively like no other superstars out there does except Kawhi in this prime.
@@t4d0W they don't know that.
If you have the consistent ability to play like a superstar in big moments, you might as well call him one.
The older I get the more I realize that the whole "is ___ a superstar" question is incredibly irrelevant and a little stupid. Star, Superstar.. The better way to determine which players belong on which tier is the top 10, top 20 convo. Jimmy may not check all of the transcendent boxes of flash or dominance that we associate with "superstardom" but he is without a doubt one of the 5 best 2 way players in the game and for sure a top 10 guy..especially in the playoffs.The superstar thing seems too incomplete and juvenile of a description for certain players.
I know a lot of people don't like Bob because he comes off cocky but I love him. He's opinionated and really knows his NBA. Breath of fresh air from all the talking head hot takes on ESPN.
Jimmy Buckets is definitely a superstar,He's over came so much already in his career so far and still keeps getting better ,His mentality is exactly what you want in a basketball player That Mamba mentality 💯✊🏾💪🏿🏀
How many teams has Kyrie been on? Harden been on? KD been on? Westbrook been on? The # of your teams as a gatekeeping mechanism is a dumb criteria. Jimmy broke Minnesota’s playoff streak, went 7 games with the raptors, and reached the finals and almost averaged a triple double.
Its simple he is a playoffs Superstar
These dudes are supposed to be plugged in but don't mention that Butler literally went on JJ's pod and implied it was because of Ben and Brett he left. And that the sixers had no chance of keeping him he was dead set on Miami
Yes he is how is he not he does it all!!
He is...just casual fans wont know him.
I think bills point about whether a team will keep the player isn’t fair and has much more to do with the organization. Respectable ones like the mavs dirk-doncic and Celtics pierce-Tatum will appreciate and cultivate they’re talent while some others might not be able to do the same things with there talent
It depends more if that current FO and team owner are on the same page. Like when Butler was in the T-Wolves he wasn't going to lower his price just to play with Wiggins and KAT who were going to get their rookie max extensions from old ass Glen Taylor. Taylor of course thought it would be better to pay those guys instead as value to create a playoff team than Butler so they lived with the consequences. Took them much longer even with KAT as a second option to become playoff relevant. Meanwhile Butler's been a winner wherever he's gone and he knows his value. If a team isn't built with the flexibility to take advantage of him and stay competitive, there is less incentive for him to be loyal to that org.
HOFer. Not superstar talent. But has willed himself to superstar performances at high stress moments. Amazing!! Plus he brings out the best (wrt toughness) in teammates
He's a Superstar talent and BEYOND.
He is borderline between an all-star and a superstar.
Borderline superstar, that's good!
@@pancon5 I agree. Not many even come close to ben an all star alone.
@@8mathdaddy I think you nailed it with "borderline". I don't think he goes to the Finals this year but if he does, that will be impressive.
@@pancon5 I agree.
To mention his achievements. Going toe to toe with Prime Kawhi and Embiid was like averaging 17ppg a game that series so he's not that good before so as Tobias and Simmons being soft as always. Not even with much help. Imagine in 2020 having rookies, 3rd year players or 2, maybe only decent players in Crowder, Iguodala, and Dragic but still got to finals and even beating that unbeatable Lakers team with 2 top 5 players (prime Davis) in 2 games with 2 injured main players. Now he was a complete beast and a different breed and was single-handedly carrying the Heat with injured Lowry, Tucker, and Herro while averaging 27.4ppg overall (not to mention, he had 8,6, and 13pts due to his injury), if you take that out, he'll average 30+pts and he's the only player who got four 40+pts games this playoffs with such superb defense and steals and with the conversation only with Michael Jordan. He too was injured yet got 41, 29(didn't even play the 4th quarter, 47, and 35 vs that best defense Celtics. That's a complete beast. It took him Pritchard intentionally pulling his knee to injure and disable him.
If this is not superstar to you guys, I don't know anymore.
Since 2020 Jimmy when healthy and playoff ready is easily in the top 10 players rank. So while the Heat are still looking to get one of the top 10 players to come to Miami or get an equally tenacious top 20 player, Jimmy Butler will continue to get buckets and be a force for his team in the playoffs. You had respective fans in the playoffs parrot their primary option talents like Devin Booker, KAT/Ant Edwards, Harden/Embiid, Ja Morant, Trae Young etc. But when the game gets difficult in the playoffs those guys have shown to wilt under pressure. Not Jimmy Buckets.
Facts.
Jimmy Butler is more of a legitimate Superstar than Tatum will ever be
Bill keeps saying they chose Al Horford over Jimmy. The fact is both Jimmy and Tobias were free agents for the Sixers in 2019. They both signed similar money per year deals. They are both wings. And they didn't already have Harris. Tobias technically signed after Butler. They could have at any time chosen Butler over Harris. Horford made less than both with a declining per year number with the final year not being fully guaranteed.
Not trying to argue talent level or rankings for Jimmy Butler, but I don’t consider Butler a superstar because he doesn’t move the needle on ticket sales. I can’t recall some fan somewhere saying, “I can’t wait till Jimmy comes to town so I can buy a tix the game…” It has never happened to my knowledge thusly negating “superstar” status.
Among the 4 teams left he is probably top 5
Jimmy had no desire to stay in Philly, he said it on jjs podcast
Bill has been on record all through the playoffs with Rusillo about how Bam is Miami’s best player. Looking really stupid now.
Bam is not even at all-star level this playoffs while Butler has been elite in every way.
Bulls management failed to see Jimmy as a true Superstar & build a team around him so we shipped him to Minnesota to start the Rebuild then in Minnesota he was there closer & best player (they won games) Minnesota traded him cause he didn’t mesh with their young Star (Towns) Minnesota wasn’t good again until they got another good wing (Ant Edwards). Once he was shipped to Philly they won games he was their Closer not best player per say but again he didn’t mesh well with their young star (Ben Simmons) so he ends up in Miami where everything fits from Style of Play to Coaching Culture & we see how Jimmy is leading them
Exactly . Well said
Butler was their best player comes playoffs though. The only reason Phila didn't get swept(he averaged 22ppg that series while Embiid averaged 17ppg) vs Raptors and almost won that series if not for that 4 bounce shot.
Bill has made this wrong statement on several pods now: Tobias signed his 5 year $180m contract the same offseason (2019) that Jimmy joined the Heat. They were not locked into that contract before, and everyone he tells this to just agrees with him because they don't wanna piss off the boss.
Jimmy is most definitely a superstar, even in the blowout last night he balled out. Playoff averages of 30, 8, and 5 with elite defense on a number 1 seed with no other real stars
But the point is they had Tobias and Jimmy the year prior. They could’ve brought back both but instead went for Horford , so they still chose Horford over Jimmy
@@ztlabraptor211 I agree with you, and that would definitely have been the best course of action. But Tobias was an expiring contract that offseason and Horford was not even in the picture at that point, so they could have signed Jimmy and someone else rather than Harris and Horford.
I think the thought process was that we just traded for Tobias so we can't let him walk, and Jimmy is an aging star who doesn't get along with the coach or Simmons so we let him go instead.
Obviously this was a horrible choice, but it was logical at the time. Bill's argument in this video is not nearly as logical.
Other than Chicago (inept front office) Jimmy requested a trade from Minnesota and he wanted out of Philly by the end of the season…
Media dont cover him enough like that
He's not. But when you consider the next tier of players, he's at the top of it. Nothing wrong with that. You expect those guys to show up big now and then and Jimmy does that.
I just don't see him in the same class as Tatum, Ja, Luka, Joker, Embiid, Giannis, KD, or Steph.
I’d take Ja out of that category for now. He hasn’t had a great playoff run yet, and we need to wait and see on how his body lasts.
Yes Jimmy butler is super star
Butler chose to leave all the teams he left. He didn’t even want to go to Philly in the first place, he wanted to be in Miami.
Boston in 6 Miami actually playing a full and good team
Is JT? 3/14 from the field with 6 TOs @ home. You overthink this star shit. It’s just basketball. In a hypothetical G7, who do you want on your side as lead dog: JT or Jimmy? The answer’s Jimmy
Most importantly, Butler is when it counts. That doesn’t apply to Harden now.
Regular Season Jimmy: Star
Playoff Jimmy: Superstar
*BRIGHT STAR.*
Jimmy Butler should be classified as a *bright star.*
The NBA has stars, bright stars and super stars.
*Stars* are players like Jrue Holiday, Chris Middleton, Jalen Brown, Zach LaVine, etc.
*Bright stars* are players such as Chris Paul, Paul George, Jimmy Butler, Anthony Davis, DeMar DeRozan, etc.
*Super stars* include LeBron James, Stephen Curry, Giannis, Kevin Durant, etc.
Jimmy and PG are so much better than Demar. Plus CP is a shell of his old self, playoffs showed that
@@charleskummerer I have no problem with your assessment. I think Sports Commentators make a mistake lumping outstanding players as either Stars or Super Stars. I think there should be a middle tier that highlights players such as Jimmy and PG that are obviously better than casual star players, but are not Super Star players.
Come playoffs Jimmy achieved so much more than those superstars you mentioned. Going toe to toe with Prime Kawhi and Embiid was like averaging 17ppg a game that series so he's not that good before so as Tobias and Simmons being soft as always. Not even with much help. Imagine in 2020 having rookies, 3rd year players or 2, maybe only decent players in Crowder, Iguodala, and Dragic but still got to finals and even beating that unbeatable Lakers team with 2 top 5 players (prime Davis) in 2 games with 2 injured main players. Now he was a complete beast and a different breed and was single-handedly carrying the Heat with injured Lowry, Tucker, and Herro while averaging 27.4ppg overall (not to mention, he had 8,6, and 13pts due to his injury), if you take that out, he'll average 30+pts and he's the only player who got four 40+pts games this playoffs with such superb defense and steals and with the conversation only with Michael Jordan. He too was injured yet got 41, 29(didn't even play the 4th quarter, 47, and 35 vs that best defense Celtics. That's a complete beast. It took him Pritchard intentionally pulling his knee to injure and disable him.
when it's all said and done he'll be higher on the pyramid than a lot of guys considered superstars
I feel like there are only 6-7 SUPERSTARS in the league any given year. The other guys who are "close" are just All Star caliber guys who will probably never win MVPs but will consistently make all star teams each year.
Some guys I think of when I think of "Best players in the League" are Giannis,Embiid,Luka,Jokic,Durant,
LeBron,KD, &Ja just off the top of my head. But I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple guys. Tatum is coming,if Booker improves his D and becomes better at getting his teammates involved he could get there. But the other guys in that 2nd tier either can't stay healthy,aren't there yet,or have peaked or are starting to age. Jimmy Butler is in that 2nd tier to me...which isn't a slight.
Going toe to toe with Prime Kawhi and Embiid was like averaging 17ppg a game that series so he's not that good before so as Tobias and Simmons being soft as always. Not even with much help. Imagine in 2020 having rookies, 3rd year players or 2, maybe only decent players in Crowder, Iguodala, and Dragic but still got to finals and even beating that unbeatable Lakers team with 2 top 5 players (prime Davis) in 2 games with 2 injured main players. Now he was a complete beast and a different breed and was single-handedly carrying the Heat with injured Lowry, Tucker, and Herro while averaging 27.4ppg overall (not to mention, he had 8,6, and 13pts due to his injury), if you take that out, he'll average 30+pts and he's the only player who got four 40+pts games this playoffs with such superb defense and steals and with the conversation only with Michael Jordan. He too was injured yet got 41, 29(didn't even play the 4th quarter, 47, and 35 vs that best defense Celtics. That's a complete beast. It took him Pritchard intentionally pulling his knee to injure and disable him.
You obviously didn't really watch him play. Scoring 41, 29(didn't even play the 4th quarter), 47, and 35 and a win vs the best defense Celtics. He only lost due to his knee injury and scored 8(knee injury and didn't play the 2nd half where he elevate his game), 6, and 13 yet he still averaged 27.4ppg overall, imagine if he wasn't injured. Also, he was the only reason the Heat beat the Hawks and Phila with Embiid and Harden.
Voulgaris' spirit animal is Jimmy butler. He was basically describing himself
Watching all of you argue over this is hilarious. The problem is that 'superstar' is a vague, ambiguous term. If no one can agree on what a superstar actually is, it's probably going to be tricky to tell if Jimmy is one.
Shaq was on three teams in the same timespan… was he not a superstar? Lol
by the time shaq got to phoenix he wasn’t a superstar anymore
Jimmy a Superstar. Everywhere he go he Win
so did chris webber, but neither is a superstar, both belong in the hall of fame though
@@elai3147 are u crazy C Webb was a superstar the only PF better than him in his time is Tim, Durk n KG
@@PointBlankChiWay that is correct, tim/dirk/kg are superstars, webb is a hair below just like jimmy
Yes he is.. He's the Superstar one the Miami Heat.. NBA?.. Y not? ECF 3x.. 2x w/ the Heat & some of his teammates U heard of b4. But they there.. Stars elevate the players around them, right??
Superstar has always been considered as fandom.
Going toe to toe with Prime Kawhi and Embiid was like averaging 17ppg a game that series so he's not that good before so as Tobias and Simmons being soft as always. Not even with much help, only JJ Reddick that series especially their loases. Imagine in 2020 having rookies, 3rd year players or 2, maybe only decent players in Crowder, Iguodala, and Dragic but still got to finals and even beating that unbeatable Lakers team with 2 top 5 players (prime Davis) in 2 games with 2 injured main players. Now he was a complete beast and a different breed and was single-handedly carrying the Heat with injured Lowry, Tucker, and Herro while averaging 27.4ppg overall (not to mention, he had 8,6, and 13pts due to his injury), if you take that out, he'll average 30+pts and he's the only player who got four 40+pts games this playoffs with such superb defense and steals and with the conversation only with Michael Jordan. He too was injured yet got 41, 29(didn't even play the 4th quarter, 47, and 35 vs that best defense Celtics. That's a complete beast. It took him Pritchard intentionally pulling his knee to injure and disable him.
This is a superstar. I can't imagine KD, Lebron, Curry, or Giannis do this either. They all got 2 or 3 allstar teammates with good supporting casts.
I'd choose a Playoffs Superstar rather than a Regular Season Superstar. And Playoff Butler is definitely a Suoerstar.
People will get on here & say kyrie is a superstar… I mean
Jimmy Butler took a team to the Finals that shouldn't have been there. NOBODY wants to play against him in a big game. He's a top tier defender and a top tier offensive player in games that really matter. If he's not a superstar, how is Joell Embiid, who's achieved far less team success and is always injured? Look at Butler's playoff numbers. Realistically, as overall players, I'd take Giannis and Jokic over him, maybe LeBron, but who else at this point? Kawhi hasn't been available consistently for years. Steph is a plus defender but doesn't have this level of two-way impact. Who else is even on his level in this league? Nobody would be a superstar on a team that didn't recognize them as such. Him being traded has more to do with teams undervaluing him than anything else. All the teams that moved on from him made MISTAKES.
Have Bob on weekly. I could listen to him talk NBA forever.
Lowry played in at least 2 back to backs this season....Paul also played alot of minutes in a ton of reg season games (except for when he got hurt at the end)....did PHX and MIA not get the memo on "load management?" This is what happens when you play old geezers a ton of min/games during a meaningless reg season....
haha. media guys want their superstars to: look, act and play a certain way.
...and Jimmy doesn't.
...but he gets superstar results.
so that's why these media bobbleheads can't ignore him and say they don't know what to do with him 🤣
He was -20 in game 2.
Is that superstar results?
@@CD-gk9ix
so a player can't have a bad game and be a minus?
Steph Curry is a superstar and was a -53 last week vs Memphis
@@richmyrie4162 can you remind me on the accolades which Steph Curry has achieved?
And Jimmy Butlers?
Dude really said Miami has nobody else breaking down players one on one 😂
Tyler Herro is still in Miami last I heard
Yep they had a 21 ppg guy off the bench and a 19/10 center with All defense and play making ability, as well as a 14 and 7 Title winning PG
Idk I say elite all star it’s tough because he score off sheer will. Also he load manages whole season he has unfair advantage
A superstar is one of the best, most elite players. Butler fulfills that so he is a superstar. That one was easy, Bill.
Butler has never finished top 5 of MVP voting. He has only finished 10th once in MVP voting in 2017-18 and was 11th in 2019-20.
Butler. Not a superstar.
@@jonathansykes4986 Clown, you only look at the regular season so as the stats. You even have no idea how he's an MVP when it comes to defense and clutchness.
Also was the only player(Phila's main scorer and reason they didn't get swept in 2019 because Embiid only averaged 17ppg a game vs Raptors) who went toe to toe vs a Prime Kawhi and only lost due to a 4 bounce lucky shot and that prime Kawhi eliminated Giannis so as Curry and Thompson. Also, in 2020 he went toe to toe with the superstacked Lakers(Prime Davis and LBJ-2 top 5 players)with 2 injured main players (Dragic who's their best scorer and Bam, their best defender as Butler that time is their best overall and 2 way player so as closer) winning 2 games and getting 2 legendary triple doubles and Miami was the only team to beat that team in 2 games and took it to game 6 and not even the healthy teams in the west did that. Now he averaged 27.4ppg in the playoffs and that's despite his knee injury scoring 8,6, and 13pts, if not for that injury he could've averaged 30+ppg and he was the only player who got 4 40+pts games this playoffs, took the best defensive team Celtics to game 7 too and only lost due to a short 3pt shot. But he scored 41, 29(didn't even play 4th quarter), 47, and 35 vs the Celtics and won. Not even KD fid that as he got swept, not to mention no one averaged 15+ppg and Bam(2nd best player) averaged 14ppg and Herro averaged 12ppg a game that playoffs. Even Oladipo and Lowry was injured but they were terrible too offensively.
@@jonathansykes4986 you really believe a popularity vote contest?
@@SCNE_Forever Imagine thinking MVP is a popularity vote contest when Nikola Jokic is a 2 time MVP.
@@SCNE_Forever Numbers > Your emotions and feelings.
i thought the definition of superstar has been established as an nba sstar that their image is bigger than basketball. basketball celebrities if you will
I would say no. He's an all star player and probably towards the top of that list but a superstar he has yet to prove.
the superstar tag doesn't suit jimmy butler. he's more of a hired gun, lone wolf, the punisher, caine from kung fu type of dude lol
Hahaha. Yup. Just a pure killer come playoffs.
No warriors podcast after they win huh bill
If he's not a "superstar" Tatum isn't even close to being one.
A superstar is a guy who makes a team an instant title contender once he signs with them such as LeBron James, Kawhi Leonard and Kevin Durant.
What you don't realize is how weak Jimmy supporting casts are but still a 4 bounce lucky shot from beating the prime Kawhi(plus best defensive Raptors team in a prime Lowry, Siakam, Gasol(was the best defender of Embiid), Ibaka, Green, and Vanvleet in his team, so many veterans) in game 7, he was even the reason Phila didn't get swept and was the best player in the playoffs, he averaged 22ppg vs the raptors while Embiid only averaged 17ppg, Butler even sat most of their landslide wins and was really their closer). So as achieving Finals(2 legendary triple doubles and a win with 2 injured main players in Dragic and Bam, not even one healthy west team did that as they always got swept vs Lakers before as Davis was really in his prime and Lebron was really good too) and ECF right now while averaging 27.4ppg (could've been 30+ppg if not for his knee inflammation scoring 8, 6, and 13pts in those games, Pritchard intentionally injured him either).
@@SCNE_Forever And your point is?
Superstar doesn't need a great supporting cast. Star does. Jimmy is a star - not superstar.
Hahaha. Lol. You just described Lebron, KD, Curry, and Tatum because they always had great supporting cast. While Jimmy only had inexperienced Bam & Tyler Herro, Strus, washed up and injured Lowry, Tucker, and Oladipo who just returned from injury. No one from them even averaged 15+ points in the playoffs like Bam averaged 14ppg and Herro averaged 12ppg and they can't win without Jimmy going off.
Butler has stretches of superstar games, but he’s not consistently a superstar.
He’s a notch below.
Jimmy Butler is basically Jayson Tatum. He’s a really good player than can explode out of nowhere and win the game
Honest Question to Bill. Isn’t Harden the same as Jimmy? They didn’t pay him, he went to Houston. He wasn’t a Superstar? He just made top 75. Got MVP of the league. I don’t know. This idea that you can’t be a Superstar because a team trades you, just seem dumb.
In the playoffs, yes, he turns into one at times. His lack of efficiency overall makes him just a star in my book though
He actually has some of the best efficiency in the league. Ppl only say that cuz his 3% is poor. Check his fg and ft tho
So his all-star level of play elevates to superstar level in the playoffs. Isn’t that literally what a SUPERSTAR does?
@Duran Baha hate these nuts nigga
I wanna see him and Colin cowherd do a podcast
Simmons and Colin
Mmm Wilt Chamberlain and Moses Malone, lots of teams. Superstars.
I honestly don’t believe that someone should be considered a superstar unless or until they prove that they can be THE best player on a championship team. The only players in today’s NBA that can honestly say that is Giannis, LeBron, KD, Steph (in 2015 before KD) and Kawai. I think Luka, Embiid, Jokic, and Tatum are POTENTIAL superstars. I could definitely be proven wrong about this, but I have had the belief that Jimmy Butler is a #2 talent with a #1 mentality and #1 intangibles. He’s the flipside of Anthony Davis who’s a #1 talent with a #2 mentality.
Jokic is BACK 2 BACK MVP, and plays great in the playoffs...he is superstar...
Embiid hasn't done NOTHING, and his stats always drops in the playoffs...he doesn't belong in this conversation.
A "superstar" to me needs some level of charisma, on top of the talent. How is that missed from this discussion? (Not saying Jimmy doesn't have that)
This narrative about Philly choosing Horford or Tobias Harris is lazy and wrong. Bill Simmons please refer to the Jj Redick podcast where Jimmy Butler clearly said he wasn’t going to resign with the Sixers smh
Tobias Harris over me?!
That was after he heard the asked “can Jimmy be controlled?”
No one believes that dude all cap, if they brought the super max brink truck his ass would be in Philly
A team can’t win with Jimmy as the best the player? Jimmy gettin 2 games was monster with Bam and Dragic missing games all I’ll say
They can't see his teammates.
Butler was a late bloomer. It throws off his whole career trajectory
? Ben Wallace was a late bloomer soo
@@onehand-yusuf7212 soooooo what are you talking about?
No he’s not a superstar. You don’t mistaken superstars u either have it or don’t period . If your questioning than in reality they aren’t. However jimmy butler is a top 15 player he’s is in the same realm with pg13.
Of course jimmy is a superstar and so is Kawhi who is on his 3rd team. Guys that can do what those guys do win championships. A healthy kawhi is way better then Tatum.
Put it to you this way, Jimmy Butler is basically a different version of Klay Thompson. A great 2nd option for a team who will always compete on defense. If you put him on the Warriors, aside from the inconsistencies in shooting prowess, Golden State would still be Golden State.
This is just a bad take. Butler can't shoot at all. GSW is the GSW because of both Steph and Klays ability to stretch the floor and play offball. Butler can't play offball at all.
@@sawdum it’s not a perfect analysis. I get it. But, you factor in Steph’s gravity in pulling multiple defenders to him and another strong culture like in Miami, Butler could become just as effective at moving off the ball/increase his shooting percentages. He’d also set some pretty devastating screens for others to succeed on pin downs and then he could even slip thru to the rim off of that type of action.
He wasn't "The Man" in Chicago, Minnesota or Philly. Miami is the 1st team where he is the go to guy.
He was absolutely the best player in Chicago and Minnesota.
SS yes